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SonOfLe-loLang
05-27-2009, 05:52 PM
Fun while it lasted, JJ

Broncos release Arrington
By Lindsay H. Jones
The Denver Post
Posted: 05/27/2009 05:33:13 PM MDT
Updated: 05/27/2009 05:34:30 PM MDT


The Broncos today released running back J.J. Arrington after Arrington failed his physical.

Arrington, who signed with the team as a free agent from Arizona in March, had knee surgery after the Super Bowl and had been unable to participate so far in the Broncos' organized team activities.

Arrington was one of three free-agent tailbacks signed by the Broncos, and the team also drafted running back Knowshon Moreno with its top pick in the draft.

tsiguy96
05-27-2009, 05:55 PM
lamont and torrain are next....

oubronco
05-27-2009, 05:55 PM
good signing by McDipshyt

SonOfLe-loLang
05-27-2009, 05:56 PM
good signing by McDipshyt

i assume no real money was lost...so ummm, who cares? I think when Moreno came on board, he was expendable anyway

tsiguy96
05-27-2009, 05:58 PM
good signing by McDipshyt

good call dumbass, the broncos are brand new to failed FA.

he was signed to a cheap 4 year deal with i dont remember how much gauranteed and released when he couldnt perform, is there really a problem with that? really?

Liquid Courage
05-27-2009, 05:59 PM
seems to me they paid little money down for a bit of insurance should the draft not pan out for them. given the output of the draft he became expendable.

Paladin
05-27-2009, 06:00 PM
good signing by McDipshyt

Another childish epithet.......

Florida_Bronco
05-27-2009, 06:01 PM
lamont and torrain are next....

In reality this increases the chances that either one or both will stick.

Broncobiv
05-27-2009, 06:02 PM
If we gotta lose another RB, make it Jordan. Keep Buckhalter, Torain, and the rest. Although I doubt that'll happen since Jordan is another ex-Pat pet for McD.

Liquid Courage
05-27-2009, 06:02 PM
In reality this increases the chances that either one or both will stick.

agree; given the numbers we carried last year, i was wondering aloud if Selvin might get a call back . . .

watermock
05-27-2009, 06:05 PM
Spin it all you want. No big deal, but another example of inexperience.

I just hope Hillis and Sceff aren't shipped out too, and Torain is probably toast too, since he was no burner to start with....

Now we'll see if Ayers can play OLB.

tsiguy96
05-27-2009, 06:06 PM
In reality this increases the chances that either one or both will stick.

i agree, but when you look at the numbers it still doesnt pan out...

moreno
hillis
jordan
d. walker
torrain
buckhalter

teams dont really carry 6 backs, take hillis out (other positions..) thats 5 (more reasonable), and that doesnt include the ton of other guys that i dontknow the names of. ive read reports on here that torrain and jordan are expendable, due to not staying healthy and better short yardage backs, respectively.

BMarsh615
05-27-2009, 06:07 PM
good call dumbass, the broncos are brand new to failed FA.

he was signed to a cheap 4 year deal with i dont remember how much gauranteed and released when he couldnt perform, is there really a problem with that? really?
Broncos released/failed physical RB J.J. Arrington.
They're eating a $1.8 million signing bonus, and Arrington never even got in a practice for the team. Denver signed Arrington in March hoping he'd be Josh McDaniels' next Kevin Faulk, but Knowshon Moreno shouldn't be any less effective on passing downs. The move leaves Correll Buckhalter, LaMont Jordan, Darius Walker, and injured Ryan Torain behind Broncos likely starter Moreno. Arrington, 26, won't resurface until his knee gets healthy.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/clubhouse_news.aspx?sport=NFL&majteam=DEN

tsiguy96
05-27-2009, 06:09 PM
Broncos released/failed physical RB J.J. Arrington.
They're eating a $1.8 million signing bonus, and Arrington never even got in a practice for the team. Denver signed Arrington in March hoping he'd be Josh McDaniels' next Kevin Faulk, but Knowshon Moreno shouldn't be any less effective on passing downs. The move leaves Correll Buckhalter, LaMont Jordan, Darius Walker, and injured Ryan Torain behind Broncos likely starter Moreno. Arrington, 26, won't resurface until his knee gets healthy.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/clubhouse_news.aspx?sport=NFL&majteam=DEN

ok, 1.8mil is kind of a lot....BUT i am pretty sure they didnt plan on taking a 1st round RB til he sorta fell in there lap

either way, im kind of glad hes gone because he brought nothing that isnt already in a crowded, more talented backfield. as long as buckhalter, hillis and moreno get the carries itll be alright

Lev Vyvanse
05-27-2009, 06:11 PM
Broncos released/failed physical RB J.J. Arrington.
They're eating a $1.8 million signing bonus, and Arrington never even got in a practice for the team. Denver signed Arrington in March hoping he'd be Josh McDaniels' next Kevin Faulk, but Knowshon Moreno shouldn't be any less effective on passing downs. The move leaves Correll Buckhalter, LaMont Jordan, Darius Walker, and injured Ryan Torain behind Broncos likely starter Moreno. Arrington, 26, won't resurface until his knee gets healthy.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/clubhouse_news.aspx?sport=NFL&majteam=DEN

Well thats just ****ing stupid.

BroncoInferno
05-27-2009, 06:12 PM
i agree, but when you look at the numbers it still doesnt pan out...

moreno
hillis
jordan
d. walker
torrain
buckhalter

teams dont really carry 6 backs, take hillis out (other positions..) thats 5 (more reasonable), and that doesnt include the ton of other guys that i dontknow the names of. ive read reports on here that torrain and jordan are expendable, due to not staying healthy and better short yardage backs, respectively.

