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epicSocialism4tw
05-31-2009, 12:36 AM
Okay all you QB-droolers...here's a bone for you to chew on. The Broncos selected Fresno State's Brandstater in the 6th round. If you are familiar with him, then you'll be somewhat enthused about his addition to your now-QB-less (in reality) Broncos squad. Hopefully we'll avoid the annoying "Tom B to Tom B sixth-round pick" comparisons.

Brandstater has some talent. He's a big guy with a big frame (6'5") who can move around pretty well at football speed, he throws from the spread (which your Broncos will employ) pretty well, and he is savvy enough to make plays when things break down. He doesnt have a rocket, but his arm is NFL-calibur. He sees the field well from the spread. He also showed good leadership at Fresno State.

Take a peek and let us know what you think:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1p-QWy3NAc

Spider
05-31-2009, 12:40 AM
yeah he does have some skill

worm
05-31-2009, 12:49 AM
McDaniels picks a guy who can play? Cool.

Better than signing a RB who can't play I guess.

Bigdawg26
05-31-2009, 12:53 AM
Better than signing a RB who can't play I guess.

JJ Arrington???<!-- / message -->

BroncoMan4ever
05-31-2009, 12:55 AM
he throws a good ball, but i was actually more impressed with his receivers and backs. his highlight reel was highlighted by the supporting cast breaking runs, and shedding tacklers.

he has some skill, but even if he is the guy for our future, it isn't going to happen until 2011 at the soonest.

PaintballCLE
05-31-2009, 12:56 AM
he has a VERY slow release.........not good in the NFL.............but maybe if he works on that........could be interesting

Popps
05-31-2009, 01:11 AM
I wouldn't say his release is that slow. Doesn't look much different to me than a guy like Rivers or Ben R. He's got a high delivery and his motion is fairly compact. Not a cannon arm, but he seems to put it where he needs to... given, it's a highlight reel so we're not seeing the misses. Nice size and clearly moves around well for a big guy.

I'm excited to see what he can do.

Hulamau
05-31-2009, 02:19 AM
And last year Fresno's offense had a bunch of key injuries which really hamstrung their success. I think he's a solid candidate for McD to coach up for a year or two and see what he can do.

WABronco
05-31-2009, 03:10 AM
Cassell, Matt Gutierrez, Kevin O'Connell, Tom Brandstater....all seem to be similar types of developmental QB's. DEVELOPMENNNNT.

ZONA
05-31-2009, 03:11 AM
yeah, his release didn't seem slow to me, not sure what you were seeing there.

I agree with Popps, for a guy that big, he has some good wheels on him. Arm seems strong enough.

cutthemdown
05-31-2009, 03:49 AM
I watched a couple Fresno games. Like to watch the calif teams here and there. This dude really is the prototype drop back pocket passer. Hard to bring down, huge arm. IMO a little bit like a Kerry Collins. Not saying he can't be better then Collins, just sort of same type of QB.

He needs to work on his accuracy though because when I watched him he threw a bad pass for ever good pass. He can sling the ball around though and make every throw on a football field.

He's raw and will need a few yrs to grow.

cutthemdown
05-31-2009, 03:51 AM
yeah, his release didn't seem slow to me, not sure what you were seeing there.

I agree with Popps, for a guy that big, he has some good wheels on him. Arm seems strong enough.

He has a little bit of a windup. If you want to see a quick release check out Fouts, Marino, 2 big guys with really quick releases and compact throwing motions.

Elway though had a wind up and was never really said to be a quick release guy. I think Brandstaters release is good enough for being a big guy. He just needs to work on his game and his accuracy.

Really it's all about accuracy in the NFL. Some guys get better at, some don't, only time will tell with this player.

I miss Cutler already.

Punisher
05-31-2009, 07:24 AM
he has a VERY slow release.........not good in the NFL.............but maybe if he works on that........could be interesting

Yea maybe McD works on his mechanics....

montrose
05-31-2009, 07:39 AM
I'm digging Tommy B. - had my eye on him before the draft and I'm hoping he's more Matt Cassel than Matt Mauck.

Broncoman13
05-31-2009, 07:53 AM
Weak arm. Lot better mobility than I thought. Little bit of a lower release, but not a problem. Some risky decisions and a lot of passes were severely underthrown forcing the receivers to come back to the ball or adjust taking away yards after the catch. I would say he was pretty inconsistent but certainly looked to have some potential. I think he was a very good 6th round pick. Not somebody that is going to come in and steal the job from the beginning, but in two or three years this guy has the tools to become a serious player. On the field he actually looks similar to Matt Cassel. Go figure. ;D

Broncoman13
05-31-2009, 07:54 AM
I watched a couple Fresno games. Like to watch the calif teams here and there. This dude really is the prototype drop back pocket passer. Hard to bring down, huge arm. IMO a little bit like a Kerry Collins. Not saying he can't be better then Collins, just sort of same type of QB.

He needs to work on his accuracy though because when I watched him he threw a bad pass for ever good pass. He can sling the ball around though and make every throw on a football field.

