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Dukes
06-23-2009, 05:48 AM
Thought I would start a Cop friendly thread, I'm sure that will disappoint some of you. If you don't know Sheriff Joe Arpaio he's the guy in Arizona who makes inmates wear pink (One t-shirt inmates wear on his website says "clean and sober":giggle: ). I got this in an email from a friend who's a State Trooper. I think I'm going to donate to his next election campaign. ;D


http://www.sheriffjoe.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=77&Itemid=9
SHERIFF JOE IS AT IT AGAIN!

Oh, there's MUCH more to know about Sheriff Joe!

Maricopa County was spending approx. $18 million dollars a year on stray animals, like cats and dogs. Sheriff Joe offered to take the department over, and the County Supervisors said okay.

The animal shelters are now all staffed and operated by prisoners. They feed and care for the strays.... Every animal in his care is taken out and walked twice daily. He now has prisoners who are experts in animal nutrition and behavior. They give great classes for anyone who'd like to adopt an animal. He has literally taken stray dogs off the street, given them to the care of prisoners, and had them place in dog shows.

The best part? His budget for the entire department is now under $3 million. Teresa and I adopted a Weimaraner from a Maricopa County shelter two years ago. He was neutered, and current on all shots, in great health, and even had a microchip inserted the day we got him. Cost us $78.

The prisoners get the benefit of about $0.28 an hour for working, but most would work for free, just to be out of their cells for the day. Most of his budget is for utilities, building maintenance, etc. He pays the prisoners out of the fees collected for adopted animals.

I have long wondered when the rest of the country would take a look at the way he runs the jail system, and copy some of his ideas. He has a huge farm, donated to the county years ago, where inmates can work, and they grow most of their own fresh vegetables and food, doing all the work and harvesting by hand.

He has a pretty good sized hog farm, which provides meat, and fertilizer. It fertilizes the Christmas tree nursery, where prisoners work, and you can buy a living Christmas tree for $6 - $8 for the Holidays, and plant it later... We have six trees in our yard from the Prison.

Yup, he was reelected last year with 83% of the vote.
Now he's in trouble with the ACLU again. He painted all his buses and vehicles with a mural, that has a special hotline phone number painted on it, where you can call and report suspected illegal aliens. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement wasn't doing enough in his eyes, so he had 40 deputies trained specifically for enforcing immigration laws, started up his hotline, and bought 4 new buses just for hauling folks back to the border He's kind of a 'Git-R Dun' kind of Sheriff.



TO THOSE OF YOU NOT FAMILIAR WITH JOE ARPAIO

HE IS THE MARICOPA ARIZONA COUNTY SHERIFF

AND HE KEEPS GETTING ELECTED OVER AND OVER
THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY:

Sheriff Joe Arpaio (In Arizona ) who created the "Tent City Jail:"
He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them.

He stopped smoking and porno magazines in the jails. Took away their weights and cut off all but G-rated movies.

He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on county and city projects.

Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued for discrimination.

He took away cable TV Until he found out there was a Federal court order that required cable TV for jails, so he hooked up the cable TV again -- but only allowed The Disney Channel and the Weather Channel.

When asked why the weather channel, he replied, "So they will know how hot it's going to be while they are working on my chain gangs.."

He cut off coffee since it has zero nutritional value.

When the inmates complained, he told them, "This isn't the Ritz Carlton. If you don't like it, don't come back."


More On The Arizona Sheriff:

With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116 degrees just set a new record) the Associated Press reports: about 2,000 inmates living in a barbed wire surrounded tent encampment at the Maricopa County Jail have been given permission to strip down to their government-issued pink boxer shorts.

On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers were either curled up on their bunk beds or chatted in the tents, which reached 138 degrees inside the week before.

Many were also swathed in wet, pink towels as sweat collected on their chests and dripped down to their pink socks.

"It feels like we are in a furnace," said James Zanzot, an inmate who has lived in The Tents for 1 year. "It's inhumane."

Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent city and long ago started making his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic. He said Wednesday that he told all of the inmates, "It's 120 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents, too, and they have to wear full battle gear. But they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your mouths!"

Way To Go, Sheriff!

