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ludo21
06-18-2009, 03:39 PM
Anyone else watching this?

US played tough against Italy, then flat our sucked today vs. Brazil.

Egypt was incredible today thus opening the door for the US to have a slim chance to advance with a win by 3 goals on Sunday.

What do people here think of the squad? Altidore is fast, nice to have a player like that finally. and Kjeston has a leg to shoot outside of the box which will be exciting when the World Cup gets here.

bronco_boi_5280
06-18-2009, 03:42 PM
/rehash of soccer fans vs. non-soccer fans in 3...2...1...

broncofan7
06-18-2009, 03:45 PM
Our coaching is GOD ****ing AWFUL and Beasley needs to be cut. Adu needs to get a chance and we are missing Brian Ching among others--we honestly look like a HS team out ther today--giving up a goal less than 6 minutes in--onyaehou--or however you spell it, is big stiff who is often times out of position or getting called for fouls......We are in BIG trouble and may not even qualify for the WC with this type of effort. We play Mexico in MEXICO in August I think--a place that we have never won in, and we had better look a whole lot better then than we do now----and we have no chance of beating Egypt at all, let alone by 3 goals........

gyldenlove
06-18-2009, 03:49 PM
Adu is the most overrated human being since Judas won the best disciple award in 28 AD.

s0phr0syne
06-18-2009, 04:13 PM
I hope Beasley has played himself off the squad these last 4 games. The goal he gave up today off our corner was horrendous.

I don't know what you're talking about in terms of Altidore--I really liked what he did against Costa Rica and Honduras, but in South Africa against the better competition he had horrible games. His first touches were so detrimental against Italy and then today against Brazil he was very ineffective. He looks too tentative...which is the whole point of giving him some game experience, but I haven't seen ANY improvement over the last 2 weeks.

Beasley's minutes were wasted, and I hope he doesn't get any more starts. Feilhaber should be in there all the time as he offers more hustle in the midfield and actually poses a threat on offense.

I've been impressed by Bornstein's play while Bocanegra has been out. However, Bornstein, Feilhaber, and Klechstan are all too reckless with some of their challenges...we were lucky to not have 2 red cards today against Brazil.

Spektor has been doing great in the back, and I'm not sure about one of the other poster's criticisms of Onyewu--he's had some bad plays but on the whole he's been great in clearing things out of the box. I've actually been pleasantly surprised by his play. Spektor is really great because he's got great hustle on D and he's actually been key in opening up what little offense we've had.

Casey has looked like a spark on offense against both Brazil and Honduras, but he must be doing something badly to not be getting more minutes.

Donovan has been money on the PKs and has been having good overall games, but for a "big name" he's not producing enough on offense.

Dempsey has been another mixed bag from what I've seen--he'll do somethings that leave you scratching your head and lose to many posessions, but then at other times he displays some amazing ball skills that make me think he's got the most talent on the field.

Our posessions have been mainly wasted with ****ty passing and no ability to beat the one-vs-one matchups.

Atwater His Ass
06-18-2009, 04:38 PM
Beasly played himself off the squad over a year ago. Bradley is the only one who doesn't realize it. I like how he says Adu can't get playing time on the national team until he starts to play regular club ball, but how much has Beasly been playing at Rangers? Oh that's right...(Altidore says hi as well, hypocirte much?)

US team is just not that good. The talent level is marginal and the coaching is terrible. The lineup's Bradley put's out are devoid of any thought. We have no identity other than "work rate". Well guess what? Work rate doesn't score goals or get results.

This team will be absolutley embarrased next summer. Again.

broncofan2438
06-18-2009, 04:46 PM
U.S. sucks......they always look aweful playing international teams.

ColoradoDarin
06-18-2009, 05:10 PM
Not only do we have to win by 3 goals, Brazil has to beat Italy by 4...

Kid A
06-18-2009, 05:17 PM
Not only do we have to win by 3 goals, Brazil has to beat Italy by 4...

Yeah, it's not happening. Best hope now is to salvage some respect/confidence against a good Egypt squad.

epicSocialism4tw
06-18-2009, 07:39 PM
Beasly played himself off the squad over a year ago. Bradley is the only one who doesn't realize it. I like how he says Adu can't get playing time on the national team until he starts to play regular club ball, but how much has Beasly been playing at Rangers? Oh that's right...(Altidore says hi as well, hypocirte much?)

US team is just not that good. The talent level is marginal and the coaching is terrible. The lineup's Bradley put's out are devoid of any thought. We have no identity other than "work rate". Well guess what? Work rate doesn't score goals or get results.

This team will be absolutley embarrased next summer. Again.

Its time for Bradley to hit the road.

His dependence on guys like Ching, Klesjian, and Beasley shows his inability to adapt and to evaluate talent. There are guys that deserve to get a shot, but have been virtually locked out by Bradley. Kenny Cooper, Feilhaber, Torres, and even Altidore have all been overlooked in favor of Bradley favorites.

Atwater His Ass
06-18-2009, 09:01 PM
Its time for Bradley to hit the road.

His dependence on guys like Ching, Klesjian, and Beasley shows his inability to adapt and to evaluate talent. There are guys that deserve to get a shot, but have been virtually locked out by Bradley. Kenny Cooper, Feilhaber, Torres, and even Altidore have all been overlooked in favor of Bradley favorites.

I agree with most of that. However, I think Altidore is getting much more of a shot then he deserves lately. I like the kid and think he has some seirous potential, but he's not ready for the international game at its highest level.

I would love to see more of Feilhaber and Torres. But Bradley has no consitency. He takes Torres out at halftime because of a bad turnover, but leaves guys like Dempsey in when they do the same thing. Everyone needs to start to be accountable for their on-field performance, period.

Cooper I think is a waste of time. He's just not that good, imo.

The guy that pisses me off the most right now (outside of Beasly) is Dempsey. The guy plays very well for Fulham, but can't contribute to the national at all on any level. It's guys like this that need to sit for awhile until they can prove they deserve to be in the starting 11.

