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Los Broncos
06-16-2009, 11:14 AM
If we end up trading Marshall, which it looks like we will, how many do we win?

I say 5...

PRBronco
06-16-2009, 11:18 AM
If we trade him for picks...I say we go 6-10 (I'm a homer for life)
If we trade him for a player who will log significant time on defense...we go 8-8. That's right.

Gort
06-16-2009, 11:18 AM
the Broncos will go 11-5 with or without him.

so let it be written, so let it be done.

WINS: @CIN, CLE, @OAK, DAL, NE, @BAL, @WAS, SD, @KC, OAK, KC

or you can think of it this way...
- sweep KC
- sweep OAK
- split with SD
- beat 3 likely inferior teams (CIN, CLE, WAS)
- beat 2 likely superior teams in disarray (DAL, BAL)
- win a game that's personal for McD (NE).

http://members.tripod.com/thenightporter/tenimages/ramses2.jpg

Garcia Bronco
06-16-2009, 11:19 AM
I think the question is how many games won't we lose. He cost us at least two games last season.

Hotrod
06-16-2009, 11:19 AM
I'm going with 4-5 wins either way.

Popps
06-16-2009, 11:23 AM
http://www.naugblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/dr_evil_one_million_dollars.jpg

One million....

vancejohnson82
06-16-2009, 11:25 AM
why doesnt anyone see anything better?

the Falcons on paper were horrific....at least it seemed

Turner = Moreno
Ryan = Orton (ok, you can laugh there)
White = Royal

cmon!!

gyldenlove
06-16-2009, 11:26 AM
why doesnt anyone see anything better?

the Falcons on paper were horrific....at least it seemed

Turner = Moreno
Ryan = Orton (ok, you can laugh there)
White = Royal

cmon!!

The Falcons also replaced one of the worst head coaches in the league with a pretty good one. We replaced one of the best head coaches in the league.

broncsyanks
06-16-2009, 11:58 AM
5 without him. i was predicting 8 with him. but ok. we trade him. were going to have a hell of a draft next year. woowhoo!! something to look foward to now. next years draft. great job bowlen. you and the front office sucks

NFLBRONCO
06-16-2009, 12:02 PM
6 wins with him

SB without him

400HZ
06-16-2009, 12:03 PM
3.

OBF1
06-16-2009, 12:04 PM
NO difference at all. Marshall is not a game winner. 200+ catches the last 2 seasons, Zero playoff appearences. I have as many career playoff receptions as Brandon Marshall.

SoDak Bronco
06-16-2009, 12:08 PM
NO difference at all. Marshall is not a game winner. 200+ catches the last 2 seasons, Zero playoff appearences. I have as many career playoff receptions as Brandon Marshall.

you are a fool...lol wow are you serious with this take? Are you saying he caused us to lose games? It was that pathetic defense and terrible special teams along with costly turnovers. He was a big reason we did so well offensively.

SoDak Bronco
06-16-2009, 12:09 PM
4

manchambo
06-16-2009, 12:17 PM
Take an offense that moved the ball but had serious flaws last year, take away pro bowlers at QB and WR, add a raw but talented RB, and there's a large net loss.

You have a defense that hasn't added nearly as much talent as it needed to, and is trying to learn a new system. And that's really a dramatic thing when you're talking about converting linemen to LBs, etc. So even though there seems to be more talent there, I don't think that defense is much better this year.

I say 3-5 wins.

Beantown Bronco
06-16-2009, 12:19 PM
NO difference at all. Marshall is not a game winner. 200+ catches the last 2 seasons, Zero playoff appearences. I have as many career playoff receptions as Brandon Marshall.

Good to know that you are as good a Super Bowl QB as Dan Marino.

Meck77
06-16-2009, 12:27 PM
Answer: How could anyone even predict this when we don't know what we are facing in return?

OBF1
06-16-2009, 12:35 PM
you are a fool...lol wow are you serious with this take? Are you saying he caused us to lose games? It was that pathetic defense and terrible special teams along with costly turnovers. He was a big reason we did so well offensively.

Hey butt dumpling, Read my post again and tell me where I claim he COST us a game.

OBF1
06-16-2009, 12:36 PM
Good to know that you are as good a Super Bowl QB as Dan Marino.

No I am not, Atleast Marino made it to the playoffs :kiss:

broncosteven
06-16-2009, 12:44 PM
They had some Lindsay chick from the Denver Post on ESPN this morning who said even with Marshall this team would be hard pressed to win 4-6 games this year.

She said Denver should not trade him, they need to show a backbone.

I thought they should have had the "White Flag" trade/firesale moving Marshall and Champ before the trade. Just think we could have got Ayers and 2 more top DLinemen!