Actually, a lot of teams carry six backs, and pretty much all at least five. My guess is we carry five with Moreno, Jordan, Buckhalter, and Torrain at HB and Hillis at FB.

SouthStndJunkie
05-27-2009, 06:12 PM
See that Pat....that's the money Josh could have been saving with Geico.

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BroncoInferno
05-27-2009, 06:13 PM
Broncos released/failed physical RB J.J. Arrington.
They're eating a $1.8 million signing bonus, and Arrington never even got in a practice for the team. Denver signed Arrington in March hoping he'd be Josh McDaniels' next Kevin Faulk, but Knowshon Moreno shouldn't be any less effective on passing downs. The move leaves Correll Buckhalter, LaMont Jordan, Darius Walker, and injured Ryan Torain behind Broncos likely starter Moreno. Arrington, 26, won't resurface until his knee gets healthy.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/clubhouse_news.aspx?sport=NFL&majteam=DEN

OK, that is not good. They should have scouted out the knee better.

OBF1
05-27-2009, 06:14 PM
Spin it all you want. No big deal, but another example of inexperience.

I just hope Hillis and Sceff aren't shipped out too, and Torain is probably toast too, since he was no burner to start with....

Now we'll see if Ayers can play OLB.

Idiot. Mock, what does Arrington being released have to do with Ayer's ??? Put down the peanut butter and beer sandwiches

Ratboy
05-27-2009, 06:16 PM
lamont and torrain are next....

Buckhalter and Jordan are next.

Ratboy
05-27-2009, 06:18 PM
ok, 1.8mil is kind of a lot....BUT i am pretty sure they didnt plan on taking a 1st round RB til he sorta fell in there lap

either way, im kind of glad hes gone because he brought nothing that isnt already in a crowded, more talented backfield. as long as buckhalter, hillis and moreno get the carries itll be alright

Wrong. McDaniels said they were targetting Moreno and Ayers the entire time.

worm
05-27-2009, 06:22 PM
ok, 1.8mil is kind of a lot....BUT i am pretty sure they didnt plan on taking a 1st round RB til he sorta fell in there lap


Moreno fell in their lap???

Where did you think he was supposed to be drafted? 10? 8? 5?

WABronco
05-27-2009, 06:26 PM
See that Pat....that's the money Josh could have been saving with Geico.

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AHAHAHA. Props for actually being funny and accurate in your criticism.

Well IMO JJ was a little redundant, unless you think Moreno isn't ready to handle pass catching/scat back type stuff.

Not really a huge harm, not a massive foul.

tsiguy96
05-27-2009, 06:28 PM
Moreno fell in their lap???

Where did you think he was supposed to be drafted? 10? 8? 5?

more like, the players they were targeting otherwise were NOT there. atleast that was teh general perception i got from the denver media. mcdaniels would never publicly say that moreno was not his first choice, not good to piss off your first pick by saying you didnt really want him.

lex
05-27-2009, 06:29 PM
Moreno fell in their lap???

Where did you think he was supposed to be drafted? 10? 8? 5?

Keep in mind who youre talking to. This is a guy who believes in absolute and total submission to the new regime (or perhaps any regime). He is part of the militant arm of Il Duce advocates that feels like he has to get out in front of any possible negative comment about the current regime that might be perceived as a slight. If this was old East Germany, he would be the one guy on the block that likes to report things to the authorities.

tsiguy96
05-27-2009, 06:33 PM
Keep in mind who youre talking to. This is a guy who believes in absolute and total submission to the new regime (or perhaps any regime). He is part of the militant arm of Il Duce advocates that feels like he has to get out in front of any possible negative comment about the current regime that might be perceived as a slight. If this was old East Germany, he would be the one guy on the block that likes to report things to the authorities.

nailed it....

they signed a RB to fill our injury filled/****ty roster of them (multiple RBs were on 1 year/last year deals and were not going to be resigned, those spots needed to be filled) and now that he is still injured and never even sniffed a practice, they cut him after drafting a far better back with their first pick.

they should probably not have signed him specifically given he was coming off surgery, but they had their reasons, just didnt work.

DBroncos4life
05-27-2009, 06:35 PM
I wish I got paid 1.8 million dollars to watch my co workers work.

eddie mac
05-27-2009, 06:35 PM
I'd love to know how Arrington originally passed his physical when he signed that $10m contract.

He hasn't been playing/practicing to do anymore damage to that knee.

That's the first financial **** up.

eddie mac
05-27-2009, 06:37 PM
BTW Torain will be hitting PUP anyway so dont bother counting him for a roster space for the forseeable future.

lex
05-27-2009, 06:38 PM
nailed it....

they signed a RB to fill our injury filled/****ty roster of them (multiple RBs were on 1 year/last year deals and were not going to be resigned, those spots needed to be filled) and now that he is still injured and never even sniffed a practice, they cut him after drafting a far better back with their first pick.

they should probably not have signed him specifically given he was coming off surgery, but they had their reasons, just didnt work.


...like I care.

DBroncos4life
05-27-2009, 06:38 PM
nailed it....

they signed a RB to fill our injury filled/****ty roster of them (multiple RBs were on 1 year/last year deals and were not going to be resigned, those spots needed to be filled) and now that he is still injured and never even sniffed a practice, they cut him after drafting a far better back with their first pick.

they should probably not have signed him specifically given he was coming off surgery, but they had their reasons, just didnt work.

It must be his career 655 yard rushing total that made us toss 1.8 million dollars at his hurt ass. Maybe it was his 3 career rushing TDs. Who knows what it was but lord knows we could have got twice the production at half the cost from a guy like Tatum Bell.

