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epicSocialism4tw
06-02-2009, 08:50 AM
Racism is still very real all over Europe.

An American soccer player has lodged a formal complaint in the player on an opposing team in what could be a landmark, precedence-setting case that could set a new standard for the behavior of people all over Europe in regards to racism.

American Oguchi "Gooch" Onyewu has stood up for the legions of African-descended players all over Europe.

Yet another reason to be proud to be an American.

Onyewu "wants to contribute to eradicate such behavior in football," his court papers said.

"A great many lesser-known African players don't have the stature to publicly denounce the insult they suffer on the pitch," Dupont said. "With Oguchi, it is different."

Unlike the racist chants that cascade from the stands in some European nations, the racist taunts on the field are often whispered in a player's ear when referees are out of earshot.

Racism from the stands has been going for years, with fans making money chants and throwing bananas at black players. Soccer officials have long condemned it and fined clubs.


http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=652062&sec=americansabroad&&&cc=5901

Spider
06-02-2009, 08:59 AM
Soccer isnt even a sport

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 09:03 AM
Throwing bananas? Racist chants? I am appalled! Sad times and no place for that for sure--but they PALE in comparison to what is happening in Africa right now--not just words--but ACTIONS--amazing how the media is IGNORING genocide against whites........



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broncofan7
06-02-2009, 09:11 AM
I cannot believe that S Africa was given the rights to host the World Cup next year--THAT is a travesty as well given the background of this crumbling country.

Dagmar
06-02-2009, 09:14 AM
http://strangeherring.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/rush-limbaugh.jpg

The Joker
06-02-2009, 09:15 AM
Racism is still very real all over Europe.

Yeah, you guys should be really proud of what you've done in the USA. Racism free for over ten years now, congratulations!

Anyway, the guy he's making the allegations against is named Jelle Van Damme. :rofl:

Hopefully they'll find some witnesses willing to back up Onyewu's statements if this is true. Very hard to prove this otherwise as players can't be miked up in soccer so it's one guys word against another.

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 09:18 AM
http://strangeherring.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/rush-limbaugh.jpg

I provide FACTS about the targeted killings of white people and you respond with a picture of a right wing windbag??.......I understand the inner turmoil that my NON-Politically- Correct post must have caused you--now go ahead and get back in line now.......

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 09:19 AM
Yeah, you guys should be really proud of what you've done in the USA. Racism free for over ten years now, congratulations!

Anyway, the guy he's making the allegations against is named Jelle Van Damme. :rofl:

Hopefully they'll find some witnesses willing to back up Onyewu's statements if this is true. Very hard to prove this otherwise as players can't be miked up in soccer so it's one guys word against another.

any relation to Jean-Claude? ;)

SonOfLe-loLang
06-02-2009, 09:25 AM
I provide FACTS about the targeted killings of white people and you respond with a picture of a right wing windbag??.......I understand the inner turmoil that my NON-Politically- Correct post must have caused you--now go ahead and get back in line now.......

What a strange reaction you had to that.

Anyway, yes appalling, but racism is hardly dead here in the states. Look no further than the comments re: the sotomayor nomination

Bigdawg26
06-02-2009, 09:32 AM
You would be crazy and ignorant to believe that racism doesn't exist in the states. As an African American, there are so many examples that go on in our daily lives that indicate racism still exists (and racial profiles because of your skin color, racial slurs between crowds, being thought of as stupid and uneducated, women clutching their purse when walking by, still being served last in bars, etc.). Only the most extreme cases of racisms hits the news such as one of the most recent the Jena 6 also.

The Jena Six are a group of six black (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American) teenagers charged (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_charge) with the beating of Justin Barker, a white (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_American) student at Jena High School (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jena_High_School) in Jena (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jena,_Louisiana), Louisiana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana), United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States), on December 4, 2006. Barker was injured, but was released from the emergency room the same day.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-wapo_0-0>[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jena_Six#cite_note-wapo-0)</SUP> He has since brought suit against members of the Jena Six, their parents, the school district, and others allegedly involved.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-USA_Today_1-0>[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jena_Six#cite_note-USA_Today-1)</SUP>
A number of events took place in and around Jena in the months preceding the Barker assault, which have been linked to an alleged escalation of racial tensions. These events included the hanging of nooses (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noose) from a tree in the high school courtyard, two violent confrontations between white and black youths, and the destruction by fire of the main building of Jena High School. The incidents were often linked in the extensive news coverage regarding the Jena Six.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-NPR_2-0>[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jena_Six#cite_note-NPR-2)</SUP>
Six individuals (Robert Bailey, then aged 17; Mychal Bell, then 16; Carwin Jones, then 18; Bryant Purvis, then 17; Jesse Ray Beard, then 14; and Theo Shaw, then 17) were arrested (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrest) in the assault on Barker. One, Mychal Bell, was initially convicted as an adult of aggravated battery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault#Aggravated_assault) and conspiracy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_(crime)) to commit aggravated battery. His convictions were overturned on the ground that he should have been tried as a juvenile (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_(law)). Prior to a retrial in juvenile court (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juvenile_court), he pled guilty to a reduced charge of simple battery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_(crime)). The other five defendants still await trial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial#Criminal_trial).

Dagmar
06-02-2009, 09:36 AM
I provide FACTS about the targeted killings of white people and you respond with a picture of a right wing windbag??.......I understand the inner turmoil that my NON-Politically- Correct post must have caused you--now go ahead and get back in line now.......

http://www.capmag.com/images2y346y/comics/cf/AffirmativeRacism-X.gif

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 09:37 AM
What a strange reaction you had to that.

Anyway, yes appalling, but racism is hardly dead here in the states. Look no further than the comments re: the sotomayor nomination

I agree--her making the relation between her ethnicity and gender and an inherent ability to make better judicial judgements than a white male was truly disgusting and appalling.......and some people actually defended those statements as benign......

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 09:40 AM
http://www.capmag.com/images2y346y/comics/cf/AffirmativeRacism-X.gif

Exactly--you are apparently unable to take anything seriously......

Garcia Bronco
06-02-2009, 09:41 AM
I thought there was only racism here in America. You mean to tell me it happens in grand old Europe as well?

Dagmar
06-02-2009, 09:48 AM
Exactly--you are apparently unable to take anything seriously......

http://a3.vox.com/6a00d09e58b435be2b00fad6b2cf630005-320pi

Rock Chalk
06-02-2009, 09:49 AM
Racism isnt going away people.

We all perpetuate it, regardless of our race.

Black people, hispanics, asians, whites, arabs. If racism were dead, then people wouldnt bother living in ethnic communities. It would be just fine to truly be mixed around.

However, I think the point of this thread, or what Im taking for it, is those uppity ****ing euro trash talk down about the US and how bad it is here but those dip****s are so decadent, and so downright snobbish that you wouldnt catch me dead anywhere in Europe.

Id be willing to just wipe the slate clean and get rid of the whole ****ing continenet. Piece of **** euro trash. Then they come over here and have the god damn audacity to talk **** about our country? Get the **** out fags.

OABB
06-02-2009, 09:53 AM
did they eat the bananas? It could all be a big misunderstanding.

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 09:57 AM
http://a3.vox.com/6a00d09e58b435be2b00fad6b2cf630005-320pi

I hope that was photoshopped.......

Dagmar
06-02-2009, 10:00 AM
I hope that was photoshopped.......

Clearly not. Racism exists everywhere.

OABB
06-02-2009, 10:04 AM
Clearly not. Racism exists everywhere.

really? I thought it ended when the Jews took over hollywood and made all those movies about how racism is wrong.

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 10:10 AM
Clearly not. Racism exists everywhere.

Yet you only seem to take racism perpetuated by Caucasians seriously--your double standard is blindingly clear and not appreciated and it is racist in spirit...

OABB
06-02-2009, 10:18 AM
Racism isnt going away people.

We all perpetuate it, regardless of our race.

Black people, hispanics, asians, whites, arabs. If racism were dead, then people wouldnt bother living in ethnic communities. It would be just fine to truly be mixed around.

However, I think the point of this thread, or what Im taking for it, is those uppity ****ing euro trash talk down about the US and how bad it is here but those dip****s are so decadent, and so downright snobbish that you wouldnt catch me dead anywhere in Europe.

Id be willing to just wipe the slate clean and get rid of the whole ****ing continenet. Piece of **** euro trash. Then they come over here and have the god damn audacity to talk **** about our country? Get the **** out fags.

excellent post! Europeans are terrible prejudice, only it's a class issue more than a racial one...they are making progress!

DomCasual
06-02-2009, 10:20 AM
http://a3.vox.com/6a00d09e58b435be2b00fad6b2cf630005-320pi

This seems like an ill-conceived plan, on a lot of levels.

Spider
06-02-2009, 10:21 AM
how can it be racism when it isnt even a sporting event

DenverBrit
06-02-2009, 10:23 AM
It would be quicker to name countries where racism doesn't exist.

Good luck with that!

DenverBrit
06-02-2009, 10:24 AM
how can it be racism when it isnt even a sporting event

:stirstir:

TailgateNut
06-02-2009, 10:53 AM
Throwing bananas? Racist chants? I am appalled! Sad times and no place for that for sure--but they PALE in comparison to what is happening in Africa right now--not just words--but ACTIONS--amazing how the media is IGNORING genocide against whites........



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The Italian Stallion to the rescue of the poor white folk. They've been on the receiving end of racial discrimination for WAY TOO LONG!

You show your true COLORS!

Dagmar
06-02-2009, 11:02 AM
This seems like an ill-conceived plan, on a lot of levels.

I'm hoping he was hit by a semi and his lack of helmet further increased his brain damage.

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 11:03 AM
The Italian Stallion to the rescue of the poor white folk. They've been on the receiving end of racial discrimination for WAY TOO LONG!

You show your true COLORS!

You are such a whiny PUSS-E it is hard to fathom--and You're correct (for once)...I place more stock in ACTIONS over words--and it is quite apparent that the killing of people should be getting more attention than racist speak...........yet it doesn't. And why is that so? Because this world is full of dullards like you. Average is just that...normal, & common--and so are your false beliefs.........your inability to think outside the box is quite telling.

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 11:05 AM
I'm hoping he was hit by a semi and his lack of helmet further increased his brain damage.

And he still might be a more honest thinker than you.........

Los Broncos
06-02-2009, 11:29 AM
Only in soccer man.

TheReverend
06-02-2009, 11:40 AM
About time this thread title popped up!






Kidding!

Dagmar
06-02-2009, 11:40 AM
And he still might be a more honest thinker than you.........

Oh no, an internet stranger from Texas doesn't like me! :thumbs:

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 11:42 AM
Only in soccer man.

Obviously, trash talking happens in football as well, I can recall Ricky Proehl talking about how DB's would call him 'slow white boy'--but racist chants going throughout the crowd? That's a bit unsettling........

TailgateNut
06-02-2009, 11:50 AM
You are such a whiny PUSS-E it is hard to fathom--and You're correct (for once)...I place more stock in ACTIONS over words--and it is quite apparent that the killing of people should be getting more attention than racist speak...........yet it doesn't. And why is that so? Because this world is full of dullards like you. Average is just that...normal, & common--and so are your false beliefs.........your inability to think outside the box is quite telling.


I'm not the one constantly "WHINING". That seems to be your forte'.

Your "white power" rants are tiring, at best.

TheReverend
06-02-2009, 11:54 AM
Honestly, did anyone think this thread title was a good idea...?

This thing can only explode over the next couple days.

SonOfLe-loLang
06-02-2009, 11:55 AM
I agree--her making the relation between her ethnicity and gender and an inherent ability to make better judicial judgements than a white male was truly disgusting and appalling.......and some people actually defended those statements as benign......

Ummm, i was referring to what conservative radio hosts and right wing politicians are saying about her. So we don't agree.

You are one angry white dude.

Bigdawg26
06-02-2009, 11:56 AM
I can also recall people getting on Byron Leftwich because he was a pocket passer and it was assumed that he would be a mobile quarterback because he's black.

Spider
06-02-2009, 11:59 AM
;D there is one place where I experience lot of racism ......... An Indian res .. Maybe Broncofan7 can get his activism ass in there and do some good .......PS I still hate that tee shirt that is popular on a Res .........
http://dailyupload.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/original-homeland-security.jpeg

Spider
06-02-2009, 12:00 PM
I can also recall people getting on Byron Leftwich because he was a pocket passer and it was assumed that he would be a mobile quarterback because he's black.

well Duh everyone knows white men cant jump and black people cant Pass from the pocket

SonOfLe-loLang
06-02-2009, 12:01 PM
;D there is one place where I experience lot of racism ......... An Indian res .. Maybe Broncofan7 can get his activism ass in there and do some good .......PS I still hate that tee shirt that is popular on a Res .........
http://dailyupload.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/original-homeland-security.jpeg

haha c'mon, thats kinda funny

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 12:03 PM
I'm not the one constantly "WHINING". That seems to be your forte'.

Your "white power" rants are tiring, at best.

How do my posts indicate 'white power'? The disconnect among the neurons and synapses in your head is noteworthy--you really should donate your 'brain' to medicine. NOW.

Spider
06-02-2009, 12:03 PM
haha c'mon, thats kinda funny

no it is not funny .........And from a personal experience , do not walk up to Native Americans wearing that shirt and ask him where all the squaws are ........I barely made it off the Arapaho res in one piece

TheReverend
06-02-2009, 12:04 PM
So if I post this here is it racial or just funny?

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vancejohnson82
06-02-2009, 12:05 PM
This happened a few years back..and I've never really understood how it got swept under the rug so nicely. I don't want to get involved on the racism thing, because we all should know that it goes both ways. However, we should open up our minds to the fact that there are hate crimes that go the other way and there are no marches or protests...


