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Hercules Rockefeller
07-04-2009, 02:43 PM
http://www.wkrn.com/Global/story.asp?S=10643916

Former Titan Steve McNair dead
Posted: Jul 04, 2009 1:50 PM MDT
Updated: Jul 04, 2009 2:32 PM MDT
NASHVILLE, Tenn. - Former Tennessee Titans quarterback Steve McNair is dead.

News 2 has confirmed the former Titans star was found shot to death at an apartment complex in north Nashville.

A second person was also found dead.

That person's identity was not immediately known.

No further details were released.

McNair played 13 seasons in the NFL before retiring in April 2008.

He played college football at Alcorn State and was drafted by the Houston Oilers, third overall, in the 1995 NFL Draft.

McNair played 11 seasons with the Titans franchise, leading the team to the Super Bowl in 1999.

He played his final two seasons with the Baltimore Ravens.

McNair was selected to the Pro Bowl three times and was the co-MVP of the league in 2003, sharing the award with Peyton Manning.

He was 36 years old.

bronco_boi_5280
07-04-2009, 02:43 PM
No ESPN or Yahoo or anything yet... just some local Tennessee papers:

http://www.volunteertv.com/sports/headlines/49938177.html
http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=10643962
http://www.dnj.com/article/20090704/NEWS01/90704016/1002/rss

Sacked by Croel
07-04-2009, 02:44 PM
Hope it's not true.

bronco_boi_5280
07-04-2009, 02:44 PM
Yikes @ posting at literally the same time. Sad story.

bronco_boi_5280
07-04-2009, 02:44 PM
It's true. These are legit (local) sites. It's not like it's The Onion or something.

Hercules Rockefeller
07-04-2009, 02:46 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4306275

ESPN now too

Hogan11
07-04-2009, 02:46 PM
Tragic :nono:

footstepsfrom#27
07-04-2009, 02:48 PM
Wow

broncofan7
07-04-2009, 02:49 PM
I wonder if he resided in a home or if he lived in an apartment. If he did not live in an apartment I wonder why he was found in one--- Sad, sad story......

TDmvp
07-04-2009, 02:49 PM
Wow .... very sad...

Florida_Bronco
07-04-2009, 02:51 PM
Wow, that's horrible.

bronco610
07-04-2009, 02:51 PM
Wow !!!! RIP Steve.

Rohirrim
07-04-2009, 02:52 PM
What is this, death week?

Pseudofool
07-04-2009, 02:54 PM
What is this, death week?
Celebrity death week, maybe.

lazarus4444
07-04-2009, 02:55 PM
RIP Steve, holy ****.

Bronco X
07-04-2009, 02:56 PM
Wow, that is shocking... I was always a fan of his. RIP.

telluride
07-04-2009, 03:00 PM
Very, very sad.

atomicbloke
07-04-2009, 03:09 PM
:(

TheDave
07-04-2009, 03:09 PM
WOW, Rough week to be a celebrity... Sad.

boltaneer
07-04-2009, 03:16 PM
:(

cutthemdown
07-04-2009, 03:17 PM
I deleted my thread on this.

But wow another NFL player murdered.

mizzoutigers
07-04-2009, 03:18 PM
terrible, just terrible, without a doubt one of the toughest players in my lifetime

BroncoBuff
07-04-2009, 03:23 PM
That really sucks.

summerdenver
07-04-2009, 03:24 PM
Sad news. RIP Steve.

cousinal11
07-04-2009, 03:27 PM
Always liked the guy, very sad. R.I.P. "Air McNair"

SouthStndJunkie
07-04-2009, 03:36 PM
That is messed up.

maher_tyler
07-04-2009, 03:43 PM
Wow, that is shocking... I was always a fan of his. RIP.

No kidding, always seemed like a pretty good guy! To bad some people are just ****ed in the head and do **** like this..it makes me sick!!

RIP Steve!!!

Ramathorn
07-04-2009, 03:53 PM
Former Tennessee Titans quarterback Steve McNair has been killed, a source has confirmed to ESPN.com.

McNair, 36, suffered a fatal gunshot wound to the head in downtown Nashville, police spokesperson Don Aaron said. A female victim was also found dead. Aaron said the woman has not been identified, pending notification of next of kin.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4306275

The incident happened near 2nd South & Lea Ave in Nashville.

McNair played 13 seasons in the NFL, 11 were with the Titans. He played his final two years with the Baltimore Ravens, retiring after the 2007 season.

"We are saddened and shocked to hear the news of Steve McNair's passing today," Titans owner K.S. "Bud" Adams Jr. said in a statement. "He was one of the finest players to play for our organization and one of the most beloved players by our fans. He played with unquestioned heart and leadership and led us to places that we had never reached, including our only Super Bowl. Our thoughts and prayers are with his family as they deal with his untimely passing."

McNair was picked third overall in the 1995 draft out of Alcorn State by the then Houston Oilers.

hades
07-04-2009, 03:54 PM
Just read that on Yahoo, crazy. RIP Steve.

bronco_boi_5280
07-04-2009, 03:55 PM
Got this from Deadspin, the Twitter of a news reporter doing the story.

At first, the dude reported it was a murder-suicide, the wife killed him then herself. Now they're pulling back that story.

http://twitter.com/darrenrovell1

Ramathorn
07-04-2009, 03:56 PM
What a weird couple of weeks. RIP

BABronco
07-04-2009, 03:56 PM
Got this from Deadspin, the Twitter of a news reporter doing the story.

At first, the dude reported it was a murder-suicide, the wife killed him then herself. Now they're pulling back that story.

http://twitter.com/darrenrovell1

Yeah, according to ESPN she was in Missouri and has been notified.

RIP to one of my favorite non broncos.

maher_tyler
07-04-2009, 03:57 PM
Already a thread about this :thumbsup:

PaintballCLE
07-04-2009, 03:57 PM
probably over some damn broad............LOL

TexanBob
07-04-2009, 04:13 PM
Extremely poor taste, "bleed".

PaintballCLE
07-04-2009, 04:17 PM
Extremely poor taste, "bleed".

really? i was trying to avoid that, without causing any disrespect to mcnair, but still dogging on cutler/young. Sorry if i offended

Cito Pelon
07-04-2009, 04:33 PM
Wow, that's horrible.

WTF.

Gotdamn if these African Americans don't live a life on the edge. It's sad, seen it all my life.

