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alkemical
06-25-2009, 11:45 AM
Monsanto & Cancer Milk: Fox News Kills Story and Fires Reporters

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gyldenlove
06-25-2009, 12:04 PM
I would say that I am surprised, but really I am not. The FDA is one of the most corrupt and incompetent organizations in the world, they are right up there with Russian border patrols and Uzbekistani immigration authorities.

This isn't the only demontrably unsafe drug used to treat food producing animals in the US that is illegal in many other places. Hell, most American beef can't be exported overseas because it is so full of preemptive antibiotics and synthesized growth hormones that it is not even deemed safe for animal consumption.

rugbythug
06-25-2009, 12:08 PM
I would say that I am surprised, but really I am not. The FDA is one of the most corrupt and incompetent organizations in the world, they are right up there with Russian border patrols and Uzbekistani immigration authorities.

This isn't the only demontrably unsafe drug used to treat food producing animals in the US that is illegal in many other places. Hell, most American beef can't be exported overseas because it is so full of preemptive antibiotics and synthesized growth hormones that it is not even deemed safe for animal consumption.

You are full of it. I grew up on a farm. Raised animals for slaughter. And got a BA in Agroecology.

rugbythug
06-25-2009, 12:12 PM
IN other news
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DomCasual
06-25-2009, 12:15 PM
IN other news
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I think Don Henley jumped the shark after he left the Eagles.

footstepsfrom#27
06-25-2009, 12:20 PM
You are full of it. I grew up on a farm. Raised animals for slaughter. And got a BA in Agroecology.
Maybe about the rest of that...I wouldn't know...but not about the FDA.

cutthemdown
06-25-2009, 12:22 PM
I would say that I am surprised, but really I am not. The FDA is one of the most corrupt and incompetent organizations in the world, they are right up there with Russian border patrols and Uzbekistani immigration authorities.

This isn't the only demontrably unsafe drug used to treat food producing animals in the US that is illegal in many other places. Hell, most American beef can't be exported overseas because it is so full of preemptive antibiotics and synthesized growth hormones that it is not even deemed safe for animal consumption.

You are so full of it

Garcia Bronco
06-25-2009, 12:23 PM
I would say that I am surprised, but really I am not. The FDA is one of the most corrupt and incompetent organizations

And yet people want Government run health care.....LOL.

rugbythug
06-25-2009, 12:23 PM
Our Food is safer than anywhere else in the world.

That said the FDA is a Gov't Bureaucracy and Behaves as such.

cutthemdown
06-25-2009, 12:26 PM
I would say that I am surprised, but really I am not. The FDA is one of the most corrupt and incompetent organizations in the world, they are right up there with Russian border patrols and Uzbekistani immigration authorities.

This isn't the only demontrably unsafe drug used to treat food producing animals in the US that is illegal in many other places. Hell, most American beef can't be exported overseas because it is so full of preemptive antibiotics and synthesized growth hormones that it is not even deemed safe for animal consumption.

By the way could you list the countries that currently do not allow USA beef to be sold or consumed in there country?

Since you always spout crap with nothing to back it up I doubt you will be able to prove your point that MOST beef can't be exported.

IMO to say most you better come up with about 30-40 countries that don't allow American beef or admit you are full of BULL!!!!!!

cutthemdown
06-25-2009, 12:27 PM
S Korea for awhile banned american beef, as did Taiwan I think? But as far as I know that has since been lifted as our beef is good and safe.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
06-25-2009, 12:27 PM
they are right up there with Russian border patrols.

Did you know that Sarah Palin can see them from her back porch?

cutthemdown
06-25-2009, 12:29 PM
And yet people want Government run health care.....LOL.

Someone asked Obama if he would promise to use only the services that his health plan provided if his wife or kids ever got sick.

Obama would not bite but did say I will always look for the best care for my family. In other words hell know he wouldn't want govt deciding what procedures his family gets.

