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SoCalBronco
07-01-2009, 10:17 PM
First day of FA. Some thoughts.

1. WTF is Bob Gainey doing?

2. Hossa to CHI on 12-year deal. Enjoy your Western Conference title, Mr. Killericon. Here comes a repeat of the 92 SCF, Pens beat Hawks. Sweet. :)

3. Rags continue to pay for big names. If Gaborik can stay healthy, though, its a nice shot in the arm for that weak ass offense.

4. Very good 2 year deal for Herc's Caps with Mike Knuble.

BroncoMan4ever
07-02-2009, 01:50 AM
i like that Colorado went after a Goalie right away. and the guy they got Anderson seems like a good backup. but we need a true starting Goalie.

Baba Booey
07-02-2009, 02:25 AM
Anderson showed that he might have the potential to be a halfway decent starter.

It's a start for you guys.

LOL @ Gainey so far. 5 million for Gionta's 20 goals, not to mention getting hosed in the Gomez deal. I like the Cammalleri move, though.

Devils haven't done anything yet but I kind of like it. Madden was old, Gionta has missed Gomez, and Mike Rupp, although a solid fourth liner, can be replaced (you're welcome SoCal).

It's going to be a young Devils team next season but we have a solid core with guys like Parise, Elias, Zajac, and Langenbrunner so I can't wait.

Killericon
07-02-2009, 02:38 AM
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I love hearing people say "Now they can't afford to lock up Kane and Toews"...Yeah, cause a 5.1 cap hit is SO demanding. I did hear a good joke about him, though.

So, since Chicago is so ramped about the Hossa signing, Chiacgo area Starbucks are offering the "Hossa Special". If you ask for it, you get your Coffee without the cup.

Yeah, this is rad. Versteeg, Buff, Bolland, Kane, Toews, Sharp, and Hossa is a pretty good corps of forwards if you ask me. I'd like to see them get a Zubov, but even if they stay pat(with their 11 million in cap room), they're great. Ahhhh...Life's finally good to be a Blackhawks fan. I remember way back when my avatar on here had Ruutu, Havlat and Handzus, as if that was the line that was gonna solve everything.

As far as the hometown Flames go, Bouw is great. Not replacing either Bertuzzi OR Cammy is not. Oh well.

Also, I was floored that Gaborik didn't sign with Vancouver. He bought a house there and his BFF Pavol plays there. Oh well.

Baba Booey
07-02-2009, 02:41 AM
Yeah the Blackhawks are pretty set. Don't listen to morons that don't look at the numbers before they criticize signings.

Killericon
07-02-2009, 02:48 AM
How does the cap work, anyways? I heard, and have seen evidence(Kipprusoff's contract), that the cap hit is calculated at the beginning of each season by taking the total $ remaining and dividing it by the seasons remaining...I.E. If I sign player X to a 6 year deal worth $60 million, and pay him 30 in the first year, then his cap hit for year one is $10 million, and then $6 million the subsequent season. If so(I think that's right...) then Hossa is a crazy steal.

Also, playing the line of Cammy-Gomez-Gionta is a thought that makes Zdeno Chara's pants tighten.

24champ
07-02-2009, 02:58 AM
1. WTF is Bob Gainey doing?

I don't know, a lot of these teams are going to be in cap hell, once that cap goes down. Most teams are going to have to offload contracts in the next couple of years.


2. Hossa to CHI on 12-year deal. Enjoy your Western Conference title, Mr. Killericon. Here comes a repeat of the 92 SCF, Pens beat Hawks. Sweet.

He was extremely close to being a King! Check this out...

Obviously we went into this for wingers. Like I've said, it's one of the positives of being in our situation now, as opposed to three years ago, when we were looking for everything and signing seven guys. The No. 1 guy we targeted was Hossa. I got permission to talk to Hossa at the draft. There were three teams, us and two others. Detroit gave me permission, and we started the dialogue at that time. Detroit, if he got signed, they would get compensation. We met with his agent there, at that time, and he was interested in L.A. He said he thinks we could be the next Chicago. But he said, `That's down the road,' and that's fair, that's realistic. He said it was important to go to a 100-point team. I said, `I don't know if we can guarantee that, but you're the type of player we're prepared to commit to.' He was the one player we thought was a top player. I don't know that he's a `mail carrier' type guy, but he's still a top player.

``That dialogue continued until July 1. He was throwing (contract) numbers out there, but it was very vague in terms of numbers. We talked again last night and I got the sense that this was probably going in a different direction. I said, `What would it take?' but we never really got an answer. I think he had his eye on something else already. We thought it was Boston. He told us this morning that it was probably unlikely that he would come here. It wasn't really the 12-year term that got us out of it. It never got to that point. Part of this is that you're frustrated, but the other part is that you want guys like that. I've always said you want guys who want to win first. And you look at Chicago, where they've come in the last seven drafts and where they're at. Chicago, it took six years; we're three years in. That's the process they went through, and then they broke through. We're hoping that if we break through like they did, we can compete (for players) at that level. We were prepared to talk about the cash and the 12 years.
'
http://www.insidesocal.com/kings/2009/07/lombardi-july-1-quotes.html



That's fine, I really don't like giving players 12 year contracts.

Killericon
07-02-2009, 03:15 AM
That's fine, I really don't like giving players 12 year contracts.

Naw, see, the payment is front loaded. So most of Hossa's payment is occuring early on, so when it comes time to buy out Hossa' deal when he's 36, it'll cost the Hawks maybe a few million. It's genius. The Red Wings sure know how to do business.

alkemical
07-02-2009, 06:29 AM
I don't know, a lot of these teams are going to be in cap hell, once that cap goes down. Most teams are going to have to offload contracts in the next couple of years.




He was extremely close to being a King! Check this out...


http://www.insidesocal.com/kings/2009/07/lombardi-july-1-quotes.html



That's fine, I really don't like giving players 12 year contracts.


I dunno, i would have been fine with malkin or crosby at a 12 year deal.

gyldenlove
07-02-2009, 07:50 AM
How does the cap work, anyways? I heard, and have seen evidence(Kipprusoff's contract), that the cap hit is calculated at the beginning of each season by taking the total $ remaining and dividing it by the seasons remaining...I.E. If I sign player X to a 6 year deal worth $60 million, and pay him 30 in the first year, then his cap hit for year one is $10 million, and then $6 million the subsequent season. If so(I think that's right...) then Hossa is a crazy steal.

Also, playing the line of Cammy-Gomez-Gionta is a thought that makes Zdeno Chara's pants tighten.

You take the total value of the contract and divide by the length and apply the same amount to each year. The cap hit never changes, so Hossa's cap hit will be lower than his salary for the first number of years and then higher than his salaries for the last.

ElwayMD
07-02-2009, 08:11 AM
So now Hossa has to look at the Cup in a Hawks sweater? Poor fella! :)

Smiling Assassin27
07-02-2009, 08:40 AM
So now Hossa has to look at the Cup in a Hawks sweater? Poor fella! :)


They've got a gaping hole in goal. Huet's a dog. They'd best enjoy this one shot at glory, as the cap is gonna boomerang them in 2010. As a Wings fan, I still see them with the best defense in the West and the only team that can lose a 40 goal scorer and still contend for the Cup this year. Depth is still there in Detroit with some young blood coming up this year (Helm, Ericsson, Leino, Meech) but we will miss Samuelsson (unless he stays for a hometown discount).

Wings will have about 12 mil to play with in 2010, so we can wait patiently, Mr. Holland.

gyldenlove
07-02-2009, 09:39 AM
They've got a gaping hole in goal. Huet's a dog. They'd best enjoy this one shot at glory, as the cap is gonna boomerang them in 2010. As a Wings fan, I still see them with the best defense in the West and the only team that can lose a 40 goal scorer and still contend for the Cup this year. Depth is still there in Detroit with some young blood coming up this year (Helm, Ericsson, Leino, Meech) but we will miss Samuelsson (unless he stays for a hometown discount).

Wings will have about 12 mil to play with in 2010, so we can wait patiently, Mr. Holland.

