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TheReverend
06-13-2009, 10:04 PM
Quite possibly, I've been trying to look at this off-season completely wrong.

McDaniels could be the next Andy Kaufman.

Maybe the guy is so intelligent, that he actually realizes the full scope of his position isn't just to coach the Denver Broncos, but instead as an entertainer in the entertainment industry... even if on occasion, it's in the same mold as "Tony Clifton".

I understand at this point there's probably an epidemic of people reading this rolling their eyes, but let's look at his moves.

-Says a big reason he took the job was to work with Jay Cutler, then trades him shortly after a very publicized photo of him holding a Cutler jersey with that clever grin.

-In an interview states what a great job the Goodmans have been doing, then after the senior bowl, they're gone.

-90+% of FA moves involve our 2ndary and RBs with injury histories

-Trades our 2010 1st for an early 2nd in a weak draft to get a 5'9 CB in an era where larger, leaping receivers are in vogue, especially in this division.

-Tip off that McD loves ****ing with us: Article comes out saying he's not in any rush to name a starting QB. The next day he names a starting QB. Probably read it and said, "I know what I'm gonna do tomorrow now, lol!"

What I'm trying to say is, this guy could be the next Lombardi taking the game to entirely new heights and expectations of entertainment.

Right now he's all:
http://thumbnails.hulu.com/4/710/10070_512x288_manicured__DLmNx6JKq0C7Fg7ojWo9Sg.jp g

and we're all:
http://www.debttailor.com/confused.jpg

and then he's all:
http://megashlong.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/20071120-kaufman1.jpg

and we're all:
http://www.howardgoodall.co.uk/singing/PeopleLaughing.jpg

As you can see by my documented photos... this punchline will be epic.

Punisher
06-13-2009, 10:07 PM
ROFL!!!
This thread is a epic win

BroncoDoug
06-13-2009, 10:17 PM
http://svrefed.xfuz.com/images/spock_win.jpg

OBF1
06-13-2009, 10:18 PM
He is a genius far beyond your limited intellect.

TheReverend
06-13-2009, 10:25 PM
He is a genius far beyond your limited intellect.

This is becoming apparent.

Never before have I felt inclined to an acknowledge a genetic superior.

My world is now upside down.

footstepsfrom#27
06-13-2009, 10:56 PM
He's a racist.

AZBroncomaniac
06-13-2009, 11:27 PM
I love this thread. I will love the futile responses to try and justify these moves even more.

OrangeRising
06-13-2009, 11:58 PM
Well, one thing is certain; McDaniels is a real scream, but maybe more a horror show than a comedy.

I screamed when he took Moreno in the first, shuddered when he traded away Denvers' 2010 1st for Smith, moaned when he trashed the 3rd round for a blocking TE few, if any (including Quinn) thought would even be drafted, and cried when he kicked out our franchise QB.

A real scream, yes sir.

SouthStndJunkie
06-14-2009, 01:20 AM
Beautifully done.

BroncoBuff
06-14-2009, 01:57 AM
Well, one thing is certain; McDaniels is a real scream, but maybe more a horror show than a comedy.

I screamed when he took Moreno in the first, shuddered when he traded away Denvers' 2010 1st for Smith, moaned when he trashed the 3rd round for a blocking TE few, if any (including Quinn) thought would even be drafted, and cried when he kicked out our franchise QB.

A real scream, yes sir.

http://riverdaughter.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/the-scream.jpeg

BroncoBuff
06-14-2009, 01:57 AM
He is a genius far beyond your limited intellect.

I'll admit it ... I'm confused hmmm...

meangene
06-14-2009, 03:56 AM
-Says a big reason he took the job was to work with Jay Cutler, then trades him shortly after a very publicized photo of him holding a Cutler jersey with that clever grin.

Cutler has been hashed and rehashed. Everyone has an opinion at to who said and did what, who is at fault, etc. I believe he was looking forward to working with Cutler and was approached about Cassell who was a known quantity to him in his offense. The trade discussions never passed the initial inquiry stage and Cutler used it as an excuse to try to get traded or a new deal which is what he wanted all along. The way Cutler acted during the whole incident makes me glad he is gone - he is not, and will never be, a leader. I don't want a b**** leading my team.

-In an interview states what a great job the Goodmans have been doing, then after the senior bowl, they're gone.