Pony Boy
06-25-2009, 12:37 PM
S Korea for awhile banned american beef, as did Taiwan I think? But as far as I know that has since been lifted as our beef is good and safe.

Been there !!! (S. Korea) Those people will eat rats and anything they can catch and skin. They would eat American Beef raw if they had the chance, if they banned American beef it was political not for health reasons.

DomCasual
06-25-2009, 12:39 PM
Did you know that Sarah Palin can see them from her back porch?

That's kind of a low blow. It helps her run Alaska. It's a common fact.

DomCasual
06-25-2009, 12:40 PM
And yet people want Government run health care.....LOL.

Okay, that's actually pretty good.

Beantown Bronco
06-25-2009, 12:47 PM
Hell, most American beef can't be exported overseas because it is so full of preemptive antibiotics and synthesized growth hormones that it is not even deemed safe for animal consumption.

Pure BS, as others have mentioned. In 2003, when mad cow disease was the hot topic of the day, lot's of countries put temporary bans on US and Canadian beef until they improved the testing for that one problem. All but one or two countries lifted their bans within 2 years. South Korea is the only one I'm aware of that still has a ban, and it's only a partial ban.....and, as was mentioned by another, it's a political issue, not a health issue.

American beef is most definitely safe for animal consumption.

UberBroncoMan
06-25-2009, 01:10 PM
Someone asked Obama if he would promise to use only the services that his health plan provided if his wife or kids ever got sick.

Obama would not bite but did say I will always look for the best care for my family. In other words hell know he wouldn't want govt deciding what procedures his family gets.

Honestly who in their right mind would chose being on a list where the goal of doctors is to get people in and out quickly to get the next person on the list, over a private health care professional who's more interested in your well being so that you keep coming back to them whenever you do get ill. No **** Obama is going to use private health care for his family, and he always will long after he is done being president. People wonder why so many people come to the United States for health care from abroad... durkady durka duuuuur.

alkemical
06-25-2009, 01:17 PM
Until american livestock is stopped being fed other animals, i wont' deem it "safe".

Beantown Bronco
06-25-2009, 01:38 PM
Until american livestock is stopped being fed other animals, i wont' deem it "safe".

Nice. More for me.

alkemical
06-25-2009, 01:50 PM
Nice. More for me.

That's fine. I only buy free range food. I don't like the fact diseased animals are killed and put into commercial feed. It's why mad-cow is a bigger threat than we are told.

rugbythug
06-25-2009, 01:53 PM
Until american livestock is stopped being fed other animals, i wont' deem it "safe".

That has not happened for a while.

rugbythug
06-25-2009, 01:57 PM
That's fine. I only buy free range food. I don't like the fact diseased animals are killed and put into commercial feed. It's why mad-cow is a bigger threat than we are told.

THis is moronic. Mad-Cow disease has been around for years. It originally Presented as Scrappies in sheep. Animals who got it tended to itch there back constantly. Most often passed hereditarily and through the eating of afterbirth. Once found in a sheep herd the entire Herd was Killed and Burned.

alkemical
06-25-2009, 02:02 PM
That has not happened for a while.

Incorrect:

On a factory beef or dairy farm, the main staples of a cow’s diet are corn and soy, which cows don’t digest well. In fact, because their digestive systems are not designed for grain, cattle can develop severe health problems, including liver abscesses and sudden death syndrome.ix For filler, factory farms will also add animal by-products to industrial cattle feed, and these additions can transmit diseases like mad cow to both animals and humans.


also:


According to guidelines set forth in the National Research Council's 1974 publication, The Nutrient Requirements of Dogs, all mammals (other than humans) are legally allowable "meat" for rendering so long as they are not decayed. States can pass more restrictive standards, but only a few states don't allow rendering of "4-D" sources: dying, dead, disabled, or diseased tissues.