I guess right now the Wings have about 5.5 mill for 2009 to use on Hudler and Samuelson if they want to. At least one of the two will stay, and my feeling is Samuelson.

The defense seems set with Lidstrom, Rafalski, Kronwall, Stuart, Lilja, Meech, Ericsson and Lebda.

On offense, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Filppula, Franzen, Holmstrom, Cleary, Leino, Helm, Draper, Maltby are all on board. That leaves 2 gaps, I believe those will be filled by Hudler and Samuelson. I would say there is a chance that Meech or Lilja gets shipped out for a veteran forward, but we will see.

24champ
07-02-2009, 10:09 AM
I dunno, i would have been fine with malkin or crosby at a 12 year deal.

Kings can't dole out 12 year contracts, much less 10 year contracts. They best Dean could have offered Hossa was 7 years due to the fact the laws in California restrict it, so he probably was going to pay a little more per year for a shorter 7 yr contract...California law prohibits any contracts for personal services over 7 years.

For example...

Anze Kopitar signed a 7 year deal last season.
Barry Zito signed for 7 years with the SF Giants.
Gretzky signed for 7 years and then extended it later.
Shaq- Signed a 7 year contract worth 120 million with the Lakers.


If it was possible, I would definitely sign Malkin to a 12 yr contract.

Smiling Assassin27
07-02-2009, 10:26 AM
I guess right now the Wings have about 5.5 mill for 2009 to use on Hudler and Samuelson if they want to. At least one of the two will stay, and my feeling is Samuelson.

The defense seems set with Lidstrom, Rafalski, Kronwall, Stuart, Lilja, Meech, Ericsson and Lebda.

On offense, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Filppula, Franzen, Holmstrom, Cleary, Leino, Helm, Draper, Maltby are all on board. That leaves 2 gaps, I believe those will be filled by Hudler and Samuelson. I would say there is a chance that Meech or Lilja gets shipped out for a veteran forward, but we will see.

I dont see Holland committing more than 1-1.5 mil for SAmmy and I think he's already got offers above that elsewhere. The only way he stays is if he takes a hometown discount, but I think he's gone. Hudler might ask for mil a year but he's a RFA so won't be going anywhere, IMO. I see one D being traded in the Fall and some will depend on whether Lilja's head is right or not. Man, I sure wish we had Quincey still. Don't look now, but we may see the second coming of Bertuzzi if we can get him in around 1 mil.

Like Holland said, our July 1 was in January when we signed Z and Mule for hometown discounts.

gyldenlove
07-02-2009, 10:38 AM
I dont see Holland committing more than 1-1.5 mil for SAmmy and I think he's already got offers above that elsewhere. The only way he stays is if he takes a hometown discount, but I think he's gone. Hudler might ask for mil a year but he's a RFA so won't be going anywhere, IMO. I see one D being traded in the Fall and some will depend on whether Lilja's head is right or not. Man, I sure wish we had Quincey still. Don't look now, but we may see the second coming of Bertuzzi if we can get him in around 1 mil.

Like Holland said, our July 1 was in January when we signed Z and Mule for hometown discounts.

I don't see Bertuzzi coming back, I am pretty sure Holland is not the type to go back to a dud.

Hudler could see an offer sheet in the 3 million per year for 4 years region if we do not get him signed.

Sammy will get about 1.75 per for 4 years.

I think we could take a chance on any of a number of "under" performers who could do with a good year and a shot at UFA again next year, like Ales Kotalik, Tanguay or Kovalev, basicly someone without a cup whom the team can use as motivation, or maybe a Travis Moen to replace Maltby down the line.

TonyR
07-02-2009, 10:41 AM
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is there to hear it, does it make a sound?

Smiling Assassin27
07-02-2009, 10:49 AM
I don't see Bertuzzi coming back, I am pretty sure Holland is not the type to go back to a dud.

Hudler could see an offer sheet in the 3 million per year for 4 years region if we do not get him signed.

Sammy will get about 1.75 per for 4 years.

I think we could take a chance on any of a number of "under" performers who could do with a good year and a shot at UFA again next year, like Ales Kotalik, Tanguay or Kovalev, basicly someone without a cup whom the team can use as motivation, or maybe a Travis Moen to replace Maltby down the line.

Moen or Chad Larose would be nice. I just can't see Huds getting that kind of offer. He's small and gets knocked off the puck too easily, though he could make a non-Wings roster as a 2nd liner, i guess.

gyldenlove
07-02-2009, 10:53 AM
If someone can pay Jeff Finger 4 mill per for 4 years and Sheldon Souray 5+ per, someone can Hudler 3+, he is better than either those players and a power play specialist.

24champ
07-02-2009, 11:10 AM
I sure wish we had Quincey still.

Thanks wingies! :welcome:

http://bleacherreport.com/images_root/image_pictures/0175/3388/4674_feature.jpg

Smiling Assassin27
07-02-2009, 11:29 AM
Thanks wingies! :welcome:

http://bleacherreport.com/images_root/image_pictures/0175/3388/4674_feature.jpg

:notthissh

Killericon
07-02-2009, 12:38 PM
You take the total value of the contract and divide by the length and apply the same amount to each year. The cap hit never changes, so Hossa's cap hit will be lower than his salary for the first number of years and then higher than his salaries for the last.

Weird...Kipper's number keep going down.

In any event, I disagree with whoever said Huet is a dog. Sure, he's not great, but neither was Khabibulin. I think the Hawks are in great shape.

Smiling Assassin27
07-02-2009, 12:42 PM
Weird...Kipper's number keep going down.

In any event, I disagree with whoever said Huet is a dog. Sure, he's not great, but neither was Khabibulin. I think the Hawks are in great shape.

Huet is no Habi, IMO. Dude is the second coming of Theodore--a one year wonder. He's got game and he showed it in games 4 and 5 of the Wings series, but he also can utterly collapse for games at a time. A weak spot for the Hawks, IMO. Other than that, they're armed for a run at a division title this year, for sure.

gyldenlove
07-02-2009, 12:47 PM
Weird...Kipper's number keep going down.

In any event, I disagree with whoever said Huet is a dog. Sure, he's not great, but neither was Khabibulin. I think the Hawks are in great shape.

2008-09 Year 1: $8.5 mil
2009-10 Year 2: $7.0 mil
2010-11 Year 3: $7.0 mil
2011-12 Year 4: $6.0 mil
2012-13 Year 5: $5.0 mil
2013-14 Year 6: $1.5 mil
Cap Hit: $5.83 per year

Above is Kiprusoff's yearly salaries, and his cap hit (35mill/6years=5.8mill)

broncosteven
07-02-2009, 12:51 PM
They've got a gaping hole in goal. Huet's a dog. They'd best enjoy this one shot at glory, as the cap is gonna boomerang them in 2010. As a Wings fan, I still see them with the best defense in the West and the only team that can lose a 40 goal scorer and still contend for the Cup this year. Depth is still there in Detroit with some young blood coming up this year (Helm, Ericsson, Leino, Meech) but we will miss Samuelsson (unless he stays for a hometown discount).

Wings will have about 12 mil to play with in 2010, so we can wait patiently, Mr. Holland.

Huet is fine, Hawks are making all the right moves, I would like one more big Defenseman not named Chris Chellios.

Killericon
07-02-2009, 02:05 PM
Above is Kiprusoff's yearly salaries, and his cap hit (35mill/6years=5.8mill)

Well alrighty then. In any event 5.1 a year for Hossa is a good deal.

24champ
07-02-2009, 03:33 PM
The Kings have reached a deal on a four-year contract with Rob Scuderi. Contract numbers haven't been tracked down yet, but given that Rob Rossi is one of the best beat writers around, I'd say $3.4 million per year is most likely an accurate figure. -Rich Hammond.

SoCalBronco
07-02-2009, 04:46 PM
The Kings have reached a deal on a four-year contract with Rob Scuderi. Contract numbers haven't been tracked down yet, but given that Rob Rossi is one of the best beat writers around, I'd say $3.4 million per year is most likely an accurate figure. -Rich Hammond.