Now we are stuck with Cuter 2.0, the Whiney Bitch who shouldn't drink because it makes him hit women and fall on McD' wrappers.

BroncoMan4ever
06-16-2009, 12:53 PM
The Falcons also replaced one of the worst head coaches in the league with a pretty good one. We replaced one of the best head coaches in the league.

Mike hadn't been one of the best coaches in the league since 2005. he was coming down to just being another coach in the league, and was no longer the offensive mastermind he used to be. he was skating by on accomplishments from a decade ago.

and to answer the original question, 11-5 with him, 10-6 without him.

SoDak Bronco
06-16-2009, 01:09 PM
Hey butt dumpling, Read my post again and tell me where I claim he COST us a game.

Butt dumpling? Wow are you in 3rd or 4th grade? Here is what you said... "NO difference at all. Marshall is not a game winner." The question was asked how many games do we win if we trade Bmarsh...Well, you are saying he is not a winner, aka he doesn't help us win, so if he doesn't help us, then he is probably in your opinion replaceable, and I am saying you are a fool for thinking that we can just put in Chad Jackson's of the world and get equal produciton (stats and wins). WE ARE WORSE AS A TEAM W/O him and if you don't see that, well sir, you are a bigger butt dumpling or whatever you called me.

kamakazi_kal
06-16-2009, 01:13 PM
NO difference at all. Marshall is not a game winner. 200+ catches the last 2 seasons, Zero playoff appearences. I have as many career playoff receptions as Brandon Marshall.

:hitself:

outdoor_miner
06-16-2009, 01:14 PM
It completely depends what we get for him. If we get a player on par with Brandon's talents in a position of need (DL, WR, or maybe LB), I still think we can win 8 or 9 games this year.

If we only get draft picks, I think we are looking at 5 or 6 wins.

When I write that, it looks ridiculous, as it is basically crediting Marshall with enabling us to win 3 additional games this year. However, our offense looks a hell of a lot worse to me without him helping Orton...

kamakazi_kal
06-16-2009, 01:15 PM
and to answer the original question, 11-5 with him, 10-6 without him.

yeahhhhh pass that s%it to the left ..... puff, puff, give man.

BroncoMan4ever
06-16-2009, 01:33 PM
yeahhhhh pass that s%it to the left ..... puff, puff, give man.

allow me to elaborate. too many people bring up the schedule as a brutal schedule, but the hardest games are SD, who we will split with, NE, which is a personal game to McDaniels, and the NFC East. and that entire division has question marks on them. can the Giants still be dominant on defense without Spags, what will they do without Burress, they fell apart without him last year and have no clear replacement for him, Dallas is constantly an underachiever, loads of talent but always falters, Washington a lot of overpriced signings, but still not great on offense, Phily is streaky and off and on all year.

and without Marshall we still have Royal, Gaffney knows the offense inside and out, Stokley is still reliable, Scheff will be used more, Hillis and Moreno are dynamic weapons. Add in a couple of the rookie receivers, who look like they may be able to comtribute. Lloyd while an underachiever most of his career, he has talent, and will be of use. we may not have one guy with 100+ catches and 1300 yards like Marshall, but all his receptions and yards will just be spread out to the remaining guys. i can't see his being gone as being a back breaker for the team.

Gort
06-16-2009, 01:38 PM
Answer: How could anyone even predict this when we don't know what we are facing in return?

exactly right!!! that's why i'm refuting these pessimists by predicting a winning season and a playoff berth.

UberBroncoMan
06-16-2009, 01:39 PM
8 wins would have been amazing WITH Cutler and Marshall.

How everyone can look at our talent now assume with our schedule that we're going to even sniff the playoffs is beyond me. 5 wins would be a long shot... 8 is a freaking miracle.

chaz
06-16-2009, 02:07 PM
4

broncosteven
06-16-2009, 05:35 PM
allow me to elaborate. too many people bring up the schedule as a brutal schedule, but the hardest games are SD, who we will split with, NE, which is a personal game to McDaniels, and the NFC East. and that entire division has question marks on them. can the Giants still be dominant on defense without Spags, what will they do without Burress, they fell apart without him last year and have no clear replacement for him, Dallas is constantly an underachiever, loads of talent but always falters, Washington a lot of overpriced signings, but still not great on offense, Phily is streaky and off and on all year.

and without Marshall we still have Royal, Gaffney knows the offense inside and out, Stokley is still reliable, Scheff will be used more, Hillis and Moreno are dynamic weapons. Add in a couple of the rookie receivers, who look like they may be able to comtribute. Lloyd while an underachiever most of his career, he has talent, and will be of use. we may not have one guy with 100+ catches and 1300 yards like Marshall, but all his receptions and yards will just be spread out to the remaining guys. i can't see his being gone as being a back breaker for the team.

