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rugbythug
06-16-2009, 08:36 AM
Branch traded

The Deion Branch holdout is over, but Branch isn’t returning to the Patriots. Branch, the fifth-year receiver, has been traded to the Seattle Seahawks for a 2007 first-round draft choice today.

The 5-foot-9, 193-pound Branch was entering the final year of the five-year contract he signed as a rookie in 2002. Unhappy with that deal, he held out of training camp.

Then, in late August, the Patriots gave Branch permission to negotiate with other clubs, and the Seahawks and Jets made contract offers. But a trade with New England couldn’t be consummated by the Patriots’ imposed deadline of Sept. 1 and Branch remained with the Patriots.

Branch and his representatives then filed two grievances against the club. The grievances hadn’t been heard before today’s trade.

The Boston Globe’s Ron Borges reported that the first grievance procedure, which was originally scheduled for Saturday, had been delayed because arbitrator John Feerick wasn’t available that day. The second grievance procedure was scheduled to be argued on Thursday and Friday this week, with discovery and deposition hearings today and tomorrow.

Yet those hearings likely became moot when the Seahawks, who edged the Lions 9-6 in their season opener on Sunday, offered a first-round pick. The Seahawks have concerns in their passing game, with tight end Jerramy Stevens (knee) currently sidelined and top receiver Darrell Jackson having undergone multiple knee surgeries in the last 12 months.

The 27-year-old Branch was a second-round selection (65th overall) in 2002. He appeared in 53 games, with 42 starts, and totaled 213 receptions for 2,744 yards and 14 touchdowns. In eight career playoff games, Branch had 41 receptions for 619 yards and two touchdowns. He was the MVP of Super Bowl XXXIX.

Branch joins a team whose leading receiver Jackson, missed the preseason. Jackson had not practiced until last week following his second knee surgery in four months, in February.

Seattle also has veteran Bobby Engram, former Minnesota Viking Nate Burleson and 2005 surprise D.J. Hackett in its receiving corps.

The last time the Seahawks traded their first-round pick for a veteran player was March 2, 2001, when then-general manager Holmgren traded for quarterback Matt Hasselbeck.

The Patriots are without their top two receivers from last season. David Givens signed with Tennessee as a free agent for five years and $24 million, including an $8 million signing bonus.

ATLANTA -- Filling their need for a No. 3 wide receiver, the Atlanta Falcons on Tuesday night acquired disgruntled Denver Broncos veteran Ashley Lelie in a three-team trade.

Clayton's take
The three-team trade that sent Ashley Lelie to Atlanta, T.J. Duckett to Washington, and two draft choices to Denver late Tuesday had been one of the most difficult to put together in the past couple of years. When all was said and done, the deal made all involved happy.

To read more of John Clayton's Quick Hits, click here. Insider

The Falcons sent former first-round tailback T.J. Duckett to Washington. At worst, the Broncos will receive two draft choices from Washington -- third- and fourth-round picks -- and those picks could escalate based on a complicated formula.

The trade was expected to be announced Wednesday.

The deal sends to new teams two players, Duckett and Lelie, who have been the subject of considerable trade rumors for much of the offseason. Some Atlanta officials conceded on Tuesday night that the trade of Duckett, who enjoyed an excellent training camp and preseason, was a dicey one, because it leaves the club without a proven backup to starting tailback Warrick Dunn, who is 31 and entering his 10th season.

But the Falcons were so desperate for a No. 3 wide receiver, having lost veteran possession pass-catcher Brian Finneran to a season-ending knee injury early in camp, that they were forced to part with Duckett. None of the players in the Atlanta training camp had demonstrated any signs they were capable of seizing the No. 3 wideout job, and coach Jim Mora wanted the spot filled quickly.

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Ashley Lelie

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Also, the Falcons, who were very thin at the position, wanted an experienced player they knew could step into the lineup if either of their starters was injured during the season.