I'd also like to see Boceneagra (sp i know) out to left back (our worst position by far), a position he knows and keep Oneywu and DeMerit in the middle. Let Bornstein, Spector, Pearce, and Hejduk fight it out for the right back spot.

Klesijan is a complete joke at this level of competition. How he got the start over a guy like Feilhaber, I have no idea.

Lastly, Bradely needs to go. He has no imagination and this team has no identity at all. To really take that next step forward, we need to go out and spend on bucks on a true national coach that has the experience and knowledge of the game at the international level and can relate that to our players.

It might as well start now, because this team will be more embarassed at next year's World Cup then they were the last go around. The Ghana game still haunts me.

s0phr0syne
06-18-2009, 09:05 PM
What's your assessment of Bradley jr.?

Broncos_OTM
06-18-2009, 09:34 PM
I dont watch US "football" i watched a really good match today Eygpt and Italy.

Im a headhutner fan:)

Atwater His Ass
06-19-2009, 06:47 AM
What's your assessment of Bradley jr.?

I like him. However, he still makes too many mistakes and I haven't forgiven him for his "I give up" goal against Costa Rica.

He's another guy that has some potential as a controlling midfielder, but just isn't ready yet for the prime time. For a defending midfielder, he makes too many mental mistakes on defense. His distribution out of the midfield is just average.

I do think he deserves his playing time (aka not a coaches son decision), but it's also a little difficult to take him out when you have retards like Klestjan, Mastoreni, and Clark getting red carded every game.

Ideally, I'd like to see Clark as the holding mid and someone like Torres, Feilhaber, or even Adu as the attacking mid. Clark imo, has a better skill set than Bradely, but needs better coaching to establish some game awarenes, which has always been his weak spot.

Overall, I think Bradley is a case of a guy that can play up at a higher level when his team mates are better than him (see his impressive season with Heerenveen) but doesn't possess the ability to raise his team mates level of play by himself.

FantomForce
06-19-2009, 07:24 AM
Our coaching is GOD ****ing AWFUL and Beasley needs to be cut. Adu needs to get a chance and we are missing Brian Ching among others--we honestly look like a HS team out ther today--giving up a goal less than 6 minutes in--onyaehou--or however you spell it, is big stiff who is often times out of position or getting called for fouls......We are in BIG trouble and may not even qualify for the WC with this type of effort. We play Mexico in MEXICO in August I think--a place that we have never won in, and we had better look a whole lot better then than we do now----and we have no chance of beating Egypt at all, let alone by 3 goals........

Well put

SleepingTiger
06-19-2009, 07:38 AM
I hope Beasley has played himself off the squad these last 4 games. The goal he gave up today off our corner was horrendous.

Beasley's minutes were wasted, and I hope he doesn't get any more starts. Feilhaber should be in there all the time as he offers more hustle in the midfield and actually poses a threat on offense.

I think Beasley is good, he is just not in form. He is not getting any minutes with Celtic. He should be given time.



I don't know what you're talking about in terms of Altidore--I really liked what he did against Costa Rica and Honduras, but in South Africa against the better competition he had horrible games. His first touches were so detrimental against Italy and then today against Brazil he was very ineffective. He looks too tentative...which is the whole point of giving him some game experience, but I haven't seen ANY improvement over the last 2 weeks.


Altidore is too gun shy. The game vs Italy he should of scored. Donovan had a perfect thru pass only to see Altidore trying to center it into 3 defenders. Like you said, his first touch is horrid. Either he doesn't see the field well or he is just bad at handeling the ball, I'm afraid its the later.


Donovan has been money on the PKs and has been having good overall games, but for a "big name" he's not producing enough on offense.

Donovan is by himself on the pitch. This squad would be clueless without him.

Dempsey has been another mixed bag from what I've seen--he'll do somethings that leave you scratching your head and lose to many posessions, but then at other times he displays some amazing ball skills that make me think he's got the most talent on the field.

Dempsey thinks he is Messi out there. He tends to dribble the into a crowd trying to draw defenders toward him. Only difference is Messi is able to make that pass to an open player. Dempsey just looses it and dives. He does however have good moments like you said.

Our posessions have been mainly wasted with ****ty passing and no ability to beat the one-vs-one matchups.

Landon and Dempsey does have the ability to win the one vs one matchups. Either they have no one to pass it too or the pass they do make is lost on the first touch.

Bradley is a horrible coach. i wonder what it will take to get a real coach like Guus Hiddink?

epicSocialism4tw
06-19-2009, 08:02 AM
I agree with most of that. However, I think Altidore is getting much more of a shot then he deserves lately. I like the kid and think he has some seirous potential, but he's not ready for the international game at its highest level.

Altidore is the best option up top. Though he may have his faults, he has skills that can cause problems for even the best defenders...he was a menace to Italy in the first match. They couldnt handle him.

I would love to see more of Feilhaber and Torres. But Bradley has no consitency. He takes Torres out at halftime because of a bad turnover, but leaves guys like Dempsey in when they do the same thing. Everyone needs to start to be accountable for their on-field performance, period.

Feilhaber and Torres are really the only midfielders on the squad who have vision and control over the entire pitch. Bradley can swing the ball across the field, Donovan can play the ball pretty well in short space when he's on, and Dempsey can do similar things...but the forementioned guys can gather the ball and play it intelligently into the space that puts the defense at a disadvantage. Feilhaber can also score...I'm not sure about Torres' scoring prowess but simply because we havent seen much of him.

Cooper I think is a waste of time. He's just not that good, imo.

Cooper is the only forward in the bunch with any sort of creative streak. Hes also really good at playing in combination with attacking midfielders, which seems to be exactly what the team needs. Ching is a holding forward who cant win and hold up the ball. Casey is way too slow for the intl. game.

The guy that pisses me off the most right now (outside of Beasly) is Dempsey. The guy plays very well for Fulham, but can't contribute to the national at all on any level. It's guys like this that need to sit for awhile until they can prove they deserve to be in the starting 11.

Youre right about that one. Dempsey is playing like he's burned out, and hes potentially the best player on the squad. They need to sit him and reintroduce him closer to the cup, and in the meantime give his minutes to Feilhaber and Torres.