LonghornBronco
07-04-2009, 05:04 PM
Steve McNair was found shot. story and link to follow...

bronco_boi_5280
07-04-2009, 05:05 PM
Orly>?!>!>!!

LonghornBronco
07-04-2009, 05:05 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-mcnairkilled&prov=ap&type=lgns

TheDave
07-04-2009, 05:07 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=81764

Bronco Bob
07-04-2009, 05:08 PM
Mods, need to merge this thread with the other one.

Dukes
07-04-2009, 05:10 PM
RIP Steve. What a shame.

SoCalBronco
07-04-2009, 05:10 PM
WTF is going on these days?

RIP Air McNair. :(

oubronco
07-04-2009, 05:27 PM
RIP what a shame

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9765822/Ex-NFL-QB-McNair-found-shot-to-death-in-condo

Updated: July 4, 2009, 7:22 PM EDT
Former NFL quarterback Steve McNair and a woman were found shot to death Saturday inside a residence in Nashville, police said.


Nashville police spokesman Don Aaron confirmed that authorities were called to a condominium and found McNair and a woman shot to death inside. Aaron said police don't yet know the circumstances of the shootings.

"I don't have any answers for you now as to what's happened, who's responsible," Aaron said.

Aaron said police tentatively have identified the woman but did not release her name.

"There are persons who were around the complex today, visitors, who have been taken to headquarters for questioning, just to see what they know, what they may have seen," Aaron said. "No one is in custody right now."

The condominium where the bodies were found is one that McNair was known to frequent, but police spokeswoman Kristin Mumford could not say whether he was the owner.

Detectives from the police department's centralized homicide unit were on the scene.

McNair played 13 seasons in the NFL and led the Titans within a yard of forcing overtime in the 2000 Super Bowl, which they lost 23-16 to the St. Louis Rams. He also played for the Baltimore Ravens before retiring in April 2008.

"We don't know the details, but it is a terrible tragedy and our hearts go out to the families involved," NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said in a statement.


Steve McNair played 13 NFL seasons. (Chris McGrath / Getty Images)

"We are saddened and shocked to hear the news of Steve McNair's passing today," Titans owner Bud Adams said in a statement. "He was one of the finest players to play for our organization and one of the most beloved players by our fans. He played with unquestioned heart and leadership and led us to places that we had never reached, including our only Super Bowl."

About 50 people crowded just beyond police tape outside the complex in the upscale Rutledge Hill neighborhood, some wearing Titans hats. The condominium is located within walking distance of an area filled with restaurants and nightspots, just a few blocks from the Cumberland River and within view of the Titans' stadium.

McNair began his career in 1995 with the Houston Oilers, who eventually became the Titans, and finished with 31,304 yards passing and 174 touchdowns. McNair played with pain for several years, and the injuries ultimately forced him to retire.

The highlight of his playing time might have been a five-game stretch at the end of the 2002 season when he was so banged up he couldn't practice. McNair started all five games and won them all, leading the Titans to an 11-5 finish and a berth in the AFC championship game for the second time in four seasons.

McNair played all 16 games in 2006, his first season in Baltimore, and guided the Ravens to a 13-3 record. But he injured his groin during the season opener last season and never regained the form that enabled him to earn a berth in four Pro Bowls.

"I am deeply saddened to learn of today's tragic news regarding the death of Steve McNair. He was a player who I admired a great deal," said New England Patriots senior football adviser Floyd Reese, who was GM of the Titans when McNair played there. "He was a tremendous leader and an absolute warrior. He felt like it was his responsibility to lead by working hard every day, no matter what.

"I don't think there was a player who played with him or against him that didn't look up to him and respect him," Reese said. "My heartfelt condolences go out to his family, his friends and the many teammates who loved and admired him."

Titans coach Jeff Fisher was out of the country, taking part in the first NFL-USO coaches tour to Iraq.

Sacked by Croel
07-04-2009, 05:29 PM
Repost, you cum swallowing fagget.

TheDave
07-04-2009, 05:30 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=81764

backup qb
07-04-2009, 05:32 PM
That is too bad. According to Mort, he was very well liked and respected with only some minor legal issues over the years. Only 36, what a shame. RIP.

oubronco
07-04-2009, 05:49 PM
Repost, you cum swallowing fagget.

Blow me I didn't know

oubronco
07-04-2009, 06:01 PM
kiss me, and tell me that you love me I didn't know

what the **** is up with messing with what I really posted

rbackfactory80
07-04-2009, 06:49 PM
Tough SOB. Loved Him. Rip

FireFly
07-04-2009, 07:30 PM
RIP steve

:(

Jason in LA
07-04-2009, 08:05 PM
That's really sad news.

SouthStndJunkie
07-04-2009, 08:47 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/

Female Victim Identified As Sahel Kazemi

In the wake of former Tennessee Titans quarterback Steve McNair's death from multiple gunshot wounds at a downtown Nashville condominium, police have now confirmed the female victim's identity.

According to the Tennessean, the woman's name is Sahel Kazemi.

She's the 20-year-old woman who was charged two days ago with DUI and refusal to take a Breathalyzer.

CNN has reported that the woman killed was McNair's girlfriend.

Meanwhile, law enforcement officials have stated that McNair was shot multiple times while Kazemi died of a single gunshot wound to the head.

A police spokesman said that the medical examiner will be performing autopsies Sunday.

SouthStndJunkie
07-04-2009, 08:47 PM
http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/sahel-kazemi-photos-was-she-mcnairs-girlfriend-24862

SouthStndJunkie
07-04-2009, 08:48 PM
http://www.nashvillepost.com/news/2009/7/4/details_shed_new_light_on_mcnairs_death

Woman in restaurant may have told former Titan he would be a target

While Metro Police has reported that details are sketchy, NashvillePost.com sources say that at approximately 2 a.m. Saturday morning, McNair was celebrating the holidays at the Blue Moon Restaurant near the John C. Tune Airport.

According to the same NashvillePost.com sources, a white woman in her early 20s, around 5-foot-4, approached McNair at the restaurant and accused him of slipping her a “roofie” a year ago.

The woman then told McNair, according to sources, that her boyfriend was going to kill him.

Cito Pelon
07-04-2009, 09:32 PM
So much for enjoying the weekend. It's just a bunch of noise now.