Damn. I was hoping we could keep Scuds, but we're pressed up against the cap. He's grown into a fine defensive defenseman and a great PK'er. Good signing for you, 24.

I guess this means that we'll probably have enough money to keep Fedotenko now that the 2m they allotted to resigning Scuds is freed up.

Bronx33
07-02-2009, 04:50 PM
Anderson showed that he might have the potential to be a halfway decent starter.

It's a start for you guys.

LOL @ Gainey so far. 5 million for Gionta's 20 goals, not to mention getting hosed in the Gomez deal. I like the Cammalleri move, though.

Devils haven't done anything yet but I kind of like it. Madden was old, Gionta has missed Gomez, and Mike Rupp, although a solid fourth liner, can be replaced (you're welcome SoCal).

It's going to be a young Devils team next season but we have a solid core with guys like Parise, Elias, Zajac, and Langenbrunner so I can't wait.


Ya know all the avs need is a halfway decent starter inconsistancy in the goaltending dept killed us last year we really didn't have a tough time scoring ( keeping the lead was)

24champ
07-02-2009, 11:51 PM
Damn. I was hoping we could keep Scuds, but we're pressed up against the cap. He's grown into a fine defensive defenseman and a great PK'er. Good signing for you, 24.

I guess this means that we'll probably have enough money to keep Fedotenko now that the 2m they allotted to resigning Scuds is freed up.

Scuds said he wanted to play for the Kings because Bernier is 100x better than MAF. :approve:

gyldenlove
07-03-2009, 11:27 AM
2.5 mill per for 3 years for Samuelson, that is pretty steep.

SoCalBronco
07-03-2009, 06:34 PM
Pens resign Ruslan Fedotenko to a 1 year deal for only 1.8 million. Top two scoring lines will remain intact.

maher_tyler
07-03-2009, 06:55 PM
i like that Colorado went after a Goalie right away. and the guy they got Anderson seems like a good backup. but we need a true starting Goalie.

Can't be any worse the what we had last year, i think he'll have an above average year.

maher_tyler
07-03-2009, 07:06 PM
Ya know all the avs need is a halfway decent starter inconsistancy in the goaltending dept killed us last year we really didn't have a tough time scoring ( keeping the lead was)

Tough time scoring?? Our top scorer had a whopping 59 points!! Cody McLeod was 3rd on the team in goals with 15!! We were pathetic last year all the way around!!

Punisher
07-03-2009, 07:08 PM
The Flyers are having A pretty good FAs

maher_tyler
07-03-2009, 10:12 PM
Smyth Traded to LA!!!

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283667

SoCalBronco
07-03-2009, 10:13 PM
Eklund is now jumping on the JMFJ to PIT rumor just because he's Sid's friend.

I don't know where they are getting this from. We don't have that kind of money. They prolly have about 2m left to spend on the defense and they are trying to get McKee to take that.

Bronx33
07-03-2009, 10:14 PM
Smyth Traded to LA!!!

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283667

Sweet!! Quincey has serious potential!

SoCalBronco
07-03-2009, 10:16 PM
Kings acquire Ryan Smyth from the Avs for Quincey, Preissing and a 5th.

24, I wonder if Dean is going to be walking bowlegged for the next couple days, because he just got assraped by Colorado. I can't believe they found someone to take that salary.

Bronx33
07-03-2009, 10:18 PM
Thanks wingies! :welcome:

http://bleacherreport.com/images_root/image_pictures/0175/3388/4674_feature.jpg


Thanks kingies :wiggle:

maher_tyler
07-03-2009, 10:22 PM
Thanks kingies :wiggle:

LOL

SoCalBronco
07-03-2009, 10:53 PM
Wow...God really does hate Marian Hossa. Buckle up, killericon.

Sources tell TSN the NHL and the NHLPA are investigating what might have been an enormous mistake by the Chicago Blackhawks.

Chicago tendered qualifying offers to several key players this week, including Kris Versteeg, Cam Barker, Ben Eager, Colin Fraser, Aaron Johnson and Troy Brouwer, however the investigation underway is to determine whether the qualifying offers were filed correctly.

If not, there is the remote possibility the qualifying offers could be ruled invalid and the players listed above, conceivably, could be deemed unrestricted free agents because of the blunder.

There are few details, but one source says the players involved didn't receive the necessary notification of the offers.

The National Hockey League is in the process of trying to determine whether the situation was remedied in time.

Chicago general manager Dale Tallon says the qualifying offers were mailed to the players in time, on June 29th, but says because of the July 1 holiday, some of the players didn't receive them in time.

Additional sources say qualifying offers are not supposed to be mailed.

Overnight delivery via courier and direct fax to the players agent is preferred and certified or registered mail is acceptable only if the other means are unavailable.

Tallon says fax copies of the offers were sent to the league, so he doesn't anticipate any significant fall out.

However, sources say some of the qualifying offers were not faxed to the agents.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283634

The article mentions that UFA status for the players could be a "remote" possibility, but a similar thing happened awhile back in NJ and the players involved were in fact deemed UFA.

Killericon
07-03-2009, 10:54 PM
Yeah...If that turns out to be true, I'm just gonna cry. Like, losing Versteeg and Barker certainly doesn't cripple the Hawks, but what a **** up.

SoCalBronco
07-03-2009, 10:59 PM
Yeah...If that turns out to be true, I'm just gonna cry. Like, losing Versteeg and Barker certainly doesn't cripple the Hawks, but what a **** up.

It would be a very unfair result for just a technicality, but the NJ precedent is a problem. Hopefully it gets squared away without any harm for you guys.

Killericon
07-03-2009, 11:10 PM
It would be a very unfair result for just a technicality, but the NJ precedent is a problem. Hopefully it gets squared away without any harm for you guys.

Lets hope so.

In other news, the Kings overpaid, IMO, but he fits great.

BroncoMan4ever
07-03-2009, 11:48 PM
i am shocked the Avs were able to rid themselves of Smyth's contract and get 2 good young Defensemen and a 5th round pick. the Kings got a good player, but they also really helped the Avs out a lot.

24champ
07-04-2009, 01:14 AM
Kings acquire Ryan Smyth from the Avs for Quincey, Preissing and a 5th.

24, I wonder if Dean is going to be walking bowlegged for the next couple days, because he just got assraped by Colorado. I can't believe they found someone to take that salary.

No we didn't get "assraped". It's the other way around actually. Not a homer... Look I've said before I don't like Smyth's contract. Looks like Adrian Dater is 100 percent correct, he said Kroenke is shedding payroll big time. Salei and others might get dumped too.That's about the only thing I don't like about this trade is Smyth's contract. That being said, we gave up peanuts for a player like Smyth. This was almost comparable to the Pau Gasol trade for the Lakers. Let's keep in mind that the Kings NEEDED a left-winger so bad. Left wing was our biggest need this offseason. We filled it with Smyth. A gritty top-6 player.

We went after Gaborik but the Rangers offered way to much for him so we weren't going to outbid that offer. Now back to the trade, does it suck to give up Kyle Quincey? You bet. That being said though, we are pretty deep in the pipeline with defense. You have Hickey, Teubert, Voinov, Drewiske et al. Not to mention we just signed Scuds. We could still sign Beauchemin as well.

So it's not a huge loss. Quincey was expendable, doesn't make him a crappy player. He is very good at moving the puck, doesn't make many mistakes. Young player. This deal was essentially Quincey for Smith straight up. Colorado is in rebuild mode, new regime coming in and the possibility of Sakic retiring is pretty good. So getting a young Dman like Quincey is good building block for them. The downside for the Avs? Quincey had back surgery last season. Also Quincey's contract is up next year, he is due for a pay raise. So that made him even more expendable.

Far as Preissing goes...I don't believe Preissing will do anything for the Avalanche, I'm surprised he got moved actually. He has health issues, he had vertigo, and was considered untradeable this offseason. So that's one contract we dumped to the Avalanche. They can have it, and it works out for Preissing. He went to Colorado College, and lives up in Steamboat in the offseason. So it might work, but I have serious doubts.

The fifth round pick is a toss in, we have a lot of picks next year. So I am not worried about losing a fifth pick.

