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Bronco Rob
06-07-2009, 08:14 PM
1. Peyton Manning, QB, Colts. His football IQ is unmatched. He's remarkably accurate, the ultimate competitor and indispensable.


2. Adrian Peterson, RB, Vikings. He already is the NFL's best runner, and coaches say they'll finally throw him the ball this year.


3. Tom Brady, QB, Patriots. Brady and the Patriots feel like their '08 season was taken from them. He's healthy, and it's payback time.


4. DeMarcus Ware, OLB, Cowboys. He is a game-changer -- an elite pass rusher with a stunning combination of size, speed, strength and agility.


5. Larry Fitzgerald, WR, Cardinals. His postseason run is the stuff little boys and grown men dream about.


6. James Harrison, OLB, Steelers. His biggest plays come as a pass rusher, but he does everything well. A complete and dominant player, Harrison wants to prove '08 was no fluke.


7. Ed Reed, S, Ravens. An instinctive ballhawk, Reed is a future Hall of Famer and will continue to flourish in a system that won't change with the departure of Rex Ryan.


8. Andre Johnson, WR, Texans. He was unstoppable when the Texans had no one else to stop. With improved depth at wideout and the emergence of RB Steve Slaton and TE Owen Daniels, Johnson could move up the list.


9. Troy Polamalu, S, Steelers. The catalyst for the Steelers' Super Bowl runs, he is tough, smart, instinctive and versatile.


10. Reggie Wayne, WR, Colts. He has been the Colts' go-to guy for a couple of years, a guy who can make something special happen on every touch. Marvin Harrison's departure won't have an impact.


11. Shawne Merriman, OLB, Chargers. After a year on the sideline, he is determined to be a force again, and coordinator Ron Rivera will make that happen. If Merriman is healthy, he'll be the focus of an elite defense.


12. Nnamdi Asomugha, CB, Raiders. When Peyton Manning avoids Asomugha's side of the field, it tells you all you need to know about this guy. He is the NFL's top cover corner.


13. Drew Brees, QB, Saints. Reggie Bush, Jeremy Shockey and Marques Colston missed 15 games combined last year, and Brees -- with his quick release and dead-on accuracy -- still threw for 5,000 yards. With all his weapons in place, he'll lead the Saints back to the playoffs.


14. Jared Allen, DE, Vikings. He is an elite pass rusher and also is a force against the run who never gives up on a play. He is tough, playing through knee and shoulder injuries in '08.


15. Albert Haynesworth, DT, Redskins. He is a dominant run defender with the size and quickness to also be a disruptive pass rusher. His production might not justify his contract, but he'll absolutely improve the Redskins' defense in '09.


16. Ryan Clady, OT, Broncos. Standard bearers Walter Jones and Orlando Pace still are good, but Clady was the NFL's best pass protector as a rookie, and the biggest improvement in most NFL players comes between Years 1 and 2.


17. Julius Peppers, DE, Panthers. If he is going to play in '09, it's going to be in Carolina. He is coming off a career year, and the team is poised for another playoff run. If he can "accept" his $16.7 million, one-year contract, he should dominate again.


18. Jason Witten, TE, Cowboys. With Terrell Owens out of the picture, Witten will get even more looks from pal Tony Romo. Witten is an excellent blocker with the speed, hands and route-running ability to remain a top receiving threat.


19. Anquan Boldin, WR, Cardinals. A big, physical receiver, he makes his biggest plays after the catch. He shows great toughness catching balls over the middle, too.


20. Randy Moss, WR, Patriots. No one is more excited about the return of Brady than Moss. The two were unstoppable in '07, and there is little reason to think they won't pick up where they left off.


21. Brian Urlacher, MLB, Bears. Urlacher had a down year in '08, but with improved play up front, there's no reason he can't reassert himself as the do-it-all middle man in the Bears' cover 2 scheme.


22. Steve Hutchinson, G, Vikings. Peterson should be thankful for Hutchinson, one of the most physical and dominant run blockers in the game.


23. Dwight Freeney, DE, Colts. With 10 1/2 sacks, Freeney enjoyed a bounce-back year in '08. When healthy, his speed off the edge is unmatched.


24. Kevin Williams, DT, Vikings. The potential for a four-game suspension hurts his ranking, but he is one of the few players who can't be blocked one-on-one. He regularly beats double-teams and is an absolute force inside.