Shocking Torture, Rape and Murder of White Couple Exposes Racist Media

people reading this have never heard the names of the young White couple at the University of Tennessee who were brutally raped, tortured and murdered by five African Americans. They were Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom. Practically everyone in America has heard the name of James Byrd, Jr., the African American ex-con who was murdered by three White ex-cons in Jasper, Texas. There have been profiles of Byrd and his murder and the dragging of his body on dozens of national TV programs in America, Canada, and Europe and around the world. His grieving family was interviewed frequently on national news programs and his funeral was attended by leading politicians and dignitaries from all over America and many foreign countries. After Byrd met his death in 1998, the aspects of the murder and the trial of the perpetrators made front page news for almost two years. Since that time hardly a month has gone by without major news stories and commentaries about the Byrd killing. A search of Google News shows that articles still appear about this extremely rare case in which Whites killed a Black. In the Galveston Daily News there was a story on March 9 revealing an opening of a major photo exhibit dealing with the Byrd case.
In the Channon Christian, Christopher Newsom case, a young White couple was kidnapped, raped, tortured and murdered. Four Black males and one Black female brutally raped Channon while Christopher was beaten and forced to look on, then the Black attackers cut Christopher’s penis off and he was set afire. The five Blacks beat and raped Channon, sodomized her, forced oral sex upon her, cut off her breasts and poured toxic cleaning fluid down her mouth in an attempt to destroy DNA evidence. Channon’s and Christopher’s body parts were recovered a few days later.
Here a summary of the horrendous crime by a writer who has researched it thoroughly:

“Newsom was kidnapped, raped and beaten. According to reports, his penis was then cut off before he was shot several times and set on fire, all while his girlfriend watched. His body was then dumped alongside train tracks. Christian was kept alive and gang-raped multiple times over a span of four days. Her breast was cut off while she was still alive and her kidnappers sprayed cleaning fluid into her mouth to cleanse it of DNA. Her body was then put into a garbage can.” — from (http://media.www.diamondbackonline.com/media/storage/paper873/news/2007/04/04/Opinion/Not-A.Black.And.White.Issue-2820754.shtml) The Diamondback newspaper at the University of Maryland

I and every American condemn the brutal murder of James Byrd, but we must also condemn the media that make an international story of White ex-cons killing a Black ex-con (who was in and out of prison 7 times), but that somehow find the story of the brutal torture, rape and murder of a young White couple not worthy of a line of news coverage outside of Knoxville. I even went back and looked at the local Knoxville news coverage of the Newsom and Christian murder and compared it to the local Knoxville coverage at the time of the Byrd case. I found that even in Knoxville itself coverage of Byrd’s murder a thousand miles away in Texas received far more coverage than this brutal torture, rape and slaying. Covering James Byrd’s death was more important to the local press than the murder of two of Knoxville’s own in the town where they lived, fell in love, went to university and where they met one of the most horrible deaths one could imagine.
President Clinton called the killing of Byrd an “act of evil” that was “shocking and outrageous.” “Our work for racial reconciliation and . . . an end to all crimes of hatred in this country will go on,” he promised.
There has been not a single word from any nationally known person (other than me) on this case. In truth, I am certain that the incredible attention given the Byrd killing contributed to this hate crime in Knoxville. In fact, White on Black crime is only a tiny fraction of Black on White crime, but whenever interracial crime is portrayed in movies or on TV programs, in documentaries or even in national news stories — it almost always concerns White against Black crimes. Constant recital of White wrongs against African Americans from slavery to the present day only increases hatred against Whites in a racial group that already commits about ten times per capita more violent crimes than Whites do. In terms of cross race crimes, Blacks rape White women 100 times more often than Whites rape Blacks. If that sounds incorrect to you, Google the Color of Crime Report which shows the precise federal crime figures that prove exactly what I say. In terms of gang attacks, for every one Black attacked by multiple assailants or gangs, 200 whites are attacked by Blacks. It is not hateful or racist to discuss the facts on these matters. The White victims of non-White crime deserve just as much attention as the very small number Black victims of White crime. If Whites were raping Black women a 100 to 1, there would be marches in the streets, nonstop documentaries exposing what would be described as racist attacks against Black women. Don’t White women deserve just as much respect and security as our society would provide Black women?
After the Byrd killing, I received hundreds of letters from White students around the country recounting that Black toughs would scream “James Byrd” as they attacked White students in schools and on the streets.
In fact, the huge media coverage of the Byrd murder and the national blackout on any news of the Christian-Newsom rape, torture and murder shows how the media has a racist viewpoint toward White people. The lives Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom are simply not as important, not as newsworthy as the life of James Byrd. Somehow the loss of these two young White lives is less important than the life of an African American habitual criminal such as James Byrd. If millions of European Americans face institutional racial discrimination in jobs, or scholarships, or promotions, government and media say in effect, “So what?” If an African American merely alleges discrimination racism or discrimination against him, it’s a proverbial federal case!
The argument used by the press in the Byrd coverage was that this kind of crime should be publicized so that action is taken to stop such offenses. If that is so then why do the media cover up thousands of crimes against Whites that equal or even eclipse what happened to James Byrd? Shouldn’t the plague of horrendous offenses against White people be brought to our attention so that we can take action needed to save lives in the future. In truth, the excessive coverage of James Byrd only produced more crimes against innocent Whites by Blacks who are driven to hatred by the chronic portrayal of White racism and evil in the media. Perhaps Blacks should also understand the human cost of violence against innocent White people. To Paraphrase Shakespeare, “Doth not a White bleed when pricked?”
I am the public figure more identified with the term “racist” than any other, but as always, when it comes to media, everything is turned around. I think the horrendous murder of anyone is wrong and I think murder or crime of any kind should be covered by the media on the basis on the act itself and not on the race of the perpetrator or victim. The epidemic of non-White crime on White people across the United States must be reported fairly and accurately. –David Duke
Here is an excellent article on the crimes in Knoxville and the media bias concerning them by a woman with liberal and feminist credentials but who has reported fairly on this horrible crime in her college newspaper.

SonOfLe-loLang
06-02-2009, 12:05 PM
no it is not funny .........And from a personal experience , do not walk up to Native Americans wearing that shirt and ask him where all the squaws are ........I barely made it off the Arapaho res in one piece

hah duly noted. I dunno, i have a soft spot for the native americans (though not when they take advantage of their own).

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 12:07 PM
Ummm, i was referring to what conservative radio hosts and right wing politicians are saying about her. So we don't agree.

You are one angry white dude.

That is racist sir....funny how you are able to justify your own comments in your own head or racist comments from a minority, yet you are quick to pass a negative judgement on those that come from a white person's lips or, in this case, fingertips. I depise racists and those who use race as a way to shwo differences. I actually see more differences based upon social class than race---but you go ahead and think I am an 'angry WHITE dude'......

Spider
06-02-2009, 12:08 PM
So if I post this here is it racial or just funny?

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well he is no Will Smith ,thats for sure

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 12:10 PM
This happened a few years back..and I've never really understood how it got swept under the rug so nicely. I don't want to get involved on the racism thing, because we all should know that it goes both ways. However, we should open up our minds to the fact that there are hate crimes that go the other way and there are no marches or protests...


Shocking Torture, Rape and Murder of White Couple Exposes Racist Media

people reading this have never heard the names of the young White couple at the University of Tennessee who were brutally raped, tortured and murdered by five African Americans. They were Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom. Practically everyone in America has heard the name of James Byrd, Jr., the African American ex-con who was murdered by three White ex-cons in Jasper, Texas. There have been profiles of Byrd and his murder and the dragging of his body on dozens of national TV programs in America, Canada, and Europe and around the world. His grieving family was interviewed frequently on national news programs and his funeral was attended by leading politicians and dignitaries from all over America and many foreign countries. After Byrd met his death in 1998, the aspects of the murder and the trial of the perpetrators made front page news for almost two years. Since that time hardly a month has gone by without major news stories and commentaries about the Byrd killing. A search of Google News shows that articles still appear about this extremely rare case in which Whites killed a Black. In the Galveston Daily News there was a story on March 9 revealing an opening of a major photo exhibit dealing with the Byrd case.
In the Channon Christian, Christopher Newsom case, a young White couple was kidnapped, raped, tortured and murdered. Four Black males and one Black female brutally raped Channon while Christopher was beaten and forced to look on, then the Black attackers cut Christopher’s penis off and he was set afire. The five Blacks beat and raped Channon, sodomized her, forced oral sex upon her, cut off her breasts and poured toxic cleaning fluid down her mouth in an attempt to destroy DNA evidence. Channon’s and Christopher’s body parts were recovered a few days later.
Here a summary of the horrendous crime by a writer who has researched it thoroughly:

“Newsom was kidnapped, raped and beaten. According to reports, his penis was then cut off before he was shot several times and set on fire, all while his girlfriend watched. His body was then dumped alongside train tracks. Christian was kept alive and gang-raped multiple times over a span of four days. Her breast was cut off while she was still alive and her kidnappers sprayed cleaning fluid into her mouth to cleanse it of DNA. Her body was then put into a garbage can.” — from (http://media.www.diamondbackonline.com/media/storage/paper873/news/2007/04/04/Opinion/Not-A.Black.And.White.Issue-2820754.shtml) The Diamondback newspaper at the University of Maryland

I and every American condemn the brutal murder of James Byrd, but we must also condemn the media that make an international story of White ex-cons killing a Black ex-con (who was in and out of prison 7 times), but that somehow find the story of the brutal torture, rape and murder of a young White couple not worthy of a line of news coverage outside of Knoxville. I even went back and looked at the local Knoxville news coverage of the Newsom and Christian murder and compared it to the local Knoxville coverage at the time of the Byrd case. I found that even in Knoxville itself coverage of Byrd’s murder a thousand miles away in Texas received far more coverage than this brutal torture, rape and slaying. Covering James Byrd’s death was more important to the local press than the murder of two of Knoxville’s own in the town where they lived, fell in love, went to university and where they met one of the most horrible deaths one could imagine.
President Clinton called the killing of Byrd an “act of evil” that was “shocking and outrageous.” “Our work for racial reconciliation and . . . an end to all crimes of hatred in this country will go on,” he promised.
There has been not a single word from any nationally known person (other than me) on this case. In truth, I am certain that the incredible attention given the Byrd killing contributed to this hate crime in Knoxville. In fact, White on Black crime is only a tiny fraction of Black on White crime, but whenever interracial crime is portrayed in movies or on TV programs, in documentaries or even in national news stories — it almost always concerns White against Black crimes. Constant recital of White wrongs against African Americans from slavery to the present day only increases hatred against Whites in a racial group that already commits about ten times per capita more violent crimes than Whites do. In terms of cross race crimes, Blacks rape White women 100 times more often than Whites rape Blacks. If that sounds incorrect to you, Google the Color of Crime Report which shows the precise federal crime figures that prove exactly what I say. In terms of gang attacks, for every one Black attacked by multiple assailants or gangs, 200 whites are attacked by Blacks. It is not hateful or racist to discuss the facts on these matters. The White victims of non-White crime deserve just as much attention as the very small number Black victims of White crime. If Whites were raping Black women a 100 to 1, there would be marches in the streets, nonstop documentaries exposing what would be described as racist attacks against Black women. Don’t White women deserve just as much respect and security as our society would provide Black women?
After the Byrd killing, I received hundreds of letters from White students around the country recounting that Black toughs would scream “James Byrd” as they attacked White students in schools and on the streets.
In fact, the huge media coverage of the Byrd murder and the national blackout on any news of the Christian-Newsom rape, torture and murder shows how the media has a racist viewpoint toward White people. The lives Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom are simply not as important, not as newsworthy as the life of James Byrd. Somehow the loss of these two young White lives is less important than the life of an African American habitual criminal such as James Byrd. If millions of European Americans face institutional racial discrimination in jobs, or scholarships, or promotions, government and media say in effect, “So what?” If an African American merely alleges discrimination racism or discrimination against him, it’s a proverbial federal case!
The argument used by the press in the Byrd coverage was that this kind of crime should be publicized so that action is taken to stop such offenses. If that is so then why do the media cover up thousands of crimes against Whites that equal or even eclipse what happened to James Byrd? Shouldn’t the plague of horrendous offenses against White people be brought to our attention so that we can take action needed to save lives in the future. In truth, the excessive coverage of James Byrd only produced more crimes against innocent Whites by Blacks who are driven to hatred by the chronic portrayal of White racism and evil in the media. Perhaps Blacks should also understand the human cost of violence against innocent White people. To Paraphrase Shakespeare, “Doth not a White bleed when pricked?”
I am the public figure more identified with the term “racist” than any other, but as always, when it comes to media, everything is turned around. I think the horrendous murder of anyone is wrong and I think murder or crime of any kind should be covered by the media on the basis on the act itself and not on the race of the perpetrator or victim. The epidemic of non-White crime on White people across the United States must be reported fairly and accurately. –David Duke
Here is an excellent article on the crimes in Knoxville and the media bias concerning them by a woman with liberal and feminist credentials but who has reported fairly on this horrible crime in her college newspaper.




REP--this does not pass the 'sotomayor race swap test either'--if a group of whites had done this to a young black couple--can you even IMAGINE the uproar?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

SonOfLe-loLang
06-02-2009, 12:10 PM
That is racist sir....funny how you are able to justify your own comments in your own head or racist comments from a minority, yet you are quick to pass a negative judgement on those that come from a white person's lips or, in this case, fingertips. I depise racists and those who use race as a way to shwo differences. I actually see more differences based upon social class than race---but you go ahead and think I am an 'angry WHITE dude'......

Thats not racist, asshole, its an observation. You are an angry white dude who clearly can't understand why a person of color might hold a grudge against another race that needlessly persecuted them for centuries. If you think thats something that goes away overnight, youre wrong. Im not saying its right, but at least i understand where that comes from.

Spider
06-02-2009, 12:11 PM
hah duly noted. I dunno, i have a soft spot for the native americans (though not when they take advantage of their own).

I used to , until I met alot of them , worst was out near Olerich South Dakota , them Sioux can get a mean streak

55CrushEm
06-02-2009, 12:11 PM
How do my posts indicate 'white power'?

They don't. Tailgate is a lefty to the utmost degree.....and he clearly chooses to ignore that racism is perpetrated against EVERY race. But like so many of his ilk....if he even does acknowledge that racism exists against whites, then whitey must somehow "deserve" it.....and that makes it "good" racism. Pathetic and sad, really.

TheReverend
06-02-2009, 12:12 PM
Who was it that was saying a race war is coming?

Someone just PM me when it starts so I can join the winning side (+ shoe polish if it's the black people)

loborugger
06-02-2009, 12:15 PM
Soccer isnt even a sport

Hear, hear!

vancejohnson82
06-02-2009, 12:15 PM
REP--this does not pass the 'sotomayor race swap test either'--if a group of whites had done this to a young black couple--can you even IMAGINE the uproar?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

I actually didnt want to post the description of the crime...its horrid

and this never made the news

just weird

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 12:17 PM
Thats not racist, a-hole, its an observation. You are an angry white dude who clearly can't understand why a person of color might hold a grudge against another race that needlessly persecuted them for centuries. If you think thats something that goes away overnight, youre wrong. Im not saying its right, but at least i understand where that comes from.

I love getting lectured on this considering my school district growing up was 40% black and 45 % white..many of my good friends are black--I am not friends with them b/c or inspite of their race--but because we have common interests (sports,working out, medicine, lived in the same neighborhood)

And NO I cannot understand why SOME minorities think that I would judge them based upon anything other than how they treat me.

Take your guilt and feel guilty for yourself, do not transpose that self hate upon other people........many of us are already judging people on their behaviors and actions and not the color of their skin...........you should join us in the 21st century........

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 12:18 PM
Who was it that was saying a race war is coming?

Someone just PM me when it starts so I can join the winning side (+ shoe polish if it's the black people)

Dude.

Spider
06-02-2009, 12:20 PM
Who was it that was saying a race war is coming?

Someone just PM me when it starts so I can join the winning side (+ shoe polish if it's the black people)

LOL Siver Streak rules

TailgateNut
06-02-2009, 12:20 PM
Ummm, i was referring to what conservative radio hosts and right wing politicians are saying about her. So we don't agree.

You are one angry white dude.


