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SoDak Bronco
06-16-2009, 02:45 PM
Broncos To Brandon: “See You In Camp”
Posted by Mike Florio on June 16, 2009, 4:26 p.m.
We mentioned earlier today that we’ve heard that the Broncos do not plan to trade receiver Brandon Marshall.

Though it might be posturing in order to drive up the trade value, the team is now adopting this stance for the rest of the NFL world to see.

”We look forward to having Brandon at training camp,” coach Josh McDaniels said Tuesday, according to the Denver Post.

That statement contrasts sharply with agent Kennard McGuire’s contention that owner Pat Bowlen told Marshall last Friday that Marshall’s desire to be traded will be accommodated.

And that raises a separate point, in our view. Given that Bowlen publicly has acknowledged that he’s suffering from short-term memory lapses, it might make sense for him to refrain from conducting one-on-one meetings with players who might emerge from the discussion with a recollection that Bowlen might have trouble refuting.

SoDak Bronco
06-16-2009, 02:46 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_12601175

With the agent representing receiver Brandon Marshall (http://www.denverpost.com/topics?topic=Brandon%20Marshall&searchTerm=Brandon%20Marshall) coming out to speak on behalf of Broncos owner Pat Bowlen, the Broncos have responded with the message they can speak for themselves.
"We met after Pat's meeting with Brandon and are going to continue our dialogue with Brandon and his representative," said Broncos coach Josh McDaniels. "We look forward to having Brandon at training camp."
Marshall and his agent, Kennard McGuire, have taken the offensive. McGuire told Fox 31 News that "there was a request for a trade. Mr. Bowlen has said that ownership will do everything in its power to accommodate his wishes."
However, there is no indication the Broncos will seek to deal Marshall, who is unhappy with his contract that will pay him $2.198 million this season, the final year of his deal.
Marshall has demonstrated his dissatisfaction with his contract by skipping the three-week, voluntary passing camp, then a three-day mandatory minicamp last weekend.
If he doesn't show up by August 12, Marshall could risk forfeiting his fourth year of service time, which would put him another year away from unrestricted free agency. Mike Klis: 303-954-1055 or mklis@denverpost.com (mklis@denverpost.com).

Rulon Velvet Jones
06-16-2009, 02:49 PM
Good. Just once, I'd like to see a team call a player's bluff and string this bitch out as long as possible.

Beantown Bronco
06-16-2009, 02:50 PM
Given that Bowlen publicly has acknowledged that he’s suffering from short-term memory lapses, it might make sense for him to refrain from conducting one-on-one meetings with players who might emerge from the discussion with a recollection that Bowlen might have trouble refuting.

Gotta hand it to Florio here. That's some funny stuff.

Rabb
06-16-2009, 02:50 PM
Good. Just once, I'd like to see a team call a player's bluff and string this b**** out as long as possible.

absolutely

he has 0 leverage

Northman
06-16-2009, 02:50 PM
Owned

SoDak Bronco
06-16-2009, 02:51 PM
Please take a deep breath and calm down. We aren't going to trade BMARSH, why the hell would we? We aren't going to get equal value for him, may as well hold onto his rights and make him play, he isn't going to sit out and forfeit 2 million....He may be mad, but in the end Brandon wants to get paid, and to get paid he needs to play.

summerdenver
06-16-2009, 02:54 PM
Why do we keep having these conflicting statements?

Marshall's agent says, Broncos said that they will do everything in their power to accomodate his trade request and Josh McDaniels says we are not trading Brandon. May I remind that this is not the first time this happened this offseason?

Man-Goblin
06-16-2009, 02:55 PM
Good.

The Joker
06-16-2009, 02:57 PM
Note to Pat Bowlen.

If you're going to make a joke in the US press, subtlety has absolutely no place in your comment.

If you want to make people laugh, fall down for no reason or something.

Aftermath
06-16-2009, 03:17 PM
GOTO hell brandon your scum of the earth

worm
06-16-2009, 03:28 PM
Why do we keep having these conflicting statements?

Marshall's agent says, Broncos said that they will do everything in their power to accomodate his trade request and Josh McDaniels says we are not trading Brandon. May I remind that this is not the first time this happened this offseason?

Exactly. Is it really too much to ask for some consistency in message and in action from the three-headed hydra in the front office?

We have an owner that appears to be drunk and shooting from the hip.
An absentee GM.
A baby rookie head coach with a Pats logo tattooed on his ass.

As bad as the defensive product was on the field last year....the front office has topped it as an unmitigated disaster this off-season.

Rabb
06-16-2009, 03:32 PM
Exactly. Is it really too much to ask for some consistency in message and in action from the three-headed hydra in the front office?

We have an owner that appears to be drunk and shooting from the hip.
An absentee GM.
A baby rookie head coach with a Pats logo tattooed on his ass.

As bad as the defensive product was on the field last year....the front office has topped it as an unmitigated disaster this off-season.

again, we are basing what Marshall's agent said as truth

so far the only front office opinion I have heard officially is Josh telling Brandon "see you in camp"

broncofan2438
06-16-2009, 03:34 PM
See you in camp...nice try fool

Los Broncos
06-16-2009, 03:36 PM
Nice, owned.

Bronco Boy
06-16-2009, 03:37 PM
They'll probably revisit trading him when he beats up some more women.

TDmvp
06-16-2009, 03:40 PM
Good. Just once, I'd like to see a team call a player's bluff and string this b**** out as long as possible.

For the record A team already did this and called a players Bluff ...

The Bengals turning down trading Chad Johnson to the Redskins and keeping him.

And all it cost them TO PROVE A POINT was a 1st rounder and a 3rd that would turn to a 2 if he catch 80 passes or turned to a 2nd 1st rounder if he catch a 90 passes ...

and now they are stuck with him and lost T.J. the better of the 2 wrs they had.


So once again Rulon is just full of great ideas ... and for the record I at first loved the idea of calling Chad's bluff , But in the long run it's a stupid idea.

worm
06-16-2009, 03:40 PM
again, we are basing what Marshall's agent said as truth

so far the only front office opinion I have heard officially is Josh telling Brandon "see you in camp"

Where is our GM?!? Is he even in the office? Is he still cleaning the bathrooms?

If you can't see the issues with this front office structure and their communication...both from this issue and the rest of the mess this off season...then I really don't know what to tell you.

I know failing Fortune 50 organizations...and this corporation has all the classic earmarks at the top. Things like:

Unclearly defined roles and responsibilities
Poor communication
Lack of experience in leadership roles
Quick shifts in strategic direction
Lack of confidence by top performers

bronclvr
06-16-2009, 03:42 PM
If he doesn't show up by August 12, Marshall could risk forfeiting his fourth year of service time, which would put him another year away from unrestricted free agency.

Crap, I hope this doesn't go on until August-this Board will be in serious melt down by then-

Rabb
06-16-2009, 03:44 PM
Where is our GM?!? Is he even in the office? Is he still cleaning the bathrooms?

If you can't see the issues with this front office structure and their communication...both from this issue and the rest of the mess this off season...then I really don't know what to tell you.

