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Hulamau
06-15-2009, 05:59 AM
Again partly a rehash of the post minicamp video comments, but a few other quotes as well.

Competition heats up for defensive starting spots
Lindsay H. Jones, The Denver Post


Broncos coach Josh McDaniels may have settled on a starting quarterback during his three-day mandatory minicamp, but the team will head into training camp next month with open competition at a number of positions.

Let the battle continue, especially at defensive line positions, outside linebacker and running back.

"It'll be an interesting training camp for us because we've got a lot of good football players at the same positions, and those guys understand their roles in terms of battling for spots and the playing time that they're going to try to earn," McDaniels said.

"We're looking forward to that, and there were a lot of battles we couldn't really figure out in the spring because we don't have pads on. A lot of things to figure out, but we're looking forward to it."

Outside linebacker is expected to be one of the more interesting competitions because most, if not all, of the players fighting for playing time are playing the position for the first time. Converted defensive linemen Tim Crowder and Elvis Dumervil and rookie Robert Ayers each spent significant time rotating in with the first-team defense throughout the weekend.

"I think a lot of them were foreign to the position, but not quite anymore," McDaniels said.

"I think we're going to see a tremendous amount of improvement from that group from the beginning of August until our first game of the season in September and then throughout the year."

Pressure situations.

The team spent much of Sunday's two-hour practice working on late-game scenarios with the first-team offense, led by quarterback Kyle Orton, trying to drive the length of the field repeatedly against the first-team defense.

The goal, McDaniels said, was for players to experience a range of situations, from being backed up at their own 1-yard line to having to run onto the field to attempt a field goal without any timeouts remaining.

"We put a lot of pressure on the defense and the offense to know some different situations that we put into those drives, and that's really how close games in this league are won," McDaniels said. "Most of them are determined under seven points, and if you can win those one or two situations, you have a chance to win the game."

Veteran receiver Jabar Gaffney said the team will ultimately benefit from those drills once the season starts.

"It was certainly our best work of the weekend, so that's good to go out on a positive note," Gaffney said. "We were able to get stuff done, and we can actually see that when everybody does their job, we can be a pretty good offense."

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http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_12590988

BroncoInSkinland
06-15-2009, 06:17 AM
Outside linebacker is expected to be one of the more interesting competitions because most, if not all, of the players fighting for playing time are playing the position for the first time. Converted defensive linemen Tim Crowder and Elvis Dumervil and rookie Robert Ayers each spent significant time rotating in with the first-team defense throughout the weekend.

Kind of a reverse indicator of something Popps posted here, that Ayers probably had time at DE since he only rotated to OLB. Once again, I think that is good news, I would much rather see Ayers at DE assuming the coaching staff feels he is up to that position. Does anyone have any news about the UDFA's on the line?

cutthemdown
06-15-2009, 09:01 AM
Kind of a reverse indicator of something Popps posted here, that Ayers probably had time at DE since he only rotated to OLB. Once again, I think that is good news, I would much rather see Ayers at DE assuming the coaching staff feels he is up to that position. Does anyone have any news about the UDFA's on the line?

I like having Mcbean and Peterson play the ends because they are bigger. Peterson I think a tad underated and for sure should have started over Engleburger. What the Broncos liked about Englecrapper I will never understand.

Ayers I think if he can learn OLB makes us even bigger. If it doesn't work out Broncos can always go smaller move Ayers to DE etc. But I think its smart to try the bigger way first. Broncos need more size to wear down offenses into the 4th quarter.

As someone who played football a little as a kid I can tell you even at that level a guy being bigger then you really wears you out over 4 quarters.

Man-Goblin
06-15-2009, 09:04 AM
What other players in the league rotate between DE and OLB in a 3-4? I honestly don't know if it is a common practice or not.

TheReverend
06-15-2009, 09:34 AM
I like having Mcbean and Peterson play the ends because they are bigger. Peterson I think a tad underated and for sure should have started over Engleburger. What the Broncos liked about Englecrapper I will never understand.

Ayers I think if he can learn OLB makes us even bigger. If it doesn't work out Broncos can always go smaller move Ayers to DE etc. But I think its smart to try the bigger way first. Broncos need more size to wear down offenses into the 4th quarter.

As someone who played football a little as a kid I can tell you even at that level a guy being bigger then you really wears you out over 4 quarters.

I get what you're saying, but I think you meant to over-power the offense at the LOS? Otherwise, the bigger defenses are the ones that wear down more towards the ends of games, especially when teams can keep those big bodies on the field for sustained drives (SB 32 for example)

cutthemdown
06-15-2009, 09:45 AM
I get what you're saying, but I think you meant to over-power the offense at the LOS? Otherwise, the bigger defenses are the ones that wear down more towards the ends of games, especially when teams can keep those big bodies on the field for sustained drives (SB 32 for example)

I mean all of that. I don't think Broncos have gotten so much bigger they will be like Gilbert Browns are anything, they aren't super fatties, just a little bigger and more physical is what I'm looking for.

Obviously if they don't get teams off the field they will be tired by 4th qaurter whether you are small or big. But yeah I mean biggers guys to control the trenches a little more.

If we add to that better special teams, and also run the ball more I think we could cut down on the points scored against us by about 50 this yr.

cutthemdown
06-15-2009, 09:47 AM
What other players in the league rotate between DE and OLB in a 3-4? I honestly don't know if it is a common practice or not.

Most teams rotate a guy like Seymore from Dend to DT. But Broncos will have a hybrid type defense this yr IMO because they won't have the complete 3-4 tools.

e-mac
06-15-2009, 10:22 AM
Justin Smith and Adalius Thomas

BroncoMan4ever
06-15-2009, 10:22 AM
What other players in the league rotate between DE and OLB in a 3-4? I honestly don't know if it is a common practice or not.

isn't that primarily what Suggs is doing in Baltimore? He is more of an OLB pass rusher than a DE, but he does come down to the line at DE on running downs on occasion.

