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HEAV
06-12-2009, 02:26 PM
He may well do, but IMHO he's a ****ing idiot. Has he not paid attention to anything at Dove Valley over the past 2-3 months.

Player power is finished in Denver regardless of how good the player is.

I'd be worried to give him big money. I'd rather trade for Anquan Boldin and pay him then give millions to Marshall. The guy scares me off the field.

footstepsfrom#27
06-12-2009, 02:33 PM
He may well do, but IMHO he's a ****ing idiot. Has he not paid attention to anything at Dove Valley over the past 2-3 months.

Player power is finished in Denver regardless of how good the player is.
Don't be silly. Winning is the key to everything and that's what Bowlen knows. If McD wins he can get away with playing hardball, but who thinks he wins without players? Unless you can prove year in and year out that you can pull off great drafts and create a team with so much depth that you don't care who leaves, stars will still weild power. Even if they get traded...they eventually get what they want...to get paid.

Someone make a case for why Andre Goodman is worth more than twice as much as Marshall in annual salary and deserves a $10 million winfall in guaranteed money. I really want to hear this...

kamakazi_kal
06-12-2009, 02:33 PM
Further to this... (apologies if already posted, didn't see it)

Coach McDaniels on Marshall
June 12th, 2009 - 1:18pm by Gray Caldwell
Head Coach Josh McDaniels addressed the media concerning Brandon Marshall’s absence from today’s first practice of a mandatory mini-camp. Here is a brief look at some of his comments.

On Marshall’s absence…
“That’s a personal decision that Brandon’s made, and we’ll do what the league rules allow us to do for a player that misses a mandatory activity. The rest of that is really internal. I’ve spoken to him and his agent, and that’s the decision that he’s making.”

On if Marshall will be fined…
“We’ll do what we think is the right thing to do.”

On if he knows the reason for Marshall’s absence…
“Sure, and we’re not going to go into detail. I’m not going to talk about that. That’s between the Broncos and Brandon and his agent, and when that’s resolved we’ll look forward to having him on the field.”

On whether he expects Marshall on Saturday or Sunday…
“He’ll be here today. We’re having a meeting later this afternoon, and again it’s something that we’re going to take care of and handle in house. He’ll be here later this afternoon but he was not here this morning.”

On whether Marshall is falling behind…
“Well there’s 40 practices before our first game starting in August, he’s a smart player and I’m sure he’ll be able to learn whatever he needs to learn to be able to play successfully if he’s here at training camp, so I’m not concerned about that.”

Zach Eisendrath will post the normal practice blog soon.

-Gray Caldwell, DenverBroncos.com

http://blog.denverbroncos.com/denverbroncos/coach-mcdaniels-on-marshall/

In other words "I ain't sayin Sh(t"

If Marshall goes public with this it goes against tha patriot way and he'll be gone.

HEAV
06-12-2009, 02:34 PM
Interesting stuff Heav. So all things considered, what is your thoughts about Brandon Marshall and the middle? Do you think my observation here is out to lunch?

Just based on my memory.... I can't remember him going over the middle that much.

But has far as dropped passes go, yes he drops balls. But I also think he drops balls becuase he's thinking about making moves before the ball hits his hands.

Plus the numb hand didn't help. He dropped a easy TD in the Pro-Bowl that's the last pass I remember him drop'n.

As far as a tough guy... he likes to run around and away from contact. Which makes great highlight tape and I love to watch.

I do feel that he avoids the big hit.

kamakazi_kal
06-12-2009, 02:35 PM
I'd be worried to give him big money. I'd rather trade for Anquan Boldin and pay him then give millions to Marshall. The guy scares me off the field.

man, boldin ain't got such a good hip either and he's been chirpin for a few year about holding out.

vancejohnson82
06-12-2009, 02:39 PM
I talked it over with my fellow mod Hotrod, and we think it was an honest mistake and that vance truly had it coming. Vance is despicable... I mean did you see how he lashed out at me and Apa in survivor?!?!?

are you kidding me Rev??

You two completely had your way with me in Survivor...it was awful and I was constipated for a week

I would have been better off just taking a cruise with you two (no balcony attachd to the room though)...at least that would have been somewhat romantic

Gort
06-12-2009, 02:39 PM
wasn't it Marshall and his buddies who picked the fight at the New Year's Eve party that led to D Will's death? ...you would think some people would learn to appreciate what they have instead of what they don't.

shut up. play hard. earn yourself a new contract. treat women with respect. stop being an asshat. that's pretty much the advice i'd give him. red foreman would just call him a dumbass.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o92/quipfan/red_foreman.jpg

eddie mac
06-12-2009, 02:40 PM
Don't be silly. Winning is the key to everything and that's what Bowlen knows. If McD wins he can get away with playing hardball, but who thinks he wins without players? Unless you can prove year in and year out that you can pull off great drafts and create a team with so much depth that you don't care who leaves, stars will still weild power. Even if they get traded...they eventually get what they want...to get paid.

Someone make a case for why Andre Goodman is worth more than twice as much as Marshall in annual salary and deserves a $10 million winfall in guaranteed money. I really want to hear this...

Footsteps prior to this season I'd have agreed with that but tell me how far Cutler got with his stay away tactics???

Chicago that's where.

Remember comments made by the likes of Gaffney, Jordan and Paxton when they came in here. No-one is bigger than the team and no-one is indispensible.

Marshall has dropped the ****ing ball here once again and I hope it does not cost him a one way ticket out of town because I dont want to lose another star.

As for Goodman, the reason he got $10m is simple, he was out of contract and Denver wanted him. Marshall is still under contract and without the CBA in 2010 also has restrictions in movement, i.e RFA status.

mr007
06-12-2009, 02:41 PM
2 years ago, Brandon rarely dropped a pass. It was last year, specifically, that he started dropping passes. Some people may attribute that to his arm still healing etc. I kind of think it has to do with him focusing so much on either showboating, or props, or other stuff in the play (purely speculation here).

I think Marshall is going to become a great receiver. He's still young, a bit of a diva, and from my perceptions, isn't where he needs to be mentally quite yet. I think we actually saw a mental drop-off from 08 to 09.

That said, I've been a Marshall supporter for a while now, I just want to see him live up to his obvious potential. I definitely think he deserves to get paid, but I'm on the cusp of whether we take care of it now.

Taco John
06-12-2009, 02:42 PM
I noticed that Bowlen is now the point man on these meetings. Interesting.

TheReverend
06-12-2009, 02:43 PM
are you kidding me Rev??

You two completely had your way with me in Survivor...it was awful and I was constipated for a week

I would have been better off just taking a cruise with you two (no balcony attachd to the room though)...at least that would have been somewhat romantic

If you're bleeding, and you go swimming in the barrier reef, you deserve to be eaten by a shark.

Take that however you want :)

SonOfLe-loLang
06-12-2009, 02:43 PM
I just hope they work this out. Everyone gets onthe same page and give him a fair deal.

Gort
06-12-2009, 02:44 PM
To be honest I'm getting totally sick of these players. From next season I couldn't give a **** who's wearing our jerseys as long as they give 100% win or lose.

i'm with you. the change in philosophy here from a Shanny regime to a NE regime is long overdue. shut up. play hard. be good citizens. is that too much to ask in exchange for multi-million $ contracts?

the McD haters don't understand that the most important thing McD is doing is changing the culture at Dove Valley.

TheReverend
06-12-2009, 02:45 PM
Footsteps prior to this season I'd have agreed with that but tell me how far Cutler got with his stay away tactics???

Chicago that's where.

Remember comments made by the likes of Gaffney, Jordan and Paxton when they came in here. No-one is bigger than the team and no-one is indispensible.

Marshall has dropped the ****ing ball here once again and I hope it does not cost him a one way ticket out of town because I dont want to lose another star.

As for Goodman, the reason he got $10m is simple, he was out of contract and Denver wanted him. Marshall is still under contract and without the CBA in 2010 also has restrictions in movement, i.e RFA status.