But i'm sure the beef council will say differently.

alkemical
06-25-2009, 02:03 PM
THis is moronic. Mad-Cow disease has been around for years. It originally Presented as Scrappies in sheep. Animals who got it tended to itch there back constantly. Most often passed hereditarily and through the eating of afterbirth. Once found in a sheep herd the entire Herd was Killed and Burned.

Or through eating diseased animal turned into filler for feed.

rugbythug
06-25-2009, 02:06 PM
Incorrect:

On a factory beef or dairy farm, the main staples of a cow’s diet are corn and soy, which cows don’t digest well. In fact, because their digestive systems are not designed for grain, cattle can develop severe health problems, including liver abscesses and sudden death syndrome.ix For filler, factory farms will also add animal by-products to industrial cattle feed, and these additions can transmit diseases like mad cow to both animals and humans.


also:


According to guidelines set forth in the National Research Council's 1974 publication, The Nutrient Requirements of Dogs, all mammals (other than humans) are legally allowable "meat" for rendering so long as they are not decayed. States can pass more restrictive standards, but only a few states don't allow rendering of "4-D" sources: dying, dead, disabled, or diseased tissues.



But i'm sure the beef council will say differently.

Be honest. When is the last time you even stepped foot on a Farm?

Just as a side note. They have found the gene in sheep that causes resistance to Scrappies. With in a few short years all sheep will be scrappies resistant. We-On our farm-Have only bought rams that are resistant. For several years. All the Ewes will be resistant with in a gen or two.

gyldenlove
06-25-2009, 02:06 PM
By the way could you list the countries that currently do not allow USA beef to be sold or consumed in there country?

Since you always spout crap with nothing to back it up I doubt you will be able to prove your point that MOST beef can't be exported.

IMO to say most you better come up with about 30-40 countries that don't allow American beef or admit you are full of BULL!!!!!!

Here are 27 countries, they are called the EU and may be familiar with at least some of them, althought I don't think you will heard of all of them, but that is understandable:

Member states of the EU
Austria
Belgium
Bulgaria
Cyprus
Czech Republic
Denmark
Estonia
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Hungary
Ireland
Italy
Latvia
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Malta
Netherlands
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Slovakia
Slovenia
Spain
Sweden
United Kingdom

They are all part of the EU ban on American beef.

gyldenlove
06-25-2009, 02:09 PM
Pure BS, as others have mentioned. In 2003, when mad cow disease was the hot topic of the day, lot's of countries put temporary bans on US and Canadian beef until they improved the testing for that one problem. All but one or two countries lifted their bans within 2 years. South Korea is the only one I'm aware of that still has a ban, and it's only a partial ban.....and, as was mentioned by another, it's a political issue, not a health issue.

American beef is most definitely safe for animal consumption.

So the 27 EU countries who still have a ban on American beef and Japan who are considering lifting their ban on American beef are what?

South Korea by the way lifted their ban a while ago.

alkemical
06-25-2009, 02:12 PM
Be honest. When is the last time you even stepped foot on a Farm?

Just as a side note. They have found the gene in sheep that causes resistance to Scrappies. With in a few short years all sheep will be scrappies resistant. We-On our farm-Have only bought rams that are resistant. For several years. All the Ewes will be resistant with in a gen or two.

Uhm, last week. My friend is a farmer in lancaster. Want to try again?

cutthemdown
06-25-2009, 02:16 PM
I thought EU lifted that band. They lost that in the WTO court so are they paying American farmers yet? It reeks of protectionism not health.

Also IMO the EU has to be considered one entity now on stuff like this.

Good point though I didn't realize they still had the ban on. I guess the only like Mad Cow in there beef.

Beantown Bronco
06-25-2009, 02:17 PM
So the 27 EU countries who still have a ban on American beef and Japan who are considering lifting their ban on American beef are what?

Research time. The EU ban has been lifted.

http://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/1242248522.38/


South Korea by the way lifted their ban a while ago.