In the grand scheme of things...Kings win the trade by a mile.

24champ
07-04-2009, 01:17 AM
I wonder if Dean is going to be walking bowlegged for the next couple days, because he just got assraped by Colorado.

Av fans crying about it...I think they will be walking around bowlegged for 4th of July festivities tomorrow.

The only people walking around bowlegged are Av fans...

You gotta be f’n kidding me. Quincey, Preissing and a 5th. Straight salary dump! Keep charging those outrageous ticket prices….

The Avalanche just lost a paying customer. Kroenke wanted to cut salary but this deal is inexcusable. I refuse to pay top 5 ticket prices in the league when this is how management will be handling the team.

Preissing, Quincey..what a joke..the Av’s are like watching a slow motion trainwreck…one bad decision after another…..do you not think they could have done this at last years or this years trade deadline and get something of value???? I need to switch teams

This deal is awful anyway you slice it. Sure some people didn’t like his salary, but we could have and should have gotten one of the many good prospects that LA has and something much higher than a 5th round pick. I’m so frustrated right now.

nooooo! who the heck are these players? i would have thought we would have got something more recognizable for captain canada

Kroenke please just sell the team now.

How anyone could be happy about this trade is baffling. From a pure hockey perspective this is a terrible…terrible trade.


:wave:

24champ
07-04-2009, 02:16 AM
Lets hope so.

In other news, the Kings overpaid, IMO, but he fits great.

I don't think we overpaid...not at all. I specifically remember that Avalanche wanting Teubert, Bernier and draft pick for Smyth at the deadline. Hell just look at this thread on HF dude-

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=659640

They thought they were getting JMFJ and/or Bernier for Smyth. When they found out it was for Quincey, Preissing, and 5th round pick. They went apesheet over there. Someone wanted Kroenke to die in a fire. Pretty brutal.


Anyway, I'm pretty stoked...Kings are going to be a very nasty team to play against next year. I for one think it is about time we can start shoving other teams around. With the addition of Smyth aka Captain Canada, we have Jack Johnson, Dustin Brown, Greene, Scuds,Simmonds, Justin Williams, and our enforcer Ivanans. Those are very tough hockey players to complement Frolov, Kopitar, Stoll (Smyth and Stoll had GREAT chemistry in EDM) etc.



Quote of the night: "Turns out the Kings want to acquire forwards, but rather than shopping some of their incredible prospect depth are shopping their incredible waiver pickup and healthy scratch depth. If you can swing it, and they have, that's a great system for the Kings."

Killericon
07-04-2009, 02:53 AM
I don't think we overpaid...not at all. I specifically remember that Avalanche wanting Teubert, Bernier and draft pick for Smyth at the deadline. Hell just look at this thread on HF dude-

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=659640

They thought they were getting JMFJ and/or Bernier for Smyth. When they found out it was for Quincey, Preissing, and 5th round pick. They went apesheet over there. Someone wanted Kroenke to die in a fire. Pretty brutal.


Anyway, I'm pretty stoked...Kings are going to be a very nasty team to play against next year. I for one think it is about time we can start shoving other teams around. With the addition of Smyth aka Captain Canada, we have Jack Johnson, Dustin Brown, Greene, Scuds,Simmonds, Justin Williams, and our enforcer Ivanans. Those are very tough hockey players to complement Frolov, Kopitar, Stoll (Smyth and Stoll had GREAT chemistry in EDM) etc.



Quote of the night: "Turns out the Kings want to acquire forwards, but rather than shopping some of their incredible prospect depth are shopping their incredible waiver pickup and healthy scratch depth. If you can swing it, and they have, that's a great system for the Kings."

Well, from my perspective of what Colorado's perspective is, I would assume they just wanted to get the hell rid of his contract. I dunno, maybe I overvalue Quincey, but I think Smyth was pretty much entirely a contract dump for the Avs.

Havign said that, Smyth's a great fit for you. You think he wears the C?

24champ
07-04-2009, 03:01 AM
Well, from my perspective of what Colorado's perspective is, I would assume they just wanted to get the hell rid of his contract. I dunno, maybe I overvalue Quincey, but I think Smyth was pretty much entirely a contract dump for the Avs.

Havign said that, Smyth's a great fit for you. You think he wears the C?

It definitely was a contract dump, but the Kings dumped Preissing's bad contract as well, who had vertigo this past season...a serious issue.

No I don't think Smyth wears the C, that will stay with Brown. Smyth might be an alternate captain though.

alkemical
07-04-2009, 06:13 AM
Damn. I was hoping we could keep Scuds, but we're pressed up against the cap. He's grown into a fine defensive defenseman and a great PK'er. Good signing for you, 24.

I guess this means that we'll probably have enough money to keep Fedotenko now that the 2m they allotted to resigning Scuds is freed up.

yep. i wanted to keep him too...but i think hes a bit overpaid.

orpik - goligoski - letang -

gonch and his $5/yer contract is up this year. i think lovejoy or sneep is coming up.

gyldenlove
07-04-2009, 09:40 AM
Good deal for the Avalanche, Smyth is badly overrated and though he provides some leadership, on a team like Colorado it is just not needed that much. Quincey is solid and can play a 2nd pairing with Hannan or some other stay at home type, he is strong on the Power play too. Preissing is a salary dump for LA who will never live up to the one good year he had in Ottawa.

24champ
07-04-2009, 11:36 AM
Good deal for the Avalanche, Smyth is badly overrated and though he provides some leadership, on a team like Colorado it is just not needed that much.

Wait so who is leading the Avalanche if it's not Smyth, Sakic, Ian Lapierre, Guite etc.? If the Avs are smart, they won't bring up Duchene for a season or two. He might get ruined...

And lets not forget Smyth waived his NTC...he really wanted to gtfo of dodge. Avalanche are in for some hard times.

boppool
07-04-2009, 12:49 PM
Good deal for the Avalanche, Smyth is badly overrated and though he provides some leadership, on a team like Colorado it is just not needed that much. Quincey is solid and can play a 2nd pairing with Hannan or some other stay at home type, he is strong on the Power play too. Preissing is a salary dump for LA who will never live up to the one good year he had in Ottawa.

I have no problem in getting rid of Smyth's heavy salary, but Quincey had a one good year after being cut by Detroit. Preissing and 5th round don't mean jack.

SoCalBronco
07-04-2009, 12:59 PM
yep. i wanted to keep him too...but i think hes a bit overpaid.

orpik - goligoski - letang -

gonch and his $5/yer contract is up this year. i think lovejoy or sneep is coming up.

Strait just signed a contract with the club, but I suspect he'll need to get some seasoning at WBS for a year or two. I think he's a little ahead of Sneep. Lovejoy could be the 6th defenseman, although I would prefer McKee if he would sign a 1 yr. deal for 2m. Right now, it looks like

Gonchar-Orpik
Letang-Eaton
Goligoski-???

If they can get McKee that would be great. Then we'd have a nice puckmover as well as a steady defenseman on each pairing. I don't know what they are going to do about Sarge next year. On one hand, they need that 5m freed up as the salaries escalate and the cap maybe goes down, but he's worth so much to this team. I think the team hopes Letang or Goligoski will be ready to QB the PP by that time, but I don't know if that's realistic. Both of them should eventually be terrific offensive defenseman. Letang is almost there, already. He had over 30 points in the regular season and averaged over a half point a game in the postseason. I suspect he'll be a guy that can put up 45-50 a year with a little more work.

BroncoMan4ever
07-04-2009, 01:56 PM
Wait so who is leading the Avalanche if it's not Smyth, Sakic, Ian Lapierre, Guite etc.? If the Avs are smart, they won't bring up Duchene for a season or two. He might get ruined...

And lets not forget Smyth waived his NTC...he really wanted to gtfo of dodge. Avalanche are in for some hard times.

if Sakic retires, i believe the team leader becomes either Hejduk, because of his lengevity with the team, or Stastny, because as it stands right now, he is the best player on the team

maher_tyler
07-04-2009, 07:51 PM
Wait so who is leading the Avalanche if it's not Smyth, Sakic, Ian Lapierre, Guite etc.? If the Avs are smart, they won't bring up Duchene for a season or two. He might get ruined...