PaintballCLE
07-04-2009, 09:33 PM
interesting.........
The police alerted Mcnair's wife, who was in another state at the time. They later determined the female body to be that of his girlfriend who he frequented with.

case closed..........LOL

oubronco
07-04-2009, 09:39 PM
interesting.........
The olice alerted Mcnair's wife, who was in another state at the time. They later determined the female body to be that of his girlfriend who he frequented with.

case closed..........LOL

sorry don't see anything funny about it

Sacked by Croel
07-04-2009, 09:43 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/

Female Victim Identified As Sahel Kazemi

In the wake of former Tennessee Titans quarterback Steve McNair's death from multiple gunshot wounds at a downtown Nashville condominium, police have now confirmed the female victim's identity.

According to the Tennessean, the woman's name is Sahel Kazemi.

She's the 20-year-old woman who was charged two days ago with DUI and refusal to take a Breathalyzer.

CNN has reported that the woman killed was McNair's girlfriend.

Meanwhile, law enforcement officials have stated that McNair was shot multiple times while Kazemi died of a single gunshot wound to the head.

A police spokesman said that the medical examiner will be performing autopsies Sunday.

What a shame. A waste of a nice Persian snatch.

Popps
07-04-2009, 09:47 PM
:(

Bronco X
07-04-2009, 09:47 PM
sorry don't see anything funny about it

Nor do I. "I bleed orange and blue" needs to seriously consider not posting in this thread since he doesn't seem capable of conjuring up even an once of decency or tact considering the tragedy at hand. (EDIT: just saw post 60... IBO&B is clearly not alone)

Anyway, there's been lots of really bad reporting on this. That reporter with the twitter feed linked earlier should be fired for reporting that his wife killed him and then killed herself, when it turns out his wife was in another state. Hopefully the media gets their act together so McNair's family and fans can at least mourn properly.

(Jae)
07-04-2009, 09:58 PM
McNair's jumpoff (the girl shot)


http://www.myspace.com/462072170






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http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/LSATicket/ks.jpg (http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/LSATicket/ks.jpg)

http://cmsimg.tennessean.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=DN&Date=20090704&Category=SPORTS01&ArtNo=90704013&Ref=AR&MaxW=318&Border=0 (http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?template=zoom&Site=DN&Date=20090704&Category=SPORTS01&ArtNo=90704013&Ref=AR)
McNair, left, Kazemi, right.



http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/LSATicket/sk9.jpg (http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/LSATicket/sk9.jpg)
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/LSATicket/sk8.jpg (http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/LSATicket/sk8.jpg)
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/LSATicket/sk7.jpg (http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/LSATicket/sk7.jpg)
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/LSATicket/sk6.jpg (http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/LSATicket/sk6.jpg)
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/LSATicket/sk5.jpg (http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/LSATicket/sk5.jpg)
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/LSATicket/sk4.jpg (http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/LSATicket/sk4.jpg)

footstepsfrom#27
07-04-2009, 10:00 PM
What a shame. A waste of a nice Persian snatch.
What kind of POS are you? Don't answer...it's a rhetorical question.

PaintballCLE
07-04-2009, 10:03 PM
Nor do I. "I bleed orange and blue" needs to seriously consider not posting in this thread since he doesn't seem capable of conjuring up even an once of decency or tact considering the tragedy at hand. (EDIT: just saw post 60... IBO&B is clearly not alone)

Anyway, there's been lots of really bad reporting on this. That reporter with the twitter feed linked earlier should be fired for reporting that his wife killed him and then killed herself, when it turns out his wife was in another state. Hopefully the media gets their act together so McNair's family and fans can at least mourn properly.

Did broncosforums go under in the last month? The mane used to be a place where people didn't get their panties in a bunch over the stupidest things. Now it seems like everyday someone is bitching and moaning about something.......I want the old mane back!

Hamrob
07-04-2009, 10:04 PM
RIP. Wow...what a great player. I'm really interesed in hearing what went wrong?

gunns
07-04-2009, 10:05 PM
How tragic! It would be nice to get the straight story but regardless he's still dead and way too soon.

Yes some people do need to grow up....post 60 wasn't his first tackless post. First time I've ever felt like reporting someone.

maher_tyler
07-04-2009, 10:23 PM
RIP. Wow...what a great player. I'm really interesed in hearing what went wrong?

Same here!

Looks like murder..who really knows though

Dr. Broncenstein
07-04-2009, 10:35 PM
Same here!

Looks like murder..who really knows though

Yeah.. tough to speculate the possibility of murder when someone dies of multiple gun shot wounds.

bombay
07-04-2009, 11:09 PM
I have always respected Steve McNair.

RIP

Atlas
07-04-2009, 11:11 PM
Got this from Deadspin, the Twitter of a news reporter doing the story.

At first, the dude reported it was a murder-suicide, the wife killed him then herself. Now they're pulling back that story.

http://twitter.com/darrenrovell1

Turns out that McNair was cheating on his wife with this girl. Wonderful, He was killed by his girlfriend, obviously and unstable girlfriend.

Popps
07-04-2009, 11:30 PM
Why do I have the feeling we're going to find out a lot more about this than we all want to know?

RIP Steve. I just wish these circumstances didn't appear as they do.

Dr. Broncenstein
07-04-2009, 11:41 PM
RIP tough guy.

ZONA
07-04-2009, 11:52 PM
I wonder how many of us would walk into a home/apartment and after seeing 2 dead bodies laying there, we leave and DON'T call the police. Instead, we call a friend of one of the dead people instead. Sorry, but what a frickin idiot. Hey loser, news flash, when you see dead bodies, call the police before you call your buddies to go check it out. Phukin moron.

Bronco X
07-04-2009, 11:56 PM
Did broncosforums go under in the last month? The mane used to be a place where people didn't get their panties in a bunch over the stupidest things. Now it seems like everyday someone is b****ing and moaning about something.......I want the old mane back!

If you want to find a place where you can be a classless POS and feel like you're at home, look harder. There's plenty of gutters and sewers around...

footstepsfrom#27
07-04-2009, 11:57 PM
Turns out that McNair was cheating on his wife with this girl. Wonderful, He was killed by his girlfriend, obviously and unstable girlfriend.
What? No...the GF was also killed, but allegedly the BF of another woman he knew might be responsible. Either way two people are dead.

Atlas
07-04-2009, 11:58 PM
When you are 36 years-old and you are cheating on your wife with a 20 year-old bad things can happen. Murder-suicide is just one of them.