TheReverend
06-15-2009, 10:33 AM
isn't that primarily what Suggs is doing in Baltimore? He is more of an OLB pass rusher than a DE, but he does come down to the line at DE on running downs on occasion.

But when he comes down to DE they're in a 4-3 look. He's asking about players that shift from 3-4 OLB to 3-4 DE.

BroncoMan4ever
06-15-2009, 11:36 AM
But when he comes down to DE they're in a 4-3 look. He's asking about players that shift from 3-4 OLB to 3-4 DE.

thank you for the clarification. i always assumed that was how we would use Ayers. because i don't think he fits the mold of a 3-4 end at all.

epicSocialism4tw
06-15-2009, 11:43 AM
Yay! All of that grade-A talent McD brought in should amp up the competition like nobodys business!

These guys will have no problem making up for McD's continued destruction of the offense!

TheReverend
06-15-2009, 11:48 AM
In all fairness, OP did not include the FULL title of the article.

It should read:

"Competition heating up on D to lukewarm"

listopencil
06-15-2009, 01:40 PM
Yay! All of that grade-A talent McD brought in should amp up the competition like nobodys business!

These guys will have no problem making up for McD's continued destruction of the offense!


Yeah! And maybe it will only take a couple of years to make up for Shanny's shameful decade of neglect on the D side!

TheReverend
06-15-2009, 01:48 PM
Yeah! And maybe it will only take a couple of years to make up for Shanny's shameful decade of neglect on the D side!

Ignorant post

BroncoMan4ever
06-15-2009, 03:32 PM
with Crowder making some noise as a potential 3-4 OLB starter for us, if Nolan makes that happen and Crowder does well, i will proclaim Nolan a Defensive Minded God.

just him being noticed shows immediately what good coaches can do with players. 2 years and he did nothing, but give the guy some good coaches and within a couple months he is getting notice as a possible starter.

yes i know it is only June, but this is actually more hype than Crowder has generated in his entire career thus far, so it is worth notice.

TheReverend
06-15-2009, 03:33 PM
with Crowder making some noise as a potential 3-4 OLB starter for us, if Nolan makes that happen and Crowder does well, i will proclaim Nolan a Defensive Minded God.

just him being noticed shows immediately what good coaches can do with players. 2 years and he did nothing, but give the guy some good coaches and within a couple months he is getting notice as a possible starter.

yes i know it is only June, but this is actually more hype than Crowder has generated in his entire career thus far, so it is worth notice.

???

He had the best rookie season of that whole group.

Br0nc0Buster
06-15-2009, 03:49 PM
???

He had the best rookie season of that whole group.

and played like 3 games last year, deactivated for the likes of Engleberger and Jarvis Moss

Popps
06-15-2009, 03:55 PM
with Crowder making some noise as a potential 3-4 OLB starter for us, if Nolan makes that happen and Crowder does well, i will proclaim Nolan a Defensive Minded God.

just him being noticed shows immediately what good coaches can do with players. 2 years and he did nothing, but give the guy some good coaches and within a couple months he is getting notice as a possible starter.

yes i know it is only June, but this is actually more hype than Crowder has generated in his entire career thus far, so it is worth notice.


Again, to me... Moss/Crowder simply making the roster would be a shocking, positive turn of events. If those guys turn into even solid back-ups/ST contributors, it's a huge win, considering how horrible they've been thus far.

Keep in mind, these guys couldn't beat out John Engelberger for a starting job. (Who still hasn't found a job, as far as I know.)

If Crowder/Moss turn out to be in any way productive, it's just another glaring example of how inept the prior administration was with their defensive talent.

eddie mac
06-15-2009, 04:35 PM
and played like 3 games last year, deactivated for the likes of Engleberger and Jarvis Moss

Was that performance related, scheme related or coach decision making related???

Either way Crowder's got a clean slate like everyone else and it's up to him to stake his claim.

listopencil
06-15-2009, 07:08 PM
Blah blah blah


Ignorant poster.

NYBronco
06-15-2009, 07:19 PM
In all fairness, OP did not include the FULL title of the article.

It should read:

"Competition heating up on D to lukewarm"

That would be a measurable improvement from the Shanahan years.

cabronco
06-15-2009, 07:23 PM
with Crowder making some noise as a potential 3-4 OLB starter for us, if Nolan makes that happen and Crowder does well, i will proclaim Nolan a Defensive Minded God.

just him being noticed shows immediately what good coaches can do with players. 2 years and he did nothing, but give the guy some good coaches and within a couple months he is getting notice as a possible starter.

yes i know it is only June, but this is actually more hype than Crowder has generated in his entire career thus far, so it is worth notice.


I was going to comment on the same thing. Even hearing the name Crowder mentioned without the word cut or released following it, is a Big plus in my book ! Good news.

TheReverend
06-15-2009, 07:30 PM
That would be a measurable improvement from the Shanahan years.

Ignorant statement, but feel free to continue.

NYBronco
06-15-2009, 07:34 PM
Ignorant statement, but feel free to continue.

Your a born leader.

broncosteven
06-15-2009, 08:04 PM
Here is my favorite quote, next to "I'll take care of it" of course:

"I think a lot of them were foreign to the position, but not quite anymore," McDaniels said.

That is kinda like calling a French Tourist an American after he changed planes in NY.

watermock
06-15-2009, 08:10 PM
If we add to that better special teams, and also run the ball more I think we could cut down on the points scored against us by about 50 this yr.

Just wow. Ya think?