Sarah Palin to Resign as Alaska Governor

[ghwk]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31726640/ns/politics-more_politics/

No reason given except that there is speculation she is doing it to run for President in 2012. I can't imagine that would wpork out that well for her, I winder what else is behind this.

Speculate to your hearts content.

[bronco_boi_5280]

I'd really just like her to do some MILF porn.

Love me some MILFs.

[Atlas]

There is no way she can win the Presidency. She is too divisive, but I'm sure she can make millions on the talk circut. Good for her.

[Atlas]

I'd really just like her to do some MILF porn.

Love me some MILFs.

Another version of DRILL BABY DRILL!!

[ghwk]

There is no way she can win the Presidency. She is too divisive, but I'm sure she can make millions on the talk circut. Good for her.

Just what we need, another half educated pundit espousing an inflammatory opinion. Yaay the masses will be all the better for it.

I think the reason is darker than that. Caught having outdoor sex with a ferret maybe. Or maybe she's into that furby fetish stuff. :thumbs:

[Atlas]

Just what we need, another half educated pundit espousing an inflammatory opinion. Yaay the masses will be all the better for it.

I think the reason is darker than that. Caught having outdoor sex with a ferret maybe. Or maybe she's into that furby fetish stuff. :thumbs:

The more she talks the better it is for the Democrats.

Keep Rush, Palin, Cheney and Newt in the news. I love it. Meanwhile the real Republican canidates are shooting themselves in the foot with their own MILFS!

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[kupesdad]

Just what we need, another half educated pundit espousing an inflammatory opinion. Yaay the masses will be all the better for it.

I think the reason is darker than that. Caught having outdoor sex with a ferret maybe. Or maybe she's into that furby fetish stuff. :thumbs:

She has been run through the ringer both nationally and locally. I would imagine that she is :

1) Preparing to run for a senate seat in 2010
2) She has made a sweet deal in the private sector (television, CEO of large corporation)
3) taking a break before running for POTUS in the next election which will require her to bone up on international issues so she isn't perceived as a pretty face without substance

Go Sarah!!

[Atlas]

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[24champ]

She has been run through the ringer both nationally and locally. I would imagine that she is :

1) Preparing to run for a senate seat in 2010
2) She has made a sweet deal in the private sector (television, CEO of large corporation)
3) taking a break before running for POTUS in the next election which will require her to bone up on international issues so she isn't perceived as a pretty face without substance

Go Sarah!!

It's one or three.

If liberals hate her, then she's good in my book.

[cutthemdown]

Palin, just go away.

[kupesdad]

It's one or three.

If liberals hate her, then she's good in my book.

They're scared of her otherwise they wouldn't hate her so much...East coast liberal women hate her because she is middle class and didn't go to Brown or Wellesly (sp) and their husbands think she's hot.

Her husband is a solid guy and way too normal for the political life. He works for the same company I do. I've only met her once or twice

[Atlas]

I love this song

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[Hogan11]

Letterman broke her Ha!

[Rohirrim]

The woman is a moron. Hopefully, she's dropping out to get deep into religion and taking a vow of silence. ;D

[Atlas]

They're scared of her otherwise they wouldn't hate her so much...East coast liberal women hate her because she is middle class and didn't go to Brown or Wellesly (sp) and their husbands think she's hot.

Her husband is a solid guy and way too normal for the political life. He works for the same company I do. I've only met her once or twice

HAHA THe democrats love Sarah Palin. We love the fact that she is a Republican.

[kupesdad]

HAHA THe democrats love Sarah Palin. We love the fact that she is a Republican.

She's probably happy about it too. Especially with the stellar dems you have...the Clinton's, Nancy Pelosi et al

[24champ]

She's probably happy about it too. Especially with the stellar dems you have...the Clinton's, Nancy Pelosi et al

Dems are doing a stellar job too. The economy is kicking ass. The bailout bill/stimulus packages they rammed down our throat is working real well. ::)

[Rohirrim]

I like the ad that popped up for this thread: Support SARAH PAC. She's got her own pac. I guess this means a run for the presidency. I hope she doesn't accuse Charlie Gibson of "gotcha" politics when he asks her the purpose of a bicameral legislature, or the reason for the separation of governmental powers, or any other question your average high schooler could answer. There is some great political fun in our future. ;D

[ghwk]

Whee! This thread has legs!!! Hilarious!

[kupesdad]

I like the ad that popped up for this thread: Support SARAH PAC. She's got her own pac. I guess this means a run for the presidency. I hope she doesn't accuse Charlie Gibson of "gotcha" politics when he asks her the purpose of a bicameral legislature, or the reason for the separation of governmental powers, or any other question your average high schooler could answer. There is some great political fun in our future. ;D

I know...the media never ambushes people.

[kupesdad]

Whee! This thread has legs!!! Hilarious!

You're a **** stirrer

[Atlas]

She's probably happy about it too. Especially with the stellar dems you have...the Clinton's, Nancy Pelosi et al
If she runs for President and somehow gets the nomination there is no way she would get more than 40% of the vote. She represents the rich, big oil and the ever so shrinking base of the Republican party.

Besides all that she is really dumb. Really. She has a bachelors degree in communications from IDAHO!!

Go watch some videos of what she says. she is dumb. It's funny if a Democrat acted like that they wouldn't be around long. A republican acts like that, The Republican base says they are "down to earth". "One of us"

I don't want the President of the United States to be "One of Us", because I have seen us and most of us aren't too damn bright.

I hope she stays in the public eye for a long time to come.

[kupesdad]

If she runs for President and somehow gets the nomination there is no way she would get more than 40% of the vote. She represents the rich, big oil and the ever so shrinking base of the Republican party.

Besides all that she is really dumb. Really. She has a bachelors degree in communications from IDAHO!!

Go watch some videos of what she says. she is dumb. It's funny if a Democrat acted like that they wouldn't be around long. A republican acts like that, The Republican base says they are "down to earth". "One of us"

I don't want the President of the United States to be "One of Us", because I have seen us and most of us aren't too damn bright.

I hope she stays in the public eye for a long time to come.


She has a bachelors degree in communications from IDAHO!!


Liberal elitests

[ghwk]

You're a **** stirrer

Why thank you kind sir! LOL

[kupesdad]

Why thank you kind sir! LOL

You're welcome:flower:

[Rohirrim]

I know...the media never ambushes people.

Asking Sarah what she thought of the Bush doctrine was hardly an ambush question for somebody running for VP of the U.S.

[Atlas]

She has a bachelors degree in communications from IDAHO!!


Liberal elitests

HAHA no I just expect more from someone aspiring to be President. Maybe a little higher than 20 on the ACT...

[Atlas]

Asking Sarah what she thought of the Bush doctrine was hardly an ambush question for somebody running for VP of the U.S.

Especially since she didn't even know what the Bush doctrine was.

[kupesdad]

Asking Sarah what she thought of the Bush doctrine was hardly an ambush question for somebody running for VP of the U.S.

You're absolutely right it isn't. But don't try taking a moral high ground and defend the media. If there is anything all of us can agree on is the media sucks

[kupesdad]

HAHA no I just expect more from someone aspiring to be President. Maybe a little higher than 20 on the ACT...

Then attack her ACT score or her IQ...I'm sure there are a bunch of people with BA's from Idaho that are more intelligent than either of us

[strafen]

If she runs for President and somehow gets the nomination there is no way she would get more than 40% of the vote. She represents the rich, big oil and the ever so shrinking base of the Republican party.

Besides all that she is really dumb. Really. She has a bachelors degree in communications from IDAHO!!

Go watch some videos of what she says. she is dumb. It's funny if a Democrat acted like that they wouldn't be around long. A republican acts like that, The Republican base says they are "down to earth". "One of us"

I don't want the President of the United States to be "One of Us", because I have seen us and most of us aren't too damn bright.

I hope she stays in the public eye for a long time to come.

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[Hogan11]

Jindal, Sanford and now Palin....all the hopefulls are dropping like flies

[24champ]

HAHA no I just expect more from someone aspiring to be President. Maybe a little higher than 20 on the ACT...

I expect a president not to spend trillions of dollars and run up the deficit, and as a result of his actions the economy continues to take a giant dump.

[Atlas]

Then attack her ACT score or her IQ...I'm sure there are a bunch of people with BA's from Idaho that are more intelligent than either of us


Oh, I'm positive of that, I wouldn't vote for either one of us neither. We aren't qualified!! I wouldn't even think she is qualified to be governor, but if Alaska wants their Governor to have a bachelors degree in communications that is their business, but she is not President material

... ......WTF is a communications degree? Is that like speech class?!?!?!?....

[ghwk]

I expect a president not to spend trillions of dollars and run up the deficit, and as a result of his actions the economy continues to take a giant dump.

I expect a president to not get handed a ****storm like that from a prior administration.

[Atlas]

I expect the President of the U.S. to be the best of the best. Not just someone the does lip service to the party line.

[kupesdad]

Oh, I'm positive of that, I wouldn't vote for either one of us neither. We aren't qualified!! I wouldn't even think she is qualified to be govenor but if Alaska wants their Govenor to have a bachelors degree in communications that is their business, but she iws not President material

... ......WTF is a communications degree? Is that like speech class?!?!?!?....

What made Bill Clinton qualified for the governor of ark. or the presidency.

Remember..Lincoln didn't go to college..I know a lot of stupid ****ers with advanced degrees

[kupesdad]

I expect a president to not get handed a ****storm like that from a prior administration.

Every president gets handed a **** storm of one type or another from his predecessor.

[Rohirrim]

"We've seen a lot of nutty behavior from governors and Republican leaders in the last three months, but this one is at the top of that," said John Weaver, a longtime friend and confidant of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), the party's presidential nominee in 2008 whose selection of Palin catapulted the first-term Alaska governor to national prominence. (WaP)

[Atlas]

What made Bill Clinton qualified for the governor of ark. or the presidency.

Remember..Lincoln didn't go to college..I know a lot of stupid ****ers with advanced degrees


That is idiocy, you better stop now before you embarrass your family. You use Lincoln as an example.... HE didn't go to college...... in 1860!!!!

Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar. He is very smart. HE did Yale Law and also attended Oxford University.

Rhodes Scholar

The Rhodes Scholarships, the oldest international fellowships, were initiated after the death of Cecil Rhodes in 1902, and bring outstanding students from many countries around the world to the University of Oxford. The first American Scholars entered Oxford in 1904.

You can't compare Lincoln, To CLinton, to Sarah Palin!!!! LMAO!!

[kupesdad]

Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar. He is very smart. HE did Yale Law and also attended Oxford University.

And that prepared him to run the country how? Rhodes scholar...that makes up for international experience. Like I said before I know a lot of stupid ****ers with advanced degrees. Clinton didn't know the definition of sex

Please don't go into what a brain trust Clinton is. You've defended yourself pretty well up to this pointROFL!

[ghwk]

Every president gets handed a **** storm of one type or another from his predecessor.

My point was in response to the prior post, which in effect blamed the current state of the economy on Obama which is absurd without any acknowledgment of what was handed off.

And to show I'm not a ***khead you are right, each administration hands something effed up to the next.

[24champ]

Nathan Bieber, 26, who works at Einstein Bros. Bagels in Phoenix, works 28 to 30 hours a week now, down from his previous 37 — a loss of up to $100 weekly. He's canceled his Internet service and deferred payments on student loans six times.

His wife, who is legally blind and works at another Einstein Bros. location, has had her hours slashed from 30 to 15. They rely on her disability pay for rent and the electric bill.

"If it weren't for that," he said, "we'd be homeless."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_economy


Good job Obama!:thumbs:

Your degrees from Harvard, Occidental, Columbia is sure helping these people out. ::)

[Hogan11]

Fox News is in mourning Ha!

[kupesdad]

My point was in response to the prior post, which in effect blamed the current state of the economy on Obama which is absurd without any acknowledgment of what was handed off.

And to show I'm not a ****head you are right, each administration hands something effed up to the next.


I voted for Obama because I thought we neede to change things up a bit. And help ourselves on the world stage so we aren't so hated by everyone.

Only time will tell how that worked out

[Rohirrim]

If she is serious about running for the presidency this is a wrong move. More likely she's had enough of the limelight, her kids are going through some rough stuff, and she has a severely retarded son, so maybe she just thinks it's time to pull out and go back to focusing on her family?

[Atlas]

And that prepared him to run the country how? Rhodes scholar...that makes up for international experience. Like I said before I know a lot of stupid ****ers with advanced degrees. Clinton didn't know the definition of sex

Please don't go into what a brain trust Clinton is. You've defended yourself pretty well up to this pointROFL!

So basically your WHOLE arguement, as lame as it is, is that Clinton was not qualified to be President because he got a Hummer and tried to cover it up, so therefor Palin is qualified?

[Atlas]

If she is serious about running for the presidency this is a wrong move. More likely she's had enough of the limelight, her kids are going through some rough stuff, and she has a severely retarded son, so maybe she just thinks it's time to pull out and go back to focusing on her family?