I know failing Fortune 50 organizations...and this corporation has all the classic earmarks at the top. Things like:

Unclearly defined roles and responsibilities
Poor communication
Lack of experience in leadership roles
Quick shifts in strategic direction
Lack of confidence by top performers

the Cutler situation, absolutely

but what else?

this situation so far, I just don't see it but I might just be stupid

I just feel a lot of people still ass hurt over the Cutler thing are tryint to fit every square peg into the same round hole

summerdenver
06-16-2009, 03:51 PM
again, we are basing what Marshall's agent said as truth

so far the only front office opinion I have heard officially is Josh telling Brandon "see you in camp"

Ok why is our FO/coach or whoever the f#$% is handling PR for the team and the agents of our players are giving out diametrically opposite opinions of the events.

I mean McDaniels says meeting with Jay went very well and Bus Cook says it did not go well. Marshall's agent says they accepted the trade requests and McDainels says it is denied. Why such diametrically opposite views. It can't all be agents creating this is it? Afterall every team has some contract request like this on the table every off season (Cue Eagles -Sheldon Brown, Cards - Q etc) and we don't see similar drama.

Man-Goblin
06-16-2009, 04:00 PM
Josina Anderson just had a very cryptic interview on the fan in which she basically said that there is a lot behind the scenes going on with this situation that hasn't been made public. The only thing she really gave up was the fact that you really have to emphasize the word OWNERSHIP in the Kenard Mcguire statement, and that he is very meticulous in how he uses his words.

"there was a request for a trade. Mr. Bowlen has said that ownership will do everything in its power to accommodate his wishes."

I take it as meaning there is a tug of war going on between McDaniels and Bowlen on what to do with Marshall, but anyone's guess is as good as mine.

Rulon Velvet Jones
06-16-2009, 04:01 PM
For the record A team already did this and called a players Bluff ...

The Bengals turning down trading Chad Johnson to the Redskins and keeping him.

And all it cost them TO PROVE A POINT was a 1st rounder and a 3rd that would turn to a 2 if he catch 80 passes or turned to a 2nd 1st rounder if he catch a 90 passes ...

and now they are stuck with him and lost T.J. the better of the 2 wrs they had.


So once again Rulon is just full of great ideas ... and for the record I at first loved the idea of calling Chad's bluff , But in the long run it's a stupid idea.

BOURBONNAIS, Ill. – Wearing a Wisconsin Badgers t-shirt and a smile, All-Pro return specialist Devin Hester reported to Bears training camp Friday, ending a two-day holdout.

Hester had chosen not to report to camp by Wednesday’s midnight deadline because he was upset that he had not received a contract extension like many of his teammates.


Devin Hester has been selected to the Pro Bowl in each of his first two NFL seasons.
Hester has two years remaining on the four-year deal he signed in 2006 when he was selected by the Bears in the second round of the draft (57th overall). He told the Chicago Tribune that he would not report to camp until he received a new deal, but apparently had a change of heart.

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It happens. Guys threaten to hold out, they realize they're losing money and can't afford to do so and come back to the team. At least they do if they're interested in getting paid.

What's this "Rulon is just full of great ideas" bull****?

Hotrod
06-16-2009, 04:13 PM
Jay is our QB

sisterhellfyre
06-16-2009, 04:35 PM
I just feel a lot of people still ass hurt over the Cutler thing are tryint to fit every square peg into the same round hole

Ouch. Those square corners hurt.

DenverBrit
06-16-2009, 04:39 PM
Ok why is our FO/coach or whoever the f#$% is handling PR for the team and the agents of our players are giving out diametrically opposite opinions of the events.

I mean McDaniels says meeting with Jay went very well and Bus Cook says it did not go well. Marshall's agent says they accepted the trade requests and McDainels says it is denied. Why such diametrically opposite views. It can't all be agents creating this is it? Afterall every team has some contract request like this on the table every off season (Cue Eagles -Sheldon Brown, Cards - Q etc) and we don't see similar drama.

Yes it can. Both agents involved have a track record of holding out clients to trigger a trade or fat contract.

It's become a tactic they use in lieu of doing their job.

Whatever happened to sitting down and thrashing out a contract?

Or for that matter, just honoring the contract they signed instead of forcing a re-negotiation years before the contract has expired.

For those who claim that Shanahan would have had new contracts in place, I have two words: Clinton Portis.

worm
06-16-2009, 04:46 PM
Yes it can. Both agents involved have a track record of holding out clients to trigger a trade or fat contract.

It's become a tactic they use in lieu of doing their job.

Whatever happened to sitting down and thrashing out a contract?

Or for that matter, just honoring the contract they signed instead of forcing a re-negotiation years before the contract has expired.

For those who claim that Shanahan would have had new contracts in place, I have two words: Clinton Portis.

You REALLY believe that both agents are lying? That the communication coming from those meetings between player representatives and Bronco front office was clear and consistent....then the agents went away and totally lied about what they heard in the meetings?

Dude.

Hotrod
06-16-2009, 04:49 PM
Yes it can. Both agents involved have a track record of holding out clients to trigger a trade or fat contract.

It's become a tactic they use in lieu of doing their job.

Whatever happened to sitting down and thrashing out a contract?

Or for that matter, just honoring the contract they signed instead of forcing a re-negotiation years before the contract has expired.

For those who claim that Shanahan would have had new contracts in place, I have two words: Clinton Portis.

I see where your going but I would not believe for a second that Shanny would have "portis'd" his shiny young qb. Marshall maybe Cutler no.

Not to mention he obviously had a better system in place for dealing


Oh hell I'm tired I'm going to go have a beer and pretend none of this ever happened :)

gyldenlove
06-16-2009, 04:50 PM
http://jtaplin.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/godfather2.jpg

Bye bye Brandon, it was nice knowing you. McD just gave you the Fredo treatment.

gunns
06-16-2009, 05:01 PM
Bowlen needs to stay out of this. He talks too much.

If Brandon doesn't want to play, good, sit at home with your pockets empty. And be screwed next year. Then, maybe, the Broncos trade him to a SF, with no QB, to compete with Crabtree, to Buff to compete with TO and his ego, to TB where he's forgotten. Do not give this guy what he wants. After Bowlen has stuck by him through all of his "incidents" it's time for some repayment of loyalty, or suffer the consequences.

DenverBrit
06-16-2009, 05:03 PM
You REALLY believe that both agents are lying? That the communication coming from those meetings between player representatives and Bronco front office was clear and consistent....then the agents went away and totally lied about what they heard in the meetings?

Dude.

I don't recall talking about the agents lying, just that their tactics are consistent.

McDaniels was trying to get Cutler back on board but Cutler gave Bowlen the 'finger' by 'refusing to return his calls. McD was overridden by the owner who finally said 'enough!! trade him.'
Now bear in mind, that happened AFTER Cutler's agent told the Broncos that Cutler wanted to be traded and that's why he wasn't returning Bowlen's calls. (paraphrasing)

Marshall's situation is too 'new' for anyone to know what really happened. Maybe Bowlen was blind drunk and got all mushy with Marshall and made promises that McPoopyPants ignored.
Besides, a trade has to work for both parties and it's unlikely that Denver would get proper value for a player who can't pass a physical, has had 13 police incidents in 5 years, is facing possible suspension and is demanding a very large contract.

summerdenver
06-16-2009, 05:05 PM
Or for that matter, just honoring the contract they signed instead of forcing a re-negotiation years before the contract has expired.



