Franken Wins! Scalia Might Get Another Shot at Meddling in State Elections

[Rohirrim]

Minnesota Decision: Al Franken Won, Supreme Court Says
Huffpost - Minnesota Decision: Al Franken Won, Supreme Court Says
BRIAN BAKST | June 30, 2009 02:18 PM EST |

ST. PAUL, Minn. — The Minnesota Supreme Court has ordered that Democrat Al Franken be certified as the winner of the state's long-running Senate race.

The high court rejected a legal challenge from Republican Norm Coleman, whose options for regaining the Senate seat are dwindling.

Justices said Franken is entitled to the election certificate he needs to assume office. With Franken and the usual backing of two independents, Democrats will have a big enough majority to overcome Republican filibuster.

Coleman hasn't ruled out seeking federal court intervention.

Maybe Coleman can get that repug shill Scalia to step in on his behalf? Worked for Bush. ;D

[bronco militia]

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[Smiling Assassin27]

Coleman would be a fool to proceed. The ruling was unanimous. Take your L and go home, Norman. If he wants to serve in an elected office in the future, graciously walking away would increase those chances, as opposed to throwing more obscene amounts of money and prolonging the agony.

I admit, I though Norm would pull it out but it became clear that it wasn't to be. Both guys are subpar, but SOMEBODY'S gotta represent Minnesota.

[ElwayMD]

Jesse Venture, Al Franken and next to hold public office in Minnesota....

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[epicSocialism4tw]

Its astounding that anyone would vote for that clown, but that is the state that voted Jessie "The Body" Ventura into office.

This goober is actually LESS capable than Rush Limbaugh, and somehow the left has embraced him as some sort of spokesman. It shows the desperation of the left more than anything else.

http://needlenose.com/i/gb/stuartsmalley.jpg

[Rohirrim]

Who knows? After all, Ronnie Raygun started out as a grade B actor, and no one ever accused him of being Einstein-like. ;D

[epicSocialism4tw]

Who knows? After all, Ronnie Raygun started out as a grade B actor, and no one ever accused him of being Einstein-like. ;D

Well, if ol' Stu Smalley turns out anything like Reagan, I'll welcome all has-beens to the presidency. Reagan had arguably the most significant presidency in American history.

[Rigs11]

Well, if ol' Stu Smalley turns out anything like Reagan, I'll welcome all has-beens to the presidency. Reagan had arguably the most significant presidency in American history.

he sure did.grew the government tons and then the whole iran contra crap.. significant...Ha!

[Rohirrim]

Well, if ol' Stu Smalley turns out anything like Reagan, I'll welcome all has-beens to the presidency. Reagan had arguably the most significant presidency in American history.

:spit:

[gunns]

Coleman would be a fool to proceed. The ruling was unanimous. Take your L and go home, Norman. If he wants to serve in an elected office in the future, graciously walking away would increase those chances, as opposed to throwing more obscene amounts of money and prolonging the agony.

I admit, I though Norm would pull it out but it became clear that it wasn't to be. Both guys are subpar, but SOMEBODY'S gotta represent Minnesota.


Yeah, yeah, yeah. Respond to my PM

[Garcia Bronco]

Colemon actaully won the election. The only way Franken could pull ahead is by taking votes that should have been discarded and have people arbitrate on the intent of the voter. I'd be ashamed if it were my state.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Who knows? After all, Ronnie Raygun started out as a grade B actor, and no one ever accused him of being Einstein-like. ;D

True that.

And it's funny how you don't hear any of these same Franken critics marveling at how imbeciles like GeeDubya or Sarah Palin could get elected.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Reagan had arguably the most significant presidency in American history.

"Significant" insofar as he ushered in a new era of red ink, wealth disparity, steadily declining American standard of living, and the greatest number of criminal convictions in any administration in U.S. history.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Well, if ol' Stu Smalley turns out anything like Reagan, I'll welcome all has-beens to the presidency. Reagan had arguably the most significant presidency in American history.
So this is where you've been hiding all day? I was wondering... :wave:

[frerottenextelway]

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[AbileneBroncoFan]

Reagan had arguably the most significant presidency in American history.

This has got to be the most absurd thing I have ever heard. He is not in the same class as Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson, or FDR. Not even close.

