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Rohirrim
06-19-2009, 08:09 AM
Another court shoves its head firmly up its crevasse. We wonder why our courts have lost the respect of our people; It's idiotic findings like this.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/18/minnesota.music.download.fine/index.html

PaintballCLE
06-19-2009, 08:14 AM
here is the trick.............if you download illegal music, and you get busted.........go buy the Cd's........pay cash so they can't track when you bought them..............its totally legal to have the mp3s if you own the cd's

ohiobronco2
06-19-2009, 08:18 AM
What a joke, those jurors are idiots. Wonder if they've ever done that themselves.

Broncoman13
06-19-2009, 08:23 AM
So is file sharing illegal as well?

SleepingTiger
06-19-2009, 08:43 AM
here is the trick.............if you download illegal music, and you get busted.........go buy the Cd's........pay cash so they can't track when you bought them..............its totally legal to have the mp3s if you own the cd's

i know alot of people with over 50gb of mp3, thats alot of cds

Garcia Bronco
06-19-2009, 08:54 AM
Unreal. I'd snicker and tell them in open court they can collect from my cold dead hand.

Irish Stout
06-19-2009, 09:02 AM
$80,000 a song? Jebus save us!

UberBroncoMan
06-19-2009, 09:06 AM
They're just trying to set a stupid president. How an entire jury agreed to this is beyond me. Maybe it's completely made up of 70-80 year old people or people who've never been near a computer before? They should just fine her about 4x what the songs were... just say an even $100 and she's on her way.

Popcorn Sutton
06-19-2009, 09:08 AM
i know alot of people with over 50gb of mp3, thats alot of cds

If this lady was fined 1.9 million for 24 songs I can only imagine what the fines would be for 50 GB.

24 songs ~ 100 MB = 1.9 million fine

50 GB = ~ 15000 songs = ~ 1.1 billion fine :spit:

Smiling Assassin27
06-19-2009, 10:04 AM
I'm unclear on this whole deal. First, how do they nail you? If, for example, you go to a foreign site, download a song or album, and put it on your Ipod but do not share it, is this illegal? Is it traceable? Many of the foreign sites say they do pay royalties to Russian copyright firms but I haven't seen evidence of this.

It sounds like they nailed her for putting up songs to exchange with others after she downloaded them, is this correct?

Pseudofool
06-19-2009, 10:10 AM
This won't hold up.

dbfan4life
06-19-2009, 10:13 AM
That's just an excessive abuse of power. $1.9 million for 24 songs? Wow.

misturanderson
06-19-2009, 10:14 AM
If only she knew about peerguardian. The only way they catch you is if you download something from one of their traps or they download it from you. There are IP blockers that prevent you from ever connecting to known online file sharing traps.

Smiling Assassin27
06-19-2009, 10:15 AM
That's just an excessive abuse of power. $1.9 million for 24 songs? Wow.


well, it ain't nothing if not punitive. ROFL!

the article said that the jurors apparently didn't like her much.

SureShot
06-19-2009, 10:15 AM
Don't download songs just share with your friends and you will have all the music you need in no time.

cutthemdown
06-19-2009, 10:23 AM
here is the trick.............if you download illegal music, and you get busted.........go buy the Cd's........pay cash so they can't track when you bought them..............its totally legal to have the mp3s if you own the cd's

She's in trouble for making said MP3 available to 1000's of people. You don't understand the issue quite correctly.

No one is getting busted for making a few mp3 or even downloading a song.

Dudeskey
06-19-2009, 10:23 AM
The RIAA's out of control...™

cutthemdown
06-19-2009, 10:23 AM
It will probably get changed by the trial judge I heard.

Don't blame the judge blame the RIAA and the jury.

Slade
06-19-2009, 11:26 AM
Nexicon (nxco) - is actually the company that tracks down people who illegally pirate music. I am a proud owner of their stock...so I am very happy with this ruling!

Dukes
06-19-2009, 11:32 AM
Nexicon (nxco) - is actually the company that tracks down people who illegally pirate music. I am a proud owner of their stock...so I am very happy with this ruling!

You SOB! ;D

cutthemdown
06-19-2009, 11:34 AM
it's important that artists get to maintain copywrite on their work.

How would you people like it if you got your work used for free?

Beantown Bronco
06-19-2009, 11:35 AM
Nexicon (nxco) - is actually the company that tracks down people who illegally pirate music. I am a proud owner of their stock...so I am very happy with this ruling!

Don't be surprised when it comes out that most if not all the jurors also own this stock.

bowtown
06-19-2009, 11:36 AM
I felt bad for her until I read this:

Thomas-Rasset downloaded work by artists such as No Doubt, Linkin Park, Gloria Estefan and Sheryl Crow.

She should be fined 50 million dollars for her taste in music.

Traveler
06-19-2009, 11:36 AM
They're just trying to set a stupid president.

Um, no. They did that in 2000.!Booya!

Rohirrim
06-19-2009, 11:49 AM
it's important that artists get to maintain copywrite on their work.

How would you people like it if you got your work used for free?

I agree. And a $1000 fine would have been appropriate.

OBF1
06-19-2009, 11:54 AM
I agree. And a $1000 fine would have been appropriate.

Thank you Judge Dredd

How about do not do the crime if you can't do the time ???

You guys sound like a bunch of pussies that think Vietnam was a day in the park

bowtown
06-19-2009, 11:57 AM
Thank you Judge Dredd

How about do not do the crime if you can't do the time ???