This is not fair as the contract is not binding on both parties.

After the way in which Al Wilson (who IMHO gave more for the team than any other player during his tenure) was treated when he got hurt, I will never grudge a player for asking to renegotiate hes contract. Why if tomorrow Dawkins gets seriously hurt our coach and Broncos will ruthlessly cut him with a injury settlement even though they have contract with him. I am not trying to criticize broncos here this what every team in nfl would do. NFL is different from other businesses. Only the signing bonus and guaranteed money are binding.

Now, coming back to topic I am seeing people rationalize this as typical sky is falling talk from Cutlerites but I am not even trying to second guess the merits of that trade. There seems to be disparity in the statements issues by the FO/coach/PR and that of the agents and it is not typical. On top of that our GM has disappeared. It could be nothing but at this point its a legitamate question to ask.

summerdenver
06-16-2009, 05:09 PM
McDaniels was trying to get Cutler back on board but Cutler gave Bowlen the 'finger' by 'refusing to return his calls. McD was overridden by the owner who finally said 'enough!! trade him.'


I don't know what to believe here. McDaniels says Jay is my QB and that he is trying to contact him but the same day Fox31 publishes a report saying that Josh McDaniels has serious reservations about Jays ability to grasp his offense and that he is scared of Jays drinking. Neither McDaniels nor Broncos issue a denial. So I don't know if McDaniels seriously wanted Jay back or not. I will leave at that.

DenverBrit
06-16-2009, 05:09 PM
This is not fair as the contract is not binding on both parties.

After the way in which Al Wilson (who IMHO gave more for the team than any other player during his tenure) was treated when he got hurt, I will never grudge a player for asking to renegotiate hes contract. Why if tomorrow Dawkins gets seriously hurt our coach and Broncos will ruthlessly cut him with a injury settlement even though they have contract with him. I am not trying to criticize broncos here this what every team in nfl would do. NFL is different from other businesses. Only the signing bonus and guaranteed money are binding.

Now, coming back to topic I am seeing people rationalize this as typical sky is falling talk from Cutlerites but I am not even trying to second guess the merits of that trade. There seems to be disparity in the statements issues by the FO/coach/PR and that of the agents and it is not typical. On top of that our GM has disappeared. It could be nothing but at this point its a legitamate question to ask.

Then Marshall and his agent should sit down with the FO (wherever they are) and re-negotiate.
Holding out and demanding a trade requires leverage. He has none!

tsiguy96
06-16-2009, 05:13 PM
Bowlen needs to stay out of this. He talks too much.

If Brandon doesn't want to play, good, sit at home with your pockets empty. And be screwed next year. Then, maybe, the Broncos trade him to a SF, with no QB, to compete with Crabtree, to Buff to compete with TO and his ego, to TB where he's forgotten. Do not give this guy what he wants. After Bowlen has stuck by him through all of his "incidents" it's time for some repayment of loyalty, or suffer the consequences.

i agree 100%, let the coaches and GMs do their job. if he did, cutler wuld still be here (though maybe not happy?) and marshall wouldnt have the idea that hes getting out of here.

summerdenver
06-16-2009, 05:18 PM
Then Marshall and his agent should sit down with the FO (wherever they are) and re-negotiate.
Holding out and demanding a trade requires leverage. He has none!

Yes and thats not the issue I am raising here. While the negotiations are going on we are hearing these different versions of the events. I don't know whats going on and our GM is no where to be seen. Why are two people come out of the meeting with confliting opinions of the events that took place in the meeting hours ago?

Take this situation for example. Kenard Mcguire says Broncos have assured that they will everything in their power to trade Brandon. Patty Smith Broncos PR says Broncos have no comment. Hourse later Josh McDaniels says we will not trade Brandon Marshall.

btw, you should get hold of Josina Anderson's interview on FM 105.3, normally they have podcasts available. I don't want to mold your opinion and you can decide for your self what she is trying to say.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-16-2009, 05:20 PM
Brandon to Broncos: SEE YOU IN HELL!

ZONA
06-16-2009, 05:23 PM
If the Broncos offered him a larger contract, and it has protections built in if BM is suspended again, and BM still wants to be traded, then let him go. We are starting a new way of doing business around here and "me" first players who get arrested every offseason have no place here. I love the kids talent but I also loved TO's talent and there is no way in hell I would support a player like that on my team. I'm not ready to write him off just yet though. I would offer BM a larger short term contract and let him prove to me he can stay out of trouble and grow up. Give him like 12M over 2 years and tell him he can have every last penny of it if he can refrain from getting suspended from any future events, not anything pending. At most he would miss 4 games if he is suspended for anything that is going to trail right now.

DenverBrit
06-16-2009, 05:25 PM
Mane to Boob: SEE YOU IN HELL!


Wear asbestos.....no, really.

ZONA
06-16-2009, 05:28 PM
I don't buy a word of what BM's agent says. Why in the hell would the Broncos come out of there and publicly state they would try to trade him, thus shooting themselves in the foot by reducing the leverage for trading him. Doesn't make any sense to me. I think maybe this agent saw how the media blew up the Cutler fiasco. All he has to do is throw out some lies and now you have a big media war going on and that will only help him to get BM traded.

DenverBrit
06-16-2009, 05:29 PM
Yes and thats not the issue I am raising here. While the negotiations are going on we are hearing these different versions of the events. I don't know whats going on and our GM is no where to be seen. Why are two people come out of the meeting with confliting opinions of the events that took place in the meeting hours ago?

Take this situation for example. Kenard Mcguire says Broncos have assured that they will everything in their power to trade Brandon. Patty Smith Broncos PR says Broncos have no comment. Hourse later Josh McDaniels says we will not trade Brandon Marshall.

btw, you should get hold of Josina Anderson's interview on FM 105.3, normally they have podcasts available. I don't want to mold your opinion and you can decide for your self what she is trying to say.

It is too early to know, but my guess is that Bowlen said what is reported and McD said, whoa, he's under contract and that's our leverage, he's expected in camp......no trading.

My understanding is that these were two different meetings.

Bowlen should avoid these situations....he's a soft touch and emotional.

elsid13
06-16-2009, 05:30 PM
I don't buy a word of what BM's agent says. Why in the hell would the Broncos come out of there and publicly state they would try to trade him, thus shooting themselves in the foot by reducing the leverage for trading him. Doesn't make any sense to me. I think maybe this agent saw how the media blew up the Cutler fiasco. All he has to do is throw out some lies and now you have a big media war going on and that will only help him to get BM traded.

I am sure that agent is telling the world that he available. He creating the market for very talented young WR.

summerdenver
06-16-2009, 05:31 PM
I don't buy a word of what BM's agent says. Why in the hell would the Broncos come out of there and publicly state they would try to trade him, thus shooting themselves in the foot by reducing the leverage for trading him. Doesn't make any sense to me. I think maybe this agent saw how the media blew up the Cutler fiasco. All he has to do is throw out some lies and now you have a big media war going on and that will only help him to get BM traded.

So why don't they simply refute it. Instead of saying no comment, only for Josh McDaniels to say Brandon will not be traded hours later?


