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Bronco Rob
07-09-2009, 09:47 AM
Kyle Orton: Hope? Fully?


Few people remember how good Orton was over his first seven starts last season. He was efficient and in games three through seven threw for at least 199 yards every outing. The Bears lost by three points at Carolina (the second best team in the NFC last year), lost in overtime to Tampa Bay (the Buccaneers scored 10 points in the final 3:11, including a touchdown with seven seconds left, to tie) and lost on a last-second field goal at Atlanta after a heinous decision to squib kick after Orton completed what should have been the game-winning touchdown with 11 seconds left. The Bears were 4-3 with three excruciating losses to good teams, and Orton was a big reason for their success. Remember the great start Jay Cutler had last year? Compare Orton and Cutler through seven games. Denver and Chicago had a bye in Week 8:

A lot of people donít remember Orton performing at that level, including me. One game I recall was his three touchdown game against the Eagles where he duped former safety Brian Dawkins with some clever eye movement. The reason why the first seven games is measured is because Orton injured his ankle after the seventh game. However, Frank Schwab pulled together some interesting statistics that can provide Denver fans hope, hopefully.


Kyle Orton, 2008 through seven games
1,669 yards
10 touchdowns
4 interceptions (5 games without an interception)
143 completions
230 attempts
62.2 completion percentage
7.26 per attempt
4-3 team record


Jay Cutler, 2008 through seven games
1,862 yards
13 touchdowns
7 interceptions (2 games without an interception)
163 completions
254 attempts
64.2 completion percentage
7.33 per attempt
4-3 team record

Cutler and Orton statistically are the same, but statistics can be easily skewed.

Jay Cutler had a superior receivers and offensive line but a terrible defense. Kyle Orton had nearly the opposite. The Bears had a great run defense finishing 5th in the league however they had a atrocious pass defense ranking 30th in the NFL. A better measurement of a defense in my opinion is points allowed during the season and points allowed per game. Chicago was merely average ranking 16th in both categories. The bottom line? Chicagoís defense wasnít consistent enough as they used to be. Therefore Orton wasnít carried by the defense as much as critics would think. (I would say Orton was carried by Matt Forte more than anything else.)

All of this is just wishful thinking. Can Orton translate his early success with a better offensive line, receivers, and coaching staff? Hopefully, but itís just hope. Will the team be better minus one Jay Cutler and plus a Kyle Orton, Robert Ayers, and Alphonso Smith? I really hope so.




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Flex Gunmetal
07-09-2009, 09:53 AM
Dont forget Gods Gift, Knowshon.
Good thread, I wasn't aware how similar the early season was for them.

2KBack
07-09-2009, 09:55 AM
I was looking at stats yesterday, and I didn't realize that Brian Griese had a 400 yard passing day against Chicago.

MagicHef
07-09-2009, 09:59 AM
I like the font.

Bronco Rob
07-09-2009, 10:18 AM
I like the font.




:yayaya:

Doggcow
07-09-2009, 10:18 AM
I like the font.

Yes, yay for standard font

cmhargrove
07-09-2009, 10:20 AM
I don't really have any doubts about this offense - even without Marshall (if it comes to that). We will score points, we will have a good run game.

Have we fixed the defense?

Beantown Bronco
07-09-2009, 10:22 AM
Have we fixed the defense?

Where have you been? They got neutered years ago!

Flex Gunmetal
07-09-2009, 10:29 AM
Where have you been? They got neutered years ago!

ZING!

BroncoMan4ever
07-09-2009, 11:42 AM
Dont forget Gods Gift, Knowshon.
Good thread, I wasn't aware how similar the early season was for them.

at the beginning of last season Cutler and Grossman were playing like the best QBs in the league and were both getting notice for being possible MVP candidates at the end of the season. but the Orton jacked up his ankle(played through the pain, shows he's a tough bastard) and Cutler led a team that basically collapsed.

Bronco Rob
07-09-2009, 03:16 PM
Yes, yay for standard font



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broncofan7
07-09-2009, 05:33 PM
I was looking at stats yesterday, and I didn't realize that Brian Griese had a 400 yard passing day against Chicago.

I'd rather have SOB as our Backup than Simms.........

Broncos4tw
07-09-2009, 05:51 PM
Put it this way:

If Cutler and Orton simply switched teams, would our team suddenly have gotten better? Hell no.

So no, our team isn't magically better because of Orton. It might get better if the holy System actually works as planned. If not, we are pretty much screwed this season, and in the foreseeable future.

NYBronco
07-09-2009, 06:05 PM
Put it this way:

If Cutler and Orton simply switched teams, would our team suddenly have gotten WORSE? Hell no.