Florida_Bronco
05-27-2009, 06:40 PM
i agree, but when you look at the numbers it still doesnt pan out...

moreno
hillis
jordan
d. walker
torrain
buckhalter

teams dont really carry 6 backs, take hillis out (other positions..) thats 5 (more reasonable), and that doesnt include the ton of other guys that i dontknow the names of. ive read reports on here that torrain and jordan are expendable, due to not staying healthy and better short yardage backs, respectively.

Darius Walker will go long before Torain or Jordan.

ZONA
05-27-2009, 06:59 PM
As if Shanny and other great coaches in the NFL have never signed a guy in the offseason to then cut him before the season started. This just proves my point that no matter what McD does, there will be gutless drunks out there that will criticize every move. McD could go to a local homeless shelter and help feed the needy and you would have guys on here bashing him for not spending that time coaching his players.

Seriously, some of you a-hole clowns, this is getting so stupid. Get the F over it already. Okay, so you don't like him, fine. Spare the mane your constant and redundant bashing. It's always the same handful of guys too. No matter what post it is, I always see those same few names chime in with their BS. You must be fun to live with at home. You probably hold a grudge for years. Christ already, go frickin punch a bag for awhile and get it out of your system. You really are getting to be damn annoying around here.

GreatBronco16
05-27-2009, 07:12 PM
I'd love to know how Arrington originally passed his physical when he signed that $10m contract.

He hasn't been playing/practicing to do anymore damage to that knee.

That's the first financial **** up.

This is what I was going to ask. How did he pass his first physical? Or did they just not even give him one?

TheReverend
05-27-2009, 07:13 PM
Of course it's not good. It was a 4 year deal.

He failed his physical, btw. That's what brought this on.

Why sign a guy to a 4 year deal that can't pass a physical... now that's the stupid part.

TheReverend
05-27-2009, 07:15 PM
I'd love to know how Arrington originally passed his physical when he signed that $10m contract.

He hasn't been playing/practicing to do anymore damage to that knee.

That's the first financial **** up.

He never did.

That's why it took a couple extra weeks. Guessing med staff said it would be ready for camps and this recent testing didn't show progress so they cut their losses.

No-knees Buckhalter is next.

ZONA
05-27-2009, 07:17 PM
He never did.

That's why it took a couple extra weeks. Guessing med staff said it would be ready for camps and this recent testing didn't show progress so they cut their losses.

No-knees Buckhalter is next.

It don't really matter. Moreno and Hillis are gonna see to it that nobody else gets more then a handful of carries all year long. Believe it !!!

TheReverend
05-27-2009, 07:21 PM
It don't really matter. Moreno and Hillis are gonna see to it that nobody else gets more then a handful of carries all year long. Believe it !!!

Awesome. 1.8 million dollars still never even hit the practice field...

Eh, it was a RB, who cares? Let's just hope the defensive signings pan out better this year.

BroncoMan4ever
05-27-2009, 07:25 PM
If we gotta lose another RB, make it Jordan. Keep Buckhalter, Torain, and the rest. Although I doubt that'll happen since Jordan is another ex-Pat pet for McD.

screw that, i want Moreno, Hillis, Buckhalter the guy we signed last week and maybe Jordan screw Torain.

fdf
05-27-2009, 07:35 PM
Well thats just ****ing stupid.

So true. They should keep him on the team even though he had surgery and did not recover and even though we drafted a running back number one. In fact, McDaniels ought to release Moreno, just to make the Arrington signing look good by opening up a roster spot for Arrington.

titan
05-27-2009, 07:35 PM
Is there any confirmation, other than from rotoworld, that the Broncos eat the 1.8 million signing bonus?

Traveler
05-27-2009, 07:37 PM
I thought contracts and bonuses weren't considered valid against the cap until the 1st game of the season.

TheReverend
05-27-2009, 07:39 PM
I thought contracts and bonuses weren't considered valid against the cap until the 1st game of the season.

Signing bonuses are guaranteed. The first game of the season is when salary becomes guaranteed.

Bronco Rob
05-27-2009, 07:43 PM
Only Maurice Clarett did less...

1.8 Million?

Why the?

What the?

Who the?

TheReverend
05-27-2009, 07:44 PM
Only Maurice Clarett did less...

1.8 Million?

Why the?

What the?

Who the?

For free.

lex
05-27-2009, 07:47 PM
As if Shanny and other great coaches in the NFL have never signed a guy in the offseason to then cut him before the season started. This just proves my point that no matter what McD does, there will be gutless drunks out there that will criticize every move. McD could go to a local homeless shelter and help feed the needy and you would have guys on here bashing him for not spending that time coaching his players.

Seriously, some of you a-hole clowns, this is getting so stupid. Get the F over it already. Okay, so you don't like him, fine. Spare the mane your constant and redundant bashing. It's always the same handful of guys too. No matter what post it is, I always see those same few names chime in with their BS. You must be fun to live with at home. You probably hold a grudge for years. Christ already, go frickin punch a bag for awhile and get it out of your system. You really are getting to be damn annoying around here.

So, McDaniels should get a pass? There were plenty of people who were complaining about this when Shanahan did it. Why should McDaniels be spared the same treatment...McDaniels has never won two SBs. If anyone should get a pass its Shanahan for that reason.

broncosteven
05-27-2009, 07:51 PM
ok, 1.8mil is kind of a lot....BUT i am pretty sure they didnt plan on taking a 1st round RB til he sorta fell in there lap

either way, im kind of glad hes gone because he brought nothing that isnt already in a crowded, more talented backfield. as long as buckhalter, hillis and moreno get the carries itll be alright

Now you are full of ****.

They had him on their board.

You could say that Ayers fell into their lap also.

I didn't expect anything from any of the broken down RB's they signed.

The 1.8mil mistake is a terrible mistake. Why didn't this guy fail the physical when he was signed? Why were they giving out a 1.8 mil bonus to a guy his age with health issues?