But what's important is whether the FO's approach and actions are leading to "What's best for the team".

I say no, but that's open to interpretation... at least until Sept-Dec

Hotrod
06-12-2009, 02:47 PM
Originally Posted by Sacked by Croel
I hope your entire nuclear family gets blindsided by a semi in an intersection this weekend, their automobile ignites in a raging fire and they all burn to death. Closed casket funerals for all of them.

I love ethugs that talk **** like this behind a screen. My guess is this little bitch would approach most of us on his knees begging to suck cock.

TheReverend
06-12-2009, 02:48 PM
Originally Posted by Sacked by Croel
I hope your entire nuclear family gets blindsided by a semi in an intersection this weekend, their automobile ignites in a raging fire and they all burn to death. Closed casket funerals for all of them.

I love ethugs that talk **** like this behind a screen. My guess is this little b**** would approach most of us on his knees begging to suck cock.

Don't talk about my man like that!

HEAV
06-12-2009, 02:49 PM
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Some nice highlights of him showing a few middle catches, but more so his abilties to avoid the big hit.

He's not Heinz Ward, he's not going to earn his money across the middle.

vancejohnson82
06-12-2009, 02:50 PM
If you're bleeding, and you go swimming in the barrier reef, you deserve to be eaten by a shark.

Take that however you want :)

I'm going to write that down and recite it to my first born

Along with, "If invite a bunch of clowns over how do you expect them not to bring the circus?"

kamakazi_kal
06-12-2009, 02:50 PM
I noticed that Bowlen is now the point man on these meetings. Interesting.

serious ..... where the F is xanders hiding?

mr007
06-12-2009, 02:51 PM
Originally Posted by Sacked by Croel

I love ethugs that talk **** like this behind a screen. My guess is this little b**** would approach most of us on his knees begging to suck cock.

And it's ok to say yes and laugh at the gay bastard! Wait, because it's your cock and.... right?

footstepsfrom#27
06-12-2009, 02:52 PM
Footsteps prior to this season I'd have agreed with that but tell me how far Cutler got with his stay away tactics???

Chicago that's where.
And this bothers him...why? On the flip side, we're now discussing the possibility that a guy with no spleen beats out a guy who couldn't beat out Griese. So yeah...I see how Bowlen/McDaniels have ultimate power to dictate to every player from now on what they want. ::)
Remember comments made by the likes of Gaffney, Jordan and Paxton when they came in here. No-one is bigger than the team and no-one is indispensible.
That's easy to say when you haven't lost a game yet. Wonder if the collar around Josh's neck gets a bit tighter if they go 4-12 this year and Eddie Royal winds up on the IR. Bowlen put up with Shanahan until it became clear it wasn't working. No coach survives unless he produces and when you start peeling away stars on the team for draft picks, sooner or later the odds say you'll lose in that deal.
Marshall has dropped the ****ing ball here once again and I hope it does not cost him a one way ticket out of town because I dont want to lose another star.

As for Goodman, the reason he got $10m is simple, he was out of contract and Denver wanted him. Marshall is still under contract and without the CBA in 2010 also has restrictions in movement, i.e RFA status.
"He was out of a contract and Denver wanted him" does not explain why he's worth $5 million a year to Marshall's $2 million...does it? Goodman's had one decent year and he's 30. Marshall's a star at 25 and he's worth half as much? Even if you buy the court cases reduces his leverage, getting rid of him is only going to cause more fan unrest and less confidence in what they're trying to do, not only in the fan base but among the players themselves.

The rest of them have contracts too.

HEAV
06-12-2009, 02:53 PM
man, boldin ain't got such a good hip either and he's been chirpin for a few year about holding out.

True, but he hasn't held out and his police blotter is cleaner than B-Marsh.

TheReverend
06-12-2009, 02:54 PM
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Some nice highlights of him showing a few middle catches, but more so his abilties to avoid the big hit.

He's not Heinz Ward, he's not going to earn his money across the middle.

Video makes me want to cry.

footstepsfrom#27
06-12-2009, 02:54 PM
serious ..... where the F is xanders hiding?
Brian is taking dictation from Pat...something about how the team tried caling Brandon Marshall and has phone records. :sunshine:

Rulon Velvet Jones
06-12-2009, 02:55 PM
You can say cock on here?

HEAV
06-12-2009, 02:56 PM
I noticed that Bowlen is now the point man on these meetings. Interesting.

Well it is his money. Maybe he wants to get a feel for what (amount) Marshall is looking for. But still can't cave in and give him a deal now.

Then Casey witl cry and retire and others will try to squeeze the piggy bank.

HEAV
06-12-2009, 02:57 PM
You can say cock on here?

Well you just did!:D

Plus you have it as your adopt-a-Bronco!

kamakazi_kal
06-12-2009, 02:57 PM
i'm with you. the change in philosophy here from a Shanny regime to a NE regime is long overdue. shut up. play hard. be good citizens. is that too much to ask in exchange for multi-million $ contracts?

the McD haters don't understand that the most important thing McD is doing is changing the culture at Dove Valley.

a culture change to what? average players at every position?
man that didn't work for the Lions for the last few years.

You have to have some game changers ...... have too.

Punisher
06-12-2009, 03:02 PM
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Some nice highlights of him showing a few middle catches, but more so his abilties to avoid the big hit.

He's not Heinz Ward, he's not going to earn his money across the middle.

Its a shame you'll never here Cutler to Marshall no more in Denver ::)

SonOfLe-loLang
06-12-2009, 03:05 PM
Enough of this Orton couldnt beat out Griese bull****. By the same token, Cutler couldnt beat out plummer as he wasnt starting from Go his rookie year. Enough

outdoor_miner
06-12-2009, 03:07 PM
"He was out of a contract and Denver wanted him" does not explain why he's worth $5 million a year to Marshall's $2 million...does it? Goodman's had one decent year and he's 30. Marshall's a star at 25 and he's worth half as much? Even if you buy the court cases reduces his leverage, getting rid of him is only going to cause more fan unrest and less confidence in what they're trying to do, not only in the fan base but among the players themselves.

You are assuming that this is all that Marshall is asking for. Do you really think Marshall would accept Goodman-like money? If he would, I'm guessing the Broncos would sign up for that pretty quick.

However, it is more likely that Marshall is looking for super-star money, and the Broncos are thinking something more reasonable... Of course, we have no idea since there has not been a single report yet as to what Marshall wants, or what the Broncos are willing to give.

I'm wondering if the medical situation has a lot to do with this. Perhaps Marshall's camp feels like the medical staff put his career (and future earnings) in jeopardy through the mis-diagnosis last year, and now they want something in return.

cutler_to_marshall
06-12-2009, 03:09 PM
Its a shame you'll never here Cutler to Marshall no more in Denver ::)

hahaha you will everytime i post. I think my screen name is very close to becoming antiquated.

Beantown Bronco
06-12-2009, 03:10 PM
Its a shame you'll never here Cutler to Marshall no more in Denver ::)

Unless Marshall is playing DB the next time Chicago comes to town.

TheReverend
06-12-2009, 03:12 PM
Enough of this Orton couldnt beat out Griese bull****. By the same token, Cutler couldnt beat out plummer as he wasnt starting from Go his rookie year. Enough

Uhh...
A. Cutler did beat out Plummer
B. Orton was not a rookie and was below Brian on the depth chart 2 consecutive seasons.

eddie mac
06-12-2009, 03:13 PM
And this bothers him...why? On the flip side, we're now discussing the possibility that a guy with no spleen beats out a guy who couldn't beat out Griese. So yeah...I see how Bowlen/McDaniels have ultimate power to dictate to every player from now on what they want. ::)

That's easy to say when you haven't lost a game yet. Wonder if the collar around Josh's neck gets a bit tighter if they go 4-12 this year and Eddie Royal winds up on the IR. Bowlen put up with Shanahan until it became clear it wasn't working. No coach survives unless he produces and when you start peeling away stars on the team for draft picks, sooner or later the odds say you'll lose in that deal.