He's raw and will need a few yrs to grow.

Reminds me a little of Collins too. Looks like he is probably a little more mobile with a little less arm strength thoguh.

elsid13
05-31-2009, 07:58 AM
The question I have is "Why did he regress from 2007 play to his level in 2008 ?" I don't have much faith in him developing into anything more then solid #2 in 3 to 4 years.

elsid13
05-31-2009, 08:04 AM
This is very good breakdown on him

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/518867

footstepsfrom#27
05-31-2009, 08:15 AM
While culling through the list of late round draftees and UDFA's they signed looking for promising guys to report on, I was impressed with 6 or 7 of these guys, but he was not one of them....mainly because I found to many negative reports to go along with the positives. We'll see what he has but it appears he's a LONG term project.

elsid13
05-31-2009, 08:27 AM
While culling through the list of late round draftees and UDFA's they signed looking for promising guys to report on, I was impressed with 6 or 7 of these guys, but he was not one of them....mainly because I found to many negative reports to go along with the positives. We'll see what he has but it appears he's a LONG term project.

Yeah I know. Meanwhile the QB (McGee) I wanted is very impressive in Cowboys camp. Who run a similar offense to McDaniels

Stephen McGee, QB, Dallas Cowboys: With only three games in a pro-style offense while at Texas A&M, McGee was expected to need a great deal of work, but insiders say the former Aggie was stunningly refined in his technique throughout Dallas' minicamp May 1-3. Coaches, including quarterback coach Wade Wilson, who played the position for 18 years in the NFL, raved about McGee's poise and accuracy throughout the camp.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/11773423

footstepsfrom#27
05-31-2009, 08:47 AM
Yeah I know. Meanwhile the QB (Scott McGee) I wanted is very impressive in Cowboys camp. Who run a similar offense to McDaniels

Stephen McGee, QB, Dallas Cowboys: With only three games in a pro-style offense while at Texas A&M, McGee was expected to need a great deal of work, but insiders say the former Aggie was stunningly refined in his technique throughout Dallas' minicamp May 1-3. Coaches, including quarterback coach Wade Wilson, who played the position for 18 years in the NFL, raved about McGee's poise and accuracy throughout the camp.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/11773423
Yeah I've been hearing that also, though it might be just more pre-camp hype but he appears to have some physical tools. Bomar was another guy with tools who I have some familiarity with and his situation at Oklahoma leading to him transfering out kind of disrupted his development but I thought they might have an interest there. We'll see what happens but it's pretty hard to get enthused about anything QB related right now, let alone a 7th round pick who might be this year's Hackney. I'm more interested in what happens in next season's draft if this Orton experiment doesn't pan out. I like the UDFA D-line picks, plus Schlueter and Branson, maybe the Johnson kid from Jackson State a little, but I think this guy being named "Tom" is at least slightly responsible for people's optimism on him.

broncswin
05-31-2009, 09:54 AM
Three things I saw this guy do well:

1. Great foot work on drop backs, and setting his back foot

2. Only saw him throw one fade route in the endzone, but it was in great postion: If he throws that well Marshall will be happy(cutler sucked at this)

3. Once again only really saw him throw one long ball down the sidelines, but he led the wr. beautifully: If he throws that well Royal will be happy(cutler really suck at this)

Couldn't see his read progressions well, because of shi^^y video editing!

Am I saying he is better than Cutler not even...yet, this guy hasn't even thrown a ball in the NFL, but if this kind of play transitions into the NFL, he could be good...just sayin

Natedog24
05-31-2009, 09:56 AM
I've seen him play in person a couple of times and he never really blew me away, just a solid college QB. That said, he didn't really have a lot of weapons outside that monster at TE.

elsid13
05-31-2009, 10:05 AM
Three things I saw this guy do well:

1. Great foot work on drop backs, and setting his back foot

2. Only saw him throw one fade route in the endzone, but it was in great postion: If he throws that well Marshall will be happy(cutler sucked at this)

3. Once again only really saw him throw one long ball down the sidelines, but he led the wr. beautifully: If he throws that well Royal will be happy(cutler really suck at this)

Couldn't see his read progressions well, because of shi^^y video editing!

Am I saying he is better than Cutler not even...yet, this guy hasn't even thrown a ball in the NFL, but if this kind of play transitions into the NFL, he could be good...just sayin

Don't get to excited because all the scouting reports talk about his lack of accuracy on his ball over 20 yards. Plus supposed the ball floats up there. Like I said above he might be solid #2 in long term.

Popps
05-31-2009, 10:54 AM
I watched a couple Fresno games. Like to watch the calif teams here and there. This dude really is the prototype drop back pocket passer. Hard to bring down, huge arm. IMO a little bit like a Kerry Collins. Not saying he can't be better then Collins, just sort of same type of QB.

He needs to work on his accuracy though because when I watched him he threw a bad pass for ever good pass. He can sling the ball around though and make every throw on a football field.

He's raw and will need a few yrs to grow.

Pretty good comparison.