This, as I understand it, was a situation where there was a power struggle between the Goodmans and Xanders. Bowlen made this decision as one or the other was going to have to go. Doesn't mean the Goodmans didn't do a good job as McD said.

-90+% of FA moves involve our 2ndary and RBs with injury histories.

We brought in a ton of high character, quality football players at a relatively low price overall. So far, one player had an injury issue and was cut. I don't think it cost us a dime because the contract protected us in the event he did not recover from the surgery he had. Who among the free agents has an injury issue right now?

-Trades our 2010 1st for an early 2nd in a weak draft to get a 5'9 CB in an era where larger, leaping receivers are in vogue, especially in this division.

Actually, there was just an article about how the more successful young receivers in recent years are smaller guys (Jackson, Royal). Smith is short but not small (almost 200 pounds) and is a great leaper and ballhawk. He will be terrific covering guys in the slot where more and more teams are focusing their passing games. Smith has not played a down yet in the NFL so how about giving the move a chance before automatically assuming it was a mistake?

-Tip off that McD loves ****ing with us: Article comes out saying he's not in any rush to name a starting QB. The next day he names a starting QB. Probably read it and said, "I know what I'm gonna do tomorrow now, lol!"


The article said he was in no hurry - not a single quote from McD about a timetable. If Orton has distinguished himself enough to be named the starter we should be glad! It means more reps for him with the first team and more time to develop chemistry with a new team and a new offense before the season starts.

In some ways, I don't think you are grasping the bigger picture here. McDaniels is changing the culture and attitude of this football team. He is developing a tougher, higher character, more team-oriented football team. In the long run this will lead to a system which makes this team successful year after year. Sure, there will be some growing pains and some tough decisions will have to be made. I'm glad he has the stones to make those decisons. How about you give it a chance to play out before immediately assuming every move is stupid and doomed to failure?

NYBronco
06-14-2009, 04:11 AM
All I need to put McD's short tenure into perspective is Shanahan's Maurice Clarett bumbling and remember the defensive circus parade of clowns.

For me McD is welcome to reshape the Broncos on both sides of the ball where Shanahan failed and failed and failed.

broncswin
06-14-2009, 08:20 AM
nonsense

footstepsfrom#27
06-14-2009, 08:41 AM
I'll admit it ... I'm confused hmmm...
Whose that nutjob in your avatar getting ready to punch himself in the gonads? ;D

elsid13
06-14-2009, 08:44 AM
Whose that nutjob in your avatar getting ready to punch himself in the gonads? ;D

In Washington state, the mentally retarded that have been found guilty of molesting redwoods have to sterilize themselves.

Rock Chalk
06-14-2009, 09:44 AM
COuldnt you pick a comic that was at least funny?

footstepsfrom#27
06-14-2009, 09:58 AM
All I need to put McD's short tenure into perspective is Shanahan's Maurice Clarett bumbling and remember the defensive circus parade of clowns.

For me McD is welcome to reshape the Broncos on both sides of the ball where Shanahan failed and failed and failed.
Really? That's how you frame McD so far?...by referencing Maurice Clarett? That's utterly amazing to me...and that pales in comparison to the current mess.

Shanahan didn't fail on both sides of the ball. It's true they dropped off scoring-wise breaking in a young QB and new players but you can hardly classify what McD has to do on the offensive side of the ball as "reshaping" since the entire offense minus Cutler and Moreno he owes to Shanahan. If you call dumping the QB and drafting one player "reshaping"...I guess I see why all you remember from the Shanahan era is Maurice Clarett.

UberBroncoMan
06-14-2009, 10:02 AM
All hail McDaniels! The most influential life ever lived.

SureShot
06-14-2009, 10:52 AM
Too bad this season hes going to be all.....

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/061102/173516__andy_kaufman_l.jpg


And I'm going to be all.....


http://frankschilling.typepad.com/my_weblog/images/2007/07/13/throw_out_tv.jpg


I guess now that I think about it its not very funny.

AZBroncomaniac
06-14-2009, 10:56 AM
Cutler has been hashed and rehashed. Everyone has an opinion at to who said and did what, who is at fault, etc. I believe he was looking forward to working with Cutler and was approached about Cassell who was a known quantity to him in his offense. The trade discussions never passed the initial inquiry stage and Cutler used it as an excuse to try to get traded or a new deal which is what he wanted all along. The way Cutler acted during the whole incident makes me glad he is gone - he is not, and will never be, a leader. I don't want a b**** leading my team.