I'd also like to see Boceneagra (sp i know) out to left back (our worst position by far), a position he knows and keep Oneywu and DeMerit in the middle. Let Bornstein, Spector, Pearce, and Hejduk fight it out for the right back spot.

That's not a bad idea. Demerit has the mental toughness needed in the middle. That would put the best 4 defenders on the pitch. When Cherundolo gets back he can reassume right back.

Klesijan is a complete joke at this level of competition. How he got the start over a guy like Feilhaber, I have no idea.

He played for Bradley at Chivas.

Lastly, Bradely needs to go. He has no imagination and this team has no identity at all. To really take that next step forward, we need to go out and spend on bucks on a true national coach that has the experience and knowledge of the game at the international level and can relate that to our players.

The US team used to get by on effort. The talent level has increased to the point that we can beat Mexico regularly and maintain control over the region in qualifying. However, the talent level is nowhere near what is needed to coast against the likes of Brazil and Italy. This team has lost its cajones. There is little motivation and effort, and I believe that to be Bradley's fault.

It might as well start now, because this team will be more embarassed at next year's World Cup then they were the last go around. The Ghana game still haunts me.

To be fair, the US got a raw deal in that tourney. They showed better against Italy than any other team in the tournament despite being at a huge disadvantage. Ghana won with a gimme penalty in a game that the US controlled. The result against Medved, Koller, and the Czechs was inexcuseable...a complete collapse.

DBruleU
06-19-2009, 09:06 AM
What's amazing to me really is that since WC 1998, when I believe the United States Soccer Federation made that goal of really competing for the WC in 2010/2014 or whatever because of that poor showing in '98, it seems we have made little to no progress developing talent.

I just don't get. As a huge soccer fan, who has been all over Europe playing and watching soccer, we seem to still be below much smaller and poorer nations when it comes to developing young players that can compete with everyone else. We have a population of over 300 million here now, and we still can't develop a program that is going to take young promising players and develop them their skills into something respectable? I can't remember who made the claim, I think it may have been Pele or another legend, but they said with the US and the population we have, theres no reason we shouldn't be able to field a highly competitive team capable of challenging for the WC.

Maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part, but in EU or SA kids from young ages live and breath the sport. I wish we would provide the kids here the chance to play every day like they do in other countries at academies where they also are given education. I believe we have something like that in FL, but it doesn't seem to make a difference. That and as long as our domestic league is crap, the MLS, then we will never become better. I can't even force myself to sit through a whole MLS match. It's painful to watch at times.

McDman
06-19-2009, 09:24 AM
Bradley sucks! WTF is Beas even on the team for, let alone starting?!?!?! Bradley definitely needs to get fired, he has run this team into the ground. Even Dempsey sucks now.

Spector, Altidore, Torres, Adu, Onyewu, Donovan, nad maybe Bradley all need to be on the field. Everyone else needs a reality check.

ludo21
06-19-2009, 11:46 AM
Im just hoping they come out with some heart against Egypt and shut the door on their chance of advancing.

DHallblows
06-19-2009, 04:10 PM
So reading through the thread I've come to this conclusion: Llama should just post his opinion over and over because it's always correct.

That is all, continue

Atwater His Ass
06-19-2009, 04:25 PM
What's amazing to me really is that since WC 1998, when I believe the United States Soccer Federation made that goal of really competing for the WC in 2010/2014 or whatever because of that poor showing in '98, it seems we have made little to no progress developing talent.

I just don't get. As a huge soccer fan, who has been all over Europe playing and watching soccer, we seem to still be below much smaller and poorer nations when it comes to developing young players that can compete with everyone else. We have a population of over 300 million here now, and we still can't develop a program that is going to take young promising players and develop them their skills into something respectable? I can't remember who made the claim, I think it may have been Pele or another legend, but they said with the US and the population we have, theres no reason we shouldn't be able to field a highly competitive team capable of challenging for the WC.

Maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part, but in EU or SA kids from young ages live and breath the sport. I wish we would provide the kids here the chance to play every day like they do in other countries at academies where they also are given education. I believe we have something like that in FL, but it doesn't seem to make a difference. That and as long as our domestic league is crap, the MLS, then we will never become better. I can't even force myself to sit through a whole MLS match. It's painful to watch at times.

You have to find some middle ground though. Soccer just won't ever be as popular here as it is everywhere else in the world. That's never going to change.

The sad truth is soccer in the US is generally getting the athletes that couldn't make it in football, basketball, or baseball, whereas countries like Brazil, Italy, and England are generally getting the top athletes that they can produce. I mean, imagine if we had a team with athlete like LeBron, Kobe, Brandon Marshall, Reggie Bush, etc etc. Top that off with the culture difference, and it's almost impossible for the US to compete with these teams in matches that really matter anywhere in the world.

A major problem that breeds from that is complacency within our youth development program all the way up to the national team. There just isn't enough fan interest to drive accountability. Hell we can't even draw more US fans for just about any game played on US soil.

MLS was a step in the right direction, but let's be real. It's a joke of a league on the world stage. All that needs to be said about MLS is that when Beckham realized he still had a chance to play in the next World Cup, he did everything he could to get out of the league and back to Europe because he knew that playing reguarly at MLS wouldn't help him achieve that goal. IMO if Beckham didn't think his England days were over, he never would have came over to MLS in the first place.

New leadership needs to be introduced at the highest levels for the US team. The current regime has proven they cannot get it done. Even with all the challenges that face the US in developing a quality team, we do in fact have the skill level to at least be competitive and not continually get embarrased by the Brazil's and Spain's of the world. The leadership just isn't there.

Atwater His Ass
06-19-2009, 04:44 PM
Altidore is the best option up top. Though he may have his faults, he has skills that can cause problems for even the best defenders...he was a menace to Italy in the first match. They couldnt handle him.

I agree he is the best and that's why he's getting minutes. The problem is that a 19 year old kid who doesn't play reguarly with his club team is our best striking option.

That said, I'll stand by my assessment that he's not ready for that role yet.