No doubt. His feeble attempts to hide his obvious (to most) racist views, do not fool me. Just reading his responses and posts in several threads has convinced me he is recruiting material for the KKK.

Spider
06-02-2009, 12:21 PM
Dude.

you dont even know what in the **** he is talking about .............Save your sanctimonious bull****

DenverBrit
06-02-2009, 12:21 PM
Only in soccer man.

Right, racism is unique to soccer. :spit:

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 12:22 PM
No doubt. His feeble attempts to hide his obvious (to most) racist views, do not fool me. Just reading his responses and posts in several threads has convinced me he is recruiting material for the KKK.

Just reading your constant mealy mouthed drivel, self hate, lack of coherent thought and utter lack of sophistication has me convinced that you should not be allowed to reproduce.

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 12:24 PM
you dont even know what in the **** he is talking about .............Save your sanctimonious bull****

I hope that you forgot to pay your exterminator bill this month and the rats come back and chew your DSL/phone line again.........this board is better without your mullet-themed posts. Your haircut alone tells us all we need to know..........

Spider
06-02-2009, 12:26 PM
I hope that you forgot to pay your exterminator bill this month and the rats come back and chew your DSL/phone line again.........this board is better without your mullet-themed posts. Your haircut alone tells us all we need to know..........

Translation = I am an over sympathetic dick weed that needs a cause to bitch about to be happy

Spider
06-02-2009, 12:29 PM
LOL Classic scene from a classic movie ........
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broncofan7
06-02-2009, 12:35 PM
Translation = I am an over sympathetic dick weed that needs a cause to b**** about to be happy

Your translation of my statement is as off -the -mark as your other posts in this thread. Then again, coming from a guy who's hair style is 20 years behind the times, I am pleasantly surprised to learn that your truck didn't have a bumper sticker that read along the lines of that biker's T-shirt.........

TheReverend
06-02-2009, 12:37 PM
Is this the correct thread to complain about Mexicans or do I need to make a new one?

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 12:40 PM
This thread is pathetic. We have one guy arguing that he has black friends and appalls racism but can't seem to see anything but color. We got one guy who is just arguing for no good reason, and we have a guy posting article about crime committed against people of one color, by people of another color. Racism is a huge problem. Not, however, because crime happens between races. (intent of the crime is the important issue, not the color of the assailant) or because some one is called a "white guy" (which is a true statement, but angry may or may not be, so you have to find the incorrect aspect of the statement before you can argue it's racially motivated), racism is an issue because people point to others with it. Racism is not stamped out by finger pointing. (see al sharpton) If you truly care about racism (an no one here does, even the few i agree with) you begin with those that agree with you. I find it more productive to argue and reason with the black folks in my family about the racism and discrimination they inflict, because you can't be a hypocrite and expect to be listened too. I admit, blacks may be the most racist and narrow minded race in the USA. I also will point out, that centuries of hate intentionally, and unintentionally directed at them has caused a lot of it. You have to approach the problem with an understanding of that as well. Also, religion weighs heavily into it, as well as under educated areas of poor people, which, in this day and age, include more blacks and Hispanics than whites and Asian. In fact, if you study these things (and I do by way of my profession) you'll see a direct correlation between racism, bigotry and discrimination and income. Both large and small. (the proven relationship of the advantaged and lack of practical experience has lead also to increased levels in racist thoughts and judgments) So I think what I'm saying is, save the judgments and reflect on yourself and your family. Stamp it out in your own life, and educate others when you can, without accusation and mal intent, and we may ACTUALLY begin to put a dent in it. (doubt it) One more thing. A good example of racism exsists in a place where we think we are doing the opposite. We keep telling ourselves and the world that Obama is a black president. Least we forget, the man is just as much white as he is black. he is also the 45th white president in equal proportions. Let me leave you with this thought. I think Obama is the first of MANY mixed presidents in a world where if you are pure bred ANYTHING you will be a minority very soon. Watch your ass!

Spider
06-02-2009, 12:40 PM
Your translation of my statement is as off -the -mark as your other posts in this thread. LOL not really , you are so desperate for racism issues , you dig deep to find them , you PC people are all the same .....

Then again, coming from a guy who's hair style is 20 years behind the times, I am pleasantly surprised to learn that your truck didn't have a bumper sticker that read along the lines of that biker's T-shirt.........
I do have one , says the White house and America doesnt belong to WOPS ....

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 12:41 PM
BTW- I think spiders attitude of indifference is just what this thread really needed. It was a lame topic to begin with.

TailgateNut
06-02-2009, 12:43 PM
Just reading your constant mealy mouthed drivel, self hate, lack of coherent thought and utter lack of sophistication has me convinced that you should not be allowed to reproduce.


...and which part of your ass would you like us to kiss you ****ing arrogant ass!

vancejohnson82
06-02-2009, 12:44 PM
This thread is pathetic. We have one guy arguing that he has black friends and appalls racism but can't seem to see anything but color. We got one guy who is just arguing for no good reason, and we have a guy posting article about crime committed against people of one color, by people of another color. Racism is a huge problem. Not, however, because crime happens between races. (intent of the crime is the important issue, not the color of the assailant) or because some one is called a "white guy" (which is a true statement, but angry may or may not be, so you have to find the incorrect aspect of the statement before you can argue it's racially motivated), racism is an issue because people point to others with it. Racism is not stamped out by finger pointing. (see al sharpton) If you truly care about racism (an no one here does, even the few i agree with) you begin with those that agree with you. I find it more productive to argue and reason with the black folks in my family about the racism and discrimination they inflict, because you can't be a hypocrite and expect to be listened too. I admit, blacks may be the most racist and narrow minded race in the USA. I also will point out, that centuries of hate intentionally, and unintentionally directed at them has caused a lot of it. You have to approach the problem with an understanding of that as well. Also, religion weighs heavily into it, as well as under educated areas of poor people, which, in this day and age, include more blacks and Hispanics than whites and Asian. In fact, if you study these things (and I do by way of my profession) you'll see a direct correlation between racism, bigotry and discrimination and income. Both large and small. (the proven relationship of the advantaged and lack of practical experience has lead also to increased levels in racist thoughts and judgments) So I think what I'm saying is, save the judgments and reflect on yourself and your family. Stamp it out in your own life, and educate others when you can, without accusation and mal intent, and we may ACTUALLY begin to put a dent in it. (doubt it) One more thing. A good example of racism exsists in a place where we think we are doing the opposite. We keep telling ourselves and the world that Obama is a black president. Least we forget, the man is just as much white as he is black. he is also the 45th white president in equal proportions. Let me leave you with this thought. I think Obama is the first of MANY mixed presidents in a world where if you are pure bred ANYTHING you will be a minority very soon. Watch your ass!

so you complain about people discussing racism on this thread, yet proclaim that we need to talk about it more?
I dont get it

I'm not trying to be a dick, although I think you may have been talking about me when you said, "a guy who posts an article about a crime"....

that article was just to prove a poitn that gruesome murders that happen against whites are not given the same amount of press because it goes against the grain to think that hate can occur against white people...

thats all....i agree that racism is so prevalant in our society its almost better to embrace it and live with it, as many of my friends have (black and white)...its weird to my parents and whatnot when they hear us blasting each other for racial stereotypes but it really defuses any situations or misunderstandings that can come up.....i think that if more people took it so lightly we coudl move forward

Spider
06-02-2009, 12:45 PM
BTW- I think spiders attitude of indifference is just what this thread really needed. It was a lame topic to begin with.

:wiggle: ............Real Racism is no laughing matter ,but some of this **** we got now on this thread is

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 12:45 PM
...and which part of your ass would you like us to kiss you ****ing arrogant ass!

rep...you never seem to amaze me with your direct speech. Your like the Chuck barkley of this board. I may not always agree with you, but you always say it like you feel LOL!

Spider
06-02-2009, 12:48 PM
rep...you never seem to amaze me with your direct speech. Your like the Chuck barkley of this board. I may not always agree with you, but you always say it like you feel LOL!

Meh you just hate black people :wave:

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 12:49 PM
so you complain about people discussing racism on this thread, yet proclaim that we need to talk about it more?
I dont get it

I'm not trying to be a dick, although I think you may have been talking about me when you said, "a guy who posts an article about a crime"....

that article was just to prove a poitn that gruesome murders that happen against whites are not given the same amount of press because it goes against the grain to think that hate can occur against white people...

thats all....i agree that racism is so prevalant in our society its almost better to embrace it and live with it, as many of my friends have (black and white)...its weird to my parents and whatnot when they hear us blasting each other for racial stereotypes but it really defuses any situations or misunderstandings that can come up.....i think that if more people took it so lightly we coudl move forward

You missed the point...let me spell it out for you. You need to argue about it less with people whom obviously don't want to hear you, and talk about it more with those whom hold you in a high esteem and will engage you in a meaningful dialog. I have a problem with the article, because, (and I'll admit i only skimmed it) I didn't see anything that lead me to believe it was racially motivated.

prevalant = prevalent (not trying to be a spell nazi, that was just bugging me.

gyldenlove
06-02-2009, 12:51 PM
Can we get a courtesy flush in here?

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 12:52 PM
This thread is pathetic. We have one guy arguing that he has black friends and appalls racism but can't seem to see anything but color. We got one guy who is just arguing for no good reason, and we have a guy posting article about crime committed against people of one color, by people of another color. Racism is a huge problem. Not, however, because crime happens between races. (intent of the crime is the important issue, not the color of the assailant) or because some one is called a "white guy" (which is a true statement, but angry may or may not be, so you have to find the incorrect aspect of the statement before you can argue it's racially motivated), racism is an issue because people point to others with it. Racism is not stamped out by finger pointing. (see al sharpton) If you truly care about racism (an no one here does, even the few i agree with) you begin with those that agree with you. I find it more productive to argue and reason with the black folks in my family about the racism and discrimination they inflict, because you can't be a hypocrite and expect to be listened too. I admit, blacks may be the most racist and narrow minded race in the USA. I also will point out, that centuries of hate intentionally, and unintentionally directed at them has caused a lot of it. You have to approach the problem with an understanding of that as well. Also, religion weighs heavily into it, as well as under educated areas of poor people, which, in this day and age, include more blacks and Hispanics than whites and Asian. In fact, if you study these things (and I do by way of my profession) you'll see a direct correlation between racism, bigotry and discrimination and income. Both large and small. (the proven relationship of the advantaged and lack of practical experience has lead also to increased levels in racist thoughts and judgments) So I think what I'm saying is, save the judgments and reflect on yourself and your family. Stamp it out in your own life, and educate others when you can, without accusation and mal intent, and we may ACTUALLY begin to put a dent in it. (doubt it) One more thing. A good example of racism exsists in a place where we think we are doing the opposite. We keep telling ourselves and the world that Obama is a black president. Least we forget, the man is just as much white as he is black. he is also the 45th white president in equal proportions. Let me leave you with this thought. I think Obama is the first of MANY mixed presidents in a world where if you are pure bred ANYTHING you will be a minority very soon. Watch your ass!

Decent post and I agree with some of it-however, I believe that it is education levels and not racism/discrimination that keeps certain groups down, whether they be whites in Appalachia or Asians in Hawaiian ghettos--lack of education = lack of opportunity. To simply equate one's race with a lack of opportunity is disengenuous---Asians typically outperform other ethnic groups on Math, reading and science standardized tests and women are beginning to outperform men ---Whites and asians tend to have more 2 parent homes as well which can sometimes account for more discipline @ home and it is sometimes reflected in the level of academic achievement as well. They key is education ........

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 12:55 PM
...and which part of your ass would you like us to kiss you ****ing arrogant ass!

No 'us' about it--just you..you self hating, spineless douche.

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 12:58 PM
rep...you never seem to amaze me with your direct speech. Your like the Chuck barkley of this board. I may not always agree with you, but you always say it like you feel LOL!

Wrong--he is like Chuck Barkley's golf swing-----retartedly screwed up from start to finish.

TailgateNut
06-02-2009, 12:59 PM
rep...you never seem to amaze me with your direct speech. Your like the Chuck barkley of this board. I may not always agree with you, but you always say it like you feel LOL!

No need to beat around the bush. Those who know me personally, know me to be the same in real life as I am on this "pretend to be someone special internet forum".

I see Bfan7 as one of those "You can't accuse me of being racist because I have a token black friend" type of assholes,...and I, refuse to call a rotten apple, desert.

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 01:00 PM
I hate to see discussions like this cause I see them as counter productive. (I say that as someone whom has been roped into more than my share of them) I would like to see some real dialog. If you really want to make an objective statement, I urge you to begin with prefacing yourself with an indictment of the past and your own prejudices. I'll admit, it took me years upon years to overcome my discrimination of gays. It came down to one main argument though, I am ignorant of them. I don't understand them, and we all fear what we don't understand. I have gay friends, doesn't mean a damn thing. I also have an asian wife, doesn't make me less racist toward them, my conscious decision to learn about the culture and their way of thinking and their plight in this country that heads that off. I would like to hear less defenses like "I have _____ friends." i have white friends and black friends whom are racist toward each others races, but respect each other, because just knowing someone, doesn't mean you know what life is like for them, nor does it give you incite into the entire race. The black half of my family is higher educated and well off. I believe I have zero idea of what it's like to be a black man in the south, or in the projects. Your designation of "i have ______ friends" and that gives you perspective of some kind is ridiculous. In fact, it says to me that you may even be racist cause you have assumed that all the people of that race are the same, so knowing one, is knowing all. If it offends one, it offends them all. If it is ok with one, it's ok with them all. Sounds like ignorance to me.

vancejohnson82
06-02-2009, 01:01 PM
You missed the point...let me spell it out for you. You need to argue about it less with people whom obviously don't want to hear you, and talk about it more with those whom hold you in a high esteem and will engage you in a meaningful dialog. I have a problem with the article, because, (and I'll admit i only skimmed it) I didn't see anything that lead me to believe it was racially motivated.

prevalant = prevalent (not trying to be a spell nazi, that was just bugging me.

but anyone who is willing to engage in debate or at least conversation has already ventured past the point of close-minded racism...what I've come to realize is that anyone who actively LISTENS to opposing views and takes the time to understand them are light years ahead of the people who just bunch of races of people and classify them

dialog = dialogue....sorry that was killing me

TailgateNut
06-02-2009, 01:02 PM
No 'us' about it--just you..you self hating, spineless douche.

self hating???Hilarious!
Spineless??? You have no clue.

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 01:03 PM
Decent post and I agree with some of it-however, I believe that it is education levels and not racism/discrimination that keeps certain groups down, whether they be whites in Appalachia or Asians in Hawaiian ghettos--lack of education = lack of opportunity. To simply equate one's race with a lack of opportunity is disengenuous---Asians typically outperform other ethnic groups on Math, reading and science standardized tests and women are beginning to outperform men ---Whites and asians tend to have more 2 parent homes as well which can sometimes account for more discipline @ home and it is sometimes reflected in the level of academic achievement as well. They key is education ........

I agree with the education aspect. that is kinda the jist of what i was saying. Race isn't contributing to lack of opportunity, but poverty does inflict a greater number of certain races than other. That's where that comes from. I agree with the rest.