Maybe if all prisons were like this one there would be a lot less crime and/or repeat offenders. Criminals should be punished for their crimes - not live in luxury until it's time for their parole, only to go out and commit another crime so they can get back in to live on taxpayers money and enjoy things taxpayers can't afford to have for themselves.

worm
06-23-2009, 06:09 AM
I hear awesome things about the 'inside-out' program.


...a genuine, progressive advance in corrections and rehabilitation.
Our inmates, properly supervised, will be put to work outside these
walls performing all manner of public service.

These men can learn the value of an honest day's labor while providing
a valuable service to the community and at a bare minimum of expense
to Mr. and Mrs. John Q. Taxpayer!

http://www.edsel.com/pages/shawshank.jpg

gunns
06-23-2009, 06:10 AM
Bravo! I love this guy. I have never understood why those guys are allowed to sit there everyday. No wonder some can't make it on the outside and become institutionalized. Why is it a free ride?

When the inmates complained, he told them, "This isn't the Ritz Carlton. If you don't like it, don't come back."


This quote should be used in all jails/prisons.

Dukes
06-23-2009, 07:08 AM
He took away cable TV Until he found out there was a Federal court order that required cable TV for jails, so he hooked up the cable TV again -- but only allowed The Disney Channel and the Weather Channel.

When asked why the weather channel, he replied, "So they will know how hot it's going to be while they are working on my chain gangs.."

He said Wednesday that he told all of the inmates, "It's 120 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents, too, and they have to wear full battle gear. But they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your mouths!"

These are my favorite parts of the story. :rofl:

Dukes
06-23-2009, 07:09 AM
"Clean and Sober" Hilarious!
http://www.sheriffjoe.org/images/stories/PinkShirt.jpg

cutthemdown
06-23-2009, 07:59 AM
I don't have a problem with using prison labor as long as it doesn't cut into the work or profit of as pre-existing civilian business.

Dog Shelter a good one because no one makes money of dog shelters.

They did have some problems back in the day with chain gangs becoming corupt but I like this guys system. I doubt I would like it if I was in it though LOL.

vancejohnson82
06-23-2009, 08:03 AM
I don't know if I agree with the wearing pink thing, but again, these guys are criminals not schoolchildren

i think the idea of the inmates helping stray animals is maybe the greatest thing ive ever heard....it can give the inmates contact with outside life and the dogs/cats obviously profit

anybody see the thing on Real Sports about the guy who runs the jail in Texas and has a rodeo once a year????/

Beantown Bronco
06-23-2009, 08:19 AM
I hear awesome things about the 'inside-out' program.


...a genuine, progressive advance in corrections and rehabilitation.
Our inmates, properly supervised, will be put to work outside these
walls performing all manner of public service.

These men can learn the value of an honest day's labor while providing
a valuable service to the community and at a bare minimum of expense
to Mr. and Mrs. John Q. Taxpayer!


Greatest movie of all time. I refuse to hear any debate about the matter.

Hotrod
06-23-2009, 08:20 AM
I would vote this guy in as President

Hotrod
06-23-2009, 08:21 AM
I actually saw a tv program with this dude in it. They sent out invites to people who had warrants out for their arrest. Telling them they were invited to try out a new spa parlor for free. Then they ****ed with them and then arrested them.

cutthemdown
06-23-2009, 08:22 AM
I don't know if I agree with the wearing pink thing, but again, these guys are criminals not schoolchildren

i think the idea of the inmates helping stray animals is maybe the greatest thing ive ever heard....it can give the inmates contact with outside life and the dogs/cats obviously profit

anybody see the thing on Real Sports about the guy who runs the jail in Texas and has a rodeo once a year????/

Yeah saw that in the movie Urban Cowboy, on King of the Hill, and in the comedy Stir Crazy.

vancejohnson82
06-23-2009, 08:26 AM
Yeah saw that in the movie Urban Cowboy, on King of the Hill, and in the comedy Stir Crazy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uif3UjVk9fY

Dudeskey
06-23-2009, 08:34 AM
I would vote this guy in as President

I dunno about that, but I do like Arpaio. Instead of just filling a position as Sheriff, he's actually used some creativity...™

Hotrod
06-23-2009, 08:38 AM
I dunno about that, but I do like Arpaio. Instead of just filling a position as Sheriff, he's actually used some creativity...™

I like that he takes a leak on Political correctness. ****er gets **** done.

cutthemdown
06-23-2009, 08:40 AM
I dunno about that, but I do like Arpaio. Instead of just filling a position as Sheriff, he's actually used some creativity...™

Plus he fired Shaq as an honorary deputy and I loved that.