When reached by FOX31 sports Monday afternoon Marshall said he would have, “no comment,” at the time.

Broncos spokesman, Patrick Smyth, also said, "the Broncos have no comment at this time," when reached by Anderson



http://community.kdvr.com/_AGENT-BRONCOS-WILL-ATTEMPT-TO-FACILIATE-MARSHALLS-TRADE-REQUEST/BLOG/352100/96399.html;jsessionid=8896AF6BC925807E4DFB2C6D0D59 EAB4?as=96399

Northman
06-16-2009, 05:32 PM
I don't buy a word of what BM's agent says. Why in the hell would the Broncos come out of there and publicly state they would try to trade him, thus shooting themselves in the foot by reducing the leverage for trading him. Doesn't make any sense to me. I think maybe this agent saw how the media blew up the Cutler fiasco. All he has to do is throw out some lies and now you have a big media war going on and that will only help him to get BM traded.


Yea, i was going to say something similiar. Agents care about their clients but the only way they make any headway is when there is a circus surrounding them. I have no doubt that Brandon's agent wants to piggyback on what happened with Cutler and see if he can get Brandon out of town with a big payday. Its only in the Agents best interest to try and exploit a situation like that.

summerdenver
06-16-2009, 05:33 PM
It is too early to know, but my guess is that Bowlen said what is reported and McD said, whoa, he's under contract and that's our leverage, he's expected in camp......no trading.

My understanding is that these were two different meetings.

Bowlen should avoid these situations....he's a soft touch and emotional.

This is what I am suggesting - that there is difference of opinion among FO. I wonder who is the final decision maker in the FO now?

DenverBrit
06-16-2009, 05:49 PM
This is what I am suggesting - that there is difference of opinion among FO. I wonder who is the final decision maker in the FO now?

According to some:
http://www.scotchengineer.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/walker_black.jpg

;D

tsiguy96
06-16-2009, 05:52 PM
they are using bowlens craziness against him. if enough people say he said marshall would be traded, maybe bowlen will actually think he wanted to trade him.

chawknz
06-16-2009, 05:53 PM
The Broncos have Marshall by the family jewels and they are the ones in control. Awesome.

While I am sick of the off season drama, I'm interested to see how this plays out.

FireFly
06-16-2009, 06:18 PM
Bowlen needs to stay out of this. He talks too much.

If Brandon doesn't want to play, good, sit at home with your pockets empty. And be screwed next year. Then, maybe, the Broncos trade him to a SF, with no QB, to compete with Crabtree, to Buff to compete with TO and his ego, to TB where he's forgotten. Do not give this guy what he wants. After Bowlen has stuck by him through all of his "incidents" it's time for some repayment of loyalty, or suffer the consequences.

I agree.

Besides which, I don't think he holds out. I think if the Broncos call his bluff he blinks and turns up. If they don't then they are stupid. Even if they want to trade him, a reciever in camp has more value than one that is holding out.

There are two things of concern outside of the immediate implications of Brandon playing for us.

1) The power struggle betwen McDaniels and Bowlen, this could have long term implications for the Broncos. If Bowlen wins and takes point in all of this, how long until the rest of the league is laughing behind our back ala Al Davis and the Raiders? I know that we're a long way of that, but when owners think they know more than coaches and GM's there a problems.

If a coach or GM isn't seen to have done their job to the satisfaction of the fans, the owner and the team you can give them their walking papers. Once the owner decides to run the franchise, well... redskins, raiders, cowboys.

2) Recent jerseys I've owned:
- Plummer
- Lynch
- Cutler
- Marshall

I mean sersiously! I can't catch a break! These things are expensive! :moody:

Vegas_Bronco
06-16-2009, 06:35 PM
I agree.

Besides which, I don't think he holds out. I think if the Broncos call his bluff he blinks and turns up. If they don't then they are stupid. Even if they want to trade him, a reciever in camp has more value than one that is holding out.

There are two things of concern outside of the immediate implications of Brandon playing for us.

1) The power struggle betwen McDaniels and Bowlen, this could have long term implications for the Broncos. If Bowlen wins and takes point in all of this, how long until the rest of the league is laughing behind our back ala Al Davis and the Raiders? I know that we're a long way of that, but when owners think they know more than coaches and GM's there a problems.

If a coach or GM isn't seen to have done their job to the satisfaction of the fans, the owner and the team you can give them their walking papers. Once the owner decides to run the franchise, well... redskins, raiders, cowboys.

2) Recent jerseys I've owned:
- Plummer
- Lynch
- Cutler
- Marshall

I mean sersiously! I can't catch a break! These things are expensive! :moody:


You should definitely NOT purchase a Hillis jersey...in fact, QUIT buying jerserys altogether :thumbs:

Popps
06-16-2009, 06:37 PM
2) Recent jerseys I've owned:
- Plummer
- Lynch
- Cutler
- Marshall
:

Lynch and Plummer did great things for the organization. You can still wear those with pride.

The other two?

Peel the names off, stick them in your closet and recycle them when someone worthwhile comes along.

TonyR
06-16-2009, 06:40 PM
BOURBONNAIS, Ill. – Wearing a Wisconsin Badgers t-shirt and a smile, All-Pro return specialist Devin Hester reported to Bears training camp Friday, ending a two-day holdout.

Hester had chosen not to report to camp by Wednesday’s midnight deadline because he was upset that he had not received a contract extension like many of his teammates.

Devin Hester has been selected to the Pro Bowl in each of his first two NFL seasons.
Hester has two years remaining on the four-year deal he signed in 2006 when he was selected by the Bears in the second round of the draft (57th overall). He told the Chicago Tribune that he would not report to camp until he received a new deal, but apparently had a change of heart.


It's clearly McD's fault...

TonyR
06-16-2009, 06:44 PM
McDaniels was trying to get Cutler back on board but Cutler gave Bowlen the 'finger' by 'refusing to return his calls. McD was overridden by the owner who finally said 'enough!! trade him.'
Now bear in mind, that happened AFTER Cutler's agent told the Broncos that Cutler wanted to be traded and that's why he wasn't returning Bowlen's calls. (paraphrasing)

Marshall's situation is too 'new' for anyone to know what really happened. Maybe Bowlen was blind drunk and got all mushy with Marshall and made promises that McPoopyPants ignored.


I'm starting to worry that Bowlen went against McD's wishes with Cutler and now he's doing it again with Brandon. Bowlen is doing things backwards.

When George Steinbrenner was young he was the Yankees dictator, overruling everyone in the organization, often to the organization's detriment. Now that he's old and at least partially incapacitated he's stepped away. Bowlen is doing the opposite...

WoodMan
06-16-2009, 06:46 PM
Good. Just once, I'd like to see a team call a player's bluff and string this b**** out as long as possible.
Ashley Lielei

footstepsfrom#27
06-16-2009, 06:48 PM
Exactly. Is it really too much to ask for some consistency in message and in action from the three-headed hydra in the front office?

We have an owner that appears to be drunk and shooting from the hip.
An absentee GM.
A baby rookie head coach with a Pats logo tattooed on his ass.

As bad as the defensive product was on the field last year....the front office has topped it as an unmitigated disaster this off-season.
Yeah...it's almost like a script caught in a loop.