25. Steven Jackson, RB, Rams. The Rams will use a West Coast-style offense in '09 with a quarterback who never has played in the system and an inexperienced receiving unit. Jackson, a workhorse when healthy, will be more important than ever



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Los Broncos
06-07-2009, 08:17 PM
Nice to see Clady on that list.

tsiguy96
06-07-2009, 08:17 PM
someone explain how peyton or tom brady had a better year than drew brees...

Man-Goblin
06-07-2009, 08:37 PM
someone explain how peyton or tom brady had a better year than drew brees...

They are projecting '09. You're welcome.

Orange_Beard
06-07-2009, 08:41 PM
I am confused, is this last year or predictions for next year?

Bronco Rob
06-07-2009, 08:45 PM
I am confused, is this last year or predictions for next year?



RealScouts, Sporting News' team of former NFL scouts, projects the 25 players it expects to be most dominant in the upcoming season.

It's important to understand a couple of things. First, there are only 25 players on the list. By the time injury replacements were named, 97 players qualified for the Pro Bowl last season. So RealScouts had to skim the cream of the cream. Second, the overall list represents the 25 players they expect to be the best in 2009. In other words, it's a projection, not a salute to the past.




:welcome:

robbieopperude
06-07-2009, 09:10 PM
Shawne Merriman should not be on the list...otherwise pretty solid list.

gyldenlove
06-07-2009, 09:10 PM
5 players from that list who won't be mentioned anywhere near the top 25 at the end of season:

1. James Harrison, he had his one magic year and will fade back to becoming a solid but not special player.

2. Shawne Merriman, an entire year out of football and a new knee, he is going to be playing tentative at times and with Olshansky gone he won't get the help he needs.

3. Albert Haynesworth, he comes from an attack first 1 gap role, he won't have the freedom or help he had in Tennessee.

4. Brian Urlacher, he is just not as fast as he used to be. He is not even the best MLB in the league.

5. Dwight Freeney, he is not even the best DE on his own team.

robbieopperude
06-07-2009, 09:11 PM
I am still baffled why Denver doesn't try to get Peppers. Top 10 Defense player who can play DE or OLB. We could have had him.

Must be money vs mileage issue.

DenverBrit
06-07-2009, 09:14 PM
So they didn't like Cutler's chances in Chicago.

Maybe he would have made the 'list' in McPoopyPants' offense.

robbieopperude
06-07-2009, 09:18 PM
1. Disagree...Pitts scheme allows Harrison to be great. He is a product of the system but will have very good numbers again this year.
2. Agree...he won't be an all pro...he may go to pro bowl based on name recognition but I am going to call his over/under sack numbers at 9.
3. Disagree..Most dominating tackle in NFL. Tough to look at stats for him. I think he still dominates and you see teams like Giants, Phili, Dallas ypc go down when playing Wash.
4. Disagree...he is intelligent and a playmaker...not the best MLB in the NFL anymore but still elite..barely
5. Agree...he is burning out. I think he is still the best DE on his team and if he wasn't getting doubled team all the time his stats would look better. May still get his sacks but he isn't as disruptive as in the past.

5 players from that list who won't be mentioned anywhere near the top 25 at the end of season:

1. James Harrison, he had his one magic year and will fade back to becoming a solid but not special player.

2. Shawne Merriman, an entire year out of football and a new knee, he is going to be playing tentative at times and with Olshansky gone he won't get the help he needs.

3. Albert Haynesworth, he comes from an attack first 1 gap role, he won't have the freedom or help he had in Tennessee.

4. Brian Urlacher, he is just not as fast as he used to be. He is not even the best MLB in the league.

5. Dwight Freeney, he is not even the best DE on his own team.

epicSocialism4tw
06-07-2009, 10:09 PM
Ware is too high.

Witten isnt close to being a top-25 player. Dude's a TE, and isnt even the best TE in his division!

Reed is too high...should never be ranked ahead of Troy P.

Harrison is waaaay too high.

Haynesworth too low.

Shawn Merroid shouldnt be on this list at all.

mhgaffney
06-07-2009, 10:30 PM
Brady is better than Manning. Any day.

cutthemdown
06-07-2009, 10:49 PM
I am still baffled why Denver doesn't try to get Peppers. Top 10 Defense player who can play DE or OLB. We could have had him.

Must be money vs mileage issue.