She is More Jerry Springer than Abraham Lincoln.

[ghwk]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_economy


Good job Obama!:thumbs:

Your degrees from Harvard, Occidental, Columbia is sure helping these people out. ::)

That's as absurd as my saying thanks Bush for putting it all in place to make it happen. Take a larger view would you.

[Atlas]

That's as absurd as my saying thanks Bush for putting it all in place to make it happen. Take a larger view would you.

Obama's been in office for 5 months and this is all his fault. That is rich.

[strafen]

I voted for Obama because I thought we neede to change things up a bit. And help ourselves on the world stage so we aren't so hated by everyone.

Only time will tell how that worked outI'm very sorry to hear that. Your focus should've been your own country well-being
We're hated in the world anyway. Nothing is going to change that is it?
Ask Iran...

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[ghwk]

I voted for Obama because I thought we neede to change things up a bit. And help ourselves on the world stage so we aren't so hated by everyone.

Only time will tell how that worked out

Agreed. And if he ***ks it up he's accountable.

[kupesdad]

So basically your WHOLE arguement, as lame as it is, is that Clinton was not qualified to be President because he got a Hummer and tried to cover it up, so therefor Palin is qualified?

Read my posts...tell me where I said Palin is qualified. My point is just because you went to a good school and got a degree doesn't make you any more than qualified than someone who works their ass off getting real world experience. Education comes from places other than universities

And Clinton committed perjory (sp) don't sugar coat it

[ghwk]

I'm very sorry to hear that. Your focus should've been your own country well-being
We're hated in the world anyway. Nothing is going to change that is it?
Ask Iran...

http://webmail.aol.com/43661/aol/en-us/mail/get-attachment.aspx?uid=1.23455256&folder=OldMail&partId=10&a=187177&z=35316

Oh Geezus asking Iran anything is like asking Limbaugh if he wants Obama to succeed. Get a clue or come up with a better example.

[Pony Boy]

I voted for Obama because I thought we neede to change things up a bit. And help ourselves on the world stage so we aren't so hated by everyone.

Only time will tell how that worked out

Please!!! tell me you your kidding? Hated on the world stage? Lord help us.

[ghwk]

Read my posts...tell me where I said Palin is qualified. My point is just because you went to a good school and got a degree doesn't make you any more than qualified than someone who works their ass off getting real world experience. Education comes from places other than universities

And Clinton committed perjory (sp) don't sugar coat it

Yes, Bush Jr, the Yale grad, immediately comes to mind. Hilarious! And yes Clinton perjured himself and he inhaled too.

[Rohirrim]

Nope. I just watched her speech. She's definitely running for president. Let the whackitude commence! :charge:

(I like how she hinted that those who oppose her views are traitors. Ha! More fun political dialogue. The media will eat this up.)

[kupesdad]

I'm very sorry to hear that. Your focus should've been your own country well-being
We're hated in the world anyway. Nothing is going to change that is it?
Ask Iran...

http://webmail.aol.com/43661/aol/en-us/mail/get-attachment.aspx?uid=1.23455256&folder=OldMail&partId=10&a=187177&z=35316

Actually I'm concerned about the well being of the WORLD and being a good global citizen is part of that. And yes we can change how other people perceive us.

[strafen]

Oh Geezus asking Iran anything is like asking Limbaugh if he wants Obama to succeed. Get a clue or come up with a better example.

That's a great example. The point I was making is, that no matter who our president is, places like Iran will not stop hating us
Is it dumbed down enough for you to get it?

[ghwk]

Please!!! tell me you your kidding? Hated on the world stage? Lord help us.

Criminy, now I'm arguing to support Kupes dad, what an odd twist here. What planet were you on in terms of how the world viewed us by the time Bush left?

[Broncojef]

truth is Palin was the only thing on the ballot last year that was different in any way from the crap they marched out in front of us. Biden, Obama, McCain...what a choice. She ran a State and shook things up for the better. The media took great pleasure in trying to convince everyone how dumb she was in fear Obama wouldn't get the nomination. If any of us ran tomorrow and the media had it in for you how long would you last? Everyone was so up in arms about her having no experience so instead we voted in office a guy with even less experience hiding behind the catch phrase hope and change while delivering no details and now running our economy and country into the ground. Palin may have been the only person on the ticket to deliver the real change we needed and she never had a chance.

[kupesdad]

Criminy, now I'm arguing to support Kupes dad, what an odd twist here. What planet were you on in terms of how the world viewed us by the time Bush left?

I'm not worried about Iran...I'm worried about our traditional allies and all of the countries that look up to America for our ideals.

[kupesdad]

truth is Palin was the only thing on the ballot last year that was different in any way from the crap they marched out in front of us. Biden, Obama, McCain...what a choice. She ran a State and shook things up for the better. The media took great pleasure in trying to convince everyone how dumb she was in fear Obama wouldn't get the nomination. If any of us ran tomorrow and the media had it in for you how long would you last? Everyone was so up in arms about her having no experience so instead we voted in office a guy with even less experience hiding behind the catch phrase hope and change while delivering no details and now running our economy and country into the ground. Palin may have been the only person on the ticket to deliver the real change we needed and she never had a chance.

rep

[ghwk]

truth is Palin was the only thing on the ballot last year that was different in any way from the crap they marched out in front of us. Biden, Obama, McCain...what a choice. She ran a State and shook things up for the better. The media took great pleasure in trying to convince everyone how dumb she was in fear Obama wouldn't get the nomination. If any of us ran tomorrow and the media had it in for you how long would you last? Everyone was so up in arms about her having no experience so instead we voted in office a guy with even less experience hiding behind the catch phrase hope and change while delivering no details and now running our economy and country into the ground. Palin may have been the only person on the ticket to deliver the real change we needed and she never had a chance.

So let me sum this up. In short YOU thought she was qualified to be President.
We are doomed as a nation.

[Broncojef]

Actually I'm concerned about the well being of the WORLD and being a good global citizen is part of that. And yes we can change how other people perceive us.

Good grief.

[Broncojef]

So let me sum this up. In short YOU thought she was qualified to be President.
We are doomed as a nation.

She was more qualified than the crap we have now. If you believe in obnoxious taxation, global energy policies that hamstring business and spending that is out of control I guess you can stand behind the current administration. The only thing I disliked about Palin was she was teamed with McCain who is just a hair lass socialistic than Obama with no charisma.

[ghwk]

I'm not worried about Iran...I'm worried about our traditional allies and all of the countries that look up to America for our ideals.

I'm not worried about Iran either--at least not in the context of whether or not I value their opinion towards us as a world partner. Not until Ahmadinejad is gone at least. I'm worried as hell about them from the standpoint of developing nukes, further destabilizing the middle east, and especially right now their support of insurgents and weapons into Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

[kupesdad]

Good grief.

make too much sense for you?

[Atlas]

Read my posts...tell me where I said Palin is qualified. My point is just because you went to a good school and got a degree doesn't make you any more than qualified than someone who works their ass off getting real world experience. Education comes from places other than universities

And Clinton committed perjory (sp) don't sugar coat it

Clinton lied about a hummer, yes. That doesn't make him a bad President. You said one of the reasons you voted for Obama because of World Opinion. The World Loves Clinton, He saved millions of people when he went into Yugoslavia, The Unemplyement rate was at 4.9% and WE HAD A BALANCED BUDGET..... All of this was ruined by two terms of GW administration.

There are big differences between Republicans and democrats... and I can safely say that I might not ever vote for Republican until they change their platform. That being said there are Republicans that Are qualified to be President. Palin isn't one of them. It's not JUST that she has a bachelor's degree in communications.... Go watch her interviews. She is stupid and not smart enough to handle the position.

[sirhcyennek81]

I think Palin has political talent, but she was asked too soon and without enough preparation to be a national political figure. I wish her luck in the future with whatever she chooses to do.

:Broncos:

[kupesdad]

I'm not worried about Iran either--at least not in the context of whether or not I value their opinion towards us as a world partner. Not until Ahmadinejad is gone at least. I'm worried as hell about them from the standpoint of developing nukes, further destabilizing the middle east, and especially right now their support of insurgents and weapons into Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

And North Korea?
And a revitalized Russia
And China

We are surrounded boys, thank goodness for England and Israel

[ghwk]

She was more qualified than the crap we have now. If you believe in obnoxious taxation, global energy policies that hamstring business and spending that is out of control I guess you can stand behind the current administration. The only thing I disliked about Palin was she was teamed with McCain who is just a hair lass socialistic than Obama with no charisma.

To quote you "Good Grief".

[Broncojef]

make too much sense for you?

I just could care less what Iran or any other one of these moron countries thinks about us. Obama beat McCain because he was seen as being more in touch domestically and now that he's in office he is doing anything he can to deepen our depression and has a foriegn policy that is pissing off our allies while at the same time trying to befriend idiots that want our country destroyed.

[ghwk]

And North Korea?
And a revitalized Russia
And China

We are surrounded boys, thank goodness for England and Israel

Good adds, yes I am worried about them as well.

[Pony Boy]

Criminy, now I'm arguing to support Kupes dad, what an odd twist here. What planet were you on in terms of how the world viewed us by the time Bush left?

Oh, I just kind of remember what it was like when Jimmy Carter wanted to be the nice guy and we got sand kicked in our face all over the world. I don't guess you remember the pictures of the hostages on the tube everyday.

Jimmy Carter wanted to make friends with all the world leaders.

[kupesdad]

I just could care less what Iran or any other one of these moron countries thinks about us. Obama beat McCain because he was seen as being more in touch domestically and now that he's in office he is doing anything he can to deepen our depression and has a foriegn policy that is pissing off our allies while at the same time trying to befriend idiots that want our country destroyed.

Our allies have been pissed off for 5 years...wake up

[sirhcyennek81]

Our allies have been pissed off for 5 years...wake up


We wont meddle in Iranian affairs, because ya know thats wrong. But Israeli or Honduran affairs, thats more than ok.

:Broncos:

[kupesdad]

We wont meddle in Iranian affairs, because ya know thats wrong. But Israeli or Honduran affairs, thats more than ok.

:Broncos:

WTF???

[Pony Boy]

Good grief.

:thumbsup:

[JJJ]

The more she talks the better it is for the Democrats.

Keep Rush, Palin, Cheney and Newt in the news. I love it. Meanwhile the real Republican canidates are shooting themselves in the foot with their own MILFS!

http://blog.theavclub.tv/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/atomic-bomb.jpg

Your candidate is shooting himself in the foot by systematiclly dimantling and destroying the fundamental foundations of the greatest economy on earth.

5 months in and it is clear this President is willing to risk the entire future of this country on half baked 3AM plans and faulty ideals. If his plans for the economy are as well thought out as his plan for Guantanimo we have real issues.

As long as Obama is willing to take responsibility for the wasteland he will have created by 2012 then I am happy. But of course we know he won't. I am sure the word inherented will still be quite in vogue in 2012.

I believe history will go down to show this president is simply the largest destroyer of wealth to ever walk the planet.

[ghwk]

Oh, I just kind of remember what it was like when Jimmy Carter wanted to be the nice guy and we got sand kicked in our face all over the world. I don't guess you remember the pictures of the hostages on the tube everyday.

Jimmy Carter wanted to make friends with all the world leaders.

I remember it well. But if your point is that Carter = Obama somehow, then other than trying to improve relations with other countries what is your point? You think we came out that much ahead with Bush jr's approach? Iran would have taken hostages with Bush in place as well if they had the chance. We just aren't there with an embassy supporting the Shah any more.

[sirhcyennek81]

WTF???


Sorry, did you miss the obvious hypocrisy of the Obama administration to respect the soverignty of an enemy, but is more than willing to dictate to allies how to run themselves?

:Broncos:

[Atlas]

Your candidate is shooting himself in the foot by systematiclly dimantling and destroying the fundamental foundations of the greatest economy on earth.

5 months in and it is clear this President is willing to risk the entire future of this country on half baked 3AM plans and faulty ideals. If his plans for the economy are as well thought out as his plan for Guantanimo we have real issues.

As long as Obama is willing to take responsibility for the wasteland he will have created by 2012 then I am happy. But of course we know he won't. I am sure the word inherented will still be quite in vogue in 2012.

I believe history will go down to show this president is simply the largest destroyer of wealth to ever walk the planet.

He has been in office 5 months. ALL these Problems... EVERYONE of them was not his fault.

We'll see how it all works out. By the time the 2010 elections roll around we'll see how he has doing.

[Broncojef]

To quote you "Good Grief".

Well the good news for you is your boy is in charge for the next four years...so enjoy that. He called Bush spending out of control and non sustainable when he ran for president and promptly spent more money in 3 months than Bush did in 8 years (wars included). If Obama didn't have the media in his corner at every turn people right now would be more up in arms than the Bush presidency. The nice thing is you have the fascist Obama running things, the far left in charge of Congress and all left wing ideas are being rammed through the legislative process without people reading bailoutbills because its just so damn time critical and the far left wing nuts of society are being reward for getting Barry elected. If you think anything good will come out of this good luck with that...in four years lets have the conversation of just how qualified Barry was.