Meanwhile...wouldn't it behoove Bowlen to create some much needed PR credit by at least making a statement on the Wiegmann contract situation? One would think that's the first thing they'd want to do...take on what looks like a fairly simple and easy to solve problem by getting out there ahead of the curve; make some kind of public statement about how they're committed to working with Casey and his agent to meet everyone's mutual satisfactions, etc, etc...blah blah blah...instead, we get complete silence.

What's up with that? ???

Popps
06-16-2009, 06:51 PM
Yeah...it's almost like a script caught in a loop.

Meanwhile...wouldn't it behoove Bowlen to create some much needed PR credit by at least making a statement on the Wiegmann contract situation?

I actually agree, here... though not so much "PR" but just as a message to the team.

Problem is, this is still money... and CW is 37 years old or something. This, like Marshall.. is not without risk. I don't know what he's asking for, but I'd be surprised if we wouldn't be reasonable with him.

But, maybe there's truth to us tightening up our budget. I don't know. (Nor does anyone here.)

Hercules Rockefeller
06-16-2009, 06:57 PM
I'm starting to worry that Bowlen went against McD's wishes with Cutler and now he's doing it again with Brandon. Bowlen is doing things backwards.

When George Steinbrenner was young he was the Yankees dictator, overruling everyone in the organization, often to the organization's detriment. Now that he's old and at least partially incapacitated he's stepped away. Bowlen is doing the opposite...

I'm curious how much the $$$ factor is in the back of Pat's mind right now, despite what anyone from the organization will ever say publically. Klis claimed the $$$ factor had to do in part with the decision to trade a 1st next year because they didn't want to pay 4 1sts over 2 years. But let's be honest, unless you're in the Top 6 or 7 picks, 1st round contracts are not that bad, Clady's deal at #12 works out to like a $3M per year average.

Cutler absolutely would have demanded (and deserved) a new contract if he went to the Pro Bowl again next year, and even with his off field incidents, Brandon still deserves a new deal after two-straight 100+ catch seasons. Could Pat have paid out $50M guaranteed to just two players right now?

NYBronco
06-16-2009, 07:02 PM
I'm for letting Marshall sit and if he decides to come back, earn his spot, prove he has healed from the injury and trouble free get him a new contract.

footstepsfrom#27
06-16-2009, 07:11 PM
I actually agree, here... though not so much "PR" but just as a message to the team.

Problem is, this is still money... and CW is 37 years old or something. This, like Marshall.. is not without risk. I don't know what he's asking for, but I'd be surprised if we wouldn't be reasonable with him.

But, maybe there's truth to us tightening up our budget. I don't know. (Nor does anyone here.)
How many office employees got axed a few months ago?

About Wiegmann...he's 35, 36 in July, 2 years younger than Nalen, but he he's been an iron man, a guy who currently has more consecutive starts than any NFL offensive lineman. Like Marshall, he played for well below what he was worth last year, and his contract is barely more than Lonnie Paxton.

How come Lonnie Paxton, Jabbar Gafffney and a very mediocre CB with one good season...a guy Miami didn't want...get paid and we're quibbling over nickels with this guy? I seriously want to know what you think, because other than the fact that all these guys are new and brought here by McDaniels, what have they done to deserve getting paid and Wiegmann's issue is still in doubt?

dsmoot
06-16-2009, 07:46 PM
I'm starting to worry that Bowlen went against McD's wishes with Cutler and now he's doing it again with Brandon. Bowlen is doing things backwards.

When George Steinbrenner was young he was the Yankees dictator, overruling everyone in the organization, often to the organization's detriment. Now that he's old and at least partially incapacitated he's stepped away. Bowlen is doing the opposite...

You are worried about Bowlen doing something you know little to nothing about. Don't worry until Pat says something publically.

gunns
06-16-2009, 08:33 PM
Lynch and Plummer did great things for the organization. You can still wear those with pride.

The other two?

Peel the names off, stick them in your closet and recycle them when someone worthwhile comes along.

Plummer did great things? Where the hell was I? Like what?

Br0nc0Buster
06-16-2009, 08:43 PM
Plummer did great things? Where the hell was I? Like what?

well he was right handed, but would throw it with his left at times.

if that isnt greatness I dont know what is

Broncojef
06-16-2009, 08:49 PM
How many office employees got axed a few months ago?

About Wiegmann...he's 35, 36 in July, 2 years younger than Nalen, but he he's been an iron man, a guy who currently has more consecutive starts than any NFL offensive lineman. Like Marshall, he played for well below what he was worth last year, and his contract is barely more than Lonnie Paxton.

How come Lonnie Paxton, Jabbar Gafffney and a very mediocre CB with one good season...a guy Miami didn't want...get paid and we're quibbling over nickels with this guy? I seriously want to know what you think, because other than the fact that all these guys are new and brought here by McDaniels, what have they done to deserve getting paid and Wiegmann's issue is still in doubt?


Reward those that deserve it and are warriors. I'd resign Wiegmann to a good sized two year deal and cut ties with Crybaby#2 in a heartbeat.

BioCore
06-17-2009, 04:14 AM
Plummer did great things? Where the hell was I? Like what?

I guess going to the Championship game with a 13-3 record in the regular season and having one of the highest winning percentages in Denver's history means nothing to some people.

God the way things are going Ill be praying we can win even close to to the number of games Plummer quaterbacked teams did in the same number of years

watermock
06-17-2009, 04:28 AM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=6125&dateline=1230057616

So there!

I'm going to go **** my cheerleader and play handball.

watermock
06-17-2009, 04:29 AM
God the way things are going Ill be praying we can win even close to to the number of games Plummer quaterbacked teams did in the same number of years

Chances of that are slim and none.

Hulamau
06-17-2009, 04:54 AM
Why do we keep having these conflicting statements?

Marshall's agent says, Broncos said that they will do everything in their power to accommodate his trade request and Josh McDaniels says we are not trading Brandon. May I remind that this is not the first time this happened this offseason?

That's the way it goes Its the Drew Rosenhaus /Bus Cook school of spin any meeting to the Press FIRST however you want your guy to look, including putting whatever words in the owners mouth to suit your angle and then run with it.

That's why you get 'conflicting' statements about what was said!

Nevertheless, I can see a couple rationales why the FO might be ready to dump him regardless. No doubt in a perfect world they would want to keep him for his obvious size and talent alone.

But they have a much better fix on his health issues and these possible legal troubles than we do. And remember, Cutler said too how often Brandon has wound up in Shannys office for one thing or another so its no secret the club knows what he is and that he's a constant handful and a bit of a walking time bomb.

And they also know that with his late March hip surgery, the odds of him truly being 100%, and totally in sync with the offense and ready to go in September are slim to none and slim left town!

Therefore even if Brandon is technically fit for duty by start of season we'd be lucky if he is 85% at top form, if he will even ever be at truly top form again? .. .A question no one knows for sure at all at this point.

Add to that the reality that he has zero chemistry and sync with Orton or Simms at the moment and coupled with the fact that this spread offense will literally 'spread the ball around' a lot more even if he is here than the offense run by 'Lock on #15 first and foremost' Baby Jay, and everyone knows Marshall isn't coming up with any 100 catch seasons this year!

