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oubronco
06-27-2009, 10:21 AM
No. Team Depth chart Breakdown
1. SAINTS
Drew Brees
Mark Brunell
Joey Harrington

Drew Brees is the fuel and engine for the Saints' high-powered offense. Consider that New Orleans led the NFL in scoring in '08 despite injuries to Marcus Colston, Reggie Bush and Deuce McAllister. If Brees goes down, the Saints should/could conceivably still sneak into the playoffs if all of their offensive weapons are standing. Mark Brunell's well past his glory days, but in the Saints' system should at least keep them competitive, as should Harrington. While New Orleans doesn't have the perfect package, they're at least three-deep at the game's most important position.

2. STEELERS
Ben Roethlisberger
Charlie Batch
Dennis Dixon
Mike Reilly
Kevin McCabe

With two Super Bowls in five seasons, Big Ben is now among the top five — maybe even the top three — quarterbacks in the NFL. He's got the big arm, the elusiveness and calm under pressure. But the thing about Pittsburgh is, their system is built on consistency and continuity. So for most teams, Charlie Batch as backup QB could be an issue — but not in Steeltown, where he has already shown his ability to keep this team (behind a historically-good run game and defense) afloat. Dixon gives Mike Tomlin a versatile "Wildcat" threat, if he so chooses.

3. CHARGERS
Philip Rivers
Billy Volek
Charlie Whitehurst

Rivers has proved himself to be the fiery leader and franchise quarterback, coming one road AFC title game loss to New England in '07 away from a Super Bowl shot. While he gives the Chargers a great shot of getting over the super hump, backup Billy Volek is a solid veteran who has playoff wins to fall back on. Along with prospect Charlie Whitehurst, San Diego GM A.J. Smith has the Bolts well-positioned in case of a serious injury bug.

4. COWBOYS
Tony Romo
Jon Kitna
Stephen McGee
Rudy Carpenter

There has been plenty of focus around Tony Romo's off-field action, but he's been pretty good on it. At least during the regular season. He's got the numbers and individual accolades (Pro Bowl berths in 2006 and 2007), but not the respect earned through playoff success. This year he also has no T.O., which Dallas hopes will allow him to lead more effectively. If Romo gets injured, this year they traded for backup Jon Kitna as a strong No. 2 — especially from the character POV. Kitna is one of the tougher, more well-respected players in football and should prove a great outlet for Romo as he seeks to take control of the Dallas locker room.

5. CARDINALS
Kurt Warner
Matt Leinart
Brian St. Pierre
Tyler Palko

Essentially, the Cards are 1 players deep at QB, led of course by the veteran Warner — coming off leading the Cards to their first Super Bowl appearance. Hall of Fame or not, even in his late 30s he delivers huge passing numbers (4,583 yards, 30 TDs in 2008). The big question: If Kurt got hurt last year, could Matt Leinart have led 'Zona to the Super Bowl? Likely not, though at least Leinart's working hard this offseason.

6. PANTHERS
Jake Delhomme
Josh McCown
Matt Moore
Hunter Cantwell

Delhomme is set as Carolina's franchise quarterback and one of the better clutch arms in the business, plus with two division titles and a Super Bowl trip on his resume. If Jake goes down, their backup should keep them headed toward the playoffs. McCown has been a part-time starter in the league, but mostly on bad teams like Arizona and Oakland. Moore was overmatched in three emergency starts as a rookie in '07, but is young enough for the Panthers to groom for the future.

7. EAGLES
Donovan McNabb
Kevin Kolb
A.J. Feeley

By rallying his Eagles to within a few minutes of the Super Bowl, Donovan McNabb has re-established himself among the game's elite passers. Still, his injury history begs the question, "What if?" The jury is out on 2007 draft pick Kevin Kolb, who was forced to face the Ravens during a second-half in Baltimore in his only chance to snatch the starting gig from Philly's No. 5. At least Feeley has helped guide the Eagles during tough stretches minus McNabb in the past, giving Andy Reid an option of confidence.