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 01:07 PM
but anyone who is willing to engage in debate or at least conversation has already ventured past the point of close-minded racism...what I've come to realize is that anyone who actively LISTENS to opposing views and takes the time to understand them are light years ahead of the people who just bunch of races of people and classify them

dialog = dialogue....sorry that was killing me

you consider that engaging in discussion? Where did you go to college? I would like to know whom teaches baseless accusation as discussion.


"people who just bunch of races of people and classify them" = people who just bunch races of people together and classify them as such.

Sorry, that was incoherent...

Sim Pilot 4.0
06-02-2009, 01:14 PM
Asians typically outperform other ethnic groups on Math, reading and science standardized tests

According to the post that you are replying to, Asians are out performing you in the reading and comprehension area too!

Lord have mercy!

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 01:17 PM
I hate to see discussions like this cause I see them as counter productive. (I say that as someone whom has been roped into more than my share of them) I would like to see some real dialog. If you really want to make an objective statement, I urge you to begin with prefacing yourself with an indictment of the past and your own prejudices. I'll admit, it took me years upon years to overcome my discrimination of gays. It came down to one main argument though, I am ignorant of them. I don't understand them, and we all fear what we don't understand. I have gay friends, doesn't mean a damn thing. I also have an asian wife, doesn't make me less racist toward them, my conscious decision to learn about the culture and their way of thinking and their plight in this country that heads that off. I would like to hear less defenses like "I have _____ friends." i have white friends and black friends whom are racist toward each others races, but respect each other, because just knowing someone, doesn't mean you know what life is like for them, nor does it give you incite into the entire race. The black half of my family is higher educated and well off. I believe I have zero idea of what it's like to be a black man in the south, or in the projects. Your designation of "i have ______ friends" and that gives you perspective of some kind is ridiculous. In fact, it says to me that you may even be racist cause you have assumed that all the people of that race are the same, so knowing one, is knowing all. If it offends one, it offends them all. If it is ok with one, it's ok with them all. Sounds like ignorance to me.

Typically left wing, worn out talking point. "well if you have to say that you have black friends you probably don't have any.."

The point of that was to show that I did not grow up with a token black guy in my school or neighborhood, I grew up amongst black people, in black culture, listening to rap music, eating at my black friends homes, lgetting my haircut by a good black friend at his barbershop in downtown Dover. The schools that I attended were almost half black and from my experiences you know what I have learned, that white people do not have a monopoly on racism. Many who have shaped our climate of political correctness have yet to digest this fact-and I bet it is because black people are people that these whites see only on TV or who they only see at the office-and I bet they were seldom in situations where THEY were the minority. People like TGN are perfect examples of their PC design--able to deny racism when it is perpetrated by a minority and quick to jump on an neutral statement from a white person as 'white supremacist' in nature...

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 01:18 PM
but anyone who is willing to engage in debate or at least conversation has already ventured past the point of close-minded racism...what I've come to realize is that anyone who actively LISTENS to opposing views and takes the time to understand them are light years ahead of the people who just bunch of races of people and classify them

dialog = dialogue....sorry that was killing me

LOL

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 01:21 PM
According to the post that you are replying to, Asians are out performing you in the reading and comprehension area too!

Lord have mercy!

? Thanks for playing--do not pass go, do not collect $200.......

Sim Pilot 4.0
06-02-2009, 01:24 PM
This happened a few years back..and I've never really understood how it got swept under the rug so nicely. I don't want to get involved on the racism thing, because we all should know that it goes both ways. However, we should open up our minds to the fact that there are hate crimes that go the other way and there are no marches or protests...


Shocking Torture, Rape and Murder of White Couple Exposes Racist Media

people reading this have never heard the names of the young White couple at the University of Tennessee who were brutally raped, tortured and murdered by five African Americans. They were Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom. Practically everyone in America has heard the name of James Byrd, Jr., the African American ex-con who was murdered by three White ex-cons in Jasper, Texas. There have been profiles of Byrd and his murder and the dragging of his body on dozens of national TV programs in America, Canada, and Europe and around the world. His grieving family was interviewed frequently on national news programs and his funeral was attended by leading politicians and dignitaries from all over America and many foreign countries. After Byrd met his death in 1998, the aspects of the murder and the trial of the perpetrators made front page news for almost two years. Since that time hardly a month has gone by without major news stories and commentaries about the Byrd killing. A search of Google News shows that articles still appear about this extremely rare case in which Whites killed a Black. In the Galveston Daily News there was a story on March 9 revealing an opening of a major photo exhibit dealing with the Byrd case.
In the Channon Christian, Christopher Newsom case, a young White couple was kidnapped, raped, tortured and murdered. Four Black males and one Black female brutally raped Channon while Christopher was beaten and forced to look on, then the Black attackers cut Christopher’s penis off and he was set afire. The five Blacks beat and raped Channon, sodomized her, forced oral sex upon her, cut off her breasts and poured toxic cleaning fluid down her mouth in an attempt to destroy DNA evidence. Channon’s and Christopher’s body parts were recovered a few days later.
Here a summary of the horrendous crime by a writer who has researched it thoroughly:

“Newsom was kidnapped, raped and beaten. According to reports, his penis was then cut off before he was shot several times and set on fire, all while his girlfriend watched. His body was then dumped alongside train tracks. Christian was kept alive and gang-raped multiple times over a span of four days. Her breast was cut off while she was still alive and her kidnappers sprayed cleaning fluid into her mouth to cleanse it of DNA. Her body was then put into a garbage can.” — from (http://media.www.diamondbackonline.com/media/storage/paper873/news/2007/04/04/Opinion/Not-A.Black.And.White.Issue-2820754.shtml) The Diamondback newspaper at the University of Maryland

I and every American condemn the brutal murder of James Byrd, but we must also condemn the media that make an international story of White ex-cons killing a Black ex-con (who was in and out of prison 7 times), but that somehow find the story of the brutal torture, rape and murder of a young White couple not worthy of a line of news coverage outside of Knoxville. I even went back and looked at the local Knoxville news coverage of the Newsom and Christian murder and compared it to the local Knoxville coverage at the time of the Byrd case. I found that even in Knoxville itself coverage of Byrd’s murder a thousand miles away in Texas received far more coverage than this brutal torture, rape and slaying. Covering James Byrd’s death was more important to the local press than the murder of two of Knoxville’s own in the town where they lived, fell in love, went to university and where they met one of the most horrible deaths one could imagine.
President Clinton called the killing of Byrd an “act of evil” that was “shocking and outrageous.” “Our work for racial reconciliation and . . . an end to all crimes of hatred in this country will go on,” he promised.
There has been not a single word from any nationally known person (other than me) on this case. In truth, I am certain that the incredible attention given the Byrd killing contributed to this hate crime in Knoxville. In fact, White on Black crime is only a tiny fraction of Black on White crime, but whenever interracial crime is portrayed in movies or on TV programs, in documentaries or even in national news stories — it almost always concerns White against Black crimes. Constant recital of White wrongs against African Americans from slavery to the present day only increases hatred against Whites in a racial group that already commits about ten times per capita more violent crimes than Whites do. In terms of cross race crimes, Blacks rape White women 100 times more often than Whites rape Blacks. If that sounds incorrect to you, Google the Color of Crime Report which shows the precise federal crime figures that prove exactly what I say. In terms of gang attacks, for every one Black attacked by multiple assailants or gangs, 200 whites are attacked by Blacks. It is not hateful or racist to discuss the facts on these matters. The White victims of non-White crime deserve just as much attention as the very small number Black victims of White crime. If Whites were raping Black women a 100 to 1, there would be marches in the streets, nonstop documentaries exposing what would be described as racist attacks against Black women. Don’t White women deserve just as much respect and security as our society would provide Black women?
After the Byrd killing, I received hundreds of letters from White students around the country recounting that Black toughs would scream “James Byrd” as they attacked White students in schools and on the streets.
In fact, the huge media coverage of the Byrd murder and the national blackout on any news of the Christian-Newsom rape, torture and murder shows how the media has a racist viewpoint toward White people. The lives Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom are simply not as important, not as newsworthy as the life of James Byrd. Somehow the loss of these two young White lives is less important than the life of an African American habitual criminal such as James Byrd. If millions of European Americans face institutional racial discrimination in jobs, or scholarships, or promotions, government and media say in effect, “So what?” If an African American merely alleges discrimination racism or discrimination against him, it’s a proverbial federal case!
The argument used by the press in the Byrd coverage was that this kind of crime should be publicized so that action is taken to stop such offenses. If that is so then why do the media cover up thousands of crimes against Whites that equal or even eclipse what happened to James Byrd? Shouldn’t the plague of horrendous offenses against White people be brought to our attention so that we can take action needed to save lives in the future. In truth, the excessive coverage of James Byrd only produced more crimes against innocent Whites by Blacks who are driven to hatred by the chronic portrayal of White racism and evil in the media. Perhaps Blacks should also understand the human cost of violence against innocent White people. To Paraphrase Shakespeare, “Doth not a White bleed when pricked?”
I am the public figure more identified with the term “racist” than any other, but as always, when it comes to media, everything is turned around. I think the horrendous murder of anyone is wrong and I think murder or crime of any kind should be covered by the media on the basis on the act itself and not on the race of the perpetrator or victim. The epidemic of non-White crime on White people across the United States must be reported fairly and accurately. –David Duke
Here is an excellent article on the crimes in Knoxville and the media bias concerning them by a woman with liberal and feminist credentials but who has reported fairly on this horrible crime in her college newspaper.




This is terrible, but not unexpected from the media. All races have a gripe when it comes to equal representation. As you said you these things happen on all sides. The media is all screwed up. This story illustrates one side.

Just a question for people to think about. How many missing black, Asian, Hispanic or any other race outside of white children or adults have you ever seen on the news?

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 01:24 PM
Typically left wing, worn out talking point. "well if you have to say that you have black friends you probably don't have any.."

The point of that was to show that I did not grow up with a token black guy in my school or neighborhood, I grew up amongst black people, in black culture, listening to rap music, eating at my black friends homes, lgetting my haircut by a good black friend at his barbershop in downtown Dover. The schools that I attended were almost half black and from my experiences you know what I have learned, that white people do not have a monopoly on racism. Many who have shaped our climate of political correctness have yet to digest this fact-and I bet it is because black people are people that these whites see only on TV or who they only see at the office-and I bet they were seldom in situations where THEY were the minority. People like TGN are perfect examples of their PC design--able to deny racism when it is perpetrated by a minority and quick to jump on an neutral statement from a white person as 'white supremacist' in nature...

you could have grown up in black face for all i care, you won't know what it's like to be them. Please concede that point. BTW- Rap music is not black culture. It's music that promotes counter culture that has been identified in almost every culture. Not to mention, rap music is (in most cases not all) indicative of the aspects of all that is wrong IN the black reasoning. The fact you grew up in a school with a high population of blacks predisposes you (psychologically speaking) to opinions of self preservation of your own race BTW. It actually explains a lot about you.

I wish to give my rant on Rap music, but it deludes from my main point.

c_lazy_r
06-02-2009, 01:26 PM
you consider that engaging in discussion? Where did you go to college? I would like to know whom teaches baseless accusation as discussion.


"people who just bunch of races of people and classify them" = people who just bunch races of people together and classify them as such.

Sorry, that was incoherent...



Are we in English class?

wow

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 01:27 PM
LOL

See the difference between me and him, I really wasn't trying to be a dick, some things just bother me. Compulsive personality. The second time, i was trying to be a dick.

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 01:29 PM
Are we in English class?

wow

No I was just being a dick cause for some reason he decided to be one. I corrected a word from his first post to me, told him I was not trying to be a dick (I have a compulsory towards some misspellings) and he still decided he wanted to be a douche about it.

c_lazy_r
06-02-2009, 01:32 PM
No I was just being a dick cause for some reason he decided to be one. I corrected a word from his first post to me, told him I was not trying to be a dick (I have a compulsory towards some misspellings) and he still decided he wanted to be a douche about it.


A douche because he returned the favor by finding your misspelled word?

Gotcha...

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 01:34 PM
you could have grown up in black face for all i care, you won't know what it's like to be them. Please concede that point. BTW- Rap music is not black culture. It's music that promotes counter culture that has been identified in almost every culture. Not to mention, rap music is (in most cases not all) indicative of the aspects of all that is wrong IN the black reasoning. The fact you grew up in a school with a high population of blacks predisposes you (psychologically speaking) to opinions of self preservation of your own race BTW. It actually explains a lot about you.

I wish to give my rant on Rap music, but it deludes from my main point.


So 'being black' allows one to be racist without retribution or consequence? I would hope that you do not feel that way--please concede that point.

Rap music in the late 80's- NWA, Eric B and Rakim,KRS-one--that wasn't in suburbia yet.....Maybe DJ jazzy jeff/FP, Young MC LOL...but what we listened to, it certainly wasn't 'cool' in suburbia yet (that came with snoop , dre and tupac--but I digress)

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 01:34 PM
A douche because he returned the favor by finding your misspelled word?

Gotcha...

No that's fine, I misspell all the time, it was the intent. He was deliberately trying to be a douche. BTW- that was a typo, not a misspelling. I still employ the ever tactful four finger, hunt and peck typing method.

vancejohnson82
06-02-2009, 01:35 PM
you consider that engaging in discussion? Where did you go to college? I would like to know whom teaches baseless accusation as discussion.


"people who just bunch of races of people and classify them" = people who just bunch races of people together and classify them as such.

Sorry, that was incoherent...

I went to George Washington University...and since you seem to be hitting new levels of douchebaggery with your spelling/grammar checks I'll make sure to look over my internet postings and edit them as they are being graded.

What is "engaging in discussion" under your definition of the word...

and you shouldnt use "whom" in the above paragraph....that is incorrect

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 01:39 PM
So 'being black' allows one to be racist without retribution or consequence? I would hope that you do not feel that way--please concede that point.

Rap music in the late 80's- NWA, Eric B and Rakim,KRS-one--that wasn't in suburbia yet........and it certainly wasn't 'cool' in suburbia yet (that came with snoop , dre and tupac--but I digress)

Who said that? I didn't. In fact i believe i said the opposite. Re-read my initial post please and stop putting words in my mouth. Instead of conceding the point, you decides to attack me? I don't get it? I'm having a serious discussion here with what i assumed was an intelligent poster who wished to do so. In fact, rap music has racist intent in A LOT of it. NWA, dre and Tupac are great examples. I didn't always feel the way i do. When I was younger, I listened and memorized much of it, just like all the rest of us. I just grew up and changed my mind.

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 01:41 PM
I went to George Washington University...and since you seem to be hitting new levels of douchebaggery with your spelling/grammar checks I'll make sure to look over my internet postings and edit them as they are being graded.