Feilhaber and Torres are really the only midfielders on the squad who have vision and control over the entire pitch. Bradley can swing the ball across the field, Donovan can play the ball pretty well in short space when he's on, and Dempsey can do similar things...but the forementioned guys can gather the ball and play it intelligently into the space that puts the defense at a disadvantage. Feilhaber can also score...I'm not sure about Torres' scoring prowess but simply because we havent seen much of him.

We are obviously on the same page here. We need to see more of Torres and I really think Feilhaber could be a great player in the proper environment and if he can get the chip off his shoulder.

Long term, I think Adu will take this role away from these guys. I still think Adu will turn into a special player. But he desperately needs a coach that develop him and Bradley isn't it.

Cooper is the only forward in the bunch with any sort of creative streak. Hes also really good at playing in combination with attacking midfielders, which seems to be exactly what the team needs. Ching is a holding forward who cant win and hold up the ball. Casey is way too slow for the intl. game.

I don't know what you see here. Cooper is perhaps the least creative forward we have. He's horrible on the ball and hasn't shown any touch that he can lay off passes for other players. His only redeeming quality is his size.

Youre right about that one. Dempsey is playing like he's burned out, and hes potentially the best player on the squad. They need to sit him and reintroduce him closer to the cup, and in the meantime give his minutes to Feilhaber and Torres.

Yea, Dempsey needs a break. However, he always seemes to look lost, tired, out of it on the national team. It's like he resents having to play with these guys and it's somehow hurting his stock at the club level.

I get the feeling Tim Howard feels this way lately as well. Although I realize both have just come out of extensive seasons in Europe. Bradley should definately be giving these guys a break, but I also think after the break, they need to prove they want to be on the team and work their way back on. Nothing should be taken for granted.

That's not a bad idea. Demerit has the mental toughness needed in the middle. That would put the best 4 defenders on the pitch. When Cherundolo gets back he can reassume right back.

Forgot out Steve. Although I'll stress again, positions need to be an open battle. Everyone must know that their spot is not garaenteed. Players in the best form that have the best charisma with the rest of the team should be the guys starting.



He played for Bradley at Chivas.

Just bolsters my case that Bradley doesn't know how to get the best players on the pitch. Klejstan has zero none nada business even being on the bench for the national team at this time.



The US team used to get by on effort. The talent level has increased to the point that we can beat Mexico regularly and maintain control over the region in qualifying. However, the talent level is nowhere near what is needed to coast against the likes of Brazil and Italy. This team has lost its cajones. There is little motivation and effort, and I believe that to be Bradley's fault.

I think the talent level is there. I don't think the coaching staff knows how to get it to work. I'm not saying we can beat the best in the world, but we should be able to be competitive with them.

Getting by on effort is the mantra of a decade ago. It was ok then because it's all we had. But now we've been promised improvement and we expect it. Fans want results, not moral victories. This team is really no better than it was 3 years ago and that's unacceptable.

To be fair, the US got a raw deal in that tourney. They showed better against Italy than any other team in the tournament despite being at a huge disadvantage. Ghana won with a gimme penalty in a game that the US controlled. The result against Medved, Koller, and the Czechs was inexcuseable...a complete collapse.

Point remains that the US, outside of a fluke against Portugal in SK, just doesn't/can't get it done.

DHallblows
06-19-2009, 04:59 PM
Yea, Dempsey needs a break. However, he always seemes to look lost, tired, out of it on the national team. It's like he resents having to play with these guys and it's somehow hurting his stock at the club level.

I get the feeling Tim Howard feels this way lately as well. Although I realize both have just come out of extensive seasons in Europe. Bradley should definately be giving these guys a break, but I also think after the break, they need to prove they want to be on the team and work their way back on. Nothing should be taken for granted.

Completely agree with you here. It's not that he can't perform with lesser talent, it's just annoying as **** to do ROFL!

Everyone who plays in England needs some rest. Bradley needs to get his head out of his ass and manage this team(/get fired preferably)

The only thing I disagree with is proving they need to be on the team. They're clearly the top of our team, they play in England and not in other random countries in Europe for a reason.

atomicbloke
06-19-2009, 05:22 PM
How come broncocalijohn hasn't yet hate-jacked this thread with this patented pseudo patriotic rants?

epicSocialism4tw
06-19-2009, 09:52 PM
...and now for some good news...

This is just the type of player that the US need to get a little attitude adjustment and a destroyers mentality in the midfield:

Jones' arrival will upgrade U.S. midfield

<HR width="100%" noShade SIZE=1>Brent Latham

The next time he runs into Mohamed Raouraoua, U.S. Soccer Federation president Sunil Gulati might want to invite the head of the Algerian Football Federation to lunch.

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The Algerians were responsible for getting the ball rolling on a measure that, once ratified, will allow more players to switch national allegiance. The measure, which was tabled at the annual FIFA Congress staged earlier this month in the Bahamas, would allow players of any age to switch national allegiance, provided they have never played an "A" international match for their full national team (meaning a match in a competitive international tournament such as the Gold Cup, World Cup, or World Cup qualifying, and excluding friendlies).


The Algerians, like many sides on the African continent, have their eyes on a number of second-generation nationals who have participated in the youth setups of European national teams. But one of the highest-profile players to declare his intention to switch allegiance in the wake of the ruling says he would like to don the stars and stripes of the United States.

Jermaine Jones is a fiery defensive destroyer who roams the midfield for German power FC Schalke 04, enforcing his will on would-be attackers. The son of a German mother and an African-American serviceman, Jones' flexibility and penchant for joining the attack has earned him a reputation as one of the best in Germany at his position, and he is considered one of the more menacing forces in the already steel-laden Bundesliga.

"I think he's a really well-rounded player," said U.S. national team defender Heath Pearce, who has played against Jones in Germany's top flight. "He helps out in the attack a lot, runs a lot, helps his team a lot and he's a fighter. He's also blessed with a lot of other talents, so he's a great player."

It is difficult to argue that Jones will not be an upgrade in the center of midfield for the Americans. While the U.S. seems deep at the holding midfielder position, a closer analysis reveals that perspective to be mostly relative to the dearth of options available elsewhere on the filed. With Michael Bradley's gradual evolution further up the field, no one has locked down the position for Bob Bradley's team.