Kaylore
06-23-2009, 08:42 AM
My coworker's brother had to stay in their camp for drug abuse. She told me that he hated it. He had to wear pink underwear and only ate a ham sandwich every day.

Dudeskey
06-23-2009, 08:42 AM
Plus he fired Shaq as an honorary deputy and I loved that.

LOL No ****? I had no idea!

Dudeskey
06-23-2009, 08:45 AM
My coworker's brother had to stay in their camp for drug abuse. She told me that he hated it. He had to wear pink underwear and only ate a ham sandwich every day.

Those are those sandwiches where the meat tastes a bit like ham & a bit like balogna but you can't figure out if its ham or balogna ;D

vancejohnson82
06-23-2009, 08:46 AM
Those are those sandwiches where the meat tastes a bit like ham & a bit like balogna but you can't figure out if its ham or balogna ;D

man, I guess my life really needs to improve

I eat those sandwiches and I'm NOT in prison

Flex Gunmetal
06-23-2009, 09:13 AM
I think it's lame he took away their weights, but other than that good show!

OBF1
06-23-2009, 09:30 AM
Damn hippy. Thinking outside of the box is not acceptable.

BroncoBuff
06-23-2009, 10:30 AM
I hear awesome things about the 'inside-out' program.


...a genuine, progressive advance in corrections and rehabilitation.
Our inmates, properly supervised, will be put to work outside these
walls performing all manner of public service.

These men can learn the value of an honest day's labor while providing
a valuable service to the community and at a bare minimum of expense
to Mr. and Mrs. John Q. Taxpayer!

http://www.edsel.com/pages/shawshank.jpg

Veeery nice .... :notworthy

BroncoBuff
06-23-2009, 10:32 AM
And if they don't like it?



Give 'em another month to think about it ...

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/994/shawshankredemption3ap2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Archer81
06-23-2009, 10:52 AM
Making criminals pay back the society they wronged...what a novel idea...


:Broncos:

c_lazy_r
06-23-2009, 11:13 AM
I really, really like alot of the things he does but the dude is a straight-up media whore.

theAPAOps5
06-23-2009, 11:16 AM
And if they don't like it?



Give 'em another month to think about it ...

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/994/shawshankredemption3ap2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

It's a miracle! Man up and vanished like a fart in the wind!

Miss I.
06-23-2009, 11:17 AM
umm, could be worse, could be wearing this ensemble..and coincidentlly it is pink and whorish...

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mostly I just love this show, the one on porn is hysterical

philiptr2
06-23-2009, 11:23 AM
That is the prison where rapper DMX was locked-up (maybe still is?). Here is an interview that he did from inside of prison, and he was wearing the pink under his stripes.

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Classic!

2KBack
06-23-2009, 11:30 AM
I actually am not a fan of this guy. When was living in Arizona he was talked about a lot, and there were many discussions about Tent city. I don't mind some of the creativity, the animal shelter is nice, and I understand the idea of prison not being a free vacation. The problem is his zero sum outlook on crime and criminals. Tent City is for everyone, the guy who got caught with a joint in his pocket is getting the same borderline inhumane treatment as the guys in there for assault or manslaughter.

AZBroncomaniac
06-23-2009, 11:32 AM
I think it's lame he took away their weights, but other than that good show!

I would imagine that taking away weights is a psychological ploy to take away their sense of empowerment, which makes sense to me in a prison atmosphere. Weights are not needed to maintain or even improve overall fitness.

Archer81
06-23-2009, 11:38 AM
I actually am not a fan of this guy. When was living in Arizona he was talked about a lot, and there were many discussions about Tent city. I don't mind some of the creativity, the animal shelter is nice, and I understand the idea of prison not being a free vacation. The problem is his zero sum outlook on crime and criminals. Tent City is for everyone, the guy who got caught with a joint in his pocket is getting the same borderline inhumane treatment as the guys in there for assault or manslaughter.