The problem with conservatives/Republicans of today, however, is that most of them would vote for Reagan over any of those four.

[ElwayMD]

This has got to be the most absurd thing I have ever heard. He is not in the same class as Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson, or FDR. Not even close.

The problem with conservatives/Republicans of today, however, is that most of them would vote for Reagan over any of those four.

Are you kidding me? If a Lincoln came around the bend again I think he would win by the largest margain in the history of American politics. FDR is a highly overated President. WWII is the only reason people consider him a great president. Some of the messes we are dealing with now are after effects of his years in office and his huge government entitlement programs.

I actually think Democrats of today would have a very hard time even electing John F. Kennedy. You listen to him speak and you hear something that more toes the line with modern conservatism. Come to think of it any President from 1900 and back would start talking about how the system is failing the people and George Washington would probably be gearing up for another revolution.

[epicSocialism4tw]

This has got to be the most absurd thing I have ever heard. He is not in the same class as Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson, or FDR. Not even close.

The problem with conservatives/Republicans of today, however, is that most of them would vote for Reagan over any of those four.

Name another president to win a major war without firing a shot. Probably the singular most impressive accomplishment in American political history aside from winning the Revolutionary War.

You are too young to understand it fully, although Im sure that you will assume that you are an expert. You missed the Cold War and the tension that it spread over our country for decades. "Tear down that wall"...a great American achievement that should be appreciated by all of us, and Reagan was the major player.

[Rohirrim]

Name another president to win a major war without firing a shot. Probably the singular most impressive accomplishment in American political history aside from winning the Revolutionary War.

You are too young to understand it fully, although Im sure that you will assume that you are an expert. You missed the Cold War and the tension that it spread over our country for decades. "Tear down that wall"...a great American achievement that should be appreciated by all of us, and Reagan was the major player.

The collapse of the Soviet Union fell into Raygun's lap and was created by the efforts of every president going back to Truman. To just pin the medal to Ronnie's shirt is partisan hackery of the highest order.

[epicSocialism4tw]

The collapse of the Soviet Union fell into Raygun's lap and was created by the efforts of every president going back to Truman. To just pin the medal to Ronnie's shirt is partisan hackery of the highest order.

:rofl:

Reagan was the tip of the spear, and his political savvy thrust the American weapon into the heart of the Soviets.

The problem with you people is that you have no perspective, even in retrospect. Reagan's presidency changed the trajectory of every human on the planet. You would be wise to admit, just as Barack Obama did, that we have alot to learn from Reagan's presidency.

Your blanket partisan dismissal is ridiculous.

[Rohirrim]

:rofl:

Reagan was the tip of the spear, and his political savvy thrust the American weapon into the heart of the Soviets.

The problem with you people is that you have no perspective, even in retrospect. Reagan's presidency changed the trajectory of every human on the planet. You would be wise to admit, just as Barack Obama did, that we have alot to learn from Reagan's presidency.

Your blanket partisan dismissal is ridiculous.

What's partisan about it? I'm giving credit where it's due; To Truman, JFK, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter and Reagan. Your hero worship of Reagan is touching, but historically ludicrous. The key element that brought down the Soviets was Afghanistan (just like Vietnam almost brought us down). And the architect of that strategy was Brezinski. Of course, he also created the Mujahadeen, which we're still paying for. Geopolitically speaking, I wonder if it's the best thing we could have done? We got Bin Laden and a mobocracy in Russia run by the KGB. The history is still being written.

[footstepsfrom#27]

You would be wise to admit, just as Barack Obama did, that we have alot to learn from Reagan's presidency.
Speaking of admitting you have a lot to learn...when can I expect you back on the Sotomayor thread to defend your silly post about how I "have no case" for my mud-stomping of your nonsense over there?

I mean it shows you've been on here all day so I guess having time's no longer a cocncern huh? :punched:

[epicSocialism4tw]

Speaking of admitting you have a lot to learn...when can I expect you back on the Sotomayor thread to defend your silly post about how I "have no case" for my mud-stomping of your nonsense over there?

I mean it shows you've been on here all day so I guess having time's no longer a cocncern huh?

I pip over and back while working.