Pablo Mastroeni (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/players/profile?id=19108) finally seems to have been put out to pasture, after two severely lacking performances against Costa Rica and Honduras. Maurice Edu (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/players/profile?id=95052) looked to be coming into his own with Rangers before a knee injury sidelined him for the summer. Jose Francisco Torres has played well in limited action, but doesn't seem to have won Bradley's confidence, and is still very young.

That leaves Ricardo Clark (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/players/profile?id=100933), who after being excluded from the original qualifying roster against Costa Rica and Honduras, managed to lock down the first team position for the Confederations Cup after a single good performance against Honduras (he was called up as an injury replacement for Edu). Clark then turned in a shaky outing, replete with giveaways and poor passes, against Italy in the opening game of the Confederations Cup, before being sent off -- albeit unfairly -- after just 33 minutes.

Jones' consistency, on the other hand, has earned him call-ups for a handful of friendlies for the German national team, but he currently finds himself squarely out of the plans of national team coach Joachim Low. Known for his irascible character on and off the field, Jones has expressed public displeasure at the snub, and the new FIFA ruling gave him the opportunity to do something about it.

"Now that I have a chance to play for America, I want to play for the States," Jones told The New York Times. "Now with the new rule from FIFA, they said I can play for the States. I am one-half American and one-half German and now I want to play for the U.S."

To give a bit of further perspective on the quality of player Bob Bradley will now have available for selection, a top German soccer publication rated Jones among the best midfielders in the Bundesliga this season.

"I played with Jermaine at Leverkusen, when we were both younger," Landon Donovan (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/players/profile?id=19107) said of their time with the German club. "He is a very good player. He played a lot of games for Schalke this year and was a very good player for them."

While Jones is highly rated on the field, he is also a controversial character in Germany. He has a reputation not only for tough play, but also for losing his temper. He earned nine yellow cards and two reds in 30 matches for Schalke this year. With the countdown to the World Cup in South Africa winding down quickly, there will be questions in the American camp about the effects of bringing a new player into the fold, especially one as controversial as Jones, on team chemistry.

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Thursday
Tshwane/Pretoria, South Africa
9:55 a.m. ET, ESPN2, ESPN360
U.S. vs. Egypt
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Rustenburg, South Africa
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But an irritable defensive enforcer who brings some energy and emotion to the game might be exactly what is needed at the heart of the American midfield. A reliable ball winner stationed above the central defenders would give Oguchi Onyewu and Carlos Bocanegra more freedom to roam out wide and help out on the flanks, which have been exposed as vulnerable of late. And a classy destroyer in midfield will set up the midfield trio of Michael Bradley, Donovan and Clint Dempsey (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/players/profile?id=39928) to foray forward with more liberty.

It's also possible that Jones, who will be playing with a chip on his shoulder after being snubbed by Germany, will bring a level of passion that lights a fire under his American teammates, even if his energy does sometimes get out of control. If playing for the United States gives Jones the outlet to expend that energy, and Bob Bradley can harness it correctly, the upside of his addition could be huge. At any rate, the Americans will be anxious to have a look at him.

"It would be good to have him in camp and see how he does," Donovan said. "Any player that plays at that level should get a chance with the national team."

Jones is likely to get that chance within a few months, as soon as FIFA sorts out the exact criteria for evaluating requests, and clears Jones' application for a change of national allegiance (initial reports suggest the process could be completed by October). In the meantime, American fans concerned about a defense that is suddenly looking less solid than usual can hope that help is coming, by way of Germany.

eddie mac
06-21-2009, 01:25 PM
What a day for USA soccer.

Qualified for the semi's after winning and overturning a 6 goal deficit.

My boy Johnny Spector (West Ham fan that I am) created the winning goal for a 3-0 win over Egypt whilst the Italians lost 3-0 to Brazil and USA qualified on goals scored.

Great job and bring on Spain.

ludo21
06-21-2009, 01:30 PM
i cant believe that happened!!

Bring on Spain!! Most likely a loss, but valuable experience for sure!

Orange_Beard
06-21-2009, 01:32 PM
Wow, what a game and Thank you Brazil.

Natedog24
06-21-2009, 01:33 PM
I haven't been so excited during and after a soccer match in a long time. I was up screaming when USA scored the 3rd goal. Simply unbelievable, a pretty good day for US Soccer fans....

Kid A
06-21-2009, 01:40 PM
Holy ****. I can't believe that just happened. Quite a collapse by the Italians, but we'll take it.

dreasher54
06-21-2009, 02:26 PM
Yes i have kept up with it. Why did they may have the best talent but the people that play over seas dont get to play. We need to bring back some people off the olympic team. Plus beasley needs to be cut.

DHallblows
06-21-2009, 02:42 PM
My boy Johnny Spector (West Ham fan that I am) created the winning goal for a 3-0 win over Egypt whilst the Italians lost 3-0 to Brazil and USA qualified on goals scored.

I was more impressed by my boy Clint Dempsey (Fulham fan that I am) scoring the winning goal! ;D

DBruleU
06-21-2009, 02:53 PM
I was more impressed by my boy Clint Dempsey (Fulham fan that I am) scoring the winning goal! ;D

Yup, he finally scores. He's usually crap, so I wouldn't be too excited.

DHallblows
06-21-2009, 02:58 PM
Yup, he finally scores. He's usually crap, so I wouldn't be too excited.

He's one of the top 2 players on the team. Don't believe everything you hear announcers say

DHallblows
06-21-2009, 03:10 PM
More importantly, I've never understood our goalie situation. I can name 3 goalies off the top of my head that should be starting over Guzan. Why is he (more less whoever we have at #3 right now) on the national team ???

epicSocialism4tw
06-21-2009, 03:30 PM
More importantly, I've never understood our goalie situation. I can name 3 goalies off the top of my head that should be starting over Guzan. Why is he (more less whoever we have at #3 right now) on the national team ???