Why did they sign 2 RB's then covet a 1st round RB in the draft?

I hope the product on the field is better than the off season moves.

SouthStndJunkie
05-27-2009, 07:54 PM
As if Shanny and other great coaches in the NFL have never signed a guy in the offseason to then cut him before the season started. This just proves my point that no matter what McD does, there will be gutless drunks out there that will criticize every move. McD could go to a local homeless shelter and help feed the needy and you would have guys on here bashing him for not spending that time coaching his players.

Seriously, some of you a-hole clowns, this is getting so stupid. Get the F over it already. Okay, so you don't like him, fine. Spare the mane your constant and redundant bashing. It's always the same handful of guys too. No matter what post it is, I always see those same few names chime in with their BS. You must be fun to live with at home. You probably hold a grudge for years. Christ already, go frickin punch a bag for awhile and get it out of your system. You really are getting to be damn annoying around here.

Hello? You think it is that way only with McDaniels?

It is that way with any coach.

There was a group of posters that bashed Shanny's every move as well.

GreatBronco16
05-27-2009, 08:00 PM
I thought contracts became null and void if the players fail their physical. Also, I thought that players had to pass a physical before they could even be offered a contract, esp ones coming off injury.

broncosteven
05-27-2009, 08:09 PM
I thought contracts became null and void if the players fail their physical. Also, I thought that players had to pass a physical before they could even be offered a contract, esp ones coming off injury.

I am surprised they didn't find this early.

They must have wanted him and signed him hoping he would rehab well only to find that he is no better, or worse, than when they signed him.

CHANGSTER
05-27-2009, 08:18 PM
Why are we complaining about losing 1.8 mill of Bowlens money?

Its not like we needed more cap room at this point and it wont affect next years cap in most likelihood.

Lev Vyvanse
05-27-2009, 08:18 PM
So true. They should keep him on the team even though he had surgery and did not recover and even though we drafted a running back number one. In fact, McDaniels ought to release Moreno, just to make the Arrington signing look good by opening up a roster spot for Arrington.
Wow. Yea thats what I was saying. How do you not do a physical on someone before handing them 1.8 million dollars. Better yet if this individual is not going to make your top 5 RB's already on the roster donít ****ing sign him to a bonus of 1.8mil.

El Minion
05-27-2009, 08:20 PM
Broncos released/failed physical RB J.J. Arrington.
They're eating a $1.8 million signing bonus, and Arrington never even got in a practice for the team. Denver signed Arrington in March hoping he'd be Josh McDaniels' next Kevin Faulk, but Knowshon Moreno shouldn't be any less effective on passing downs. The move leaves Correll Buckhalter, LaMont Jordan, Darius Walker, and injured Ryan Torain behind Broncos likely starter Moreno. Arrington, 26, won't resurface until his knee gets healthy.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/clubhouse_news.aspx?sport=NFL&majteam=DEN

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broncosteven
05-27-2009, 08:23 PM
Why are we complaining about losing 1.8 mill of Bowlens money?

Its not like we needed more cap room at this point and it wont affect next years cap in most likelihood.

Because there are rumblings that Bowlen is hurting for $ like the rest of us in the recession.

There were arguments that he let Shanny go because he was spending too much of his $ and he had too many busts. This is McStalins 1st.

CHANGSTER
05-27-2009, 08:33 PM
Because there are rumblings that Bowlen is hurting for $ like the rest of us in the recession.

There were arguments that he let Shanny go because he was spending too much of his $ and he had too many busts. This is McStalins 1st.

Fair enough. Though I think the reaction is a bit overboard.

Would of preferred it was Jordan on his way out this early.

cutthemdown
05-27-2009, 08:37 PM
Cmon don't get mad at coach. I said when he had all the rbs to calm down, the coach smart enough to know injuries will sort a few of them out, then you go to camp, see who survives, then make a depth chart.

Broncos wanted to end up with 4-5 options at RB and IMO that isn't stupid. It's the fans on this board who nitpick every move that are idiots.

TheReverend
05-27-2009, 08:38 PM
Cmon don't get mad at coach. I said when he had all the rbs to calm down, the coach smart enough to know injuries will sort a few of them out, then you go to camp, see who survives, then make a depth chart.

Broncos wanted to end up with 4-5 options at RB and IMO that isn't stupid. It's the fans on this board who nitpick every move that are idiots.

Won't it be funny if all the RBs get injured in camp and Hillis rushes for 2k?

cutthemdown
05-27-2009, 08:38 PM
If he failed a physical they may have a settlement on the money coming. This stuff is all in the CBA and frankly I could care less.

cutthemdown
05-27-2009, 08:38 PM
Won't it be funny if all the RBs get injured in camp and Hillis rushes for 2k?

I could care less what one of them becomes a stud.

TheReverend
05-27-2009, 08:39 PM
I could care less what one of them becomes a stud.

...but if it's Hillis, it's funny because we would've needlessly wasted a ****load of money on Buck, Arrington, Jordan, Moreno.

broncosteven
05-27-2009, 08:39 PM
Won't it be funny if all the RBs get injured in camp and Hillis rushes for 2k?

Or 1k until he gets injured and we end up losing the last 3 games of the year because we have to get a new RB from the cell kiosk at Park medows mall.

TheReverend
05-27-2009, 08:40 PM
Or 1k until he gets injured and we end up losing the last 3 games of the year because we have to get a new RB from the cell kiosk at Park medows mall.

And then Apa posts the phone number.

broncosteven
05-27-2009, 08:48 PM
And then Apa posts the phone number.

And breaks Sassy's PC.

UberBroncoMan
05-27-2009, 08:53 PM
1.8 mill bonus ftw... wonder how much more dead cap the FO is going to create this off season.

cutthemdown
05-27-2009, 08:58 PM
...but if it's Hillis, it's funny because we would've needlessly wasted a ****load of money on Buck, Arrington, Jordan, Moreno.