PaintballCLE
07-04-2009, 11:58 PM
If you want to find a place where you can be a classless POS and feel like you're at home, look harder. There's plenty of gutters and sewers around...

maybe if someone could tell me what i said that was so wrong..........I could understand where your coming from.....but no one has.

Atlas
07-04-2009, 11:59 PM
What? No...the GF was also killed, but allegedly the BF of another woman he knew might be responsible. Either way two people are dead.

The police said they have no suspects and are not looking for anyone. That means they believe the case was solved once the girl killed herself.

PaintballCLE
07-05-2009, 12:00 AM
The police said they have no suspects and are not looking for anyone. That means they believe the case was solved once the girl killed herself.

but they also said the gun was not near the body...so wouldn't that rule that out?

Atlas
07-05-2009, 12:02 AM
but they also said the gun was not near the body...so wouldn't that rule that out?

oh, I never heard that. Well, other NFL players should take a careful look at this and examiine their own lives.

footstepsfrom#27
07-05-2009, 12:07 AM
The police said they have no suspects and are not looking for anyone. That means they believe the case was solved once the girl killed herself.
OK what's this then...? Maybe there are multiple stories emerging now.
http://www.nashvillepost.com/news/2009/7/4/details_shed_new_light_on_mcnairs_death

Woman in restaurant may have told former Titan he would be a target

While Metro Police has reported that details are sketchy, NashvillePost.com sources say that at approximately 2 a.m. Saturday morning, McNair was celebrating the holidays at the Blue Moon Restaurant near the John C. Tune Airport.

According to the same NashvillePost.com sources, a white woman in her early 20s, around 5-foot-4, approached McNair at the restaurant and accused him of slipping her a “roofie” a year ago.

The woman then told McNair, according to sources, that her boyfriend was going to kill him.

SouthStndJunkie
07-05-2009, 12:16 AM
oh, I never heard that. Well, other NFL players should take a careful look at this and examiine their own lives.

Everyone should, not just NFL players.

Atlas
07-05-2009, 12:53 AM
OK what's this then...? Maybe there are multiple stories emerging now.

I saw that, I'm sure we'll learn the full story by Monday.

SouthStndJunkie
07-05-2009, 01:09 AM
It sounds like the police are pretty sure the chick shot him and then shot herself.

Atlas
07-05-2009, 02:27 AM
It sounds like the police are pretty sure the chick shot him and then shot herself.

That was my impression when they said they weren't pursuing any other leads.

Atlas
07-05-2009, 03:25 AM
Murder/Suicide

Authorities didn't immediately say who was to blame for the killings, but they weren't looking for any suspects.

Police spokesman Don Aaron said McNair's wife, Mechelle, is "very distraught."

"At this juncture, we do not believe she is involved," he said. "Nothing has been ruled out, but as far as actively looking for a suspect tonight, the answer would be no."

Asked whether the shooting was a murder-suicide, Don Aaron, spokesman for the Nashville Metropolitan Police Department, said investigators have not classified the incident yet. He said investigators have not ruled out anything, but added they were not "actively looking at suspects"

Dr. Broncenstein
07-05-2009, 10:00 AM
So the media is reporting this as a probable murder-suicide? This dosen't add up to me. Statistically speaking, females just don't do this sort of thing. I'm not saying it is impossible... but it would be extremely unusual.

footstepsfrom#27
07-05-2009, 10:42 AM
As soon as this kind of thing goes viral it's impossible to tell what's true and what's not...and there appear to be at least two stories now. IF it's a murder suicide, maybe he went there to break things off with her? IF it's someone else involved...who knows how long it will take to get the straight scoop.

Cool Breeze
07-05-2009, 10:42 AM
McNair married Mechelle on June 21, 1997, and had four sons: Steve Junior, Steven, Tyler and Trenton.

It's sad that they lost their dad, especially in this manner.
His strengths on the football field are obvious - off the field less so.

azbroncfan
07-05-2009, 10:54 AM
Same here!

Looks like murder..who really knows though

Going out on a limb huh?

Knuckle Dragger
07-05-2009, 12:51 PM
So the media is reporting this as a probable murder-suicide? This dosen't add up to me. Statistically speaking, females just don't do this sort of thing. I'm not saying it is impossible... but it would be extremely unusual.


Tell Phil Hartman it doesn't happen.

Ironlung
07-05-2009, 01:08 PM
McNair married Mechelle on June 21, 1997, and had four sons: Steve Junior, Steven, Tyler and Trenton.

It's sad that they lost their dad, especially in this manner.
His strengths on the football field are obvious - off the field less so.

he named one son Steve, and the other Steven? Ooookay

24champ
07-05-2009, 02:43 PM
TMZ already got pictures of McNair and the girl.

http://photos.tmz.com/galleries/steve_mcnair_and_sahel_kazemi#46172


http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/stadium.weblogsinc.com/tmz/images/2009/07/0705_steve_mcnair_wm_03_full.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/stadium.weblogsinc.com/tmz/images/2009/07/0705_steve_mcnair_wm_04_full.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/stadium.weblogsinc.com/tmz/images/2009/07/0705_steve_mcnair_wm_01_full.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/stadium.weblogsinc.com/tmz/images/2009/07/0705_steve_mcnair_wm_02_full.jpg

Los Broncos
07-05-2009, 03:09 PM
Very sad, rip.

JCMElway
07-05-2009, 04:16 PM
Suday's Yahoo story:

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP)—Former NFL quarterback Steve McNair’s(notes) shooting death was a homicide, police said Sunday, but authorities stopped short of saying it was a murder-suicide committed by the 20-year-old girlfriend found dead by his side.

McNair, 36, was shot four times, twice in the head, by a semiautomatic pistol, Nashville police spokesman Don Aaron said. The woman, Sahel Kazemi, was killed by a single gunshot wound and the pistol was found under her body, Aaron said.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AunieQG1PkeG_wF2asgiU8xDubYF?slug=ap-mcnairkilled&prov=ap&type=lgns

So, that answers the whole "Where is the gun?" question.

Northman
07-05-2009, 05:14 PM
He was a great football player, such a tragic case.

SouthStndJunkie
07-05-2009, 05:58 PM
I like how they said he was dating Sahel Kazemi.

When you are married, it's called ****ing her, not dating her.

dbfan21
07-06-2009, 06:23 AM
I like how they said he was dating Sahel Kazemi.

When you are married, it's called ****ing her, not dating her.