And lets not forget Smyth waived his NTC...he really wanted to gtfo of dodge. Avalanche are in for some hard times.

I liked/like Smyth but he didn't live up to my expectations...as far as i'm concerned, you can have him and his 54 pts average the last 3 seasons. He's worth more like 4-5 mil/season not 6 mil+/season.

Also, Minny signed Havlat.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283637

gyldenlove
07-04-2009, 07:55 PM
Wait so who is leading the Avalanche if it's not Smyth, Sakic, Ian Lapierre, Guite etc.? If the Avs are smart, they won't bring up Duchene for a season or two. He might get ruined...

And lets not forget Smyth waived his NTC...he really wanted to gtfo of dodge. Avalanche are in for some hard times.

Adam Foote? seems like a logical choice to me.

gyldenlove
07-04-2009, 07:57 PM
I have no problem in getting rid of Smyth's heavy salary, but Quincey had a one good year after being cut by Detroit. Preissing and 5th round don't mean jack.

Quincey never got a shot in Detroit, but they liked him. His good year in LA is not an aberration, that is his level.

maher_tyler
07-04-2009, 08:18 PM
Adam Foote? seems like a logical choice to me.

Sakic isn't going to retire until next year so...

gyldenlove
07-04-2009, 08:29 PM
Sakic isn't going to retire until next year so...

Which is a moot point unless the Avs have gotten him full service snow removal....

maher_tyler
07-04-2009, 09:34 PM
Which is a moot point unless the Avs have gotten him full service snow removal....

LOL

Dukes
07-04-2009, 11:38 PM
Wait so who is leading the Avalanche if it's not Smyth, Sakic, Ian Lapierre, Guite etc.? If the Avs are smart, they won't bring up Duchene for a season or two. He might get ruined...

And lets not forget Smyth waived his NTC...he really wanted to gtfo of dodge. Avalanche are in for some hard times.

My guess is Stastny will take over. We'll find out soon though.

Bronx33
07-05-2009, 09:41 AM
Av fans crying about it...I think they will be walking around bowlegged for 4th of July festivities tomorrow.

The only people walking around bowlegged are Av fans...


It goes the other way too ;D

Kings board

[QUOTE]I have a bad feeling about this one.

Is this real life?

Originally Posted by KGpens
On the main board:

Avs blog:

Quote:
Early word is that Kyle Quincey part of package coming back…


NOOOOOOOO. NO. .....no. No. NoooooOOOOooooOO



Quote:
Originally Posted by KGpens
Pressing, Quincey and a 5th round pick next year is the deal coming back, total deal.
http://blogs.denverpost.com/avs/

That CAN'T be right


And i love to youth movement ( for the future ) hopefully smyth stays healthy for ya i love his style of play.

24champ
07-05-2009, 03:08 PM
And i love to youth movement ( for the future ) hopefully smyth stays healthy for ya i love his style of play.



If Kroenke lowers the payroll to 43-44 million as Adrian Dater has reported. Then Kroenke better lower tickets...otherwise Pepsi Center is going to be a ghost town. Avalanche have never been through a rebuild in their time in Denver. Going to be interesting to see if fans stick around for it.

Oh and...

http://forums.coloradoavalanche.com/index.php?showtopic=45649

74% percent of Av fans think the Kings won the trade in some fashion.:wave:

24champ
07-05-2009, 03:22 PM
I liked/like Smyth but he didn't live up to my expectations...as far as i'm concerned, you can have him and his 54 pts average the last 3 seasons. He's worth more like 4-5 mil/season not 6 mil+/season.


Smyth is not a flash player like Crosby/Ovie etc. He parks it in front of the net and puts the trash in the net. The Avalanche were one of the lowest scoring teams in the NHL, meaning Smyth managed to get 26 goals on a crappy/injury filled team. Not bad.

As far as contracts go, we dumped Preissing's contract on you guys. 2.5-2.7 for the next two years. Pretty expensive for a guy that had vertigo problems. So that lessens the impact. While the cap hit for the Kings for getting smyth is at around 6 mill. The actual amount the Kings pay him goes down about a million each year.

You didn't get a Bernier, Jack Johnson, Frolov, Moller, Schenn etc. Like your fellow fans were thinking was the return for a guy like Smyth. Captain Canada.

Bronx33
07-05-2009, 09:52 PM
If Kroenke lowers the payroll to 43-44 million as Adrian Dater has reported. Then Kroenke better lower tickets...otherwise Pepsi Center is going to be a ghost town. Avalanche have never been through a rebuild in their time in Denver. Going to be interesting to see if fans stick around for it.

Oh and...

http://forums.coloradoavalanche.com/index.php?showtopic=45649

74% percent of Av fans think the Kings won the trade in some fashion.:wave:


Great i don't think i was trying to win a ( who won the trade argument) that wouldn't be proved until about midseason anyways so all those that voted don't have a clue one injury either way could nix the whole transaction.

BroncoMan4ever
07-05-2009, 11:44 PM
Wait so who is leading the Avalanche if it's not Smyth, Sakic, Ian Lapierre, Guite etc.? If the Avs are smart, they won't bring up Duchene for a season or two. He might get ruined...

And lets not forget Smyth waived his NTC...he really wanted to gtfo of dodge. Avalanche are in for some hard times.

i think if Sakic plays 1 more year, they should bring up Duchene immediately. give the kid 1 year to play with a pro like Super Joe. similar to the situation of having Rod around for our WRs a few years ago. he is at the end of his career, but he would be unbelievably valuable to the maturation and development of quite possibly a cornerstone of the franchise for the next decade or so.

although, even if Sakic hangs it up, i think Duchene has the talent to be a 3rd line player right now.

BroncoMan4ever
07-05-2009, 11:48 PM
If Kroenke lowers the payroll to 43-44 million as Adrian Dater has reported. Then Kroenke better lower tickets...otherwise Pepsi Center is going to be a ghost town. Avalanche have never been through a rebuild in their time in Denver. Going to be interesting to see if fans stick around for it.

Oh and...

http://forums.coloradoavalanche.com/index.php?showtopic=45649

74% percent of Av fans think the Kings won the trade in some fashion.:wave:

give me a break. most Avs fans are just fans of a local team, not necessarily fans with actual knowledge of the game. i think the trade was pretty much even. the Avs got rid of a gawdy contract which gives them a little flexibilty and cap relief while also acquiring 2 young Defensemen, 1 of which is really good and a 5th round pick. also, with Smyth, his style of play leads to injuries and he misses chunks of time. i consider it a good trade.

alkemical
07-06-2009, 06:33 AM
Strait just signed a contract with the club, but I suspect he'll need to get some seasoning at WBS for a year or two. I think he's a little ahead of Sneep. Lovejoy could be the 6th defenseman, although I would prefer McKee if he would sign a 1 yr. deal for 2m. Right now, it looks like

Gonchar-Orpik
Letang-Eaton
Goligoski-???

If they can get McKee that would be great. Then we'd have a nice puckmover as well as a steady defenseman on each pairing. I don't know what they are going to do about Sarge next year. On one hand, they need that 5m freed up as the salaries escalate and the cap maybe goes down, but he's worth so much to this team. I think the team hopes Letang or Goligoski will be ready to QB the PP by that time, but I don't know if that's realistic. Both of them should eventually be terrific offensive defenseman. Letang is almost there, already. He had over 30 points in the regular season and averaged over a half point a game in the postseason. I suspect he'll be a guy that can put up 45-50 a year with a little more work.



Gonch will be getting pretty old, so if he wants to stay - it is probably going to have to be more on the cheap.

I think they will be fine with Letang or Goligoski on the PP.

I hope Tangardi heals up nice from his accident (on ice), i think he has an outside shot to make the club.

bronco militia
07-06-2009, 08:04 AM
I'm cool with the trade....for some reason Smyth never was able to lead this team. Even with Super Joe almost missing an entire season.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Smyth retire in a year or two

gyldenlove
07-06-2009, 08:05 AM
Gonch will be getting pretty old, so if he wants to stay - it is probably going to have to be more on the cheap.