The play at the No. 3 wide receiver spot was so poor in Atlanta's preseason loss at Green Bay on Saturday that Mora yelled to a team personnel official that the club had better make a move to fill the position. And after the game, Mora acknowledged the team "had no" No. 3 wide receiver.

Pasquarelli: Falcons camp tour
FalconsGood thing that, when it comes to strolling down Sack Lane, the Falcons' two standout linemen -- John Abraham and Rod Coleman -- can walk such a straight and steady path. Because in 2006, they and left end Patrick Kerney, who arguably comprise the league's best three-man band of quarterback tormentors, might well challenge the capacity of their own personal memory banks in terms of cataloguing sacks.

• To read more of Len Pasquarelli's take on the Falcons, click here.

In Lelie, the Falcons landed a receiver with top-shelf physical skills, but a four-year veteran who has been a bit of a tease throughout his career. It will also be interesting to see how Lelie, who skipped all of Denver's offseason conditioning program and did not report to training camp, reacts to the deal. Lelie was being fined at the rate of $14,000 per day, the maximum permitted, during his camp holdout.

The total fines for his camp absence came to $378,000. Lelie also lost a $100,000 workout bonus because he did not participate in offseason workouts, and one league source suggested late Tuesday that he also had to repay the Broncos a portion of his original rookie signing bonus.

Lelie, 26, had said that he wanted a situation where he could be the No. 1 wideout. But with the Falcons, he clearly is the No. 3 guy behind starters Michael Jenkins and Roddy White, Atlanta's first-round choices in the 2004 and 2005 drafts, respectively. A league source said Falcons officials had a long meeting with Lelie to discuss his role, and were satisfied he was willing to accept the No. 3 spot.

Interesting is that the Falcons did not extend Lelie's contract as part of the trade, meaning he could be a one-year rental, since he is entering the final season of his original rookie deal, and could be eligible for unrestricted free agency next spring. If the Falcons like Lelie and he is productive for them, they could approach him about an extension during the season. For now, though, his contract remains unaffected.

Clayton: Broncos camp tour
BroncosYears from now, Javon Walker and Ashley Lelie will have plenty of time to reminisce about two of the most interesting trade demands of the past year. Walker wanted out of Green Bay because the team didn't want to open negotiations on a contract extension. Lelie, simply wants out of Denver, and his unwavering position is what opened the door for Walker's trade to Denver.

• To read more of John Clayton's take on the Broncos, click here.

The Broncos' first-round choice in the 2002 draft, Lelie has appeared in 64 games and started in 40 of them. He has 168 receptions for 3,007 yards and 12 touchdowns and his gaudy career average of 17.9 yards per catch is impressive. The former University of Hawaii star, who ironically played for former Falcons head coach June Jones in college, led the NFL in yards per catch in 2004 (20.1) and 2005 (18.3).

His best season was in 2004, when Lelie posted 54 catches for 1,084 yards and seven touchdowns. But the inconsistencies in his game were evident in 2005 and his production slipped, to 42 receptions for 770 yards and just one touchdown. Lelie is a long-strider whose forte is the deep ball up the boundary, and so there are some skeptics who wonder how he will fit into the No. 3 role, which is typically a possession receiver.

The Falcons' first-round pick in the 2002 draft, Duckett, 25, was not a good fit for the one-cut running game the Falcons now emphasize and is viewed around the league more as a "downhill" runner. Like Lelie, he is entering the final season of his original rookie contract and will be eligible for free agency next spring.

Clearly, the Redskins wanted Duckett as insurance against the possibility that star tailback Clinton Portis might not be ready for the start of the season. Portis suffered a shoulder injury last week and, while he is said to be making good progress in his rehabilitation, there is no certainty he will be fully recovered when the Redskins open the season against Minnesota on Sept. 11.

Duckett, 25, gives Washington a proven, starting-quality back and a player whose style is a good fit with the Redskins' offense.