Guzan has a big frame and has excellent quick-twitch reaction, which are two of the most important athletic traits in a keeper. He isnt as good as he should be with his positioning though, and isnt as quick off the line as he should be.

He also has alot of international experience having played for the US national team program from his youth.

He's playing behind The Great Friedel right now, so if he puts in the effort and learns some of what Friedel has, he'll be a very good keeper.

epicSocialism4tw
06-21-2009, 03:32 PM
Holy ****. I can't believe that just happened. Quite a collapse by the Italians, but we'll take it.

After the gift win they were given against the US, they deserve to get bounced with disgrace. I don't feel sorry for those guys at all. Guisepp Rossi can enjoy his flight home.

dreasher54
06-21-2009, 03:32 PM
My mind is totally blown. That is ****ing awesome that we made it. I couldn't watch USA vs. Edgypt somehow the only game showing was brazil vs italy. How did we win did we outplay them or get luckey?

epicSocialism4tw
06-21-2009, 03:34 PM
What a day for USA soccer.

Qualified for the semi's after winning and overturning a 6 goal deficit.

My boy Johnny Spector (West Ham fan that I am) created the winning goal for a 3-0 win over Egypt whilst the Italians lost 3-0 to Brazil and USA qualified on goals scored.

Great job and bring on Spain.

Spector is putting a grip on the right back position if he can hold an out-of-form Cherundolo off when he gets back from injury. Spector is really growing before our eyes. He has played with composure and relative success against some world class players in this tourney.

There isnt a more composed back with size and legitimate ball skills in the rest of the pool at that spot.

epicSocialism4tw
06-21-2009, 03:49 PM
My mind is totally blown. That is ****ing awesome that we made it. I couldn't watch USA vs. Edgypt somehow the only game showing was brazil vs italy. How did we win did we outplay them or get luckey?

It was a combination of the US destroying Egypt through the midfield (Donovan was very, very good in this game) and Egypt not being able to win a ball in the air in front of the US goal.

Here's a quick review of the players:

Donovan was the best player on the field today. He consistently broke down the Egyptians from the middle third into the penalty area. Had Altidore been a little more experienced, Landon would have had a couple more assists. He had one brilliant run where he beat 5 Egyptians into the box and was about an inch away from beating the keeper, who sprawled out to snag the ball. Dude was on, and it messed up the Egyptian midfield.

Davies was a mixed bag, but was an overall positive. He's a strong little guy who can actually hold the ball up better than any other forward we have, but his footwork and speed arent enough to make him a threat when he's faced up. He made some sharp plays combining with Donovan though, and the pure effort and finish that created the first US goal was probably the play that set the tone for the win. He has earned more of a look as a starter.

Gooch Onyewu dominated. The Egyptians couldnt adapt to his dominance in the air and he snuffed out just about every thing sent even close to him. He was also very good in support of the defensive mids...coming up to close down lanes, etc. Onyewu has been playing very well for a long time, and it seems as though he's starting to come into his prime. There are few strikers in the world who can cause him problems in the air.

Other players who performed well: Guzan, Demerit, Spector, Ricardo Clark, Bradley, and Altidore to a lesser degree.

Guy who played poorly but scored the goal that sent the US through: Dempsey (Edit: I redact this statement about Clint...solid performance)

Guy who worked hard and had a good game, but still isnt what the US needs at left back: Bornstein.

DHallblows
06-21-2009, 03:57 PM
Guzan has a big frame and has excellent quick-twitch reaction, which are two of the most important athletic traits in a keeper. He isnt as good as he should be with his positioning though, and isnt as quick off the line as he should be.

He also has alot of international experience having played for the US national team program from his youth.

He's playing behind The Great Friedel right now, so if he puts in the effort and learns some of what Friedel has, he'll be a very good keeper.

I see what you mean, but Friedel is clearly a better keeper. Aston Villa has him above Guzan for a reason. While I understand developing Guzan, I'd think they'd want the # 1, 2 and 3 goalies in America for the WC. Not #1, a project I'd personally put at #4, and some other guy.

Moral of the story I feel Friedel, Keller and Hahnemann all could be on the roster. As keeper #3 at the very least...

epicSocialism4tw
06-21-2009, 04:08 PM
I see what you mean, but Friedel is clearly a better keeper. Aston Villa has him above Guzan for a reason. While I understand developing Guzan, I'd think they'd want the # 1, 2 and 3 goalies in America for the WC. Not #1, a project I'd personally put at #4, and some other guy.

Moral of the story I feel Friedel, Keller and Hahnemann all could be on the roster. As keeper #3 at the very least...

Friedel and Keller have both retired from the US, but Hahnemann is available. He had an injury and basically slid out of the US national team pool. However, I would expect him to get another look moving forward to the WC. Howard, Guzan, and Hahnemann would be a very good trio of keepers.

DHallblows
06-21-2009, 05:15 PM
Friedel and Keller have both retired from the US, but Hahnemann is available. He had an injury and basically slid out of the US national team pool. However, I would expect him to get another look moving forward to the WC. Howard, Guzan, and Hahnemann would be a very good trio of keepers.

Hmm must have missed both of their announcements. That's a shame for both...

Dagmar
06-21-2009, 06:55 PM
I think Beasley is good, he is just not in form. He is not getting any minutes with Celtic. He should be given time.


:spit:

epicSocialism4tw
06-21-2009, 09:27 PM
Can Dempsey pick up his game against Spain?

I think that he can, and I think that the US will be riding some momentum into this match. Spain just set a record for consecutive wins...those records have to end at some time and they usually end when the team doesnt expect them to. That could be Wednesday.

Dempsey plays well against teams that he can find space against, and Spain should be one of those teams.

DBruleU
06-21-2009, 09:53 PM
He's one of the top 2 players on the team. Don't believe everything you hear announcers say

You're right, he's been fantastic this cup! Nope. The guy is always underperforming for the US. It's not the announcers...the dude just is overrated. He's good...but not as good as everyone makes him out to be. He seems to always want to beat everyone with his foot skills too often.

epicSocialism4tw
06-21-2009, 10:39 PM
You're right, he's been fantastic this cup! Nope. The guy is always underperforming for the US. It's not the announcers...the dude just is overrated. He's good...but not as good as everyone makes him out to be. He seems to always want to beat everyone with his foot skills too often.