[sirhcyennek81]

He has been in office 5 months. ALL these Problems... EVERYONE of them was not his fault.

We'll see how it all works out. By the time the 2010 elections roll around we'll see how he has doing.


A trillion dollar spending deficit in less than half the fiscal year is not Obamas fault? Adding close to 4 trillion dollars to our national debt in the same time frame is not his fault either? What does this president do if none of these economic and social policies are his fault?

:Broncos:

[24champ]

He called Bush spending out of control and non sustainable when he ran for president and promptly spent more money in 3 months than Bush did in 8 years (wars included).

Print and borrow from Chinese like there's no tomorrow.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

We wont meddle in Iranian affairs, because ya know thats wrong. But Israeli or Honduran affairs, thats more than ok.

:Broncos:

You never know what youre talking about. Consistently

[kupesdad]

Sorry, did you miss the obvious hypocrisy of the Obama administration to respect the soverignty of an enemy, but is more than willing to dictate to allies how to run themselves?

:Broncos:

Did you want him to attack Iran so we can fight a war on another front

[sirhcyennek81]

Print and borrow from Chinese like there's no tomorrow.


This will harm the chinese economy as well. Inflation and loss of value of the American dollar will make this recession far, far worse. But hey, its not the great O's fault.


:Broncos:

[Atlas]

A trillion dollar spending deficit in less than half the fiscal year is not Obamas fault? Adding close to 4 trillion dollars to our national debt in the same time frame is not his fault either? What does this president do if none of these economic and social policies are his fault?

:Broncos:

Yes, that is his reaction to what GW and the Republican Congress did to the country. It will take time to see if the Trillion dollar spending helped fix the problem they created.

If it doesn't help and hurts than he will be faulted, that judgment of course is still out.

[ghwk]

Well the good news for you is your boy is in charge for the next four years...so enjoy that. He called Bush spending out of control and non sustainable when he ran for president and promptly spent more money in 3 months than Bush did in 8 years (wars included). If Obama didn't have the media in his corner at every turn people right now would be more up in arms than the Bush presidency. The nice thing is you have the fascist Obama running things, the far left in charge of Congress and all left wing ideas are being rammed through the legislative process without people reading bailoutbills because its just so damn time critical and the far left wing nuts of society are being reward for getting Barry elected. If you think anything good will come out of this good luck with that...in four years lets have the conversation of just how qualified Barry was.

You had the whole frigging govt. for 8 years as a majority and all you see is the last 5 months with no sense whatsoever of how we got here, (and yes both parties were involved in that) but think about that. The republican majority could have created just about any vision of America they wanted to. Oh wait, they pretty much did along with some Democrat money whores. That is what got handed off and all you see is 5 months under an administration you clearly hate. I'm just speechless, talk about a rush to judgment.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

A trillion dollar spending deficit in less than half the fiscal year is not Obamas fault? Adding close to 4 trillion dollars to our national debt in the same time frame is not his fault either? What does this president do if none of these economic and social policies are his fault?

:Broncos:

You really don't know much about depression-esque economics that require spending to get the job market moving again. Most of the stimulus money hasnt even been sent out yet. People are forgetting that for long before Obama was president, it was forecasted that we wouldnt hit rockbottom till fall 2009.

[frerottenextelway]

Rumor is Palin said behind the scenes she isn't running in 2012.

Possible skeletons discovered by Romney camp?

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Rumor is Palin said behind the scenes she isn't running in 2012.

Possible skeletons discovered by Romney camp?

Good...maybe her and sanford will run away together...to like antarctica or something

[Broncojef]

I remember it well. But if your point is that Carter = Obama somehow, then other than trying to improve relations with other countries what is your point? You think we came out that much ahead with Bush jr's approach? Iran would have taken hostages with Bush in place as well if they had the chance. We just aren't there with an embassy supporting the Shah any more.

You'll soon see hyper inflation just like Carter's era as well. I get it Bush was a mumbling idiot and barry has charisma but we are destined to repeat history. You don't print the kind of money this administration is without seeing inflation...its coming.

[mizzoutigers]

if palin was a lib then majority of the posters on here would spin it as a good thing, vice versa - all the problems in this country even by the end of 2010 will still be bush's fault. so predictable. all these posts and thoughts simply come from your political stance. I HATE LIBERALS, and all the left biased media.

[sirhcyennek81]

Did you want him to attack Iran so we can fight a war on another front


Calling out Iran for a fraudulent vote would have been nice. I mean, the EU of all places did this, and is considering pulling their Ambassador for it.


:Broncos:

[ghwk]

Rumor is Palin said behind the scenes she isn't running in 2012.

Possible skeletons discovered by Romney camp?

And with that I'm back to my original hypothesis that someone caught her sleeping with a ferret.

[kupesdad]

Rumor is Palin said behind the scenes she isn't running in 2012.

Possible skeletons discovered by Romney camp?

I don't know how she could have any skeletons left

[Broncojef]

You really don't know much about depression-esque economics that require spending to get the job market moving again. Most of the stimulus money hasnt even been sent out yet. People are forgetting that for long before Obama was president, it was forecasted that we wouldnt hit rockbottom till fall 2009.

if you think we will hit rock bottom this fall with the economic approach this administration has taken you are in for a huge surprise.

[ghwk]

Calling out Iran for a fraudulent vote would have been nice. I mean, the EU of all places did this, and is considering pulling their Ambassador for it.


:Broncos:

Just oh God. Go read more newspapers and get your facts and timeline straight, especially the reason for Britain potentially pulling their ambassadors.

[kupesdad]

I don't know how she could have any skeletons left

Oh snap they found out about our little affair...here comes hard copy

[SonOfLe-loLang]

You'll soon see hyper inflation just like Carter's era as well. I get it Bush was a mumbling idiot and barry has charisma but we are destined to repeat history. You don't print the kind of money this administration is without seeing inflation...its coming.

Please, there's not even a threat of inflation right now. Get over it. WE NEED TO STIMULATE the economy. Unfortunately, the watered down stimulus bill probably isn't enough, but most of the money hasn't even gone out yet. Again, history has proved this. When Roosevelt come into office, his new deal got the economy on the right track. After a few years, they thought everything would be ok, so they started balancing the budget, and what happened? Economy started tanking again. Then the biggest public works project in american history occurred to officially save it (WW2). We need to stay the course.

[Atlas]

if you think we will hit rock bottom this fall with the economic approach this administration has taken you are in for a huge surprise.

That is your opinion and you can hope for a bad economy all you want, but 2010 elections are a long way off and I look for a strong rebound come January.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

if you think we will hit rock bottom this fall with the economic approach this administration has taken you are in for a huge surprise.

What did the policies you support do exactly? Oh it turned a surplus into a huge deficit. I'll take my chances even with the watered down bill

[Rohirrim]

Rumor is Palin said behind the scenes she isn't running in 2012.

Possible skeletons discovered by Romney camp?

Interesting point. It benefits Huckabee as well, who seems to be keeping himself in the public eye. There have been a number of ethics investigations going on in Alaska. Who knows? Maybe some prosecutor found a smoking gun and gave her the choice of resign and it's all over or get ready to fight an indictment.

[sirhcyennek81]

You really don't know much about depression-esque economics that require spending to get the job market moving again. Most of the stimulus money hasnt even been sent out yet. People are forgetting that for long before Obama was president, it was forecasted that we wouldnt hit rockbottom till fall 2009.


FDR spent during the depression and prolonged it. Unemployment never dropped below 15% his first two terms.

Obama said unemployment with the stimulus would cap at 8% then drop. Its 9.5% and rising. Clearly the "stimulus" is anything but a way to throw money at democrat pork projects and pay off the people who got him elected. Congress should rescind whats left of the stimulus and consider cutting spending and taxes to actually get the economy going. Private business get the economy moving, not gradiose government social projects.

:Broncos:

[sirhcyennek81]

Just oh God. Go read more newspapers and get your facts and timeline straight, especially the reason for Britain potentially pulling their ambassadors.


Oh my...an opinion differing from yours and the Obama media...ATTACK IT ATTACK IT.


:Broncos:

[JJJ]

Clinton lied about a hummer, yes. That doesn't make him a bad President. You said one of the reasons you voted for Obama because of World Opinion. The World Loves Clinton, He saved millions of people when he went into Yugoslavia, The Unemplyement rate was at 4.9% and WE HAD A BALANCED BUDGET..... All of this was ruined by two terms of GW administration.

There are big differences between Republicans and democrats... and I can safely say that I might not ever vote for Republican until they change their platform. That being said there are Republicans that Are qualified to be President. Palin isn't one of them. It's not JUST that she has a bachelor's degree in communications.... Go watch her interviews. She is stupid and not smart enough to handle the position.

Clinton was a very good President. A liar and a philander but a very good President.

He was great because he clung pretty rigidly to republican economic policies. Clinton economically was a republican in democratic clothing. Kept taxes low, managed the deficit, didn't allow his wife to dictate healthcare policy. If Obama would simply follow Clinton's recipe for success we would be in good shape. But he won't.

I have seen enough of Palin to know she on the money with regards to her platform and willingness to take on tough issues but she doesn't have the on-the-fly quickness and clarity under pressure to really handle the presidency. She would be a capable senator but if you can't handle softball questions from Katie Couric then you got no business making a play for the oval office.

[kupesdad]

Interesting point. It benefits Huckabee as well, who seems to be keeping himself in the public eye. There have been a number of ethics investigations going on in Alaska. Who knows? Maybe some prosecutor found a smoking gun and gave her the choice of resign and it's all over or get ready to fight an indictment.

Believe me Alaska politics has a lot bigger worries than troopergate. We're more ****ed up than chinese music

[Atlas]

FDR spent during the depression and prolonged it. Unemployment never dropped below 15% his first two terms.

Obama said unemployment with the stimulus would cap at 8% then drop. Its 9.5% and rising. Clearly the "stimulus" is anything but a way to throw money at democrat pork projects and pay off the people who got him elected. Congress should rescind whats left of the stimulus and consider cutting spending and taxes to actually get the economy going. Private business get the economy moving, not gradiose government social projects.

:Broncos:


Where did he say 8% I have never heard that. I have always heard that unemployment is a lagging economic indicator and even when the economy starts to recover the unemployment will continue to rise, and I have always heard that it would go above 10% before it got better.

Maybe you shouldn't watch Fox news so much.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

FDR spent during the depression and prolonged it. Unemployment never dropped below 15% his first two terms.

Obama said unemployment with the stimulus would cap at 8% then drop. Its 9.5% and rising. Clearly the "stimulus" is anything but a way to throw money at democrat pork projects and pay off the people who got him elected. Congress should rescind whats left of the stimulus and consider cutting spending and taxes to actually get the economy going. Private business get the economy moving, not gradiose government social projects.

:Broncos:

The idea that FDR prolonged the depression is a ****ing joke. Quit reading that crap by Amity Shlaes. That book was disgusting.

And again, MOST OF THE STIMULUS MONEY ISNT OUT YET! I just dont understand how we watched "private business" ruin us and you expect them to suddenly save the economy if we just give them more leeway. There's a definition for continuing to try something that has clearly failed. It's called insanity.

[frerottenextelway]

Interesting point. It benefits Huckabee as well, who seems to be keeping himself in the public eye. There have been a number of ethics investigations going on in Alaska. Who knows? Maybe some prosecutor found a smoking gun and gave her the choice of resign and it's all over or get ready to fight an indictment.

Yeah, could be. I think there's more speculation around Romney because it's known that he is pouring money into oppo-research now.

[Atlas]

Clinton was a very good President. A liar and a philander but a very good President.

He was great because he clung pretty rigidly to republican economic policies. Clinton economically was a republican in democratic clothing. Kept taxes low, managed the deficit, didn't allow his wife to dictate healthcare policy. If Obama would simply follow Clinton's recipe for success we would be in good shape. But he won't.

I have seen enough of Palin to know she on the money with regards to her platform and willingness to take on tough issues but she doesn't have the on-the-fly quickness and clarity under pressure to really handle the presidency. She would be a capable senator but if you can't handle softball questions from Katie Couric then you got no business making a play for the oval office.

Clinton raised taxes. Then Bush came in and cut them.

[Florida_Bronco]

McCain picking her for VP pretty much killed her chances of progressing in politics IMO. She was ill prepared for that role and got pummeled when she had to go into the public eye. Now, even if she improves substantially in the future, it's doubtful the public will forget the way she fumbled the ball last time.

That being said, it's not a huge loss. She clearly isn't smart enough to be POTUS and she had less than zero chance of even making it that far to begin with.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Clinton was a very good President. A liar and a philander but a very good President.