8. PATRIOTS
Tom Brady
Kevin O'Connell
Matt Gutierrez
Brian Hoyer

The man is back, and all of New England can breathe sighs of relief. But what if Brady, the three-time Super Bowl champion, gets hurt again? Well, we scoffed at the Pats' chances last September when Mr. Perfect got injured because Matt Cassel — a dude who had not started a game since freaking high school. Then Cassel turned in a Pro Bowl season. Could Bill Belichick do it again with NFL mysteries O'Connell, Gutierrez and Hoyer? Highly unlikely.

9. COLTS
Peyton Manning
Jim Sorgi
Curtis Painter
Chris Crane

The Colts should move to L.A., as they'd be the perfect dweller in such a major city built on a series of earthquake-prone faults. Hey, they've got Peyton Manning, so they should have one of football's top two QB groups, right? Well heaven forbid, what will happen to the team if Manning ever DOES get injured? With all due apologies, Jim Sorgi, Curtis Painter and Chris Crane (who???) would not cause any defensive coordinators one less wink at night. Maybe the gambling Colts should move to Las Vegas instead.

10. BENGALS
Carson Palmer
J.T. O'Sullivan
Jordan Palmer
Billy Farris

Everyone around the Bengals is aglow from watching Carson Palmer's offseason activity. With their two-time Pro Bowler seemingly in perfect health, the Bengals' passing game should come back to life — considering Palmer averaged 28 TD passes per season from 2005-07. Behind him, not too much. J.T. O'Sullivan turns 30 in August and whiffed on his best shot as a No. 1 in San Francisco last season. Neither Carson's little brother (Jordan, with two career picks in 12 passes) or Billy Farris have any NFL success to their credit.

11. FALCONS
Matt Ryan
Chris Redman
D.J. Shockley
John Parker Wilson

Ryan was a rookie revelation in 2008, and all signs point to even further development as a soph — both from minicamp reports and the addition of stud TE Tony Gonzalez, which should expedite his evolution. Behind Ryan, however, there's not much else. Redman is a veteran with 10 career starts, but a journeyman who was out of the league from 2004-06. Behind him are two young prospects, but already playing behind a second-year QB Atlanta would be better served by a veteran with more game experience.

12. BILLS
Trent Edwards
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Gibran Hamdan (RFA)
Matt Baker

Edwards is the perfect quarterback to build around, which is exactly what Buffalo has done this offseason — the T.O. addition being a biggest move. If Terrell Owens can enhance and not inhibit Edwards' development, it's a huge win for the Bills. Credit Buffalo for a nice little pickup this offseason at their backup spot, grabbing Ryan Fitzpatrick from Cincy — who played admirably (especially down the stretch) while filling in for Carson Palmer in '08.

13. TEXANS
Matt Schaub
Dan Orlovsky
Rex Grossman
Alex Brink

Believe it or not, this is not a bad group in Houston. While this is a make-or-break season for Schuab, he has shown enough in two seasons as the Texans' starter to give them valid playoff hopes. His biggest issue has been staying healthy, as he missed five games in each of the past two seasons. But Houston may not have too big of a problem as they should have a dcent battle for the No. 2 spot this summer, as ex-Lions starter Dan Orlovsky takes on former Bears QB Rex Grossman. While both have their warts, Orlovsky often gave the terrible Lions their best chance at winning in '08 and Grossman did lead the Bears to the Super Bowl once. It could be worse.

14. DOLPHINS
Chad Pennington
Chad Henne
Pat White

Whereas the Dolphins were a total mess two seasons ago throughout the Cam Cameron nightmare, Bill Parcells has transformed his QB depth chart and now has three interesting options. The starter Pennington played keep-away to near-perfection en route to leading to Dolphins to the AFC East title last year while winning NFL Comeback Player of the Year honors. But Miami really likes Chad Henne as a big-time QB prospect, while they also drafted the versatile Pat White this April as the possibly the perfect threat in their patented "Wildcat" offense.

