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rugbythug
06-10-2009, 11:22 AM
DENVER -- He botched an attempt to acquire his former quarterback, setting off a firestorm that eventually led to his inherited quarterback's exit out of town. He has come under heavy criticism for his way of doing business, not having a plan, being too young, too arrogant, too brash, too bold.

Even Broncos owner Pat Bowlen admitted recently that the first-time coach had made "rookie mistakes" in his first 100 days on the job.
New faces in Denver
Since Josh McDaniels was hired as coach in January, the Broncos have acquired 25 new players via free agency (14), draft (10) and trade (1):


But the past few weeks have brought Broncos coach Josh McDaniels some public acceptance and faith from his players. Once pushed down the plank after mishandling former quarterback Jay Cutler's ego and trading the Pro Bowler away, he seemingly has discovered a return walkway.

McDaniels was a hit at a recent Broncos fan festival and his once suspect on-field plan, now that it's been set in motion through a series of passing camps, has piqued players' belief that maybe this guy is on to something. At the very least, players feel they need to give McDaniels a shot because winning with him will feel better than losing, regardless of who's making the decisions.

"The main thing, as one of the leaders of this team, is to buy into what the coach is doing. That way, the others follow," veteran Pro Bowl cornerback Champ Bailey said after an OTA practice on Monday at the Broncos' practice facility. "You can't talk negative. I don't care if it is stuff that's real or not. You've got to be positive. You keep things positive, guys will feed into it and want to win for this guy."

Regardless of what players think of McDaniels, it won't do any good to doubt him until it's determined whether what he's selling works.

No need to go to players for that assessment, though. McDaniels is well aware that if he doesn't win, the heat he'll feel in one of the NFL's most passionate football cities will be enough to melt the snow off the caps of the Rockies.

"That's this game. I mean I know what's going to happen. This is about winning," said McDaniels, in the midst of the Broncos' final set of OTAs. "If you lose, you're going to get criticism, I don't care who you are. If you win, you're going to get praise. I don't' care how good you are or how bad you are. If you're lucky to win you're going to get, 'Look how good he is.' That's just football."

Some Denver players indicated that there was some doubt about what McDaniels was trying to accomplish after his flirtation with acquiring former Patriots quarterback Matt Cassel got Cutler so bent out of shape, a trade was necessitated. What helped eventually swing things in McDaniels' favor were time, high character veterans and a slew of new acquisitions -- like former Eagles safety Brian Dawkins -- who put aside the high drama and concentrated on earning starting jobs or extending their careers.

"It was a crazy situation but it's the NFL and the NFL is always crazy," said quarterback Chris Simms, one of 14 free agents acquired by the Broncos since McDaniels was hired in January. "For the most part, after the trade was done, two or three days later, everybody kind of moved on."

Added Bailey: "There always is going to be some negative talk somewhere. I don't care where you are or who the coach is, it's always going to be there. It's hard for a coach to please everybody. It's all about making guys understand. He's trying to do what's best for the team. We just have to buy into it."

According to McDaniels, the coaching and front office staffs' unflinching commitment to the blueprint that was laid out to players upon McDaniels' arrival is what has helped get and keep his team's attention. Well, everything except the Cutler Saga. And to some degree, even that unforeseen situation fell in line with the plan.

A plan that says no one player is bigger than the team and that the team can beat any opponent if players focus only on doing their jobs. It's the model that has proven successful in New England under Bill Belichick -- the Petri dish of winning that spawned McDaniels.

"In New England, we had a mindset that if you didn't bring in people who were problems or who could be a problem, you don't' have that distraction to deal with," McDaniels said. "We've tried to do this right and make this thing jell from a roster standpoint. From what I see, this group has come together as a team. From the first team meeting in the middle of March we laid out our vision and we really stuck to the things we told them we were going to stick to.

"That is hard work, evaluating everything we're doing to try to make it the best we can make it and that every player's got a job to do. It's been my experience that if 11 players do their job on a play we're going to win that play. We've really followed through in pounding that message home."
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Added quarterback Kyle Orton: "It's all about accountability here."