People like to bash on Collins, but the guy has played in a awful lot of playoff games with several teams. There's something to his game that helps offenses succeed, even if not that sexy on the stats sheet.

HILife
05-31-2009, 11:10 AM
interesting

Doggcow
05-31-2009, 11:27 AM
I LOVED THIS PICK! He is really solid, got great ability. He has amazing leadership too, good head on his shoulders, intangibles.

broncogary
05-31-2009, 11:31 AM
Have we ever had a late round QB that did anything? Marlin Briscoe is the closest I can think of, and I think he was an undrafted FA.

RunSilentRunDeep
05-31-2009, 12:19 PM
Have we ever had a late round QB that did anything? Marlin Briscoe is the closest I can think of, and I think he was an undrafted FA.

Gary Kubiak. Would have had a solid career if it wasn't for that stupid Elway guy.

montrose
05-31-2009, 12:20 PM
Have we ever had a late round QB that did anything? Marlin Briscoe is the closest I can think of, and I think he was an undrafted FA.

lol
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/25/250806.jpg

SouthStndJunkie
05-31-2009, 12:41 PM
I think Brandstater is a good developmental prospect.

Teams should take a QB in the late rounds almost every year....you are bound to unearth a gem now and then.

BroncoMan4ever
05-31-2009, 01:31 PM
Don't get to excited because all the scouting reports talk about his lack of accuracy on his ball over 20 yards. Plus supposed the ball floats up there. Like I said above he might be solid #2 in long term.

i'd be happy having a long term option at number 2. that is why Cassel was successful. he was there so long he knew the offense inside and out and was in a situation he couldn't mess up.

in a perfect world, we'd somehow come out of next years draft with Bradford as our QBOTF and Brandstater as our backup for year to come. sort of a new version of Kubiak, who was a long time backup to Elway.

elsid13
05-31-2009, 01:36 PM
i'd be happy having a long term option at number 2. that is why Cassel was successful. he was there so long he knew the offense inside and out and was in a situation he couldn't mess up.

in a perfect world, we'd somehow come out of next years draft with Bradford as our QBOTF and Brandstater as our backup for year to come. sort of a new version of Kubiak, who was a long time backup to Elway.

Hopefully Brandstater can develop into something for us. But the odds are against it.

As for Bradford I hope we don't have chance to select him, because I really don't think he going to be that good in the NFL.

wandlc
05-31-2009, 01:38 PM
I live 45 minutes from Fresno and follow the team every year. I will believe Tom will do well when I see it. I personally couldn't wait until he graduated so that we could have a different QB. I like Pat Hill but one thing he does is stick with his decision at QB even if there is a better but younger option on the bench.

elsid13
05-31-2009, 01:51 PM
I live 45 minutes from Fresno and follow the team every year. I will believe Tom will do well when I see it. I personally couldn't wait until he graduated so that we could have a different QB. I like Pat Hill but one thing he does is stick with his decision at QB even if there is a better but younger option on the bench.

What turned you off him?

lostknight
05-31-2009, 03:24 PM
It's a sign of how pathetically week our QB corp is that this guy looks exciting. I keep looking for a highlight reel on Simms, but have yet to see one, but the Orton one scares me every time I watch it.

He probably will be a good talent in the football field.

wandlc
06-02-2009, 09:17 PM
What turned you off him?

He doesn't seem to see the field well at times, is very inconsistent, can't carry a team if the opposing team shuts down the running game, and his throws are inaccurate especially under pressure. He seems to read a defense slowly aslo. I didn't really see any growth from him from year to year either. At least with David Carr he progressed every year and kept getting better.

bowtown
06-02-2009, 09:36 PM
Have we ever had a late round QB that did anything?

I heard Matt Mauk pulled off a pretty dicey root canal last week.

Lev Vyvanse
06-03-2009, 05:18 AM
He doesn't seem to see the field well at times, is very inconsistent, can't carry a team if the opposing team shuts down the running game, and his throws are inaccurate especially under pressure. He seems to read a defense slowly aslo. I didn't really see any growth from him from year to year either. At least with David Carr he progressed every year and kept getting better.

How many offensive coordinators did he have while he was there?

supermanhr9
06-03-2009, 06:27 AM
I saw a underthrow to a wide open receiver causing him to make a diving catch for a 30-40 yard gain, instead of a ball being caugth in stride for a touchdown. Not impressed

Smiling Assassin27
06-03-2009, 07:22 AM
nice touch on the ball and seems to have a good pocket presence. rarely looking to get upfield prematurely but keeps plays alive and creates on later reads. i agree that he lacks major league zip on the ball, but seems to have enough to make all the throws.

nice project.

~Crash~
06-03-2009, 08:47 AM
I saw a underthrow to a wide open receiver causing him to make a diving catch for a 30-40 yard gain, instead of a ball being caugth in stride for a touchdown. Not impressed

John thew that ball all the time and you point is ?

Pony Boy
06-03-2009, 09:24 AM
It's a short trip from Fresno State to the "Big Dance"