15. CHIEFS
Matt Cassel
Tyler Thigpen
Brodie Croyle
Ingle Martin

After total, utter chaos reigned at the position last season, give it up to new general manager Scott Pioli for scoring a QB stud in Matt Cassel, who threw for 3,693 yards, 21 TDs and 11 interceptions while being Tom Brady-Light in New England. He should stabilize the pocket, but behind him is Thigpen (played well at times in 2008) and Croyle (another young gun whom K.C. once thought was the QB of the future. There are worse situations in the league.

16. RAVENS
Joe Flacco
Troy Smith
John Beck
Drew Willy

Who'd have thought Joe Flacco would rescue the Ravens last season? While he was more of a game manager than Atlanta's fellow rookie Matt Ryan (partially thanks to a dominating defense behind him), like Ryan and the Falcons Baltimore is surprisingly barren at backup quarterback. Nos. 2 and 3 on the depth chart, Smith and Beck have combined for six NFL starts (1-5 combined record as starter). If Flacco goes down, Baltimore's season is immediately in jeopardy.

17. GIANTS
Eli Manning
David Carr
Rhett Bomar
Andre Woodson

If former Super Bowl champion Eli Manning gets hurt for an extended period, watch the Giants' offense go into "three yards and a cloud of dust" mode. Somehow, former mega-draft bust David Carr has found a home as New York's backup — despite being scarred seemingly beyond repair from being a pinata in Houston for five seasons. Behind Carr are two youngsters sans snaps at this level, meaning Big Blue fans should offer armed escorts and bubble-wrap any time Eli steps outside his door.

18. PACKERS
Aaron Rodgers
Matt Flynn
Brian Brohm

One of the more overlooked story angles lost in all the Brett Favre hubbub was how well Aaron Rodgers played. He put up legitmate Pro Bowl-type numbers in his first season as starter, with 4,038 yards and 28 touchdown passes. Problem is, the Pack struggled mightily on defense and fell to double digits in the loss column. While Rodgers seems to have proved himself — at least on paper — his backups leave zero safety net for Green Bay in case of injury. I'd be fine with Doug Pederson at this point.

19. BEARS
Jay Cutler
Caleb Hanie
Brett Basanez

Well, at least now the Bears finally have one legitimate, top-shelf QB. They just may not have anyone behind him if Cutler ever gets hurt. First, how good is Cutler? Critics point to his offseason pouting in Denver, his 18 interceptions in 2008 and fact that he's never led a team to the playoffs. But he did have a horrible defense in Denver, which on paper the Bears should be an improvement. But Caleb Hanie and Brett Basanez as backups? Chicago's front office should be ashamed to head into the season with no proven backup.

20. TITANS
Kerry Collins
Vince Young
Patrick Ramsey
Alex Mortenson

Technically, the Titans are set with three guys who can play right now with Collins, Young and Ramsey. But there are big chinks in everyone's persona. Collins, while he enjoyed a career revival and is entrenched as the team's starter, is not your elite passer expected to win battles against the Bradys, Mannings or other NFL top guns. Vince Young is trying to stunt a downward career spiral. Ramsey is backup fodder, though he is tough and will compete. At least the Titans have three guys who should keep the team competitive, pending Young's state of mind.

21. SEAHAWKS
Matt Hasselbeck
Seneca Wallace
Mike Teel
Jeff Rowe

Seattle's ranking all has to do with which Matt Hasselbeck is available this season — the healthy fireplug who led the 'Hawks to a Super Bowl XL appearance, or the bald guy with the bum arm. Wallace has had specs of success, but too sporadic to consider him anything more than a career backup. Many insiders were surprised Seattle did not draft Mark Sanchez with its No. 4 pick in the draft, seeing as they do not have a franchise QB to groom for the post-Hasselbeck era.