What is "engaging in discussion" under your definition of the word...

and you shouldnt use "whom" in the above paragraph....that is incorrect

Again, my initial intent was internal and i prefaced as such. you brought spelling and grammar checks to this.

vancejohnson82
06-02-2009, 01:43 PM
Again, my initial intent was internal and i prefaced as such. you brought spelling and grammar checks to this.

ok, thats fine and we don't need to belabor this anymore. But you realize that by fixing a spelling error (as minor as that) and saying things like, "let me spell it out for you" or "what college did you go to" it turns the discussion on its side and makes it a bit more confrontational.

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 01:47 PM
I was actually curious. GW is pretty decent. What year?

BTW- I will not deny that I intended to be a bit condescending in some posts where I get frustrated with the lack of coherent points, but I wasn't trying to be when I said "let me spell this out". It was more of an indictment of my rambling and lack of ability to get to the point that caused you to misunderstand me. I say that a lot in person to. Idiosyncratic really.

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 01:48 PM
Who said that? I didn't. In fact i believe i said the opposite. Re-read my initial post please and stop putting words in my mouth. Instead of conceding the point, you decides to attack me? I don't get it? I'm having a serious discussion here with what i assumed was an intelligent poster who wished to do so. In fact, rap music has racist intent in A LOT of it. NWA, dre and Tupac are great examples. I didn't always feel the way i do. When I was younger, I listened and memorized much of it, just like all the rest of us. I just grew up and changed my mind.

you could have grown up in black face for all i care, you won't know what it's like to be them

My posts in this thread are to show, that while the mainstream media licks its chops at the thought of posting another story about white on black racism--there is BLACK-on-WHITE murder happening right now that is being ignored. You challenged my authenticity and called me a probable racist for writing that I have recognized thru my life experiences that whites do not have a monopoly on racism-

Your designation of "i have ______ friends" and that gives you perspective of some kind is ridiculous. In fact, it says to me that you may even be racist cause you have assumed that all the people of that race are the same, so knowing one, is knowing all

-and I claim that if I went with the main stream media's accounts and the politically correct flavor of our day--I would probably have the same uninformed responses as TGN. Where you are getting disconnected I am not sure........

vancejohnson82
06-02-2009, 01:51 PM
I was actually curious. GW is pretty decent. What year?

BTW- I will not deny that I intended to be a bit condescending in some posts where I get frustrated with the lack of coherent points, but I wasn't trying to be when I said "let me spell this out". It was more of an indictment of my rambling and lack of ability to get to the point that caused you to misunderstand me. I say that a lot in person to. Idiosyncratic really.


2004....GW actually used to be a lot more competetive when I was looking into the school....by the time I got in there the school had dropped out of the top 50 and had become the 2nd most expensive school in the nation (now its #1)...so I have loan payments up to my ears right now and I missed the schools best season in basketball by one year (they went 32-1 or something and lost to Duke in the second round of the NCAAs)

And my major was actually English with double minors in history and political science...so when topics like this come up I like to see what opinoins are out there...unfortunately my English skills tend fade out when typing quick internet messages

Water under the bridge....just a misunderstanding on the "let me spell this out" remark

Sim Pilot 4.0
06-02-2009, 01:53 PM
Who said that? I didn't. In fact i believe i said the opposite. Re-read my initial post please and stop putting words in my mouth. Instead of conceding the point, you decides to attack me? I don't get it? I'm having a serious discussion here with what i assumed was an intelligent poster who wished to do so.

Don't mind him. If he were Asian he would have read and understood you better LOL

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 01:55 PM
Don't mind him. If he were Asian he would have read and understood you better LOL

your posts are horrid.

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 01:59 PM
You still have yet to make the connection, or concede the point, which leads me to believe that you neither care about this discussion, nor are willing to do anything to lead to your particular argument. A right wing habit as i understand it. I am not the media. Don't confuse my argument with theirs. It apears to me that you are saying that when a person of one race inflicts a crime upon a person of another race, that it is instantly racially motivated. I say that's not the case.

I don't challenge your "open mindedness" just the statement that you claim caused it. You may be open minded, but having black friends, and growing up in a black neighborhood, doesn't make you that way. your upbringing and mode of thinking contributes to it. What I'm saying is, your declaration of open mindedness and understanding (which disagrees with your statements and attitude towards racial discussion in my opinion) has nothing to do with your "black friends" knowing black people does not mean you know all or even a majority of the way black people live or think. You gonna have to come to terms with the fact that, you will NEVER know that. Does it mean you are a racist, or that black people are not. OH HELL NO! In fact, the argument I'm making is, it makes no difference at all in your thinking, or your out look on race issues. Do I think it has helped you open a dialogue....perhaps it has. Is it commendable? No, like Chris Rock said, no credit for doing what your SUPPOSED to do.

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 02:00 PM
That last post of mine was convoluted, i think I'm getting tired. I'm not making my point here i don't think.

Mr.Meanie
06-02-2009, 02:02 PM
My posts in this thread are to show, that while the mainstream media licks its chops at the thought of posting another story about white on black racism--there is BLACK-on-WHITE murder happening right now that is being ignored. You challenged my authenticity and called me a probable racist for writing that I have recognized thru my

There are some 45 murders per day in the US. They are of all sorts... white on white, black on black, black on white, white on black. It is impossible for the news stories to pick up every single one.

That's the problem with taking 1 news story and using it as an example of "media bias"... it can be done to support any argument. For example...why was the OJ story front page headlines every day for several years, when literally thousands of similar murders took place?

Why does Nancy Grace choose to spend the last 6 months running the exact same story about a white girl getting killed by her mom, when there have been hundreds of such abductions and murders of people of all color? Why does Bill O'Reilly only pick little suburban white girls who are abducted to run huge news stories that span months - when poor black and hispanic girls are also abducted at a massive rate?

It's pretty ignorant to get fired up about a horrible news story that didn't get reported, when there are hundreds of similar horrible news stories every year that don't get reported - regardless of color.

It makes it seem like you just want to be mad at the media and you picked an arbitrary story about black people and crime as your vehicle.

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 02:05 PM
2004....GW actually used to be a lot more competetive when I was looking into the school....by the time I got in there the school had dropped out of the top 50 and had become the 2nd most expensive school in the nation (now its #1)...so I have loan payments up to my ears right now and I missed the schools best season in basketball by one year (they went 32-1 or something and lost to Duke in the second round of the NCAAs)

And my major was actually English with double minors in history and political science...so when topics like this come up I like to see what opinoins are out there...unfortunately my English skills tend fade out when typing quick internet messages

Water under the bridge....just a misunderstanding on the "let me spell this out" remark

LMAO! The English major proves it's me not you.


Poly Sci- I wanted to pursue that, but I had too much on my plate already.

Psychology and child psychology, Stanford 1999. I thought I'd be fair and disclose..

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 02:07 PM
There are some 45 murders per day in the US. They are of all sorts... white on white, black on black, black on white, white on black. It is impossible for the news stories to pick up every single one.

That's the problem with taking 1 news story and using it as an example of "media bias"... it can be done to support any argument. For example...why was the OJ story front page headlines every day for several years, when literally thousands of similar murders took place?

Why does Nancy Grace choose to spend the last 6 months running the exact same story about a white girl getting killed by her mom, when there have been hundreds of such abductions and murders of people of all color? Why does Bill O'Reilly only pick little suburban white girls who are abducted to run huge news stories that span months - when poor black and hispanic girls are also abducted at a massive rate?

It's pretty ignorant to get fired up about a horrible news story that didn't get reported, when there are hundreds of similar horrible news stories every year that don't get reported - regardless of color.

It makes it seem like you just want to be mad at the media and you picked an arbitrary story about black people and crime as your vehicle.

Rep, this is a better representation of my point, thank you. I was getting a head ache there trying to explain it.

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 02:13 PM
never mind, disregard all i have said or insinuated.....i can't be trusted, I voted in dortch's mayonnaise debate....

The Joker
06-02-2009, 02:14 PM
Racism isnt going away people.

We all perpetuate it, regardless of our race.

Black people, hispanics, asians, whites, arabs. If racism were dead, then people wouldnt bother living in ethnic communities. It would be just fine to truly be mixed around.

However, I think the point of this thread, or what Im taking for it, is those uppity ****ing euro trash talk down about the US and how bad it is here but those dip****s are so decadent, and so downright snobbish that you wouldnt catch me dead anywhere in Europe.

Id be willing to just wipe the slate clean and get rid of the whole ****ing continenet. Piece of **** euro trash. Then they come over here and have the god damn audacity to talk **** about our country? Get the **** out fags.

Europe, like anywhere, has its fair share of prejudiced idiots.

I see that you're flying the flag for America in this regard, idiot.

Spider
06-02-2009, 02:17 PM
No way i can be a racist , i like Richard Pryor and Will Smith

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 02:21 PM
There are some 45 murders per day in the US. They are of all sorts... white on white, black on black, black on white, white on black. It is impossible for the news stories to pick up every single one.

That's the problem with taking 1 news story and using it as an example of "media bias"... it can be done to support any argument. For example...why was the OJ story front page headlines every day for several years, when literally thousands of similar murders took place?

Why does Nancy Grace choose to spend the last 6 months running the exact same story about a white girl getting killed by her mom, when there have been hundreds of such abductions and murders of people of all color? Why does Bill O'Reilly only pick little suburban white girls who are abducted to run huge news stories that span months - when poor black and hispanic girls are also abducted at a massive rate?

It's pretty ignorant to get fired up about a horrible news story that didn't get reported, when there are hundreds of similar horrible news stories every year that don't get reported - regardless of color.

It makes it seem like you just want to be mad at the media and you picked an arbitrary story about black people and crime as your vehicle.

No, what's pretty ignorant is that when I bring up the fact that whites are being murdered in Africa by blacks and yet the article that started this thread dealt with some name calling by whites towards blacks --hence it is recieving more noteriety, you come back with Broncosfan7 is just mad about black people and crime instead of :

"I see your point, I have never heard of this genocide against white Afrikaaners yet I have heard of racial epithets on a soccer field directed at blacks before--you make a good point--"

Do you honestly think that if whites were killing blacks that it would not be news heard round the world, 24-7? THAT is my point, and it's pretty ignorant for you to not apply the same standard to minorities that you are willing to place on whites.

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 02:24 PM
Europe, like anywhere, has its fair share of prejudiced idiots.

I see that you're flying the flag for America in this regard, idiot.

Funny, i forgot this thread was about Euro racism, see what happens on a tangent?

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 02:26 PM
Rep, this is a better representation of my point, thank you. I was getting a head ache there trying to explain it.

Murder Vs Name calling---one may lead to the other but the other has some finality to it, now doesn't it? So which do you think is more newsworthy?

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 02:26 PM
No, what's pretty ignorant is that when I bring up the fact that whites are being murdered in Africa by blacks and yet the article that started this thread dealt with some name calling by whites towards blacks --hence it is recieving more noteriety, you come back with Broncosfan7 is just mad about black people and crime instead of :

"I see your point, I have never heard of this genocide against white Afrikaaners yet I have heard of racial epithets on a soccer field directed at blacks before--you make a good point--"

Do you honestly think that if whites were killing blacks that it would not be news heard round the world, 24-7? THAT is my point, and it's pretty ignorant for you to not apply the same standard to minorities that you are willing to place on whites.

First off, here in the bay area it was news. So it just may be your local market. I didn't watch the whole thing though, did they say they killed them BECAUSE they are white? That would make a difference.

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 02:28 PM
Murder Vs Name calling---one may lead to the other but the other has some finality to it, now doesn't it? So which do you think is more newsworthy?

Intent. One shows murder (and if it was racially motivated, I have to go back and watch to prove.) by one person or small group. The other article is about the ongoing general attitude of racism in it's broader spectrum. two different stories. By the way, both stories where broadcast, or you wouldn't have heard them right?

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 02:29 PM
You still have yet to make the connection, or concede the point, which leads me to believe that you neither care about this discussion, nor are willing to do anything to lead to your particular argument. A right wing habit as i understand it. I am not the media. Don't confuse my argument with theirs. It apears to me that you are saying that when a person of one race inflicts a crime upon a person of another race, that it is instantly racially motivated. I say that's not the case.

I don't challenge your "open mindedness" just the statement that you claim caused it. You may be open minded, but having black friends, and growing up in a black neighborhood, doesn't make you that way. your upbringing and mode of thinking contributes to it. What I'm saying is, your declaration of open mindedness and understanding (which disagrees with your statements and attitude towards racial discussion in my opinion) has nothing to do with your "black friends" knowing black people does not mean you know all or even a majority of the way black people live or think. You gonna have to come to terms with the fact that, you will NEVER know that. Does it mean you are a racist, or that black people are not. OH HELL NO! In fact, the argument I'm making is, it makes no difference at all in your thinking, or your out look on race issues. Do I think it has helped you open a dialogue....perhaps it has. Is it commendable? No, like Chris Rock said, no credit for doing what your SUPPOSED to do.

I will never concede the point that black people are not just as racist as whites, latinos or asians.......and you're right, the rest of this post makes no sense.

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 02:30 PM
That wasn't what i asked you to concede, please read it again. it it helps, substitute the word black for white.

Spider
06-02-2009, 02:30 PM
No, what's pretty ignorant is that when I bring up the fact that whites are being murdered in Africa by blacks and yet the article that started this thread dealt with some name calling by whites towards blacks --hence it is recieving more noteriety, you come back with Broncosfan7 is just mad about black people and crime instead of :

"I see your point, I have never heard of this genocide against white Afrikaaners yet I have heard of racial epithets on a soccer field directed at blacks before--you make a good point--"

Do you honestly think that if whites were killing blacks that it would not be news heard round the world, 24-7? THAT is my point, and it's pretty ignorant for you to not apply the same standard to minorities that you are willing to place on whites.
I just had an epiphany .......... you are right , us white folk ,aka Honkies , crackers ,ghost , redneck crackers , white bread , cotton ball type of people are being discriminated against , we need a white power movement, I am tired of Black only colleges and the NAACP , ACLU , have been trying to keep us down ......... I dont want ot be a race traitor any more ( unless of course the minorities win , but that goes without saying ) Help me Broncofan7 ........
Singed ... your bestest white friend everah ..........

OABB
06-02-2009, 02:32 PM
It's time for another o&bb racist joke thread hijack.....


why do black people cry during sex?



it's from the mace.

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 02:33 PM
I still don't see where your reading that black people are less racist. I stated in my initial argument. "I believe that black people may be the most racist and prejudicial race in the US." So why do you keep telling me i stated soomething i didn't. Your either dishonest or disillusioned on this point.

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 02:33 PM
Intent. One shows murder (and if it was racially motivated, I have to go back and watch to prove.) by one person or small group. The other article is about the ongoing general attitude of racism in it's broader spectrum. two different stories. By the way, both stories where broadcast, or you wouldn't have heard them right?

My stories were 'Broadcast' on youtube--the story at the top of this thread was from ESPN. So NO, my story was NOT brought to the attention of Americans by way of our media.

I only discovered this story after doing some research on the 2010 worldcup---I wanted to go see a few games--then I discovered what a cesspool of hate it is and thought better of it.

And for you to denegrate the racist murders of whites is numbing and classless...........