Panthers refuse to trade him for anything less then 2 first round picks, that's why no offers for him. Teams only willing to part with 2 firsts for a starting QB or maybe someone like Peterson in minny.

boltaneer
06-07-2009, 11:04 PM
5 players from that list who won't be mentioned anywhere near the top 25 at the end of season:

1. James Harrison, he had his one magic year and will fade back to becoming a solid but not special player.

2. Shawne Merriman, an entire year out of football and a new knee, he is going to be playing tentative at times and with Olshansky gone he won't get the help he needs.

3. Albert Haynesworth, he comes from an attack first 1 gap role, he won't have the freedom or help he had in Tennessee.

4. Brian Urlacher, he is just not as fast as he used to be. He is not even the best MLB in the league.

5. Dwight Freeney, he is not even the best DE on his own team.

Merriman needs Olshansky? Now that's golden!

Merriman went on IR and Igor turned into the invisible man last year.

Once again, SportingNews releases another horrible list. I wouldn't be surprised to see Peyton struggle this year with all the changes going on in Indy.

400HZ
06-07-2009, 11:17 PM
5 players from that list who won't be mentioned anywhere near the top 25 at the end of season:

1. James Harrison, he had his one magic year and will fade back to becoming a solid but not special player.

2. Shawne Merriman, an entire year out of football and a new knee, he is going to be playing tentative at times and with Olshansky gone he won't get the help he needs.

3. Albert Haynesworth, he comes from an attack first 1 gap role, he won't have the freedom or help he had in Tennessee.

4. Brian Urlacher, he is just not as fast as he used to be. He is not even the best MLB in the league.

5. Dwight Freeney, he is not even the best DE on his own team.

Harrison had to wait his turn to get a shot as a starter since there were always talented players in front of him. He grabbed the opportunity and ran with it. There is no reason at all to expect a fall off from him.

There has never been anything tentative about Shawne Merriman's style of play. Drafting Larry English gives the Chargers flexibility when dealing with how much they want to use Merriman right away.

Tennessee's base defense has both DT's playing 2-gap assignments. He's a terror on pass downs as well. There is not a single defensive player in football who influences a game more than Haynesworth does. He should be higher on the list.

Dwight Freeney is probably the best pure pass rusher in the NFL. Robert Mathis? Was your entire list here a joke that nobody is getting?

Archer81
06-07-2009, 11:44 PM
Ware is too high.

Witten isnt close to being a top-25 player. Dude's a TE, and isnt even the best TE in his division!

Reed is too high...should never be ranked ahead of Troy P.

Harrison is waaaay too high.

Haynesworth too low.

Shawn Merroid shouldnt be on this list at all.




He is the most productive TE in his division, and with the departure of Owens, he will figure to be a target more often.

Harrison made the pivotal play in the superbowl. He'll be on any top whatever list until he proves otherwise.

Reed is a better safety than Troy P.

Agree on the rest.

:Broncos:

Archer81
06-07-2009, 11:45 PM
Chargers defense is far from elite, but I guess the media decides these things and not play on the field.

:Broncos:

Bigdawg26
06-07-2009, 11:46 PM
No Champ Bailey, Patrick Willis, or Brandon Marshall (who is better than Reggie Wayne) on the list?????? and Reggie Wayne, Urlacher (who isn't better than Ray Lewis, Vilma, or Patrick Willis) and Steven Jackson are too high. And Drew Brees should be higher.

FireFly
06-08-2009, 12:02 AM
Brady is better than Manning. Any day.

I don't think he is, and I don't think he ever has been.

The Patriots are the Patriots with or without Brady.

The Peyton Manning is the Colts.

Like him or hate him, dude has a brilliant football mind.

Edit: That's not to say that Brady doesn't have prettier numbers, its not all about the numbers when we're comparing player versus player.

FireFly
06-08-2009, 12:04 AM
No Champ Bailey, Patrick Willis, or Brandon Marshall (who is better than Reggie Wayne) on the list?????? and Reggie Wayne, Urlacher (who isn't better than Ray Lewis, Vilma, or Patrick Willis) and Steven Jackson are too high. And Drew Brees should be higher.

I agree that Steven Jackson probably doesn't deserve to be there, but he is very good.

Archer81
06-08-2009, 12:05 AM
Jackson led the NFL in scrimmage yards per game. Ahead of LT, Adrian Peterson and Brian Westbrook.