Dempsey looks very tired. He's usually a passionate player who inspires his teammates, but that hasnt been so over this tourney.

He makes deft little touches in tight spaces that can split open a defense. We need that however Clint can deliver it.

DHallblows
06-21-2009, 10:54 PM
You're right, he's been fantastic this cup! Nope. The guy is always underperforming for the US. It's not the announcers...the dude just is overrated. He's good...but not as good as everyone makes him out to be. He seems to always want to beat everyone with his foot skills too often.

I agree he's been off the last 8 games or whatever, but I prefer to base my opinions off of a seasons worth of games, not a handful that happen randomly once a month. But yeah, he hasn't done much lately for the US for some reason.

But he did fine today. Significantly better than anyone thinks he did. He set up 2 scoring opportunities in the first like 25 minutes that weren't capitalized on. Landon's partial breakaway that he decided to pass to nobody (I believe it was Jozy he tried to get it to) and good ole Bradley shooting a savable ball rather than one into the corner of the net (Something Clint and Landon both would have done).

DHallblows
06-21-2009, 10:56 PM
Dempsey looks very tired. He's usually a passionate player who inspires his teammates, but that hasnt been so over this tourney.

He makes deft little touches in tight spaces that can split open a defense. We need that however Clint can deliver it.

Yeah I have no idea what's up with him, but he seems out of it with the MNT. He has passion and leadership in England and then is blah with his fellow countrymen. It's rather odd...

epicSocialism4tw
06-21-2009, 11:01 PM
I agree he's been off the last 8 games or whatever, but I prefer to base my opinions off of a seasons worth of games, not a handful that happen randomly once a month. But yeah, he hasn't done much lately for the US for some reason.

But he did fine today. Significantly better than anyone thinks he did. He set up 2 scoring opportunities in the first like 25 minutes that weren't capitalized on. Landon's partial breakaway that he decided to pass to nobody (I believe it was Jozy he tried to get it to) and good ole Bradley shooting a savable ball rather than one into the corner of the net (Something Clint and Landon both would have done).

Youre right. That ball that put Landon into space was first class. A thing of beauty. Dempsey really played well in the first half. I watched some of the game again, and I watched him specifically.

Aside from his normal run of play stuff, his goal was an absolute stunner. Probably the most important goal scored by a US player in a long time. That was a great ball in by Spector (who had been providing some good service from the wing and generally provided some excellent support from that side of the field) and Dempsey separated, laid out, and neck-whipped that sucker into the side netting with pinpoint accuracy. When Dempsey hits, he usually does it with style and that was not any different.

DHallblows
06-21-2009, 11:16 PM
Youre right. That ball that put Landon into space was first class. A thing of beauty. Dempsey really played well in the first half. I watched some of the game again, and I watched him specifically.

Aside from his normal run of play stuff, his goal was an absolute stunner. Probably the most important goal scored by a US player in a long time. That was a great ball in by Spector (who had been providing some good service from the wing and generally provided some excellent support from that side of the field) and Dempsey separated, laid out, and neck-whipped that sucker into the side netting with pinpoint accuracy. When Dempsey hits, he usually does it with style and that was not any different.

I personally think he's a bit more of a forward than a midfielder is the problem. At least a very offensively oriented mid. I know he's listed at a forward, but he seems to always be in a mid role. His defense is a tad lacking. But usually anything he does offensively with his feet is great. Moving him on the outside front of a 4-3-3 or in a 4-4-1-1 would both be good places for him. But I'm also some bum sitting at his computer ROFL!

And yeah, when he scores a goal he scores a goal. Had a great header like this one earlier in the year against Chelsea saving that game. There's this one obviously. And his goal against Liverpool on 07 keeping Fulham in the Premiership. He likes his goals important and BIG

BearMan18
06-21-2009, 11:19 PM
WTF is this phaggotry?

Popps
06-21-2009, 11:20 PM
The United States will play in the first semifinal match against European champion Spain on Wednesday in Bloemfontein. Five-time world champion Brazil will face host South Africa on Thursday in Johannesburg.

Anyone know what time the game will be aired? Where?

DHallblows
06-21-2009, 11:22 PM
The United States will play in the first semifinal match against European champion Spain on Wednesday in Bloemfontein. Five-time world champion Brazil will face host South Africa on Thursday in Johannesburg.

Anyone know what time the game will be aired? Where?

06/24/2009 2:30 PM ET

From the USMNT website. And I believe it's on ESPN. But I'm guessing on that part

BearMan18
06-21-2009, 11:25 PM
I had no idea we segregated homos on this message board.

Bookmarking this post so I can identify you.

God be with you all.

epicSocialism4tw
06-21-2009, 11:31 PM
The United States will play in the first semifinal match against European champion Spain on Wednesday in Bloemfontein. Five-time world champion Brazil will face host South Africa on Thursday in Johannesburg.

Anyone know what time the game will be aired? Where?

1:30 Central on Wed. should be on ESPN.

For you net watchers, it will probably be on ESPN360.com.

BearMan18
06-21-2009, 11:33 PM
What's up this fruits ass? Besides the rest of you...

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epicSocialism4tw
06-21-2009, 11:34 PM
I personally think he's a bit more of a forward than a midfielder is the problem. At least a very offensively oriented mid. I know he's listed at a forward, but he seems to always be in a mid role. His defense is a tad lacking. But usually anything he does offensively with his feet is great. Moving him on the outside front of a 4-3-3 or in a 4-4-1-1 would both be good places for him. But I'm also some bum sitting at his computer ROFL!

And yeah, when he scores a goal he scores a goal. Had a great header like this one earlier in the year against Chelsea saving that game. There's this one obviously. And his goal against Liverpool on 07 keeping Fulham in the Premiership. He likes his goals important and BIG

I think he's fine as a wing midfielder...as long as he can float.

