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Popps
06-16-2009, 01:01 AM
The Broncos got rid of their star quarterback because he wouldn't return a couple of phone calls. That's child's play in comparison.

Star wide receiver Brandon Marshall has taken absurdity to the extreme.

His phone rings, but nobody's home.

Denver's drama king is a crisis always waiting to happen, and it usually does.

Now, Marshall shows up for the Broncos' final, mandatory minicamp, but only to talk briefly with the owner, then gather three boxes of his things and leave. No practice, no playbook study, no team meetings, no anything football-related.

Adam Schefter, formerly of The Post, reported Monday that Marshall asked Pat Bowlen to trade him. Let us assist Marshall in packing the rest of his boxes.

Don't go away mad, Brandon. Just go, take all your luggage — and baggage — and don't come back.

If Josh McDaniels wants the Broncos to have a fresh, New England West start in 2009, he will dump the "divo."

Marshall has demanded that his contract be renegotiated.

He's not worth the trouble.

The trouble he gets into, the trouble he causes on and off the field, the trouble he most certainly will be in the future. Marshall is one bar fight, one domestic argument, one drunken driving charge, one more 911 call away from an eight-game suspension, two more from being Pacman.

But he has the audacity, the absurdity, to seek more millions of dollars this season.

Based on what?

Based on the 13 "incidents" that have involved police since 2004?

And that doesn't even include the "incident" of Marshall and his cousin in the New Year's Eve nightclub conflict that eventually ended with the murder of teammate Darrent Williams, or a Puerto Rico "incident" or the "incident" in Orlando, Fla., that Marshall called "roughhousing with a relative" that led to the infamous "McDonald's Bag Slip" and a severe arm artery wound — which Marshall has said caused numbness in his hand the entire 2008 season, or, possibly, other "incidents" we haven't heard about.

The rest...

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_12597316

Popps
06-16-2009, 01:02 AM
It really is mind-boggling to see this bozo's antics on paper.

Most people don't even include his college arrest, either.

I'm hoping we work it out with him, but have to admit... Woody makes a strong case, here. I don't like the guy as a human being.

Popps
06-16-2009, 01:07 AM
Kliss speculates...

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_12597567

The Broncos appear intent on waiting Marshall out. Trading him would seem to be a dicey option. For starters, several other disgruntled NFL receivers who have more proven track records — Arizona's Anquan Boldin, Cincinnati's Chad Johnson and Green Bay's Donald Driver — have let it be known they are unhappy with their contracts. All are still with their respective teams.

Then there's Plaxico Burress, who in five fewer games than Marshall the past two seasons, has caught three more touchdown passes (16 to 13). Burress accidentally shot himself in the thigh last season, an incident that led to still-pending charges and his release from the Giants. He remains unsigned.

Marshall has a lengthy legal rap sheet, including a misdemeanor battery charge that is pending in an Atlanta court. He is recovering from an injured hip that wasn't surgically repaired until April 1.

BroncoDoug
06-16-2009, 01:08 AM
As much as it would suck losing his talent on the field, I wouldn't cry if he left. I want guys who want to be here, a whole team full of Eddie Royals!

footstepsfrom#27
06-16-2009, 01:38 AM
And that doesn't even include the "incident" of Marshall and his cousin in the New Year's Eve nightclub conflict that eventually ended with the murder of teammate Darrent Williams...
So now Marshall is to blame for D-Will's death. Maybe we can connect hin to 911 too.

Popps
06-16-2009, 01:39 AM
So now Marshall is to blame for D-Will's death. Maybe we can connect hin to 911 too.

Did he say he was to blame?

I'll read it again. I think he was just saying he was speculated to be involved, which is sort of old news. I missed the word blame.

Let me read it again. Maybe it's there....

footstepsfrom#27
06-16-2009, 01:48 AM
I'm hoping we work it out with him, but have to admit... Woody makes a strong case, here. I don't like the guy as a human being.
And yet you just said you want him here...why? If he's as bad as all that, why would you want him on the team at all?

If you were objecting to him being here based on his character issues like you claim, I'd respect that. But intstead, you merely object to him wanting to get paid according to how he's produced on the field. As long as he plays cheap, or maybe conforms to some kind of code you have about showing up at mini-camp or waiting till his contract is up...you're fine with him being here in spite of his personal issues.

If you're going to object based on character, then stand for him being gone regardless of his pay scale, his negotiation tactics or anything else. Complaining about character issues only when the guy's costing more money, etc...is pretty hypocritical.

footstepsfrom#27
06-16-2009, 01:51 AM
Did he say he was to blame?

I'll read it again. I think he was just saying he was speculated to be involved, which is sort of old news. I missed the word blame.

Let me read it again. Maybe it's there....
Pretty obvious that he's implying it as something else to blame Marshall for. I think there were a number of players there besides him...not sure why any of that makes them culpable in his murder. Maybe because it's Woody Paige.

watermock
06-16-2009, 02:01 AM
including a misdemeanor battery charge that is pending in an Atlanta court.

Honestly, that's it, a misdemeanor. The first suspension was equally ambiguous. He was never chaged, and this one, even if guilty, will be counceling.