:Broncos:

Caveat Lector
06-08-2009, 01:00 AM
Jackson led the NFL in scrimmage yards per game. Ahead of LT, Adrian Peterson and Brian Westbrook.

:Broncos:

Ah yeah, when was that? 2006? The homy can't stay on the field, even Matt Forte should be on this list ahead of him...

BroncoBuff
06-08-2009, 01:03 AM
No Champ Bailey, Patrick Willis, or Brandon Marshall (who is better than Reggie Wayne) on the list?????? and Reggie Wayne, Urlacher (who isn't better than Ray Lewis, Vilma, or Patrick Willis) and Steven Jackson are too high. And Drew Brees should be higher.

This ... every word.

Archer81
06-08-2009, 01:07 AM
Ah yeah, when was that? 2006? The homy can't stay on the field, even Matt Forte should be on this list ahead of him...


Maybe. Considering the team he plays for the fact he breaks 1000 yards in 12 games is fairly impressive.


:Broncos:

TheReverend
06-08-2009, 01:32 AM
Great list start to finish.

TheReverend
06-08-2009, 01:38 AM
5 players from that list who won't be mentioned anywhere near the top 25 at the end of season:

1. James Harrison, he had his one magic year and will fade back to becoming a solid but not special player.

2. Shawne Merriman, an entire year out of football and a new knee, he is going to be playing tentative at times and with Olshansky gone he won't get the help he needs.

3. Albert Haynesworth, he comes from an attack first 1 gap role, he won't have the freedom or help he had in Tennessee.

4. Brian Urlacher, he is just not as fast as he used to be. He is not even the best MLB in the league.

5. Dwight Freeney, he is not even the best DE on his own team.

1. Entirely possible, but the rest of the Pitt D should keep him very relevant.

2. That's a possibilty. The other is that he's been the driving force to SD's D when it's been dominant. He also apparently had that injury at the end of 2007.

3. Sorry man. You know I love and respect your opinion, but that's false. Tenn ran a bates scheme, so both DTs were 2 gapping. Now, it might be more difficult to make him effective without Vandenbosch at his side, but Wash did draft for this purpose.

4. Agreed. Sadly, Ray Lewis still is and Willis a close 2nd that will probably over take this season. Urlacher is STILL elite though.

5. Takes a skewed POV for your point to take effect. As far ass pass rush goes, Dwight demands more attention freeing up the other side more. As for vs the run, Raegor doesn't even really come in on run downs, does he? I dunno with 100% certainty because I haven't followed the Colts closely, BUT I'm gonna follow the $ on this one and have to say by sheer volume of dollars you're wrong.

TheReverend
06-08-2009, 01:40 AM
So they didn't like Cutler's chances in Chicago.

Maybe he would have made the 'list' in McPoopyPants' offense.

Peyton, Brady and Brees were the only QBs to make the list.

Or are you just trying to be a ****head?

TheReverend
06-08-2009, 01:41 AM
Witten isnt close to being a top-25 player. Dude's a TE, and isnt even the best TE in his division!

Wait... what...?

Cooley, Boss or Celek? Rofl!!!!!!!!!

TheReverend
06-08-2009, 01:43 AM
Merriman needs Olshansky? Now that's golden!

Merriman went on IR and Igor turned into the invisible man last year.

Once again, SportingNews releases another horrible list. I wouldn't be surprised to see Peyton struggle this year with all the changes going on in Indy.

What was "horrible" about this list?

Shawne got the respect he deserved after SDs flounder without him last season, and in all fairness, as talented as SD is, no one else deserves a top 25 spot atm.

TheReverend
06-08-2009, 01:46 AM
I don't think he is, and I don't think he ever has been.

The Patriots are the Patriots with or without Brady.

The Peyton Manning is the Colts.

Like him or hate him, dude has a brilliant football mind.

Edit: That's not to say that Brady doesn't have prettier numbers, its not all about the numbers when we're comparing player versus player.

Brady doesn't have prettier numbers.

He barely set the record in Week 17.

When Peyton set the record, he sat week 17 (against us, remember?) because there's no point to running up the numbers.

Brady's a little queer bag compared to Peyton.

BroncoMan4ever
06-08-2009, 02:13 AM
I am still baffled why Denver doesn't try to get Peppers. Top 10 Defense player who can play DE or OLB. We could have had him.