As such, seeing all these potential pit falls and value-robbing possibility and realities facing both Marshall and the Broncos, I can easily see why they might want to go ahead and get rid of him for the highest possible price now, rather than watch his stock inevitably drop this year, even if his hip does make it back to 100%.

If he was a typical super star WR with with not much drama (do they exist? :-) and a healthy body, and he was just holding out for money, they might make him sweat a bit for precedent-sake, and then pay him by the end of camp.

But this is a different scenario, and I can see why they might feel the best course for the team overall is to swing for a solid #1 pick plus a middle rounder now , while he still has two 100 catch seasons and a fresh Pro bowl on the resume.

Then McD and the whole team can settle in with who they have and all the WR know they are competing for the number one spot.

Haaa! :-* Why not Trade him to Chicago for Devin Hester and their second round pick :-) At least we'd have a mean Kick off and Punt return team between Devin on kickoff and Royal on punts..

Our average starting field position would probably increase by 20 yards :-) Making a shorter game for Orton and the offense all year! Perhaps, and that would spare Eddie the wear and tear on KO duty as well, and allow him to devote more energy to WR?

Who knows maybe Hester also becomes a decent option and can certainly stretch the field and knows Orton? I say this in Jest, some what, but stranger things have happened.

footstepsfrom#27
06-17-2009, 05:16 AM
Reward those that deserve it and are warriors. I'd resign Wiegmann to a good sized two year deal and cut ties with Crybaby#2 in a heartbeat.
"Warriors who deserve it"- let's define that for Wiegemann

1) durable to consistently start virtually every game/check
2) plays through injury/check
2) performs at pro bowl level/check
3) currently significantly underpaid/check

Trouble is...all those things also fit Marshall, who like him or not, performs on the field, doesn't miss games, plays through injuries and is also way underpaid.

watermock
06-17-2009, 05:20 AM
That's the way it goes Its the Drew Rosenhaus /Bus Cook school of spin any meeting to the Press FIRST however you want your guy to look, including putting whatever words in the owners mouth to suit your angle and then run with it.

That's why you get 'conflicting' statements about what was said!

Nevertheless, I can see a couple rationales why the FO might be ready to dump him regardless. No doubt in a perfect world they would want to keep him for his obvious size and talent alone.

But they have a much better fix on his health issues and these possible legal troubles than we do. And remember, Cutler said too how often Brandon has wound up in Shannys office for one thing or another so its no secret the club knows what he is and that he's a constant handful and a bit of a walking time bomb.

And they also know that with his late March hip surgery, the odds of him truly being 100%, and totally in sync with the offense and ready to go in September are slim to none and slim left town!

Therefore even if Brandon is technically fit for duty by start of season we'd be lucky if he is 85% at top form, if he will even ever be at truly top form again? .. .A question no one knows for sure at all at this point.

Add to that the reality that he has zero chemistry and sync with Orton or Simms at the moment and coupled with the fact that this spread offense will literally 'spread the ball around' a lot more even if he is here than the offense run by 'Lock on #15 first and foremost' Baby Jay, and everyone knows Marshall isn't coming up with any 100 catch seasons this year!

As such, seeing all these potential pit falls and value-robbing possibility and realities facing both Marshall and the Broncos, I can easily see why they might want to go ahead and get rid of him for the highest possible price now, rather than watch his stock inevitably drop this year, even if his hip does make it back to 100%.

If he was a typical super star WR with with not much drama (do they exist? :-) and a healthy body, and he was just holding out for money, they might make him sweat a bit for precedent-sake, and then pay him by the end of camp.

But this is a different scenario, and I can see why they might feel the best course for the team overall is to swing for a solid #1 pick plus a middle rounder now , while he still has two 100 catch seasons and a fresh Pro bowl on the resume.

Then McD and the whole team can settle in with who they have and all the WR know they are competing for the number one spot.

Haaa! Why not Trade him to Chicago for Devin Hester and their second round pick :-) At least we'd have a mean Kick off and Punt return team between Devin on kickoff and Royal on punts..

Our average starting field position would probably increase by 20 yards :-) Making a shorter game for Orton and the offense all year! Perhaps, and that would spare Eddie the wear and tear on KO duty as well, and allow him to devote more energy to WR?

Who knows maybe Hester also becomes a decent option and can certainly stretch the field and knows Orton? I say this in Jest, some what, but stranger things have happened.
.

watermock
06-17-2009, 05:23 AM
Jesus, didn't Hester allready go thru what BM is now?

Buy a clue.

watermock
06-17-2009, 05:33 AM
Add to that the reality that he has zero chemistry and sync with Orton or Simms at the moment and coupled with the fact that this spread offense will literally 'spread the ball around' a lot more even if he is here than the offense run by 'Lock on #15 first and foremost' Baby Jay, and everyone knows Marshall isn't coming up with any 100 catch seasons this year!



Just WOW.

You do realize everyone HAS TO LEARN A NEW PLAYBOOK, RIGHT?

Both offense and defense.

We'll be lucky to win 5 games.

Hulamau
06-17-2009, 05:49 AM
Just WOW.

You do realize everyone HAS TO LEARN A NEW PLAYBOOK, RIGHT?

Both offense and defense.

We'll be lucky to win 5 games.

Of course he has to learn it, and if he comes in to TC healthy and ready to go then fine . But if he holds out all camp staring at his navel and then shows up, only to go through the motions by August 14th just to avoid losing his 4th year eligibility it gives him precious little time to get all the little things down and get in gear with the all new offense and Orton ... assuming his hip really is at 100% then and he is at full speed.

And the Hester option was, of course, mostly in Jest, as CLEARLY stated and emphasized with smiley faces and such so that even those among us paying the least attention could see it was mostly a little irony ....I.E. trading Cutler and Marshall for Orton and Hester.

Anyway, I figured someone here would have a conniption fit over it and get their titties in a twister taking the little musing too seriously. :clown:

watermock
06-17-2009, 05:55 AM
I guess you were just joking then?

cutthemdown
06-17-2009, 06:59 AM
Smart thing maybe would be to just let Brandon sit out for a bit. He has to play this yr in order to get any play next yr as a restricted FA. If he plays like crap, he will get low ball offers, we can match.

If he plays well he gets good offers, we can still match. We don't even have to tag him because he won't be a an UFA.

This is all making since, it's the fact next yr may be an uncapped yr, where he isn't an unrestricted FA. His agent making a play for money now because next yr he may not get it either.

DenverBrit
06-17-2009, 07:06 AM
I'm starting to worry that Bowlen went against McD's wishes with Cutler and now he's doing it again with Brandon. Bowlen is doing things backwards.

When George Steinbrenner was young he was the Yankees dictator, overruling everyone in the organization, often to the organization's detriment. Now that he's old and at least partially incapacitated he's stepped away. Bowlen is doing the opposite...

Agreed. They sure do need to get their 'act' together.

Beantown Bronco
06-17-2009, 07:22 AM
For those who claim that Shanahan would have had new contracts in place, I have two words: Clinton Portis.

Bad example. Portis wanted to negotiate two years early....not one. He also wanted to be the highest paid RB in the league. You can't have it both ways. Every player in the league knows that, if you want the team to negotiate a new contract before the one you have expires, you have to be willing to give up a little. You simply can't demand to be among the highest paid in the league. What's in it for the team?