He was great because he clung pretty rigidly to republican economic policies. Clinton economically was a republican in democratic clothing. Kept taxes low, managed the deficit, didn't allow his wife to dictate healthcare policy. If Obama would simply follow Clinton's recipe for success we would be in good shape. But he won't.

I have seen enough of Palin to know she on the money with regards to her platform and willingness to take on tough issues but she doesn't have the on-the-fly quickness and clarity under pressure to really handle the presidency. She would be a capable senator but if you can't handle softball questions from Katie Couric then you got no business making a play for the oval office.

Clinton was a clear moderate. You guys are all bitching when Obama wants to raise taxes back to Clinton standards.

The fact that you think Palin is qualified for anything is laughable.

[frerottenextelway]

The source who says she has quit politics is Fred Malek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Malek), who apparently told this to NBC News.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Yeah, could be. I think there's more speculation around Romney because it's known that he is pouring money into oppo-research now.

I think the repulican who will run in 2012 is someone not on the radar right now. if they trot out any of these old retards, they'll get crushed

[ghwk]

Oh my...an opinion differing from yours and the Obama media...ATTACK IT ATTACK IT.


:Broncos:

I didn't attack you because of your opinion, I attacked you because you stated information that is factual incorrectly.

[elsid13]

FDR spent during the depression and prolonged it. Unemployment never dropped below 15% his first two terms.

Obama said unemployment with the stimulus would cap at 8% then drop. Its 9.5% and rising. Clearly the "stimulus" is anything but a way to throw money at democrat pork projects and pay off the people who got him elected. Congress should rescind whats left of the stimulus and consider cutting spending and taxes to actually get the economy going. Private business get the economy moving, not gradiose government social projects.

:Broncos:

You do realize that the stimulus monies have yet to hit the economy. Monetary policies have direct and immediate affect on economy. Fiscal policies take between 6 months to two years to change it.

[Rohirrim]

She just gave another farewell/explanation speech. She is saying she is "passing the ball while driving to the hoop" for the benefit of the team. If I was to try and read behind the lines I would have to say she doesn't want to do this but has no other choice. For what reason, who knows? She said she "loves to be governor of Alaska" but has to do what is best for the state. WTF?

[sirhcyennek81]

Where did he say 8% I have never heard that. I have always heard that unemployment is a lagging economic indicator and even when the economy starts to recover the unemployment will continue to rise, and I have always heard that it would go above 10% before it got better.

Maybe you shouldn't watch Fox news so much.


Obama said 8%. His media mouthpiece, Gibbs said 8%. Geithner said 8%. Apparently this is the "magic number" that the administration banked on.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/21/AR2009062101859.html


:Broncos:

[24champ]

FDR spent during the depression and prolonged it. Unemployment never dropped below 15% his first two terms.

Obama said unemployment with the stimulus would cap at 8% then drop. Its 9.5% and rising. Clearly the "stimulus" is anything but a way to throw money at democrat pork projects and pay off the people who got him elected. Congress should rescind whats left of the stimulus and consider cutting spending and taxes to actually get the economy going. Private business get the economy moving, not gradiose government social projects.

:Broncos:

Yet Clinton didn't have a big spending agenda...didn't spend trillions of dollars...and the economy took off. Hmm I wonder why?

[Broncojef]

What did the policies you support do exactly? Oh it turned a surplus into a huge deficit. I'll take my chances even with the watered down bill

I support getting rid of capital gains tax and encouraging investment in America. Encourage people to invest. Encourage business to make money, and create jobs. Stop passing legislation designed to stop business that employs Americans. Stop trying to redistribute wealth, taxing the hell out of hard working Americans so those wanting to sit at home and do nothing are rewarded. Stop the damn spending...you aren't going to spend your way out of this....more and more spending equates to more and more taxes and a dollar that is worthless. Inflation hasn't hit yet because the market is being manipulated by these morons. the longer this situation continues to boil and not correct naturally the worse the correction will be in the end. I can't think of one time in my life where I hit hard times financially and I turned to my wife and said you know what we need to do to get out of the financial mess we are in is to spend more...just doesn't make sense. The actions now being taken are driving us into a worse and worse place.

[Rohirrim]

This smells a little like the Sanford story: More to come later.

[frerottenextelway]

I think the repulican who will run in 2012 is someone not on the radar right now. if they trot out any of these old retards, they'll get crushed

I thought Jindall would be a tough foe. But he blew it so much giving the counter to the SOTU speach. Charlie Crist would be a tough match-up, but there's a good chance he'll be switching parties in the next year! I dunno. Hopefully it's a clusterf_ck.

[kupesdad]

She just gave another farewell/explanation speech. She is saying she is "passing the ball while driving to the hoop" for the benefit of the team. If I was to try and read behind the lines I would have to say she doesn't want to do this but has no other choice. For what reason, who knows? She said she "loves to be governor of Alaska" but has to do what is best for the state. WTF?

If that's what she said I don't know what would do it. The so-called scandals here are minor league political infighting unless something else is happening with her family. Pretty strange...

[24champ]

I think the repulican who will run in 2012 is someone not on the radar right now. if they trot out any of these old retards, they'll get crushed

Republicans will nominate McCain's grandpa.

[Rohirrim]

Palin just resigned. Pretty big political news. What is the Omane arguing about? Clinton and Obama. Ha!

[frerottenextelway]

This smells a little like the Sanford story: More to come later.

Yes it does.

[Gcver2ver3]

Another version of DRILL BABY DRILL!!

good one...

[frerottenextelway]

Palin just resigned. Pretty big political news. What is the Omane arguing about? Clinton and Obama. Ha!

It's Obama's fault she resigned. D'uh. 8')

[elsid13]

If that's what she said I don't know what would do it. The so-called scandals here are minor league political infighting unless something else is happening with her family. Pretty strange...

Wonder if the Ted Steven net is hitting some other folks.

[sirhcyennek81]

You do realize that the stimulus monies have yet to hit the economy. Monetary policies have direct and immediate affect on economy. Fiscal policies take between 6 months to two years to change it.


So the stimulus is stimuluating what, exactly?


:Broncos:

[24champ]

So the stimulus is stimuluating what, exactly?


:Broncos:

Stimulating General Motors...


oh wait.

[Broncojef]

Clinton raised taxes. Then Bush came in and cut them.

Clinton at least paid down debt. I'm not a fan of liberalism but the one thing Clinton did do when he raised taxes was to eliminate debt and get our budget more in line. I have no issues paying more taxes for the good of the nation and paying down debt. Raising taxes and printing money and having a budget even more out control to reward organizations like ACORN and spending just to spend is ridiculous.

[kupesdad]

Wonder if the Ted Steven net is hitting some other folks.

From what I know of it she wasn't in the good old boys network that got Stevens in fact she pretty much alienated those guys. Most of those convictions are in the process of getting thrown out of court. They have already released 2 of the guys that went to jail. One of them was a guy i played b-ball with in high school and he was too dumb to not get caught. He got busted for a measly $2500.00 bribe

[Broncojef]

So the stimulus is stimuluating what, exactly?


:Broncos:

Its stimulating ACORN, unions and other organizations that supported Barry's race to the presidency

[Florida_Bronco]

if they trot out any of these old retards, they'll get crushed And hence the problem with the Republican party as of late. They make stupid decisions.

[elsid13]

So the stimulus is stimuluating what, exactly?


:Broncos:

Right now very little. At the end of the year and beginning of next you should start to see the federal acquisition process start to release some of the infrastructure contracts. Which means that raw material folks should start to see orders to stage supplies for next summer. Employment to tick up in the spring and consumer spending to increase come fall.

At that time I would be worried about inflation, and would expect the Fed to up interest rates to keep it in check.

[JJJ]

Clinton raised taxes. Then Bush came in and cut them.

Nope. Clinton did both. He raised them in 1993 and lowered them in 1997 and after he lowered them the economy really took off.

Here is an interesting article. Good parts at the bottom.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Taxes/wm1835.cfm

Technically it wasn't Clinton lowering the taxes but he signed them so he gets credit.

[frerottenextelway]

Could the Trig isn't her baby rumors be true?

[ghwk]

Its stimulating ACORN, unions and other organizations that supported Barry's race to the presidency

And with that we know the lobotomy was successful.

[frerottenextelway]

"Stick a fork in her political ambitions, she's done" - Joe Scarborough

[elsid13]

Its stimulating ACORN, unions and other organizations that supported Barry's race to the presidency

I know that the talk by conservative radio hosts but not true. Right now most of the funds have been sent to states which are using the funds to cover state budget shortfalls and not spending funds as stimulus package. Obama's administration has very good guy of showing folks were the monies are going if you look at http://www.recovery.gov/

[Atlas]

Obama said 8%. His media mouthpiece, Gibbs said 8%. Geithner said 8%. Apparently this is the "magic number" that the administration banked on.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/21/AR2009062101859.html


:Broncos:

No where in there does it say Obama or his team projected 8%. There is a Republican Saying that Obama said 8% that is it. When Obama came into the Presidency unemployment was over 7%. The stimulas money hasn't even taken hold yet.

You have proven nothing. Show me Where Obama said unemployment would top out at 8%.

Thsi is the blurb in the article.

"They even predicted that if we passed it quickly, unemployment wouldn't go higher than 8 percent. Well, here we are just a few months later and the unemployment rate is approaching 10 percent," said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.). "The administration admits that their earlier predictions were a guess -- and that they guessed wrong."

[kupesdad]

Could the Trig isn't her baby rumors be true?

Whose baby would it be...the only daughter old enough to have a baby was already pregnant

[frerottenextelway]

Free Republic melts down.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2285021/posts?q=1&;page=1#1

[frerottenextelway]

Whose baby would it be...the only daughter old enough to have a baby was already pregnant

I don't know.

There's good evidence that it isn't Bristol's because the whole timeline thing you mention, but there was some strong circumstantial evidence it wasn't Sarah's either (photos, flight schedule).

Just a guess, it may not be it.

[24champ]

No where in there does it say Obama or his team projected 8%. There is a Republican Saying that Obama said 8% that is it. When Obama came into the Presidency unemployment was over 7%. The stimulas money hasn't even taken hold yet.

You have proven nothing. Show me Where Obama said unemployment would top out at 8%.

Thsi is the blurb in the article.

Earlier this year, the Obama administration had predicted the unemployment rate would peak at 8 percent before beginning to fall toward the end of 2009.
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE55L5CT20090622

[frerottenextelway]

Andrea Mitchell: Palin told allies she's "out of politics, period"

[24champ]

In January, Obama's economic team predicted unemployment would rise no higher than 8 percent with the help of $787 billion in new government spending. The unemployment rate in May reached a 25-year high of 9.4 percent. Obama aides have said that the economy took a turn for the worse since their initial forecast.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2009/06/23/obama_unemployment_to_rise_need_faster_spending/

[frerottenextelway]

Pregnant again?

[kupesdad]

I don't know.

There's good evidence that it isn't Bristol's because the whole timeline thing you mention, but there was some strong circumstantial evidence it wasn't Sarah's either (photos, flight schedule).

Just a guess, it may not be it.

I've heard speculation that it wasn't Todds...but that's all it is. I would be less surprised if they found out Todd was running around on her. He seems like a pretty solid guy from my experience with him. He works for the same company as I do but he also races snowmachines with a couple of my good friends. They may have just decided that having your life turned inside out isn't worth it. They are a very close family.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

....No reason given except that there is speculation she is doing it to run for President in 2012. I can't imagine that would wpork out that well for her, I winder what else is behind this.


Can't believe this nutjob/brainless bimbo is still even a blip on anybody's radar.

Oh well - I guess Paris Hilton, Britney Spears, et al, have enjoyed long tabloid runs.

[Broncojef]

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2009/06/23/obama_unemployment_to_rise_need_faster_spending/

just wait til it hits 12,13,14,15% You don't tax the hell out of companies and then wonder why they won't hire folks and scratch your head as they leave the country for cheaper rates elsewhere. This fiscal policy is a train wreck that has yet to blossom fully...just look at California for the result. Just remember who here is supporting this nonsense.

[kupesdad]

Andrea Mitchell: Palin told allies she's "out of politics, period"

She can make more money in entertainment and it's a lot less brutal

Well I've got to make some more money for BIG OIL...have a nice day

[frerottenextelway]

She can make more money in entertainment and it's a lot less brutal

Well I've got to make some more money for BIG OIL...have a nice day

Have a good day too.

I guess we'll see. I just can't imagine that there isn't a scandal involved, it wouldn't make any sense. She was almost VP, but the spotlight of Alaska Gov is too much? I dunno.

[24champ]

just wait til it hits 12,13,14,15% You don't tax the hell out of companies and then wonder why they won't hire folks and scratch your head as they leave the country for cheaper rates elsewhere. This fiscal policy is a train wreck that has yet to blossom fully...just look at California for the result. Just remember who here is supporting this nonsense.

Doesn't matter what the unemployment numbers are or will be.

Wondering who is the "real" parents of the Palin baby is more important. Just ask Parrotnextelway.