Don't theyhave a disputed confession in the works wih a known killer/crack dealer?

Wasn't Javon there, and DWill and ohers?

Donald Driver?

Burress won't play his season.

Ocho Cinco?

OBF1
06-16-2009, 02:23 AM
Pretty obvious that he's implying it as something else to blame Marshall for. I think there were a number of players there besides him...not sure why any of that makes them culpable in his murder. Maybe because it's Woody Paige.

It has been printed all over the place. Brandon Marshall and his cousin were outside getting into an arguement with alledged Crip gang members less than an hour before DW was shot and killed.


You have become the most inconsistant poster on the mane anymore. The only things you do is Bash anything releated to McDaniels and call out anyone that has anything bad to say about a player.

Wake up bro, BM is a douchebag of biblical proportions, But I am sure it is all Josh McDaniels fault in your eyes.

watermock
06-16-2009, 02:26 AM
Marshall has a lengthy legal rap sheet, including a misdemeanor battery charge that is pending in an Atlanta court. He is recovering from an injured hip that wasn't surgically repaired until April 1.

I don't believe he's been convicted of anyting but a
DWAI.

A charge is not a rap sheet.

footstepsfrom#27
06-16-2009, 02:50 AM
It has been printed all over the place. Brandon Marshall and his cousin were outside getting into an arguement with alledged Crip gang members less than an hour before DW was shot and killed.
So...this makes him culpable for D-Will's death? That's complete speculation. NFL players are targets for both attention and abuse no matter where they go, especially in a night club. It could just as easily have been D-Will himself who aggrevated things. People don't like hearing it but he had his own shady background including gangs and drugs and nobody knows who caused what or why this happened the way it did. Blaming Marshall is just stupid.
You have become the most inconsistant poster on the mane anymore. The only things you do is Bash anything releated to McDaniels and call out anyone that has anything bad to say about a player.
Actually I've been considerably passive about McDaniels over the last several weeks, and the only players I've come to defend are the only two we've been talkning about...along with about 30 other posters in here who are also weighing in with similar opinions.
Wake up bro, BM is a douchebag of biblical proportions, But I am sure it is all Josh McDaniels fault in your eyes.
"Biblical proportions"...I see. Maybe you should wake up...this coaching regime is off to the most questionable start of any in Bronco history.

Drek
06-16-2009, 04:01 AM
Wake up bro, BM is a douchebag of biblical proportions, But I am sure it is all Josh McDaniels fault in your eyes.

I'd say its all Mike Shanahan's fault. So was Cutler.

He coddled, cattered to, and in every other way possible spoiled Cutler, Marshall, and any other productive offensive player, excusing multiple poor decisions by Cutler that would've had him nearly tearing the helmet off Griese or Plummer, writing them off in post-games as young mistakes, etc.. He never stepped up and put Marshall in his place when he first started having off-field troubles.

The **** that Cutler and Marshall have done this off-season comes off to me as the single biggest stain on Mike Shanahan's tenure here. Bigger than Dale Carter, IHOP, or Travis Henry.

rastaman
06-16-2009, 05:07 AM
As much as it would suck losing his talent on the field, I wouldn't cry if he left. I want guys who want to be here, a whole team full of Eddie Royals!

What happens when the Eddie Royals and Hillis's want to leave as well....then what will you have to say! Oh yeah I forgot..."We Only Want Players Who Want To Be Here!!

Broncoman13
06-16-2009, 05:09 AM
It has been printed all over the place. Brandon Marshall and his cousin were outside getting into an arguement with alledged Crip gang members less than an hour before DW was shot and killed.


You have become the most inconsistant poster on the mane anymore. The only things you do is Bash anything releated to McDaniels and call out anyone that has anything bad to say about a player.

Wake up bro, BM is a douchebag of biblical proportions, But I am sure it is all Josh McDaniels fault in your eyes.

Ding. The only thing that sucks about the whole BM mess is that he is likely worth more to us than he is another team. If some team is STUPID enough to give us a first and a third for him..... SEEEEEEYA Brandon. If it's only a 2nd, keep him around and make him play out his current contract. And, if that sets a poor precedent, so be it. Not sure how many more "Me First" type guys are on the team???

Spider
06-16-2009, 05:09 AM
I like b Marsh , but adios ........... Dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out ....... BTW take this nice McDonalds collectors bag with you as a parting gift ........

footstepsfrom#27
06-16-2009, 05:29 AM
Ding. The only thing that sucks about the whole BM mess is that he is likely worth more to us than he is another team. If some team is STUPID enough to give us a first and a third for him..... SEEEEEEYA Brandon. If it's only a 2nd, keep him around and make him play out his current contract. And, if that sets a poor precedent, so be it. Not sure how many more "Me First" type guys are on the team???
"It's a business"...remember? A mini-camp hold out for a guy whose drastically underpaid? Shocker! The nerve of this SOB...slap him down...or the next thing you know some pro bowl offensive linemen making what the long snapper does might start getting upity too.

footstepsfrom#27
06-16-2009, 05:40 AM
I'd say its all Mike Shanahan's fault. So was Cutler.