Sorry, dude. I must have upset you quite a bit for you to have followed me from thread to thread about the same issue. You do have a tendancy to see things through racist glasses.

[gunns]

Name another president to win a major war without firing a shot. Probably the singular most impressive accomplishment in American political history aside from winning the Revolutionary War.

You are too young to understand it fully, although Im sure that you will assume that you are an expert. You missed the Cold War and the tension that it spread over our country for decades. "Tear down that wall"...a great American achievement that should be appreciated by all of us, and Reagan was the major player.

I'd say with this post you are the one assuming you're an expert. Shhheeez. I don't know if you are too young or too old but take off the damn rose colored glasses.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I pip over and back while working.

Sorry, dude. I must have upset you quite a bit for you to have followed me from thread to thread about the same issue. You do have a tendancy to see things through racist glasses.
Nope...nothing you can do upsets me...I'm just pointing out that you immediately fled the scene after finding out you'd been made...but don't sweat it; it's obvious you have no answers and don't intend to stand up for your opinion, much less admit you were wrong. Instead all you have is "you're a racist". Pathetic.

Really dissapointed in you...I thought maybe you had more integrity.

[rastaman]

Minnesota Decision: Al Franken Won, Supreme Court Says
Huffpost - Minnesota Decision: Al Franken Won, Supreme Court Says
BRIAN BAKST | June 30, 2009 02:18 PM EST |

ST. PAUL, Minn. — The Minnesota Supreme Court has ordered that Democrat Al Franken be certified as the winner of the state's long-running Senate race.

The high court rejected a legal challenge from Republican Norm Coleman, whose options for regaining the Senate seat are dwindling.

Justices said Franken is entitled to the election certificate he needs to assume office. With Franken and the usual backing of two independents, Democrats will have a big enough majority to overcome Republican filibuster.

Coleman hasn't ruled out seeking federal court intervention.

Maybe Coleman can get that repug shill Scalia to step in on his behalf? Worked for Bush. ;D

Ummmmm....Fat Azz "Cholestrol Clogged" Anthony Meat Ball Scalia had better tread lightly. The 2000 Coup Enabling Supreme Court Ceasar....just could find himself up on impeachment charges if he continues to render decisions in favor of the party who put him on the Bench. ;)

[rastaman]

Nope...nothing you can do upsets me...I'm just pointing out that you immediately fled the scene after finding out you'd been made...but don't sweat it; it's obvious you have no answers and don't intend to stand up for your opinion, much less admit you were wrong. Instead all you have is "you're a racist". Pathetic.

Really dissapointed in you...I thought maybe you had more integrity.

McSkillet seems to share a devoided integrity DNA gene just like Napoleon McKidd-McDaniel's. :thumbsup:

[rastaman]

Its astounding that anyone would vote for that clown, but that is the state that voted Jessie "The Body" Ventura into office.

This goober is actually LESS capable than Rush Limbaugh, and somehow the left has embraced him as some sort of spokesman. It shows the desperation of the left more than anything else.

http://needlenose.com/i/gb/stuartsmalley.jpg

Come on McSkillet look at all the Azz Clown conservatives that voted for the Village Idiot - Chimp n Chief from the state of Tex-Azz twice!.....how do conservatives explain that bizarre choice???? :~ohyah!:

[spdirty]

this country is so ****ed.

[DBruleU]

this country is so ****ed.

When a clown like Franken is elected...yes, you could say that.

It's the beginning to the end I think of our great nation.

[spdirty]

When a clown like Franken is elected...yes, you could say that.

It's the beginning to the end I think of our great nation.

Its what happens when stupid people are allowed to and exercise their right to vote.

[Florida_Bronco]

this country is so ****ed.

Yawn.

[spdirty]

Yawn.

Yeah go to sleep and pretend this country isnt going to hell.

[Florida_Bronco]

Yeah go to sleep and pretend this country isnt going to hell.

I'm survived the last 8 years, so I can make it through whatever rough patches (real or imagined by GOP dumbasses) this current administration has.

[AbileneBroncoFan]

Are you kidding me? If a Lincoln came around the bend again I think he would win by the largest margain in the history of American politics. FDR is a highly overated President. WWII is the only reason people consider him a great president. Some of the messes we are dealing with now are after effects of his years in office and his huge government entitlement programs.