[atomicbloke]

The good folks here going hard on Obama's recovery measures.... and his stimulus packages....

I just wonder if they have a better idea to do it?..... if they think the current method is crap, surely they must know of a better way.... we really would like to know....

And no, just keeping things the way were is not an answer.... and neither are steps like giving even more leeway to corporates, that is what precipitated the current mess (the Bush way)....

So I am curious to know, what exactly do these good folks think is the best way out of this mess..... we dirty liberals want to get out of this mess as much as you morally righteous patriots want to.... so please tell us how....

[frerottenextelway]

The good folks here going hard on Obama's recovery measures.... and his stimulus packages....

I just wonder if they have a better idea to do it?..... if they think the current method is crap, surely they must know of a better way.... we really would like to know....

And no, just keeping things the way were is not an answer.... and neither are steps like giving even more leeway to corporates, that is what precipitated the current mess (the Bush way)....

So I am curious to know, what exactly do these good folks think is the best way out of this mess..... we dirty liberals want to get out of this mess as much as you morally righteous patriots want to.... so please tell us how....

According to those on that side in the political forum, the answer is to deregulate big business and the financials and cut corporate taxes.

[UberBroncoMan]

Letterman broke her Ha!

Not sure how that is funny... what he said was ****ed up and pathetic... I'd feel bad if it directed at anyone else as well.

[atomicbloke]

According to those on that side in the political forum, the answer is to deregulate big business and the financials and cut corporate taxes.

That's already been tried and hasn't worked.... in fact that's partly why we got in to this current mess....

So what's the answer?

[UberBroncoMan]

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2009/06/23/obama_unemployment_to_rise_need_faster_spending/

Wait though... Obama says now if we pass his health care and after they push forward the crazy new energy tax ("we said we would not tax lower/middle class rofl"), that employment will get better.

Meh, as far as I'm concerned. Rising unemployment is just what Obama wants. As more and more people lose their money they need health care, which means they will become reliant on the government which in turn means government expansion and control etc.

The **** he's doing has been tried before and failed... most humans are just too ****ing stupid to realize what's going on.

[frerottenextelway]

That's already been tried and hasn't worked.... in fact that's partly why we got in to this current mess....

So what's the answer?

A progressive tax structure to balance the budget.

Tariffs to keep jobs from going overseas.

A temporary stimulant of money spent on infrastructure, green energy, and manufacturing to prop up the UER.

A health-care system that resembles what they have in Australia, which would save the U.S. citizens and businesses about $1 trillion a year.

[mizzoutigers]

uberbroncoman - refreshing to see someone with your thoughts, ^5 - realistic and not infatuated with this dildo in office that is slowly crippling our country. keep the poor - poor and uneducated, so they rely on the government and as such continuing to vote for these liberal idiots

[frerottenextelway]

John Marshall over at TPM:

this clearly happened so quickly that Palin hasn't even had a chance to come up with a coherent cover story for her resignation.

There's smoke. Is there a fire?

[telluride]

It's always a little depressing dropping in on the political threads here on the Mane. So many crazies.

In any event, the Palin thing is simple enough to figure out. An abrupt resignation on the eve of a holiday signals a major negative story about to break. The leading theory at the moment is that criminal charges are about to be filed, arising from the ethics investigation that's been taking place in Alaska. Apparently some ugly IRS and tax fraud issues.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The good folks here going hard on Obama's recovery measures.... and his stimulus packages....


:yep:

Especially when so many of them supported/defended the gang of thieves who handed Obama the economic crap sandwich with which he must now deal.

[atomicbloke]

A progressive tax structure to balance the budget.

Tariffs to keep jobs from going overseas.

A temporary stimulant of money spent on infrastructure, green energy, and manufacturing to prop up the UER.

A health-care system that resembles what they have in Australia, which would save the U.S. citizens and businesses about $1 trillion a year.

Duh?

Isn't that exactly what the current administration is trying to do, with a few minor modifications?

[frerottenextelway]

Duh?

Isn't that exactly what the current administration is trying to do, with a few minor modifications?

Except for the tariffs, pretty much.

I'm thinking you're thinking I'm on the other side of the aisle than I really am. I was just stating what those against this were saying we should do, not what I think we should do. :)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

...and as such continuing to vote for these liberal idiots

And yet you got crushed by these same "liberal idiots" in a landslide this last election (and continue to sink even further into the quicksand.)

You gained control of all three branches of government - and then you proceeded to piss it all away through your own incompetence, corruption, and criminality (but I suppose all of this is those "liberal idiots'"" fault too, eh?)

America finally got a chance to see what the hard right would do with all the power - and America spewed the hard right out of its mouth.

Ha!

[frerottenextelway]

BREAKING

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PALIN UNDER CRIMINAL PROBE

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

BREAKING

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PALIN UNDER CRIMINAL PROBE

Again?

What a shocker.

[24champ]

Wait though... Obama says now if we pass his health care and after they push forward the crazy new energy tax ("we said we would not tax lower/middle class rofl"), that employment will get better.

Meh, as far as I'm concerned. Rising unemployment is just what Obama wants. As more and more people lose their money they need health care, which means they will become reliant on the government which in turn means government expansion and control etc.

The **** he's doing has been tried before and failed... most humans are just too ****ing stupid to realize what's going on.

Texas is in the best shape in the country economy out of all the states...and it is run by (gasp) republicans who (gasp) oppose taxes.

Meanwhile if you look at California where they tax you to death and they are broke to the point they are issuing IOU's. Pretty sad state of affairs over there.

[telluride]

Nice siren!

[UberBroncoMan]

uberbroncoman - refreshing to see someone with your thoughts, ^5 - realistic and not infatuated with this dilrod in office that is slowly crippling our country. keep the poor - poor and uneducated, so they rely on the government and as such continuing to vote for these liberal idiots

I wouldn't even call the people liberal. They buy into the idea that the socialists in power really want to help everyone. In reality not all democrats etc are bad people... but a lot of them are just too ignorant or foolish to understand the truth. They think... ok health care for everyone... that's great! Lets help the poor yada yada.

Yeah that sounds very charitable and kind, but it's not really what everything is about.

The people in power as you picked up on, are merely men and women who WANT POWER. It's really that simple. They chose a side that could give them the most power. Right now it's the socialcrats who have the limelight and they are going to ****ing nail this nation for everything they can while they still have power. They are taking a different approach though this time and capitalizing on Bush's late term failures (bailout's etc) and using that mess as an excuse to literally CHANGE the fabric of this nation.

Once you can get a population that's heavily poor/needy you can control them. Look at history and every big socialist or communist revolution. A mass of poor people bought in to the idea of being taken care of... of being "equal" or FAIR.

Obama and the rest are doing the same **** right now, just with different words. It's the same goal, just a different presentation since America has a different culture.

In the end the people currently in power feel that Americans are too stupid to live their lives without the government heavily involved in dictating their lives. People are too stupid to go to school and work hard. They are too stupid to provide health care for their families... and on and on.

In many ways they are right though.

Look at the amount of ****ing idiots who chose to buy cars, houses, frivolous accessories, vacations, tv's and so forth, when they should have been keeping money in savings, and managing money responsibly. Credit Cards have ****ing ruined so many lives due to irresponsibility.

However... while the socialists think it's better to run everyone's life.

I on the other hand believe in RESPONSIBILITY.

If you get yourself in a hole... if you lose your house... it's your own ****ing fault. If you lose your health care, or your a bum. Guess what, deal with it.

This is a nation that thrives on individuals who rise out of the gutters to make something of themselves out of hard work.

****, that's what I'm trying to do right now. I'm literally doing work on the side to start up my own media company down the road and I just came from a simple military family with a stay at home mom.

Now yes... layoffs do happen to GOOD people... and it sucks... but the rout we're going would not create a world where small---big businesses are providing work. The government wants to provide you work through contracts with various industries (such as the brand new green energy fad) and government jobs directly (I'd know I went to college to run government agencies).

Bailouts is another example. Rather than allowing FAILURE and letting those responsible take the fall, we the people are taking the fall for it.

It's not all democrats either... republicans have been guilty as well... it just so happens though that I firmly believe the democrats plan is far more dangerous to the integrity of this nation and what we were founded upon. The last thing we need is to become California.

The United States needs term limits on the house/senate... we need to have higher standards for who represents us... but unfortunately HUMANS rarely get a leader that actually measures up to the standards they see in him/her or what the person presents him/herself as.

So right now is the time of socialist thought. It's spreading like wildfire due to the economic state, and the media which endorses it so heavily. A lot of this is due to the hippies/radicals etc of the late 60/70's getting old and (guess what... they're in office now).

Trying to convince someone of the realities of life and history just isn't practical though.

Trying to explain to a hardcore liberal that they're following a socialist isn't ever going to work. It takes reality to slap someone in the face to turn them.

They can spin **** all they want. But history, and statistics never lie.

Nor does the nature of the people in our government... which is to obtain power and secure it for as long as possible... whether some choose to use this power for good or for obtaining further power is up to the individual... but most just want to rule us like the queen ant... especially those currently in power.

[broncofan7]

If we REALLY wanted change--all of you would vote straight ticket Libertarian like me......Get those career criminals and special interests the HELL out of DC.

[broncofan7]

just wait til it hits 12,13,14,15% You don't tax the hell out of companies and then wonder why they won't hire folks and scratch your head as they leave the country for cheaper rates elsewhere. This fiscal policy is a train wreck that has yet to blossom fully...just look at California for the result. Just remember who here is supporting this nonsense.

EXACTLY. CALI is a GREAT example of what is to come for the rest of us unless we get BOTH parties the hell out of DC.

[broncofan7]

I wouldn't even call the people liberal. They buy into the idea that the socialists in power really want to help everyone. In reality not all democrats etc are bad people... but a lot of them are just too ignorant or foolish to understand the truth. They think... ok health care for everyone... that's great! Lets help the poor yada yada.

Yeah that sounds very charitable and kind, but it's not really what everything is about.

The people in power as you picked up on, are merely men and women who WANT POWER. It's really that simple. They chose a side that could give them the most power. Right now it's the socialcrats who have the limelight and they are going to ****ing nail this nation for everything they can while they still have power. They are taking a different approach though this time and capitalizing on Bush's late term failures (bailout's etc) and using that mess as an excuse to literally CHANGE the fabric of this nation.

Once you can get a population that's heavily poor/needy you can control them. Look at history and every big socialist or communist revolution. A mass of poor people bought in to the idea of being taken care of... of being "equal" or FAIR.

Obama and the rest are doing the same **** right now, just with different words. It's the same goal, just a different presentation since America has a different culture.

In the end the people currently in power feel that Americans are too stupid to live their lives without the government heavily involved in dictating their lives. People are too stupid to go to school and work hard. They are too stupid to provide health care for their families... and on and on.

In many ways they are right though.

Look at the amount of ****ing idiots who chose to buy cars, houses, frivolous accessories, vacations, tv's and so forth, when they should have been keeping money in savings, and managing money responsibly. Credit Cards have ****ing ruined so many lives due to irresponsibility.

However... while the socialists think it's better to run everyone's life.

I on the other hand believe in RESPONSIBILITY.

If you get yourself in a hole... if you lose your house... it's your own ****ing fault. If you lose your health care, or your a bum. Guess what, deal with it.

This is a nation that thrives on individuals who rise out of the gutters to make something of themselves out of hard work.

****, that's what I'm trying to do right now. I'm literally doing work on the side to start up my own media company down the road and I just came from a simple military family with a stay at home mom.

Now yes... layoffs do happen to GOOD people... and it sucks... but the rout we're going would not create a world where small---big businesses are providing work. The government wants to provide you work through contracts with various industries (such as the brand new green energy fad) and government jobs directly (I'd know I went to college to run government agencies).

Bailouts is another example. Rather than allowing FAILURE and letting those responsible take the fall, we the people are taking the fall for it.

It's not all democrats either... republicans have been guilty as well... it just so happens though that I firmly believe the democrats plan is far more dangerous to the integrity of this nation and what we were founded upon. The last thing we need is to become California.

The United States needs term limits on the house/senate... we need to have higher standards for who represents us... but unfortunately HUMANS rarely get a leader that actually measures up to the standards they see in him/her or what the person presents him/herself as.

So right now is the time of socialist thought. It's spreading like wildfire due to the economic state, and the media which endorses it so heavily. A lot of this is due to the hippies/radicals etc of the late 60/70's getting old and (guess what... they're in office now).

Trying to convince someone of the realities of life and history just isn't practical though.

Trying to explain to a hardcore liberal that they're following a socialist isn't ever going to work. It takes reality to slap someone in the face to turn them.

They can spin **** all they want. But history, and statistics never lie.

Nor does the nature of the people in our government... which is to obtain power and secure it for as long as possible... whether some choose to use this power for good or for obtaining further power is up to the individual... but most just want to rule us like the queen ant... especially those currently in power.