He coddled, cattered to, and in every other way possible spoiled Cutler, Marshall, and any other productive offensive player, excusing multiple poor decisions by Cutler that would've had him nearly tearing the helmet off Griese or Plummer, writing them off in post-games as young mistakes, etc.. He never stepped up and put Marshall in his place when he first started having off-field troubles.

The **** that Cutler and Marshall have done this off-season comes off to me as the single biggest stain on Mike Shanahan's tenure here. Bigger than Dale Carter, IHOP, or Travis Henry.
Shanahan's problem? :rofl: Didn't he leave here already? Before Cutler's situation happened? Yes...it's obviously his fault...good call.

First of all...Cutler IS a young QB, and second, last I checked...Carter and Henry notched FELONIES, which is somewhat more disturbing than guys wanting to get paid like they should and holding out of mini-camp or having a personal conflict with the head coach.

Shanahan can be blamed for a lot...the behavior of McDaniels and it's repercussions is not on the list.

rastaman
06-16-2009, 05:42 AM
I'd say its all Mike Shanahan's fault. So was Cutler.

He coddled, cattered to, and in every other way possible spoiled Cutler, Marshall, and any other productive offensive player, excusing multiple poor decisions by Cutler that would've had him nearly tearing the helmet off Griese or Plummer, writing them off in post-games as young mistakes, etc.. He never stepped up and put Marshall in his place when he first started having off-field troubles.

The **** that Cutler and Marshall have done this off-season comes off to me as the single biggest stain on Mike Shanahan's tenure here. Bigger than Dale Carter, IHOP, or Travis Henry.

Oh BS! Its going to to come down to McDaniels putting a winning product on the field, replacing Cutler with another Franchise QB and finding another 100 plus reception-thousand yard receiver to replace BMarsh. Don't worry Miracle McDaniels got it all figured out. He's got the Bronco faithful hood-winked and snowed.

Can't wait for all the excuses for McDaniel's from the McDaniel's Fan Club over the next 2 years! You guys have already lowered the bar of expectations for McD. The McD fan base won't expect him to replicate Shanny's first 4 seasons as HC in Denver; nor will you go on line and say McD will match Shanny's first 4 years in 6 years!! Face it, the excuses are well planned for McD's mediocrity from his fan faithful.

Truth is, none of the Belicheck coaching diciples have WON SQUAT as NFL HC'S. Why sould the realistic Bronco fans expect anything different from an unproven 33 year old rookie HC from the Belicheat family tree!!!

Besides, history has proven NFL HC's don't win SQUAT in their 30's!!!! Coaches come into their own in NFL in their mid 40's......and McD won't be any different. Denver is merely a testing bed of lessons learned when it comes McDaniels.

In 3 or 5 years, Bowlen will have had enough of McD's inexperience, blunders, and screw ups and McD will have had enough of HC'ing under fire and scrutiny and mutiny; and will find himself back in NE as Belicheats OC.

Meanwhile, the Denver Broncos will have become the Raiders-Detroit Lions of the NFL.

BroncoFiend
06-16-2009, 06:01 AM
And yet you just said you want him here...why? If he's as bad as all that, why would you want him on the team at all?

If you were objecting to him being here based on his character issues like you claim, I'd respect that. But intstead, you merely object to him wanting to get paid according to how he's produced on the field. As long as he plays cheap, or maybe conforms to some kind of code you have about showing up at mini-camp or waiting till his contract is up...you're fine with him being here in spite of his personal issues.

If you're going to object based on character, then stand for him being gone regardless of his pay scale, his negotiation tactics or anything else. Complaining about character issues only when the guy's costing more money, etc...is pretty hypocritical.

The current issue that is being debated is 'Can Marshall reasonably demand a new contract with so many risk factors hovering over him'. I would love to keep him, but it's hard not to see the front offices side with a guy that has had so many run ins with the law, thinks he can train better away from the team, and has had a pretty extensive injury history.

Most players, even 'me first' players, would do everything they could to prove they deserved the big contract this year, then once they get it it's anyone's guess as to how they play.

The fact that he is demanding a contract now is so odd in fact, that I think his injuries may be more serious than everyone thinks and he's looking for some money because he fears his playing days may be short lived. Obviously I am speculating here, but it really is so odd for a player in Marshall's position to demand more money and commitment from the team.

footstepsfrom#27
06-16-2009, 06:16 AM
Oh BS! Its going to to come down to McDaniels putting a winning product on the field, replacing Cutler with another Franchise QB and finding another 100 plus reception-thousand yard receiver to replace BMarsh. Don't worry Miracle McDaniels got it all figured out. He's got the Bronco faithful hood-winked and snowed.

Can't wait for all the excuses for McDaniel's from the McDaniel's Fan Club over the next 2 years! You guys have already lowered the bar of expectations for McD. The McD fan base won't expect him to replicate Shanny's first 4 seasons as HC in Denver; nor will you go on line and say McD will match Shanny's first 4 years in 6 years!! Face it, the excuses are well planned for McD's mediocrity from his fan faithful.

Truth is, none of the Belicheck coaching diciples have WON SQUAT as NFL HC'S. Why sould the realistic Bronco fans expect anything different from an unproven 33 year old rookie HC from the Belicheat family tree!!!