They get shelter...they get food...they get clothing...they get the opportunity to be outside...so how exactly is this inhumane?


:Broncos:

AZBroncomaniac
06-23-2009, 11:39 AM
I really, really like alot of the things he does but the dude is a straight-up media whore.

More often than not, the man is in front of the media responding to questions, accusations, and criticisms. When he's not doing that, he's out to introduce a new programs. When a guy does so much, going against the normal way of thinking, today's media is going to be the one generating all the "whoreness".

Flex Gunmetal
06-23-2009, 11:42 AM
I would imagine that taking away weights is a psychological ploy to take away their sense of empowerment, which makes sense to me in a prison atmosphere. Weights are not needed to maintain or even improve overall fitness.

Maybe, but in no sense does it add to the rehabilitation process. There is nothing wrong with improving one's self physically.

bronclvr
06-23-2009, 11:54 AM
There is nothing wrong with improving one's self physically.


Until you have to defend yourself against them in a brawl-

AZBroncomaniac
06-23-2009, 11:54 AM
Maybe, but in no sense does it add to the rehabilitation process. There is nothing wrong with improving one's self physically.

If I were to guess, knowing what little I know about Joe, having no weights is not so much a part of the rehabilitation process, but a way to control prison atmosphere alone. I could somewhat see how somebody working out by themselves, without equipment, could add a little to personal rehabilitation. Also, it would seem that having weights would be just another "benefit" in prison. We all know Joe isn't in to benefits.

2KBack
06-23-2009, 11:55 AM
They get shelter...they get food...they get clothing...they get the opportunity to be outside...so how exactly is this inhumane?


:Broncos:

We all want a sheriff who is tough on crime—and we don't want our tax dollars to be spent on luxurious accommodations for inmates. Rest assured, the conditions in Maricopa County's jails aren't lavish, comfortable, or even tolerable. The temperatures inside Tent City often reach 120 degrees in the summer, and with only four guards for every thousand prisoners, Arpaio is cutting dangerous corners and endangering both inmates and detention officers. The sheriff brags that he spends more money feeding police dogs than he does inmates. The dogs, he argues, deserve better, since they haven't done anything illegal. What's important to remember is that Tent City doesn't just house hardened criminals—it also houses people who are awaiting trial; people who haven't been convicted or even accused of any crime. One young man spent four years in Arpaio's jails before being released—and acquitted on all charges. Arpaio boasts that he's saving money by keeping inmates in these conditions.

http://www.arpaio.com/blood-on-hands/2.php

There is a good population of people that are skeptical of the sheriff, I became one of them while I was out there. I know this site gives of a conspiracy theory vibe, but their facts are sound.

Flex Gunmetal
06-23-2009, 12:02 PM
If I were to guess, knowing what little I know about Joe, having no weights is not so much a part of the rehabilitation process, but a way to control prison atmosphere alone. I could somewhat see how somebody working out by themselves, without equipment, could add a little to personal rehabilitation. Also, it would seem that having weights would be just another "benefit" in prison. We all know Joe isn't in to benefits.

Well, they don't really need shoes, or clean water. Or showers. Or toothpaste. Or phone privileges. I mean it's not like they're humans.
I think living in tents in 100+ Arizona heat eating nothing outside of bologna sandwiches may be enough, but you can always take away more. I'm sure there's something he hasn't thought of.

2KBack
06-23-2009, 12:09 PM
Well, they don't really need shoes, or clean water. Or showers. Or toothpaste. Or phone privileges. I mean it's not like they're humans.
I think living in tents in 100+ Arizona heat eating nothing outside of bologna sandwiches may be enough, but you can always take away more. I'm sure there's something he hasn't thought of.

exactly, that's the problem... to joe they aren't humans. There are rampant stories of guard brutality, and there are little to now security measure in place to even keep the prison population from killing each other. The Tents are made from rebar stuck in the ground, and are regularly used to make weapons. Joe is fully aware of that too, but again dismisses the issue because they are "criminals."