So no, our team isn't magically WORSE because of Orton. It might get better if the holy System actually works IF GIVEN TIME TO DEVELOP. If not, we are pretty much CHICKEN LITTLES, and inTO the foreseeable future.

I agree with your post.

Rabb
07-09-2009, 07:06 PM
Put it this way:

If Cutler and Orton simply switched teams, would our team suddenly have gotten better? Hell no.

So no, our team isn't magically better because of Orton. It might get better if the holy System actually works as planned. If not, we are pretty much screwed this season, and in the foreseeable future.

all due respect but what the **** are you talking about?

nobody has said we are better, I think the thread is saying we really aren't that much worse ON OFFENSE

Jesus Christ

kmonty
07-09-2009, 10:36 PM
(In spot-on South Park Saddam Hussein voice): C'mon, guy

http://broncotalk.net/2009/07/kyle-orton-hope-fully/

BroncoBuff
07-09-2009, 10:42 PM
Yes, yay for standard font

. . . . . . . . . . . . arial black

Better w/o bold: arial black

ZONA
07-09-2009, 11:44 PM
Not much longer until we don't have to speculate a billions times about what will happen. Sooner then later, we all will get to see how this team is coming together. Although I will only be judgmental to a certain degree. It takes time to build a good team and it's not going to happen in one offseason.

Taco John
07-10-2009, 12:05 AM
I have always been a believer in the idea that a great offensive line can make an average quarterback look like a stud -- provided that the running game is taking advantage of the blocking. I have hope for this offense because of the offensive line. If Orton manages to take advantage of it, he could quickly become very loved in Denver.

Spider
07-10-2009, 12:12 AM
I knew Orton was better then most claimed ..........
But our defense .........they break my heart every year .......

TonyR
07-10-2009, 05:50 AM
Not that Joe Theismann necessarily knows what he's talking about, in fact perhaps quite the contrary, but reading this (link below) makes me wonder what the reasons are for McD liking Orton more than Campbell who also came with higher draft picks.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/07/09/theismann-thinks-jason-campbell-is-bound-for-the-pro-bowl/

Theismann thinks Jason Campbell is bound for the Pro Bowl
Posted by Mike Florio on July 9, 2009 6:57 PM

"He's got great size, he's got a great arm, he's got a terrific work ethic."

TonyR
07-10-2009, 06:07 AM
I have always been a believer in the idea that a great offensive line can make an average quarterback look like a stud -- provided that the running game is taking advantage of the blocking. I have hope for this offense because of the offensive line. If Orton manages to take advantage of it, he could quickly become very loved in Denver.

I completely agree. Time to throw and a running game can make a mediocre QB look pretty good, and we have good reason to believe we have that situation and that Orton is good enough to get it done under such circumstances.

elsid13
07-10-2009, 06:16 AM
Not that Joe Theismann necessarily knows what he's talking about, in fact perhaps quite the contrary, but reading this (link below) makes me wonder what the reasons are for McD liking Orton more than Campbell who also came with higher draft picks.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/07/09/theismann-thinks-jason-campbell-is-bound-for-the-pro-bowl/

Theismann thinks Jason Campbell is bound for the Pro Bowl
Posted by Mike Florio on July 9, 2009 6:57 PM

"He's got great size, he's got a great arm, he's got a terrific work ethic."

Joe forgot to mention that Campbell freeze like a deer in headlights when the pressure is on, and will only throw to guys that are wide wide open.

TonyR
07-10-2009, 06:24 AM
Joe forgot to mention that Campbell freeze like a deer in headlights when the pressure is on, and will only throw to guys that are wide wide open.

I don't disagree. I like his tool set but not necessarily the whole package. I just think in the right system and situation he could possibly be pretty good.

kamakazi_kal
07-10-2009, 06:51 AM
Now I'm sure I'll get the stats can be made to fit argument but if you look a little closer.....

in the first 7 games

you spot their pass defense as bottom of the league and overall their D as middle of the pack. But, through 7 games that D gave up only 1 game over 24 points. Denvers gave up 4.

In the games the bears won their defense/special teams scored for them sometimes multiple times. That makes no account for turnovers just scores by the defense............ In every loss their defense failed to score.

In 2 of the 3 denver losses Cutler was held under 200 yards with multiple picks. Most of these games were lopsided.


I would say that the Bears Defense had more to do with them winning then QB play ...... and I'm not saying Orton didn't play well .... he did.


I think our running game will be better ..... but our D ..... OI....

elsid13
07-10-2009, 08:16 AM
I don't disagree. I like his tool set but not necessarily the whole package. I just think in the right system and situation he could possibly be pretty good.

Well I guess you going to enjoy cheering for him in the CFL.

Bronco Rob
07-10-2009, 04:28 PM
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