Personal responsibility!?!?!?! How dare you sir!!! You are a HATE MONGER! ;)

[ghwk]

Texas is in the best shape in the country economy out of all the states...and it is run by (gasp) republicans who (gasp) oppose taxes.

Meanwhile if you look at California where they tax you to death and they are broke to the point they are issuing IOU's. Pretty sad state of affairs over there.

Hey believe it or not Calif. has a republican governor and enough Repubs to block any tax increases, so what is your point?

[UberBroncoMan]

If we REALLY wanted change--all of you would vote straight ticket Libertarian like me......Get those career criminals and special interests the HELL out of DC.

This nation needs a new party... that's the reality of things.

A party that holds all inside of it EXTREMELY ACCOUNTABLE for their actions. I'm talking, if you **** up taxes, embezzle money, illegal funding, cheat on your wife etc... you're done, you're gone... get the **** out of here... oh and we're going to help get your ass in jail if it's possible.

Like I said above too... new term limits across the board. People are too concerned with keeping their job and their power, not helping the people they were hired to represent. We need people in power who focus on THE PEOPLE.

DC really is the District of Criminals.

[24champ]

Hey believe it or not Calif. has a republican governor and enough Repubs to block any tax increases, so what is your point?

Arnold isn't as powerful as the unions in California.

See Proposition 73,74,76, and 77 in the 2005 ballot initiatives. All 4 failed...

After that, Arnold caved in and couldn't do anything.

[UberBroncoMan]

Arnold isn't as powerful as the unions in California.

See Proposition 73,74,76, and 77 in the 2005 ballot initiatives. All 4 failed...

After that, Arnold caved in and couldn't do anything.

lol, people really have no clue who controls this nation do they 24champ. People see a face and point to it, but they are so clueless to all the stuff behind the scenes of what we're presented. Hell, I should even point out that Arnold isn't even that much of a Republican (hell he's married to a ****ing Kennedy). Granted JFK might be an outcast by today's democrats based on the socialist shift that's taken place. He ran Republican because that's the party that gave him the best chance for becoming governor after a certain Democrat was kicked out of office.

Who's going to win, the giant lizard (Arnold) or the colony of ants (Union leaders and their minions) that are swarming him.

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This is a great example of politics. SOME people go into it with good intentions and end up nothing but bones... granted I'm not sure about Arnold's intentions.

[atomicbloke]

I wouldn't even call the people liberal. They buy into the idea that the socialists in power really want to help everyone. In reality not all democrats etc are bad people... but a lot of them are just too ignorant or foolish to understand the truth. They think... ok health care for everyone... that's great! Lets help the poor yada yada.

Yeah that sounds very charitable and kind, but it's not really what everything is about.

The people in power as you picked up on, are merely men and women who WANT POWER. It's really that simple. They chose a side that could give them the most power. Right now it's the socialcrats who have the limelight and they are going to ****ing nail this nation for everything they can while they still have power. They are taking a different approach though this time and capitalizing on Bush's late term failures (bailout's etc) and using that mess as an excuse to literally CHANGE the fabric of this nation.

Once you can get a population that's heavily poor/needy you can control them. Look at history and every big socialist or communist revolution. A mass of poor people bought in to the idea of being taken care of... of being "equal" or FAIR.

Obama and the rest are doing the same **** right now, just with different words. It's the same goal, just a different presentation since America has a different culture.

In the end the people currently in power feel that Americans are too stupid to live their lives without the government heavily involved in dictating their lives. People are too stupid to go to school and work hard. They are too stupid to provide health care for their families... and on and on.

In many ways they are right though.

Look at the amount of ****ing idiots who chose to buy cars, houses, frivolous accessories, vacations, tv's and so forth, when they should have been keeping money in savings, and managing money responsibly. Credit Cards have ****ing ruined so many lives due to irresponsibility.

However... while the socialists think it's better to run everyone's life.

I on the other hand believe in RESPONSIBILITY.

If you get yourself in a hole... if you lose your house... it's your own ****ing fault. If you lose your health care, or your a bum. Guess what, deal with it.

This is a nation that thrives on individuals who rise out of the gutters to make something of themselves out of hard work.

****, that's what I'm trying to do right now. I'm literally doing work on the side to start up my own media company down the road and I just came from a simple military family with a stay at home mom.

Now yes... layoffs do happen to GOOD people... and it sucks... but the rout we're going would not create a world where small---big businesses are providing work. The government wants to provide you work through contracts with various industries (such as the brand new green energy fad) and government jobs directly (I'd know I went to college to run government agencies).

Bailouts is another example. Rather than allowing FAILURE and letting those responsible take the fall, we the people are taking the fall for it.

It's not all democrats either... republicans have been guilty as well... it just so happens though that I firmly believe the democrats plan is far more dangerous to the integrity of this nation and what we were founded upon. The last thing we need is to become California.

The United States needs term limits on the house/senate... we need to have higher standards for who represents us... but unfortunately HUMANS rarely get a leader that actually measures up to the standards they see in him/her or what the person presents him/herself as.

So right now is the time of socialist thought. It's spreading like wildfire due to the economic state, and the media which endorses it so heavily. A lot of this is due to the hippies/radicals etc of the late 60/70's getting old and (guess what... they're in office now).

Trying to convince someone of the realities of life and history just isn't practical though.

Trying to explain to a hardcore liberal that they're following a socialist isn't ever going to work. It takes reality to slap someone in the face to turn them.

They can spin **** all they want. But history, and statistics never lie.

Nor does the nature of the people in our government... which is to obtain power and secure it for as long as possible... whether some choose to use this power for good or for obtaining further power is up to the individual... but most just want to rule us like the queen ant... especially those currently in power.

Damn.... for a moment I thought you were talking about Republicans.... and all the Reaganomic ideals....

It's funny though.... you keep mentioning about dirty dumb lazy liberals... yada yada yada....

Yet when 8 years of the Bush government was doing exactly the same.... i.e., absconding personal responsilibity... and the Reagan drones too.... then I didn't recall any of you good folks to have a problem with it.... that time, it was all about the American way of life....spend spend spend on credit.... if you make $25K per annum, no problem, buy a $300 K house... you are American, you deserve it....

And now when the Democrats are in power.... its all about how the dirty hippie libruls spiled the country....

You do mention that the repubs are at fault too.... too bad you were OK with it the last 8 years.... I don't recall anyone of your ilk going hard on Bush and co during the last 8 years....

Now when the other side is in power... you are like.... "ok I admit I we were wrong.... but guess what you guys are wrong too... you have destroyed this great country that we made, etc etc..."

Really its gotten so old, its not funny anymore....

You should have had all these enlightening thoughts during the 8 years of the Bush admin and the 8 years of the Reagan admin....

The mess has been made... it has to be solved.... if you think the current admin's efforts to solve it are wrong... then suggest a better method... and explain why it'll work... until you do that, you really have no credibility....

[UberBroncoMan]

Damn.... for a moment I thought you were talking about Republicans.... and all the Reaganomic ideals....

It's funny though.... you keep mentioning about dirty dumb lazy liberals... yada yada yada....

Yet when 8 years of the Bush government was doing exactly the same.... i.e., absconding personal responsilibity... and the Reagan drones too.... then I didn't recall any of you good folks to have a problem with it.... that time, it was all about the American way of life....spend spend spend on credit.... if you make $25K per annum, no problem, buy a $300 K house... you are American, you deserve it....

And now when the Democrats are in power.... its all about how the dirty hippie libruls spiled the country....

You do mention that the repubs are at fault too.... too bad you were OK with it the last 8 years.... I don't recall anyone of your ilk going hard on Bush and co during the last 8 years....

Now when the other side is in power... you are like.... "ok I admit I we were wrong.... but guess what you guys are wrong too... you have destroyed this great country that we made, etc etc..."

Really its gotten so old, its not funny anymore....

You should have had all these enlightening thoughts during the 8 years of the Bush admin and the 8 years of the Reagan admin....

The mess has been made... it has to be solved.... if you think the current admin's efforts to solve it are wrong... then suggest a better method... and explain why it'll work... until you do that, you really have no credibility....

I really don't expect to reach individuals like yourself. You don't really remember Carter either do you. I already explained part of the problem is that we need a different party, that we need less government control, and that people/companies alike need to be responsible for their failures.

Did you really read the stuff I've written either? I've in no way stated Republicans are A OK. I just happen to think the Democrats in this current time are by far the greater of two obvious evils. A lot of what I talked about was aimed at politicians in general, not one party.

The path we're taking now is a path towards government control not self reliance. Obama has been surrounded by communists/socialists his entire life... hell read his book where he talks about his mentor, Frank (Marshall Davis) - a heavy communist. You don't magically change who you are and what you've been throughout your life. Obama really believes that government control is the solution to problems... granted it's something I fear. All government ever does is **** up the stuff it touches and waste countless dollars each year.

[frerottenextelway]

.

Alaskan Sarah Palin authority (and occasional BRAD BLOG guest blogger) Shannyn Moore, who broke the news at HuffPo today, tells me she believes, with good reason, that there is an "iceberg scandal that's about to break. She's doing damage control."

She says Palin is "resigning as part of damage control" due to a scandal that is "not of a family nature." ...


"The governor would not be able to continue her job when it comes out," she told me on the phone just now, before adding: "Why would Mark Sanford not resign, but Sarah Palin did? Her family didn't even know about the resignation until they were standing with her by the lake" when she made her announcement.

Yes. It seems another shoe, apparently a big one, will indeed be dropping, likely within the next week or so. Perhaps earlier now that everyone will be poking around up there.

[24champ]

Also Karl Rove will be indicted!

[Pseudofool]

http://lefteyeonthemedia.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/lemmings1.jpg

[frerottenextelway]

BREAKING

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=942&dateline=1221186651

PALIN TO BE INDICTED ON FEDERAL EMBEZZLEMENT CHARGES?

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7280#more-7280

FURTHER UPDATE: Okay, I've now been able to get independent information from multiple sources that all of this precedes what are said to be possible federal indictments against Palin, concerning an embezzlement scandal related to the building of Palin's house and the Wasilla Sports Complex built during her tenure as Mayor. Both structures, it is said, feature the "same windows, same wood, same products." Federal investigators have been looking into this for some time, and indictments could be imminent, according to the Alaska sources.

The BRAD BLOG has not been able to receive confirm from any federal sources on this. Our information comes from local Alaskans who follow Palin, and who have been keeping an eye on this for some time, while keeping it quiet at the request of federal investigators.

[atomicbloke]

I've in no way stated Republicans are A OK. I just happen to think the Democrats in this current time are by far the greater of two obvious evils.

Please good sir, please explain this..... why exactly are Bush policies > Obama policies....

Also, please enunciate what you think the current administration should be doing instead, and why you think that will work..... you have dodged this question in your post....

[Hogan11]

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http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7280#more-7280



That wouldn't surprise me in the least...never trusted that biatch from day one.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Yet when 8 years of the Bush government was doing exactly the same.... i.e., absconding personal responsilibity... and the Reagan drones too.... then I didn't recall any of you good folks to have a problem with it.... that time, it was all about the American way of life....spend spend spend on credit.... if you make $25K per annum, no problem, buy a $300 K house... you are American, you deserve it....

Ding ding ding! :yep:

Gotta love that right-wing hypocrisy, eh?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://lefteyeonthemedia.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/lemmings1.jpg

:rofl: ^5

[BroncoBuff]

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Wow

[ZONA]

for real, she would absolutely make a killing if she did a porn called
Drill Me Baby, Just Drill Me.

She would make so much money she could buy Alaska if she wanted to. She doesn't even have to go outside of her marriage, she and her hubby could just video tape some sessions and put it out on the market and they would make so much money, their grandchildrens children wouldn't have to work.


lol

[frerottenextelway]

Top Mock Headlines I've Seen

Palin's First Term Aborted

Palin Secedes From Office. Also.

Palin Endorses Bailout

Palin Uses Pullout Method

[Atlas]

:yep:

Especially when so many of them supported/defended the gang of thieves who handed Obama the economic crap sandwich with which he must now deal.

MMMMMMM.... Crap Sandwhich

[TheDave]

To go along with my post on the Sanford thread...

Another politician bites the dust... good riddance

[frerottenextelway]

ha

It's truly been an amazing few weeks for the America, as we found out that GOP governors celebrate Father's Day with adultery, and July 4th by resigning from office.

[OrangeRising]

I have mixed feelings about Palin. On one hand, she's for smaller government and lower taxes, which I wholeheartedly support, especially in the glaring light of this unhinged spending spree from our Democratic friends.

On the other hand, she's a ditz.

'nuff said

[Atlas]

To go along with my post on the Sanford thread...