Joe Arpaio is no better than the some of the worst criminals he incarcerates, he just happens to wear a badge.

broncocalijohn
06-23-2009, 12:13 PM
I don't know if I agree with the wearing pink thing, but again, these guys are criminals not schoolchildren

i think the idea of the inmates helping stray animals is maybe the greatest thing ive ever heard....it can give the inmates contact with outside life and the dogs/cats obviously profit

anybody see the thing on Real Sports about the guy who runs the jail in Texas and has a rodeo once a year????/

I think the pink thing was based on outsiders selling the orange ones. Who in the hell would buy or wear a pink one voluntarily (except blart)? Sheriff Joe is exactly how you treat criminals so they dont want to come back. He gets the most out of them with the cheapest way. If you dont like Bologna sandwiches, dont commit crimes in his jurisdiction. As for the ACLU, once again out of touch. He is trying to solve a problem that our Federal govt doesnt do. No more pansies for a job that is supposed to scare the living SH!t out of you, the prisoner.

ZONA
06-23-2009, 12:14 PM
Lets not forget about TENT CITY. Probably one of the better things he has done since holding this office down here for, well since I can remember. No reason we should provide AC for prisoners........hehehehe.

He does shake a few feathers the wrong way but by in large, he does alot of good things.

http://uvtblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/tentcity.jpg

2KBack
06-23-2009, 12:16 PM
I think the pink thing was based on outsiders selling the orange ones. Who in the hell would buy or wear a pink one voluntarily (except blart)? Sheriff Joe is exactly how you treat criminals so they dont want to come back. He gets the most out of them with the cheapest way. If you dont like Bologna sandwiches, dont commit crimes in his jurisdiction. As for the ACLU, once again out of touch. He is trying to solve a problem that our Federal govt doesnt do. No more pansies for a job that is supposed to scare the living **** out of you, the prisoner.

ASU did a study about repeat offenders being re jailed before and after Joe Arapio started his brutal campaign.

They found no change

broncocalijohn
06-23-2009, 12:16 PM
We all want a sheriff who is tough on crime—and we don't want our tax dollars to be spent on luxurious accommodations for inmates. Rest assured, the conditions in Maricopa County's jails aren't lavish, comfortable, or even tolerable. The temperatures inside Tent City often reach 120 degrees in the summer, and with only four guards for every thousand prisoners, Arpaio is cutting dangerous corners and endangering both inmates and detention officers. The sheriff brags that he spends more money feeding police dogs than he does inmates. The dogs, he argues, deserve better, since they haven't done anything illegal. What's important to remember is that Tent City doesn't just house hardened criminals—it also houses people who are awaiting trial; people who haven't been convicted or even accused of any crime. One young man spent four years in Arpaio's jails before being released—and acquitted on all charges. Arpaio boasts that he's saving money by keeping inmates in these conditions.

http://www.arpaio.com/blood-on-hands/2.php

There is a good population of people that are skeptical of the sheriff, I became one of them while I was out there. I know this site gives of a conspiracy theory vibe, but their facts are sound.

Yes, 17% do. 83% says to keep him. There are boards to keep Joe in line. The problem, as you see it, is because people dont care about these prisoners. Crying about child rapist over their prison rights isnt going to be heard by many people.

2KBack
06-23-2009, 12:20 PM
Here's a nice tidy list of news articles on Arpaio. How people continue to ignore these things kills me.

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/specialReports/view/1166737

Miss I.
06-23-2009, 12:20 PM
And in other news, did you know that Chastity Bono has decided to be come a man? I wonder what her guy name will be, perhaps Arpaio?

Look I don't think criminals should get the privileges they get in some of the prisons, not the white collar, not the blue.. It ticks me off when prison guys get degrees for free while i paid and continue to pay for mine. Do I think they should be treated like animals, no, but they should have to pay for their crimes, either by doing menial labor or if they have money paying to stay at the prison, whatever. But certain things they should not get, they should not be allowed to get married in prison (particularly death row inmates, wtf is that about?) nor conjugale (sp?) visits... Not sure about Arpaio, I lived in AZ and it sounds good on paper, but who knows what it really is about..power corrupts everyone, even those who started out with good intentions.

broncocalijohn
06-23-2009, 12:21 PM
Maybe, but in no sense does it add to the rehabilitation process. There is nothing wrong with improving one's self physically.