"He was out of a contract and Denver wanted him" does not explain why he's worth $5 million a year to Marshall's $2 million...does it? Goodman's had one decent year and he's 30. Marshall's a star at 25 and he's worth half as much? Even if you buy the court cases reduces his leverage, getting rid of him is only going to cause more fan unrest and less confidence in what they're trying to do, not only in the fan base but among the players themselves.
The rest of them have contracts too.

Goodman's deal is actually $4m per season, only $5m if he plays 75% of the snaps but that's beside the point.

Where have I said Marshall is not worth more than Goodman contract wise???

I just dont think now is the time for him to stay away, huff and bitch about the franchise (especially publicly) in the hope of a multi million $$ deal given the fact

1. He's still injured and not able to practice

2. He's been in trouble once again this offseason whether he was charged or not.

Come in, show up, learn the offense, catch 20 balls through week 2 and we'll give you $40m over 5-6 years.

This team's been through enough this offseason without another star acting up.

Hotrod
06-12-2009, 03:15 PM
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TheReverend
06-12-2009, 03:18 PM
Goodman's deal is actually $4m per season, only $5m if he plays 75% of the snaps but that's beside the point.

Where have I said Marshall is not worth more than Goodman contract wise???

I just dont think now is the time for him to stay away, huff and b**** about the franchise (especially publicly) in the hope of a multi million $$ deal given the fact

1. He's still injured and not able to practice

2. He's been in trouble once again this offseason whether he was charged or not.

Come in, show up, learn the offense, catch 20 balls through week 2 and we'll give you $40m over 5-6 years.

This team's been through enough this offseason without another star acting up.

Now's not the time for him to stay away for us fans.

For him, it's probably the best time.

1. He and his agent have to be concerned that his stats will go down. Whether it's from scheme or for QB play or lack of chemistry... whatever, that's besides the point. Contracts ARE dominantly about production and stats. Intangibles get rewarded as well, as do team first players, but the guy catching over 100 footballs has his services competed for more than the guy that just makes solid downfield blocks and provides good lockerroom chemistry (Nate Jackson, for example).

2. The organization is in turmoil and makes his presence even more valuable to the team.

bronco militia
06-12-2009, 03:19 PM
Uhh...
A. Cutler did beat out Plummer
B. Orton was not a rookie and was below Brian on the depth chart 2 consecutive seasons.

to add, Simms was Griese's backup a season or two

footstepsfrom#27
06-12-2009, 03:20 PM
You are assuming that this is all that Marshall is asking for.
I'm just pointing out tha they paid a ridiculous $5 million a year for a very average CB with one good year on his track record, so all this "he hasn't proven we can build a team around him" BS is exactly that. The fact is he is underpaid.
Do you really think Marshall would accept Goodman-like money? If he would, I'm guessing the Broncos would sign up for that pretty quick.

However, it is more likely that Marshall is looking for super-star money, and the Broncos are thinking something more reasonable... Of course, we have no idea since there has not been a single report yet as to what Marshall wants, or what the Broncos are willing to give.
Yep...he's probably looking for superstar money, just like Trevor Pryce was. He's gone too. If you want players to play for Super Bowls you have to have some stars, and eventually you have to also pay them like stars.
I'm wondering if the medical situation has a lot to do with this. Perhaps Marshall's camp feels like the medical staff put his career (and future earnings) in jeopardy through the mis-diagnosis last year, and now they want something in return.
Maybe so, but I doubt showing up and riding a stationary bike is going to make a difference. I think it's simple; he wants to get paid like a guy who catches 100 passes a year, and he should be paid like that. What's to prevent writing something into his contract that covers them if he's suspended? It just seems silly that it's come to this in a year when everything else seems to have also gone to **** as well. I'm just saying they need to find a way to work this out and not alienate this guy just to prove some stupid point about whose in control.

TheReverend
06-12-2009, 03:21 PM
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TheReverend
06-12-2009, 03:25 PM
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Miss I.
06-12-2009, 03:25 PM
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footstepsfrom#27
06-12-2009, 03:27 PM
This team's been through enough this offseason without another star acting up.
But another star IS acting up...if you consider missing minicamp acting up that is. The question is...what are they going to do about it? Slap him down and try to prove how tough they are? How long can you carry that in today's NFL? If they don't find a way to start achieving some better rapport with these players, they're going to have others in the same basket soon enough. The Broncos are spending money on FA's who haven't proven anything, so why shouldn't they take care of the guys who have been here all along and doing something on the field?

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06-12-2009, 03:29 PM
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eddie mac
06-12-2009, 03:33 PM
But another star IS acting up...if you consider missing minicamp acting up that is. The question is...what are they going to do about it? Slap him down and try to prove how tough they are? How long can you carry that in today's NFL? If they don't find a way to start achieving some better repoir with these players, they're going to have others in the same basket soon enough. The Broncos are spending money on FA's who haven't proven anything, so why shouldn't they take care of the guys who have been here all along and doing something on the field?

I actually disagree with that. The only 2 players that got any decent money from Denver were 2 proven vets, Dawkins and Goodman. I actually think Denver spent very wisely in a very average FA pool. I think Marshall will get his contract by the way, just do not like the way he's going about it and if he has a problem with Denver's training staff then bring it to McDaniels' attention, dont go public with it ffs.

So in other words stop blaming everyone but himself, take responsibility for his actions and show consistently he's worth the money he's asking for both on and off the field, because what good is a $50m WR to us if he's missing games???

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06-12-2009, 03:35 PM
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Hotrod
06-12-2009, 03:36 PM
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outdoor_miner
06-12-2009, 03:39 PM
I think it's simple; he wants to get paid like a guy who catches 100 passes a year, and he should be paid like that. What's to prevent writing something into his contract that covers them if he's suspended? It just seems silly that it's come to this in a year when everything else seems to have also gone to **** as well.I'm just saying they need to find a way to work this out and not alienate this guy just to prove some stupid point about whose in control.

I totally agree with you here. If this turns into a prolonged battle of wills... Well, I don't know if I can handle that after Cutler. Despite my support for the FO, that whole situation ranks up really high on my list of least favorite memories as a Bronco fan.

I'm just waiting for some information as to what is going on with Marshall, and how far apart the two sides are.

Hotrod
06-12-2009, 03:41 PM
Thanks for the new sig.

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You can pet my cock if you'd like

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footstepsfrom#27
06-12-2009, 03:41 PM
I actually disagree with that. The only 2 players that got any decent money from Denver were 2 proven vets, Dawkins and Goodman. I actually think Denver spent very wisely in a very average FA pool. I think Marshall will get his contract by the way, just do not like the way he's going about it and if he has a problem with Denver's training staff then bring it to McDaniels' attention, dont go public with it ffs.

So in other words stop blaming everyone but himself, take responsibility for his actions and show consistently he's worth the money he's asking for both on and off the field, because what good is a $50m WR to us if he's missing games???
I don't know what your definition of "proven vet" is, but Goodman wasn't wanted in Miami despite coming off a career year...the only one he's had that showed much of anyting...and Dawkins is at the end of the line. Then you have Lonnie Paxton, soon to be featured on Lifestyles of the Rich and Unknown...even Renaldo Hill and Jabbar Gaffney are making more than Marshall is, so while yes...the off field stuff does present a problem, he also has a legitimate beef and like I said, what's the problem with writing a clause into his contract that covers them?

And here's one more thing...why is this just now getting addressed? They've had an entire off season to do something with it.

Hotrod
06-12-2009, 03:42 PM
Lets give it up for footsteps and other who are managing to keep a real football discussion going thru all the cock talk.

Hulamau
06-12-2009, 03:46 PM
Is this true or are you kidding?

Its true. Cutler did blow them off for a while.