Look up and down the Broncos' roster and you won't find but a handful of household names, and even that might be a stretch. Bailey and Dawkins are two. They are among the few players who won't be battling for their jobs, either.

This, too, is part of McDaniels' plan.

Orton, the quarterback Denver received from Chicago in the Cutler trade (the Broncos also received 2009 and 2010 first-round picks as well as a 2009 third-round choice), is competing for the starting job with Simms. Rookie running back Knowshon Moreno and outside linebacker/defensive end Robert Ayers, taken with the first-round pick acquired from the Bears, aren't being given starting jobs. And the wide receiver rotation also remains in flux as standout Brandon Marshall is rehabilitating from hip surgery and awaiting possible discipline from a 2008 domestic incident.

With so many players worried about whether they'll earn a roster spot, there is little choice than to do what they're being told. So buying in isn't solely voluntary. For most, it's a method of survival.

Then, there are the Xs and Os. Defensively, the Broncos' porous defense from a season ago is being re-tooled under former 49ers head coach Mike Nolan. Denver plans to use a 3-4 front, which is one of the reasons the Broncos took Ayers out of Tennessee with the No. 18 overall pick. Bailey said there is definitely a high learning curve, but players see the chance to succeed.

McDaniels, as he did in New England, will control the offense. He will attempt to get Orton and Simms, quarterbacks with career completion percentages below 60 percent, to run a system where quarterbacks typically complete well above that mark. Not only are Simms and Orton believers, knowing that Cassel, a career backup, completed 63 percent of his passes, threw for 3,693 yards and had 21 touchdowns in the same scheme in 2008, they've seen positive things happen in practice with the offense.

"It's a great system. It puts a lot of demands on us mentally. It gets guys open and it's your job to get them the ball and let them do what they do," said Orton, who registered career highs in yards (2,972), touchdowns (18) and completion percentage (58.5) last season with the Bears.


The main thing McDaniels has done and will do until his team goes on display this fall, is place himself, and no one else, in the line of fire. He is the singular voice and figure of the franchise.

Take the Cutler situation for example. Though trying to placate and then eventually dealing Cutler wasn't solely his idea, he made it appear publicly that way. Since arriving in Denver, every move made by the Broncos has been designed that way. Wins and losses will be placed at his feet, too, much like they've been with Belichick, his mentor.

It's not much different than the way things have been done in Denver for a long time. Mike Shanahan was the omnipotent force of the franchise for 14 years, two of which ended in Super Bowl championships. Players, coaches, as well as wins and losses arrived and left, but Shanahan remained a constant -- until last winter, when the seemingly impenetrable bubble around him was burst and he was fired after a third straight season of not making the playoffs.

In the short time he's walked in Shanahan's shoes, McDaniels hasn't done much to reconstruct the wall of security that allowed Shanahan such a lengthy shelf life.

However, with the Cutler saga behind him and the franchise and the reality of football starting to settle in, McDaniels has at least developed a following from those he needs to lead.

Though things might not have gotten off to an ideal start, a plan at least seems to be developing. And for McDaniels and the Broncos, that is a victory unto itself.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d810ba5bb&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Man-Goblin
06-10-2009, 11:27 AM
Wait, I thought he was alienating all of the players?

Meck77
06-10-2009, 11:35 AM
Wait, I thought he was alienating all of the players?

Only the ones who put their personal needs over the team.

As long as the players believe we'll get back to the playoffs. The fans that don't believe in him will follow when it's convenient.

Mr.Meanie
06-10-2009, 11:46 AM
whew, just in time before he got fired, too!

Popps
06-10-2009, 11:47 AM
Crap. Don't let Footsteps see this.

lex
06-10-2009, 11:48 AM
Only the ones who put their personal needs over the team.

As long as the players believe we'll get back to the playoffs. The fans that don't believe in him will follow when it's convenient.

Its not about the "team" as much as its about McDaniels. Everyone has to bow down to McDaniels as though he invented football.
If you do that, there are no problems.