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 02:34 PM
It's time for another o&bb racist joke thread hijack.....


why do black people cry during sex?



it's from the mace.

:rofl: hijacker!

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 02:35 PM
I just had an epiphany .......... you are right , us white folk ,aka Honkies , crackers ,ghost , redneck crackers , white bread , cotton ball type of people are being discriminated against , we need a white power movement, I am tired of Black only colleges and the NAACP , ACLU , have been trying to keep us down ......... I dont want ot be a race traitor any more ( unless of course the minorities win , but that goes without saying ) Help me Broncofan7 ........
Singed ... your bestest white friend everah ..........

The only thing that keeps you down is your lack of intellect. and your oversized mullet.

Spider
06-02-2009, 02:37 PM
The only thing that keeps you down is your lack of intellect. and your oversized mullet.

does this mean you are not going to help me ?

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 02:37 PM
My stories were 'Broadcast' on youtube--the story at the top of this thread was from ESPN. So NO, my story was NOT brought to the attention of Americans by way of our media.

I only discovered this story after doing some research on the 2010 worldcup---I wanted to go see a few games--then I discovered what a cesspool of hate it is and thought better of it.

And for you to denegrate the racist murders of whites is numbing and classless...........

Espn is a sports network, why would they cover the other story. more people view youtube than the ESPN homepage every day. I asked you where it said it was racially motivated and you refuse to acknowledge my requests. I'm trying to have a legit discussion here. you keep trying to distract from that. you keep trying to tell me something i'm not saying and have in fact said the opposite. I'm done. your hopeless. you want to be right when there is no right, only discussion.

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 02:38 PM
First off, here in the bay area it was news. So it just may be your local market. I didn't watch the whole thing though, did they say they killed them BECAUSE they are white? That would make a difference.

Just double click on the video--it brings you right to the youtube page--where there are other videos of similar theme ----then you can come back and try and rationalize why you think that name calling on a soccer field is more news worthy than the murder of white farmers in Africa.

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 02:44 PM
Just double click on the video--it brings you right to the youtube page--where there are other videos of similar theme ----then you can come back and try and rationalize why you think that name calling on a soccer field is more news worthy than the murder of white farmers in Africa.

You again refuse to acknowledge my point, or concede where your wrong. your not debating, your arguing. To my original post, that was my point. We will never discuss, only argue because people refuse to hear. Only speak. I will watch it. I will find my points, which i was hoping you'd supply info for, but i refuse to discuss with people of limited intellect and a dishonest nature. you sir, are a dishonest, ingenuous human being. I feel sorry for you as you will never know an honest intellectual pursuit with that attitude, nor will you ever fullfill honest self discovery. you are blinded by your ignorance and will forever be so...good day sir!

Spider
06-02-2009, 02:44 PM
David Alllen Coe can be our leader ............

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 02:45 PM
Espn is a sports network, why would they cover the other story. more people view youtube than the ESPN homepage every day. I asked you where it said it was racially motivated and you refuse to acknowledge my requests. I'm trying to have a legit discussion here. you keep trying to distract from that. you keep trying to tell me something i'm not saying and have in fact said the opposite. I'm done. your hopeless. you want to be right when there is no right, only discussion.

Legit?Really?

Your designation of "i have ______ friends" and that gives you perspective of some kind is ridiculous. In fact, it says to me that you may even be racist cause you have assumed that all the people of that race are the same, so knowing one, is knowing all--

Why would you make the parallel that I am incriminating ALL blacks--you never clarified this--


I'll admit, it took me years upon years to overcome my discrimination of gays. It came down to one main argument though, I am ignorant of them. I don't understand them, and we all fear what we don't understand.--Indeed


you could have grown up in black face for all i care, you won't know what it's like to be them---Again--another post that really has ZERO relevance to my point that blacks are just a capable of being racist as whites, yet our media does not portray it the same.

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 02:48 PM
Legit?Really?

Your designation of "i have ______ friends" and that gives you perspective of some kind is ridiculous. In fact, it says to me that you may even be racist cause you have assumed that all the people of that race are the same, so knowing one, is knowing all--

Why would you make the parallel that I am incriminating ALL blacks--you never clarified this--


I'll admit, it took me years upon years to overcome my discrimination of gays. It came down to one main argument though, I am ignorant of them. I don't understand them, and we all fear what we don't understand.--Indeed


you could have grown up in black face for all i care, you won't know what it's like to be them---Again--another post that really has ZERO relevance to my point that blacks are just a capable of being racist as whites, yet our media does not portray it the same.


I said good day sir!!

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 02:49 PM
You again refuse to acknowledge my point, or concede where your wrong. your not debating, your arguing. To my original post, that was my point. We will never discuss, only argue because people refuse to hear. Only speak. I will watch it. I will find my points, which i was hoping you'd supply info for, but i refuse to discuss with people of limited intellect and a dishonest nature. you sir, are a dishonest, ingenuous human being. I feel sorry for you as you will never know an honest intellectual pursuit with that attitude, nor will you ever fullfill honest self discovery. you are blinded by your ignorance and will forever be so...good day sir!

I think you must have some Asian in you........Ignorance is refusing to acknowledge that blacks killing whites in Africa is more news worthy than racist epithets in a soccer game--your original point? You did not have one.

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 02:50 PM
I said good day sir!!

Honestly, you started off with some promise, but it was all convuluted horse manure after that...........what a waste of my time.

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 02:51 PM
I think you must have some Asian in you........Ignorance is refusing to acknowledge that blacks killing whites in Africa is more news worthy than racist epithets in a soccer game--your original point? You did not have one.

you continue to talk, because you care to be right more than enlightened. This discussion is over, bug someone else...GOOD DAY SIR!

Mr.Meanie
06-02-2009, 02:53 PM
No, what's pretty ignorant is that when I bring up the fact that whites are being murdered in Africa by blacks and yet the article that started this thread dealt with some name calling by whites towards blacks --hence it is recieving more noteriety, you come back with Broncosfan7 is just mad about black people and crime instead of :

"I see your point, I have never heard of this genocide against white Afrikaaners yet I have heard of racial epithets on a soccer field directed at blacks before--you make a good point--"

Do you honestly think that if whites were killing blacks that it would not be news heard round the world, 24-7? THAT is my point, and it's pretty ignorant for you to not apply the same standard to minorities that you are willing to place on whites.

Wow.

There are many, many, many stories you can find all over the internet of race-related killings that go unreported. There just isn't enough time and/or interest in reporting it all.

Where was your outrage at the Ethnic Cleansing of LA (http://www.alternet.org/story/46855/), or the 400,000+ killed in the Sudan, or the racial killings and displacement in Gaza?

There are many examples around the world of the same race-based killings and displacements you are referring to, that aren't widely reported on. Again, you are cherry picking the particular hate crime because it fits into your "the biased liberal media hates white people" argument.

TailgateNut
06-02-2009, 02:53 PM
You again refuse to acknowledge my point, or concede where your wrong. your not debating, your arguing. To my original post, that was my point. We will never discuss, only argue because people refuse to hear. Only speak. I will watch it. I will find my points, which i was hoping you'd supply info for, but i refuse to discuss with people of limited intellect and a dishonest nature. you sir, are a dishonest, ingenuous human being. I feel sorry for you as you will never know an honest intellectual pursuit with that attitude, nor will you ever fullfill honest self discovery. you are blinded by your ignorance and will forever be so...good day sir!


SJ, he will never acknowledge that someone with an opposing view or opinion could possibly have and/or make a valid point.

In due time he will attack your intelligence and right to have and voice your opinion. Enjoy!

HILife
06-02-2009, 02:55 PM
Throwing bananas? Racist chants? I am appalled! Sad times and no place for that for sure--but they PALE in comparison to what is happening in Africa right now--not just words--but ACTIONS--amazing how the media is IGNORING genocide against whites........


You again!?!?! Why are you always at the forfront of all racism conversation? What's even more amazing is you always find a way to spin it into some sort of World against whites thing. I'm having a hard time figuring out if you are pro-white or anti-black.....really, I'm starting to wonder if there is a difference.

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 02:56 PM
SJ, he will never acknowledge that someone with an opposing view or opinion could possibly have and/or make a valid point.

In due time he will attack your intelligence and right to have and voice your opinion. Enjoy!

It's my fault. i give people the benefit of the doubt. I wanted to hear his view point. That's how we learn. hearing opposing views. Your right though, what a waste of time. I should start underestimating people, I'll be less disappointed.

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 02:58 PM
[QUOTE=broncofan7;2433086]Throwing bananas? Racist chants? I am appalled! Sad times and no place for that for sure--but they PALE in comparison to what is happening in Africa right now--not just words--but ACTIONS--amazing how the media is IGNORING genocide against whites........
QUOTE]

You again!?!?! Why are you always at the forfront of all racism conversation. What's even more amazing is you always find a way to spin it into some sort of World against whites thing. I'm having a hard time figuring out if you are pro-white or anti-black.....really I'm starting to wonder if there really is a difference.

there is a difference, just not in his case. I'm saddened that he sees the world that way. I really find that opening a dialogue is the way to go, but you have to have someone whom wants to engage you in the proper way. Maybe a broncos message board just isn't the place, but i find many intelligent people on here, so I keep giving it a try.:thumbsup:

TailgateNut
06-02-2009, 02:59 PM
Honestly, you started off with some promise, but it was all convuluted horse manure after that...........what a waste of my time.

Only those who agree with you are not a waste of time. Correct?

What a pompous ass!

According to you, everyone who disagrees is ignorant, and you are infallible. Your opinion is fact!

Bronx33
06-02-2009, 03:01 PM
Honestly, you started off with some promise, but it was all convuluted horse manure after that...........what a waste of my time.


Horses find this comment very racist why is it always horse manure why not cow manure?

Spider
06-02-2009, 03:03 PM
white Horses are being held back

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 03:04 PM
Horses find this comment very racist why is it always horse manure why not cow manure?

I think your exclusion of sheep, dogs and bison shows your lack of understanding. Perhaps had you gone to a school that was 50% bison.....

TailgateNut
06-02-2009, 03:04 PM
It's my fault. i give people the benefit of the doubt. I wanted to hear his view point. That's how we learn. hearing opposing views. Your right though, what a waste of time. I should start underestimating people, I'll be less disappointed.

I attempted after some time of ignoring him, to once again get into a discussion regarding the SCOTUS nominee, but as I found during previous encounters, regardless of facts, one must agree with him, or be labeled as less intelligent.

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 03:05 PM
Wow.

There are many, many, many stories you can find all over the internet of race-related killings that go unreported. There just isn't enough time and/or interest in reporting it all.

Where was your outrage at the Ethnic Cleansing of LA (http://www.alternet.org/story/46855/), or the 400,000+ killed in the Sudan, or the racial killings and displacement in Gaza?

There are many examples around the world of the same race-based killings and displacements you are referring to, that aren't widely reported on. Again, you are cherry picking the particular hate crime because it fits into your "the biased liberal media hates white people" argument.

The Sudan has been covered for years now and is well known here in America. Footsteps even had an interesting take on it earlier this year about the role that Invesco may have in supporting the regime their. Again--you had no idea that white farmers were being targetted for genocide until I posted those videos--which further proves my point.

Recently, there have been stories of Mexican gangs targeting Blacks in LA--again--this was seen on the evening news. Where was the story about the Afrikaaners?

Seriously? Palestinians being displaced & attacked doesn't get covered here in the US? Are you joking?

You attempted to bring up up three examples of stories that 'were not covered' and I am familiar with all of them. Your rebuttal is as effective as our defense was in our season finale.

TailgateNut
06-02-2009, 03:05 PM
I think your exclusion of sheep, dogs and bison shows your lack of understanding. Perhaps had you gone to a school that was 50% bison.....

Bravo!

Bronx33
06-02-2009, 03:07 PM
I think your exclusion of sheep, dogs and bison shows your lack of understanding. Perhaps had you gone to a school that was 50% bison.....


Call me perplexed.

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 03:07 PM
Horses find this comment very racist why is it always horse manure why not cow manure?

Smells worse--ask Spider...

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 03:08 PM
Bravo!

You're used to 'taking a bow'...........

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 03:09 PM
I attempted after some time of ignoring him, to once again get into a discussion regarding the SCOTUS nominee, but as I found during previous encounters, regardless of facts, one must agree with him, or be labeled as less intelligent.

I only have one thing that truly irritates me. you can be as racist as you want to be, but open discussion is important. I come here for three things. Broncos, good political discussion, and bad attempts at humor. 2 for 3 aint bad.

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 03:10 PM
Call me perplexed.

goes to an earlier discussion, sorry. you weren't there, I forgot.

Maximus
06-02-2009, 03:10 PM
I just had an epiphany .......... you are right , us white folk ,aka Honkies , crackers ,ghost , redneck crackers , white bread , cotton ball type of people are being discriminated against , we need a white power movement, I am tired of Black only colleges and the NAACP , ACLU , have been trying to keep us down ......... I dont want ot be a race traitor any more ( unless of course the minorities win , but that goes without saying ) Help me Broncofan7 ........
Singed ... your bestest white friend everah ..........

Don't worry about him Spider... He doesn't have a clue. You can be my buddy!

No....! wait!! You can't be my friend you big ugly, truck driving, throat punching, corn fed, cow tippin, hay bail tossin SOB! Whew.... now I feel better! :D

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 03:10 PM
You again!?!?! Why are you always at the forfront of all racism conversation? What's even more amazing is you always find a way to spin it into some sort of World against whites thing. I'm having a hard time figuring out if you are pro-white or anti-black.....really, I'm starting to wonder if there is a difference.

Since you are stuck between these two variables, it's no wonder you cannot figure anything out since I am neither.

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 03:12 PM
SJ, he will never acknowledge that someone with an opposing view or opinion could possibly have and/or make a valid point.

In due time he will attack your intelligence and right to have and voice your opinion. Enjoy!

How could I attack that when responding to you? It would be like trying to find a specific pebble at the bottom of the ocean

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 03:12 PM
Don't worry about him Spider... He doesn't have a clue. You can be my buddy!

No....! wait!! You can't be my friend you big ugly, truck driving, throat punching, corn fed, cow tippin, hay bail tossin SOB! Whew.... now I feel better! :D

you forgot outlaw redneck.... Any Illegal search and seizures lately?

lex
06-02-2009, 03:12 PM
Espn is a sports network, why would they cover the other story. more people view youtube than the ESPN homepage every day. I asked you where it said it was racially motivated and you refuse to acknowledge my requests. I'm trying to have a legit discussion here. you keep trying to distract from that. you keep trying to tell me something i'm not saying and have in fact said the opposite. I'm done. your hopeless. you want to be right when there is no right, only discussion.

Why would E!SPN ambush Bobby Fischer upon arriving at the Reykjavik Airport?

Bronx33
06-02-2009, 03:13 PM
You're used to 'taking a bow'...........

Nope hes alluding the cow isn't getting any credit for it's powerful stench.

Maximus
06-02-2009, 03:13 PM
white Horses are being held back

Bull****... Look at you... Horses drive trucks now ;D

Spider
06-02-2009, 03:14 PM
Don't worry about him Spider... He doesn't have a clue. You can be my buddy!