Must be money vs mileage issue.

oh this topic again.

who says he can play OLB in a 3-4 for us? he says he can, but that is just talk to maximize his possibile destinations for getting his cash.

he had a career year in a contract year, and the year before that only 2.5 sacks, so it is hard to say whether he had an off year 2 seasons ago, or if he is on the decline and gave all he had last season to get paid. he is about to hit the 30 year old peak for players. And yes there are guys like Strahan who performed well into their 30s at his position, but the majority decline in ability.
he is going to want a deal a little bigger than Jared Allen got from the Vikings, and considering the cash, his age, and the length of the deal, he isn;t worth it.

if we were a good DE away from being a super bowl team, and we could get him on a 1 or 2 year deal i would be all for it, but i am against breaking the bank on a guy about to be on the decline(possibly already is) and try to put him in a new position in a new defense, on a team that more than likely is at least 2 seasons away from being a legit super bowl contender.

we may make the playoffs this year and next, but we are not going to seriously compete for a super bowl for at least 2 years.

BroncoMan4ever
06-08-2009, 02:15 AM
Great list start to finish.

Brandon Marshall should be on the list. over 200 receptions and 2600 receiving yards the last 2 seasons, going into a contract year, another year removed from the arm injury.

he is going to have a monster of a season, and should be on the list of the top 25

TheReverend
06-08-2009, 02:53 AM
Brandon Marshall should be on the list. over 200 receptions and 2600 receiving yards the last 2 seasons, going into a contract year, another year removed from the arm injury.

he is going to have a monster of a season, and should be on the list of the top 25

Over what WR?

Fitz? Q? Wayne? Moss?

Sorry, I love Brandon, but he's gonna have to prove he can it without Jay throwing him the ball every other down before he truly belongs in that company.

A 1200 yard + season with Orton, and sure, he'll be in there.

Odds of that happening?

1:150

Kaylore
06-08-2009, 03:02 AM
I don't mind Brady on the list. I do mind him at third. There will be rust. He's lost a year, a ligament and an offensive coordinator. I think he'll bounce back but I doubt he's the third best player next year.

TheReverend
06-08-2009, 03:15 AM
I don't mind Brady on the list. I do mind him at third. There will be rust. He's lost a year, a ligament and an offensive coordinator. I think he'll bounce back but I doubt he's the third best player next year.

In four words: Randy Moss, Wes Welker.

Kaylore
06-08-2009, 03:19 AM
In four words: Randy Moss, Wes Welker.

Three: Old and rust.

TheReverend
06-08-2009, 03:24 AM
Three: Old and rust.

Entirely possible. However, he's only one year removed from being a consensus #1 on lists like these and as far as the injury goes, he's ahead of schedule, and it's not like his arm was ripped off.

BroncoBuff
06-08-2009, 03:31 AM
Great list start to finish.

If Boldin's on the list, B-Marsh should be too. He is as good a player and his outlook is more solid this year.

Champ is a sad omission ... Urlacher and Freeney, no way.

Kaylore
06-08-2009, 03:33 AM
Entirely possible. However, he's only one year removed from being a consensus #1 on lists like these and as far as the injury goes, he's ahead of schedule, and it's not like his arm was ripped off.

No, but I'm not arguing that he'll suck or be even average. I think his performance will be comparable to Peyton Manning's last year on the bum knee. It's not bad and certainly a top five QB, but he won't be a top three player in the NFL. FWIW I also don't think Manning will be the "best" player in the NFL next year, either.

TheReverend
06-08-2009, 03:34 AM
If Boldin's on the list, B-Marsh should be too. He is as good a player and his outlook is more solid this year.

Champ is a sad omission ... Urlacher and Freeney, no way.

Really?

Because Boldin has been immensely successful even under scrub QBs like King and McCown. Remains to be seen with Brandon.

Warner > Orton

Anyone that doesn't think so should be genetically cleansed from the gene pool

TheReverend
06-08-2009, 03:35 AM
No, but I'm not arguing that he'll suck or be even average. I think his performance will be comparable to Peyton Manning's last year on the bum knee. It's not bad and certainly a top five QB, but he won't be a top three player in the NFL. FWIW I also don't think Manning will be the "best" player in the NFL next year, either.

Fair and grounded in realism.

However, with such a premium on QBs, what do you expect?

As for your point on Peyton last year after surgery: Who won the league MVP again?

Kaylore
06-08-2009, 03:37 AM
Fair and grounded in realism.

However, with such a premium on QBs, what do you expect?