I think they will be fine with Letang or Goligoski on the PP.

I hope Tangardi heals up nice from his accident (on ice), i think he has an outside shot to make the club.

I don't know, Gonchar is dangerous from the point. I haven't seen much of the Pens outside the Stanley cup final, but what I did see was that the other defender never ever shot the puck, whenever something dangerous happened from the back it was ALWAYS Gonchar either shooting or passing down low.

gyldenlove
07-06-2009, 08:22 AM
20 players are heading for arbitration, lead by Jiri Hudler, Nikolai Zherdev and Tomas Plekanec (who seem to be the only 3 with a shot at getting some serious dough out of it). I Hudler and Plekanec will both settle before the hearing, but Zherdev could get something like 5.5 million over 2 years.

alkemical
07-06-2009, 08:37 AM
I don't know, Gonchar is dangerous from the point. I haven't seen much of the Pens outside the Stanley cup final, but what I did see was that the other defender never ever shot the puck, whenever something dangerous happened from the back it was ALWAYS Gonchar either shooting or passing down low.

I'm not saying he's not..but he's getting old and he hasn't had the best run of health recently. You can't pay him $5/mil for what he does and doesn't do.

gyldenlove
07-06-2009, 09:21 AM
I'm not saying he's not..but he's getting old and he hasn't had the best run of health recently. You can't pay him $5/mil for what he does and doesn't do.

He is probably more of a 4-4.5 million a year guy, he is not defensively solid enough to get Niedermayer money. To me there is no doubt that he is the main coq in the Pens power play, if it wasn't for his ability to shoot most teams would collaps very tightly on the goal to take away cross ice passes between Malkin and Crosby and force the puck back to the blue line but with Gonchar back there that is suicide.

alkemical
07-06-2009, 09:29 AM
He is probably more of a 4-4.5 million a year guy, he is not defensively solid enough to get Niedermayer money. To me there is no doubt that he is the main coq in the Pens power play, if it wasn't for his ability to shoot most teams would collaps very tightly on the goal to take away cross ice passes between Malkin and Crosby and force the puck back to the blue line but with Gonchar back there that is suicide.

With his age, and health issues - i wouldn't pay for more than 3.5-4 tops.

gyldenlove
07-06-2009, 12:35 PM
Leino has resigned with Detroit for 2 years at 800k per year. Watch him score at least 50 points in 2010-2011.

Smiling Assassin27
07-06-2009, 02:05 PM
Leino has resigned with Detroit for 2 years at 800k per year. Watch him score at least 50 points in 2010-2011.


if he's on one of the top 2 lines, he'll do well, IMO. that leaves about 2.5 mil left under the cap. Paging Jiri Hudler--your deal for $2million per year is ready. Andres Lilja, you have been traded to Toronto and Travis Moen, you're now a Red Wing at 1.2 mil per year. Championship.

gyldenlove
07-06-2009, 02:16 PM
if he's on one of the top 2 lines, he'll do well, IMO. that leaves about 2.5 mil left under the cap. Paging Jiri Hudler--your deal for $2million per year is ready. Andres Lilja, you have been traded to Toronto and Travis Moen, you're now a Red Wing at 1.2 mil per year. Championship.

Yup

PRBronco
07-06-2009, 02:24 PM
Canucks just re-signed Shane O'Brien, 1 year, $1.6M. A bit high for a #5 or 6 Dman, but he's a very popular player, and tough as nails, good to have him back :D

Also they signed Andrew Raycroft, which is quite intriguing. Does this imply they're leaning towards trading Cory Schneider?

Smiling Assassin27
07-08-2009, 10:40 AM
Or, Hudler could sign with the KHL as a bargaining chip in case he doesn't get what he wants in arbitration, the little bastard. Per TSN:


The offseason became a lot more challenging for the Detroit Red Wings on Wednesday, as reports out the Czech Republic indicate that restricted free agent forward Jiri Hudler has agreed to a one-year, $2 million contract with Dynamo Moscow of the Kontinental Hockey League.

Hudler, 25, was one of 20 players who filed for salary arbitration on Sunday.

Hudler and the Red Wings were in the process of negotiating a contract before the hearing took place between July 20 and August 4. By filing for arbitration, Hudler could not receive an offer sheet from another team.

Hudler earned $1.15 million last season while posting career-highs of 23 goals and 57 points.

The Red Wings - who won the Stanley Cup in 2008 and went the full seven games in the final last month before bowing out to Pittsburgh - have already lost a good number of players off last season's roster, including forwards Marian Hossa, Mikael Samuelsson and Tomas Kopecky and backup goaltender Ty Conklin.

gyldenlove
07-08-2009, 11:00 AM
Or, Hudler could sign with the KHL as a bargaining chip in case he doesn't get what he wants in arbitration, the little bastard. Per TSN:

Well if he is willing to settle for 2 mill a year that is good news.

Smiling Assassin27
07-08-2009, 11:04 AM
Well if he is willing to settle for 2 mill a year that is good news.


2 mil in Russia is a lot more than 2 mil in Detroit. The tax rate there is about 10% whereas it's about 46% after all is said and done in the good ol' US of A. I bet this deal has an out clause like the one Datsyuk signed.

gyldenlove
07-08-2009, 11:10 AM
2 mil in Russia is a lot more than 2 mil in Detroit. The tax rate there is about 10% whereas it's about 46% after all is said and done in the good ol' US of A. I bet this deal has an out clause like the one Datsyuk signed.

But in Russia you need to spend about 1/3 of that on bodyguards and imported food to avoid getting shot and poisoned... okay I guess that is not really different from Detroit.

Bronx33
07-09-2009, 04:49 PM
super joe retires :notthissh done in by a Tecumseh.

SoCalBronco
07-09-2009, 09:57 PM
The Penguins replace Rob Scuderi by signing Jay McKee to a 1 year deal for only 800k.

Great deal, Shero. Now I just hope he can stay healthy for once.

Top 6 looks like this:

Gonchar-Orpik
Letang-Eaton
Goligoski-McKee

An offensive defenseman and a stay at home type on each pairing.

24champ
07-09-2009, 10:09 PM
The Penguins replace Rob Scuderi by signing Jay McKee to a 1 year deal for only 800k.

Great deal, Shero. Now I just hope he can stay healthy for once.

Top 6 looks like this:

Gonchar-Orpik
Letang-Eaton
Goligoski-McKee

An offensive defenseman and a stay at home type on each pairing.

Malkin to Kings (E5)

SoCalBronco
07-09-2009, 10:20 PM
Bob's Mom to Kings (E5)

I heard that on Spector's Hockey, too. IMO, it will help the Kings' board play and physicality.

24champ
07-09-2009, 10:28 PM
Socal I will have a Malkin Kings jersey ready for you upon arrival to Broncos TC.

maher_tyler
07-09-2009, 10:35 PM
Socal I will have a Malkin Kings jersey ready for you upon arrival to Broncos TC.

I haven't heard anything about this??

SoCalBronco
07-09-2009, 10:37 PM
I haven't heard anything about this??

He's just joking around. :)

24 likes to pretend that someday his team will be filled with studs like the Pens. ;D

24champ
07-09-2009, 10:41 PM
He's just joking around. :)

24 likes to pretend that someday his team will be filled with studs like the Pens. ;D

It's gonna happen man.

The NHL made the Gretzky trade go through. ;D

Cmac821
07-09-2009, 10:41 PM
Any thing cool going on with Avs?

SoCalBronco
07-09-2009, 10:43 PM
It's gonna happen man.

The NHL made the Gretzky trade go through. ;D

The Kings will have the #1 blueline in about 2 years, IMO.

24champ
07-09-2009, 10:52 PM
The Kings will have the #1 blueline in about 2 years, IMO.

Anze has beefed up, so look out...

http://anzeseleven.com/ak2009camp/media/blogs/ak2009camp/pics/20090703-1/DSC_1625.jpg

SoCalBronco
07-14-2009, 12:26 AM
Perhaps killericon can explain this.....I dont think its because of that whole RFA contract snafu....that seems to have blown over. WTF...they just got to the conference final.