They take away the weights because the bigger they are, the more power they think they have and use it. Nothing like a guy who is in for a stabbing comes out and now can kill you with a physical fight. Why have prisoners bigger than the guards? Lifting weights can only do harm than good. Maybe a few would become fitness gurus ( lol ) , but overall, not a good idea. They can do push ups and pull ups.

bronco_diesel
06-23-2009, 12:28 PM
i think the idea of the inmates helping stray animals is maybe the greatest thing ive ever heard....it can give the inmates contact with outside life and the dogs/cats obviously profit



Canyon City has a dog training program. About 3 years ago I was taking a trip out of the country with my fianice (now wife). We both had dogs.

It was cheaper to enter them into this program than it was to pay for boarding for the time we were away.

I was very pleased with the treatment and training they recieved. It was obvious how much they were attended to. Each trainer kept a daily journal on the dog highlighting any breakthrough or struggle. I would do it again in a heartbeat.

It is also interesting that there are studies that support a drop in prison violence where they have pet programs.

AZBroncomaniac
06-23-2009, 12:30 PM
Well, they don't really need shoes, or clean water. Or showers. Or toothpaste. Or phone privileges. I mean it's not like they're humans.
I think living in tents in 100+ Arizona heat eating nothing outside of bologna sandwiches may be enough, but you can always take away more. I'm sure there's something he hasn't thought of.

That's real weak on your part. Arguments could be made for why they need everything you stated. Especially for hygiene, disease control, phone calls for family reasons, etc. These are criminals stuck in our modern judicial system. This system has flaws just like the next system, but Joe has done a good job of putting criminals in their place, and limiting or taking away the pampering B.S. Yes, it sucks that you may find one guy who may have never belonged there, but it's not like that situation has never happened outside of tent city.

Back to the point of weights. You might be a fan of lifting, but you've also got to be open minded about the lack of weights in tent city. Look at it from an atmosphere control point of view, and you'll see it makes total sense as a helping hand in trying to limit tensions in prison society.

2KBack
06-23-2009, 12:30 PM
Yes, 17% do. 83% says to keep him. There are boards to keep Joe in line. The problem, as you see it, is because people dont care about these prisoners. Crying about child rapist over their prison rights isnt going to be heard by many people.

If only it was only child rapists that were effected, you'd have a point. How about the families of these people that are murdered in Tent city? How about the people simply being held there before even getting a fair trial? People are wrongfully assuming that anyone there is some evil sub-human, but they aren't. We are a society up in arms about the use of torture in times of war, yet at the same time supporting it for our own citizens, many of whom have never even been convicted of a crime yet.

Flex Gunmetal
06-23-2009, 12:43 PM
That's real weak on your part. Arguments could be made for why they need everything you stated. Especially for hygiene, disease control, phone calls for family reasons, etc. These are criminals stuck in our modern judicial system. This system has flaws just like the next system, but Joe has done a good job of putting criminals in their place, and limiting or taking away the pampering B.S. Yes, it sucks that you may find one guy who may have never belonged there, but it's not like that situation has never happened outside of tent city.

Back to the point of weights. You might be a fan of lifting, but you've also got to be open minded about the lack of weights in tent city. Look at it from an atmosphere control point of view, and you'll see it makes total sense as a helping hand in trying to limit tensions in prison society.

The weights were just an example. I'm pointing out it's a slippery slope. I also feel that most nonviolent offenders have no place in the prison system, but that's another can of worms.
I dont think that drug offenders should be treated like dogs, which is essentially what joe is doing.

Dukes
06-23-2009, 12:49 PM
If only it was only child rapists that were effected, you'd have a point. How about the families of these people that are murdered in Tent city? How about the people simply being held there before even getting a fair trial? People are wrongfully assuming that anyone there is some evil sub-human, but they aren't. We are a society up in arms about the use of torture in times of war, yet at the same time supporting it for our own citizens, many of whom have never even been convicted of a crime yet.

Can you provide evidence those things are happening in Tent City and in no other prison in the nation? You can't. You're surprised that a prison is a violent and dangerous place to be?

Bronx33
06-23-2009, 12:54 PM
The guy is a role model i also think being in jail should be alot tougher that it is.

want2bAbronco2
06-23-2009, 01:00 PM
"When the inmates complained, he told them, "This isn't the Ritz Carlton. If you don't like it, don't come back."