Exactly! No sense in ignoring the elephant in the room. It's not like he was taking her to dinner and a movie, then giving her a hug on her doorstep at 11:59. He was getting some action behind his wife's back. Such a sad situation.

RIP Steve

Punisher
07-06-2009, 09:29 AM
I wonder if TMZ will have a picture of me when i die....

vancejohnson82
07-06-2009, 09:59 AM
so the consensus seems to be that its tragic but that in some way McNair was putting himself in a situation that COULD have ended like this...I'm just trying to get everyones read on it because the media is completely ignoring the fact that he was doign his whole family wrong

this coudl have ended in so many horrible ways...the wife could have found out and done something irrational, the ex boyfriend of the 20 year old girl could have taken matters into his own hands, or the murder suicide thing could have happened

i just dont understnad what could have gone on that night that brought this about...my theory is that he told her it was goign to be over and she didnt like that idea very much (to say the least)....i just think its so messed up to be out banging a 20 year old broad when you've got kids at home...not that anyone deserves this end but dont mentally push any 20 year old female to the limit like that and mess with her emotions....

sad for everyone involved

Ironlung
07-06-2009, 10:12 AM
RIP. Thats too bad. These type of situations and the growing crime in the town I live in is the reason I always carry a piece. It's like american express, a .45 by the waistline.

Tombstone RJ
07-06-2009, 10:17 AM
Sometimes pussy can be dangerous.

vancejohnson82
07-06-2009, 10:20 AM
RIP. Thats too bad. These type of situations and the growing crime in the town I live in is the reason I always carry a piece. It's like american express, a .45 by the waistline.

thats definintely your constitutional right....

but word is that the gun was McNairs....

Smiling Assassin27
07-06-2009, 10:22 AM
I wonder if Mrs. McNair didn't already know about the relationship. I mean, how could she not be apprised of the photos at TMZ? What reason would a married man and father of 4 have to be out by himself night after night? It seems quite possible that she knew and tolerated the relationship, for what reason I can't say.

bronco militia
07-06-2009, 10:27 AM
I wonder if Mrs. McNair didn't already know about the relationship. I mean, how could she not be apprised of the photos at TMZ? What reason would a married man and father of 4 have to be out by himself night after night? It seems quite possible that she knew and tolerated the relationship, for what reason I can't say.

she signed a prenup?

Tombstone RJ
07-06-2009, 10:28 AM
Sometimes the golden box is a death trap.

Drunk Monkey
07-06-2009, 10:29 AM
I wonder if Mrs. McNair didn't already know about the relationship. I mean, how could she not be apprised of the photos at TMZ? What reason would a married man and father of 4 have to be out by himself night after night? It seems quite possible that she knew and tolerated the relationship, for what reason I can't say.

While it's not conventional it's possible they had an open marriage. The tone from the media is that is was an ongoing relationship that was not on the DL

gyldenlove
07-06-2009, 10:33 AM
she signed a prenup?

That is what I am thinking too, if she had a prenup there is no way she could continue the live to which she has become accustomed after a divorce.

Whoever did this really wanted Mcnair dead, 2 shots to the chest and 2 to the head, they wanted to make sure he was a goner.

Peoples Champ
07-06-2009, 10:33 AM
in tribute to the man, here is my favorite Steve Mcnair Play. This man wanted to win the game so bad, I wish he would have.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z7vvTnlUm8

azbroncfan
07-06-2009, 10:35 AM
What is also tragic is I'll bet there were some other tragic deaths in Nashville at the same time that are getting over looked and not mentioned because of this.

TexanBob
07-06-2009, 11:34 AM
I think there is a cultural attitude about both athletes and African-Americans that women are always available for the taking and only a fool doesn't take the opportunities when they are there. Some like Travis Henry are just virtual Johnny Appleseeds, spreading their seeds all over the landscape.

They're not interested in child support - that's what welfare is for. And the women, sadly, often bed athletes for the bragging rights and the potential jackpot of a future paternity suit. Why work for a living when you can just bang a jock and then get payments for the next 20 years?

Granted, this is not a situation unique to athletes or African-Americans but, culturally, both seem to expect cheating as part of the landscape and many who marry athletes understand deep down that the chances their husband will stay faithful are less than 50%.

We can moralize the situation all we want but that's the reality. Who's going to tell them it's wrong? Not the church. Not all the buttkissers and gladhanders that hang around the athlete. Not the hip hop/rap artists whose misogyny is notorious, both in word and deed.

It is disappointing to see McNair engulfed in this because he has always seemed better than that. But we often know little about the athletes we cheer and what they do when the spotlight isn't on.

vancejohnson82
07-06-2009, 11:45 AM
I think there is a cultural attitude about both athletes and African-Americans that women are always available for the taking and only a fool doesn't take the opportunities when they are there. Some like Travis Henry are just virtual Johnny Appleseeds, spreading their seeds all over the landscape.

They're not interested in child support - that's what welfare is for. And the women, sadly, often bed athletes for the bragging rights and the potential jackpot of a future paternity suit. Why work for a living when you can just bang a jock and then get payments for the next 20 years?

Granted, this is not a situation unique to athletes or African-Americans but, culturally, both seem to expect cheating as part of the landscape and many who marry athletes understand deep down that the chances their husband will stay faithful are less than 50%.

We can moralize the situation all we want but that's the reality. Who's going to tell them it's wrong? Not the church. Not all the buttkissers and gladhanders that hang around the athlete. Not the hip hop/rap artists whose misogyny is notorious, both in word and deed.

It is disappointing to see McNair engulfed in this because he has always seemed better than that. But we often know little about the athletes we cheer and what they do when the spotlight isn't on.


I agree with everything up there 100% except that African Americans are somehow different than any of the white players.....Matt Leinart sort of bucks that trend

although it is rare to hear about an offensive lineman out drinking Henny and grinding women guys like Leinart and Jeremy Shockey are notorious for partying and womanizing

it comes with the territory adn its not just athletes....women are attracted to money and the power that comes with being with someone or around someone with money....hence, why guys have to spend 3 months salary on a ring to "symbolize" how much they love their women...because the first thing every girl does is compare the new ring with her own

vancejohnson82
07-06-2009, 12:24 PM
According to a report, the girl had just purchased a gun....

Garcia Bronco
07-06-2009, 12:37 PM
I've got nothing nice to say about people who cheat on their spouses and children, but I feel compelled to respond. If he was cheating on his wife then he asked for this trouble and got more than he bargained for....Sad.