Updated: July 14, 2009, 1:54 AM ET
Report: Hawks fire GM TallonComment Email Print Share ESPN.com news services

Despite helping assemble a team that went to the conference finals, Dale Tallon is out as Blackhawks general manager, Comcast Sportsnet in Chicago reported late Monday night.

Stan Bowman will reportedly take over as general manager, the son of legendary coach Scotty Bowman.

Tallon had trouble recently when the team didn't mail out qualifying offers in time to a number of free agents, including rookie of the year candidate Kris Versteeg. All of the players ultimately signed with the team but not before the players association filed a grievance.

Though the incident was embarrassing for the team, it may have had little to do with Tallon's firing. He was a holdover from the regime before the Blackhawks named former Cubs executive John McDonough president of the club.

Tallon was named general manager of the Blackhawks in 2005. He is responsible for drafting young talent like Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews and acquiring Patrick Sharp and Versteeg. He also signed high-profile free agents Brian Campbell, Nikolai Khabibulin and Cristobel Huet. The Blackhawks went from 65 points in Tallon's first season to 104 last year when the Hawks eventually lost to the Red Wings in the conference finals.

Stan Bowman has been an assistant general manager with the Hawks for almost a decade. He has been primarily responsible for contract negotiations, collective bargaining agreement issues and free agency.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=4325783

Killericon
07-14-2009, 12:52 AM
I do think that it has to do with the RFAs, but it's more the straw that broke the camel's back. I like Tallon, but noone was happy with him until this year. Sure, he hit on Toews, Kane, Versteeg and others, but that's mostly the scouting department. Tallon's area of control was mostly player aquisition, and he was terrible in that department. He hit on Patrick Sharp, and that's about it. Havlat, Khabibulin, LaPointe...All disasters that stopped the Hawks from competing immediately after the lockout. Nobody likes Campbell's contract, and Huet wasn't worth the money in his only season so far. When Scotty Bowman came aboard, it was assumed all major player decisions would run through him, and Tallon lost his teeth. I heard the deadline was a contentious time in the Blackhawks FO.

Anyways, the reality is that the post-lockout guard wasn't getting it done. Bowman came in to run things, and things changed. Savard went out, Quenneville...Tallon stuck around, and then he gave them a reason to boot him out.

24champ
07-14-2009, 01:33 AM
2 mil in Russia is a lot more than 2 mil in Detroit. The tax rate there is about 10% whereas it's about 46% after all is said and done in the good ol' US of A. I bet this deal has an out clause like the one Datsyuk signed.

While that's all good and well, I'd rather have an owner give me my paycheck on time. I've heard that the KHL is notorious for not giving their players checks on time. I might add that as a hockey player, your health is being looked out for in the NHL. The KHL doesn't do as good of a job at that.

gyldenlove
07-16-2009, 09:02 PM
It seems that several teams have been stretching themselves thin for 1 good year.

Detroit and to some extend Calgary and San Jose did it last year when they had some stars on low contract numbers and could afford to add players in FA.

Chicago and Philly have done it this year, going hard at FA and ignoring the prospect of losing players next year.

I wonder if it will become a precedent that when you have one or more top players in the end of their first contract you load up on free agents for one good year and then hope you can trade players to free up cap space for your young stars.

The Blackhawks have 43 million tied up next year when the cap figures to be around 51 million, in 7 forwards, 4 defenders and 2 goalies. That leaves them about 8 million to sign Toews, Kane, Keith (all of whom will get deals of 3 million per year or more) as well as Hjalmarson, Burish, Ladd and whoever else they need to fill out the roster. If they can't move Huet's 5+ million cap hit (and they probably can't) or Sharp's nearly 4 million cap hit they could be in real trouble.

The Flyers have nearly 46 million tied up next year in 6 forwards (plus 3 depth players), 3 defenders and 1 goalie. They have a few young defensemen going to free agency, Coburn and Parent who will probably be resigned at managable deals. but that still only leaves 4 or 5 million to get at least 3 more forwards, 2 more defensemen and 1 goalie on the roster.

24champ
07-17-2009, 03:13 PM
Jack Johnson re-signed with the Kings today, a two-year contract with a salary-cap hit of $1.425 million per season.

Good job Dean'o.:thumbs:

Killericon
07-17-2009, 03:53 PM
It seems that several teams have been stretching themselves thin for 1 good year.

Detroit and to some extend Calgary and San Jose did it last year when they had some stars on low contract numbers and could afford to add players in FA.

Calgary did it last year, and yet they're pretty much set for this season again.

Broncos_OTM
07-17-2009, 08:42 PM
Anze has beefed up, so look out...

http://anzeseleven.com/ak2009camp/media/blogs/ak2009camp/pics/20090703-1/DSC_1625.jpg

If my instructor seen me kick like that he would thrash me. left arm needs to be up around his ear waiting for a counter.

Also he is kicking with the top of his foot, that hurts. use your shin!

gyldenlove
07-17-2009, 08:51 PM
Calgary did it last year, and yet they're pretty much set for this season again.

Their forward group doesn't look that impressive to me.

Killericon
07-18-2009, 02:22 AM
Their forward group doesn't look that impressive to me.

It doesn't to me either, but they didn't implode by any means. Sure, it's a juggling act(I think Sarich is gonna be moved), but they didn't implode. Getting Cammaleiri and such didn't kill the Flames. You're right, though...If Iginla and Regehr didn't give such discounts, the Flames couldn't have half the talent they do.

Next year, the Hawks will move Campbell and sign all their important players. If Redden can be moved, so can Campbell. I'm not really worried.

gyldenlove
07-18-2009, 08:31 AM
It doesn't to me either, but they didn't implode by any means. Sure, it's a juggling act(I think Sarich is gonna be moved), but they didn't implode. Getting Cammaleiri and such didn't kill the Flames. You're right, though...If Iginla and Regehr didn't give such discounts, the Flames couldn't have half the talent they do.

Next year, the Hawks will move Campbell and sign all their important players. If Redden can be moved, so can Campbell. I'm not really worried.

It is going to be harder to move players next year, with the cap going down quite a bit the floor will also go down. There are going to be fewer teams in desperate need of taking on contracts to reach the salary floor.

80smith
08-03-2009, 08:07 AM
Report: NHL investigates contract talks between Hawks, Hossa
Friday, 07.31.2009 / 2:17 PM / 2009 NHL Offseason News (http://www.nhl.com/ice/newsindex.htm?location=%2Foffseason%2F2009&view=headline)
By Dan Rosen (http://www.nhl.com/ice/newsindex.htm?author=2275&view=headline) - NHL.com Staff Writer

Marian Hossa (http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8466148), the 30-year-old right wing who signed a 12-year, $62.8 million contract with the Blackhawks on July 1, is not only out for at least four months after having shoulder surgery last Friday, but his contract is now under investigation by the League.

According to a report in the Ottawa Sun, the NHL wants to find out if the Hawks and Hossa ever discussed the idea of him retiring before his contract expires, which would be a violation of the collective bargaining agreement and salary cap.

The red flags are up because Hossa's cap hit over the length of his deal is $5.23 million but he will receive a bulk of his $62.8 million up front. If he retires prior to the end of the deal, the cap hit goes away.

Hossa is due an annual salary of $7.9 million for the first seven years of the deal. He'll make $4 million in the eighth year of the deal, but only $3.5 million over the last four years of the contract.

"We're trying to understand how (the contract) was negotiated and whether the intent and effect is to circumvent the cap," NHL Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly wrote in an e-mail to the Ottawa Sun. "This was the first of the long-term contracts that took a player out past the age 40, and the value of the contract in its 'out years' was dramatically lower than its early years. We want to know if the possibility of player retirement was ever discussed or even contemplated."

The Sun report said the Hawks could face a maximum fine of $5 million and lose some draft picks if the League's investigation concludes with the finding that Hossa and the Hawks did indeed discuss retirement before the contract is due to expire.