22. RAMS
Marc Bulger
Kyle Boller
Keith Null
Brock Berlin

Can Marc Bulger revive his career? He probably can with a real live NFL offensive line around him. Once a Pro Bowl-caliber QB, Bulger needs a big season after two straight years of struggles. The Rams added Kyle Boller as a backup, who seemed to be evolving in Baltimore until injuries cost him his 2008 season — and Joe Flacco stole his job. Other than that, this pocket has a few holes in it.

23. JAGUARS
David Garrard
Todd Bouman
Paul Smith

While he should not bear the brunt of the team's problems last season as the Jaguars came apart both on-field and off in 2008, David Garrard still only has one solid season as a starter under his belt. His backup Bouman was out of football last season and last took a meaningful NFL snap in 2005 — or several years before Twitter became a name in pop culture. Jack Del Rio's team is not positioned well for a season-wrecking injury.

24. REDSKINS
Jason Campbell
Todd Collins
Colt Brennan
Chase Daniels

The Redskins entertained deals for both Jay Cutler and Mark Sanchez this offseason, and were major players in trade talks for each. That says everything about their lack of confidence in Jason Campbell, whom ex-coach Joe Gibbs recently said has rabbit ears. This is a huge year for Campbell, who must prove he is more than just an average guy. Todd Collins knows the offense inside and out, making him an excellent backup. The No. 3 spot appears to be a camp battle between two rookies coming off stud college careers. While the group is deep, the lack of a true No. 1 hurts their cause.

25. BROWNS
Brady Quinn
Derek Anderson
Brett Ratliff
Richard Bartel

The good thing about a quarterback competition? Plenty of depth. The bad thing: No true No. 1 guy. Granted, Derek Anderson did lead the Browns to the playoff doorstep with a wildly successful 2007, but failed so much last year that most local fans and media expect former first-round pick Brady Quinn to win the gig this fall. If Quinn fulfills his hype, the Browns have a strong group of passers along with prospect Brett Ratliff, a Mangini favorite from his stint with the Jets. But if not, the Browns have to go QB hunting in next year's draft.

26. LIONS
Daunte Culpepper
Matthew Stafford
Drew Stanton
Justin Goltz

While it's tough to judge a rookie QB before he takes a big-league snap, Matt Stafford's presence is giving lots of Lions fans some real hope. Just don't hope for much THIS season. That said, if Daunte Culpepper is in much better shape (as he appeared to be in minicamps) and has his head back on straight, Detroit should win a few games this season ... which for them ain't too shabby. He can keep the seat warm until "The Franchise" is ready to take over.

27. JETS
Kellen Clemens
Mark Sanchez
Erik Ainge
Chris Pizzotti

Call the Jets' QB race "Young and Younger." Kellen Clemens has his chance to win the starting gig and is currently atop the team depth chart, but frankly, it's probably the best chance he'll ever have. Realistically he needs to light up the Jets' practice field this summer to have a shot at starting, judging from the buzz around New York's glamour rookie Sanchez. While the road may be rugged in '08, at least Rex Ryan and the Jets seemingly have their franchise quarterback.

28. BUCCANEERS
Luke McCown
Byron Leftwich
Josh Freeman
Brian Griese
Josh Johnson

For a team that hasn't yet decided on a starting QB, Tampa Bay sure does have plenty of interesting choices. They have three veterans gunning for the top spot in McCown, Leftwich and Griese (though Griese's absence at team OTAs may point to an eventual release). Behind them are two greenies — the Bucs' former hot QB prospect (Johnson) and current (Freeman, the team's first-round pick from April). With so many arms, has QB addict former head coach Jon Gruden really been fired?