Oh you mean ironic, yeah it would be. And yes irony can be funny, but not so much when it comes to Broncos. I love them too much.


Also though you could say it was funny how know one really liked the Royal pick, but now most would list him as a top 10 favorite Bronco on team right now.

If Moreno is a bust, and Hillis went on to be Earl Campbell that would be funny, but also really great. Who really cares.

It would also be funny if the Broncos were a lot better this yr then people thought they could be.

Popps
05-27-2009, 09:08 PM
I love how people are peeing their ****ing pants over a signing bonus lost for Arrington, but seem fine with Travis Henry and Javon Walker still being on the payroll to the tune of a few million a year.

Surprised he failed his physical, though I wonder if we'll have some recourse? Eddie Mac needs to weigh in.

Beyond that, not much to see here... outside of another pseudo-drama for the pants-wetters to get worked up about.

Hamrob
05-27-2009, 09:08 PM
If I have a beef with McDaniels about the RB's...its that he signed a bunch of bums all together.

Sure, he made a $1.8m dollar mistake....but that only hits Bowlen's pocketbook.

The Broncos are way under the cap...so other than Pat getting bent over...no harm no foul!

TheReverend
05-27-2009, 09:12 PM
Oh you mean ironic, yeah it would be. And yes irony can be funny, but not so much when it comes to Broncos. I love them too much.


Also though you could say it was funny how know one really liked the Royal pick, but now most would list him as a top 10 favorite Bronco on team right now.

If Moreno is a bust, and Hillis went on to be Earl Campbell that would be funny, but also really great. Who really cares.

It would also be funny if the Broncos were a lot better this yr then people thought they could be.

But he's rushing for 2k, man. All is well.

GoHAM
05-27-2009, 09:23 PM
At least when Pat calls McKid into his office to ask Josh why he feels it's okay to literally throw away $1.8 million, McKid can tell Pat that he's already saved him 10x that amount by trading away next year's top ten draft pick.

thebroncosnation
05-27-2009, 09:52 PM
Well it looks like we were covered by his knee injury waiver. He needs season ending surgery. DP has changed their story somewhat.http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_12461192

broncswin
05-27-2009, 09:54 PM
good signing by McDipshyt

wow, way to be creative with the name calling, your the man!!:thumbs:

TheReverend
05-27-2009, 09:55 PM
Well it looks like we were covered by his knee injury waiver. He needs season ending surgery. DP has changed their story somewhat.http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_12461192

The waiver probably accounts for the other 1.2 million of the 3 million SB. Who knows? It'll all come out soon, I'd guess.

SoCalBronco
05-27-2009, 09:55 PM
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2009/0221/nfl_a_mcdaniels_bowlen_576.jpg

You're doin a heck of a job, Brownie.

broncswin
05-27-2009, 09:56 PM
Won't it be funny if all the RBs get injured in camp and Hillis rushes for 2k?

sure...I guess, as long as we are winning!!

broncswin
05-27-2009, 09:58 PM
Oh you mean ironic, yeah it would be. And yes irony can be funny, but not so much when it comes to Broncos. I love them too much.


Also though you could say it was funny how know one really liked the Royal pick, but now most would list him as a top 10 favorite Bronco on team right now.

If Moreno is a bust, and Hillis went on to be Earl Campbell that would be funny, but also really great. Who really cares.

It would also be funny if the Broncos were a lot better this yr then people thought they could be.

Now that is a good post:strong:

BroncoMan4ever
05-27-2009, 09:59 PM
At least when Pat calls McKid into his office to ask Josh why he feels it's okay to literally throw away $1.8 million, McKid can tell Pat that he's already saved him 10x that amount by trading away next year's top ten draft pick.

Chicago's pick will be higher than our pick will be for next years draft.

doesn't matter anyway. Hillis is going to be better at what Arrington would have been used for anyway. Hillis will end this season with close to 1000 rushing and receiving yards. He is going to be a 3rd down back and have a few designed plays. way too versatile to just relegate to being only a reserve RB and FB.

broncswin
05-27-2009, 10:00 PM
At least when Pat calls McKid into his office to ask Josh why he feels it's okay to literally throw away $1.8 million, McKid can tell Pat that he's already saved him 10x that amount by trading away next year's top ten draft pick.

Not to mention a bitching QB:approve:

Lev Vyvanse
05-27-2009, 10:02 PM
I love how people are peeing their ****ing pants over a signing bonus lost for Arrington, but seem fine with Travis Henry and Javon Walker still being on the payroll to the tune of a few million a year.


That is a great analogy, except one player is now on the books without ever being a bronco.

Hercules Rockefeller
05-27-2009, 10:02 PM
Why are we complaining about losing 1.8 mill of Bowlens money?

Its not like we needed more cap room at this point and it wont affect next years cap in most likelihood.

Well considering there isn't a cap next year, I doubt this move will affect it at all.

Denver724
05-27-2009, 10:19 PM
Burger Bill states that the signing bonus was $100K and a roster bonus of $1.7 mil.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcwest/0-3-2236/Denver-cut-Arrington-after-failed-physical.html

no-pseudo-fan
05-27-2009, 10:19 PM
Big deal. Looks like Moreno will get more carries, and Hillis is better than McD thought.

montrose
05-27-2009, 10:32 PM
So it looks as though there are no financial or cap ramifications to cutting Arrington, sounds fine to me. He became next-to-worthless once Moreno was selected. I actually think we had big plans for him prior but with the chips falling the way they did at #12, we went BPA.