BroncoBuff
06-10-2009, 11:49 AM
Crap. Don't let Footsteps see this.

I sent him the link already ... ;D

kamakazi_kal
06-10-2009, 11:50 AM
Its not about the "team" as much as its about McDaniels. Everyone has to bow down to McDaniels as though he invented football.
If you do that, there are no problems.

ROFL! they do goosesteps for warmup drills.

Inkana7
06-10-2009, 11:53 AM
Its not about the "team" as much as its about McDaniels. Everyone has to bow down to McDaniels as though he invented football.
If you do that, there are no problems.

I'm sure that's it, lex. You're spot on, as usual.

Popps
06-10-2009, 11:53 AM
Take the Cutler situation for example. Though trying to placate and then eventually dealing Cutler wasn't solely his idea, he made it appear publicly that way. Since arriving in Denver, every move made by the Broncos has been designed that way. Wins and losses will be placed at his feet, too, much like they've been with Belichick, his mentor.


This is what I was trying to get across to BPC in another thread last night. People think McDaniels is worried about media pressure? Forget about it.

He WANTS the pressure. He wants it on him and off of his assistants, etc. He sees himself as the first and last line of defense for the franchise.

Like it or not, that's how business was conducted in NE and that's how it will be conducted in Denver. The guy isn't afraid of the media, and I get the idea he's not that concerned with them, either. He's more concerned about his football program.

rugbythug
06-10-2009, 11:54 AM
Its not about the "team" as much as its about McDaniels. Everyone has to bow down to McDaniels as though he invented football.
If you do that, there are no problems.

What do you think of the Menu? Did you get a bigger Office at Dove Valley?

Smiling Assassin27
06-10-2009, 11:54 AM
Its not about the "team" as much as its about McDaniels. Everyone has to bow down to McDaniels as though he invented football.
If you do that, there are no problems.


Yes, Champ Bailey is certainly a known coach worshipper who'd follow even Rich Kotite into battle. :rofl:

TheReverend
06-10-2009, 11:55 AM
Hopefully they're COMPLETELY buying into his plans. More than a few of these players have a history of quitting in the face of adversity. Changing that could go a good distance towards a mentally tougher football team.

Mr.Meanie
06-10-2009, 11:56 AM
Its not about the "team" as much as its about McDaniels. Everyone has to bow down to McDaniels as though he invented football.
If you do that, there are no problems.

Impressive! I'm starting to get the feeling you know as much about football as you do basketball.

Ha!

HILife
06-10-2009, 11:58 AM
Brandon Marshall is rehabilitating from hip surgery and awaiting possible discipline from a 2008 domestic incident.


Why do they keep talking about this? Didn't Marshall get a letter saying he was not going to be suspended?

rugbythug
06-10-2009, 12:01 PM
Why do they keep talking about this? Didn't Marshall get a letter saying he was not going to be suspended?

If he gets convicted on the old charges they will suspend him.

broncofan7
06-10-2009, 12:02 PM
"The main thing, as one of the leaders of this team, is to buy into what the coach is doing. That way, the others follow," veteran Pro Bowl cornerback Champ Bailey said after an OTA practice on Monday at the Broncos' practice facility. "You can't talk negative. I don't care if it is stuff that's real or not. You've got to be positive. You keep things positive, guys will feed into it and want to win for this guy."


How can so many read this and take it as anything other than a backhanded compliment toward McD from our BEST PLAYER no less. Translation: "Well, since I am a team leader, even though I know this **** isn't going to work out, i have to maintain my positive attitude for the good of the team....."

Hey Champ, what do you REALLY think about the Cutler trade: " I am thinking that this young MF'er needs to trade my A$$ out of his rebuilding project..I want to win now...all we needed to do was get some more defensive talent and a scheme like the Eagles & Giants."

rugbythug
06-10-2009, 12:10 PM
"The main thing, as one of the leaders of this team, is to buy into what the coach is doing. That way, the others follow," veteran Pro Bowl cornerback Champ Bailey said after an OTA practice on Monday at the Broncos' practice facility. "You can't talk negative. I don't care if it is stuff that's real or not. You've got to be positive. You keep things positive, guys will feed into it and want to win for this guy."