Besides, history has proven NFL HC's don't win SQUAT in their 30's!!!! Coaches come into their own in NFL in their mid 40's......and McD won't be any different. Denver is merely a testing bed of lessons learned when it comes McDaniels.

In 3 or 5 years, Bowlen will have had enough of McD's inexperience, blunders, and screw ups and McD will have had enough of HC'ing under fire and scrutiny and mutiny; and will find himself back in NE as Belicheats OC.

Meanwhile, the Denver Broncos will have become the Raiders-Detroit Lions of the NFL.
The closest thing I can recall for sheer brashness from a rookie head coach that compares to the way McDaniels is going is Jimmy Johnson when he first got here in Dallas. For grins I took a look at the Cowboys roster from the time Jimmy took over a 3-11 team untill his 3rd season, when they turned it around to go 11-5...one year before they won the Super Bowl. Johnson shuffled 69 players through the revolving door that was the Dallas roster during that time and did some dumb stuff like farting away the top pick in the draft by picking Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft when he allready had Aikman.

But the Cowboys at that time had nowhere near the talent on offense that Denver had coming into the season, and taking a look at the players he let go, the only big time talent he turned loose of except for a couple of aging stars well past their prime was Herschel Walker, who of course returned huge benefits with the trade that turned the franchise around. That's radically different than the current approach. Johnson of course also wsn't dealing with free agency, which meant the team had more leverage than they do now. In spite of that, if anyone could be accused of "coddling" superstars however, it was probably Jimmy. He tolerated Michael Irvin, Eric Williams and the series of scandals that hit the team for several years, (remember the "White House"?) while taking a get tough approach with other less significant players.

However one wishes to view that, Johnson was savvy enough to recognize that there was a certain amount of special treatment that star players got, simply because you had to keep them if you wanted to win a championship. Johnson was much tougher on the garden variety player, even cutting a guy on the spot for fumbling in training camp and he berated players publicly...remember the famous comment about "the asthma field is over there?" The point is...Johnson knew how far he could go and where the line had to be drawn on his own power because he recognized that he wasn't dealing with college kids anymore, but professionals who were making millions. Even Jerry Jones got that point...remember when he caved in to Emmit Smith's contract demands after he sat out two games in '93? Johnson garnered respect despite his aggressive nature and over the top approach with players that he decided he didn't want because he managed to get players to buy into what he was doing from the very beginning. Watching this as a Cowboy hater, there was something about what he was doing that made it obvious he was going to win...even during the first two seasons including the 1-15 fiasco his first year. You could see the plan formulating and it made sense. I don't see that in the current situation. It's difficult if not impossible apart from simple blind faith to see the logic of these moves or the attitude that seemingly accompanies them.

Broncoman13
06-16-2009, 06:29 AM
"It's a business"...remember? A mini-camp hold out for a guy whose drastically underpaid? Shocker! The nerve of this SOB...slap him down...or the next thing you know some pro bowl offensive linemen making what the long snapper does might start getting upity too.

Actually, he is underpaid for his performance on the field... though even that is a bit overrated. And I agree, this is a business which is even more reason to be frustrated with BMarsh's timing. Injuries, off-field issues, and needing to learn a new system. You tell me how the timing of this is "opportune"???

If anybody on the team should be holding out it is Chris Kuper. Same exact situation as BMarsh. Outplaying his contract, same draft year, late round contract, etc. Only, Kuper doesn't have off-field issues. And, the injuries he has had, he has played through them and been VERY effective.

footstepsfrom#27
06-16-2009, 06:34 AM
The current issue that is being debated is 'Can Marshall reasonably demand a new contract with so many risk factors hovering over him'. I would love to keep him, but it's hard not to see the front offices side with a guy that has had so many run ins with the law, thinks he can train better away from the team, and has had a pretty extensive injury history.
The last two seasons Marshall has started 31 of 32 games and his only missed start was not due to injury. In 2006, his rookie year, he played in 15 games, so Marshall has missed one game in 3 years do to injury. Even last year, after the arm slicing thing in the offseason, Marshall was ready to start the season. As for the hip...this is pure speculation on fans part looking for reasons to hate on this guy besides his off field behavior. His skepticism over the team medical trainer is based on a justifiable issue he as with misdiagnosing his medical condition. Why would one expect him to blindly trust them now? Even fans on this board have consistently expressed lack of faith with these same medical and training people related to issues with conditioning and injuries.
Most players, even 'me first' players, would do everything they could to prove they deserved the big contract this year, then once they get it it's anyone's guess as to how they play.
I disagree. Most players having back to back 100 catch seasons coming off the pro bowl would want a pay raise if they were making backup money, which he is. In the BUSINESS of the NFL, the average career is 4 years long and players look to parlay success into future security as fast as possible, even if it means trying to use leverage to get what they want. I don't see that as a character issue at all, but a business issue. "Me first" describes the attitude of every NFL owner including Bowlen...who is after all, making the money he is in large part due to publicc tax money being spent on a fancy new stadium for him...basically free money he got from many people who had no vested interest at all in his team. Bowlen certainly wasn't worried about fairness and what was "deserved" when he accepted the massive tax payer subsidy he received...was he?
The fact that he is demanding a contract now is so odd in fact, that I think his injuries may be more serious than everyone thinks and he's looking for some money because he fears his playing days may be short lived. Obviously I am speculating here, but it really is so odd for a player in Marshall's position to demand more money and commitment from the team.
It happens all the time. There's nothing "odd" about it since it's not unusual. Concerning the hip...the Broncos will do what any NFL team looking at him will...have him take a thorough physical. He should have had the surgery last year but didn't, so IF he has something wrong with him now, whose fault is that if it turns out he was inaccurately diagnosed last year? In fact, one could make the case that even if he never plays another down, that the team owes him money due to the fact that they may be responsible for his career being cut short...and obviously he's been worth far more than $500K a year so far. If he were paid like he performed the last two years, Bowlen would owe him around $15-18 million, instead of the $1 million he paid him.