I actually think Democrats of today would have a very hard time even electing John F. Kennedy. You listen to him speak and you hear something that more toes the line with modern conservatism. Come to think of it any President from 1900 and back would start talking about how the system is failing the people and George Washington would probably be gearing up for another revolution.

The policies of the Republicans today are much closer to those of Reagan than those of Lincoln. George Washington and Abraham Lincoln are the two most important Americans to ever live, period. No one else comes remotely close to making such an important impact on the country as they did.

If John F. Kennedy ran against Sarah Palin or Bobby Jindal in 2012, I assure you he would have no trouble winning. He would mop up worse than Obama did on McCain. The problem with "modern conservatism" is that it's not really conservatism. I have no problem with being fiscally conservative. However, no such party exists today. "Conservatives" ran up over a trillion dollars fighting useless wars in a nation-building, imperialistic expansion, let corporations and businesses get away with whatever they want until the system collapsed, and now are doing everything that they can to stop the guy who is trying to fix their mess. You're right. George Washington and Thomas Jefferson would be appalled at today's government. Washington hated the idea of party loyalties, and the founders communicated and worked together to try to do what is best for the country, despite their disagreements. Adams and Jefferson were good friends, but disagreed politically. Hamilton and Madison went toe to toe politically, but they had enough respect for one another to communicate and to come up with legitimate compromises. What makes the founders superior to any politician of the past 30 years is that they were not blindly loyal to their dogmas. If they lost on an issue, they didn't take their toys and go home or try to make life hell for the people that won. They kept working together to do what was best for the country.

Conservatives of today do not rely on the founders for their political views. Benjamin Franklin wrote it best in a letter to his friend Bishop Sydney on March 17th, 1783:
"America will...become a great and happy country; and England, if she has at length gained wisdom, will have gained something more valuable, and more essential to her prosperity, than all she has lost; and will still be a great and respectable nation. Her great disease at present is the numerous and enormous salaries and enoulments of office. Avarice and ambition are strong passions, and separately, act with great force on the human mind; but when both are united, and may be gratified on the same object, their violence is almost irresistible, and they hurry men headlong into factions and contentions, destructive of all good government. As long, therefore, as these great emoluments subsist, your Parliament will be a stormy sea, and your public councils confounded by private interests. But it requires much public spirit and virtue to abolish them, more than perhaps can now be found in a nation so long corrupted."

Franklin would have hated to see neocons give corporations free reign over this country and predicted the the real problem we have in this country today over 200 years ago.

Please do not suggest that Ronald Reagan was some brave warrior who singlehandedly beat the USSR. He played an integral role at the end in tearing down the wall, but it was an ongoing battle for decades. Kennedy handling the Cuban Missile Crisis was just as important to the defeat of communism as Reagan telling them to tear down a wall. It was an ongoing effort for many years by many people, most of them unsung heroes, that resulted in the defeat of the USSR. No one says that FDR defeated Hitler because it took a lot more than one man to make that happen. The Cold War is no different.

[AbileneBroncoFan]

Name another president to win a major war without firing a shot. Probably the singular most impressive accomplishment in American political history aside from winning the Revolutionary War.

You are too young to understand it fully, although Im sure that you will assume that you are an expert. You missed the Cold War and the tension that it spread over our country for decades. "Tear down that wall"...a great American achievement that should be appreciated by all of us, and Reagan was the major player.

Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, and Carter. Unless I am mistaken, these men were all presidents during the Cold War and no shots were fired on the Soviet Union. Reagan was the last leg of a long list of presidents who prevented war and gave us a chance to outlast the communists. He dealt the final blow and deserves credit for that, but those that came before him deserve their fair share as well.

Probably the singular most impressive accomplishment in American political history aside from winning the Revolutionary War.

I'd say Abraham Lincoln saving a country from destruction from within would qualify as more impressive, and perhaps Jefferson getting the Louisiana Purchase at a dirt cheap price as well. Actually, though, the most impressive political action in American, if not world history, was when George Washington twice turned down offers to become king, transferred control of the army from himself to the government with no strings attached, and then later walked away from the highest office in the land. He did what few could ever do: had the offer to have unlimited power and wealth and politely said no thank you. Washington is proof that the maxim that those who handle power the best are those who do not seek it. Politicians, businessman, and the general population today would do well to learn a lesson from the General's actions.