I'm figuring we keep Moreno, Buck and Jordan as our HBs - Hillis can double there while playing the FB spot. Torain can go to PuP and there's always backs available in FA if we go through as many as we did last year.

azbroncfan
05-27-2009, 10:42 PM
I am greatful that Denver got rid of this dude. I have watched him under achieve for years here in AZ. The only thing he does good is on Kick returns and catching it out of the backfield but is really weak running the ball. Good riddance.

bpc
05-27-2009, 10:44 PM
Ho-hum, just another inexperienced day on the job.

Can somebody throw up the Lombardi trophy after JJ Arrington's name?

CHAMPIONSHIP!

ZONA
05-27-2009, 10:52 PM
I don't like the idea of Hillis playing alot of FB. I'd rather keep him fresh for spelling Moreno (often) and also on the field for catching passes and helping pass block. I don't think we will see a ton of plays that use the FB anyway.

footstepsfrom#27
05-27-2009, 11:46 PM
Here's an idea; give a guy his physical before you pay him.

bpc
05-27-2009, 11:48 PM
Why would McDaniels do that. He has x-ray vision which can scan underrated free agents along with paring his draft board down to 100 names because HE'S THAT DAMN GOOD!

DBroncos4life
05-27-2009, 11:56 PM
Here's an idea; give a guy his physical before you pay him.

It cost money to do that.

footstepsfrom#27
05-27-2009, 11:58 PM
It cost money to do that.
Pretty sure it's not $100K.

DBroncos4life
05-27-2009, 11:59 PM
Pretty sure it's not $100K.

I was kidding

footstepsfrom#27
05-28-2009, 12:04 AM
I was kidding
I know.

BabyTO
05-28-2009, 12:28 AM
i agree, but when you look at the numbers it still doesnt pan out...

moreno
hillis
jordan
d. walker
torrain
buckhalter

teams dont really carry 6 backs, take hillis out (other positions..) thats 5 (more reasonable), and that doesnt include the ton of other guys that i dontknow the names of. ive read reports on here that torrain and jordan are expendable, due to not staying healthy and better short yardage backs, respectively.

Torain is still hurt - which basically makes him a lock to make this team. He will likely start out on PUP, he's not gonna take up a roster spot until about week 6 i believe. Then we could get rid of Buckhalter or Jordan. If he's still hurt that is. Maybe he'll be ready for training camp, who knows, then he'd take up a roster spot and if he's ready for camp there's no way we will release the guy. He's far too skilled and he looked impressive last season vs Cleveland.

So as i see it:

Moreno -> Starter
Torain -> 3rd Down
Jordan -> Short Yardage
Buckhalter -> Backup/3rd Down (until Torain gets healthy)

And Hillis shouldn't even be mentioned. He's a FB who can line up all over the field. He's gonna do a little bit of everything next season.

fontaine
05-28-2009, 02:20 AM
Good, I hope this means we get to see Hillis more often as he impressed me as a pass catcher last year also.

Jordan/Buckhalter should be the backups when we've got power and heart with Hillis and a starter in Morena.

BroncoInferno
05-28-2009, 02:34 AM
Burger Bill states that the signing bonus was $100K and a roster bonus of $1.7 mil.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcwest/0-3-2236/Denver-cut-Arrington-after-failed-physical.html

LOL But the needless hand-wringing will continue...

tsiguy96
05-28-2009, 03:09 AM
Torain is still hurt - which basically makes him a lock to make this team. He will likely start out on PUP, he's not gonna take up a roster spot until about week 6 i believe. Then we could get rid of Buckhalter or Jordan. If he's still hurt that is. Maybe he'll be ready for training camp, who knows, then he'd take up a roster spot and if he's ready for camp there's no way we will release the guy. He's far too skilled and he looked impressive last season vs Cleveland.

So as i see it:

Moreno -> Starter
Torain -> 3rd Down
Jordan -> Short Yardage
Buckhalter -> Backup/3rd Down (until Torain gets healthy)

And Hillis shouldn't even be mentioned. He's a FB who can line up all over the field. He's gonna do a little bit of everything next season.

the new coaching staff has zero reason to believe torain will ever play in the NFL. i wonder if hes even getting practice reps? buckhalter will almost assuredly be above him. you have no idea how hillis will get the ball this year or how he will line up, so before you make youre i know everything stance, id quit the prediction business. even if he is a FB, he will carry the ball as well, so he should very well be mentioned.

the real question: since arrington got a 1.7 mil ROSTER BONUS, does that mean he did not get paid that since he didnt make the final roster?

footstepsfrom#27
05-28-2009, 03:33 AM
the real question: since arrington got a 1.7 mil ROSTER BONUS, does that mean he did not get paid that since he didnt make the final roster?
Wow.

Drek
05-28-2009, 04:17 AM
I think the bigger question here, regardless of if Arrington got some small little blip of the total salary cap, is what the hell is wrong with the medical staff?

This doesn't go to McDaniels whatsoever because last I checked he doesn't have a M.D. and I doubt he ever examined Arrington himself.

I have serious reservations about the team's medical staff. This is another in a long line of questionable calls by them, and our team seems to consistently be plagued by conditioning related injuries (the kind you make worse by playing on them to boot) and have shown a habit of clearing guys to play before they probably should.

footstepsfrom#27
05-28-2009, 06:02 AM
I think the bigger question here, regardless of if Arrington got some small little blip of the total salary cap, is what the hell is wrong with the medical staff?

This doesn't go to McDaniels whatsoever because last I checked he doesn't have a M.D. and I doubt he ever examined Arrington himself.

I have serious reservations about the team's medical staff. This is another in a long line of questionable calls by them, and our team seems to consistently be plagued by conditioning related injuries (the kind you make worse by playing on them to boot) and have shown a habit of clearing guys to play before they probably should.
"Long line"..."consistently"..."a habit"...one would think since this has been happening over time, somebody in charge might take care of this issue and replace these guys...no? So the question is, whose job is it to see this and do that?

cutthemdown
05-28-2009, 06:06 AM
Big deal. Looks like Moreno will get more carries, and Hillis is better than McD thought.