Contact Dan Rosen at drosen@nhl.com

80smith
08-05-2009, 12:12 PM
Report: Sharks' Roenick to retire
Tuesday, 08.04.2009 / 1:05 PM / News (http://www.nhl.com/ice/newsindex.htm?location=%2Fnews&view=headline)
NHL.com

Jeremy Roenick (http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8450978) is hanging up his skates.

According to Comcast SportsNet Bay Area, Roenick will announce his retirement as an NHL player Thursday at a press conference in San Jose, where Roenick played for the Sharks the last two seasons.

The Sharks have scheduled a press conference on Thursday at 11 a.m. PST, at which time Roenick is expected to announce his retirement. NHL Network will broadcast the press conference live beginning at 11 PST/2 ET.

The outspoken Roenick leaves with 513 career goals, only the third American to crack 500 NHL goals, and 703 assists in 1,363 regular-season games with the Chicago Blackhawks (http://blackhawks.nhl.com/), Phoenix Coyotes (http://coyotes.nhl.com/), Philadelphia Flyers (http://flyers.nhl.com/), Los Angeles Kings (http://kings.nhl.com/) and Sharks.

In the Stanley Cup Playoffs, Roenick scored 53 goals and 69 assists in 154 games with the Blackhawks, Coyotes, Flyers and Sharks. Roenick was a star on the Chicago team in 1991 that won the Presidents' Trophy and went to the Stanley Cup Final. He was also a key contributor on the Philadelphia team in 2004 that went to the Eastern Conference Final. He did not play on a Stanley Cup-winning team.

"I have been around for a long time and haven't won one and that's frustrating," Roenick told NHL.com prior to the 2009 playoffs. "It's nice to know people would be wishing me good faith and good luck in trying to get the Cup. That would make my career very, very complete knowing that I have that support behind me. So, yeah, I do wish for that. I do hope for that. It's very important to me. The fans are very important to me."

In June, while attending the 2009 NHL Awards, Roenick told NHL.com he was close to a final decision on his career.

"I don't have a total decision but I am leaning a certain way," Roenick, 39, said.

"My body is still in great shape," added Roenick. "The decision will be based on family and what (Sharks GM) Doug Wilson says."

Roenick came out of a short-lived retirement two summers ago to join the Sharks because of his relationship with GM Doug Wilson and the hope he had for the team his buddy -- and former teammate in Chicago -- had built in San Jose.

Roenick doesn't think he would have come back to play for any other team.

"I knew San Jose was one of the elite teams in the last five or six years and my agent and I attempted to get traded there a couple of times throughout my career knowing that Doug was there," Roenick said. "San Jose was always on my radar. My relationship with Doug is very special, so I don't think it could have happened anywhere else."

"All we did was give him the opportunity," Wilson told NHL.com. "He deserves all the credit for going and doing the work necessary to play in this League at this time. It's one thing to say you want to play, but to commit to it…You see how he plays with his passion. He's got skill, but he's got grit. He'll go around you. He'll go through you. He'll take a hit. He'll block a shot. I think that all relays to the fan in seeing a guy who truly loves to play the game."

24champ
08-05-2009, 12:24 PM
**** Roenick. Makes me happy he never got his name on the cup.

Bronx33
08-09-2009, 02:20 PM
wow.....

http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/758903.html

Chicago Blackhawk right winger and South Buffalo native Patrick Kane and a relative face robbery and other charges after allegedly assaulting a cab driver and failing to pay their fare after getting a ride from Chippewa Street early this morning.

Kane, 20, and James M. Kane, 21, were arrested about 5 a.m. on Eastwood Place, according to Buffalo police reports.

The pair allegedly punched the cab driver and grabbed money they had handed him after he told them he didn't have twenty cents in coins to give them their change, the report said.

Their fare was $13.80 and they handed the driver $15, according to a report.

The cab driver told police he was punched in the face and head, grabbed by the throat and had his glasses broken during the incident.

A torn $5 bill was found in James Kane's pocket while in the Erie County Holding Center, the report said.

Buffalo Police Department spokesman Michael J. DeGeorge confirmed Patrick Kane and a relative were arrested after an incident involving a cab driver.

Both men were charged with second-degree robbery, a Class C felony, as well as fourth-degree criminal mischief and theft of services, both Class A misdemeanors.

The Kanes spent about two and a half hours in the Erie County Holding Center before taken to Buffalo City Court around 8 a.m. for arraignment before Judge E. Jeannette Ogden. They were released after their arraignment, the Erie County Sheriff's Office said.

DeGeorge, the Police Department spokesman, said police do not have any information about the Kanes' activities or specific whereabouts prior to their arrest. The 62-year-old cab driver was an independent operator and did not work for a local cab company, DeGeorge said.

Calls to the Blackhawks, Kane's agent and his parents' South Buffalo home were not immediately returned.

"I was in Chicago and I'm just on my way home now," Kane's mother, Madonna, told the Chicago Sun-Times when reached by phone this afternoon. "So I really don't have anything to report at this time because I don't have the whole details yet. I want to know what's going on before I say anything (else)."

The newspaper reported that Kane is due to join the U.S. Olympic team next week.

On Wednesday, Kane was at Timothy J. Burvid Ice Rink in Cazenovia Park to help Mayor Byron W. Brown announce funding to improve the rink and other park facilities.

"Today is special for me," Kane said at the ceremony. "This is where I grew up playing hockey. This is the first rink I probably skated in when I was 6 years old."

Kane, who was the first overall pick in the 2007 NHL draft, continued:

"It's special for me; it's the place I grew up," Kane said. "The best part is coming back and hanging out with your buddies and your family.

Brown declared Kane and fellow NHL star and Buffalo native Tim Kennedy "hometown heroes" and one parent at the park with her son that day called them "role models."

"I'll tell you one thing: It's a lot of fun playing in the NHL and playing on the ice and playoffs and certain things, and being part of an Original Six organization with the Blackhawks," Kane told the crowd. "But to come back home and drive in the driveway for the first time for summer, and realize that you have a long time to hang out back home in Buffalo [is a great feeling].

"The best thing about it is my friends treat me like I'm a regular kid. They don't treat me like a celebrity or whatever they might treat me like in Chicago."

Baba Booey
08-09-2009, 02:31 PM
I like Kane.

Bronx33
08-09-2009, 02:33 PM
I like Kane.


Me too it's just bizarre though.

Bronx33
08-09-2009, 03:07 PM
Report: NHL investigates contract talks between Hawks, Hossa
Friday, 07.31.2009 / 2:17 PM / 2009 NHL Offseason News (http://www.nhl.com/ice/newsindex.htm?location=%2Foffseason%2F2009&view=headline)
By Dan Rosen (http://www.nhl.com/ice/newsindex.htm?author=2275&view=headline) - NHL.com Staff Writer

Marian Hossa (http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8466148), the 30-year-old right wing who signed a 12-year, $62.8 million contract with the Blackhawks on July 1, is not only out for at least four months after having shoulder surgery last Friday, but his contract is now under investigation by the League.

According to a report in the Ottawa Sun, the NHL wants to find out if the Hawks and Hossa ever discussed the idea of him retiring before his contract expires, which would be a violation of the collective bargaining agreement and salary cap.

The red flags are up because Hossa's cap hit over the length of his deal is $5.23 million but he will receive a bulk of his $62.8 million up front. If he retires prior to the end of the deal, the cap hit goes away.

Hossa is due an annual salary of $7.9 million for the first seven years of the deal. He'll make $4 million in the eighth year of the deal, but only $3.5 million over the last four years of the contract.

"We're trying to understand how (the contract) was negotiated and whether the intent and effect is to circumvent the cap," NHL Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly wrote in an e-mail to the Ottawa Sun. "This was the first of the long-term contracts that took a player out past the age 40, and the value of the contract in its 'out years' was dramatically lower than its early years. We want to know if the possibility of player retirement was ever discussed or even contemplated."

The Sun report said the Hawks could face a maximum fine of $5 million and lose some draft picks if the League's investigation concludes with the finding that Hossa and the Hawks did indeed discuss retirement before the contract is due to expire.

Contact Dan Rosen at drosen@nhl.com



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