[rastaman]

Its what happens when stupid people are allowed to and exercise their right to vote.

Ummmmm.......stupid people were allowed to exercise their right to vote and VOTED for the Supreme Court Selected President and Village Idiot from TEX-AZZ TWICE! 2001-2008, were the dark years for the U.S. and the World for that matter.

[ElwayMD]

The policies of the Republicans today are much closer to those of Reagan than those of Lincoln. George Washington and Abraham Lincoln are the two most important Americans to ever live, period. No one else comes remotely close to making such an important impact on the country as they did.

If John F. Kennedy ran against Sarah Palin or Bobby Jindal in 2012, I assure you he would have no trouble winning. He would mop up worse than Obama did on McCain. The problem with "modern conservatism" is that it's not really conservatism. I have no problem with being fiscally conservative. However, no such party exists today. "Conservatives" ran up over a trillion dollars fighting useless wars in a nation-building, imperialistic expansion, let corporations and businesses get away with whatever they want until the system collapsed, and now are doing everything that they can to stop the guy who is trying to fix their mess. You're right. George Washington and Thomas Jefferson would be appalled at today's government. Washington hated the idea of party loyalties, and the founders communicated and worked together to try to do what is best for the country, despite their disagreements. Adams and Jefferson were good friends, but disagreed politically. Hamilton and Madison went toe to toe politically, but they had enough respect for one another to communicate and to come up with legitimate compromises. What makes the founders superior to any politician of the past 30 years is that they were not blindly loyal to their dogmas. If they lost on an issue, they didn't take their toys and go home or try to make life hell for the people that won. They kept working together to do what was best for the country.

Conservatives of today do not rely on the founders for their political views. Benjamin Franklin wrote it best in a letter to his friend Bishop Sydney on March 17th, 1783:
"America will...become a great and happy country; and England, if she has at length gained wisdom, will have gained something more valuable, and more essential to her prosperity, than all she has lost; and will still be a great and respectable nation. Her great disease at present is the numerous and enormous salaries and enoulments of office. Avarice and ambition are strong passions, and separately, act with great force on the human mind; but when both are united, and may be gratified on the same object, their violence is almost irresistible, and they hurry men headlong into factions and contentions, destructive of all good government. As long, therefore, as these great emoluments subsist, your Parliament will be a stormy sea, and your public councils confounded by private interests. But it requires much public spirit and virtue to abolish them, more than perhaps can now be found in a nation so long corrupted."

Franklin would have hated to see neocons give corporations free reign over this country and predicted the the real problem we have in this country today over 200 years ago.

Please do not suggest that Ronald Reagan was some brave warrior who singlehandedly beat the USSR. He played an integral role at the end in tearing down the wall, but it was an ongoing battle for decades. Kennedy handling the Cuban Missile Crisis was just as important to the defeat of communism as Reagan telling them to tear down a wall. It was an ongoing effort for many years by many people, most of them unsung heroes, that resulted in the defeat of the USSR. No one says that FDR defeated Hitler because it took a lot more than one man to make that happen. The Cold War is no different.

Yes but what modern party would Kennedy be running for now? He's more akin to a modern conservative than a modern Democrat. He was in favor of cutting taxes and was big on national defense. Doesn't sound like the Dems does it?

[Bronco Bob]

Its astounding that anyone would vote for that clown, but that is the state that voted Jessie "The Body" Ventura into office.

But look who Franken was running against. Can you really blame the people
of Minnesota?

This goober is actually LESS capable than Rush Limbaugh, and somehow the left has embraced him as some sort of spokesman. It shows the desperation of the left more than anything else.

Boo-hoo. It shows the desparation of the right to keep whining about it.

[Bronco Bob]

Who knows? After all, Ronnie Raygun started out as a grade B actor, and no one ever accused him of being Einstein-like. ;D

Franken is Issac Newton and Albert Einstein rolled into one as compared to Ronald Reagan's brain power.

[Bronco Bob]

Well, if ol' Stu Smalley turns out anything like Reagan, I'll welcome all has-beens to the presidency. Reagan had arguably the most significant presidency in American history.

Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!

[Bronco Bob]

Colemon actaully won the election. The only way Franken could pull ahead is by taking votes that should have been discarded and have people arbitrate on the intent of the voter. I'd be ashamed if it were my state.

And yet you insist that Bush won Florida. Once more your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

[Bronco Bob]

Name another president to win a major war without firing a shot. Probably the singular most impressive accomplishment in American political history aside from winning the Revolutionary War.


Pope John Paul II and Lech Walesa had far more to do with the collapse
of the Soviet Union than Reagan. Reagan was just in the right place
at the right time.



You are too young to understand it fully, although Im sure that you will assume that you are an expert. You missed the Cold War and the tension that it spread over our country for decades. "Tear down that wall"...a great American achievement that should be appreciated by all of us, and Reagan was the major player.

I'm 55. Your too partisan and dense to understand it.

[AbileneBroncoFan]

Yes but what modern party would Kennedy be running for now? He's more akin to a modern conservative than a modern Democrat. He was in favor of cutting taxes and was big on national defense. Doesn't sound like the Dems does it?

He also lived in a time when national defense was imperative because we were in an arms race with another super power. He would not run for the party that tries to force religion on people, especially in schools, hates gays, and tries to incite fear in order to spread their agendas. He would be a centerist democrat (economically slightly right of center, socially left).

[Garcia Bronco]

And yet you insist that Bush won Florida. Once more your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

He did win Florida. One should never have to determine the intent of the voter. It's either clear or it isn't. If it isn't it should be thrown out.

[cutthemdown]

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It's only 60 if kennedy and Byrd show up. You think Byrd a former klansman cares enough to show when he is sick for a Latina Women who said she is a better judge then a white because of her experience? Or that when its widley knows the poor southern states are fearful and don't support the energy bill he will for that?

He probably would for the dems on healthcare, but I doubt he cares enough to end a fillibuster on energy and the SC choice.

Still Repubs probably have to pick one bill to try it on. They cant use it on both. I would try to get energy bill watered down to make it just a piece of legisltation but no teeth. And fight the SC nominee.

[frerottenextelway]

It's only 60 if kennedy and Byrd show up. You think Byrd a former klansman cares enough to show when he is sick for a Latina Women who said she is a better judge then a white because of her experience? Or that when its widley knows the poor southern states are fearful and don't support the energy bill he will for that?

He probably would for the dems on healthcare, but I doubt he cares enough to end a fillibuster on energy and the SC choice.

Still Repubs probably have to pick one bill to try it on. They cant use it on both. I would try to get energy bill watered down to make it just a piece of legisltation but no teeth. And fight the SC nominee.

From a process perspective....

Sotomayor will get confirmed. Unless dead puppies are found in her panties, the chances of her not being confirmed are about equal to that of a President Gravel in 2012.

The energy bill is going to die. Democrats can't pass that procedurally with 50 votes, they need 60. And they would have huge trouble even getting to 50 anyways. There may be some completely reworked bill or w/e, and end up passing that, I dunno, we'll see, but the bill as it is will be dead.

The public option on health care is where the real action is. Dems can pass this with only 50 votes, which is what I think will end up happening, but it's up in the air right now. There a lot of blood money being spent against it.

[cutthemdown]

From a process perspective....

Sotomayor will get confirmed. Unless dead puppies are found in her panties, the chances of her not being confirmed are about equal to that of a President Gravel in 2012.

The energy bill is going to die. Democrats can't pass that procedurally with 50 votes, they need 60. And they would have huge trouble even getting to 50 anyways. There may be some completely reworked bill or w/e, and end up passing that, I dunno, we'll see, but the bill as it is will be dead.

The public option on health care is where the real action is. Dems can pass this with only 50 votes, which is what I think will end up happening, but it's up in the air right now. There a lot of blood money being spent against it.


Very good points.

I agree chances of me getting my way on the SC choice very slim. I will say I think liberals blowing it because its a chance to put a real liberal intellectual on the court. I bet Sotameyer does not emerge as a power on the court. I just don't see that in her from what I have been reading.

[frerottenextelway]

Very good points.