Where do I get my SB tickets?

I guess having a young inexperienced 1st time HC, starting a new QB, changing the D scheme from 4-3 to 3-4, playing lots of Dlinemen out of position or in positions they have NEVER played before doesn't scare anyone.

I guess we should expect to win every game because this is our team!

GO BRONCOS!

FireFly
06-16-2009, 05:48 PM
7-9 with or without him (so long as he is traded and not just a hold out)

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that if he IS traded its for at least one player who is going to start for our team.

FireFly
06-16-2009, 05:51 PM
the Broncos will go 11-5 with or without him.

so let it be written, so let it be done.

WINS: @CIN, CLE, @OAK, DAL, NE, @BAL, @WAS, SD, @KC, OAK, KC

or you can think of it this way...
- sweep KC
- sweep OAK
- split with SD
- beat 3 likely inferior teams (CIN, CLE, WAS)
- beat 2 likely superior teams in disarray (DAL, BAL)
- win a game that's personal for McD (NE).

http://members.tripod.com/thenightporter/tenimages/ramses2.jpg


Wow. This is like the first thing I've read this off season that has actually mad me thing that we might not have a losing season this year! :strong:

Granted the pessimist in me doesn't think we can beat BAL or DAL or NE (personal or not). And I think we'd have to be very lucky to sweep OAK and KC. But still, thanks for being a ray of hope!

footstepsfrom#27
06-16-2009, 05:53 PM
NO difference at all. Marshall is not a game winner. 200+ catches the last 2 seasons, Zero playoff appearences. I have as many career playoff receptions as Brandon Marshall.
:rofl: By this "logic" Clady, Harris and Royal...everone on the roster after 2005...is also a loser.

FAIL

DBroncos4life
06-16-2009, 05:58 PM
Alphonso Smith many.

footstepsfrom#27
06-16-2009, 05:59 PM
With a brutal schedul, a rookie coach, and no Marshall or Cutler, 4 wins seems about right. The passing game will take a huge hit and that unbalances the offense, which only puts more pressure on the line, the QB and a rookie RB.

The same advantages being pimped for Orton in lieu of Cutler...a team full of offensive weapons...without Marshall looks a lot like the Bear's offense. You have a smallish speed receiver who mostly works underneath the coverage, a versitile RB who catches out of the backfield, and a couple of TE's who can catch 40-60 balls as your primary weapons. That basically describes the Bears offense last year.

Two differences...the defense and the fact that Chicago and Denver finished on opposite ends of the spectrum for starting field position last year...not good for Orton this time around.

Like him or not...we need Marshall here, at least for the forseeable future. Draft picks...even if we get value...won't help this year.

broncosteven
06-16-2009, 06:10 PM
With a brutal schedul, a rookie coach, and no Marshall or Cutler, 4 wins seems about right. The passing game will take a huge hit and that unbalances the offense, which only puts more pressure on the line, the QB and a rookie RB.

The same advantages being pimped for Orton in lieu of Cutler...a team full of offensive weapons...without Marshall looks a lot like the Bear's offense. You have a smallish speed receiver who mostly works underneath the coverage, a versitile RB who catches out of the backfield, and a couple of TE's who can catch 40-60 balls as your primary weapons. That basically describes the Bears offense last year.

Two differences...the defense and the fact that Chicago and Denver finished on opposite ends of the spectrum for starting field position last year...not good for Orton this time around.

Like him or not...we need Marshall here, at least for the forseeable future. Draft picks...even if we get value...won't help this year.

That is an excellent comparison.

I would say that Royal is light years better than Hester ever will be as Hester relys on speed and althetic's whereas Royal has skill and speed.

If only we had players on D that compare to DA BEARS.

orinjkrush
06-16-2009, 06:11 PM
6. +/- 6.

Its gonna be a VEWY VEWY WIERD season.

watermock
06-16-2009, 06:12 PM
I predict we'll be picking in the top 5 next....wait, never mind....

It's official. McDaniels isn't stupid, he's got to be an enemy plant.

Think about it. Fire your HOF coach. Trade your probowl QB who is under contract till '11, piss off your underpaid center and your probowl WR, convert to a 3/4 without the personel, then trade a probable top 5 draft pick in a stonger draft in '10 for an undersized nickle cb.

Oh, and pay your imported and unnessisary long snapper a bonus instead of your probowl fulltime snapper.