As for your point on Peyton last year after surgery: Who won the league MVP again?

And he totally deserved it but he wasn't the "best player" last year. This is the Steve Nash vs. Kobe argument.

TheReverend
06-08-2009, 03:40 AM
And he totally deserved it but he wasn't the "best player" last year. This is the Steve Nash vs. Kobe argument.

Wait... sarcasm, or contradicting statements?

Personally, I don't think he deserved it. But he played very well and won it... and McNair did NOT deserve to share the award with him once upon a time so karma gave him a prize, imo.

Kaylore
06-08-2009, 03:50 AM
Wait... sarcasm, or contradicting statements?

Personally, I don't think he deserved it. But he played very well and won it... and McNair did NOT deserve to share the award with him once upon a time so karma gave him a prize, imo.

Ok, Warner probably deserved it more, but Manning went through a lot and pulled his team into the playoffs with the injury. It was definitely an MVP-worthy performance.

And I'd like to add Daunte to your list of "did not deserve."

TheReverend
06-08-2009, 03:57 AM
Ok, Warner probably deserved it more, but Manning went through a lot and pulled his team into the playoffs with the injury. It was definitely an MVP-worthy performance.

And I'd like to add Daunte to your list of "did not deserve."

Rarely are true-er words spoken.

Warner, Brees and Jay deserved it more than Peyton last year, imo.

Manning managed 3 pts (I think?) against Cleveland AFTER fully recovering? Solid team effort in Indy last season, imo.

FireFly
06-08-2009, 06:48 AM
Brady doesn't have prettier numbers.

He barely set the record in Week 17.

When Peyton set the record, he sat week 17 (against us, remember?) because there's no point to running up the numbers.

Brady's a little queer bag compared to Peyton.

My point is, Peyton is better. Much Better.

Also, regarding my statement concerning number, lots of people point to the fact that Brady has more Super Bowl rings. To that I say, he had a better team around him. It doesn't make him the better QB.

BroncoBuff
06-08-2009, 07:06 AM
Warner > Orton

Anyone that doesn't think so should be genetically cleansed from the gene pool

I was talking Marshall vs. Boldin, knucklehead.

Go cleanse yourself :~ohyah!:

Pat Bowlen
06-08-2009, 07:08 AM
Witten isnt close to being a top-25 player. Dude's a TE, and isnt even the best TE in his division!
To me, Gonzo is still the best in the league. Witten is up there, however.

Also, Manning is the best QB in the league by a mile.

alamosa bronco
06-08-2009, 07:08 AM
is marriman back on the juice !!

cmhargrove
06-08-2009, 07:14 AM
They didn't even mention Selvin Young? He's gonna get 2k somewhere...
:wiggle:

Mediator12
06-08-2009, 07:20 AM
5 players from that list who won't be mentioned anywhere near the top 25 at the end of season:

1. James Harrison, he had his one magic year and will fade back to becoming a solid but not special player.

2. Shawne Merriman, an entire year out of football and a new knee, he is going to be playing tentative at times and with Olshansky gone he won't get the help he needs.

3. Albert Haynesworth, he comes from an attack first 1 gap role, he won't have the freedom or help he had in Tennessee.

4. Brian Urlacher, he is just not as fast as he used to be. He is not even the best MLB in the league.

5. Dwight Freeney, he is not even the best DE on his own team.

1. Teams will acccount for him much better than they did last year, but remember that is the preeminent pass rushing position on the best most consistent defense in football. I would be shocked if he did not end up on the short list of DPY again.

2. Merriman will be back in Rivera's Defense. They have gone back to the attacking style of Phillips that suits Merriman's rush abilities over having to drop more into coverage. If they were still using the system they started with last year I would agree.

3. Haynesworth is a huge gamble for WAS. However, that defense has always playeed better than the sum of its parts. If Haynesworth buys in, he will still be the best DT in the league IMHO. If he shuts it down after getting the big contract, he is merely a top 5 DT that WAS has not had in decades, if ever. He will impact that already solid defense with his mere presence, but how will he respond to getting paid?

4. Urlacher has been a very solid LB for CHI but he has been extremely dependent on the quality of the DT's in front of him. His best years were with monster DT's eating up space in front of him. With Rod Marinelli becoming their DL coach (He just might be the best DL coach in the league), I do not think Tommie Harris will be as average as he was to start last year and their other DT (should be Dvoracek) will be more disciplined in the scheme so he can just run to the ball. I think Urlacher should project better this year than he played last year which was just out of the top 5 MLB's.