I agree chances of me getting my way on the SC choice very slim. I will say I think liberals blowing it because its a chance to put a real liberal intellectual on the court. I bet Sotameyer does not emerge as a power on the court. I just don't see that in her from what I have been reading.

Why do you think she isn't an intellectual? She graduated 2nd in her class at Princeton and then went to Yale where she received her J.D. and was the editor of the Yale Law Review. She has heard more cases and written more opinions than anyone else on the SC.

I do think though that she p'bly won't be a strong liberal voice. She is more to the Right than the Justice she is replacing. But intelluctually, it's hard to argue against her.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Why do you think she isn't an intellectual? She graduated 2nd in her class at Princeton and then went to Yale where she received her J.D. and was the editor of the Yale Law Review. She has heard more cases and written more opinions than anyone else on the SC.

I do think though that she p'bly won't be a strong liberal voice. She is more to the Right than the Justice she is replacing. But intelluctually, it's hard to argue against her.
I'm sure you realize her detractors aren't arguing against her "intellectually"...right?

[frerottenextelway]

I'm sure you realize her detractors aren't arguing against her "intellectually"...right?

"she doesn't seem super intellectual"

"I will say I think liberals blowing it because its a chance to put a real liberal intellectual on the court."

[footstepsfrom#27]

"she doesn't seem super intellectual"

"I will say I think liberals blowing it because its a chance to put a real liberal intellectual on the court."
Thanks...I rest my case.

[Rohirrim]

Franken is Issac Newton and Albert Einstein rolled into one as compared to Ronald Reagan's brain power.

Well, Franken did get his degree in political science from Harvard and is a fellow of the Kennedy School of Government there as well. He must have something going on upstairs.

[frerottenextelway]

Thanks...I rest my case.

:thumbsup:

[barryr]

Maybe Coleman will try to get votes thrown out like Gore tried with the oversea military votes back in 2000. Mondale, Ventura, and now Franken. Yes, Minnesota can really be taken seriously.

[Bronx33]

Another ace in obamas pocket no doubt..

[BroncoBuff]

It's the beginning to the end I think of our great nation.this country is so ****ed.

What is up with you two ... have you been paying any attention at all these past eight years? Bush in the WH with four years of solid Congressional majorities and two more with a working majority ... here's what happened and here's what they gave us:



9/11 attacks
Budget surplus turned into largest budget deficit ever in just five years
War of choice costing thousand of lives and limbs
Our nation more disliked than ever (thankfully Obama has begun healing this part)
Abu Ghraib
Selling our nation's soul by torturing (whether we think it's torture or not is irrelevant, it is seen as torture around the world)
Last but not least, this Bush Depression sends our economy down the drain


So now guys, which of these disasters did you miss? Is this amnesia or just simple denial?

spdirty, our country started being "so****ed" when middle class American's bought into Reagan's "enriching the rich" agenda. His flag-draped charm persuaded millions of middle and lower-middle class Americans to vote against their own interests ... THAT'S the REAL "stupid people allowed to vote" problem.

We were much much MUCH better off as a society with solid nuclear families who could buy a house and sometimes even put kids through college on a single income. Hope you don't disagree there.

Starting with Reagan, the rich became much much richer, and since he was in office, the number of billionaires has increased A THOUSANDFOLD (that stat from a CNN special on the "new super rich.") And neither you, me, nor 99.999% of the millions who bought his crap are among those billionaires.

We're just the ones who paid for it.

[BroncoBuff]

Yeah go to sleep and pretend this country isnt going to hell.

Again ... you're obviously the one who's been sleeping. Sleeping for eight long years.

[AbileneBroncoFan]

What is up with you two ... have you been paying any attention at all these past eight years? Bush in the WH with four years of solid Congressional majorities and two more with a working majority ... here's what happened and here's what they gave us:



9/11 attacks
Budget surplus turned into largest budget deficit ever in just five years
War of choice costing thousand of lives and limbs
Our nation more disliked than ever (thankfully Obama has begun healing this part)
Abu Ghraib
Selling our nation's soul by torturing (whether we think it's torture or not is irrelevant, it is seen as torture around the world)
Last but not least, this Bush Depression sends our economy down the drain


So now guys, which of these disasters did you miss? Is this amnesia or just simple denial?

spdirty, our country started being "so****ed" when middle class American's bought into Reagan's "enriching the rich" agenda. His flag-draped charm persuaded millions of middle and lower-middle class Americans to vote against their own interests ... THAT'S the REAL "stupid people allowed to vote" problem.