This, as I understand it, was a situation where there was a power struggle between the Goodmans and Xanders. Bowlen made this decision as one or the other was going to have to go. Doesn't mean the Goodmans didn't do a good job as McD said.



We brought in a ton of high character, quality football players at a relatively low price overall. So far, one player had an injury issue and was cut. I don't think it cost us a dime because the contract protected us in the event he did not recover from the surgery he had. Who among the free agents has an injury issue right now?



Actually, there was just an article about how the more successful young receivers in recent years are smaller guys (Jackson, Royal). Smith is short but not small (almost 200 pounds) and is a great leaper and ballhawk. He will be terrific covering guys in the slot where more and more teams are focusing their passing games. Smith has not played a down yet in the NFL so how about giving the move a chance before automatically assuming it was a mistake?



The article said he was in no hurry - not a single quote from McD about a timetable. If Orton has distinguished himself enough to be named the starter we should be glad! It means more reps for him with the first team and more time to develop chemistry with a new team and a new offense before the season starts.

In some ways, I don't think you are grasping the bigger picture here. McDaniels is changing the culture and attitude of this football team. He is developing a tougher, higher character, more team-oriented football team. In the long run this will lead to a system which makes this team successful year after year. Sure, there will be some growing pains and some tough decisions will have to be made. I'm glad he has the stones to make those decisons. How about you give it a chance to play out before immediately assuming every move is stupid and doomed to failure?



And, there's what I was waiting for. Even funnier than the original post!

epicSocialism4tw
06-14-2009, 11:02 AM
Every move has been stupid...except for one: Brian Dawkins.

Other than that, this offseason has been a lesson in bad management.

meangene
06-14-2009, 12:37 PM
And, there's what I was waiting for. Even funnier than the original post!

And, I was waiting with eager anticipation for this insightful analysis. :thumbs:

Kaylore
06-14-2009, 01:02 PM
Why isn't this thread stickied?

TheReverend
06-14-2009, 01:30 PM
Why isn't this thread stickied?

Clearly TJ hates white people.

I'm submitting this evidence to broncofan7 to continue his crusade.

Requiem
06-14-2009, 02:22 PM
I think McDaniels is a coach.

DenverBrit
06-14-2009, 02:39 PM
Cutler has been hashed and rehashed. Everyone has an opinion at to who said and did what, who is at fault, etc. I believe he was looking forward to working with Cutler and was approached about Cassell who was a known quantity to him in his offense. The trade discussions never passed the initial inquiry stage and Cutler used it as an excuse to try to get traded or a new deal which is what he wanted all along. The way Cutler acted during the whole incident makes me glad he is gone - he is not, and will never be, a leader. I don't want a b**** leading my team.



This, as I understand it, was a situation where there was a power struggle between the Goodmans and Xanders. Bowlen made this decision as one or the other was going to have to go. Doesn't mean the Goodmans didn't do a good job as McD said.



We brought in a ton of high character, quality football players at a relatively low price overall. So far, one player had an injury issue and was cut. I don't think it cost us a dime because the contract protected us in the event he did not recover from the surgery he had. Who among the free agents has an injury issue right now?



Actually, there was just an article about how the more successful young receivers in recent years are smaller guys (Jackson, Royal). Smith is short but not small (almost 200 pounds) and is a great leaper and ballhawk. He will be terrific covering guys in the slot where more and more teams are focusing their passing games. Smith has not played a down yet in the NFL so how about giving the move a chance before automatically assuming it was a mistake?



The article said he was in no hurry - not a single quote from McD about a timetable. If Orton has distinguished himself enough to be named the starter we should be glad! It means more reps for him with the first team and more time to develop chemistry with a new team and a new offense before the season starts.

In some ways, I don't think you are grasping the bigger picture here. McDaniels is changing the culture and attitude of this football team. He is developing a tougher, higher character, more team-oriented football team. In the long run this will lead to a system which makes this team successful year after year. Sure, there will be some growing pains and some tough decisions will have to be made. I'm glad he has the stones to make those decisons. How about you give it a chance to play out before immediately assuming every move is stupid and doomed to failure?

Excellent!! :thumbsup:

elsid13
06-14-2009, 02:43 PM
Clearly TJ hates white people.

I'm submitting this evidence to broncofan7 to continue his crusade.

I believe the word "crusade" is racist and demeaning to those born non-European decent. I think you need alter your word to "jihad", which a far kinder term.

Popps
06-14-2009, 02:46 PM
McDaniels is changing the culture and attitude of this football team. He is developing a tougher, higher character, more team-oriented football team. In the long run this will lead to a system which makes this team successful year after year. Sure, there will be some growing pains and some tough decisions will have to be made. I'm glad he has the stones to make those decisons. How about you give it a chance to play out before immediately assuming every move is stupid and doomed to failure?

Fantastic round-up.

The Steelers and Patriots are competitive year after year because they've used a complete team-building formula, and they sign/draft player to fit that formula. It's very apparent that this is what McDaniels is trying to implement in Denver.

NYBronco
06-14-2009, 03:11 PM
Really? That's how you frame McD so far?...by referencing Maurice Clarett? That's utterly amazing to me...and that pales in comparison to the current mess.

Shanahan didn't fail on both sides of the ball. It's true they dropped off scoring-wise breaking in a young QB and new players but you can hardly classify what McD has to do on the offensive side of the ball as "reshaping" since the entire offense minus Cutler and Moreno he owes to Shanahan. If you call dumping the QB and drafting one player "reshaping"...I guess I see why all you remember from the Shanahan era is Maurice Clarett.


My "framing" of McD has more to do with his inexperience as compared to Shanahan's vast years of experience as the "Mastermind" and his consistent ability to underperform. McD at this point deserves the benefit of the doubt in my mind before I begin my chicken little criticism.

Shanahan failed to keep his RB's healthy. Last year is a very good example. Until Marshal and Royal came along Shanahan failed to get good receiver's on board knowing his core that won the SB'S a decade ago were on their last legs in the NFL.

McD's reshaping has to do with many areas and the biggest happens to be on the defensive side where a new D coordinator has been brought in to do what Shanahan refused to do and eventually lost his written in stone job.

Cutler I believe had alterior motives in the drama he created. McD just followed Jay's lead and handed him the keys out of town.

elsid13
06-14-2009, 03:15 PM
My "framing" of McD has more to do with his inexperience as compared to Shanahan's vast years of experience as the "Mastermind" and his consistent ability to underperform. McD at this point deserves the benefit of the doubt in my mind before I begin my chicken little criticism.

Shanahan failed to keep his RB's healthy. Last year is a very good example. Until Marshal and Royal came along Shanahan failed to get good receiver's on board knowing his core that won the SB'S a decade ago were on their last legs in the NFL.

McD's reshaping has to do with many areas and the biggest happens to be on the defensive side where a new D coordinator has been brought in to do what Shanahan refused to do and eventually lost his written in stone job.

Cutler I believe had alterior motives in the drama he created. McD just followed Jay's lead and handed him the keys out of town.

How did Shanahan fail to keep the running back healthy. Injuries happen on the field and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

footstepsfrom#27
06-14-2009, 03:24 PM
My "framing" of McD has more to do with his inexperience as compared to Shanahan's vast years of experience as the "Mastermind" and his consistent ability to underperform. McD at this point deserves the benefit of the doubt in my mind before I begin my chicken little criticism.

Shanahan failed to keep his RB's healthy. Last year is a very good example. Until Marshal and Royal came along Shanahan failed to get good receiver's on board knowing his core that won the SB'S a decade ago were on their last legs in the NFL.
I'm not sure what you think Mike Shanahan needed to do to keep his RB's healthy, but I'm pretty sure few people in the NFL would look at his success turning no-name RB's into thousand yard backs and make the comment that "last year was a good example". That's bunk...last year was NOT a good example...it was the ONLY example on that kind of scale that saw us start SEVEN runners in one season. So NO...that is not an example, it's an abberation. How or why you chose to use the Clarret thing to typify Shanahan's regime is a mystery...why not finding TD or Sarge instead? And BTW...Marshall and Royal didn't "come along"...they were drafted by Shanahan...who also obtained Javon Walker and before that Eddie Quitterson...though I guess you may look to blame Shanahan for what happened in those cases, you can't deny both had major talent.
McD's reshaping has to do with many areas and the biggest happens to be on the defensive side where a new D coordinator has been brought in to do what Shanahan refused to do and eventually lost his written in stone job.
No argument here...but you stated he was reshaping on both sides of the ball, and he's not. He's working with 9 of 11 starters that Mike brought in and it remains to be seen what the two he brough along can do...but you will be very hard pressed to find anyone in the NFL who thinks Orton's an upgrade, and while I like Moreno...other rookie backs have failed, so he's not a sure thing either. The point is...this is Mike's offense not Josh's, though he'll change the system of course.

NYBronco
06-14-2009, 04:33 PM
I'm not sure what you think Mike Shanahan needed to do to keep his RB's healthy, but I'm pretty sure few people in the NFL would look at his success turning no-name RB's into thousand yard backs and make the comment that "last year was a good example". That's bunk...last year was NOT a good example...it was the ONLY example on that kind of scale that saw us start SEVEN runners in one season. So NO...that is not an example, it's an abberation. How or why you chose to use the Clarret thing to typify Shanahan's regime is a mystery...why not finding TD or Sarge instead? And BTW...Marshall and Royal didn't "come along"...they were drafted by Shanahan...who also obtained Javon Walker and before that Eddie Quitterson...though I guess you may look to blame Shanahan for what happened in those cases, you can't deny both had major talent.
No argument here...but you stated he was reshaping on both sides of the ball, and he's not. He's working with 9 of 11 starters that Mike brought in and it remains to be seen what the two he brough along can do...but you will be very hard pressed to find anyone in the NFL who thinks Orton's an upgrade, and while I like Moreno...other rookie backs have failed, so he's not a sure thing either. The point is...this is Mike's offense not Josh's, though he'll change the system of course.

Sure why not blame Shanahan, McD is being blamed for Jay's immaturity.

Clarett remains a good example of Shanahan's Mastermind in his own mind mentality.

Shanahan had a problem taking his players for a walk in the park during practice sessions and may be the reason why his RB's were injury prone. But in Shanahan's defense (I use this term loosely, Mike has no idea of a defense and how to use it) he also had the knack for picking up damaged goods thinking he could overcome their physical limitations.

Marshal is quickly becoming a problem player similar to Jay. I look at Shanahan for encouraging this negative greater than the whole attitude.

oubronco
06-14-2009, 06:44 PM
Josh McDaniels - Enigma or Comic Genius?

Dumbass?

footstepsfrom#27
06-14-2009, 07:23 PM
Sure why not blame Shanahan, McD is being blamed for Jay's immaturity.
McD is being blamed for many things, most of which don't invovle Cutler.
Clarett remains a good example of Shanahan's Mastermind in his own mind mentality.
So you take the glaring exception to the rule...Maurice Clarett, and you suggest he's typical of how Shanahan developed running backs? Meanwhile...ignore all the mid to late round guys who peeled off big yardage here. Your bias is blinding you to even the most obvius truths.
Shanahan had a problem taking his players for a walk in the park during practice sessions and may be the reason why his RB's were injury prone.
So because a bunch of no-names and free agent types got injured last year..."his running backs were injury prone". And where did you get your medical degree?
But in Shanahan's defense (I use this term loosely, Mike has no idea of a defense and how to use it) he also had the knack for picking up damaged goods thinking he could overcome their physical limitations.
On that score we agree...he was a risk taker always looking for a bargain talent overlooked in the injury bin.
Marshal is quickly becoming a problem player similar to Jay. I look at Shanahan for encouraging this negative greater than the whole attitude.
That's because you're biased, unreasonable and not very objective. Marshall's playing on half as much as our teacher's pet long snapper is making. I understand you'd like him to play ten years at what a backup makes so the team can sign other players and pay them more, but players have a right to be paid what they're worth. I suppose Wiegmann's a trouble maker too eh?

Lots of players, especially stars, hold out...most return in time for camp or during camp. It's June for Pete's Sake...why have a hissy fit over a 3 day mini camp. He'd be riding a stationary bike anyway so who cares if he's here or not?

bpc
06-14-2009, 07:27 PM
To really get down to the point, what has McDaniels ever done to deserve a HC job? He's underaged, unproven, inexperienced and he hasn't won **** even as an OC.

He had the greatest offense in the league two years ago and he found a way to choke away the super bowl.

The only thing McDaniel has ever done is proven that Wes Welker and Randy Moss are REALLY REALLY good WR's and with those guys you can do just about anything on the field even with a backup QB.

Taco John
06-14-2009, 08:24 PM
I want to see him bring in Lelie just to top this sundae of and offseason with a cherry.

epicSocialism4tw
06-14-2009, 08:28 PM
I want to see him bring in Lelie just to top this sundae of and offseason with a cherry.

He could trade next seasons #1 pick for Greise.

Taco John
06-14-2009, 08:30 PM
Clarett remains a good example of Shanahan's Mastermind in his own mind mentality.



I personally still think Clarett was an acceptable risk. We took him with a compensatory pick at the end of the third round. It's like betting with the house's money. I never have a problem gambling with the house's money. And with Turner being the one pushing for it - well, I personally was all for throwing Bobby a bone. Too bad it didn't pan out.

_Oro_
06-14-2009, 08:40 PM
Speaking of McDaniels, I thought it was funny in his last Minicamp wrap at denverbroncos.com he refers to T. Brandstater as "the young quarterback".

lol

outdoor_miner
06-14-2009, 09:18 PM
He had the greatest offense in the league two years ago and he found a way to choke away the super bowl.

The only thing McDaniel has ever done is proven that Wes Welker and Randy Moss are REALLY REALLY good WR's and with those guys you can do just about anything on the field even with a backup QB.

Man - that's so over the top. He had a great two-year run as an offensive coordinator. A great run... He could have gotten a head coaching job last year, but chose to stick with New England and get one more year experience. To say that McDaniels had nothing to do with the offense's overwhelming success in New England is crazy.

Every coach has to get his first head coaching job sometime. Nobody starts off with experience. He is a bright offensive mind, and if you can't see that, you truly are looking at this situation through hate-filled eyes. Maybe he'll be great, or maybe he'll bomb as a head coach... I don't know. Whatever. I don't know why I even bother talking about this. I can't think of a single person on this board who has changed his/her position over the course of all this arguing. Every one of us is entrenched in our opinions, and **** ****-eating c*ck-suckin hot damn if anyone is going to sway us one way or the other.

OrangeRising
06-14-2009, 09:22 PM
Man - that's so over the top. He had a great two-year run as an offensive coordinator. A great run... He could have gotten a head coaching job last year, but chose to stick with New England and get one more year experience...



That has served him so well, too. He knew from the start that Cutler wasn't cut from that Patriot stock. A career back-up like Kyle Orton fits that McDaniels mold so well. It worked with Cassel, I can work my magic with anyone. You just watch.

Oh brother.

bpc
06-14-2009, 09:36 PM
Man - that's so over the top. He had a great two-year run as an offensive coordinator. A great run... He could have gotten a head coaching job last year, but chose to stick with New England and get one more year experience. To say that McDaniels had nothing to do with the offense's overwhelming success in New England is crazy.

Every coach has to get his first head coaching job sometime. Nobody starts off with experience. He is a bright offensive mind, and if you can't see that, you truly are looking at this situation through hate-filled eyes. Maybe he'll be great, or maybe he'll bomb as a head coach... I don't know. Whatever. I don't know why I even bother talking about this. I can't think of a single person on this board who has changed his/her position over the course of all this arguing. Every one of us is entrenched in our opinions, and **** ****-eating c*ck-suckin hot damn if anyone is going to sway us one way or the other.

How many of those 1st time coaches ever succeed? Hell Mike Shanahan didn't even succeed his first time around.

That means in reality he's most likely warming the seat for the next coach who's coming in and we just allowed him to ruin our relationship with a franchise type QB and pushed him out the door.

95% this deal blows up in our face for a long time to come.

epicSocialism4tw
06-14-2009, 09:39 PM
How many of those 1st time coaches ever succeed? Hell Mike Shanahan didn't even succeed his first time around.

That means in reality he's most likely warming the seat for the next coach who's coming in and we just allowed him to ruin our relationship with a franchise type QB and pushed him out the door.

95% this deal blows up in our face for a long time to come.

Yeah...the odds are pretty good that the McD experiment results in a Broncos franchise in rebuilding mode. He pretty much forced a rebuild when he walked in the door and the likelyhood is that he leaves with the materials still piled up in the lot.

dreasher54
06-14-2009, 09:42 PM
Thread of the century. I love it.
:thanku:

broncosteven
06-15-2009, 07:10 PM
Clearly TJ hates white people.

I'm submitting this evidence to broncofan7 to continue his crusade.

I didn't know you were white.

TheReverend
06-15-2009, 07:11 PM
I didn't know you were white.

Must... not... make... jokes... that... might... get... construed... as... racist!

broncosteven
06-15-2009, 07:14 PM
Must... not... make... jokes... that... might... get... construed... as... racist!

Honkey

Odysseus
06-16-2009, 02:22 PM
Why is there no mention of Brandon Marshall in this thread?

elsid13
06-16-2009, 02:56 PM
Why is there no mention of Brandon Marshall in this thread?

Because TJ banned all mention of minorities. ;D

gyldenlove
06-16-2009, 04:00 PM
Fantastic round-up.

The Steelers and Patriots are competitive year after year because they've used a complete team-building formula, and they sign/draft player to fit that formula. It's very apparent that this is what McDaniels is trying to implement in Denver.

I would say they are competitive year after year because they have very good coaches and make solid decisions in free agency and draft.

broncosteven
06-16-2009, 05:27 PM
I would say they are competitive year after year because they have very good coaches and make solid decisions in free agency and draft.

I think they make good decisions in the draft because they always seem to have 2 1st round picks every year. They are stealing teams future picks. Having 2 1st round picks increases the likelyhood of having good players/drafts.

I think their coaches execute Belly's system well, I am not sure they are all HC material.

I want to like Belly for being a student of the game and knowing it's history. I don't like that he condones cheating, especially when he had the best talent in the league. I don't like that his OC during Spygate is now our HC.

maher_tyler
06-16-2009, 06:29 PM
Fantastic round-up.

The Steelers and Patriots are competitive year after year because they've used a complete team-building formula, and they sign/draft player to fit that formula. It's very apparent that this is what McDaniels is trying to implement in Denver.

Who knew!!

Northman
06-16-2009, 06:59 PM
Until i can see how the team performs overall this year its hard to say right now. My biggest expectation is too see better teamwork, better discipline on the field, and better production from the players overall. Even if we go 0-16 i want to see some kind of improvement. Obviously, im expecting at least 9 wins this year as im holding McDaniels totally responsible for dismantling a team that (on paper) didnt need much work. But he wants to do it his way so im cool with that as long as we win. If we fail miserably or show no improvement whatsoever than im wont have very many flattering things to say about him at season's end.

Atlas
06-16-2009, 07:05 PM
It's easy to see why McDaniels doesn't want Marshall on the Pats. He is a trouble maker. The Pats don't put up with that. He in Denver we expect the Patriots to be filled with winners, not Whiners! McDaniels is going to get rid of all the black people that have had any speeding tickets and domestic strife. Not saying that their bad people or bad player but they aren't Patriots, Why when McDainiels was at Patriots North for like 4 years in a row they had the most white players than any other team in the NFL. Denver Patriots are going to be the same way. We are going to be SMART!!!! WE are going to be TOUGH!!!! We will get players gifted enough to play more than one position. now granted they aren't going to be the fastest team in the NFL, but that doesn't matter dammit!! THIS IS PATRIOT FOOTBALL!!!!! Now lets go get out there and cheer them on to an undefeated season!!!!!! :coach: who is with me???

Northman
06-16-2009, 07:09 PM
It's easy to see why McDaniels doesn't want Marshall on the Pats. He is a trouble maker. The Pats don't put up with that. He in Denver we expect the Patriots to be filled with winners, not Whiners! McDaniels is going to get rid of all the black people that have had any speeding tickets and domestic strife. Not saying that their bad people or bad player but they aren't Patriots, Why when McDainiels was at Patriots North for like 4 years in a row they had the most white players than any other team in the NFL. Denver Patriots are going to be the same way. We are going to be SMART!!!! WE are going to be TOUGH!!!! We will get players gifted enough to play more than one position. now granted they aren't going to be the fastest team in the NFL, but that doesn't matter dammit!! THIS IS PATRIOT FOOTBALL!!!!! Now lets go get out there and cheer them on to an undefeated season!!!!!! :coach: who is with me???

Your really not trying to make this a race thing are you Gonzo?

OrangeRising
06-16-2009, 07:18 PM
Until i can see how the team performs overall this year its hard to say right now. My biggest expectation is too see better teamwork, better discipline on the field, and better production from the players overall. Even if we go 0-16 i want to see some kind of improvement. Obviously, im expecting at least 9 wins this year as im holding McDaniels totally responsible for dismantling a team that (on paper) didnt need much work. But he wants to do it his way so im cool with that as long as we win. If we fail miserably or show no improvement whatsoever than im wont have very many flattering things to say about him at season's end.

I could be wrong here, but if we go 0-16 the word 'improvement' isn't likely to be included in the synopsis.

'Housecleaning', 'summarily fired' and 'entire staff' might be the notable words to look for in the summary though.

Northman
06-16-2009, 07:31 PM
I could be wrong here, but if we go 0-16 the word 'improvement' isn't likely to be included in the synopsis.

'Housecleaning', 'summarily fired' and 'entire staff' might be the notable words to look for in the summary though.

Understood. But when i said that i meant a improvement by the players themselves. I attribute it much to when the backups came in last year on defense (although the end result was the same) there was much more fire and execution no their part than with the starters. So in other words, if we lose every game but we only lose by 2 points as opposed to 30 i would consider that a bit of improvement.

watermock
06-16-2009, 07:47 PM
Yeah...the odds are pretty good that the McD experiment results in a Broncos franchise in rebuilding mode. He pretty much forced a rebuild when he walked in the door and the likelyhood is that he leaves with the materials still piled up in the lot.

What materials?

http://iconicphotos.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/highway-of-death.jpeg

Broncos4tw
06-16-2009, 08:07 PM
In some ways, I don't think you are grasping the bigger picture here. McDaniels is changing the culture and attitude of this football team. He is developing a tougher, higher character, more team-oriented football team. In the long run this will lead to a system which makes this team successful year after year.

You do not know this, you are jumping to conclusions. You are basing this on what? The Patriots? Newsflash: The real brilliance of that team is still there as the HC.

Cutler wasn't a tough team player? Man.. before this fiasco, there were very few that had a negative comment about Cutler. After McD gets here, he is suddenly a no-skill hack, crybaby loser. Astounding.

Gotta replace that crybaby no-talent placekicker too.

I don't want a team of Mister Rogers with tough moral fiber who suck ass on the field. I want a winning team. I don't want thugs, but we don't have thugs. Most players except the few exceptional, are smug about their talent if they have it. I loathe T Owens. Marshall is nothing like him. I wish he would get his crap together, but I still badly want him on our team.

Why is our team suddenly so frugal? They could have solved the Cutler issue with money. They can solve the Marshall issue with money. And I'm not talking about stupid deals, but holy crap... a new player who hasn't taken a damn snap is making what.. 20 mil guaranteed? And our own franchise QB was making a fraction of that?

So, we will have a bunch of low-paid mediocre players, who have really good values... a team where no franchise player will want to be... but be damned, we'll play.. and lose.. as a team. Repeatedly. Year after year. Wow.. that sounds frickin' AWESOME! :yayaya:

WE ARE NOT THE G-DAMN PATRIOTS!!! Holy crap people.. if you love their "run onto the field as one omg we are so awesome" group, go root for their sorry asses. I want a winning team that has solid players, and a HC that isn't a kid and a pushover. So far, he hasn't shown me a damn thing. People are giving this guy so much credit... a dude who hasn't won ONE game for our city. Every move is hailed as amazing and brilliant. I don't see it.

I think we are going to get our asses handed to us repeatedly, until either the coach is gone, or realizes Denver isn't NE.

Atlas
06-16-2009, 08:07 PM
What materials?

http://iconicphotos.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/highway-of-death.jpeg

I have been on that road. It's the hiway from Kuwait to Iraq. The Hi-Way of Death.

Many of those vehicles are still out there from the first gulf war. Amazing stuff.

watermock
06-16-2009, 08:23 PM
I hope he develops Tourette Syndrome so he involuntarily blurts out the truth.

http://thumbnails.hulu.com/4/710/10070_512x288_manicured__DLmNx6JKq0C7Fg7ojWo9Sg.jp g

TheReverend
06-16-2009, 08:38 PM
I hope he develops Tourette Syndrome so he involuntarily blurts out the truth.

http://thumbnails.hulu.com/4/710/10070_512x288_manicured__DLmNx6JKq0C7Fg7ojWo9Sg.jp g

LOL