Ummmmm, only part of it, like I said above (bone in meat is still banned. boneless is allowed). You shouldn't try to incorrectly discredit your own argument.

alkemical
06-25-2009, 02:18 PM
http://www.madcowblog.com/2008/05/articles/mad-cow-updates/creekstone-fights-for-right-to-test-for-bse/

Creekstone Farms Premium Beef is finding out how difficult life can be when your opponent in court is the U.S. government. One thing is certain, the government is not worried about running up legal bills.

Here's what we are talking about. Your government wants to stop Creekstone from using its own money to test each and every one of its Black Angus beef cattle for bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) or mad cow disease.

alkemical
06-25-2009, 02:19 PM
Research time. The EU ban has been lifted.

http://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/1242248522.38/




Ummmmm, only part of it, like I said above (bone in meat is still banned. boneless is allowed). You shouldn't try to incorrectly discredit your own argument.

Because of this:

No More "Downer" Cows To Slaughter, Says Ag Secretary
Posted on May 20, 2008 by Mad Cow


United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) Secretary Ed Schafer just issued a long statement that includes this: "...today I am announcing that USDA will begin working on a proposed rule to prohibit the slaughter of all disabled non-ambulatory cattle, also know as "downer cattle." In other words, I am calling for the end of the exceptions in the so called "downer rule."

McDman
06-25-2009, 02:36 PM
The FDA is putting drugs into our meat to brain wash us!

cutthemdown
06-25-2009, 02:40 PM
I didn't know much about this big EU american beef dispute but I have been reading up. The EU will never be able to really prove it's dangerous to the point of getting America to lift the tariffs it imposed. So I guess that is why French cheese is so expensive lol. Who knew?

Still though this doesn't prove that American beef is dangerous or not acceptable in most of the world.

The EU is not the world but a group of countries protecting there own interests. I personally have no problem with trade wars you just get them back in some other area.

Because we are so rich we can pretty much win any trade war IMO. There will always be something you want to sell in the good ole USA we can tariff.

IMO Obama will be all over stuff like this even more then a republican would.

So if American beef causes cancer, and since late 90's no american beef in the EU, how much are there cancer rates different from ours?

I read that EU cancer rates haven't been dropping and in some cases higher then USA. Let's face it the ban is political and not for health.

cutthemdown
06-25-2009, 02:49 PM
Because of this:

No More "Downer" Cows To Slaughter, Says Ag Secretary
Posted on May 20, 2008 by Mad Cow


United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) Secretary Ed Schafer just issued a long statement that includes this: "...today I am announcing that USDA will begin working on a proposed rule to prohibit the slaughter of all disabled non-ambulatory cattle, also know as "downer cattle." In other words, I am calling for the end of the exceptions in the so called "downer rule."

exactly any Cow that tries to die before we slaughter it will be deemed not courageous enough for our tummies.

cutthemdown
06-25-2009, 02:50 PM
I know Australia and Mexico do a lot of cattle raising. How do those countries feel about hormones?

Garcia Bronco
06-25-2009, 03:11 PM
Okay, that's actually pretty good.

The evidence is everywhere. We need Government to be the arbitrator that we appeal to when there is a **** up. Who do you appeal to when you have problem with a Government agency? Another Government agency? The courts who are also a part of the Government? Conflict of interest all the way around.

rugbythug
06-25-2009, 03:15 PM
The French will eat our horses but not our cows.

The UK is where the Whole Mad-Cow disease started. (in Cows it has been around for years in sheep)

gyldenlove
06-25-2009, 08:46 PM
Research time. The EU ban has been lifted.

http://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/1242248522.38/



You will notice in that article that deal allows for a very small amount of meat to exported, and only meat not containing hormones. The ban on hormone meat is still very much in effect.

As a side note, the EU imports most of its foreign beef from Argentina and Brazil.

alkemical
06-26-2009, 06:42 AM
exactly any Cow that tries to die before we slaughter it will be deemed not courageous enough for our tummies.