29. RAIDERS
JaMarcus Russell
Jeff Garcia
Andrew Walter
Bruce Gradkowski
Charlie Frye
Danny Southwick

The Raiders lead the league in recognizable names at quarterback. Other than that, this group leads in nothing but question marks. The jury is WAY out on former No. 1 overall pick JaMarcus Russell "getting it" this season. Walter has never been good enough to get his shot by the Bay, and both Gradkowski and Frye flamed out in prior, brief stints as NFL starters. Give Al Davis credit for a smart move in bringing in feisty veteran Jeff Garcia this offseason, even though he seems a poor fit for the owner's "Mad Bomber" philosophy.

30. VIKINGS
Sage Rosenfels
Tarvaris Jackson
John David Booty
Sean Glennon

As of this writing, this ranking does not include a certain veteran from Mississippi. So judging the quarterbacks currently on the roster, it's clear why coach Brad Childress is entertaining Brett Favre — even at his age and physical condition. You can argue that Favre's been wrong in how he's handled all of his retirement drama the past few years, but not the reason for his current summer fling — the Vikings are one QB from a Super Bowl run. Sage Rosenfels or Tarvaris Jackson would be hoped simply not to screw it up as a starter.

31. 49ERS
Shaun Hill
Damon Huard
Alex Smith
Nate Davis
Kirby Freeman

There's a big battle going on for the Niners' top spot, but a battle of mediocrity considering past NFL experience. Hill is the incumbent, who put up surprising decent numbers last season (62.8% completed, 13 TDs, 8 INT). Mr. Smith is healed both mentally and physically, and OTA reports are grading him well. Huard is a solid veteran to help guide the youngsters. For a rebuilding team with no true bonafide franchise stud, at least the 49ers have some options .... even if they're not Joe Montana or Steve Young.

32. BRONCOS
Kyle Orton
Chris Simms
Tom Brandstater

Well, Josh McDaniels, you'd better be right about Kyle Orton. Denver fans will not react well if Orton fails to lead Denver to the postseason, and especially if the Broncos' ex Jay Cutler gets to play deep into January. While Orton is 21-12 as an NFL starter and nearly pushed Chicago to the playoffs a year ago, he lacks the elite skillset of a Cutler. Some around Denver wonder if Orton will even beat out Chris Simms for the starting job. For reference, Simms' last starting experience came in 2006 in Tampa, where he went 0-3 with 1 TD and 7 INTs ... and somewhere, Broncos fans moan.



http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9735822/Positional-Power-Rankings:-QB-packages

telluride
06-27-2009, 10:27 AM
Excellent. Keep underestimating us.

watermock
06-27-2009, 10:27 AM
At least we're gonna have that rock and roll defense, right?

NYBronco
06-27-2009, 10:30 AM
32. BRONCOS
Kyle Orton
Chris Simms
Tom Brandstater Well, Josh McDaniels, you'd better be right about Kyle Orton. Denver fans will not react well if Orton fails to lead Denver to the postseason, and especially if the Broncos' ex Jay Cutler gets to play deep into January. While Orton is 21-12 as an NFL starter and nearly pushed Chicago to the playoffs a year ago, he lacks the elite skillset of a Cutler. Some around Denver wonder if Orton will even beat out Chris Simms for the starting job. For reference, Simms' last starting experience came in 2006 in Tampa, where he went 0-3 with 1 TD and 7 INTs ... and somewhere, Broncos fans moan.

I am going to say that the elite skillset Orton lacked in Chicago was the offensive line and WR's. Denver is well above Chicago in these areas.

This Bronco fan isn't moaning. I am excited to see how McDaniels can revitalize the Broncos on gameday.

Sodak
06-27-2009, 10:33 AM
Good read. Thanks.

I wonder what Joe Gibbs meant when he said Jason Campbell has "rabbit ears". I've heard that before but never knew what it meant.

TexanBob
06-27-2009, 01:02 PM
Ranking The Nfl's Qb Packages

I'll defer to the judgement of our gay fans. I'm not really into checking out their packages.