DBroncos4life
06-16-2009, 06:12 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=nfl&pollId=73094

just saying

elsid13
06-16-2009, 06:15 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=nfl&pollId=73094

just saying

He even lost in NE. Looks like Reagan's reelection map against Mondale

broncosteven
06-16-2009, 06:18 PM
I predict we'll be picking in the top 5 next....wait, never mind....

It's official. McDaniels isn't stupid, he's got to be an enemy plant.

Think about it. Fire your HOF coach. Trade your probowl QB who is under contract till '11, piss off your underpaid center and your probowl WR, convert to a 3/4 without the personel, then trade a probable top 5 draft pick in a stonger draft in '10 for an undersized nickle cb.

Oh, and pay your imported and unnessisary long snapper a bonus instead of your probowl fulltime snapper.

I love me some Mock 2.0!

maher_tyler
06-16-2009, 06:20 PM
you are a fool...lol wow are you serious with this take? Are you saying he caused us to lose games? It was that pathetic defense and terrible special teams along with costly turnovers. He was a big reason we did so well offensively.

He did have a couple of fumbles inside the red zone!!

footstepsfrom#27
06-16-2009, 06:24 PM
That is an excellent comparison.

I would say that Royal is light years better than Hester ever will be as Hester relys on speed and althetic's whereas Royal has skill and speed.

If only we had players on D that compare to DA BEARS.
Agreed on Hester, but keep in mind that he didn't have Cutler throwing it to him, and second, Hester began as a defensive back, not a receiver. He's bound to improve on that basis alone, and despite last year's aberation during which he was not only learning WR but also coming out of a contract dispute, Hester has no peer as a KR specialist. That has major implicaions on field positon, which further helps the offense.

Since he's played the position only 2 seasons, we don't really know how good he'll be this year, especially with Cutler throwing it.

elsid13
06-16-2009, 06:27 PM
Royal is going to be biggest loser on this deal. Right now DCs have to roll coverage to Marshall's side and they usually put their #1 Corner on him. With Marshall gone, Royal is drawing the top CB and will be bracketed by S/CB in zone. Nice management Dove Valley.

footstepsfrom#27
06-16-2009, 06:28 PM
He even lost in NE. Looks like Reagan's reelection map against Mondale
Well in fairness to Walter he did win Minnesota. ;D

DBroncos4life
06-16-2009, 06:31 PM
Royal is going to be biggest loser on this deal. Right now DCs have to roll coverage to Marshall's side and they usually put their #1 Corner on him. With Marshall gone, Royal is drawing the top CB and will be bracketed by S/CB in zone. Nice management Dove Valley.

Oh I guess you didn't hear the news about Brandon Lloyd joining the team.

footstepsfrom#27
06-16-2009, 06:32 PM
I predict we'll be picking in the top 5 next....wait, never mind....

It's official. McDaniels isn't stupid, he's got to be an enemy plant.

Think about it. Fire your HOF coach. Trade your probowl QB who is under contract till '11, piss off your underpaid center and your probowl WR, convert to a 3/4 without the personel, then trade a probable top 5 draft pick in a stonger draft in '10 for an undersized nickle cb.

Oh, and pay your imported and unnessisary long snapper a bonus instead of your probowl fulltime snapper.
Remember how we all chortled with glee over any real or perceived problem in Washington following the trade for their #1? You gotta know they're absolutely "Sleepless" in Seattle right now. :D

elsid13
06-16-2009, 06:39 PM
Oh I guess you didn't hear the news about Brandon Lloyd joining the team.

Odds are 50-50 that he going to start his rap group and leave the team before training camp

Ramathorn
06-16-2009, 06:44 PM
6 wins with him

2 without him.

Face it. Quit being homers!

BroncoMan4ever
06-16-2009, 07:03 PM
Where do I get my SB tickets?

I guess having a young inexperienced 1st time HC, starting a new QB, changing the D scheme from 4-3 to 3-4, playing lots of Dlinemen out of position or in positions they have NEVER played before doesn't scare anyone.

I guess we should expect to win every game because this is our team!

GO BRONCOS!

dude, i am not calling for us to win a super bowl, i am simply stating my opinion that even without Marshall, i think this team can compete. and even without him we are better as a whole team than we were at the end of last season

colonelbeef
06-16-2009, 07:13 PM
Broncos are a 6-10 team this year with or without Marshall, give or take a game.

HILife
06-16-2009, 07:35 PM
If we end up trading Marshall, which it looks like we will, how many do we win?

I say 5...

Well a friend of mine predicted Denver would go 0-17 (lossing the bye week) and change their name to the Denver Lions. If we trade Marshall, I might have to second that.

~Crash~
06-16-2009, 08:22 PM
It is simple Mcloser is running off players .