Punisher
06-12-2009, 03:55 PM
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I prefer my cock deep fried

footstepsfrom#27
06-12-2009, 03:57 PM
I prefer my cock deep fried
Sounds painful.

Hotrod
06-12-2009, 04:04 PM
You know what I like even more then my cock is a nice pair of boobies. Of course I dont have a set of my own. Probably a good thing if I had my cock and a set of boobies I'd probably never leave the house.

http://www.familyvacationco.com/Galapagos/galapagosfamilyvacation10.jpg

mr007
06-12-2009, 04:04 PM
Woohoo!

Celebrate me b****es!

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/11/17/party_narrowweb__300x328,0.jpg

That was actually 5 more posts.

Br0nc0Buster
06-12-2009, 04:05 PM
http://stason.org/photos/data/2008/Israel/Tel%20Aviv%20Safari/s-IMG_3218.JPG
I prefer my cock deep fried

no, grilled cock is better
It feels smoother in the mouth

Bronx33
06-12-2009, 04:08 PM
I like my cock pounded, battered with 11 herbs and spices and deep fried.

mr007
06-12-2009, 04:08 PM
http://www.thegreatcornholio.com/images/cornholio/cockpit.jpg

Hotrod
06-12-2009, 04:10 PM
I think this thread turned out rather fitting for a Marshall thread.

Jack ass needs to shut his pie hole and get to work.

TheReverend
06-12-2009, 04:34 PM
To celebrate here is a little Cap'n tip for ya. Never EVER be this guy at the bar

http://www.lifelounge.com/resources/GALLIMAGE/Funny_Fail_Posters_2.jpg

Anyone who spent a good amount of time out drinking has been that guy at one point or another.

DBroncos4life
06-12-2009, 05:11 PM
<a href="http://photobucket.com/images/anquan%20boldin" target="_blank"><img src="http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/Ojjio/Cardinals123/anquan-boldin-5.jpg" border="0" alt="Anquan Boldin Pictures, Images and Photos"/></a>

TheReverend
06-12-2009, 05:15 PM
<a href="http://photobucket.com/images/anquan%20boldin" target="_blank"><img src="http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk99/Ojjio/Cardinals123/anquan-boldin-5.jpg" border="0" alt="Anquan Boldin Pictures, Images and Photos"/></a>

http://www.cs.uni.edu/~wallingf/blog-images/art/magritte-not-a-pipe.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g47/xEverlasting_Gazex/dream.jpg

DBroncos4life
06-12-2009, 05:17 PM
http://www.cs.uni.edu/~wallingf/blog-images/art/magritte-not-a-pipe.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g47/xEverlasting_Gazex/dream.jpg

We could have traded our second round pick away for him :)

footstepsfrom#27
06-12-2009, 05:20 PM
Boldin is 29.

TheReverend
06-12-2009, 05:23 PM
We could have traded our second round pick away for him :)

If you're high...

DBroncos4life
06-12-2009, 05:25 PM
Boldin is 29.

He is 28 till October 3, and I don't see your point. This isn't the 70's where players don't play past a certian age. Tons of WRs play past the age of 30 and do it very well.

TheReverend
06-12-2009, 05:31 PM
He is 28 till October 3, and I don't see your point. This isn't the 70's where players don't play past a certian age. Tons of WRs play past the age of 30 and do it very well.

How could you possibly think he'd be available for a second, if you don't mind me asking?

Roy Williams went for a first and a third and a sixth...

DBroncos4life
06-12-2009, 05:33 PM
How could you possibly think he'd be available for a second, if you don't mind me asking?

Roy Williams went for a first and a third and a sixth...

There was rumors going into the draft about it. Randy Moss went for a 4th round pick. As for Roy Williams I don't think there was anyone out there that thought Dallas over paid for him in that trade.

Sorry maybe the second round offer was the best they got from the Bears. The Eagles offered a 3rd rounder and Sheldon Brown.

TheReverend
06-12-2009, 05:37 PM
There was rumors going into the draft about it. Randy Moss went for a 4th round pick. As for Roy Williams I don't think there was anyone out there that thought Dallas over paid for him in that trade.

Randy hadn't produced at a high level for years in Oakland, and was publicly malcontented (though with good reason!)...

Does not apply.

Anquan had a dominant season. Leading league in TDs for most of the season DESPITE having his sinuses smashed. In which case, he went under the knife WITHOUT anesthesia because he wanted to heal fast enough to play the following week.

Now, THAT'S a teammate and one ba mofo.

If you're talking about the sideline rant with Haley in the NFCCG, that was far from a big deal. You'll see a LOT of that with Haley in KC now.

TheReverend
06-12-2009, 05:38 PM
I see your edit. Apology accepted.

footstepsfrom#27
06-12-2009, 05:39 PM
He is 28 till October 3, and I don't see your point. This isn't the 70's where players don't play past a certian age. Tons of WRs play past the age of 30 and do it very well.
Which makes him 29 for most of this season, and my point is...Marshall is younger...maybe not the ultimate consideration, but still a point in his favor.

DBroncos4life
06-12-2009, 05:43 PM
Randy hadn't produced at a high level for years in Oakland, and was publicly malcontented (though with good reason!)...

Does not apply.

Anquan had a dominant season. Leading league in TDs for most of the season DESPITE having his sinuses smashed. In which case, he went under the knife WITHOUT anesthesia because he wanted to heal fast enough to play the following week.

Now, THAT'S a teammate and one ba mofo.

If you're talking about the sideline rant with Haley in the NFCCG, that was far from a big deal. You'll see a LOT of that with Haley in KC now.

What did Roy Williams do to get traded for so much then? He was coming off a poor year with 5 tds 68 catches and under 1000 yards. He never once caught more then 9 tds and only one time in his NFL career did he go over 1000 yards.

TheReverend
06-12-2009, 05:45 PM
What did Roy Williams do to get traded for so much then? He was coming off a poor year with 5 tds 68 catches and under 1000 yards. He never once caught more then 9 tds and only one time in his NFL career did he go over 1000 yards.

Talented WRs have an absurd trade value, but still, Roy was never worth that.

Remember the Skins throwing the farm to Cinci for Chad?

ROFL!

Bet the Bengals wish they had a do-over in that one...

baja
06-12-2009, 06:02 PM
OH COME ****ING ON

Marshall a no-show at Broncos mini-camp
By Mike Klis
The Denver Post
Posted: 06/12/2009 10:00:34 AM MDT
Updated: 06/12/2009 10:04:37 AM MDT


Brandon Marshall (Post file)Broncos star receiver Brandon Marshall did not show up for the team's mandatory mini-camp as of this morning.

Marshall is in the final year of a four-year contract that will pay him $2.198 million this year.

Marshall, who is recovering from hip surgery, would not have been able to participate in the three practices this weekend, but was required to show up for rehab treatments.

<b>Besides not being happy with his contract, Marshall has cited a lack of confidence in the Broncos medical team, saying the severity of his hip injury was misdiagnosed last season.</b> The team could fine him because of his absence.

Broncos coach Josh McDaniels is expected to address the matter following the workout today.


I have thought the same ever since TD was miss diagnosed over and over

lazarus4444
06-12-2009, 06:30 PM
I'd like to think this is more about the medical staff than money. Probably 60/40 money vs. medical staff though. I don't blame him about the medical staff, time for some changes.

Popps
06-12-2009, 06:54 PM
14 pages?

Wow. Are we at racism yet?

TheReverend
06-12-2009, 06:55 PM
14 pages?

Wow. Are we at racism yet?

I distracted Footsteps with absurd impotence claims, so he missed his chance.

Mr.Meanie
06-12-2009, 06:55 PM
14 pages?

Wow. Are we at racism yet?

McDaniels, a white man, is trying to hold down Marshall by not giving him a new contract when he clearly deserves it. How is that NOT racism?