You guys sound like a bunch of pussies that think Vietnam was a day in the park

How about idea that the time should match the crime? Cruel and unusual punishment and all that...

Her illegal downloads didn't bankrupt anyone or ruin anyone's life, why should the punishment be so devistating?

Rohirrim
06-19-2009, 11:57 AM
Thank you Judge Dredd

How about do not do the crime if you can't do the time ???

You guys sound like a bunch of pussies that think Vietnam was a day in the park

Walter! This has ****ing nothing to do with Vietnam! ****ing A, Walter! Man!

Rohirrim
06-19-2009, 11:59 AM
Donny: Are these the Nazis, Walter?
Walter Sobchak: No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of.

Smiling Assassin27
06-19-2009, 12:00 PM
seems like the judgment is more a message rather than a penalty commensurate with the offense. the plaintiff should know they ain't gonna see any of that dough, and the defendant said as much in her post trial comments.

Pseudofool
06-19-2009, 12:00 PM
it's important that artists get to maintain copywrite on their work.

How would you people like it if you got your work used for free?
It's free publicity for their concerts. It's not as if she was making money off of it, and I think the prosecution should be able to prove that the people she shared it with would have bought the music had they not been able to download it illegally. Most bands make much more bank off their shows than their albums. This is about the recording industry, not artistic integrity.

TD30
06-19-2009, 12:10 PM
Stallworth has it better, that's just stupid.

ant1999e
06-19-2009, 12:23 PM
it's important that artists get to maintain copywrite on their work.

How would you people like it if you got your work used for free?

It's only ok for artists to share their music, beats and songs. Maybe if they came up with some original **** people would want to buy their music. They still make their money off honest people like yourself.

Beantown Bronco
06-19-2009, 12:29 PM
Stallworth has it better, that's just stupid.

Let's not get carried away. Between the amount he's paying to the family of the victim + the money he's forfeiting from the $35 million contract he signed days before the incident, he's probably losing over $10 million.

Add to that the loss of license for the rest of his life, years of probation + house arrest + actual prison time. It's hardly the slap on the wrist some are making it out to be. Especially for a guy who had a real shot at being acquitted if it went to trial.

bowtown
06-19-2009, 12:32 PM
Let's not get carried away. Between the amount he's paying to the family of the victim + the money he's forfeiting from the $35 million contract he signed days before the incident, he's probably losing over $10 million.

Add to that the loss of license for the rest of his life, years of probation + house arrest + actual prison time. It's hardly the slap on the wrist some are making it out to be. Especially for a guy who had a real shot at being acquitted if it went to trial.

Plus he wasn't caught with any Linkin Park in his music collection.

Rulon Velvet Jones
06-19-2009, 12:33 PM
Easynews is your friend.

eddie mac
06-19-2009, 12:40 PM
$80,000 per song. That's the funniest thing I've read in ages.

ColoradoDarin
06-19-2009, 12:42 PM
Sheryl Crow? Should have got the death penalty!

eddie mac
06-19-2009, 12:42 PM
it's important that artists get to maintain copywrite on their work.

How would you people like it if you got your work used for free?

The artists aren't the ones complaining as they get on average about 5-10% of the take from a record. It's the big companies who are feeling the holes in their profits.

Slade
06-19-2009, 12:46 PM
Just a warning Nexicon (NXCO) also has huge contracts with all the movie studios so soon they will be busting people pirating movies.

Bronx33
06-19-2009, 12:52 PM
I agree. And a $1000 fine would have been appropriate.


They have a better chance of collecting a $1000 VS 1.9 MILLION :P

Slade
06-19-2009, 01:24 PM
They have a better chance of collecting a $1000 VS 1.9 MILLION :P

True, but seeing that someone just got fined that much makes me never want to do this!

cutthemdown
06-19-2009, 01:30 PM
The artists aren't the ones complaining as they get on average about 5-10% of the take from a record. It's the big companies who are feeling the holes in their profits.

Well then how aboutif you worked for sony records. You wouldn't want your job to go away because they made less of the making of recordings would you.

IMO 1 buck a song not a total rip-off. I do think they should make whole catalogs of bands available for way less. Like if you buy all the Foo Fighters stuff you get it for one lump sum that is maybe like 50 cents a song etc.

I agree this ruling was excessive. My argument is I understand people trying to protect how they make their money.

Having said that I have about 20 thousand MP3 but I made them myself. Tons of them by borrowing friends cds. So I am not high and mighty but guilty and no better really then the lady who got busted.

I'm just saying I understand them cracking down on it by punishing the people who share a crazy amount of them on the internet.

sisterhellfyre
06-19-2009, 04:00 PM
True, but seeing that someone just got fined that much makes me never want to do this!

That's the whole point of the exercise.

Slade
06-19-2009, 04:04 PM
And it works!!! Why do you think I own so much of the stock?

BABronco
06-19-2009, 05:05 PM
http://www.pbase.com/image/88346956/original.jpg

ant1999e
06-19-2009, 05:11 PM
http://www.pbase.com/image/88346956/original.jpg

I hope you're proud of yourself slade.:thumbsdow

bronco_boi_5280
06-19-2009, 10:21 PM
I would appreciate more Lebowski references.

YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR ELEMENT!

maher_tyler
06-19-2009, 10:34 PM
It's like drugs...your never going to stop it.