No....! wait!! You can't be my friend you big ugly, truck driving, throat punching, corn fed, cow tippin, hay bail tossin SOB! Whew.... now I feel better! :D

that is the nicest thing you have ever said to me ............Thanks ;D

Spider
06-02-2009, 03:15 PM
Bull****... Look at you... Horses drive trucks now ;D

so little advancement , perhaps some day I can use the good bathrooms ;D

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 03:15 PM
Why would E!SPN ambush Bobby Fischer upon arriving at the Reykjavik Airport?

I assume they believe chess is a sport. Bowling, spelling bee, the WNBA, soccer. They get confused sometimes as to what is a sport.;D

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 03:15 PM
Only those who agree with you are not a waste of time. Correct?

What a pompous ass!

According to you, everyone who disagrees is ignorant, and you are infallible. Your opinion is fact!

I will never agree that words of racist tone are more news worthy than ACTUAL RACIST MURDER. And those who feel that words are, I consider them to be moronic.

Bronx33
06-02-2009, 03:15 PM
Bull****... Look at you... Horses drive trucks now ;D


That's monkeys you black and silver tard, now get back to the 5 other tards you control on RKA.

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 03:18 PM
:sunshine: :strong: I'm holding my tongue from a post i see way up there!:sunshine:

Mr.Meanie
06-02-2009, 03:19 PM
The Sudan has been covered for years now and is well known here in America. Footsteps even had an interesting take on it earlier this year about the role that Invesco may have in supporting the regime their. Again--you had no idea that white farmers were being targetted for genocide until I posted those videos--which further proves my point.

It's well known in America only because celebrities have made it into a talking point at every opportunity. I consider myself a news junkie, and I have heard more coverage of what Brad Pitt thinks about Darfur than what is actually happening there.

Recently, there have been stories of Mexican gangs targeting Blacks in LA--again--this was seen on the evening news.

Where? LA's local news? I haven't seen it anywhere in any of the States I've been in in the last few years.

Where was the story about the Afrikaaners?

I haven't seen that story before... but after researching it there are dozens and dozens of racial based killings in Africa that aren't covered either. It's funny to me that out of all of these, the only one you are upset about is when white people are being killed by blacks, in a country ripped apart by racial and cultural hatred no less.

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 03:20 PM
I think your exclusion of sheep, dogs and bison shows your lack of understanding. Perhaps had you gone to a school that was 50% bison.....





You parrallels fail miserably. Never once did I say 'all black people are racist' -----but because of my experiences growing up I CAN SAY that white people do NOT have a monopoly on racism--unfortunately, I have had to type this statement three times and for some reason, you're still unable to process this and want me to 'concede' something that I never wrote instead. You're a mental midget.

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 03:21 PM
It's well known in America only because celebrities have made it into a talking point at every opportunity. I consider myself a news junkie, and I have heard more coverage of what Brad Pitt thinks about Darfur than what is actually happening there.



Where? LA's local news? I haven't seen it anywhere in any of the States I've been in in the last few years.



I haven't seen that story before... but after researching it there are dozens and dozens of racial based killings in Africa that aren't covered either. It's funny to me that out of all of these, the only one you are upset about is when white people are being killed by blacks, in a country ripped apart by racial and cultural hatred no less.

Your points are valid, but watch this.....

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 03:22 PM
You parrallels fail miserably. Never once did I say 'all black people are racist' -----but because of my experiences growing up I CAN SAY that white people do NOT have a monopoly on racism--unfortunately, I have had to type this statement three times and for some reason, you're still unable to process this and want me to 'concede' something that I never wrote instead. You're a mental midget.

Time! how long did that take for tailgates prediction to come true!?

TailgateNut
06-02-2009, 03:24 PM
You're used to 'taking a bow'...........


Not really, but I do give credit where credit is due. You on the other hand, need to be throat punched, painted pink, and dropped off on the seedy side of Colfax avenue.

Please feel free to contact me if you ever visit Denver. I wouldn't be opposed to talking about my "spineless" personality.

Maximus
06-02-2009, 03:24 PM
so little advancement , perhaps some day I can use the good bathrooms ;D

LOL You can use my ****ter anytime... now donkeyboy 7 is a different story!

lex
06-02-2009, 03:25 PM
I assume they believe chess is a sport. Bowling, spelling bee, the WNBA, soccer. They get confused sometimes as to what is a sport.;D

Thats not at all what Im saying. You said why would ESPN report on something that isnt sports related and what I mentioned is an example that they do this.

Spider
06-02-2009, 03:26 PM
LOL You can use my ****ter anytime... now donkeyboy 7 is a different story!
LOL .........

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 03:28 PM
It's well known in America only because celebrities have made it into a talking point at every opportunity. I consider myself a news junkie, and I have heard more coverage of what Brad Pitt thinks about Darfur than what is actually happening there.



Where? LA's local news? I haven't seen it anywhere in any of the States I've been in in the last few years.



I haven't seen that story before... but after researching it there are dozens and dozens of racial based killings in Africa that aren't covered either. It's funny to me that out of all of these, the only one you are upset about is when white people are being killed by blacks, in a country ripped apart by racial and cultural hatred no less.


Why is that funny? What was the main idea of the story that began this thread--Racist WHITE players & fans using racial epithets towards black footballers.
SOOOOOO--to show BIAS--I used a counter example (black on white) to show the hypocrisy of our media.
They will jump at a moments notice to cover white on black racist taunting, yet when actual murders take place against whites by blacks, the media mostly ignores it to the point of allowing FIFA to award S Africa with the 2nd largest sporting event in the world! The hypocrisy is mind numbing.

Spider
06-02-2009, 03:29 PM
On a serious note though ,Racism is alive and well , from all colors , best thing we can do is consider the source ...... Although I did laugh at a Obama racist joke ...............It was so wrong ....

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 03:31 PM
On a serious note though ,Racism is alive and well , from all colors , best thing we can do is consider the source ...... Although I did laugh at a Obama racist joke ...............It was so wrong ....

Intent. your not a racist. I know that. Jokes aren't racist, people are. Usually people that insist they are not. It's called over compensation...:welcome:

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 03:33 PM
Thats not at all what Im saying. You said why would ESPN report on something that isnt sports related and what I mentioned is an example that they do this.

Like i said, they consider it sports related. Am i not speaking english? Why is no one hearing me?

Mr.Meanie
06-02-2009, 03:33 PM
Why is that funny? What was the main idea of the story that began this thread--Racist WHITE players & fans using racial epithets towards black footballers.
SOOOOOO--to show BIAS--I used a counter example (black on white) to show the hypocrisy of our media.
They will jump at a moments notice to cover white on black racist taunting, yet when actual murders take place against whites by blacks, the media mostly ignores it to the point of allowing FIFA to award S Africa with the 2nd largest sporting event in the world! The hypocrisy is mind numbing.

This "news" story was not front page headline news on CNN, it was an article by ESPN. Yes, ESPN... the same network that had "breaking news" front page headlines of Tom Brady wearing a Yankees hat.

Your outrage at the "media bias" is hilarious in a sad, embarrassing sort of way.

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 03:35 PM
LOL You can use my ****ter anytime... now donkeyboy 7 is a different story!

Yeah, I'd use you instead of your '****ter'--and make sure you wear two t-shirts so I can wipe both sides of my crack this time...........

Spider
06-02-2009, 03:36 PM
Intent. your not a racist. I know that. Jokes aren't racist, people are. Usually people that insist they are not. It's called over compensation...:welcome:

;D Thanks ....but believe it or not , Obama is winning over alot of truckers , we are not wild about the weight increase he proposed , but he is doing alot of us .......

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 03:36 PM
Like i said, they consider it sports related. Am i not speaking english? Why is no one hearing me?

Because you think you are more logical than you are--I still have no idea why you want me to concede to something I never claimed..........

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 03:37 PM
This "news" story was not front page headline news on CNN, it was an article by ESPN. Yes, ESPN... the same network that had "breaking news" front page headlines of Tom Brady wearing a Yankees hat.

Your outrage at the "media bias" is hilarious in a sad, embarrassing sort of way.

Your forgetting their all important breaking news story on "whats wrong with Davis ortiz". Not kidding, in large print on the front page! LMAO. Not where i go for defining news.

lex
06-02-2009, 03:37 PM
Like i said, they consider it sports related. Am i not speaking english? Why is no one hearing me?

You said why would ESPN report on something like this, no? And I said it wouldnt be the first time E!SPN sniffed around where they didnt belong.

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 03:37 PM
Because you think you are more logical than you are--I still have no idea why you want me to concede to something I never claimed..........

I have no idea why you keep talking to me you moral rapist.

Bronx33
06-02-2009, 03:39 PM
I have no idea why you keep talking to me you moral rapist.


Hes being uppity.

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 03:39 PM
This "news" story was not front page headline news on CNN, it was an article by ESPN. Yes, ESPN... the same network that had "breaking news" front page headlines of Tom Brady wearing a Yankees hat.

Your outrage at the "media bias" is hilarious in a sad, embarrassing sort of way.

What's sad is that this is not the first time I am hearing about 'racist soccer hooligans' on the TV or in the news...........But I have not seen a mainstream american news outlet ,even one time, cover the geoncide against whites in Africa..........
Now, THAT is embarrassing

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 03:39 PM
You said why would ESPN report on something like this, no? And I said it wouldnt be the first time E!SPN sniffed around where they didnt belong.

They believe they belong there. if your saying they don't...i agree, but they think it's sports, that's why it falls under their interests.

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 03:40 PM
I have no idea why you keep talking to me you moral rapist.

Whoa! Have I violated you in some way? I almost feel dirty.........:pimp:

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 03:40 PM
Hes being uppity.

the new definition of Uppity is delusional half wit...i agree...

TheReverend
06-02-2009, 03:41 PM
Wait... why are we fighting? The thread title clearly states that this is where we complain about those uppity blacks and their hip hop music and us presidents.

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 03:41 PM
Whoa! Have I violated you in some way? I almost feel dirty.........:pimp:

You violated common sense, now go away...

lex
06-02-2009, 03:42 PM
They believe they belong there. if your saying they don't...i agree, but they think it's sports, that's why it falls under their interests.


Actually, in the case of Bobby Fischer, I think they want to believe its sports. There are other agendas in play here.

TheReverend
06-02-2009, 03:44 PM
Is the argument dying down...?


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3230/2592510954_5ecd3fbb54.jpg

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 03:45 PM
Actually, in the case of Bobby Fischer, I think they want to believe its sports. There are other agendas in play here.

Ok, so here's where I'm at a disadvantage. I don't know this story. Bobby Ficsher gets off an airplane.... that's all i know, wheres the link? I didn't see this one. I'm not a big ESPN fan.

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 03:47 PM
You violated common sense, now go away...

That was precisely my point! To violate your commonly held beliefs.
You have finally come around!

In the common PC parlance of our news cycle, black on white murder is not covered to the extent that white on black hate speech is, if it's even covered at all. And in order for one to grasp this we only need to look at what is going on in Africa right now. See how easy that was?

I give you the big gold star for today!

You are the OM super-duper student of the DAY!

:clown:

Spider
06-02-2009, 03:47 PM
Broncofan7 is right though , if White folk dont stand up , we will never get to ride in front of the Bus

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 03:49 PM
That was precisely my point! To violate your commonly held beliefs.
You have finally come around!

In the common PC parlance of our news cycle, black on white murder is not covered to the extent that white on black hate speech is, if it's even covered at all. And in order for one to grasp this we only need to look at what is going on in Africa right now. See how easy that was?

I give you the big gold star for today!

You are the OM super-duper student of the DAY!

:clown:

My god, are you still talking?

Spider
06-02-2009, 03:51 PM
Ok, so here's where I'm at a disadvantage. I don't know this story. Bobby Ficsher gets off an airplane.... that's all i know, wheres the link? I didn't see this one. I'm not a big ESPN fan.

Bobby Fisher went ape **** after his loss , he blamed the Russians for cheating , included some Jew conspiracy and went Anti American , even though he was our last best hope to unsseat the Russians ........ Really went off the deep end , but I have yet to ever see another player that good with Bishops

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 03:52 PM
“It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.” -Mark Twain

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 03:53 PM
Broncofan7 is right though , if White folk dont stand up , we will never get to ride in front of the Bus

Please do not agree with me on anything--and your statement is idiotic--even for a red neck mullet having trucker. For some reason, applying the standards of racism equally = racism to you. Invariably, your brain cells have probably been rotted away by years of Pabst blue ribbon, natural light and MD 20/20, so there really is no hope for you.

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 03:53 PM
Bobby Fisher went ape **** after his loss , he blamed the Russians for cheating , included some Jew conspiracy and went Anti American , even though he was our last best hope to unsseat the Russians ........ Really went off the deep end , but I have yet to ever see another player that good with Bishops

Sounds like Lebron James

Spider
06-02-2009, 03:55 PM
Please do not agree with me on anything--and your statement is idiotic--even for a red neck mullet having trucker. For some reason, applying the standards of racism equally = racism to you. Invariably, your brain cells have probably been rotted away by years of Pabst blue ribbon, natural light and MD 20/20, so there really is no hope for you.
you are right ........ i have been brain washed by all those uppity blacks .......What was the name of the education camp you went to , I would like to give it a try

broncofan7
06-02-2009, 03:55 PM
“It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.” -Mark Twain

I appreciate you independently realizing your folly.....

Spider
06-02-2009, 03:57 PM
Sounds like Lebron James

it was bad , for better or worse , I quit studying Bobby Fisher , man was brilliant at chess , but a complete Broncofan7( aka Psycho) on everything else ......

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 04:00 PM
I appreciate you independently realizing your folly.....

Time! Once again? Who had 20 seconds?

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 04:01 PM
it was bad , for better or worse , I quit studying Bobby Fisher , man was brilliant at chess , but a complete Broncofan7( aka Psycho) on everything else ......

Honestly, I knew he was a chess genius, that's all i knew about him. He never interested me.

lex
06-02-2009, 04:01 PM
Ok, so here's where I'm at a disadvantage. I don't know this story. Bobby Ficsher gets off an airplane.... that's all i know, wheres the link? I didn't see this one. I'm not a big ESPN fan.


Nor am I. You can see this is done by Jeremy Schaap who, i believe, originally did this piece for E!SPN (even though it says ABC).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px2PoGr0AkE&feature=PlayList&p=565C4A0D491EEB90&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=36

Spider
06-02-2009, 04:04 PM
In fact Bobby fisher was so brilliant he created Fisher chess , rearranging the back pieces , blowing out opening books and playing strict strategy , it would have caught on if he wasnt such a raving lunatic ..........Fisher was arrested in Japan , and they was going to ship his ass back to the states to face some charges , but he ended up in Iceland

PaintballCLE
06-02-2009, 04:05 PM
I just had an epiphany .......... you are right , us white folk ,aka Honkies , crackers ,ghost , redneck crackers , white bread , cotton ball type of people are being discriminated against , we need a white power movement, I am tired of Black only colleges and the NAACP , ACLU , have been trying to keep us down ......... I dont want ot be a race traitor any more ( unless of course the minorities win , but that goes without saying ) Help me Broncofan7 ........
Singed ... your bestest white friend everah ..........