Rock Chalk
07-06-2009, 02:07 PM
So the media is reporting this as a probable murder-suicide? This dosen't add up to me. Statistically speaking, females just don't do this sort of thing. I'm not saying it is impossible... but it would be extremely unusual.

Statistically, females do it LESS.

But they do do it from time to time.

footstepsfrom#27
07-06-2009, 02:10 PM
I think there is a cultural attitude about both athletes and African-Americans that women are always available for the taking and only a fool doesn't take the opportunities when they are there.
I see this same attitude on this board, repeated dozens of times.
Some like Travis Henry are just virtual Johnny Appleseeds, spreading their seeds all over the landscape.

They're not interested in child support - that's what welfare is for. And the women, sadly, often bed athletes for the bragging rights and the potential jackpot of a future paternity suit. Why work for a living when you can just bang a jock and then get payments for the next 20 years?

Granted, this is not a situation unique to athletes or African-Americans but, culturally, both seem to expect cheating as part of the landscape and many who marry athletes understand deep down that the chances their husband will stay faithful are less than 50%.

We can moralize the situation all we want but that's the reality. Who's going to tell them it's wrong? Not the church. Not all the buttkissers and gladhanders that hang around the athlete. Not the hip hop/rap artists whose misogyny is notorious, both in word and deed.
Let's say for a moment that I agree that there's a bit of truth to what you say...though I would suggest the attitude you refer to is largely rooted in the depths of communities where poverty and despair dominate...white as well as black. Wherever you find people who think they have no hope you find people living for now and ignoring the future. None-the-less I understand your point and I'm not going to take you to task for these comments having racial overtones or suggest there's not some validity to what you're saying. However I take issue with the implied suggestion that nobody is confronting this or standing up to it. Nothing is further from the truth. Do you really think the black community is unaware of this problem and nobody is talking about it or doing anything? Seriously...do you think that? Do you really think the church doesn't talk about this? There aren't tens of thousands of people running non profits or volunteering time and effort either formally or informally to solve the problems that are so deeply rooted in the black community. This particular issue in fact is one of the biggest topics of not just conversation...but in fact of all out CONFRONTATION between black women and black men. Check some blogs on the web...it's literally being discussed everywhere. In fact it so deeply permeates black culture that it's hard not to see it if you bother to look.

Now back to the truth of what you're saying...what should our response be? I suggest we should be talking about how to help fix this problem right in our own backyards first...but are we? How many posts have I read on this board asking "would you hit it?" How many people in here take advantage of the male dominated culture consisting of hundreds of football fans congregating in one spot to spout off about women as the objectification of male sexual priviledge? One idiot even did so on this very thread.

Before we piss in the pond...let's check to see where the lemonade came from first.

TexanBob
07-06-2009, 02:28 PM
I agree with everything up there 100% except that African Americans are somehow different than any of the white players.....Matt Leinart sort of bucks that trend

although it is rare to hear about an offensive lineman out drinking Henny and grinding women guys like Leinart and Jeremy Shockey are notorious for partying and womanizing

Let me be clear. It is in the culture of *both* athletes and African-Americans. Leinart and Shockey fit this group because they are athletes.

it comes with the territory adn its not just athletes....women are attracted to money and the power that comes with being with someone or around someone with money....hence, why guys have to spend 3 months salary on a ring to "symbolize" how much they love their women...because the first thing every girl does is compare the new ring with her own

Yes, it comes with the territory. That's why you have to have greater respect for the guys who stay home with the wife and kids. They're going against the flow of their peers.

TexanBob
07-06-2009, 02:42 PM
However I take issue with the implied suggestion that nobody is confronting this or standing up to it. Nothing is further from the truth. Do you really think the black community is unaware of this problem and nobody is talking about it or doing anything? Seriously...do you think that? Do you really think the church doesn't talk about this? There aren't tens of thousands of people running non profits or volunteering time and effort either formally or informally to solve the problems that are so deeply rooted in the black community. This particular issue in fact is one of the biggest topics of not just conversation...but in fact of all out CONFRONTATION between black women and black men. Check some blogs on the web...it's literally being discussed everywhere. In fact it so deeply permeates black culture that it's hard not to see it if you bother to look.


Then I suppose you can link to such blogs where this confrontation is taking place? Thank you.

I know that people like Bill Cosby occasionally address this and are shouted down. The "culture" reflects what people see in their society and the "culture" in movies, music, literature, etc. is that black males are little short of sexual predators, willing to drop their pants at the first suggestion a woman might accomodate them.

I know there are African-Americans, both liberal and conservative, that have spoken out against this mentality but it doesn't appear to be having much effect, at least not in the way blacks are portrayed to the rest of the world. Not that whites are in any way exempt from the problem either. The sexually suggestive black male is a staple of their movies and music. Is it any wonder that this is then repeated in their society?

It's not about poverty and depression. It's about moral intergrity and positive role models. That's what so disappointing about Steve McNair. He was providing a positive image in so many ways only to find he was a fraud.

gunns
07-06-2009, 02:52 PM
That is what I am thinking too, if she had a prenup there is no way she could continue the live to which she has become accustomed after a divorce.

Whoever did this really wanted Mcnair dead, 2 shots to the chest and 2 to the head, they wanted to make sure he was a goner.

One thing that she has now that she did not have before she married him is 2 boys. And a lot of judges now are figuring child support so that the child does not lose the lifestyle in which they are living. She'd still get plenty.

atomicbloke
07-06-2009, 02:56 PM
Let me be clear. It is in the culture of *both* athletes and African-Americans. Leinart and Shockey fit this group because they are athletes.


Well this kind of behavious is not confined to just athletes and African-Americans.