And that was how recent? It's happend for how long?

That's the point mang....

epicSocialism4tw
06-26-2009, 08:11 AM
That's fine. I only buy free range food. I don't like the fact diseased animals are killed and put into commercial feed. It's why mad-cow is a bigger threat than we are told.

Mad Cow Disease is very scary. It is devastating to its victims. Free range food is better in many ways.

alkemical
06-26-2009, 08:12 AM
Mad Cow Disease is very scary. It is devastating to its victims. Free range food is better in many ways.

Not to mention the taste! Oh man, nothing is better.

ghwk
06-26-2009, 12:30 PM
Someone asked Obama if he would promise to use only the services that his health plan provided if his wife or kids ever got sick.

Obama would not bite but did say I will always look for the best care for my family. In other words hell know he wouldn't want govt deciding what procedures his family gets.

You all are missing the point here, people don't want gov. to run health care they want a gov. sponsored option. It's not like private health care is a shining example of balance either. Gee threaten regulation and all of a sudden the health care lobby can come up with hundreds of millions in cuts and savings. Lawsuits keep coming in regarding illegal charges to the consumer based on faulty data provided to the insurers when the data is in fact maintained by an insurer. The health care system stinks, there is no one good answer but the government intervention at least makes these crooks stand up and take notice.

As for Obama saying he would pursue the best health care for his family, what is the matter with that. On the one hand you criticize him for offering a govt. option to people who want it then you criticize him for being a capitalist, what's up with that?

Spider
06-26-2009, 02:20 PM
Incorrect:

On a factory beef or dairy farm, the main staples of a cow’s diet are corn and soy, which cows don’t digest well. In fact, because their digestive systems are not designed for grain, cattle can develop severe health problems, including liver abscesses and sudden death syndrome.ix For filler, factory farms will also add animal by-products to industrial cattle feed, and these additions can transmit diseases like mad cow to both animals and humans.


also:


According to guidelines set forth in the National Research Council's 1974 publication, The Nutrient Requirements of Dogs, all mammals (other than humans) are legally allowable "meat" for rendering so long as they are not decayed. States can pass more restrictive standards, but only a few states don't allow rendering of "4-D" sources: dying, dead, disabled, or diseased tissues.



But i'm sure the beef council will say differently.

Actually Bro this is pretty outdated , Dairy farms now use alot of Brewers grain , left over hops , barley ......... they found this helps cows produce more pounds of milk per milking and increasing alot of Heifers from 2 milkings a day to 3 milkings per day

Rock Chalk
06-26-2009, 02:42 PM
Did you know that Sarah Palin can see them from her back porch?

You watch too much SNL.

Palin said that you can see Russia from Alaska, which is true. The far islands of Alaska you can see the tip of Russia.

kupesdad
06-26-2009, 05:56 PM
You watch too much SNL.

Palin said that you can see Russia from Alaska, which is true. The far islands of Alaska you can see the tip of Russia.

Good point...I've stopped correcting people...actually it's 2 islands, Big Diomede and Little Diomede. One is owned by Russia and the other is part of the United States I believe that they are a few miles apart. Some of the Palin stuff is funny because it is based in truth the other stuff is redundant.

footstepsfrom#27
06-26-2009, 08:47 PM
I used to be a stead & potato guy...now I rarely eat beef at all...maybe once a month if that. We lead the world in cancers, obesity and all kinds of nasty maladies because of our unhealthy lifestyles and diet. We shop at Whole Foods Market to avoid the hormones, chemical preservatives and all this other crap in the food chain. If I ddn't despise gardening I'd grow my own stuff.

Spider
06-26-2009, 08:57 PM
I used to be a stead & potato guy...now I rarely eat beef at all...maybe once a month if that. We lead the world in cancers, obesity and all kinds of nasty maladies because of our unhealthy lifestyles and diet. We shop at Whole Foods Market to avoid the hormones, chemical preservatives and all this other crap in the food chain. If I ddn't despise gardening I'd grow my own stuff.