Kaylore
06-16-2009, 06:34 AM
The current issue that is being debated is 'Can Marshall reasonably demand a new contract with so many risk factors hovering over him'. I would love to keep him, but it's hard not to see the front offices side with a guy that has had so many run ins with the law, thinks he can train better away from the team, and has had a pretty extensive injury history.

That's what the McD bashers don't get. They want to piss an moan about how the team sucks and McD sucks but they won't look at the issue objectively.

Marshall's been a headache off the field going back to college. He's a repeat offender and some of things that he was busted for going back he actually did do. He also has issues with his hip or arm. Whether that's Greek's fault or not ( think it was) is neither her nor there at this point.

The other end is Marshall is horribly underpaid for what he's done consistently. Even with his drops last year, and his step back in his big YAC plays, Marshall still was extremely productive. He is still a beast to cover and a beast in the run game because he's like having a tight end on the field. He is being paid less than fifty-some-odd other receivers in the league and should be getting much better money for his talent. He knows the FO can simply tender him next year as an RFA and then franchise him the year after that.

Keeping him might be a good option. He is a great compliment to Eddie and a consistent threat after the catch. This offense will have a lot of plays that will showcase his ability to run after the catch. If he wants top ten money, then that's fine if it's toward the lower part of the top ten and includes clauses that protect the team when he screws up again - and he will do it.

But that begs the question about is it smart to keep him? What happens when you pay this guy that's a problem child and he does mess up again and faces an eight game suspension? Then you have no receiver and nothing to show for it.

Trading him presents another series of problems. The first being you get no return this season on anything if it's for just draft picks. If it's not, you also face the problem of what teams would be willing to give up for him facing the host of issues that Woody Paige listed along with his health concerns. That will diminish his value in a trade. The other problem is letting him whine his way out of town could lead to the perception that the FO is soft and as long as you piss off the owner you can get out of your contract. The team has to put their foot down or the inmates will be running the asylum.

The last option is fine him until he yields, comes in and plays pissed off and then play out the season. You risk having a crybaby on the team, but you also protect yourself from any contract or losing the player. It's status quo. Marshall's contract sucks and he's not making any money in endorsements. Fining him until he comes in might work.

I'm actually leaning toward trading him just to get all the whiners off the team, but I think fining him until he comes in would be a better option for the team. It's a tough call and one that I'm glad I don't have to make.

Broncos_OTM
06-16-2009, 06:37 AM
I don't believe he's been convicted of anyting but a
DWAI.

A charge is not a rap sheet.
A rap sheet, also known as a criminal record, is a record of arrests and convictions

Broncoman13
06-16-2009, 06:40 AM
The timing of this demand has a lot to do with the CBA ending. Most believe that the next CBA will end up favoring the owners in a very big way. I think the contracts that you are seeing today will be drastically reduced. But I also believe you will no longer see players locked up for 6 or more years at a time. I expect a lot of 3 year $20m contracts. No more Franchise Tags and no more Unrestricted Free Agents. 60% going to the players is a thing that has to happen now if it is ever going to happen. Brandon is trying to capture a contract under the current CBA that could pay him in the 6 year $50m range. After this year he'll be lucky to see half of that with half of the time. So when you consider that, the timing makes sense. It's the fact that he has some pending issues that make you wonder what he's hedging his bet on. The only real power he has is the fact that the Broncos just traded Jay Cutler and really can't afford to trade another star.

Broncoman13
06-16-2009, 06:42 AM
That's what the McD bashers don't get. They want to piss an moan about how the team sucks and McD sucks but they won't look at the issue objectively.

Marshall's been a headache off the field going back to college. He's a repeat offender and some of things that he was busted for going back he actually did do. He also has issues with his hip or arm. Whether that's Greek's fault or not ( think it was) is neither her nor there at this point.

The other end is Marshall is horribly underpaid for what he's done consistently. Even with his drops last year, and his step back in his big YAC plays, Marshall still was extremely productive. He is still a beast to cover and a beast in the run game because he's like having a tight end on the field. He is being paid less than fifty-some-odd other receivers in the league and should be getting much better money for his talent. He knows the FO can simply tender him next year as an RFA and then franchise him the year after that.

Keeping him might be a good option. He is a great compliment to Eddie and a consistent threat after the catch. This offense will have a lot of plays that will showcase his ability to run after the catch. If he wants top ten money, then that's fine if it's toward the lower part of the top ten and includes clauses that protect the team when he screws up again - and he will do it.