I have seen many high flying corporate executives do it. Especially those in the hedge fund, investment banking industry. Heck, I have some them taking random women in their firm on business trips, solely for the reason for banging them. There is a culture in these circles that if someone has become successful, their wealth and power entitles them to treat every woman around as a piece of meat, and that is considered a sign of success.

footstepsfrom#27
07-06-2009, 03:10 PM
Then I suppose you can link to such blogs where this confrontation is taking place? Thank you.
Sure; http://blackwomenvote.blogspot.com On the right side of the screen are 42 blogs listed. Some are specifically devoted to black female discussion on these issues and more than likely in most of them you will find a good deal on this topic. The 8 at the bottom are listed as supportive black male opinion. This one: http://bfinterracialmarriage.blogspot.com deals with interracial relationships for black women and you'll find scads of stuff on here about the topic you're referencing....same with this one: http://dateawhiteguy.blogspot.com and here also: http://blackgirlshaven.blogspot.com

All these sites are loaded with both opinion and links to other blogs or websites where these issues are discussed. There are doubtless many more but these I have bookmarked so I suggest scanning Google blogs for whatever else you're looking for.
I know that people like Bill Cosby occasionally address this and are shouted down. The "culture" reflects what people see in their society and the "culture" in movies, music, literature, etc. is that black males are little short of sexual predators, willing to drop their pants at the first suggestion a woman might accomodate them.
Cosby is only the public tip of the iceberg. These issues are constantly being discussed but the mainstream press ignores most of it. As you said..."culture in movies, music, literature, etc"...paints a picture people see, including black people. Whose fault is that? The press has rarely been truthful or accurate on any issue of controversy because of their own motives...profit being the primary driver. The same goes for our entertainment industry.
I know there are African-Americans, both liberal and conservative, that have spoken out against this mentality but it doesn't appear to be having much effect, at least not in the way blacks are portrayed to the rest of the world.
And if you're waiting for that to change...don't hold your breath. That however, is not necessarily indicative of reality on the ground. Go to a poetry slam sometime...you'll be amazed what you hear.
It's not about poverty and depression. It's about moral intergrity and positive role models. That's what so disappointing about Steve McNair. He was providing a positive image in so many ways only to find he was a fraud.
It IS about poverty and depression, and if you spend any real time interacting with these communities you'll rapidly come to that conclusion. "Role models" abound in the black community. They're on every block. They're moms and grandmothers raising kids with backbones of steel and many good black men doing the same. People who assume the pro athlete is or should be the role model are simply adding to the problem, which BTW is true in the white community also. The current reason for this thread is the perfect example.

Meck77
07-06-2009, 03:17 PM
WTF is going on these days?

RIP Air McNair. :(

It's the same story told on any local news station across the country every evening. Nobody seems to care unless they are a celebrity. That is what is sad.

Tombstone RJ
07-06-2009, 03:19 PM
Well this kind of behavious is not confined to just athletes and African-Americans.

I have seen many high flying corporate executives do it. Especially those in the hedge fund, investment banking industry. Heck, I have some them taking random women in their firm on business trips, solely for the reason for banging them. There is a culture in these circles that if someone has become successful, their wealth and power entitles them to treat every woman around as a piece of meat, and that is considered a sign of success.

Why blame the men for this? I takes two to tango and the last time I checked, Tony Montana was correct in how the world operates:

First you get the money
Then you get the power
Then you get the women

I have very little simpathy for women who subject themselves to a man's sexual promiscuity simply because the guy has money. The women are only sleeping with the guy because he DOES have money.

The same highly paid professional athletes who wonder why their lives are so complicated and who always need more money are the same guys who have multiple girl friends plus a wife and kids to support.

Sure, blame the guys for using their money and their power to get laid. But, IMHO it's the women who say "yes" to these guys who deserve just as much blame and who hold just as much responsibility for their actions.

It takes two to tango and all the guys out their cheating on their wifes are doing it with a woman or women who know EXACTLY what is going on.

Kaylore
07-06-2009, 03:21 PM
This is very sad. It's a shame. And I think anyone putting up "Lol" smilies should be banned.

gunns
07-06-2009, 03:30 PM
Now they are reporting that his wife probably did not know about the affair and that the 20 year old bought a gun last week. I'd post them but I'm too lazy right now.

The Moops
07-07-2009, 09:00 PM
We may never know what McNair's relationship was with his wife or how serious he was to leaving her for this 20-year-old psycho, or whether Jason Whitlock's unfair assessment that he was a bad father to his 4 sons simply because he spent time with this woman. We weren't there. We don't know. All we can do is remember McNair for what he did on the field and in the community. And any personal recollection you might have.

My personal recollection of McNair is a great one. I got to meet him in 2000 when I was writing stories for the Redskins. The Titans had just kicked the Skins butt on Monday Night Football. Since it was before 9-11, the lockerrooms were packed. Security let almost any "news" agency in.

I was talking to him about the game when this japanese news crew showed up (seemed more like entertainment folks) and presented both McNair and Eddie George with Kamakazi headbands. McNair graciously accepted the headband and talked with the Japanese folks. He even posed for pictures and high-fived them. Eddie George, on the other hand, refused the headband and hurriedly disappeared into the shower.

When the Japanese crew left, McNair turned to me and apologized for the interruption. I said, "No problem. I'm glad you talked with them" and we continued the interview.

A friend of mine lives in Nashville and said he saw McNair a lot, at little league games, watching one of his sons play, who was the same age as his kid. He said McNair hung out with the parents and was was very cordial and friendly to everyone. Staying late to sign autographs, posing for pictures, etc.

I think Jason Whitlock was too quick to judge McNair as a bad parent because of his relationship. We'll never know the truth, but I will always have a lot of respect for Steve McNair.

footstepsfrom#27
07-07-2009, 09:42 PM
We may never know what McNair's relationship was with his wife or how serious he was to leaving her for this 20-year-old psycho, or whether Jason Whitlock's unfair assessment that he was a bad father to his 4 sons simply because he spent time with this woman. We weren't there. We don't know. All we can do is remember McNair for what he did on the field and in the community. And any personal recollection you might have.

My personal recollection of McNair is a great one. I got to meet him in 2000 when I was writing stories for the Redskins. The Titans had just kicked the Skins butt on Monday Night Football. Since it was before 9-11, the lockerrooms were packed. Security let almost any "news" agency in.

I was talking to him about the game when this japanese news crew showed up (seemed more like entertainment folks) and presented both McNair and Eddie George with Kamakazi headbands. McNair graciously accepted the headband and talked with the Japanese folks. He even posed for pictures and high-fived them. Eddie George, on the other hand, refused the headband and hurriedly disappeared into the shower.

When the Japanese crew left, McNair turned to me and apologized for the interruption. I said, "No problem. I'm glad you talked with them" and we continued the interview.

A friend of mine lives in Nashville and said he saw McNair a lot, at little league games, watching one of his sons play, who was the same age as his kid. He said McNair hung out with the parents and was was very cordial and friendly to everyone. Staying late to sign autographs, posing for pictures, etc.