JJJ
06-27-2009, 01:15 PM
This is a bit harsh on your QBs I think. Last in the league? Behind the Raiders?

A fairer ranking is around 20 or so.

kupesdad
06-27-2009, 01:48 PM
Good read. Thanks.

I wonder what Joe Gibbs meant when he said Jason Campbell has "rabbit ears". I've heard that before but never knew what it meant.

When a coach is talking about a referee "rabbit ears" means he hears everything that is said and usually follows it with a flag or penalty (in hockey) I suppose with reference to a QB it would mean he's too sensitive when he hears comments. Just a guess, but being a coach for many years, I've run into a lot of refs with rabbit ears. Or I may just have a big mouth.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-27-2009, 02:27 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9735822/Positional-Power-Rankings:-QB-packages

:rofl:

32. BRONCOS

Kyle Orton
Chris Simms
Tom Brandstater

Well, Josh McDaniels, you'd better be right about Kyle Orton. Denver fans will not react well if Orton fails to lead Denver to the postseason, and especially if the Broncos' ex Jay Cutler gets to play deep into January. While Orton is 21-12 as an NFL starter and nearly pushed Chicago to the playoffs a year ago, he lacks the elite skillset of a Cutler. Some around Denver wonder if Orton will even beat out Chris Simms for the starting job. For reference, Simms' last starting experience came in 2006 in Tampa, where he went 0-3 with 1 TD and 7 INTs ... and somewhere, Broncos fans moan.

DBroncos4life
06-27-2009, 02:42 PM
Nope all is well in Denver just more of the media hating Denver and how they fail to understand that without McD that Pats wouldn't have found Tom Brady (even though Brady was a Pat a year before McD) and because of McD he was able to turn Cassel into one of the highest paid over rated worthless QBs in the NFL. McD ran the Pats BB is just a puppet.

Punisher
06-27-2009, 02:53 PM
I thought K.C fans where the best fans on Earth isn't it Ironic that Bob is a asshole and a K.C too ???

Tombstone RJ
06-27-2009, 02:56 PM
No real argument here... I think these rankings are pure speculation and opinion in order to generate interest and so um, what's my point?

BroncoBuff
06-27-2009, 03:05 PM
No no no .... that is way wrong.

Just for example, and old beat up Daunte and a raw rookie Stafford is definitely a worse package, for 2009 at least.

Tarvaris and Frerotte? That's not better ...

Kellen Clemens and Sanchez? That's not better ...

Campbell and Todd Collins? That's not better ...

boltaneer
06-27-2009, 03:19 PM
Wow, that list is horrible. I hate to defend the Broncos but they have no business being ranked 32nd.

Oh, and I'd drop the Chiefs about 11 spots, one below Denver.

Tombstone RJ
06-27-2009, 03:24 PM
Wow, that list is horrible. I hate to defend the Broncos but they have no business being ranked 32nd.

Oh, and I'd drop the Chiefs about 11 spots, one below Denver.

Wow, a Sandy Eggo fan defending the Broncos... nice...

boltaneer
06-27-2009, 03:39 PM
Wow, a Sandy Eggo fan defending the Broncos... nice...

Heh, well I'm a Simms fan. He showed flashes in Tampa but that brutal injury just ruined him for the past couple of years. If he can bounce back from that injury, he'll be a FA steal.

Not a fan of Orton at all but he's turned out to be a serviceable QB.

With McDaniels' system, I think Denver's offense should still be able to manufacture a good number of points, especially if Moreno is what he's advertised to be. I think the defense will still suck like no other though. You have to build from the inside out, not the other way around. And I still don't understand why they want to go to a 3-4. Maybe Nolan pulls a miracle but I doubt it. I actually think he's a bit overrated, if that's even possible.

Tom A Hawk
06-27-2009, 06:29 PM
Wow, that list is horrible. I hate to defend the Broncos but they have no business being ranked 32nd.