People were talking a lot about the rb pecking order before this happened.

I had mentioned that arrington more a 3rd down back, now that Moreno got drafted, and because Moreno a good blocker and receiver, that arrington could be first one to go.

The need for microfracture obvioulsy took care of all that and made it moot.

The point we should all realize though is that the RB pecking order will somewhat be based on who is healthy.

Ideally Broncos want the first round pick to get 300 carries, get 1200 yrds, get 300 receiving, win rookie of the yr. That happens there will only be limited carries for the other backs.

cutthemdown
05-28-2009, 06:10 AM
Torain is still hurt - which basically makes him a lock to make this team. He will likely start out on PUP, he's not gonna take up a roster spot until about week 6 i believe. Then we could get rid of Buckhalter or Jordan. If he's still hurt that is. Maybe he'll be ready for training camp, who knows, then he'd take up a roster spot and if he's ready for camp there's no way we will release the guy. He's far too skilled and he looked impressive last season vs Cleveland.

So as i see it:

Moreno -> Starter
Torain -> 3rd Down
Jordan -> Short Yardage
Buckhalter -> Backup/3rd Down (until Torain gets healthy)

And Hillis shouldn't even be mentioned. He's a FB who can line up all over the field. He's gonna do a little bit of everything next season.


Actually you're being a little to compartmental.

Fact is Moreno is known as a blocker, runner, and receiver. If he becomes the number 1 RB he will play a ton of 3rd downs. Way more then any 3rd down specialist would see.

Also Moreno might not come out on short yardage as much as you think either if he is what Broncos think he is. What does he go 217? He will be 220 before you know it and with his vision and ability you want him getting ball on 3rd downs also.

Now if Moreno cant do all that, you may see a short yrdage back, but I would be surprised if Torain was a better blocker and receiver and took the 3rd downs from Moreno.

cutthemdown
05-28-2009, 06:11 AM
I think the bigger question here, regardless of if Arrington got some small little blip of the total salary cap, is what the hell is wrong with the medical staff?

This doesn't go to McDaniels whatsoever because last I checked he doesn't have a M.D. and I doubt he ever examined Arrington himself.

I have serious reservations about the team's medical staff. This is another in a long line of questionable calls by them, and our team seems to consistently be plagued by conditioning related injuries (the kind you make worse by playing on them to boot) and have shown a habit of clearing guys to play before they probably should.

Didn't Broncos say when they signed him the knee was a question, but they though it worth the look? Swear I remember that. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't get his whole bonus.

Let's wait for a week and see what info comes out.

chrisp
05-28-2009, 06:17 AM
Well it looks like we were covered by his knee injury waiver. He needs season ending surgery. DP has changed their story somewhat.http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_12461192


Hmmmm some people are really doing olympic-standard ignoring of this post.....

Plus wouldn't contract wording and waivers etc be Xanders responsibility anyway? Just Sayin'....

Drek
05-28-2009, 06:29 AM
"Long line"..."consistently"..."a habit"...one would think since this has been happening over time, somebody in charge might take care of this issue and replace these guys...no? So the question is, whose job is it to see this and do that?

I agree completely. If this organization goes through another year of pulled hamstrings, various strained muscles, injuries with definitive time table for return, and when players do return are often visibly hindered, then something needs to be done.

There was a time when the Broncos had one of the best conditioned, healthiest units in football, and we consistently turned it into late game production as other teams would wear out before us. Now I can't help but think we're one of the worst, we consistently look like we're losing the endurance battle game after game and it really shows on special teams.

I don't know if its Bowlen's, McDaniels', or Xanders' call, but someone better have their finger on the pulse of this situation and be ready to make a move if **** goes bad. The new Red Sox ownership gave the existing medical and training staff a little bit to prove they deserved their jobs, when they didn't ownership was quick to make a move. We need to see the same mindset applied here.

footstepsfrom#27
05-28-2009, 06:33 AM
Hmmmm some people are really doing olympic-standard ignoring of this post.....

Plus wouldn't contract wording and waivers etc be Xanders responsibility anyway? Just Sayin'....
I think it's Mike Bluem's job:

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=357&contentID=650

Bluem's current responsibilities include negotiating player contracts; managing the salary cap and player budgets, including forecast analysis of future years as well as compliance with the Collective Bargaining Agreement and NFL Player Personnel rules; and assisting in other areas of player personnel.

Traveler
05-28-2009, 06:40 AM
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Someone needs to evaluate Tuten's training regimine. Especially if injuries continue as they have in recent seasons.

footstepsfrom#27
05-28-2009, 06:51 AM
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Someone needs to evaluate Tuten's training regimine. Especially if injuries continue as they have in recent seasons.
"Someone" is McDaniels. Tuten's an assistant coach, so he's part of his staff.

eddie mac
05-28-2009, 06:54 AM
Depends on what that waiver covers in terms of salary/signing bonus/roster bonus.

If it covers it all, he costs the Broncos nothing and indeed would have to repay the signing bonus if he had already received such.

The language from the Post article leads me to believe the whole contract was covered.

Remember that JJ's contract was initially refused by the NFLPA over certain language so I dont know how Denver tweaked it for it to go through but the changes included a drop in guarantees from $3m initially to $1.8m.

Plus as Herc as already said it does not affect the 2010 Cap simply because there wont be one unless a new agreement is reached.

Drek
05-28-2009, 07:15 AM
"Someone" is McDaniels. Tuten's an assistant coach, so he's part of his staff.