Smith: Redskins camp tour
RedskinsYou've probably seen the hit on SportsCenter. Keep in mind Mike Anderson's not a little cat. Dude's 230 pounds. Sean Taylor didn't want to talk about the collision afterward, but one local reporter managed to get him to open up about it. Taylor's description of the hit: "That's routine."

May be. But that's probably not what comes to mind when the average fan thinks of Sean Taylor.

• To read more of Michael Smith's take on the Redskins, click here.

In two preseason outings, Duckett has rushed for 96 yards on 15 carries. The 96 yards are the sixth most in the NFL in the preseason and Duckett's healthy 6.4-yard average is second best among players with at least 15 rushing attempts.

The former Michigan State standout, the 18th player chosen overall in 2002, has carried 552 times for 2,175 yards and 31 touchdowns in 54 appearances, including 14 starts. His best season was in 2002, when he ran for 779 yards and 11 touchdowns. As a backup, Duckett rushed for 500-plus yards in each of his first three seasons in the league, but dropped off to just 380 yards in 2005. He has averaged nine rushing touchdowns over the last three seasons.

But dealing Duckett leaves Atlanta with no proven backup to Dunn, and the team may look to acquire a veteran back before the start of the season. The team chose Jerious Norwood of Mississippi State in the third round of this year's draft. The rookie has been impressive at times, but it is difficult to ascertain at this point of the preseason.

He Really is in over his head. No way a good coach would let this happen.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-16-2009, 08:47 AM
Comparing Branch and Lelie to Marshall is faulty.

yerner
06-16-2009, 08:51 AM
Seriously, do you ever watch football? If you think Marshall compares to either of these two guys you probably are wasting your time.

Beantown Bronco
06-16-2009, 08:52 AM
Anyone else find it comical that the very first example shown above is a guy who initiated his holdout immediately after McDaniels was named his offensive coordinator?

If you are going to try to shoot down an argument, that's probably not the best example to use.

rugbythug
06-16-2009, 08:53 AM
Anyone else find it comical that the very first example shown above is a guy who initiated his holdout immediately after McDaniels was named his offensive coordinator?

If you are going to try to shoot down an argument, that's probably not the best example to use.

Dieon was bitching the Year before also.

SonOfLe-loLang
06-16-2009, 08:54 AM
Anyone else find it comical that the very first example shown above is a guy who initiated his holdout immediately after McDaniels was named his offensive coordinator?

If you are going to try to shoot down an argument, that's probably not the best example to use.

If you think the two have anythign to do with one another, youre being silly

rugbythug
06-16-2009, 08:55 AM
Seriously, do you ever watch football? If you think Marshall compares to either of these two guys you probably are wasting your time.

Your Right I should Reference.

TO
Chad Johnson

But they have no coaching connections

TonyR
06-16-2009, 08:58 AM
If you are going to try to shoot down an argument, that's probably not the best example to use.

I don't know that he's trying to "shoot down an argument". I think he's trying to make a comparison, and the Branch comparison works at least a little bit. Branch was the Pats leading receiver in 2005 and they took a lot of grief for letting him go. Many were calling it a big mistake. Yes, Brandon is a better player but he's also a bigger headache.

Beantown Bronco
06-16-2009, 09:00 AM
If you think the two have anythign to do with one another, youre being silly

Of course I don't.

All I'm doing is pointing out the obvious comedic value there. Of all the players that hold out every year, he (1) only chose two players and (2) one of the two played directly under the guy taking all the heat for the current holdout situation right now immediately after he was promoted to a new position. You can't make this stuff up.

TonyR
06-16-2009, 09:00 AM
...youre being silly

Not only silly but ridiculous. But there's a lot of that going around on this whole Brandon Marshall issue.

rugbythug
06-16-2009, 09:03 AM
Of course I don't.