TheReverend
06-12-2009, 06:58 PM
McDaniels, a white man, is trying to hold down Marshall by not giving him a new contract when he clearly deserves it. How is that NOT racism?

No black owners.

Rarely is a brother given a shot at QB.

WR's are dominantly black and football is suspiciously shaped like a watermelon.

Extremely racist game, imo.

TheReverend
06-12-2009, 07:01 PM
PS. No racism intended. Justification: I have 1 black friend.

footstepsfrom#27
06-12-2009, 07:03 PM
I distracted Footsteps with absurd impotence claims, so he missed his chance.
:-[

DBroncos4life
06-12-2009, 07:12 PM
PS. No racism intended. Justification: I have 1 black friend.

Its ok we have a black president

TheReverend
06-12-2009, 07:17 PM
Its ok we have a black president

Nice one. Thank god. Thought I was going to have to make a donation to NAACP to atone.

elsid13
06-12-2009, 07:34 PM
PS. No racism intended. Justification: I have 1 black friend.

The real question is have you ever hooked up with a black girl

TheReverend
06-12-2009, 07:37 PM
The real question is have you ever hooked up with a black girl

I plead the fif

http://www.students.stedwards.edu/jschanz/dafif.jpg

elsid13
06-12-2009, 07:38 PM
I plead the fif

http://www.students.stedwards.edu/jschanz/dafif.jpg

She rode your ass and put it away wet didn't she....

footstepsfrom#27
06-12-2009, 07:46 PM
The real question is have you ever hooked up with a black girl
This is a question...why?

Bronco X
06-12-2009, 11:14 PM
*sigh*

The dude is endlessly frustrating. But damn if I don't love what he brings on the field when he brings it. And no question, it's not easy to find talent like this at the WR position.

But I don't got much hope there's a light at the end of the tunnel of endless frustration with him.

Popps
06-12-2009, 11:22 PM
No black owners.

Rarely is a brother given a shot at QB.

WR's are dominantly black and football is suspiciously shaped like a watermelon.

Extremely racist game, imo.

:strong: :rofl:

cutthemdown
06-12-2009, 11:32 PM
Its ok we have a black president

he's half white. Why does the black half get more publicity?

IT'S RACISM!!!!!!

BroncoMan4ever
06-12-2009, 11:52 PM
I have thought the same ever since TD was miss diagnosed over and over

there is no chance in hell i would let the butchers at team headquarters be apart of my rehab

OrangeRising
06-13-2009, 12:30 AM
I think this thread turned out rather fitting for a Marshall thread.

Jack ass needs to shut his pie hole and get to work.

Why? Maybe he can get his agent to manipulate a contentious situation in which he takes all the blame and ends up getting traded to a team with a real QB, say, Chicago.

Doubt he would want that though, huh?

Bob's your Information Minister
06-13-2009, 12:44 AM
I don't even want to think about the orgasms I might have if you guys trade Cutler AND Marshall in the same offseason.

Popps
06-13-2009, 01:10 AM
I don't even want to think about the orgasms I might have if you guys trade Cutler AND Marshall in the same offseason.

Get that computer fixed yet, Boob?

http://www.king-mag.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/itdept.jpg

Bob's your Information Minister
06-13-2009, 01:47 AM
Leave it to Popps to de-rail the thread.

Hulamau
06-13-2009, 01:53 AM
Get that computer fixed yet, Boob?

http://www.king-mag.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/itdept.jpg

:spit: Had your thyroid checked lately Boob?

Florida_Bronco
06-13-2009, 01:56 AM
Get that computer fixed yet, Boob?

I think Bob is fatter than that, right?

Popps
06-13-2009, 02:09 AM
I think Bob is fatter than that, right?

He has been.

I think he lopped off 15 pounds or something.

Apparently he's only getting orgasms when we make trades, so I guess the plan isn't exactly playing out as he hoped.

Hulamau
06-13-2009, 02:18 AM
Get that computer fixed yet, Boob?



Poor Kitty ....

Florida_Bronco
06-13-2009, 02:22 AM
He has been.

I think he lopped off 15 pounds or something.

Apparently he's only getting orgasms when we make trades, so I guess the plan isn't exactly playing out as he hoped.

Dude is gonna die without ever getting any action.

lazarus4444
06-13-2009, 02:33 AM
http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_12581741

Posted: 06/13/2009 01:00:00 AM MDT



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Brandon Marshall (Associated Press file photo)



<script language="JavaScript"> if(requestedWidth > 0){ document.getElementById('articleViewerGroup').styl e.width = requestedWidth + &quot;px&quot;; document.getElementById('articleViewerGroup').styl e.margin = &quot;0px 0px 10px 10px&quot;; } </script>Wearing a dark T-shirt and dark athletic shorts, Broncos receiver Brandon Marshall walked into Dove Valley headquarters Friday afternoon for a private meeting with team owner Pat Bowlen.
Marshall walked out a little more than an hour later carrying packed boxes to his car before driving away from the players' parking lot without comment, leaving behind this dark possibility: Has he caught his last pass for the Broncos?



Read it all http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_12581741

Popps
06-13-2009, 02:47 AM
http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_12581741



Read it all http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_12581741

Oh boy.

Well, no one can say this off-season has been boring!

:P

Popps
06-13-2009, 02:48 AM
Poor Kitty ....

In all the times I've posted Bob's picture, finally someone recognizes the trauma that poor animal went through.

footstepsfrom#27
06-13-2009, 02:49 AM
Marshall was essentially slotted into a contract that paid him a relatively modest $1.5 million in combined salary and signing bonus through his first three seasons. Thanks to a Pro Bowl incentive in that contract, Marshall's fourth-year salary for 2009 did escalate to $2.198 million
So he's been playing for $500K a year up till now? That's 206 catches, 2600 yards and 13 TD's in two years for basically HALF as much as the new long snapper makes this year alone.

Off field problems or not...possible suspension or not...he deserves a raise even if it's for what he did in the past only. Clearly he's not only underpaid, he's been WAY underpaid up until now.

Popps
06-13-2009, 02:51 AM
So he's been playing for $500K a year up till now? That's 206 catches, 2600 yards and 13 TD's in two years for basically HALF as much as the new long snapper makes this year alone.

Off field problems or not...possible suspension or not...he deserves a raise even if it's for what he did in the past only. Clearly he's not only underpaid, he's been WAY underpaid up until now.

I don't think anyone questions him deserving a raise.

There needs to be clarity on his situation, and there needs to be a solid idea of where this dip****'s head is at.

Keep in mind, Shanahan didn't extend his contract, either.

It's no accident that he's playing on his rookie contract. Brandon can thank Brandon for that.

Florida_Bronco
06-13-2009, 03:14 AM
Just for reference.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_12498848?source=searchles

If you believe his agent, this is more about the horrible medical work done by the team. In that respect, I can't blame Brandon.

Hulamau
06-13-2009, 03:15 AM
Noway they wouldn't give him a new deal in training camp once its clear he is recovered and can play at a high level. Even then there should be the appropriate injury clauses around the hip and off field women beating penalties like having to repay his entire signing bonus next time he hits a woman.

Other than that I'm all for him getting a good pay day and I'm sure the Broncos would accommodate.

No doubt the hang up now is over some combination of wording those issues. Should be interesting to watch this one unfold.

Hulamau
06-13-2009, 03:18 AM
By the way don't we have one more mini camp after this weekend before training camp starts? I thought there was some more up to around June 26 or so, then a month of no camps before TC??

Atlas
06-13-2009, 03:56 AM
he's half white. Why does the black half get more publicity?

IT'S RACISM!!!!!!

I agree he is the first 1/2 white President in U.S. history!!

ZONA
06-13-2009, 04:55 AM
Marshall would be doing nothing but rehabing with crappy doctors if he was here and the fact that he's a top 10 player at his position in the final year of a contract with no extension or new contract on the table, I think you would see alot of players holding out in that same position. Yeah, his off the field problems do factor in but only to a certain extent. All they have to do is put a clause in there that if he is suspended, a portion of the signing bonus is returned. Players as young as BM almost always want some kind of new deal on the table if they are in their final year, just in case of a career ending injury. That's pretty much a normal thing for star players. This is not that alarming to me at all.