Oh, and I'd drop the Chiefs about 11 spots, one below Denver.

yup, that is why McDaniels wanted Cassel so bad.
You come across as stupid

Tombstone RJ
06-27-2009, 07:23 PM
22. RAMS
Marc Bulger
Kyle Boller
Keith Null
Brock Berlin

Can Marc Bulger revive his career? He probably can with a real live NFL offensive line around him. Once a Pro Bowl-caliber QB, Bulger needs a big season after two straight years of struggles. The Rams added Kyle Boller as a backup, who seemed to be evolving in Baltimore until injuries cost him his 2008 season — and Joe Flacco stole his job. Other than that, this pocket has a few holes in it.

I think this group sucks bad... Dare I say the Bronco's QBs will outshine this group?

oubronco
06-27-2009, 07:25 PM
22. RAMS
Marc Bulger
Kyle Boller
Keith Null
Brock Berlin

Can Marc Bulger revive his career? He probably can with a real live NFL offensive line around him. Once a Pro Bowl-caliber QB, Bulger needs a big season after two straight years of struggles. The Rams added Kyle Boller as a backup, who seemed to be evolving in Baltimore until injuries cost him his 2008 season and Joe Flacco stole his job. Other than that, this pocket has a few holes in it.

I think this group sucks bad... Dare I say the Bronco's QBs will outshine this group?

God I hope so.................................. but I don't know

SouthStndJunkie
06-27-2009, 08:08 PM
32 sounds about right.

boltaneer
06-27-2009, 09:01 PM
yup, that is why McDaniels wanted Cassel so bad.
You come across as stupid

I think McDaniels is a bumbling idiot so his man-crush for Cassell makes perfect sense to me.

The "system quarterback" did his job last year for McDaniels but if you really watched him, his play wasn't very impressive though he (finally) did slowly improve towards the end of the year.

I think the Chiefs are going to be in for a rude awakening but let's revisit this at the end of this season. If Cassell lights it up, I'll eat crow. If he flops, let's see if you come back to eat crow as well. And I'll also be LMAO at the Chiefs for blowing $15+ million on a backup.

loborugger
06-27-2009, 09:06 PM
19. BEARS
Jay Cutler
Caleb Hanie
Brett Basanez

Well, at least now the Bears finally have one legitimate, top-shelf QB. They just may not have anyone behind him if Cutler ever gets hurt. First, how good is Cutler? Critics point to his offseason pouting in Denver, his 18 interceptions in 2008 and fact that he's never led a team to the playoffs. But he did have a horrible defense in Denver, which on paper the Bears should be an improvement. But Caleb Hanie and Brett Basanez as backups? Chicago's front office should be ashamed to head into the season with no proven backup.

This little list isnt exactly in love with our jilted lover, either.

This list seems to me to be a bit in love with the back up. I understand a decent back up is important; however, there is a reason the dude is back up. Barring a little luck, a team's season is screwed when their starting QB goes down. And I am sorry, rating NO #1 on the strength of old, old man Brunell is reaching. Also, Delhomme at #6? Does anyone remember that INTfest that put the Cards in the NFC champ game?

broncswin
06-27-2009, 09:30 PM
At least we're gonna have that rock and roll defense, right?

dipsh*t:thumbsup:

watermock
06-27-2009, 10:11 PM
No doubt Cutler has alot of pressure.
So will Favre, amd Stafford and Rodgers.

Only Cutler will be expected to put up big numbers tho, despite having Forte and a D that make denvers a debbie downer.

Look at GB. They had 3 years to groom Rodgers and he still sucked.

It's still a team game.

That is literally all I ask out of McBeavis this year.

(Jae)
06-27-2009, 10:12 PM
Why are the the Cardinals so high?

5. CARDINALS
Kurt Warner
Matt Leinart =Slop
Brian St. Pierre
Tyler Palko



Is Matt Leinhart that impressive to you?