All I'm doing is pointing out the obvious comedic value there. Of all the players that hold out every year, he (1) only chose two players and (2) one of the two played directly under the guy taking all the heat for the current holdout situation right now immediately after he was promoted to a new position. You can't make this stuff up.

I chose players who a) played Reciever and B) Had golden Child Coaches.

Hotrod
06-16-2009, 09:06 AM
I dont think it is a strech at all to say that McDoogie is in over his head. All we can do now is hope he is learning from his mistakes.

TonyR
06-16-2009, 09:35 AM
All we can do now is hope he is learning from his mistakes.

What, if any, are his "mistakes" with respect to the Brandon Marshall situation?

Hotrod
06-16-2009, 09:43 AM
What, if any, are his "mistakes" with respect to the Brandon Marshall situation?

Indirectly this handling of the Cutler situation is feeding this current **** up.

I'm certainly not defending Marshall in this case but McD lost Brandon the person when he ****ed up the Cutler situation period.

rugbythug
06-16-2009, 09:46 AM
Indirectly this handling of the Cutler situation is feeding this current **** up.

I'm certainly not defending Marshall in this case but McD lost Brandon the person when he ****ed up the Cutler situation period.

How did you come to this conclusion? Did you watch the Marshall interview post Cutler? He was almost condescending in it.

bronco militia
06-16-2009, 09:50 AM
hey look...two more diva WR's

Traveler
06-16-2009, 09:56 AM
I don't know that he's trying to "shoot down an argument". I think he's trying to make a comparison, and the Branch comparison works at least a little bit. Branch was the Pats leading receiver in 2005 and they took a lot of grief for letting him go. Many were calling it a big mistake. Yes, Brandon is a better player but he's also a bigger headache.

I thought he was just trying to be sarcastic. But if someone is willing to part with a 1st rounder (very doubtful) see you later nephew Brandon.

DenverBrit
06-16-2009, 10:00 AM
Seriously.

What does any of this have to do with Marshall holding out and wanting a new contract?

The attempt at making a McD connection is just silly.

NFLBRONCO
06-16-2009, 10:04 AM
Any chance Cutler and BM's problem is maturity and neither like to face challenges head on. Neither liked McD because he was going to push them and not coddle them. The money is the next on the list. I miss Rod Smith type of players.

Traveler
06-16-2009, 10:04 AM
Seriously.

What does any of this have to do with Marshall holding out and wanting a new contract?

The attempt at making a McD connection is just silly.

Those that are doing so reminds me of this:
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DenverBrit
06-16-2009, 10:15 AM
Any chance Cutler and BM's problem is maturity and neither like to face challenges head on. Neither liked McD because he was going to push them and not coddle them. The money is the next on the list. I miss Rod Smith type of players.

I don't think it's a coincidence that the two most immature Bronco's players are/were the one's holding their breath until they get what they want.

Hotrod
06-16-2009, 10:15 AM
Obviously there is no connection between McD and the state of the Broncos franchise

LMMFAO

DenverBrit
06-16-2009, 10:30 AM
Obviously there is no connection between McD and the state of the Broncos franchise

LMMFAO

Wrong thread. That's been beaten to death elsewhere. :wiggle:

Hotrod
06-16-2009, 10:33 AM
Wrong thread. That's been beaten to death elsewhere. :wiggle:

Did my side of the arguement win in the other threads???

:)

DenverBrit
06-16-2009, 10:35 AM
Did my side of the arguement win in the other threads???

:)

LOL There are rarely winners in pi$$ing contests. ;D

bronco militia
06-16-2009, 10:39 AM
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OBF1
06-16-2009, 11:10 AM
He Really is in over his head. No way a good coach would let this happen.

You are even worse than an Idiot.... This has zero to do with the coach.

Hotrod
06-16-2009, 11:15 AM
You are even worse than an Idiot.... This has zero to do with the coach.

Of course it doesnt. Everyone knew Cutler and BMarsh were on their way out of town before Shanny was fired.

for ****s sake