Also, for every Portis you name, I'll raise you a TD or a Rod Smith.

DenverBrit
06-17-2009, 07:34 AM
Bad example. Portis wanted to negotiate two years early....not one. He also wanted to be the highest paid RB in the league. You can't have it both ways. Every player in the league knows that, if you want the team to negotiate a new contract before the one you have expires, you have to be willing to give up a little. You simply can't demand to be among the highest paid in the league. What's in it for the team?

Also, for every Portis you name, I'll raise you a TD or a Rod Smith.

Bad example??

You've just described the Marshall and Portis situation.

The Difference?:
Off field police incidents, suspension by the league (possible future suspension) and injuries.
Oh, two years on a contract instead of one.

Yet Shanny shipped Portis out instead of negotiating a new contract.

Beantown Bronco
06-17-2009, 07:42 AM
Bad example??

You've just described the Marshall and Portis situation.

The Difference?:
Off field police incidents, suspension by the league (possible future suspension) and injuries.
Oh, two years on a contract instead of one.

Yet Shanny shipped Portis out instead of negotiating a new contract.

Huh?

Are you saying that every situation involving players wanting a new contract are identical regardless of the context? That's an odd argument to make.

The two situations couldn't be more different. Literally THE ONLY COMMON FACTOR is they both want(ed) new contracts. Every single other factor involved is different however. Shanny shipped Portis out NOT because he simply wanted to renegotiate. He shipped him out because Portis was not willing to budge on wanting to be paid like the top RB in the game. He wasn't willing to give a little on his end to get paid earlier than he was scheduled to. Show me where that applies here. Any hint that Marshall is demanding top 2 or 3 WR in the league money will do.

55CrushEm
06-17-2009, 07:56 AM
Just WOW.

You do realize everyone HAS TO LEARN A NEW PLAYBOOK, RIGHT?

Both offense and defense.

We'll be lucky to win 5 games.

You know, this is at least the 10th time you've said this......why don't you just STFU and not watch this season. Go be a miserable drunk elsewhere.

Douche.

no-pseudo-fan
06-17-2009, 08:04 AM
Here is the deal:

Brandon was underpaid last year, but had off-the-field issues.

He and his agent made a play during the season to clean up his image, do community work, get on sports shows, and make his name known. That and a great season would lock up a big contract.

He has a great season, gets engaged at the Pro Bowl, and is all over ESPN during Super Bowl Week.

He is in negotiations to get his big deal with the Broncos......Then he has another run in with the law.

Denver goes back into wait and see mode.

Brandon and lawyer get case dropped quickly, and league decides not to punish Marshall.

B-Marsh and agent think contract negotiations should go back to what they were.

Denver FO disagrees.

B-Marsh and Co. try to force the issue.....


To Be Continued...

Hotrod
06-17-2009, 08:40 AM
2) Recent jerseys I've owned:
- Plummer
- Lynch
- Cutler
- Marshall

I mean sersiously! I can't catch a break! These things are expensive! :moody:

Any chance I could talk you into sporting a McDip**** jersey Ha!

Hotrod
06-17-2009, 08:41 AM
You know, this is at least the 10th time you've said this......why don't you just STFU and not watch this season. Go be a miserable drunk elsewhere.

Douche.

Love ya man but that avatar really needs to ****ing go Ha!

DenverBrit
06-17-2009, 08:57 AM
Huh?

Are you saying that every situation involving players wanting a new contract are identical regardless of the context? That's an odd argument to make.

The two situations couldn't be more different. Literally THE ONLY COMMON FACTOR is they both want(ed) new contracts. Every single other factor involved is different however. Shanny shipped Portis out NOT because he simply wanted to renegotiate. He shipped him out because Portis was not willing to budge on wanting to be paid like the top RB in the game. He wasn't willing to give a little on his end to get paid earlier than he was scheduled to. Show me where that applies here. Any hint that Marshall is demanding top 2 or 3 WR in the league money will do.

I agree, if I'd made that statement.

My original point was that Marshall would be no more likely to get a new contract with Shanny than he is with the current regime.
Shanny didn't like hold outs, premature contract demands or players stating they didn't want to be in Denver.

I believe that both Shanny and McD would be in a similar place with Marshall right now.....similar, not identical.

Or do you think Shanny would give Marshall a shiny new long term deal that compensates him as top 10 receiver while he's holding out, injured, facing possible suspension and has had 13 police incidents?

I don't.

I do think Marshall deserves a new deal, but he has to get his baggage behind him and holding out is not the way.

55CrushEm
06-17-2009, 09:09 AM
Love ya man but that avatar really needs to ****ing go Ha!

You love it, and you know it. :thumbsup:

fdf
06-17-2009, 09:36 AM
Note to Pat Bowlen.

If you're going to make a joke in the US press, subtlety has absolutely no place in your comment.

If you want to make people laugh, fall down for no reason or something.

It's hard to believe people couldn't tell Bowlen was saying, in an elliptical way, that it had been a long time since a superbowl. You're right, banana peel jokes are better understood in the press and on the Mane.

fdf
06-17-2009, 09:48 AM
. . . Any hint that Marshall is demanding top 2 or 3 WR in the league money will do.

If Marshall were willing to take a contract that raised his salary but made the guaranteed money contingent on health and good citizenship, I suspect that deal would already be done or close to signed--it's a braindead deal for the Broncos.

It's all going to come down to guaranteed money. That's important for Marshall because he knows he is very close to a career ending suspension if he goes off on another woman and he knows he may never be the receiver he was before he lost feeling in his hand and before the hip injury. It's important for the Broncos for the same reason.

Therefore, the evidence points to Marshall wanting a bunch of uncontingent, guaranteed money. To forestall an argument, I agree that the evidence is inferential; but it's the best explanation of what we are seeing right now.

The Broncos need to be hardasses this year if Marshall is demanding big guaranteed money. They need to be generous if he is willing to make larger $$ contingent on performance and behavior. If he plays under his current contract and has a good year, they should trade his ass next offseason and make him someone else's problem when they can get a good price. Right now, they can't get a good price.

oubronco
06-17-2009, 10:03 AM
Here is the deal:

Brandon was underpaid last year, but had off-the-field issues.

He and his agent made a play during the season to clean up his image, do community work, get on sports shows, and make his name known. That and a great season would lock up a big contract.

He has a great season, gets engaged at the Pro Bowl, and is all over ESPN during Super Bowl Week.

He is in negotiations to get his big deal with the Broncos......Then he has another run in with the law.

Denver goes back into wait and see mode.

Brandon and lawyer get case dropped quickly, and league decides not to punish Marshall.

B-Marsh and agent think contract negotiations should go back to what they were.

Denver FO disagrees.

B-Marsh and Co. try to force the issue.....


To Be Continued...

to be exact:


Bowlen declined a request seeking comment. Marshall has been one of the NFL's top receivers the previous two seasons, when he combined for 206 receptions, 2,590 yards and 13 touchdowns.