Gort
06-13-2009, 07:31 AM
it's simple. Brandon needs more bail money. he's planning for his future, and what he's got in the bank ain't going to cover future needs.

i suggest he work out a deal to advertise Chico's Bail Bonds on his jersey for a discounted rate on future requests. i understand that they have some history with sponsoring athletes.

http://blogs.suburbanchicagonews.com/sportsbeacon/bad-news-bears-cap1.jpg

Bigdawg26
06-13-2009, 08:55 AM
So he's been playing for $500K a year up till now? That's 206 catches, 2600 yards and 13 TD's in two years for basically HALF as much as the new long snapper makes this year alone.

Off field problems or not...possible suspension or not...he deserves a raise even if it's for what he did in the past only. Clearly he's not only underpaid, he's been WAY underpaid up until now.

Well I never really look at that but you do have a great point. The man has earned a pay raise, but if McDummy is willing to do that i dont know. Man we lose our pro bowl wide out and quarterback in the same off season would be something
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BroncoBuff
06-13-2009, 08:57 AM
Brandon please ... show up, shut up, and study :pray:

Cito Pelon
06-13-2009, 09:20 AM
http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_12581741



Read it all http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_12581741

Sounds like Marshall is in limbo right now. Gonna be interesting to see how this plays out.

Cito Pelon
06-13-2009, 09:33 AM
Marshall would be doing nothing but rehabing with crappy doctors if he was here and the fact that he's a top 10 player at his position in the final year of a contract with no extension or new contract on the table, I think you would see alot of players holding out in that same position. Yeah, his off the field problems do factor in but only to a certain extent. All they have to do is put a clause in there that if he is suspended, a portion of the signing bonus is returned. Players as young as BM almost always want some kind of new deal on the table if they are in their final year, just in case of a career ending injury. That's pretty much a normal thing for star players. This is not that alarming to me at all.

For argument's sake, I'll point out that Marshall said last year the hip injury was something he'd had since college.

Also, Marshall doesn't wear knee pads, thigh pads, hip pads. So he's inviting injury with the physical game he plays. He's basically a possession receiver that got YAC by pounding DB's his first 3 years in the NFL. He's a darn good possession WR, but he's worn down already.

I imagine the team is weighing everything before they give him a big signing bonus. Dude could be ineffective in two years.

TonyR
06-13-2009, 09:53 AM
Brandon please ... show up, shut up, and study :pray:

When/where have we heard this before? Sounds vaguely familiar...

lostknight
06-13-2009, 10:01 AM
Until the front office starts leaking stories, the way the leaked the "Cutler is drunk" meme the last time.

At least with Marshall, it will be a hell of a lot easier.

BroncoBuff
06-13-2009, 10:07 AM
At least with Marshall, it will be a hell of a lot easier.

Can't do that ... Cutler's gone, Weigmann is crying and Brandon's holding out.

That's our three Pro Bowlers. Pat will NOT let our three Pro-Bowlers all go, horrible PR, horrible publicity, and it would hoist a horrible rep on Josh.

B-Marsh has alotta leverage ... when you factor in age, he's a top 5 WR in the game, making like the 60th highest salary in the game.

Two 100-catch seasons in a row, he kept his mouth shut then, time to pay him now.

He should show up now, then hold out of camp ... the pressure on Pat would be enormous.

UberBroncoMan
06-13-2009, 10:15 AM
I agree he is the first 1/2 white President in U.S. history!!

On another note he's the 44th human President in the U.S. I'm ****ing sick of people and their obsession with color of which even Obama is highly guilty of.

TheReverend
06-13-2009, 10:21 AM
:strong: :rofl:

Ha!

That was a trap my 1 black friend and I set. We knew whoever laughed at that was a clear racist. You, Popps, have some explaining to do.

Cito Pelon
06-13-2009, 10:22 AM
Can't do that ... Cutler's gone, Weigmann is crying and Brandon's holding out.

That's our three Pro Bowlers. Pat will NOT let our three Pro-Bowlers all go, horrible PR, horrible publicity, and it would hoist a horrible rep on Josh.

B-Marsh has alotta leverage ... when you factor in age, he's a top 5 WR in the game, making like the 60th highest salary in the game.

Two 100-catch seasons in a row, he kept his mouth shut then, time to pay him now.

He should show up now, then hold out of camp ... the pressure on Pat would be enormous.

If he can't play at the level he's played at his first three years, why give him a big signing bonus?

He doesn't have "alotta leverage."

Hip injuries are a big deal. If he's healthy he'll show up for camp and he'll get a new deal, if he's not healthy then he won't get a new deal.

TheReverend
06-13-2009, 10:24 AM
http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_12581741



Read it all http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_12581741

Jesus Christ...

Mr Bowlen, you're giving the rest of us Pats a bad name...

TheReverend
06-13-2009, 10:25 AM
If he can't play at the level he's played at his first three years, why give him a big signing bonus?

He doesn't have "alotta leverage."

Hip injuries are a big deal. If he's healthy he'll show up for camp and he'll get a new deal, if he's not healthy then he won't get a new deal.

Cito, you have absolutely no idea if that's what they've told him or not...

kamakazi_kal
06-13-2009, 10:31 AM
:notthissh :moody:

is there a freaking rain cloud following this team right now? and if so what's it's name?......

If we lose Marshall too ..... I'm on my way to a complete meltdown.

gyldenlove
06-13-2009, 10:39 AM
If he can't play at the level he's played at his first three years, why give him a big signing bonus?

He doesn't have "alotta leverage."

Hip injuries are a big deal. If he's healthy he'll show up for camp and he'll get a new deal, if he's not healthy then he won't get a new deal.

Alotta Leverage, sounds like a 400lb Romanian hammer throwing dyke.

Cito Pelon
06-13-2009, 10:57 AM
Cito, you have absolutely no idea if that's what they've told him or not...

Yah, that's just my speculation. Dude's pretty banged up, not a good time to be looking for a payday.

BroncoBuff
06-13-2009, 10:58 AM
Cito's right, we might be underestimating the effect of the hip injury. Marshall's a power receiver, and the leverage he needs is largely hip-related.

Why not a one-year deal? Restructure the last year of his current contract with a butt-load of incentives?


The reality is somebody's gonna give him a 1st round tender next winter, so why not get out ahead of this?

broncsyanks
06-13-2009, 11:23 AM
watch mcdaniels run this guy out of town as well. top quaterback and now a top reciever. crazy stuff.

DenverBrit
06-13-2009, 11:27 AM
Jesus Christ...

Mr Bowlen, you're giving the rest of us Pats a bad name...


CBS4 reported that McPoopyPants was also in the meeting.......but no mention of BM leaving with packed boxes.

Broncojef
06-13-2009, 11:37 AM
watch mcdaniels run this guy out of town as well. top quaterback and now a top reciever. crazy stuff.

Marshall has had issues long before Mcdaniels came here. Marshall whining about a new big long term contract with his latest/reoccuring antics possible suspensions and injuries is just ridiculous. If we are cleaning house getting rid of head cases Marshall seems to top the list.

TheReverend
06-13-2009, 11:49 AM
CBS4 reported that McPoopyPants was also in the meeting.......but no mention of BM leaving with packed boxes.

Hopefully if he truly left with packed boxes they were all studying material of the new offense and the meeting went amicably.

footstepsfrom#27
06-13-2009, 12:21 PM
Cito's right, we might be underestimating the effect of the hip injury. Marshall's a power receiver, and the leverage he needs is largely hip-related.