LOL
I will say this though, everyone should be held to the same standards and treated equally.

Everyone should pay the same for college tuition, everyone shoul dhave to have the same scores to pass a test, ect.........and thats not the case and I think thats wrong.

Also, just out of curiosity......... how is it ok to have a black only scholarship, but you can't have a white only one?

How about just having a scholoarship and it doesnt matter if you are black, white or red

Spider
06-02-2009, 04:08 PM
LOL
I will say this though, everyone should be held to the same standards and treated equally.

Everyone should pay the same for college tuition, everyone shoul dhave to have the same scores to pass a test, ect.........and thats not the case and I think thats wrong.

Also, just out of curiosity......... how is it ok to have a black only scholarship, but you can't have a white only one?

How about just having a scholoarship and it doesnt matter if you are black, white or red
you fear white people .....seriously though , not everything is equal

Pseudofool
06-02-2009, 04:09 PM
Don't confuse genius with wisdom.

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 04:10 PM
Nor am I. You can see this is done by Jeremy Schaap who, i believe, originally did this piece for E!SPN (even though it says ABC).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px2PoGr0AkE&feature=PlayList&p=565C4A0D491EEB90&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=36

Well Abc and ESPN are the same network, so thats the reason for that. That seemed to have little to do with the network or even the details. It looked like the reporter has some personal history there and wanted to show something. Honestly, it was odd, and seemed a bit out of context for my knowledge of the situation, but wow! That was interesting.

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 04:16 PM
In fact Bobby fisher was so brilliant he created Fisher chess , rearranging the back pieces , blowing out opening books and playing strict strategy , it would have caught on if he wasnt such a raving lunatic ..........Fisher was arrested in Japan , and they was going to ship his ass back to the states to face some charges , but he ended up in Iceland

Ficsher falls under Robert Sternbergs definition of intelligence. I'm not sure he's a genius as much as he's skilled in an area.

lex
06-02-2009, 04:17 PM
Well Abc and ESPN are the same network, so thats the reason for that. That seemed to have little to do with the network or even the details. It looked like the reporter has some personal history there and wanted to show something. Honestly, it was odd, and seemed a bit out of context for my knowledge of the situation, but wow! That was interesting.

Yes, I realize that ESPN and ABC are both owned by Disney. And, like I said, there were other agendas. Its not just Schaap's personal history either. It shows the suits at E!SPN have an axe to grind, presumably, because Fischer says things they dont like. Not only was it a stretch having it on E!SPN and done by an E!SPN reporter but the very idea that E!SPN would allow someone with a personal axe to grind do the piece and confront him in this way just shows how little journalistic integrity E!SPN has. Allowing Schaap to do the piece shows that E!SPN was more interested in creating a confrontation so to get a reaction...but in the process making Schaap part of the story.

Simply put, the piece was hack journalism. And whats sad is that E!SPN still features Schaap as though he is a credible journalist.

lex
06-02-2009, 04:19 PM
Ficsher falls under Robert Sternbergs definition of intelligence. I'm not sure he's a genius as much as he's skilled in an area.


Let me guess. Does saying something you disagree with disqualify you as a genius?

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 04:20 PM
Yes, I realize that ESPN and ABC are both owned by Disney. And, like I said, there were other agendas. Its not just Schaap's personal history either. It shows the suits at E!SPN have an axe to grind, presumably, because Fischer says things they dont like. Not only was it a stretch having it on E!SPN and done by an E!SPN reporter but the very idea that E!SPN would allow someone with a personal axe to grind do the piece and confront him in this way just shows how little journalistic integrity E!SPN has. Allowing Schaap to do the piece shows that E!SPN was more interested in creating a confrontation so to get a reaction...but in the process making Schaap part of the story.

Simply put, the piece was hack journalism. And whats sad is that E!SPN still features Schaap as though he is a credible journalist.

Your not helping me disagree with you here. I think it was suspect airing it on ESPN with an ABC news moniker on it. That screams of "don't pay attention to the man behind the curtain.

Spider
06-02-2009, 04:20 PM
Ficsher falls under Robert Sternbergs definition of intelligence. I'm not sure he's a genius as much as he's skilled in an area.

Oh man Fishers Sicilian Defense: Najdorf. Opocensky Variation just wow ,the way he positioned his pieces for that attack , forcing D Ruth to sac his queen .... pure brilliance

Maximus
06-02-2009, 04:21 PM
LOL
I will say this though, everyone should be held to the same standards and treated equally.

Everyone should pay the same for college tuition, everyone shoul dhave to have the same scores to pass a test, ect.........and thats not the case and I think thats wrong.

Also, just out of curiosity......... how is it ok to have a black only scholarship, but you can't have a white only one?

How about just having a scholoarship and it doesnt matter if you are black, white or red

LOL there are scholarships for almost every ethic group that exists. The question is what is a white person? Irish, Italian, German, polish... All of those groups can be considered white and all have scholarships based on ethnic background. Indians have scholarships for Native Americans. Take a look at available scholarships and fill out a form to get one. You will find out that every group is represented.

lex
06-02-2009, 04:22 PM
Your not helping me disagree with you here. I think it was suspect airing it on ESPN with an ABC news moniker on it. That screams of "don't pay attention to the man behind the curtain.

No. Like I said, I think it was originally aired on E!SPN but it was obviously also aired on ABC at some point, which is where this video is from.

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 04:22 PM
Let me guess. Does saying something you disagree with disqualify you as a genius?

No, that was an observation by me as a psychologist. What about my person leads you to believe everything i say has an ax to grind. You obviously don't know me at all. Shows you lean to disagree with me before i even say anything. Can you say that my assessment is wrong? I'll wait while you look up triarchic theory of intelligence....

Maximus
06-02-2009, 04:24 PM
Let me guess. Does saying something you disagree with disqualify you as a genius?

Did Kobe hit the game winning shot against Phoenix without Shaq.... ;D Never mind J/K

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 04:24 PM
Oh man Fishers Sicilian Defense: Najdorf. Opocensky Variation just wow ,the way he positioned his pieces for that attack , forcing D Ruth to sac his queen .... pure brilliance

yeah, I'm already way behind you bro. This isn't my area of expertise to say the least...

Spider
06-02-2009, 04:26 PM
Your not helping me disagree with you here. I think it was suspect airing it on ESPN with an ABC news moniker on it. That screams of "don't pay attention to the man behind the curtain.

what Lex is failing to get across here , is what Bobby fisher said spread through the world like wild fire because of who he was ,everyone reported on it , back in the 70's Fisher was the one to make America dominate at everything over the Russians , For a long time Russians were the kings of chess , bar none , it was unthinkable an American could challenge them ........In fact Americans playing chess was a joke to the Russians

lex
06-02-2009, 04:29 PM
Did Kobe hit the game winning shot against Phoenix without Shaq.... ;D Never mind J/K

Not in the second half of game 7, which was essentially the series.

Spider
06-02-2009, 04:29 PM
yeah, I'm already way behind you bro. This isn't my area of expertise to say the least...

;D lets just say , no matter what you threw at Bobby , he was 4 moves ahead , didnt matter if it was the Caro -Cann ,, the French , Rury Lopez ( aka Spanish) he just snuffed you out before you got started

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 04:30 PM
what Lex is failing to get across here , is what Bobby fisher said spread through the world like wild fire because of who he was ,everyone reported on it , back in the 70's Fisher was the one to make America dominate at everything over the Russians , For a long time Russians were the kings of chess , bar none , it was unthinkable an American could challenge them ........In fact Americans playing chess was a joke to the Russians

I kinda have to bow out of the Bobby Fisher discussion, unlike some people, I refuse to persuasively discuss what i don't know. That's how smart people work. I'll bow to your obvious expertise on the subject my man. BTW- impressive chess knowledge! I didn't see that coming from you.

Spider
06-02-2009, 04:32 PM
I kinda have to bow out of the Bobby Fisher discussion, unlike some people, I refuse to persuasively discuss what i don't know. That's how smart people work. I'll bow to your obvious expertise on the subject my man. BTW- impressive chess knowledge! I didn't see that coming from you.

:wiggle: I played a game or 2

Maximus
06-02-2009, 04:34 PM
Not in the second half of game 7, which was essentially the series.

Really... He hit a shot with .7 left on the clock to send the game to OT then in OT he hit the Game winner to send phoenix home.... LOL

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I had to do it :D

lex
06-02-2009, 04:40 PM
No, that was an observation by me as a psychologist. What about my person leads you to believe everything i say has an ax to grind. You obviously don't know me at all. Shows you lean to disagree with me before i even say anything. Can you say that my assessment is wrong? I'll wait while you look up triarchic theory of intelligence....


Im not interested in that in what you were taught. Its kind of interesting how people mock and ridicule people who would othewise be heroes because they have the nerve to say something that people disagree with. Youve been mocking Broncofan7 for something similar, no?

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 04:40 PM
:wiggle: I played a game or 2

And here i was thinking if I was on the road for long periods of time I'd resort to prostitutes, not chess. The road is a different place than i thought.

lex
06-02-2009, 04:41 PM
Really... He hit a shot with .7 left on the clock to send the game to OT then in OT he hit the Game winner to send phoenix home.... LOL

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I had to do it :D


Wheres the youtube of the second half of game 7? Theres little point in remembering anything other than that.

lex
06-02-2009, 04:43 PM
I kinda have to bow out of the Bobby Fisher discussion, unlike some people, I refuse to persuasively discuss what i don't know. That's how smart people work. I'll bow to your obvious expertise on the subject my man. BTW- impressive chess knowledge! I didn't see that coming from you.

This is addressing the post you were quoting. Actually, no, Bobby Fischer wasnt really the main part of bringing up that piece. That piece was originally mentioned in reference to an observation that E!SPN doesnt/shouldnt stick its nose where it doesnt belong, to which I cited this piece as an example. Posting that piece was more about E!SPN than Bobby Fischer.

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 04:43 PM
Im not interested in that in what you were taught. Its kind of interesting how people mock and ridicule people who would othewise be heroes because they have the nerve to say something that people disagree with. Youve been mocking Broncofan7 for something similar, no?

I was not only not mocking fan7, i was trying to have an open conversation, only to have it resort to some circular non linear logic.

Again, it was an observation. It had ZERO judgment. Only facts that I employed to make a hypothesis. Can i prove it? Of course not. Btw, i have nothing against bobby, why would i insult the guy? Again, you just assume, with no basis. You just don't like me, so you wish to argue. I have no argument here. i was simply engaging in a discussion. now look it up and discuss if you wish, otherwise, shut your ignorant pie hole.

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 04:44 PM
This is addressing the post you were quoting. Actually, no, Bobby Fischer wasnt really the main part of bringing up that piece. That piece was originally mentioned in reference to an observation that E!SPN doesnt/shouldnt stick its nose where it doesnt belong, to which I cited this piece as an example. Posting that piece was more about E!SPN than Bobby Fischer.

I believe i agreed with that assessment already, so why are we still discussing that? OMG!

Archer81
06-02-2009, 04:45 PM
You would be crazy and ignorant to believe that racism doesn't exist in the states. As an African American, there are so many examples that go on in our daily lives that indicate racism still exists (and racial profiles because of your skin color, racial slurs between crowds, being thought of as stupid and uneducated, women clutching their purse when walking by, still being served last in bars, etc.). Only the most extreme cases of racisms hits the news such as one of the most recent the Jena 6 also.


So...its the white kid's fault he got jumped by a group of idiots?

:Broncos:

lex
06-02-2009, 04:47 PM
I believe i agreed with that assessment already, so why are we still discussing that? OMG!


As I said, it was addressing the post you were quoting...in other words, not yours.

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 04:48 PM
So...its the white kid's fault he got jumped by a group of idiots?

:Broncos:

He didn't say that, he said it was an extreme form of racism. How do you know he didn't mean AGAINST whites.

People just hear what they want to hear and see what they want to see.

BTW-He may have meant it the other way, but i won't make that leap.

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 04:49 PM
As I said, it was addressing the post you were quoting...in other words, not yours.

Sorry, got distracted, your right...

Archer81
06-02-2009, 04:50 PM
He didn't say that, he said it was an extreme form of racism. How do you know he didn't mean AGAINST whites.

People just hear what they want to hear and see what they want to see.

BTW-He may have meant it the other way, but i won't make that leap.



I'm hedging. Article and what he wrote was not exactly clear. Also, getting served last is a form of racism? I need a laminated card that has a list of what is racist and not.

:Broncos:

Spider
06-02-2009, 04:50 PM
And here i was thinking if I was on the road for long periods of time I'd resort to prostitutes, not chess. The road is a different place than i thought.

;D

Maximus
06-02-2009, 04:53 PM
Wheres the youtube of the second half of game 7? Theres little point in remembering anything other than that.

There was no game 7 goofball... Lebunk never hit a last second shot in game 7.... cause the Cavs never make it to game 7.

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Here's a better look for you in HD Game 4

lex
06-02-2009, 04:54 PM
There was no game 7 goofball... Lebunk never hit a last second shot in game 7.... cause the Cavs never make it to game 7.

I was talking about Suns-Lakers from 06, doink.

SJ Bronco
06-02-2009, 04:56 PM
I'm hedging. Article and what he wrote was not exactly clear. Also, getting served last is a form of racism? I need a laminated card that has a list of what is racist and not.

:Broncos:

Well it's all context. that's what racism really is right? Context, not actions. If Im served last because I'm a male and that's the accepted way (at least it is in my family) then of course not. Or if you just happen to be the last person to get your plate, then of course not, but if it's a law or blatant denial to serve you based on your race....ok this is stupid, you know what context means. Everything is intent, or context in my book. Perceived intent is the ones where we get crossed up often.

Maximus
06-02-2009, 04:57 PM
I was talking about Suns-Lakers from 06, doink.

:D That's the video that I posted. 2006 Lakers / Suns Kobe Game winner!

PaintballCLE
06-02-2009, 04:57 PM
And here i was thinking if I was on the road for long periods of time I'd resort to prostitutes, not chess. The road is a different place than i thought.

dont let him fool ya............ while the prostitutes are searching for his "burried treasure" all he has is time to read chess books.

Archer81
06-02-2009, 04:59 PM
Well it's all context. that's what racism really is right? Context, not actions. If Im served last because I'm a male and that's the accepted way (at least it is in my family) then of course not. Or if you just happen to be the last person to get your plate, then of course not, but if it's a law or blatant denial to serve you based on your race....ok this is stupid, you know what context means. Everything is intent, or context in my book. Perceived intent is the ones where we get crossed up often.


Its all greek to me.


:Broncos:

lex
06-02-2009, 04:59 PM
:D That's the video that I posted. 2006 Lakers / Suns Kobe Game winner!


And I asked about the decisive/elimination game to which you came up with nothing...except something that wasnt really relevant.