And, yes, he is affordable. According to a USA Today study, there were 58 receivers in the NFL who drew more than $2.2 million in salary and prorated bonuses last year, including Eddie Royal, Brandon Stokley and Keary Colbert of the Broncos.
Marshall's contract is more reflective of the fact he was a fourth-round draft pick than his production, although because he was named to the Pro Bowl last season, he did get a bump this season from $535,000 to nearly $2.2 million.

BroncoBuff
06-17-2009, 10:12 AM
Good. Just once, I'd like to see a team call a player's bluff and string this b**** out as long as possible.

You'll get your wish kind of, cause they have to string this out awhile, no choice. Can't get fair market value for damaged goods which is what Marshall is right now.

BroncoBuff
06-17-2009, 10:14 AM
Marshall's contract is more reflective of the fact he was a fourth-round draft pick than his production, although because he was named to the Pro Bowl last season, he did get a bump this season from $535,000 to nearly $2.2 million.

That's why even Eddie Royal made more than he did last year ... and $535k to $2.2 mill is more than a "bump," it quadruples his base salary.

oubronco
06-17-2009, 10:14 AM
This offseason is a fuggin joke I'll be glad when it's over and if this sh*t continues thru the season into next we'll be saying bye bye to McDipshyt

oubronco
06-17-2009, 10:15 AM
That's why even Eddie Royal made more than he did last year ... and $535k to $2.2 mill is more than a "bump," it quadruples his base salary.

Yea but when Kerry Colbert makes more than him it's B.S.

BroncoBuff
06-17-2009, 11:16 AM
Yea but when Kerry Colbert makes more than him it's B.S.

Wow ... just wow.

*WARHORSE*
06-17-2009, 11:55 AM
The way that Shanny dealt with Portis is the best way to deal with Brandon.

Mike said, 'What do you want Clinton?'

Portis said, 'I want to be the highest paid runningback in the league.'

M, "You feel youre the best RB in the league?"

P, "Yup."

M, "Ok. I understand your position. Heres mine. I cant pay you that kind of money. We dont want to sink that amount of money into the RB position, we feel we dont get value for our money at that position. So, in order to help you out, I'll give you opportunity to get your money. If you feel youre the top back, then I want the same value in trade for you. Bring me a top ten draft pick, and I'll deal you..........then you can get paid.........deal?"

P, "Deal.......Thanks Mike"



Just tell Brandon,
"If you think youre worth top five money, then get me top five value in a deal and I'll let the door hit you in the okole on the way out."



If Brandon came to the door with the same offer that OchoStinko brought from Washington, it would be: Adios muchacho!


But that wont happen.

barryr
06-17-2009, 12:01 PM
I'd like Marshall to stay since obviously the Broncos are better with him. I doubt they would get much for him, though I hope he doesn't pout. He has a lot of growing up to do and this is something that will either show he is getting there or has much work to do in order to reach it.

TonyR
06-17-2009, 12:30 PM
Yea but when Kerry Colbert makes more than him it's B.S.

So what are you suggesting? Should Shanny have given him a raise last year? Or should the Broncos now give an injured player with potentially serious legal issues a big raise? Doesn't it make more sense to wait for him to get healthy and solve his legal issues? This should be a rhetorical question but for many of you it clearly isn't which is why I ask. If it does make more sense to wait (trust me, it does), then what are the Broncos doing "wrong" that you're so worked up about?

Broncojef
06-17-2009, 10:47 PM
"Warriors who deserve it"- let's define that for Wiegemann

1) durable to consistently start virtually every game/check
2) plays through injury/check
2) performs at pro bowl level/check
3) currently significantly underpaid/check

Trouble is...all those things also fit Marshall, who like him or not, performs on the field, doesn't miss games, plays through injuries and is also way underpaid.

Well looks like we nailed Wiegmann...2 years done deal. If Marshall gets an incentive laden deal speaking to keeping his nose clean I wouldn't be too pissed I guess.

BroncoInferno
06-17-2009, 11:18 PM
I don't know if the agent's contention that Bowlen agreed to accomodate the trade is true or not, but either way Bowlen needs to go back to signing the checks and let the front office people handle these things.

bronco610
06-17-2009, 11:20 PM
Well looks like we nailed Wiegmann...2 years done deal. If Marshall gets an incentive laden deal speaking to keeping his nose clean I wouldn't be too pissed I guess.

I have the feeling thats why Brandon packed some stuff and left, because it was incentive based. He wants guarantees and a fat signing bonus.

Hercules Rockefeller
06-17-2009, 11:22 PM
He wants guarantees and a fat signing bonus.

Which makes him no different than every single player in the league.

TonyR
06-18-2009, 09:33 AM
Which makes him no different than every single player in the league.

Yes, except for his injury and legal issues. You don't give guaranteed money to such a player until such issues are resolved. If he was healthy and didn't have a possible suspenstion hanging over his head I think the Broncos would be in the wrong for not paying him now. But he isn't and he does so they're not.

SoDak Bronco
06-18-2009, 09:37 AM
Yes, except for his injury and legal issues. You don't give guaranteed money to such a player until such issues are resolved. If he was healthy and didn't have a possible suspenstion hanging over his head I think the Broncos would be in the wrong for not paying him now. But he isn't and he does so they're not.

How much you wanna bet Brandon will have a new contract w/the Broncos by the end of this season?

TonyR
06-18-2009, 11:11 AM
FWIW, touches on a lot of topics we've been debating on the Mane...

Broncos Don’t Plan To Trade Marshall
Posted by Mike Florio on June 18, 2009, 12:42 p.m. EDT

We’ve continued to hear, from well-placed sources (as opposed to our usual “dude who replaces the toilet paper”), that the Denver Broncos will not be trading receiver Brandon Marshall.

It could be puffing. We understand that. But the point is that there apparently won’t be a “get what we can and move on” approach in this specific case.

If someone offered a first-round pick and a second-round pick, it would be very difficult for Denver to decline. Still, who in the hell would offer that much for a guy who in turn will want at least $9 million per year, and who remains one renegade McDonalds’ bag away from another suspension, or worse?

So the Broncos get it. They realize no one is sufficiently desperate to take that kind of a risk.

(Except maybe the Jets.)

Meanwhile, we’re detecting a bit of a sense that the organization would prefer that owner Pat Bowlen not get personally involved in these situations. Bowlen’s role in the Jay Cutler situation served only to grease the skids for a divorce, given that Bowlen was offended (as he should have been) by Cutler’s alleged refusal to return calls or texts from the guy who signs the checks.

And coupled with Bowlen’s admission that he is suffering from short-term memory loss, any one-on-one meeting with an unhappy player can result in the player claiming that Bowlen said things that he flat-out didn’t say.

So that’s the problems the Broncos now have. Marshall thinks Bowlen said a trade will be pursued. It doesn’t matter whether the team disagrees; the mere fact that Marshall believes it will make it even harder for the coaching staff and the front office to manage the situation.

Still, there’s a fundamental difference between having an unhappy receiver and an unhappy franchise quarterback. With Cutler, the Broncos had no choice but to move on. With Marshall, they can say things like “see you in camp.”

And that’s basically what they’re doing.

In other words, long after T.O. is gone, there will be pass-catchers who give us reasons to get our popcorn ready.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/06/18/broncos-dont-plan-to-trade-marshall/