But that begs the question about is it smart to keep him? What happens when you pay this guy that's a problem child and he does mess up again and faces an eight game suspension? Then you have no receiver and nothing to show for it.

Trading him presents another series of problems. The first being you get no return this season on anything if it's for just draft picks. If it's not, you also face the problem of what teams would be willing to give up for him facing the host of issues that Woody Paige listed along with his health concerns. That will diminish his value in a trade. The other problem is letting him whine his way out of town could lead to the perception that the FO is soft and as long as you piss off the owner you can get out of your contract. The team has to put their foot down or the inmates will be running the asylum.

The last option is fine him until he yields, comes in and plays pissed off and then play out the season. You risk having a crybaby on the team, but you also protect yourself from any contract or losing the player. It's status quo. Marshall's contract sucks and he's not making any money in endorsements. Fining him until he comes in might work.

I'm actually leaning toward trading him just to get all the whiners off the team, but I think fining him until he comes in would be a better option for the team. It's a tough call and one that I'm glad I don't have to make.

Good post. If the draft picks are parlayed into a player then I'd be okay with it. I'd hate to see us get a draft pick though and not have any benefit to the current roster for this season.

footstepsfrom#27
06-16-2009, 06:47 AM
Actually, he is underpaid for his performance on the field... though even that is a bit overrated.
Explain to me how a guy who the market says should have made about $15-18 million the last two years based on his production...yet made $1 million...a roughly 90% of better discount...is a salary situation that's "overrated".
And I agree, this is a business which is even more reason to be frustrated with BMarsh's timing. Injuries, off-field issues, and needing to learn a new system. You tell me how the timing of this is "opportune"???
Off field issues are something lots of NFL players have but they still get paid by their performance on the field. Look at TO...he wrecks every team he's on but he still gets paid because teams want the talent. Injuries are a non factor here..he's missed one game in 3 years due to injury and never missed a start since he got into the starting lineup due to injury. Every NFL contract is a risk...if he bombs out you cut him free, which is the same risk the team accepts with any player. NFL contracts are not guaranteed...and since the team's already demonstrated they're not to worried about gambling with 1st round picks...what they might get in a trade...I don't see this risk as appreciably worse than many others. It's merely being spun this way to excuse the Broncos management for what they're probably about to do...dump another star player.
If anybody on the team should be holding out it is Chris Kuper. Same exact situation as BMarsh. Outplaying his contract, same draft year, late round contract, etc. Only, Kuper doesn't have off-field issues. And, the injuries he has had, he has played through them and been VERY effective.
Kris Kuper has performed nowhere near the level B-Marsh has, only really coming into his own last year, and he was not even activated on the roster his first 11 games of his rookie year. But your point is actually somewhat valid that he's due a raise. Bowlen would be wise to make him happy sooner rather than later so he's not walking out the door or listening to other team's offers. I'm sure as a 6th round pick he can afford to up his pay, but who at this point thinks he'll do that until he has to?

meangene
06-16-2009, 06:50 AM
Good post. If the draft picks are parlayed into a player then I'd be okay with it. I'd hate to see us get a draft pick though and not have any benefit to the current roster for this season.

I agree. We are probably not going to trade Marshall straight up for another top receiver but could parlay draft picks received for him into a receiver. A three way deal situation.

Cito Pelon
06-16-2009, 06:50 AM
The current issue that is being debated is 'Can Marshall reasonably demand a new contract with so many risk factors hovering over him'. I would love to keep him, but it's hard not to see the front offices side with a guy that has had so many run ins with the law, thinks he can train better away from the team, and has had a pretty extensive injury history.

Most players, even 'me first' players, would do everything they could to prove they deserved the big contract this year, then once they get it it's anyone's guess as to how they play.

The fact that he is demanding a contract now is so odd in fact, that I think his injuries may be more serious than everyone thinks and he's looking for some money because he fears his playing days may be short lived. Obviously I am speculating here, but it really is so odd for a player in Marshall's position to demand more money and commitment from the team.

I'd like to know exactly what was repaired in the hip. Hip injuries can be career-shortening. Was it a joint problem, tendon problem, or what?

Anybody have that info?

lex
06-16-2009, 07:15 AM
Yet another article that says the team should get rid of him for its own sake and largely ignores what we get out of him. Sorry, but it begins and ends with that. If we dont get enough, theres no need to go into everything else.

Kaylore
06-16-2009, 07:24 AM
Kliss speculates...

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_12597567

The Broncos appear intent on waiting Marshall out. Trading him would seem to be a dicey option. For starters, several other disgruntled NFL receivers who have more proven track records — Arizona's Anquan Boldin, Cincinnati's Chad Johnson and Green Bay's Donald Driver — have let it be known they are unhappy with their contracts. All are still with their respective teams.

Then there's Plaxico Burress, who in five fewer games than Marshall the past two seasons, has caught three more touchdown passes (16 to 13). Burress accidentally shot himself in the thigh last season, an incident that led to still-pending charges and his release from the Giants. He remains unsigned.