Another politician bites the dust... good riddance

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Slideshows/_production/ss-090626-TWIToons/090626-TWIToons-12.ss_full.jpg

[Atlas]

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Slideshows/_production/ss-090626-TWIToons/090626-TWIToons-13.ss_full.jpg

[Dukes]

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IMAGES/CARTOONS/toon062509.gif

[Dukes]

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IMAGES/CARTOONS/toon061709.gif

[ton80]

She has been run through the ringer both nationally and locally. I would imagine that she is :

1) Preparing to run for a senate seat in 2010
2) She has made a sweet deal in the private sector (television, CEO of large corporation)
3) taking a break before running for POTUS in the next election which will require her to bone up on international issues so she isn't perceived as a pretty face without substance

Go Sarah!!

I graduated from Dimond too and lived in the state my entire life. I know Sarah and politics pretty well. My guess is that in the immediate future she's getting ready to to go on a warpath. She makes roadkill out of liberals better than anyone on the scene and enjoys doing it. There's not much difference between a pig and Sarah when it comes to enjoying a little roll in the mud. She's a liberals worst nightmare.

Also, Sarah is bigger than Alaska and this country needs her to try and stop Obama from ****ing everything up. Being an employed Governor restricts her from unleashing. There is important legislation this fall coming up in the Senate. If the Cap and Trade legislation passes the Senate, this country will be ****ed, intentionally ****ed by the Obama and the leftist scum.

You will likely see her making speeches to various groups that are willing to pay her some good money. There is a pretty good chance that her family needs money due to her fighting and successfully defending herself against countless frivolous ethics complaints. The Palin's are not a rich family and the $500k in legal bills could be killing them.

Watch the heads start to roll. This is going to get good.

[Baba Booey]

http://avatarfarm.com/avatarimages/people/sarahpalinsohotavatar.gif

[Spider]

I can see Russia from my house ............yeah real loss to Alaska :rofl:

[frerottenextelway]

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w50/alix2304/political%20III/new-rushmore.jpg

[Pseudofool]

I graduated from Dimond too and lived in the state my entire life. I know Sarah and politics pretty well. My guess is that in the immediate future she's getting ready to to go on a warpath. She makes roadkill out of liberals better than anyone on the scene and enjoys doing it. There's not much difference between a pig and Sarah when it comes to enjoying a little roll in the mud. She's a liberals worst nightmare.

Also, Sarah is bigger than Alaska and this country needs her to try and stop Obama from ****ing everything up. Being an employed Governor restricts her from unleashing. There is important legislation this fall coming up in the Senate. If the Cap and Trade legislation passes the Senate, this country will be ****ed, intentionally ****ed by the Obama and the leftist scum.

You will likely see her making speeches to various groups that are willing to pay her some good money. There is a pretty good chance that her family needs money due to her fighting and successfully defending herself against countless frivolous ethics complaints. The Palin's are not a rich family and the $500k in legal bills could be killing them.

Watch the heads start to roll. This is going to get good.What?

[Spider]

What?

LOL ........... I was wondering the same thing ....... what in the **** is this bedwetter yapping about

[Merlin]

Here is a simple question for the economic scholars discussing the present approach to the economic crises. In the 90s to countries also experienced an economic downfall related to failing banks and real estate problems. One of them decided to approach the problem by not investing too much on the problem, the other by investing heavily early on. One of the countries remained in a recession that took almost a decade to overcome, despite interests rates around 1 percent, and the other recovered in less than two years. BTW, the one that took almost a decade finally recovered when its policies began to resemble those of the country that recovered at a faster rate. Care to guess the countries? The approaches that worked and failed?

Here is a hint, both countries are developed countries, and one of them is a fairly strong player in the world economy.

[Dukes]

Here is a simple question for the economic scholars discussing the present approach to the economic crises. In the 90s to countries also experienced an economic downfall related to failing banks and real estate problems. One of them decided to approach the problem by not investing too much on the problem, the other by investing heavily early on. One of the countries remained in a recession that took almost a decade to overcome, despite interests rates around 1 percent, and the other recovered in less than two years. BTW, the one that took almost a decade finally recovered when its policies began to resemble those of the country that recovered at a faster rate. Care to guess the countries? The approaches that worked and failed?

Here is a hint, both countries are developed countries, and one of them is a fairly strong player in the world economy.

Ireland's economy is doing great thanks to lower taxes that brought new business into the country.

[Spider]

Here is a simple question for the economic scholars discussing the present approach to the economic crises. In the 90s to countries also experienced an economic downfall related to failing banks and real estate problems. One of them decided to approach the problem by not investing too much on the problem, the other by investing heavily early on. One of the countries remained in a recession that took almost a decade to overcome, despite interests rates around 1 percent, and the other recovered in less than two years. BTW, the one that took almost a decade finally recovered when its policies began to resemble those of the country that recovered at a faster rate. Care to guess the countries? The approaches that worked and failed?

Here is a hint, both countries are developed countries, and one of them is a fairly strong player in the world economy.
I will take Japan and Italy for a 100 Alex

[Merlin]

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IMAGES/CARTOONS/toon061709.gif
What is funny is that the private system is dying and is unsustainable in its present form. Moreover, it is far worse at caring for the country's population than many other systems used in other developed countries despite it receiving far more money per capita and in total. People may disagree about which solution is best, but to suggest that it is perfectly healthy is absurd to put it mildly.

[Merlin]

I will take Japan and Italy for a 100 Alex
One of them is right. One of the countries is European.

Ireland's economy is not doing great, in fact it has developed some serious concerns, but that is another issue altogether and it is not one of the answers.

[frerottenextelway]

Ireland's economy is doing great thanks to lower taxes that brought new business into the country.

I hope that's snark. So hard to tell sometimes.

[Spider]

One of them is right. One of the countries is European.

Ireland's economy is not doing great, in fact it has developed some serious concerns, but that is another issue altogether and it is not one of the answers.

Italy had the same problems .......Japan was damn near a total wreck ......... But we had the S&L fiasco .......

[Dukes]

I hope that's snark. So hard to tell sometimes.

yes

[Merlin]

Italy had the same problems .......Japan was damn near a total wreck ......... But we had the S&L fiasco .......
It was Sweden and Japan. Now that Spider has narrowed the guessing game, it should not be too difficult to figure out. Anyone care to discuss the particulars? I have seen a number of posts (pro and con) about the present solutions, at the very least one would assume the proponents would be familiar with real world examples that compare to the present economic conditions and what the outcomes were. There is no need to rely on simplistic, jingoistic arguments when there is actual data and economic outcomes to justify an argument.

[frerottenextelway]

It was Sweden and Japan. Now that Spider has narrowed the guessing game, it should not be too difficult to figure out. Anyone care to discuss the particulars? I have seen a number of posts (pro and con) about the present solutions, at the very least one would assume the proponents would be familiar with real world examples that compare to the present economic conditions and what the outcomes were. There is no need to rely on simplistic, jingoistic arguments when there is actual data and economic outcomes to justify an argument.

Doesn't sweden have a single-payer health care system and almost all of their jobs unionized? Sounds like a plan!

[Pseudofool]

It was Sweden and Japan. Now that Spider has narrowed the guessing game, it should not be too difficult to figure out. Anyone care to discuss the particulars? I have seen a number of posts (pro and con) about the present solutions, at the very least one would assume the proponents would be familiar with real world examples that compare to the present economic conditions and what the outcomes were. There is no need to rely on simplistic, jingoistic arguments when there is actual data and economic outcomes to justify an argument.As if history is a blueprint to the future. While they might seem similar, your examples are too disparate. There is no comparison for the moment of 'now,' unfortunately.

It still comes down to ideology. Everyone wants the Devil they know to run the bureaucracy of the economy, be it the gov't or the private sector.

[Punisher]

I think shes one step a head of the Russian Invasion

[Merlin]

Doesn't sweden have a single-payer health care system and almost all of their jobs unionized? Sounds like a plan!
I wasn't talking about healthcare. I'm referring to the economic collapse both, Japan and Sweden experienced in the 90s due to bank failures and real estate collapse.

[frerottenextelway]

I wasn't talking about healthcare. I'm referring to the economic collapse both, Japan and Sweden experienced in the 90s due to bank failures and real estate collapse.

It's 20% of our economy, it's relevant. We'd have a running surplus even right now with their health system and their tax system.

[Merlin]

As if history is a blueprint to the future. While they might seem similar, your examples are too disparate. There is no comparison for the moment of 'now,' unfortunately.
??? History has nothing to do with the future? Are you for real? Do you have any understanding of economics? Or do you think economic theory gets reinvented every new minute?

As to the examples being too disparate, please explain. Your comment suggests you have an understanding of the problems and solutions experienced by both countries, please elaborate.

[Merlin]

It's 20% of our economy, it's relevant. We'd have a running surplus even right now with their health system and their tax system.
I'm sorry, but you are mixing two of my posts. My question had nothing to do with healthcare. The issue was about economic collapses similar to the one being experienced by the US at the moment, and solutions that have been used in the past and the economic outcomes that followed.

I realize healthcare is a serious issue at the moment, but it has little to do with my question regarding Sweden, Japan, and their economic issues in the 90s and how they relate to the US today.

[frerottenextelway]

I'm sorry, but you are mixing two of my posts. My question had nothing to do with healthcare. The issue was about economic collapses similar to the one being experienced by the US at the moment, and solutions that have been used in the past and the economic outcomes that followed.

I realize healthcare is a serious issue at the moment, but it has little to do with my question regarding Sweden, Japan, and their economic issues in the 90s and how they relate to the US today.

Of course they do. If you want to talk about their economy, then talk about all aspects of their economy. You can't just cherry pick certain portions.

Also, your "One of them decided to approach the problem by not investing too much on the problem" is simply not true. They nationalized their banks, a much more drastic step than we have taken.

[Pseudofool]

??? History has nothing to do with the future? Are you for real? Do you have any understanding of economics? Or do you think economic theory gets reinvented every new minute?

As to the examples being too disparate, please explain. Your comment suggests you have an understanding of the problems and solutions experienced by both countries, please elaborate.History has lessons to teach, but it's not a blue print, as I said. The economic conditions have just drastically changed in this decade. The march towards socialism has far less to do with the banks (really this is a failure and an inditement of a private sector bureaucracy) and much more to do with low-skilled manufacturing becoming extinct in the US. The whole crisis from wall street speculating to inflating real estate by giving out loans to anyone to over cutting interest rates are reactions to offset the loss of real income being spent by the loss of high pay low skill labor jobs that began leaving our country long before NAFTA.

We should be less concerned, I think, in general, with how much we are taxed, and more concerned with how many jobs we have. I think the notion that any kind of entrepreneurship can some how create an entire industry to replace (and continue to replace) American manufacturing jobs seems more faith based than fact based. American labor is absurdly expensive; no one in their right mind would hire us to make anything.

One thing we can do is drive down the cost of American labor. (I think that's where healthcare reform comes into play, among other things.)

[Spider]

It was Sweden and Japan. Now that Spider has narrowed the guessing game, it should not be too difficult to figure out. Anyone care to discuss the particulars? I have seen a number of posts (pro and con) about the present solutions, at the very least one would assume the proponents would be familiar with real world examples that compare to the present economic conditions and what the outcomes were. There is no need to rely on simplistic, jingoistic arguments when there is actual data and economic outcomes to justify an argument.

Different situations all together different incomes , inflation rates , different population etc , Italy was one of the countries also .........many countries have faced this crisis and handled it differently , SO who is to say what way is correct ?

[frerottenextelway]

http://imgcash6.imageshack.us/img361/8895/palin.jpg

[Bronx33]

He has been in office 5 months. ALL these Problems... EVERYONE of them was not his fault.

We'll see how it all works out. By the time the 2010 elections roll around we'll see how he has doing.


Obama lied to get your sheep vote and you still think the guy walks on water (god save us)

[JJJ]

I on the other hand believe in RESPONSIBILITY.

If you get yourself in a hole... if you lose your house... it's your own ****ing fault. If you lose your health care, or your a bum. Guess what, deal with it.

This is a nation that thrives on individuals who rise out of the gutters to make something of themselves out of hard work.

****, that's what I'm trying to do right now. I'm literally doing work on the side to start up my own media company down the road and I just came from a simple military family with a stay at home mom.

Now yes... layoffs do happen to GOOD people... and it sucks... but the rout we're going would not create a world where small---big businesses are providing work. The government wants to provide you work through contracts with various industries (such as the brand new green energy fad) and government jobs directly (I'd know I went to college to run government agencies).

Bailouts is another example. Rather than allowing FAILURE and letting those responsible take the fall, we the people are taking the fall for it.

It's not all democrats either... republicans have been guilty as well... it just so happens though that I firmly believe the democrats plan is far more dangerous to the integrity of this nation and what we were founded upon. The last thing we need is to become California.

The United States needs term limits on the house/senate... we need to have higher standards for who represents us... but unfortunately HUMANS rarely get a leader that actually measures up to the standards they see in him/her or what the person presents him/herself as.

So right now is the time of socialist thought. It's spreading like wildfire due to the economic state, and the media which endorses it so heavily. A lot of this is due to the hippies/radicals etc of the late 60/70's getting old and (guess what... they're in office now).