Why not a one-year deal? Restructure the last year of his current contract with a butt-load of incentives?
Why not show some good faith by at least giving him a short term extension...one year as you said...that compensates him for what he's already done? They just gave Gaffney a $10 million/4 year deal with $3 million guaranteed...that's twice the guaranteed money that Marshall's earned the entire time he's been here...for JABBAR GAFFNEY...a guy with nowhere near his talent or production. Of course he's an ex Patriot...not that this has anything to do with it (cough...Lonnie Paxton) but they could in fact, pay Brandon as much as a guy whose never caught a pass here for at least next season. BTW...since you bring up incentives...Marshall's salary is not $2.whatever million...he's still on that $500K a year deal but he earned the extra money by making the pro bowl...so he is ALLREADY on an incentive deal right now. Surely Denver has gotten more value out of him than $1.5 million over these 3 years, so why not at least mend a few fences by paying him something now? Even if he doesn't earn it next year...gets hurt, suspended...whatever...hasn't he in fact ALLREADY EARNED it? And...does anyone think his career is over? I highly doubt that...we need this guy.

Pay him.

footstepsfrom#27
06-13-2009, 12:28 PM
Marshall has had issues long before Mcdaniels came here. Marshall whining about a new big long term contract with his latest/reoccuring antics possible suspensions and injuries is just ridiculous. If we are cleaning house getting rid of head cases Marshall seems to top the list.
Say hello to 4-12 then.

Reality is...he's going to get paid...maybe not here...but someone will pay him. It would be idiotic to dump our two best players this off season.
EDIT: happy now Cito? :welcome:

Cito Pelon
06-13-2009, 01:16 PM
Hopefully if he truly left with packed boxes they were all studying material of the new offense and the meeting went amicably.

That would be the ideal situation.

Marshall will be on the team if he's healthy. They're not gonna jettison him for no reason. He'll get a new contract if he's healthy. It would be out of character for Bowlen to jettison the guy right now. Marshall has tried to be a good guy in the community.

Taking into consideration the CBA where Marshall suddenly became a RFA instead of a UFA, Bowlen is not gonna dump the guy post haste, especially since he was man enough to show up and meet man to man.

Cito Pelon
06-13-2009, 01:28 PM
Say hello to 3-12 then.

Reality is...he's going to get paid...maybe not here...but someone will pay him. It would be idiotic to dump our two best players this off season.

3-12???

Do you really expect that people will take you seriously when you can't even get the total number of games in a season accurately?

footstepsfrom#27
06-13-2009, 01:32 PM
3-12???

Do you really expect that people will take you seriously when you can't even get the total number of games in a season accurately?
:rofl: Fine...I edited it down from 4-12 and forgot to change the 3 to a 4..it's called a typo...i'm pretty sure you don't think I don't know how many games we play.

The point still stands.

fdf
06-13-2009, 01:42 PM
Noway they wouldn't give him a new deal in training camp once its clear he is recovered and can play at a high level. Even then there should be the appropriate injury clauses around the hip and off field women beating penalties like having to repay his entire signing bonus next time he hits a woman.

Other than that I'm all for him getting a good pay day and I'm sure the Broncos would accommodate.

No doubt the hang up now is over some combination of wording those issues. Should be interesting to watch this one unfold.

I suspect the main issue is guaranteed money. Marshall's going to want a bunch, regardless of injury and off-field drama. The Broncos would be chumps to give it to him guaranteed, given his injuries and the drama he totes around with him. Hope they can find a middle ground that makes sense. I'm not sanguine.

footstepsfrom#27
06-13-2009, 02:00 PM
I suspect the main issue is guaranteed money. Marshall's going to want a bunch, regardless of injury and off-field drama. The Broncos would be chumps to give it to him guaranteed, given his injuries and the drama he totes around with him. Hope they can find a middle ground that makes sense. I'm not sanguine.
They gave Gaffney $3 million guaranteed, so maybe if they just pay him half what he should have been making up till now...say $8 million guaranteed, it's like he got paid before now what he was worth and yet gets no guaranteed money in the new contract.

Reguardless of his other issues...you must admit that having this guy play the last 2 years for what Lonnie Paxton will make this year was one unbelievable bargain.

Punisher
06-13-2009, 02:01 PM
3-12???

Do you really expect that people will take you seriously when you can't even get the total number of games in a season accurately?

LMAO i know right what going to happen in week 17 a tie :)

lazarus4444
06-13-2009, 02:18 PM
I agree he does deserve to be paid. He should be the best paid WR on the team by at least 2-3mil a year. But, they do need to load it with incentives. Not hard to get incentives either. Say like for 50 catches he gets 1mil bonus and for 75 catches he gets another mil and a 100 catches give him 2 mil bonus. Lock him in with that and give him like 2-5mil signing bonus. That way if he ****s up then the broncos are only out 2-5mil signing bonus and thats it.

TheReverend
06-13-2009, 02:33 PM
That would be the ideal situation.

Marshall will be on the team if he's healthy. They're not gonna jettison him for no reason. He'll get a new contract if he's healthy. It would be out of character for Bowlen to jettison the guy right now. Marshall has tried to be a good guy in the community.

Taking into consideration the CBA where Marshall suddenly became a RFA instead of a UFA, Bowlen is not gonna dump the guy post haste, especially since he was man enough to show up and meet man to man.

I get that this part is a broken record, but you need to understand that Bowlen has no shown much, if any, character this off-season. So your bolded statement is far from valid.

Cito Pelon
06-13-2009, 03:37 PM
:rofl: Fine...I edited it down from 4-12 and forgot to change the 3 to a 4..it's called a typo...i'm pretty sure you don't think I don't know how many games we play.

The point still stands.

You get too hysterical sometimes. Relax.

Cito Pelon
06-13-2009, 03:39 PM
I suspect the main issue is guaranteed money. Marshall's going to want a bunch, regardless of injury and off-field drama. The Broncos would be chumps to give it to him guaranteed, given his injuries and the drama he totes around with him. Hope they can find a middle ground that makes sense. I'm not sanguine.

Yup.

Cito Pelon
06-13-2009, 03:44 PM
I agree he does deserve to be paid. He should be the best paid WR on the team by at least 2-3mil a year. But, they do need to load it with incentives. Not hard to get incentives either. Say like for 50 catches he gets 1mil bonus and for 75 catches he gets another mil and a 100 catches give him 2 mil bonus. Lock him in with that and give him like 2-5mil signing bonus. That way if he ****s up then the broncos are only out 2-5mil signing bonus and thats it.

If I was the Broncs I'd be wary of the signing bonus. The incentives sure, I'd give them galore. Bigtime incentives to make him the highest paid WR in the NFL.

Cito Pelon
06-13-2009, 03:57 PM
I get that this part is a broken record, but you need to understand that Bowlen has no shown much, if any, character this off-season. So your bolded statement is far from valid.

Bowlen went into a pissed-off mode where he's not gonna take a lot of crap from his employees. Dude's pissed off. Pittsburgh passed the Broncos up for most AFC Titles last year. That's a slap whether you think it is or not. Bowlen I'm sure thinks it is a slap in the face. That was a landmark Bowlen sure didn't want.

Bowlen is gonna shake this organization up, period. Now we'll have to see if he shook it up right.

Popps
06-13-2009, 03:58 PM
You get too hysterical sometimes. Relax.

:spit:

Bronx33
06-13-2009, 04:02 PM
Bowlen went into a pissed-off mode where he's not gonna take a lot of crap from his employees. Dude's pissed off. Pittsburgh passed the Broncos up for most AFC Titles last year. That's a slap whether you think it is or not. Bowlen I'm sure thinks it is a slap in the face. That was a landmark Bowlen sure didn't want.

Bowlen is gonna shake this organization up, period. Now we'll have to see if he shook it up right.


And footsteps and rev are going to criticize his every move. :P

TheReverend
06-13-2009, 04:41 PM
And footsteps and rev are going to criticize his every move. :P

Only when they deserve to be.