5. Freeney is much better than you think and Coyer is going to change the way the Colts play their defensive fronts. As much as I love Mathis, he still a spot Pass rush specialist (Albeit the best in the NFL) and not an everydown player. I really think Freeney and Mathis will push the league lead in sacks this year as their DT position has improved dramatically and the inside push will finally drive QB's into their pressure. Remember, Pressure is more important than sacks to a pass rush. Sacks are the glitzy numbers, but consistent pressure is what makes a pass rush with getting sacks along the way. Freeney had 20+ pressures to go his 10.5 sacks last year AFTER coming off lisfranc surgery early in the year. He is completely healthy now and INDY's defense is going to surprise some people at the start of the season.

DenverBrit
06-08-2009, 07:38 AM
Peyton, Brady and Brees were the only QBs to make the list.

Or are you just trying to be a ****head?

What? After all the press criticism of the Cutler trade....how he will rejuvenate Chicago and what a huge loss and mistake it was for Denver, I would have expected Cutler to have made that list....or any other that lists players having a big 09.

The question is valid: Would he have made that list if he was in McDaniels offensive scheme in 09?

There being only 3 QBs on the list has nothing to do with anything, IMO.

Bigdawg26
06-08-2009, 09:21 AM
Sorry, I love Brandon, but he's gonna have to prove he can it without Jay throwing him the ball every other down before he truly belongs in that company.

Ugh Reggie Wayne has Gonzo, Marvin(well had marvin), and Dallas Clark so you couldn't double him and he had frickin Peyton Manning throwing to him.

gyldenlove
06-08-2009, 09:41 AM
Harrison had to wait his turn to get a shot as a starter since there were always talented players in front of him. He grabbed the opportunity and ran with it. There is no reason at all to expect a fall off from him.

There has never been anything tentative about Shawne Merriman's style of play. Drafting Larry English gives the Chargers flexibility when dealing with how much they want to use Merriman right away.

Tennessee's base defense has both DT's playing 2-gap assignments. He's a terror on pass downs as well. There is not a single defensive player in football who influences a game more than Haynesworth does. He should be higher on the list.

Dwight Freeney is probably the best pure pass rusher in the NFL. Robert Mathis? Was your entire list here a joke that nobody is getting?

Harrison is also on the wrong side of 31 and he is not in a contract year. With your logic there is no reason why Jerry Rice isn't still putting up 1000+ yards.

Merriman has also never sat out an entire year with a busted knee, I know it is not kosher to pick on poor little Shawne, but drafting English shows that they are not all that confident in his ability to come back. You said it yourself, they are not even going to play him every down.

How is Dwight Freeney the best pass rusher? have you been watching football at all the last 3 years? As soon as he got his big contract (funny how that works) he faded away. Jared Allen is miles ahead of Freeney as a pass rusher, Mario Williams is better at every aspect of the game except looking the other way when the runningback runs by, even Suggs is better as a pass rusher.

boltaneer
06-08-2009, 10:22 AM
What was "horrible" about this list?

Shawne got the respect he deserved after SDs flounder without him last season, and in all fairness, as talented as SD is, no one else deserves a top 25 spot atm.

Actually the top of the list I don't have too much of a problem with except with Ware (too high IMO) and Harrison (shouldn't even be near the top ten) and as I commented earlier, I don't see Peyton being the best player this year with all the turmoil going on in Indy and while I understand why one would rank Brady that high, I wouldn't be surprised either if he struggles coming back from the injury.

From eleven on, I disagree with all but a few of the picks. And it's not about the number of Chargers on this list BTW. But the only omission would be Rivers.

boltaneer
06-08-2009, 10:29 AM
Merriman has also never sat out an entire year with a busted knee, I know it is not kosher to pick on poor little Shawne, but drafting English shows that they are not all that confident in his ability to come back. You said it yourself, they are not even going to play him every down.


I haven't heard that they're not going to play Merriman every down anywhere. That's interesting if true.

The drafting of English could be for various reasons and no one really knows why yet.

It could be over concern about Merriman's knees.

It could be because Merriman is in a contract year and they don't think they will be able to re-sign him.

It could be because of what AJ Smith said: That they want to get stronger in the pass rush. The Giants won their Super Bowl because of their three deep pass rush.