How can so many read this and take it as anything other than a backhanded compliment toward McD from our BEST PLAYER no less. Translation: "Well, since I am a team leader, even though I know this **** isn't going to work out, i have to maintain my positive attitude for the good of the team....."

Hey Champ, what do you REALLY think about the Cutler trade: " I am thinking that this young MF'er needs to trade my A$$ out of his rebuilding project..I want to win now...all we needed to do was get some more defensive talent and a scheme like the Eagles & Giants."

How long were you in 8th grade?

TailgateNut
06-10-2009, 12:15 PM
How long were you in 8th grade?

He's still counting! Leave him alone, his time on the net is limited due to library rules. :wiggle:

Los Broncos
06-10-2009, 12:23 PM
Crap. Don't let Footsteps see this.

I mean why not dude?

broncofan7
06-10-2009, 12:29 PM
How long were you in 8th grade?

Typical response by someone who brings NOTHING to the discussion........Champ's point of view is now in quotations--"You can't talk negative. I don't care if it is stuff that's real or not. You've got to be positive. You keep things positive, guys will feed into it and want to win for this guy"

BY even addressing this he admits that these concerns ARE REAL.

Mr.Meanie
06-10-2009, 12:36 PM
BY even addressing this he admits that these concerns ARE REAL.

OMG NOOOOOO!!!!


http://www.salem-news.com/stimg/february052009/chicken-little2.jpg

lex
06-10-2009, 12:37 PM
What do you think of the Menu? Did you get a bigger Office at Dove Valley?

I dont have time to eat right now but can you please just get me a cup of coffee.

Thanks.

broncofan7
06-10-2009, 12:39 PM
I dont have time to eat right now but can you please just get me a cup of coffee.

Thanks.

:spit:

lex
06-10-2009, 12:41 PM
Impressive! I'm starting to get the feeling you know as much about football as you do basketball.

Ha!


Gur

broncofan7
06-10-2009, 12:45 PM
OMG NOOOOOO!!!!


http://www.salem-news.com/stimg/february052009/chicken-little2.jpg

You're right! Why would a BRONCO'S FAN be at all concerned by his team not TRULY buying into the new coaches program?!?!?!?!? :clown:

1st you FAIL on racism and now you FAIL on the Broncos.

lex
06-10-2009, 12:46 PM
You're right! Why would a BRONCO'S FAN be at all concerned by his team not TRULY buying into the new coaches program?!?!?!?!? :clown:

1st you FAIL on racism and now you FAIL on the Broncos.

Prediction: Youre about to get the "Im right because I say so" act from him.

DenverBrit
06-10-2009, 12:53 PM
Its not about the "team" as much as its about McDaniels. Everyone has to bow down to McDaniels as though he invented football.
If you do that, there are no problems.


http://positivesharing.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/complaining.jpg

rugbythug
06-10-2009, 12:57 PM
Typical response by someone who brings NOTHING to the discussion........Champ's point of view is now in quotations--"You can't talk negative. I don't care if it is stuff that's real or not. You've got to be positive. You keep things positive, guys will feed into it and want to win for this guy"

BY even addressing this he admits that these concerns ARE REAL.

Reading Comprehension- Catch IT!

I think you are Awesome. By Far my favorite poster on the board. It looses a little when you type it. But I think you get my drift.

broncofan7
06-10-2009, 01:12 PM
Reading Comprehension- Catch IT!

I think you are Awesome. By Far my favorite poster on the board. It looses a little when you type it. But I think you get my drift.

OH the irony.......

Mr.Meanie
06-10-2009, 01:21 PM
1st you FAIL on racism and now you FAIL on the Broncos.

:rofl:

I guess "failing" at racism is not being racist. Good one! I guess I also fail at bigotry, ignorance and stupidity - that's your niche.