Marshall has a lengthy legal rap sheet, including a misdemeanor battery charge that is pending in an Atlanta court. He is recovering from an injured hip that wasn't surgically repaired until April 1.

I thought this was especially interesting:

Perhaps more significant, Marshall could risk forfeiting his fourth season of service — which in turn would put him another year away from un-restricted free agency — if he doesn't report by Aug. 12.

So really Marshall has a lot to lose holding out: Money, production toward a new contract, learning the offense, but most of all he would be under contract another year.

WyoLaw
06-16-2009, 07:36 AM
"I believe (with no supportive evidence) that Marshall is "rehabilitating" in Orlando (http://www.denverpost.com/topics?topic=Orlando&searchTerm=Orlando) instead of at Dove Valley because he doesn't want his hip to be examined, his health might be worse than suspected and he couldn't renegotiate."

This sentence really makes sense to me. It was my first reaction to this entire issue.

Gort
06-16-2009, 07:46 AM
It really is mind-boggling to see this bozo's antics on paper.

Most people don't even include his college arrest, either.

I'm hoping we work it out with him, but have to admit... Woody makes a strong case, here. I don't like the guy as a human being.

Marshall is a me-first, team-second kinda guy. just like Cutler. i say get rid of him for the first fair trade that comes along. let McD rebuild this team with guys like Clady and Royal who are high skill and high character. send the flava clowns on their way. McD will have the Broncos back in the playoffs soon enough, whether Marshall is on the team or not.

bronco_boi_5280
06-16-2009, 07:49 AM
Marshall is a me-first, team-second kinda guy. just like Cutler. i say get rid of him for the first fair trade that comes along. let McD rebuild this team with guys like Clady and Royal who are high skill and high character. send the flava clowns on their way. McD will have the Broncos back in the playoffs soon enough, whether Marshall is on the team or not.

Do you really believe Royal can be a #1 WR?

I mean, it's fine if so, I'm not judging that opinion. Me personally, I have concerns with his size.

Like I said in the other thread, I want wins, not necessarily nice guys. Everybody is throwing around Royal's name. But what happens if our offense is stagnant, and what happens when we go 5-11? I think tunes will begin to change.

outdoor_miner
06-16-2009, 08:11 AM
Mike Lombardi weighs in on Marshall in his "Diner Morning News:

http://beta1.nationalfootballpost.com/Diner-morning-news-the-Brandon-Marshall-saga.html

Nothing earth-shattering, but I always enjoy reading him since he worked in Denver in 2007 and for the Raiders before that.

A couple interesting quotes:

The landscape of the NFL favors the Broncos but makes Marshall bitter in his attempts to get a new deal. My sources in Denver have told me the team does not want to trade him; it would rather deal with the problem. The landscape of the NFL today favors the Broncos because even though Marshall is entering his fourth season, he will not be a free agent next year because of the uncapped year. Free agency in an uncapped year requires six years of service, which means the Broncos would hold his rights for two more years at a very favorable economic number. So in essence, the “Marshall June saga” is very similar to the Cardinals’ “Anquan Boldin April saga” -- both good players with great deals. Why would clubs want to trade those commodities?

All the complaining and screaming is not going to help Marshall receive a new deal. In fact, it shows the rest of the league that he has yet to mature. In spite of all his talent, he’s a time bomb waiting to explode -- so problems of the past never seem to go away. His actions are in full view of the NFL; in fact, many teams are probably going back to their college reports to refresh their memories of how immature Marshall was in college. Your past will never escape you, especially when you want to make heavy coin.

Marshall has seen players in Denver rob the organization of money, from Travis Henry, who came to Denver with a host of off-the-field problems he never shed, to Daryl Gardner, who did the same. The Broncos have wasted more money on marginal players with questionable talent that it’s finally made them change their ways of operation. The difference between Marshall and the Broncos is that the Broncos have seemed to learn from their past mistakes, while Marshall still has not matured.

Hulamau
06-16-2009, 08:29 AM
Pretty obvious that he's implying it as something else to blame Marshall for. I think there were a number of players there besides him...not sure why any of that makes them culpable in his murder. Maybe because it's Woody Paige.

Actually Footsteps, Marshall and his cousin (and I believe to a lesser degree Javon Walker) were said to be spraying Champagne and talking trash with some of the Gang members who are believed to have been directly associated with the trigger man.. And their actions were seen as at least part of the provocation that may have led to the shooting.

Doesn't make Marshall an accomplice to murder, by any means, just an idiot asking for trouble ... who may have found it ... and tragically to Darrent's demise

Anyway, an 'Idiot asking for Trouble' seems to be a moniker that follows Marshall wherever he goes these days.

And while I like his on field play too, I do object to his pattern of manipulative deceit.

The two-face stories to the cops and media about his women abuse . The absolute bull**** story of the McDonald's Bag issues, and his almost over the top earnestness in his press persona in contrast to all these problems he continues to get into.

That kind of split between what a guy is saying out of one side of his mouth versus what he actually does, often implies the strong likelihood of a serious personality disorder in the making.

As with any guy with such prodigious talent, he has gotten more third and fourth and tenth excuses and benefits of the doubt and more lives than a cat ... certainly far more than the average NFL player would have gotten. And that is oke and understandable. No one wants to give up on such high possibilities too hastily.