It's probably a combination of all three though.

Beantown Bronco
06-08-2009, 10:58 AM
If the list doesn't include John Engleberger, it's not worth my time.

400HZ
06-08-2009, 11:13 AM
Harrison is also on the wrong side of 31 and he is not in a contract year. With your logic there is no reason why Jerry Rice isn't still putting up 1000+ yards.

Merriman has also never sat out an entire year with a busted knee, I know it is not kosher to pick on poor little Shawne, but drafting English shows that they are not all that confident in his ability to come back. You said it yourself, they are not even going to play him every down.

How is Dwight Freeney the best pass rusher? have you been watching football at all the last 3 years? As soon as he got his big contract (funny how that works) he faded away. Jared Allen is miles ahead of Freeney as a pass rusher, Mario Williams is better at every aspect of the game except looking the other way when the runningback runs by, even Suggs is better as a pass rusher.

If you watch James Harrison rush the passer, his success is based around violent physicality and relentlessness a lot more than it is around twitch quickness. He will also continue to be surrounded by talented players which makes him that much more effective. Last year Pittsburgh had possibly the best defense since the 2001 Ravens. This year they drafted another stud for that side of the ball with their very first pick. Are you trying to knock him by comparing him to Jerry Rice? Jerry Rice was putting up 1000 yard seasons when he was 38 years old.

Dwight Freeney "faded away" into a 10.5 sack season last year. What "faded away" was the Colts pass rush in 2007 when he broke his foot and they had to rely on Robert Mathis (who is better than Freeney?)

We'll see if Merriman has issues this coming year, but I'd be willing to bet almost anything that one of those issues will not be "tentativeness" like you said. His personally will not allow that. It's actually one of the reasons why he needs surgury after every season, like the torn labrum in '06 and knee in '07. I think he'll have a big year if other members of the Chargers defense step up like they have in the past.

SoDak Bronco
06-08-2009, 11:46 AM
Meriman is going to just get owned by Clady..anyone want to bet?

BroncoMan4ever
06-08-2009, 12:22 PM
Over what WR?

Fitz? Q? Wayne? Moss?

Sorry, I love Brandon, but he's gonna have to prove he can it without Jay throwing him the ball every other down before he truly belongs in that company.

A 1200 yard + season with Orton, and sure, he'll be in there.

Odds of that happening?

1:150

he could easily have gone ahead of Steven Jackson, Freeney(not even the best DE on his team), Urlacher(not really amongst the elite MLB anymore)

he should be on the list, in the 20s but he should be on the list.

boltaneer
06-08-2009, 12:24 PM
Meriman is going to just get owned by Clady..anyone want to bet?

Now that will be a fun matchup to watch! I get the feeling both guys will have their moments.

BroncoMan4ever
06-08-2009, 12:26 PM
If Boldin's on the list, B-Marsh should be too. He is as good a player and his outlook is more solid this year.

Champ is a sad omission ... Urlacher and Freeney, no way.

yes, Champ not being on the list sucks, but if that means teams are going to try and challenge him, i like that. because he will make you pay, when you try to challenge him.

with improved play from the front 7, Champ wil be able to concentrate solely on his man, and because of that and with QBs thinking they can challenge him, he is going to have a good year.

BlaK-Argentina
06-08-2009, 12:47 PM
he could easily have gone ahead of Steven Jackson, Freeney(not even the best DE on his team), Urlacher(not really amongst the elite MLB anymore)

he should be on the list, in the 20s but he should be on the list.

I'm as skeptical as the next guy when it comes to off-the-field Marshall, but there's no denying that he truly is a beast and should be on this list. Am I the only one that would take him over any WR not named Fitzerald?

And I'm sure if Champ stays healthy he will still be the best. He was putting on a clinic against Randy Moss last year before he got hurt.

What, no Kyle Orton??

SoDak Bronco
06-08-2009, 12:57 PM
Now that will be a fun matchup to watch! I get the feeling both guys will have their moments.

I'm thinking it will be a onesided affair w/your boy getting OWNED.

boltaneer
06-08-2009, 03:07 PM
I'm thinking it will be a onesided affair w/your boy getting OWNED.
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Caveat Lector
06-08-2009, 04:45 PM
Where's George Foster? You could argue he made some of the players on this list 'great'...

Bronco Rob
06-09-2009, 11:03 AM
If the list doesn't include John Engleberger, it's not worth my time.













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