Gcver2ver3
06-10-2009, 01:21 PM
Typical response by someone who brings NOTHING to the discussion........Champ's point of view is now in quotations--"You can't talk negative. I don't care if it is stuff that's real or not. You've got to be positive. You keep things positive, guys will feed into it and want to win for this guy"

BY even addressing this he admits that these concerns ARE REAL.

boy you are an expert at finding the negative in anything aren't you?...

goldengopher1976
06-10-2009, 01:33 PM
I actually took Champ's comments positively. I interpreted them as a mature team-leader saying: whether or not there's credence to the accusations, we need to get behind this coach--the team is more important than any of the individual issues at stake.

I saw Champ's comments as a fantastic step in the right direction from a veteran leader and a class-act.

broncofan7
06-10-2009, 01:59 PM
:rofl:

I guess "failing" at racism is not being racist. Good one! I guess I also fail at bigotry, ignorance and stupidity - that's your niche.

You 'guess' wrong. Racism is a one way street in your poltically correct, brainwashed mind.
Judging by your posts, I'd say you have a monopoly on those other two bolded attributes.

supermanhr9
06-10-2009, 02:01 PM
Mickey D has got my vote of confidence, why not.

broncofan7
06-10-2009, 02:06 PM
I actually took Champ's comments positively. I interpreted them as a mature team-leader saying: whether or not there's credence to the accusations, we need to get behind this coach--the team is more important than any of the individual issues at stake.

I saw Champ's comments as a fantastic step in the right direction from a veteran leader and a class-act.

So did I--where we differ is the fact that I see an issue in the fact that he wasn't able to outright say "The problems that you think we have--they are all of the Media's creation." Instead he chose the "whether real or not" which lends itself to one being able to draw the proper conclusion that these issues (McD's leadership) are in fact an issue in the lockerroom and that Champ, as a team leader is tasked with setting the proper example whether the coach's credibility is in question or not. Champ is a warrior.

Mr.Meanie
06-10-2009, 02:13 PM
You 'guess' wrong. Racism is a one way street in your poltically correct, brainwashed mind.

Actually I believe racism isn't limited to any color - every culture has its racists and bigots. Your problem is that the only hatred that outrages you is when it's black on white.

vancejohnson82
06-10-2009, 02:14 PM
So did I--where we differ is the fact that I see an issue in the fact that he wasn't able to outright say "The problems that you think we have--they are all of the Media's creation." Instead he chose the "whether real or not" which lends itself to one being able to draw the proper conclusion that these issues (McD's leadership) are in fact an issue in the lockerroom and that Champ, as a team leader is tasked with setting the proper example whether the coach's credibility is in question or not. Champ is a warrior.

I just think he doesnt really care whether they are real or not...thats why he didnt comment on them while they were happening....he isthe kind of guy who shows up and does his job and doesnt get involved in all the drama...so I doubt he even did any probing into the situations that happened

Hence, the quote

DenverBrit
06-10-2009, 02:14 PM
So did I--where we differ is the fact that I see an issue in the fact that he wasn't able to outright say "The problems that you think we have--they are all of the Media's creation." Instead he chose the "whether real or not" which lends itself to one being able to draw the proper conclusion that these issues (McD's leadership) are in fact an issue in the lockerroom and that Champ, as a team leader is tasked with setting the proper example whether the coach's credibility is in question or not. Champ is a warrior.

That's YOUR biased interpretation and it shows.

Why presume you can read Champ's mind and put words into his mouth?

outdoor_miner
06-10-2009, 02:18 PM
...which lends itself to one being able to draw the proper conclusion...

LOL

Yep - that's the only "proper" conclusion that can be drawn. You are not "interpreting" his quote one bit. You are only using the cold, hard facts. Ha!

broncofan7
06-10-2009, 02:20 PM
Actually I believe racism isn't limited to any color - every culture has its racists and bigots. Your problem is that the only hatred that outrages you is when it's black on white.

Please go see those 'other threads' where I clearly point out that racism is NOT a one way street and then come back and apologize for disparaging my good name with your misrepresentations........