SoCalBronco
06-27-2009, 10:13 PM
This Bronco fan isn't moaning. .

Ofcourse you're not. The novacaine hasn't worn off, yet. Give it about 3-4 months.

watermock
06-27-2009, 10:37 PM
Fact is, Warner has been among the best QB's in the league for a decade.

Leinart was taken befor Cutler, right?

400HZ
06-28-2009, 01:13 AM
Ranking by packages is dumb in my opinion. The great majority of those backups have never taken the field for significant time playing for their current team. It makes a lot more sense to just rank the starters and admit that the teams with good ones are screwed if they go down. I posted this right after the season and my opinion hasn't changed:


I think you have to put them in clusters of equals to be fair and accurate. You also have to take a blend of what they have accomplished individually and what their teams have accomplished with them playing the most important position.

The Best
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning

The Upper Tier
Drew Brees
Phillip Rivers
Kurt Warner

The Upper Tier with a caveat
Ben Roethlisberger (Winning Superbowls is awesome, but less a reflection of the quarterback on a team built for defense with the #1 defense in every category. He almost got benched, so I'm being fair here)
Donovan McNabb (also got benched at one point)

Good but Shipped with Defective Components
Tony Romo
Chad Pennington
Jay Cutler
Eli Manning

They Can Play, God Just Hates Them Recently
Carson Palmer
Matt Hasselbeck

Young Guns on the Rise
Aaron Rodgers
Matt Ryan
Matt Cassel

The Decent Journeymen
Kerry Collins
Jeff Garcia
Matt Schaub

The "Flashes" Guys
Trent Edwards
Derek Anderson
Joe Flacco

The Ones Who Leave You Feeling Comfortable 25% of the Time
Jason Campbell
Kyle Orton
David Garrard

The Vets Waiting For Pink Slips to Show Up in the Locker
Marc Bulger
Jake Delhomme

The Ones Who Know We're Laughing At Them
Shaun Hill
Tarvaris Jackson
JaMarcus Russell
Brady Quinn


Here's the link to the original thread:
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=78612

HAT
06-28-2009, 01:25 AM
Ranking by packages is dumb in my opinion. The great majority of those backups have never taken the field for significant time playing for their current team. It makes a lot more sense to just rank the starters and admit that the teams with good ones are screwed if they go down. I posted this right after the season and my opinion hasn't changed:



Here's the link to the original thread:
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=78612

Great post and I agree with most of the list...Except Shaun Hill. Just out of curiosity, where would you have put Brees in his transition year between SD & NO?

SoCalBronco
06-28-2009, 01:30 AM
Ranking by packages is dumb in my opinion.

Bob disagrees with you.

That's always how he does his rankings.

;D

400HZ
06-28-2009, 01:41 AM
Great post and I agree with most of the list...Except Shaun Hill. Just out of curiosity, where would you have put Brees in his transition year between SD & NO?

I remember looking at the Pro Bowl roster after the 2005 season and thinking that even though he missed making the AFC team, he would probably be the best quarterback in the NFC. In the AFC that year he was probably on a level with Trent Green, squarely behind Peyton, Palmer, and Brady. Those three had fantastic seasons in 2005.

SureShot
06-28-2009, 01:46 AM
You know when you are in bizzarro land when telluride becomes a sunshine pumper.

boltaneer
06-28-2009, 04:57 AM
Bob disagrees with you.

That's always how he does his rankings.

;D

Yes, this thread title is disturbing!

BTW, great list 400. :thumbs:

NYBronco
06-28-2009, 05:19 AM
Ofcourse you're not. The novacaine hasn't worn off, yet. Give it about 3-4 months.

The pain killers went away with the news Shanahan was gone.

Circle Orange
06-28-2009, 03:27 PM
When I first saw the header of this thread, I had strange thoughts. :wiggle:

However, I suppose cooler "heads" must prevail...