We were much much MUCH better off as a society with solid nuclear families who could buy a house and sometimes even put kids through college on a single income. Hope you don't disagree there.

Starting with Reagan, the rich became much much richer, and since he was in office, the number of billionaires has increased A THOUSANDFOLD (that stat from a CNN special on the "new super rich.") And neither you, me, nor 99.999% of the millions who bought his crap are among those billionaires.

We're just the ones who paid for it.

This thread is now over. Good luck next time boys.

[cutthemdown]

[QUOTE=Bronco Bob;2460944]Pope John Paul II and Lech Walesa had far more to do with the collapse
of the Soviet Union than Reagan. Reagan was just in the right place
at the right time.
/QUOTE]

I think this hold true for a lot of things that happen to Presidents. Clinton lucky the .com tech boom came after he was President and didn't collapse until right as he was leaving. His economy he gets credit for was largely fueled by that, he got lucky.

I agree though the wall destined to come down, soviets destined to fail.

Obviously you could say Bush JR a little unlucky, the Tsunami cost money, then we get a huge hurricane, 9-11.

Carter very unlucky with some events he had like the hostage situation, and that also led to reagan being lucky.

So I do agree with you.

[BroncoBuff]

What about George H.W. Bush? He was well into his term in office when the Soviets fell.


Might shock some of you to learn that I hold the elder Bush in very high esteem. Admire and respect him very much.

[Hogan11]

I like Al Franken, totally won me over after destroying both Ann Coulter and Bill O'Rielly in debates (not that that is any mean feat mind you).

[Bronx33]

Again ... you're obviously the one who's been sleeping. Sleeping for eight long years.


Do you think obama has this country on a track to recovery? not trying to be smartass but truely curious.

[Bronx33]

I like Al Franken, totally won me over after destroying both Ann Coulter and Bill O'Rielly in debates (not that that is any mean feat mind you).


Iam sorry but half of frankens popularity came from being on a comedy show in the 70s it should be a law that washed up old actors be exempt from any public office job.

[Rohirrim]

Iam sorry but half of frankens popularity came from being on a comedy show in the 70s it should be a law that washed up old actors be exempt from any public office job.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PFUyefilB6I/SF_xbWULsnI/AAAAAAAABo8/HXflppfDtYI/s400/Reagan%2Bwaving%2Bhands.jpg

[cutthemdown]

Do you think obama has this country on a track to recovery? not trying to be smartass but truely curious.

Well he bailed out the auto companies like GM, forced the Chrysler merger down shareholders votes, all to save his union buddies.

Then he made a huge spending bill that from what I heard is not spent.

[Bronx33]

Well he bailed out the auto companies like GM, forced the Chrysler merger down shareholders votes, all to save his union buddies.

Then he made a huge spending bill that from what I heard is not spent.


sarcasm?

[frerottenextelway]

Do you think obama has this country on a track to recovery? not trying to be smartass but truely curious.

I thought he started to until I found out he ate macadamia nuts. Now I have my doubts again.

[Bronx33]

I thought he started to until I found out he ate macadamia nuts. Now I have my doubts again.


I had .99 per 12 hotdogs at my feeble BBQ and had to settle for the cottonwood tree that was already there ( no palm trees or servants) :-[ .

[Bronco Bob]

Maybe Coleman will try to get votes thrown out like Gore tried with the oversea military votes back in 2000. Mondale, Ventura, and now Franken. Yes, Minnesota can really be taken seriously.

You been asleep? Coleman has tried every trick in the book to try to keep
the votes for Franken from being counted. Every single one of them were
shot down be a BI-PARTISAN commission and courts.

[cutthemdown]

sarcasm?

yeah lol

[BroncoBuff]

Do you think obama has this country on a track to recovery? not trying to be smartass but truely curious.

Good questin, I don't know. The spending scares me....

But I trust him a lot. He's lurching back toward the center now, and that ****es me off, but I trust him.