He has improved very much in his defensive contributions. That improvement is actually what got him on the field as a regular in Fulham's rotation.

BearMan18
06-21-2009, 11:34 PM
PS. 100% sure I'm not this "Hotrod" guy

epicSocialism4tw
06-21-2009, 11:35 PM
What's up this fruits ass? Besides the rest of you...

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ghey. u r ghey, hotrod.

...not that theres anything wrong with that.

BearMan18
06-21-2009, 11:37 PM
ghey. u r ghey, hotrod.

FYI... every time you neg me, my rep goes up.

For you:

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them." Leviticus 20:13

But, someone as dirty as you, bashing poor Spider in his time of mourning surely knows nothing about the good book and our savior. You dirty, pagan mongrel.

epicSocialism4tw
06-21-2009, 11:45 PM
FYI... every time you neg me, my rep goes up.

For you:

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them." Leviticus 20:13

But, someone as dirty as you, bashing poor Spider in his time of mourning surely knows nothing about the good book and our savior. You dirty, pagan mongrel.

Ha!

Get outta here hotrod...i'll send some more negative rep your way. It makes your fake handles more fun. ;D

BearMan18
06-21-2009, 11:46 PM
Ha!

Get outta here hotrod...i'll send some more negative rep your way. It makes your fake handles more fun. ;D

Not Hotrod and you never cease to be sad. Please keep the negs coming... Higher rep increases my e-popularity.

epicSocialism4tw
06-21-2009, 11:47 PM
Not Hotrod and you never cease to be sad. Please keep the negs coming... Higher rep increases my e-popularity.

That's cool, hotrod. I'll keep sending 'em your way. :welcome:

BearMan18
06-21-2009, 11:51 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=81467

DHallblows
06-22-2009, 08:17 AM
He has improved very much in his defensive contributions. That improvement is actually what got him on the field as a regular in Fulham's rotation.

Oh definitely, I just mean in the intl game where both sides of the ball seem to slip a little for him

s0phr0syne
06-22-2009, 08:41 AM
your description of dempsey being a more fiery leader for Furham intrigues me...he looks sooooooooo flat in the few times I've seen him playing for the US

vancejohnson82
06-22-2009, 08:55 AM
so, score predictions?

I say 2-0 against the US...they showed that for small stretches they can play upper class "football" but theres no way they pull out a full 90 minutes against an elite team

epicSocialism4tw
06-22-2009, 09:14 AM
your description of dempsey being a more fiery leader for Furham intrigues me...he looks sooooooooo flat in the few times I've seen him playing for the US

I dont think that I would say that Dempsey is a "fiery leader" type...more of a passionate attitude guy. He's a gamer, and he plays like he is upset that the opposition would dare to think that he was a scrub. I really like that about Dempsey. Like many of us in the DFW metro area (Dempsey played in the same league that I did..albeit a few years my younger) he came through the classic league here, and hes not the typical white bread that comes through that league. He had some of the same experience I did where you play with kids and adults from Mexico or other latin countries who are very good (better than your white friends from school or wherever) and who you have to prove yourself to to get on the field. You are the guero out there and the guys dont want you on their team. Dempsey grew up excelling in that environment.

I root for Dempsey because he comes from the same league and environment that I did. He was obviously in another universe though!

DHallblows
06-22-2009, 06:10 PM
your description of dempsey being a more fiery leader for Furham intrigues me...he looks sooooooooo flat in the few times I've seen him playing for the US

Like already said he's not a fiery leader for Fulham. He fiery and has some leadership. But 2 separate things. But yes, he acts flat against intl competition for whatever reason. It's because of his great play in the Premiership that he is started repeatedly for the US despite not playing that well. Bradley knows what he's capable of

epicSocialism4tw
06-24-2009, 02:00 PM
Glory for Sam's Army!

A 2-0 blanking of previously unbeaten Spain to reach the confederations cup final!

Hard working underdogs upend the pompous Spanish who appear to be way to concerned about fashion to compete with a determined bunch of Americans! ;D

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

dreasher54
06-24-2009, 04:03 PM
we totally kicked ass. Finals.

ColoradoDarin
06-24-2009, 04:14 PM
Usa! Usa! Usa! Usa! Usa! Usa! Usa!

Kid A
06-24-2009, 04:27 PM
Internet here crapped out right after the game, so this is a little delayed, but...wow. So awesome. Iraq and South Africa had played Spain okay, so I figured there was a chance, but you couldn't really expect much until Altidore's goal.

First defeat since 06 (and 32-0-3 since). Unreal. I hope American's who aren't generally interested in soccer can at least appreciate the significance of why this is so cool.

Natedog24
06-24-2009, 04:51 PM
Fricken UNBELIEVABLE turn of events, WOW!!!

This is why I watch sports

s0phr0syne
06-25-2009, 08:45 AM
Wow! Just got done watching it on ESPN360. Can't believe it! I love the line-up we've been using recently. Having Bocanegra back was nice, if only to keep some of Bornstein's reckless challenges off the pitch for a while.

Bradley's red card was bogus. I agree that our US players have been crazy reckless with many of their slide tackles in the past few weeks, but Bradley's this game was fine. At worst, a yellow, and most of the time just a foul. No way that should have been a red.

Davies has been the difference on offense in my opinion. I'm happy Altidore scored, but he's been mediocre on the whole. I love the energy and synergy that Davies seems to bring to the lineup.

Donovan is still making piss poor decisions in the box...the goal that Dempsey got was almost not there, if not for Ramos's horrrrrrrible play on that ball. Donovan had the shot and should have taken it instead of trying (like he always seems to) to pass across to someone else. I'm not sure why he doesn't seem to trust his own shot at that distance.

The entire defense was amazing in their tenacity. Demerrit and Onyewu cleared out so many balls, and Howard obviously was spectacular in his numerous saves. I loved the hustle from Clark and Bocanegra. Really great effort.

Very pleased with how they've played the last two matches. They can't afford to lay another egg like they did against Brazil.

It's pretty obvious that this team cannot afford any red cards and play a man down. It's going to hurt not having Bradley out there for the final...he's been very very good for us in the midfield.