I use something like that all the time when the inmates complain about not getting something they wanted at the exact moment they wanted it. It's amazing the things they get in jail/prison and what they want.

bronclvr
06-23-2009, 01:32 PM
Here's a nice tidy list of news articles on Arpaio. How people continue to ignore these things kills me.

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/specialReports/view/1166737

I read those, and it looks like "The News" and Arpaio have a love affair going on. Anytime you get Amnesty International and the ACLU involved, and it's going to be a love/hate relationship-those people would like a Country Club for Inmates. Being in the cash strapped Economy we are in right now, at least he's trying something different.

I think he's right on most things-it looks like Arizona has one of the lowest recidivism rates in the Country, so he's doing something right.

"A study by the Grant Sawyer Center for Justice Studies at the University of Nevada, Reno of recidivism rates across the United States showed that Arizona has the nation's lowest rate of recidivism, at only 24.5 percent, while states with higher rates were California (53.4 percent), Alaska (66 percent), and Utah (64 percent). One Nevada district attorney said the states with higher recidivism rates "may have pleasant prisons".

He may be a little heavy handed (and not popular with everyone), but he's getting some results-anytime you go against the grain somebody's going to be after you. Maybe there is a more neutral ground here, but I certainly lean Arpaio's way-

2KBack
06-23-2009, 01:47 PM
I read those, and it looks like "The News" and Arpaio have a love affair going on. Anytime you get Amnesty International and the ACLU involved, and it's going to be a love/hate relationship-those people would like a Country Club for Inmates. Being in the cash strapped Economy we are in right now, at least he's trying something different.

I think he's right on most things-it looks like Arizona has one of the lowest recidivism rates in the Country, so he's doing something right.

"A study by the Grant Sawyer Center for Justice Studies at the University of Nevada, Reno of recidivism rates across the United States showed that Arizona has the nation's lowest rate of recidivism, at only 24.5 percent, while states with higher rates were California (53.4 percent), Alaska (66 percent), and Utah (64 percent). One Nevada district attorney said the states with higher recidivism rates "may have pleasant prisons".

He may be a little heavy handed (and not popular with everyone), but he's getting some results-anytime you go against the grain somebody's going to be after you. Maybe there is a more neutral ground here, but I certainly lean Arpaio's way-

Like I said before, the recidivism rate was that low BEFORE Arpaio. I can't find the study, but it was actually a study requested by Arapio, who then condemned it after the results weren't what he wanted.

No one wants a country club for prisons, but we aren't barbarians either.

azbroncfan
06-23-2009, 01:50 PM
I don't know if I agree with the wearing pink thing, but again, these guys are criminals not schoolchildren

i think the idea of the inmates helping stray animals is maybe the greatest thing ive ever heard....it can give the inmates contact with outside life and the dogs/cats obviously profit

anybody see the thing on Real Sports about the guy who runs the jail in Texas and has a rodeo once a year????/

He makes them wear pink because they were stealing the old colored ones. Joe A has been around along time.

Beantown Bronco
06-23-2009, 02:07 PM
Like I said before, the recidivism rate was that low BEFORE Arpaio. I can't find the study, but it was actually a study requested by Arapio, who then condemned it after the results weren't what he wanted.

No one wants a country club for prisons, but we aren't barbarians either.

If your prison model can keep the same recidivism rates, but significantly lower the cost to the taxpayers AND make it tougher on the criminals, that's a victory IMO. Who cares if the rates don't go down? So long as they don't go up and those other two factors remain in play, he won't be getting too many complaints from his voters.

bronclvr
06-23-2009, 02:25 PM
If your prison model can keep the same recidivism rates, but significantly lower the cost to the taxpayers AND make it tougher on the criminals, that's a victory IMO. Who cares if the rates don't go down? So long as they don't go up and those other two factors remain in play, he won't be getting too many complaints from his voters.

:thumbsup:

2KBack,

I am not disagreeing with your comment-Arpaio did have a study done, and the results, as you say, were not dramatically different-apparently, the Sheriff before did a pretty good job too-

chawknz
06-23-2009, 08:23 PM
This fool should have been put in jail long ago.

Dukes
06-23-2009, 08:36 PM
This fool should have been put in jail long ago.

For? Not turning his prison into a vacation?