And the lack of exercise , I saw a truck driver walk from the front of his truck to the back of the trailer and he was out of breath , 10 minutes later he was in the restaurant stuffing his face at the buffet .........I see it alot , guys park close to the building cause they dont want to walk far .....

Dukes
06-26-2009, 10:32 PM
And the lack of exercise , I saw a truck driver walk from the front of his truck to the back of the trailer and he was out of breath , 10 minutes later he was in the restaurant stuffing his face at the buffet .........I see it alot , guys park close to the building cause they dont want to walk far .....

Every fat soccer mom in America

Dudeskey
06-26-2009, 11:26 PM
And the lack of exercise , I saw a truck driver walk from the front of his truck to the back of the trailer and he was out of breath , 10 minutes later he was in the restaurant stuffing his face at the buffet .........I see it alot , guys park close to the building cause they dont want to walk far .....

That always meant a parking spot for me in the back- nice & quiet. Only downside was walking all the way to the building if you had to go #2 real bad...™

Spider
06-27-2009, 12:02 AM
That always meant a parking spot for me in the back- nice & quiet. Only downside was walking all the way to the building if you had to go #2 real bad...™

LOL I have done the walk .......

Spider
06-27-2009, 12:07 AM
I used to hate vet day .....Branding the yearlings ,Fencing was no damn picnic , Ditch riding sucked , irragation etc ........
went to work on a Dairy farm , lasted one year ....... That job sucked ass worse ...
Now I miss the farm

alkemical
06-29-2009, 06:30 AM
Actually Bro this is pretty outdated , Dairy farms now use alot of Brewers grain , left over hops , barley ......... they found this helps cows produce more pounds of milk per milking and increasing alot of Heifers from 2 milkings a day to 3 milkings per day

I'm looking for a guy i heard talk about this, i forget his name - but he had lots of info. So i'm trying to find his data, to corrobrate it. but, as of now they do use different grain. So yeah, some of the info is wrong that i had before. But i know there are still things that haven't changed.

Like i said, i buy free range and from local butchers. I don't like the big agri-business model of farming for lots of things.

I think sustainability is very important.

SportinOne
06-29-2009, 11:37 AM
Someone asked Obama if he would promise to use only the services that his health plan provided if his wife or kids ever got sick.

Obama would not bite but did say I will always look for the best care for my family. In other words hell know he wouldn't want govt deciding what procedures his family gets.

mediocre health care = better than no health care. I think that is the point you are all missing.

SportinOne
06-29-2009, 11:52 AM
Every fat soccer mom in America

And everybody at every big store in the nation... There is nothing more annoying than having to wait for a car that is waiting for another car to pull out so that he or she can get that spot when there are 2 spots open just 15 feet further down the aisle. I got so fed up with that that I just started parking at the back of the lot. It's much quicker, that's for sure. It takes 30 seconds more to walk that distance in the very largest of shopping centers.

As for beef and hormones and antibiotics... I love beef, have for my entire life.. I'm slowly trying to minimize my use of it but being poor doesn't often afford me that luxury. I cringe at the thought of all the bad food I ate growing up.. Time will tell i guess....

cutthemdown
06-29-2009, 12:27 PM
mediocre health care = better than no health care. I think that is the point you are all missing.

I just don't to see people who had good health care end up with mediocre, so that the people with none can also have mediocre.

Also I want doctors deciding what procedures I need, not a pencil pusher with a calculator from the govt. That is all.

Raidersbane
06-29-2009, 12:52 PM
Substitute pencil pusher with a calculator from the govt. with "insurance underwriter" and and you have exactly the same thing, only the insurance guy is trying to maintain a profit margine......

Kaylore
06-29-2009, 03:12 PM
I think Don Henley jumped the shark after he left the Eagles.

:spit: