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watermock
06-12-2009, 10:28 PM
Iran's Ahmadinejad leads election


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Iranian women line up to vote Friday at a polling station at the Masoumeh shrine in Qom, Iran, in the presidential


TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran's Interior Ministry has released partial results showing President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad leading with nearly 70% of votes counted so far in Friday's election. Senior ministry official Kamran Daneshjoo says Ahmadinejad had 68.8% of the more than 10 million ballots counted so far. His main reformist challenger Mir Hossein Mousavi had 28.8%.
The government has not yet released the total number of voters.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's main challenger, Former Prime Minister Mir Hossein Mousavi, also claimed victory at a news conference earlier in the day.

Mousavi said only that he was "definitely the winner of the election" based on "all indications from all over Iran."

Iranians packed polling stations Friday from boutique-lined streets in north Tehran to conservative bastions in the countryside with a choice that's left the nation divided and on edge: keeping hard-line President Ahmadinejad in power or electing Mousavi, a reformist who favors greater freedoms and improved ties with the United States.


Turnout was massive and could break records. Crowds formed quickly at many voting sites in areas considered both strongholds for Ahmadinejad and Mousavi, who served as prime minister in the 1980s and has become the surprise hero of a powerful youth-driven movement. At several polling stations in Tehran, mothers held their young children in their arms as they waited in long lines.

"I hope to defeat Ahmadinejad today," said Mahnaz Mottaghi, 23, after casting her ballot at a mosque in central Tehran.

Outside the same polling station, 29-year-old Abbas Rezai said he, his wife and his sister-in-law all voted for Ahmadinejad.

"We will have him as a president for another term, for sure," he said.

The fiery, month-long campaign unleashed passions and tensions. The mass rallies, polished campaign slogans, savvy Internet outreach and televised debates more closely resembled Western elections than the scripted campaigns in most other Middle Eastern countries.

President Obama said Iran's "robust debate" leading up to elections shows change is possible there, and it could boost U.S. efforts to engage Tehran's leadership.

In a sign of the bitterness from the campaign, the Interior Ministry — which oversees voting — said all rallies or political gatherings would be banned until after the announcement of results, expected Saturday.

In the only violent episode to be reported, a campaign organizer for Mousavi said about a dozen Ahmadinejad supporters attacked one of his campaign offices in Tehran with tear gas.

No one was injured, and police quickly dispersed the group, said Saeed Shariati, head of Mousavi's youth cyber campaign. There was not independent confirmation of the attack.

The cyber campaign ran several websites and Facebook pages supporting Mousavi. Authorities blocked at least three of them Friday.

The highly charged atmosphere brought blistering recriminations against Ahmadinejad — whom Mousavi said was moving Iran to a "dictatorship" — and a stunning warning from the ruling establishment. The political chief of the powerful Revolutionary Guard warned Wednesday it would crush any "revolution" against the Islamic system by Mousavi's "green movement" — the signature color of his campaign.

The outcome will not sharply alter Iran's main policies or sway high-level decisions, such as possible talks with Washington. Those crucial policies are all directly controlled by the ruling clerics headed by the unelected Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

But Mousavi has offered hopes of more freedoms at home. If elected, he could try to end crackdowns on liberal media and bloggers and push for Iran to embrace Obama's offer of dialogue after a nearly 30-year diplomatic freeze. He favors talks with world powers over Iran's nuclear program, which the United States and others fear is aimed at making weapons. Iran says it only seeks reactors for electricity.

Iranians around the world also voted. In Dubai, home to an estimated 200,000 Iranians, the streets around the polling station at the Iranian consulate were jammed with voters overwhelmingly favoring Mousavi.

"He is our Obama," said Maliki Zadehamid, a 39-year-old exporter.

A top election official predicted turnout could surpass the nearly 80% in the election 12 years ago that brought President Mohammad Khatami to power and began the pro-reform movement.

A strong turnout could boost Mousavi. He is counting on under-30s, who account for about a third of Iran's 46.2 million eligible voters.

In Tehran's affluent northern districts — strongly backing Mousavi — voters waited for up to an hour to cast ballots. Mahdi Hosseini, a university student, blasted the firebrand Ahmadinejad for "degrading Iran's image in the eyes of the world."

Ahmadinejad brought Iran international condemnation by repeatedly questioning the Holocaust.

In the conservative city of Qom, home to seminaries and shrines, hundreds of clerics and women dressed in long black robes waited to vote in a long line outside a mosque. Ahmadinejad's campaign has heavily courted his base of working-class families and tradition-minded voters with promises of more government aid and resistance to Western pressures over Iran's nuclear ambitions.

Mousavi's rallies in Tehran drew tens of thousands of cheering supporters, who later spent their nights shouting anti-Ahmadinejad slogans and dancing to Persian pop songs on the streets.

He hammered Ahmadinejad for mismanaging the economy, burdened by double-digit inflation and chronic unemployment despite vast oil and gas riches.

Mousavi's stunning rise also has been helped by his popular and charismatic wife, former university dean Zahra Rahnavard, and their joint calls for more rights and political clout for women. Iranian women work in nearly all levels of society — including as parliament members. But they face legal restrictions on issues such as inheritance and court testimony, where their say is considered only half as credible as a man's.

For the first time in Iran, the forces of the Web were fully harnessed in an election showdown. That catapulted Mousavi, a 67-year-old former prime minister from the 1980s, into a political star.

On Friday, dozens of Iranians using Twitter posted messages including one that said: "Keep my fingers crossed for green wave to win."

In a possible complication for Mousavi's backers, Iran's mobile phone text messaging system was down. Many Iranians, especially young voters, frequently use text messages to spread election information quickly to friends and family.

"Unfortunately, some of my representatives were blocked from entering polling stations and SMS (text messaging) is also down, which is against the law," Mousavi said after voting, according to his campaign website. "We should not be fearful about the free flow of information, and I urge officials to observe the law."

Telecommunication Ministry spokesman Davood Zareian confirmed to The Associated Press that the text message system has been down since late Wednesday.

"We are investigating," he said.

There were no reports of serious problems at the polls. But a top Mousavi aide, Ali Reza Beheshti, said some polling stations in northwestern and southern provinces ran out of ballots, claiming it was a "deliberate attempt by the government to keep people from voting."

Iran's elections are considered generally fair, but the country does not allow international monitors. The ruling clerics, however, put their stamp on the elections from the very beginning by deciding who can run. More than 470 people sought to join the presidential race, but only Ahmadinejad and three rivals were cleared.

During the 2005 election, there were some allegations of vote rigging from losers, but the claims were never investigated.

After casting his vote in the white ballot box, the Supreme Leader Khamenei urged Iranians to remain calm.

"As far as I see and hear, passion and motivation is very high among people," Khamenei told reporters. "If some intend to create tension, this will harm people," he added.

After voting at a mosque on Friday in eastern Tehran, Ahmadinejad commented on the high turnout.

Interior Minister Sadeq Mahsouli said reports to election officials indicate an "unprecedented turnout will be recorded in the country's election history," according to the official IRNA news agency.

Mousavi voted with his wife at a mosque in Tehran's southern outskirts.

In the southern city of Shiraz, people waited for hours with temperatures nudging 100 degrees. About 500 people stood in line to vote at the Shahchragh shrine, the burial site of a Shiite saint.

In the southeastern city of Zahedan — where a bomb blamed on Sunni militants killed at least 25 people at a Shiite mosque last month — there were no reports of tensions. The bombed mosque was used as a polling station.

The race will go to a runoff on June 19 if no candidate receives a simple majority of more than 50% of the votes cast. Much depends on how many votes are siphoned off by the two other candidates: conservative former Revolutionary Guard commander Mohsen Rezaei and moderate former parliament speaker Mahdi Karroubi.

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cutthemdown
06-13-2009, 12:46 AM
no way the incumbent loses. It has never happened in Iran from what I read.

Because the incumbent can control the state TV and Media, the Guard, The Military, it's very hard to beat him.

Doesn't matter anyways because it's the Assatolah that calls the shots.

Bronco Bob
06-13-2009, 01:54 AM
no way the incumbent loses. It has never happened in Iran from what I read.

Because the incumbent can control the state TV and Media, the Guard, The Military, it's very hard to beat him.

Doesn't matter anyways because it's the Assatolah that calls the shots.

Had to have happened at least once. Otherwise Amadinneroll couldn't
have defeated the last guy who was president of Iran to become the
current president.

mhgaffney
06-13-2009, 11:28 AM
Yes, it can happen.

It did happen back in 1997 -- when a liberal cleric named Khatami won an upset presidential victory. Khatami called for dialogue with the West -- and was supported by the very same progressive segments of Iranian society which were responsible for previous progressive episodes in Iranian history - -such as the election of the populist president Mossadegh, whom the US CIA over threw in 1953. Over oil.

Iran is a complex country -- with with many power centers. This is why electoral victory usually depends on how the various factions array themselves. Lack of unity among the more progressive forces split the vote and made the emergence of Ahmedinejad possible the first time.

Khatami's election in 1997 resulted from disenchantment with the revolution installed by Khomeini in 1979. Iran has a young population that looks to the west - and generally wants a better life. All of the things we want here in the US.

The election of Khatami united all of these progressive forces. The result was an eyeball to eyeball confrontation with the conservative mullahs. There were massive street demonstrations in support of Khatami and positive change.

However, there was increasing violence as the mullahs refused to give up any of their power. The nation came within a whisker of civil war in 1998 -- at which time Khatami basically backed off his reform policy -- to avert a bloodbath.

The mullahs thereafter consolidated their power again -- and have ruled the nation ever since.

But do not underestimate the progressive forces in Iran. A majority wants a secular government and better relations with the West.

Ironically - US aggression in the region has served to keep the conservative forces in power. Despite Obama's recent speech to Islam -- the policy launched under Bush of staging and supporting terrorism INSIDE Iran has continued.

If any nation did to the USA what we are doing to Iran -- there would be hysterical posts on this board to bomb them back into the stone age. So where is the awareness of ongoing US covert war against other nations?

Most of the posters in here are clueless.

cutthemdown
06-13-2009, 11:42 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/12/zakaria.iran.elections/index.html

CNN) -- Voters turned out in heavy numbers Friday in Iran's election. Some lined up before polls opened, and others waited more than three hours under the hot sun to cast their ballots. Reformist Mir Hossein Moussavi and two other candidates are challenging President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, blamed by many Iranians for the nation's four-year economic turmoil and known in the West for his vehement rhetoric regarding Iran's nuclear program and condemnation of Israel.
Officials had to extend the polling time from 10 hours to 12 hours to accommodate the massive lines of voters. Kamran Daneshjoo, head of the elections office, called the turnout unprecedented. Moussavi is the main challenger among the three candidates vying to replace Ahmadinejad.
The others are former parliament speaker and reformist Mehdi Karrubi and hardliner Mohsen Rezaie, the former head of Iran's Revolutionary Guards. Ahmadinejad still has staunch support in Iran's rural areas. CNN spoke with Fareed Zakaria about the significance of the elections.

And on a historical front, if Ahmadinejad were to lose, it would be the first time an incumbent president has lost an election in the Iranian Republic's history. We will have to wait and see what happens.









Are you guys sure about an incumbent having been defeated? I thought the reformist that have won, won when existing president had died or stepped down.


This article was why I said that but I have to admit I don't really know.

cutthemdown
06-13-2009, 11:51 AM
I agree with Gaff though if America plays our cards right we can wait out the old revolutionaries and the younger generation in Iran will assert itself. We don't need war with Iran.

When we leave Iraq will be key. The power struggle will be between the Saudis and the Iranians. Hopefully Iran and the Shia can come to some sort of peace with Saudi Sunni factions and not kill each other too much.

Both societies very strict and religious so you would think some sort of compromise could be found. I mean who really would want to live killing each other all the time? It can't be the way people want to live.

I hope Netenyahou decides to stop the settlements but I bet he won't.

Obama talked a good game he is going to have to risk re-election to do what he thinks is right. If he wants to pressure Israel the only way to do it is by cutting off financial aid and military aid. Also all USA has to do is say we won't veto a UN resolution sanctioning Israel. Without America they have no pull whatsoever.

But can Obama win in 4 yrs with no Jewish support. He plays hardball with them he may find millions less in money to run his next campaing.

I love it baby? Politics is as hot as ever in the USA and the world. It's the most intersting reality show if you ask me.

The big wildcard IMO are countries like Russia and China who may be ready to serve up N Korea in exchange for some USA compromises on Israel and Iran.

cutthemdown
06-13-2009, 11:54 AM
I've known some Iranians and all of them said living there stunk. They have moral police that ruin every kids good time.

Could you imagine having to live like them? That place is heading for a huge revolution if you ask me. IMO they most likely will need all the weapons they are builidng for their own people some day.

No way people will want to live like that forever. The internet is really changing the world. Kids in oppressive countries are getting information they never could before.

I agree with Gaff that it's time to put away the bombs and come at them by showing we really do what all people to have more freedom.

Only way to do that is to get Palestinians some dignity.

cutthemdown
06-13-2009, 12:19 PM
It's pretty much looking like the election was a joke.

barryr
06-13-2009, 01:29 PM
I wouldn't have expected Iran to have legit elections. But no Jimmy Carter to see the elections were fair? What a shame.

Rohirrim
06-13-2009, 02:24 PM
Hopefully, the uprising continues to grow until it's big enough to drag down Ahmadjihad and the mullahs.

cutthemdown
06-13-2009, 02:31 PM
Hopefully, the uprising continues to grow until it's big enough to drag down Ahmadjihad and the mullahs.

I doubt it. It's just so far into the modern era it's really hard for revolutions to work. The govts armies just too strong.

With so much support among the Republican Guard for the Mullahs and the president I see the uprising being allowed to go on a few more days, then they crack down and put it down.

It would be something though if the uprising got out of control.

Let's face it the avg Iranian probably thinks pursuing nukes a bad bad idea.