USMCBladerunner
06-10-2009, 02:23 PM
There isn't a lot of information that can be gleaned from Champ's statement one way or another. All it is is a declaration of his leadership style. It's an honest one as well...he sure was positive about Slowik, just as he is positive right now.

All he's saying is that he's not going to sell out a coach to the media or his teammates because it's not conducive to winning. This begins to have the same ring as McDaniels team first concepts, so I wouldn't be surprised if Champ actually is on board, but he didn't say he was or wasn't.

Mr.Meanie
06-10-2009, 02:27 PM
Please go see those 'other threads' where I clearly point out that racism is NOT a one way street and then come back and apologize for disparaging my good name with your misrepresentations........

:rofl:

rugbythug
06-10-2009, 02:36 PM
Racism In this thread too!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GTFO

Kaylore
06-10-2009, 03:34 PM
I like what he's saying and I like the guys he's brought in. I like his team philosophy and I like his coaching choices. I love how he's stood by his plan and not wavered from it. I like how he's redirected all criticism toward himself. I have serious issues with how he's spending our picks and our money. Now we have to wait and see how we'll look this season. If what he's preaching begins to manifest on the field then it will show he's not all talk and should get a few more years. If we have the same issues we used it, then he'll be on the hot seat.

colonelbeef
06-10-2009, 03:38 PM
All total rhetoric and rah-rah bull**** until they start to win. If they start 1-3, watch how fast they turn on him.

DBroncos4life
06-10-2009, 03:40 PM
All total rhetoric and rah-rah bull**** until they start to win. If they start 1-3, watch how fast they turn on him.

Or if they go 4-0 people will love him.

Cito Pelon
06-10-2009, 03:46 PM
DENVER -- Even Broncos owner Pat Bowlen admitted recently that the first-time coach had made "rookie mistakes" in his first 100 days on the job. . . . .

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d810ba5bb&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

This is crappy journalism. Bowlen never said McD made "rookie mistakes." That's a flat out lie.

Woody Paige claimed Bowlen said that, but that's a whole different thing than Bowlen saying that.

TheReverend
06-10-2009, 03:48 PM
This is crappy journalism. Bowlen never said McD made "rookie mistakes." That's a flat out lie.

Woody Paige claimed Bowlen said that, but that's a whole different thing than Bowlen saying that.

Didn't Woody directly quote him on that one, actually?

Beantown Bronco
06-10-2009, 03:52 PM
Didn't Woody directly quote him on that one, actually?

Yup, he did.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_12281980

TheReverend
06-10-2009, 03:54 PM
Yup, he did.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_12281980

It was coming from Cito, so I shouldn't have bothered pondering the potential legitimacy.

Thanks for clearing it up. Won't happen again.

footstepsfrom#27
06-10-2009, 05:01 PM
Crap. Don't let Footsteps see this.
Hey. ;D

OBF1
06-10-2009, 05:32 PM
So it begins LOL

Northman
06-10-2009, 05:36 PM
Or if they go 4-0 people will love him.

Well, some wont. They would rather be right here on this forum than have the Broncos win.

Kaylore
06-10-2009, 06:04 PM
It was coming from Cito, so I shouldn't have bothered pondering the potential legitimacy.

Thanks for clearing it up. Won't happen again.

To be fair, people probably assume the Cutler issue is one of these "mistakes" mentioned, but there is no evidence that this is what Bowlen was referring to when he made that quote.

TheReverend
06-10-2009, 08:39 PM
To be fair, people probably assume the Cutler issue is one of these "mistakes" mentioned, but there is no evidence that this is what Bowlen was referring to when he made that quote.

Clearly he meant JJ Arrington :)

tsiguy96
06-10-2009, 08:45 PM
To be fair, people probably assume the Cutler issue is one of these "mistakes" mentioned, but there is no evidence that this is what Bowlen was referring to when he made that quote.

thats why its stupid to post that, who knows what he was referring to. pat bowlen is the reason cutler got traded, peter king reported pat bowlen had never been so insulted in his career as jay cutler insulted him.