I, too, have tried to look the other way and give him a pass more often than I would have preferred in hopes he could get it all together eventually for the Broncos long term benefit.

But now, with his 'good ole buddy' kiss-fest about how much he admires McD and his system and cant wait to play for him in that dog and pony show he was pulling just two weeks ago and to now see him demanding a trade after playing these insincere press games again, I've just about lost any last thread of trust and hope I've had for the guy.

He gets this one last chance in my book for redemption and to get his head out of his ass and get into Dove Valley BEFORE Camp work hard, prove his hip and dedication to the TEAM are sound, and then sign the new contract Bowlen is dangling in front of him once he has proven his hip works at a high enough level.

If not, and he keeps on being a distraction as the team moves forward and needs to really buckle down and gel during camp, then **** him and the donkey he rides out of town on!

TonyR
06-16-2009, 09:25 AM
Mike Lombardi weighs in on Marshall in his "Diner Morning News:


Good find. This should wake some people up and shut some people up. But it probably won't.

Popps
06-16-2009, 09:37 AM
I'd like to know exactly what was repaired in the hip. Hip injuries can be career-shortening. Was it a joint problem, tendon problem, or what?

Anybody have that info?

Another point worth considering.

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/eticket/20071128/photos/etick_w_boinjury02_310.jpg

Again, if you're the Broncos front office... this is a very difficult situation.

rastaman
06-16-2009, 11:01 AM
Sure the Broncos can keep an unhappy BMarsh on the roster for the next two or three years (whatever), but what do the Broncos get in return as far as performance from Marshall? Marshall still has the option of coming into camp disgruntled and pissed and play half-azz.

Instead of breaking tackles or attempting to break tackles after receptions...BMarsh starts to go down with arm tackles! Hey why not, it will cut down on punishment and wear and tear; and save his body. Will McD bench BMarsh for not wanting break tackles! Boy imagine having an unhappy "Benched" emotionally un-stabled BMarsh on your hands for the 2009 season. Last time I checked, ya still gotta pay BMarsh his full salary in 2009 even if Marshall looses his starting position.

Of course this will only further piss off the fans who only wanted to keep Brandon on the team just to prove they agreed with management to show Brandon who's the boss.

Boy that will go over really well---won't it? Why should Brandon play with reckless abandon in 2009 and risk further injuries when he's under paid!!! Marshall will merely show up go thru the motions to make sure he collects his $2.2 million salary in 2009 and stay as injury free as possible for future big contract payday with another team.

All BMarsh needs to do is show his talent every now and then to show other teams, but still take plays off to show his unhappeness with his contract. That's how BMarsh can get out of Denver. By under performing and allowing his stats to decrease.....teams will offer less for Brandon. Can't demand 1st & 2nd rnd picks for trading Brandon then. Denver needs to trade him NOW!, before his value goes down.

Teams will still offer Marshall a behavior ladden contract--but more on the level of the top 10 WR's in the league. Something Denver could have done as well.

Point is, carefull what you wish for when you talk about "Forcing" BMarsh to play out his contract. You just could be opeing up "PANDOR's BOX".

Beantown Bronco
06-16-2009, 11:07 AM
By under performing and allowing his stats to decrease.....teams will offer less for Brandon. Can't demand 1st & 2nd rnd picks for trading Brandon then. Denver needs to trade him NOW!, before his value goes down.

All they have to do is tender him "high" at $2.7 or so million for next year and the other team will have no choice. They would have to pony up a 1st and 3rd according to the league RFA rules.

Popps
06-16-2009, 11:35 AM
All they have to do is tender him "high" at $2.7 or so million for next year and the other team will have no choice. They would have to pony up a 1st and 3rd according to the league RFA rules.


If that's true, I wonder why we're not?

Beantown Bronco
06-16-2009, 11:37 AM
If that's true, I wonder why we're not?

Not what?

Tombstone RJ
06-16-2009, 11:43 AM
Pretty obvious that he's implying it as something else to blame Marshall for. I think there were a number of players there besides him...not sure why any of that makes them culpable in his murder. Maybe because it's Woody Paige.

I don't think Woody implys that at all. I think Woody is painting a picture of a guy who is always around trouble. He always seems to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I'm not a big Paige fan, but your a moron.

TonyR
06-16-2009, 11:56 AM
Marshall still has the option of coming into camp disgruntled and pissed and play half-azz.


Sure he can but he'll reduce his value and ability to get a large contract somewhere else.

Spider
06-16-2009, 02:01 PM
Do you really believe Royal can be a #1 WR?

I mean, it's fine if so, I'm not judging that opinion. Me personally, I have concerns with his size.

Like I said in the other thread, I want wins, not necessarily nice guys. Everybody is throwing around Royal's name. But what happens if our offense is stagnant, and what happens when we go 5-11? I think tunes will begin to change.

I know this was not aimed at me , but I have to agree with dip**** ....... Royal can be , and in alot of cases should have been the #1 last year , the way he got off the LOS and ran crisp routes , for a rookie thats unheard of ...... Marvin Harrison was a little bastard also .........