I think Jason Whitlock was too quick to judge McNair as a bad parent because of his relationship. We'll never know the truth, but I will always have a lot of respect for Steve McNair.
Whatever Jason Whitless said, I take the opposite POV. There's no bigger tool in sports journalism than that bufoon.

watermock
07-07-2009, 10:16 PM
Meh, he dumped her and took a cab. He broke it off, She bought a gun and went mental.

next.

azbroncfan
07-07-2009, 10:50 PM
Meh, he dumped her and took a cab. He broke it off, She bought a gun and went mental.

next.

SHe got into some bad peanut butter first that threw her mental makeup haywire.

The Moops
07-08-2009, 05:06 AM
Don't know much about Whitlock. Seen him at games and can tell he really, really likes food. He probably was a frustrated jock in his day. Always ripping athletes. A few days earlier he was ripping Serena Williams, the sister who WON Wimbledon . . . saying she's not dedicated enough to be the best ever. I mean, she's shown she is a true champion with multiple grandslam wins.

Now he attacks McNair, who obviously can't defend himself.

Hey, Jason . . . go back to enjoying your double-bacon cheeseburger. Leave the writing perspective to someone else!

PaintballCLE
07-08-2009, 05:44 AM
Don't know much about Whitlock. Seen him at games and can tell he really, really likes food. He probably was a frustrated jock in his day. Always ripping athletes. A few days earlier he was ripping Serena Williams, the sister who WON Wimbledon . . . saying she's not dedicated enough to be the best ever. I mean, she's shown she is a true champion with multiple grandslam wins.

Now he attacks McNair, who obviously can't defend himself.

Hey, Jason . . . go back to enjoying your double-bacon cheeseburger. Leave the writing perspective to someone else!

Why do you have to get personal about this? Did the bacon cheeseburger ever do anything to you? :rofl:

TonyR
07-08-2009, 07:05 AM
It looked like an open and shut case but now I'm starting to wonder. Don't rule out the ex-boyfriend just yet.


More Questions Arise Regarding Kazemi's Ex-Boyfriend
Posted by Mike Florio on July 7, 2009 6:52 PM
In the wake of the shooting death of former Titans and Ravens quarterback Steve McNair, we received from many readers a link to a MySpace page containing comments that apparently were posted before the incident, on July 2, 2009 -- and that seemed to indicate that someone planned to kill McNair and his girlfriend, Sahel Kazemi.

The now-deleted account belonged to a person named Jett Jackson, who reportedly is a friend of Kazemi's on-again, off-again boyfriend, Keith Norfleet.

Read the rest here: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/07/07/more-questions-arise-regarding-kazemis-ex-boyfriend/

Bronco X
07-08-2009, 08:29 AM
Well this kind of behavious is not confined to just athletes and African-Americans.

I have seen many high flying corporate executives do it. Especially those in the hedge fund, investment banking industry. Heck, I have some them taking random women in their firm on business trips, solely for the reason for banging them. There is a culture in these circles that if someone has become successful, their wealth and power entitles them to treat every woman around as a piece of meat, and that is considered a sign of success.

Exactly. It's anyone with money. There's really no good spin to put on someone who thinks it's a black thing. As they say, if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and talks like a duck...

In the jet setting corporate world there isn't the media scrutiny, but there is for just about any entertainer or athlete. Should be pretty well known that a good portion of married people with wealth can and will stray.

It's unfortunate if they're not in an open relationship and they are betraying their spouse. But it's nothing to get murdered over, not to the point where any implication he put himself in this situation is valid.

Whatever his personal flaws, McNair's death is a tragic event. For a time let's remember the good things.

Garcia Bronco
07-08-2009, 08:32 AM
Don't know much about Whitlock. Seen him at games and can tell he really, really likes food. He probably was a frustrated jock in his day. Always ripping athletes. A few days earlier he was ripping Serena Williams, the sister who WON Wimbledon . . . saying she's not dedicated enough to be the best ever. I mean, she's shown she is a true champion with multiple grandslam wins.


Just as a matter of point...Williams has never won the grand slam. That would be all 4 major tennis titles in the same season. She has won four in a row, but never in the same season. :)

She's not better than Graf or Martina(Best Ever)

footstepsfrom#27
07-08-2009, 08:42 AM
Don't know much about Whitlock. Seen him at games and can tell he really, really likes food. He probably was a frustrated jock in his day. Always ripping athletes. A few days earlier he was ripping Serena Williams, the sister who WON Wimbledon . . . saying she's not dedicated enough to be the best ever. I mean, she's shown she is a true champion with multiple grandslam wins.

Now he attacks McNair, who obviously can't defend himself.

Hey, Jason . . . go back to enjoying your double-bacon cheeseburger. Leave the writing perspective to someone else!
This will tell you plenty about this dung heap: http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=55232&highlight=jason+whitlock

Popps
07-08-2009, 04:06 PM
Murder/Suicide officially confirmed...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-mcnairkilled&prov=ap&type=lgns

cutthemdown
07-08-2009, 04:27 PM
are there stats on what races have more infidelity? I doubt that is kept well enough to be accurate but maybe.

I do know they have stats showing too many black kids have deadbeat dads that don't help raise them. Honestly without dads around I don't really think you will raise a high % of well adjusted men and women.

Obviously rich athletes of all races have a ton of chances to cheat and it makes it tougher for them then the average man or woman.

I don't think it has anything to do with race, I think that has to do with fame and money and it probably is the same with CEO etc. I mean who do you think can afford 1500 dollar and hour hookers? not the avg worker thats for sure.

Jason in LA
07-08-2009, 05:15 PM
Whatever Jason Whitless said, I take the opposite POV. There's no bigger tool in sports journalism than that bufoon.

I agree 100%.

Popps
07-08-2009, 05:18 PM
Pretty disappointed in McNair, either way. Hope his family finds peace.

521 1N5
07-08-2009, 05:20 PM
I'm only referring to him as "Affair McNair" from now on.

Tombstone RJ
07-08-2009, 05:23 PM
I'm only referring to him as "Affair McNair" from now on.

Love your poster name: 521-1N5 nobody here gets out alive!

Thank you Jim Morrison.

521 1N5
07-08-2009, 05:30 PM
Love your poster name: 521-1N5 nobody here gets out alive!

Thank you Jim Morrison.

You got it! :notworthy