Trying to convince someone of the realities of life and history just isn't practical though.

Trying to explain to a hardcore liberal that they're following a socialist isn't ever going to work. It takes reality to slap someone in the face to turn them.

They can spin **** all they want. But history, and statistics never lie.



Word. Werd. Wurd. However you want to spell this is it.

[Atlas]

Obama lied to get your sheep vote and you still think the guy walks on water (god save us)

Actually my vote went to Hillary.

[JJJ]

It was Sweden and Japan. Now that Spider has narrowed the guessing game, it should not be too difficult to figure out. Anyone care to discuss the particulars? I have seen a number of posts (pro and con) about the present solutions, at the very least one would assume the proponents would be familiar with real world examples that compare to the present economic conditions and what the outcomes were. There is no need to rely on simplistic, jingoistic arguments when there is actual data and economic outcomes to justify an argument.

God I knew someone would bring up Sweden at some point. Always held up as a model the real Sweden has serious issues. Their system is on the way to collapse. Here are some actual data on Sweden.

THE TAX SYSTEM - AN OVERVIEW

Key Features:

Taxes in Sweden consume more than 50 percent of GDP. The aggregate tax burden rose by about 150 percent between 1950 and 1980, but has since that time remained relatively stable. 1

The top marginal income tax rate is about 57 percent. While punitive, the top rate used to be nearly 90 percent in the late 1970s. While the long-term trend is positive, the short-term trend is unfavorable. The top tax rate had fallen to 51 percent immediately after the 1991 reform.

Subnational levels of government play a significant role in the Swedish tax system. The top tax rate on income, for instance, is composed of a 25 percent national tax rate and an average regional/local tax rate of 31.5 percent.

Corporate income tax rates have been reduced. Prior to the 1991 reform, corporations faced a tax rate of 52 percent. The corporate tax rate initially was reduced to 30 percent and since has been reduced to 28 percent. Sweden has a territorial system, meaning companies generally are not taxed on income earned in other nations.

Payroll taxes are a significant burden, totaling nearly 40 percent of income, including a 32.28 percent tax imposed on employers. These taxes finance retirement, sick leave, unemployment, parental leave, and other programs.

Wealth is taxed. Assets are tax-exempt up to SEK 1,500,000 (US$ 205,863)3 per individual. With some variations, the standard tax rate above that level is 1.5 percent. The death tax, however, was abolished in two steps in 2004 and 2005. This radical tax policy move is unusual for a country like Sweden, where high taxes are a way of life.

The value added tax is 25 percent, the maximum rate allowed for European Union nations, but there are preferential rates for several items.

Key Observations:

The tax burden in the Swedish economy tripled between 1950 and 1980. In 1970, when taxes were not much higher than they are in America today, Sweden's GDP per capita ranked fifth in the world4. Since taxes passed 50 percent of GDP the country's overall prosperity has dwindled, and the downturn has been most dramatic in measures of the standard of living. In 1970 Sweden ranked third in OECD for individual consumption, 39 percent above OECD average. By 1995, Sweden barely beat the OECD average, ranking 14th with an individual consumption 1.4 percent above OECD average, and has been stagnant since that time.5

A major tax reform in 1991 significantly lowered the top marginal tax rate to encourage growth. The top rate had peaked at 87 percent in 1979 and then gradually dropped to 65 percent in 1990 before being cut to 51 percent in 1991. Subsequent tax increases have since pushed the rate to about 57 percent.6 High payroll tax rates exacerbate the damage.

Although taxes and spending impose a heavy burden on the economy, Sweden otherwise has a market-oriented economy. The Heritage Foundation's Index of Economic Freedom ranks Sweden as the world's 19th freest economy and the Fraser Institute's Freedom of the World ranks Sweden 24th.8

Sweden is a slow-growth economy. After rising rapidly after World War II, economic performance stagnated once the burden of government reached high levels in the 1970s and 1980s. Since that time, inflation-adjusted growth has averaged less than 3 percent per year.

Unemployment is now a significant problem in Sweden. The official jobless rate is about 8 percent, but independent estimates show the rate is closer to 20 percent.

High taxes and excessive regulations have encouraged many large corporations to leave the country. Many individuals also are escaping the Swedish tax system, ranging from high-net worth entrepreneurs to new college graduates. This combination of capital flight and brain drain does not bode well for the future.

Even the Swedish tax authority tries to avoid Swedish taxes. As noted by the Wall Street Journal, "When it comes to paying taxes itself, the Swedish Tax Authority, responsible for collecting some of the highest in the world, would just as soon keep them as low as possible. It's saving a bundle on the production of slick TV spots that encourage Swedes to file online by producing them in the neighboring free-market, low-tax haven of Estonia. ...Spokesman Björn Tharnstrom told us, "We decided to do it in Tallinn because the costs are lower. One of those costs is taxes, of course."


Despite all these high taxes the Swedish system is getting to the point where it cannot fund it commitments. The Swedish miracle is actual the Swedish myth.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://imgcash6.imageshack.us/img361/8895/palin.jpg

Hilarious! ^5

[Pseudofool]

God I knew someone would bring up Sweden at some point. Always held up as a model the real Sweden has serious issues. Their system is on the way to collapse. Here are some actual data on Sweden.

THE TAX SYSTEM - AN OVERVIEW

Key Features:

Taxes in Sweden consume more than 50 percent of GDP. The aggregate tax burden rose by about 150 percent between 1950 and 1980, but has since that time remained relatively stable. 1

The top marginal income tax rate is about 57 percent. While punitive, the top rate used to be nearly 90 percent in the late 1970s. While the long-term trend is positive, the short-term trend is unfavorable. The top tax rate had fallen to 51 percent immediately after the 1991 reform.

Subnational levels of government play a significant role in the Swedish tax system. The top tax rate on income, for instance, is composed of a 25 percent national tax rate and an average regional/local tax rate of 31.5 percent.

Corporate income tax rates have been reduced. Prior to the 1991 reform, corporations faced a tax rate of 52 percent. The corporate tax rate initially was reduced to 30 percent and since has been reduced to 28 percent. Sweden has a territorial system, meaning companies generally are not taxed on income earned in other nations.

Payroll taxes are a significant burden, totaling nearly 40 percent of income, including a 32.28 percent tax imposed on employers. These taxes finance retirement, sick leave, unemployment, parental leave, and other programs.

Wealth is taxed. Assets are tax-exempt up to SEK 1,500,000 (US$ 205,863)3 per individual. With some variations, the standard tax rate above that level is 1.5 percent. The death tax, however, was abolished in two steps in 2004 and 2005. This radical tax policy move is unusual for a country like Sweden, where high taxes are a way of life.

The value added tax is 25 percent, the maximum rate allowed for European Union nations, but there are preferential rates for several items.

Key Observations:

The tax burden in the Swedish economy tripled between 1950 and 1980. In 1970, when taxes were not much higher than they are in America today, Sweden's GDP per capita ranked fifth in the world4. Since taxes passed 50 percent of GDP the country's overall prosperity has dwindled, and the downturn has been most dramatic in measures of the standard of living. In 1970 Sweden ranked third in OECD for individual consumption, 39 percent above OECD average. By 1995, Sweden barely beat the OECD average, ranking 14th with an individual consumption 1.4 percent above OECD average, and has been stagnant since that time.5

A major tax reform in 1991 significantly lowered the top marginal tax rate to encourage growth. The top rate had peaked at 87 percent in 1979 and then gradually dropped to 65 percent in 1990 before being cut to 51 percent in 1991. Subsequent tax increases have since pushed the rate to about 57 percent.6 High payroll tax rates exacerbate the damage.

Although taxes and spending impose a heavy burden on the economy, Sweden otherwise has a market-oriented economy. The Heritage Foundation's Index of Economic Freedom ranks Sweden as the world's 19th freest economy and the Fraser Institute's Freedom of the World ranks Sweden 24th.8

Sweden is a slow-growth economy. After rising rapidly after World War II, economic performance stagnated once the burden of government reached high levels in the 1970s and 1980s. Since that time, inflation-adjusted growth has averaged less than 3 percent per year.

Unemployment is now a significant problem in Sweden. The official jobless rate is about 8 percent, but independent estimates show the rate is closer to 20 percent.

High taxes and excessive regulations have encouraged many large corporations to leave the country. Many individuals also are escaping the Swedish tax system, ranging from high-net worth entrepreneurs to new college graduates. This combination of capital flight and brain drain does not bode well for the future.

Even the Swedish tax authority tries to avoid Swedish taxes. As noted by the Wall Street Journal, "When it comes to paying taxes itself, the Swedish Tax Authority, responsible for collecting some of the highest in the world, would just as soon keep them as low as possible. It's saving a bundle on the production of slick TV spots that encourage Swedes to file online by producing them in the neighboring free-market, low-tax haven of Estonia. ...Spokesman Björn Tharnstrom told us, "We decided to do it in Tallinn because the costs are lower. One of those costs is taxes, of course."


Despite all these high taxes the Swedish system is getting to the point where it cannot fund it commitments. The Swedish miracle is actual the Swedish myth.Link? You didn't write this. (More Heritage foundation crap, I'm guessing).

[JJJ]

Link? You didn't write this. (More Heritage foundation crap, I'm guessing).

http://www.freedomandprosperity.org/Papers/sweden/sweden.pdf

[Florida_Bronco]

Hilarious! ^5

I was hoping for an animated version, but this will have to do. :rofl:

[bombay]

good riddance

[ghwk]

I graduated from Dimond too and lived in the state my entire life. I know Sarah and politics pretty well. My guess is that in the immediate future she's getting ready to to go on a warpath. She makes roadkill out of liberals better than anyone on the scene and enjoys doing it. There's not much difference between a pig and Sarah when it comes to enjoying a little roll in the mud. She's a liberals worst nightmare.

Also, Sarah is bigger than Alaska and this country needs her to try and stop Obama from ****ing everything up. Being an employed Governor restricts her from unleashing. There is important legislation this fall coming up in the Senate. If the Cap and Trade legislation passes the Senate, this country will be ****ed, intentionally ****ed by the Obama and the leftist scum.

You will likely see her making speeches to various groups that are willing to pay her some good money. There is a pretty good chance that her family needs money due to her fighting and successfully defending herself against countless frivolous ethics complaints. The Palin's are not a rich family and the $500k in legal bills could be killing them.

Watch the heads start to roll. This is going to get good.

It's going to get good--but not in the way you are thinking.

[Florida_Bronco]

It's going to get good--but not in the way you are thinking.

I had to laugh over the "roadkill" comment. She had her chance to do that during the election and looked like a deer in the headlights while she was getting her ass handed to her, yet now she's "on the warpath."

Give me a break.

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

I expect a president not to spend trillions of dollars and run up the deficit, and as a result of his actions the economy continues to take a giant dump.

http://politicaldemotivation.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/george_w_bush.jpg

[mizzoutigers]

you can make fun of palin's daughter all you want with the pull out comment but at least you can be assured she won't be living off the government like all the inner city scum bags that continue to have kids in order to get a salary raise from the government

[ghwk]

you can make fun of palin's daughter all you want with the pull out comment but at least you can be assured she won't be living off the government like all the inner city scum bags that continue to have kids in order to get a salary raise from the government

Ah another well informed opinion supported by hot air. It's impressive that you are such a student of human behavior and the socio-economics of why low income "inner city scumbags" have kids.

I can also rest assured that Palins daughter will never have to face the kinds of choices "inner city scumbags" face as well, she is coming from a family of relative means and wealth or did you not really have to think about that part.

Look you only have 29 posts here maybe you should just stop now before you get further behind.

[mizzoutigers]

since you are such a veteran on here; tell you what - remove the inner cities in this country and let's see what happens to crime and the tax burden; try to spin that.

[ghwk]

Ok genius why don't you enlighten the entire mane on how this can be done? Surely you have the solution that has eluded the country for the last 200 years.

[Spider]

since you are such a veteran on here; tell you what - remove the inner cities in this country and let's see what happens to crime and the tax burden; try to spin that.

building and streets ? or just people ?

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

Ok genius why don't you enlighten the entire mane on how this can be done? Surely you have the solution that has eluded the country for the last 200 years.

One word: Bulldozers.

[ghwk]

Texas is in the best shape in the country economy out of all the states...and it is run by (gasp) republicans who (gasp) oppose taxes.

Meanwhile if you look at California where they tax you to death and they are broke to the point they are issuing IOU's. Pretty sad state of affairs over there.

Texas doesn't look so good according to this:

The Texas Bush left behind leads the nation in crime, pollution and poverty. It trails the nation in education, quality of life, and the environment. American education has deteriorated inversely with the rise of right wing politics! An example is 'Texas' and every child that Bush left behind. Texas beats out Mississippi for DEAD LAST in high school graduations at the same time that it LEADS the nation in executions due to the state's extremely high crime rate!

http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2008/01/texas-gulag-wasteland-bush-left-behind.html