TheReverend
06-13-2009, 04:51 PM
Bowlen went into a pissed-off mode where he's not gonna take a lot of crap from his employees. Dude's pissed off. Pittsburgh passed the Broncos up for most AFC Titles last year. That's a slap whether you think it is or not. Bowlen I'm sure thinks it is a slap in the face. That was a landmark Bowlen sure didn't want.

Bowlen is gonna shake this organization up, period. Now we'll have to see if he shook it up right.

Pissed off mode is one thing, but after all this time, the guy should be in tune with his business and his business model.

Jay's been the guy putting people in seats, dominantly the #1 in jersey sales, and the reason we got a decent chunk of prime-time games recently.

He's a grown ass man. Having a higher level of emotional maturity than the massive egos of professional star athletes should be a pre-requisite and something he's familiar with.

Bronx33
06-13-2009, 05:01 PM
Only when they deserve to be.


or do they 8')

TheReverend
06-13-2009, 05:07 PM
or do they 8')

Absolutely.

Find one post of mine criticizing the defensive staff?

Find one about Ayers?

I didn't even like the Moreno pick, but with no Cutler, it's a sensible move and you won't find a single negative thing said about it.

What you will find negative posts on:

Firing Mike
Firing the Goodmans, and especially the timing of it
Taking Dawkins with bigger contributors for the same price
An odd coincidence that McD spent most of our FA time going after AFC East players when we have a scouting department that has reports on the entire NFL
Trading Jay
The offensive coaching staff outside of McD
Alphonso Smith and Quinn and the lack of going after DL help
And of course, the undisputable lies that Bowlen has told, and his random policy changes that have shown a complete lack of faith in his coach and GM to handle personnel issues after Jay.

Those deserve criticism.

Los Broncos
06-13-2009, 05:10 PM
Get that computer fixed yet, Boob?

http://www.king-mag.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/itdept.jpg

Whats up with the Vaseline there to the left Bob?

Bronx33
06-13-2009, 05:14 PM
Absolutely.

Find one post of mine criticizing the defensive staff?

Find one about Ayers?

I didn't even like the Moreno pick, but with no Cutler, it's a sensible move and you won't find a single negative thing said about it.

What you will find negative posts on:

Firing Mike
Firing the Goodmans, and especially the timing of it
Taking Dawkins with bigger contributors for the same price
An odd coincidence that McD spent most of our FA time going after AFC East players when we have a scouting department that has reports on the entire NFL
Trading Jay
The offensive coaching staff outside of McD
Alphonso Smith and Quinn and the lack of going after DL help
And of course, the undisputable lies that Bowlen has told, and his random policy changes that have shown a complete lack of faith in his coach and GM to handle personnel issues after Jay.

Those deserve criticism.


Micro fanism.;D

TheReverend
06-13-2009, 05:22 PM
Micro fanism.;D

I love how you dodge any factual or intellectual discussion. It's so dreamy.

Bronx33
06-13-2009, 05:29 PM
I love how you dodge any factual or intellectual discussion. It's so dreamy.


why type a bunch of words when you will only shoot it down ( just saving time) :clown:

TheReverend
06-13-2009, 05:31 PM
why type a bunch of words when you will only shoot it down ( just saving time) :clown:

If you put together a factual statement with supporting evidence, then there isn't any room for holes to be shot down...

fdf
06-13-2009, 09:48 PM
is there a freaking rain cloud following this team right now? and if so what's it's name?......If we lose Marshall too ..... I'm on my way to a complete meltdown.

Good screenname for the sentiment.

Popps
06-14-2009, 12:27 AM
Jay's been the guy putting people in seats, dominantly the #1 in jersey sales, and the reason we got a decent chunk of prime-time games recently.
.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.... Jay has been putting butts in the seats?

The franchise has sold out every game since 1970. Hardcore fans were toughing it out long before Jay and his emo-hair came to town.... and they'll continue selling out this year when he's gone.

As for primetime games, Monday night games are a result of your prior season's record. I'm not positive how Sunday night games are selected, but I imagine it's some similar formula, or possibly even lack of a formula.

Our fan support and prime-time appearances have absolutely not been the result of a 3 year QB with a losing record and mixed support among fans, at best.

BroncoBuff
06-14-2009, 02:09 AM
Our fan support and prime-time appearances have absolutely not been the result of a 3 year QB with a losing record and mixed support among fans, at best.

Sad ... you couldn't be more wrong. He was the face of the franchise, loved by fans everywhere. I wonder, Popps, 1) where did you get the idea that Cutler had "mixed support at best" among fans, and 2) what color is the sky in your world?

Popps
06-14-2009, 02:33 AM
Sad ... you couldn't be more wrong. He was the face of the franchise, loved by fans everywhere. I wonder, Popps, 1) where did you get the idea that Cutler had "mixed support at best" among fans, and 2) what color is the sky in your world?

The mixed fan support was in relation to the time of the trade.

Beyond that, he's a blip on the radar of this great organization. You can follow your butt-buddy to Chicago if you want. Some of us were fans before him and will be fans after.

But, claiming he was any sort of "face of the franchise" almost shows a disdain for the history of this team. He's a crap-stain with a losing record who forced his way out of town because he couldn't man-up.

Go ahead, dude. Order that Bears jersey. You spend all day around here pining after the guy. Enough already.

BroncoBuff
06-14-2009, 02:53 AM
The mixed fan support was in relation to the time of the trade.
Okay yeah, at that time it definitely was mixed.


Go ahead, dude. Order that Bears jersey. You spend all day around here pining after the guy. Enough already.
I'll admit, I do pine for the guy ... I had alot invested in Jay, fan-wise and even emotionally in a way. And I'll definitely be watching him on the early games on the ticket. But I've cut way way back on the Jay love the past month. Actually I hope the Bears go 0-16 so we get a good pick ... but I'll be cheering for Jay in 2010, that's for sure.

No jersey though ... Daniel Graham is enough, one is enough for me.

Well, maybe an 80's-90's old-school orange Shannon Sharpe, we'll see.

The Joker
06-14-2009, 05:00 AM
I'll be cheering for Jay in 2010, that's for sure.

What's sad is that I doubt the same guy would piss on you if you were on fire.

I can understand people being upset that Cutler's gone. Our QB situation is weaker with Orton behind center, no sane person could reasonably debate that at this point.

But the wish for the guy to do well in the future, where that comes from I don't know?

He was an asshole while he was here, arrogant about his ability despite not having achieved a damn thing for the team, pissy and butthurt in press conferences after losses, bad demeanor on the sidelines during games, throwing teammates under the bus in the press.

There are hundreds of better people in the NFL to root for if you're gonna attach yourself to some randomer who doesn't play for the Broncos.

I hope Cutler fails miserably next year and gets us a better draft pick. After that, he's just some dickhead playing in the NFC as far as I'm concerned.

BroncoBuff
06-14-2009, 05:19 AM
What's sad is that I doubt the same guy would piss on you if you were on fire.

I can understand people being upset that Cutler's gone. Our QB situation is weaker with Orton behind center, no sane person could reasonably debate that at this point.

But the wish for the guy to do well in the future, where that comes from I don't know?

He was an a-hole while he was here, arrogant about his ability despite not having achieved a damn thing for the team, pissy and butthurt in press conferences after losses, bad demeanor on the sidelines during games, throwing teammates under the bus in the press.

There are hundreds of better people in the NFL to root for if you're gonna attach yourself to some randomer who doesn't play for the Broncos.

I hope Cutler fails miserably next year and gets us a better draft pick. After that, he's just some dickhead playing in the NFC as far as I'm concerned.

Good points, though he'll never be a "randomer" as you put it.

The more I think about it, the more I think I won;t really care if he wins, I just wanna watch because I'm interested. Hope they suck this year, though.

And yes, he was an ass while he was here.

TailgateNut
06-15-2009, 08:31 AM
6 more posts and I'm at 11,111LOL Your post count is already at 11248.