And at least initially its better to see if the medical staff's issues where because Shanahan loved to bet on oft injured rehab projects, or because they just aren't great at their jobs. They do know the medical history of the vast majority of this team's players better than anyone else, so they get some rope. If they hang themselves with it, then we make a move in a timely manner.

This is strike one right here if the medical staff assumed Arrington was close enough/would be close enough to contribute during OTAs.

TonyR
05-28-2009, 07:19 AM
Hmmmm some people are really doing olympic-standard ignoring of this post.....


Too true. Four pages of people saying how stupid McD is when they clearly they don't have a clue what they're talking about, and then when the facts are presented they suddenly grow silent. The overreactions, rushes to judgment, and hatred of our head coach are just unbelievable.

rugbythug
05-28-2009, 07:50 AM
Some People around here just go out of their way to Bash McD. Lets use Reason for a second.

A. If you put a waiver in your contract about a pre-exsisting injury you do it for the whole contract.

B. If you cut someone in May you are doing it for a reason.

C. He Failed a Physical.

We won't be paying JJ a dime for this season. If we were we would have IR'd him.

vancejohnson82
05-28-2009, 08:15 AM
Some People around here just go out of their way to Bash McD. Lets use Reason for a second.

A. If you put a waiver in your contract about a pre-exsisting injury you do it for the whole contract.

B. If you cut someone in May you are doing it for a reason.

C. He Failed a Physical.

We won't be paying JJ a dime for this season. If we were we would have IR'd him.

BUT, BUT, BUT....this somehow has to be McDaniels fault right? Please can it be his fault?

Why are you posting stuff like this, with reason, fact and logic all sprinkled into your posts? I thought we were supposed to be lighting the torches and taking to the streets today.

SoDak Bronco
05-28-2009, 08:19 AM
This may further explain why the Broncos drafted Knowshon Moreno.
The Broncos released J.J. Arrington on Wednesday after it was determined the running back will need season-ending microfracture surgery on his troublesome right knee.
Arrington, who was slated to become the Broncos' third-down back after he was signed away from the NFC champion Arizona Cardinals, had been trying to recover from offseason arthroscopic knee surgery performed by an Arizona surgeon. As Arrington struggled to regain strength in his knee, the Broncos used the No. 12 pick last month to select Moreno, a running back from the University of Georgia.
Arrington will go down as the tailback the Broncos once badly wanted but never had. On Feb. 27, the opening of free agency, the Broncos and Arrington reached an agreement in principle on a four-year, $10 million contract that included a $3 million guarantee in signing bonus and salary.
The deal was never signed, however, because the two sides disagreed over contract language regarding the torn meniscus in Arrington's right knee. A week later, the contract was rewritten and an agreement was reached, this time with a knee-injury waiver against the $3 million.
Even with Arrington gone, the Broncos have considerable tailback depth with Moreno, Correll Buckhalter, LaMont Jordan, Ryan Torain, Darius Walker and Peyton Hillis, whose versatility could earn some third-down snaps. Mike Klis: 303-954-1055 or mklis@denverpost.com (mklis@denverpost.com)

Hogan11
05-28-2009, 08:35 AM
One down......

BabyTO
05-28-2009, 08:46 AM
the new coaching staff has zero reason to believe torain will ever play in the NFL. i wonder if hes even getting practice reps? buckhalter will almost assuredly be above him. you have no idea how hillis will get the ball this year or how he will line up, so before you make youre i know everything stance, id quit the prediction business. even if he is a FB, he will carry the ball as well, so he should very well be mentioned.

the real question: since arrington got a 1.7 mil ROSTER BONUS, does that mean he did not get paid that since he didnt make the final roster?

They do have faith in Torain and they do think highly of him, otherwise he would have been gone a long time ago, along with those other bums (Robertson etc.). The coaching staff is keeping him around because he's worth it. What Shanahan said about him already is more than enough (for me) to keep him around. Everyone knows he's got 1st round talent, Shanahan said he's the best or most talented back he's ever seen. Keep him around. Lamont Jordan or Buckhalter have zero upside. Camp fodder. These guys are just waiting out there for somebody to give them a call, to offer them a job.

vancejohnson82
05-28-2009, 08:46 AM
One down......

I dont think Darius Walker makes it through the second week of TC...

he doesnt play special teams right?

BabyTO
05-28-2009, 08:57 AM
Peter King reports Denver only paid him $100,000, and released him now to avoid a roster bonus.
:notworthy

montrose
05-28-2009, 09:22 AM
the real question: since arrington got a 1.7 mil ROSTER BONUS, does that mean he did not get paid that since he didnt make the final roster?

As has been reported now by the Post and others, the rewritten contract Arrington signed protected the Broncos and there should be little-to-no cap or cash ramfications to the release.

Fact is Moreno is known as a blocker, runner, and receiver. If he becomes the number 1 RB he will play a ton of 3rd downs. Way more then any 3rd down specialist would see.

Knowshon's been referred to as an every-down back with good reason. Oskie compares him to Thurman Thomas and Tiki Barber. Some of the highlights I've seen of him compare in many ways to Brian Westbrook and Kevin Faulk when it comes to 3rd down responsiblities. Moreno could certainly start and be an everydown back from the begining of the season, but I wouldn't be stunned if he begins the year primarily as the 3rd down back with Buck and Jordan in on running downs. I'd expect that eventually Moreno will take on the full roll, but it is possible he isn't handed all 3 downs from the start.

Also Moreno might not come out on short yardage as much as you think either if he is what Broncos think he is. What does he go 217? He will be 220 before you know it and with his vision and ability you want him getting ball on 3rd downs also.

I think he's actually closer to 207, regardless I think we could see him on some short yardage plays - particularly toss sweeps. With that, Jordan and Hillis both seem like better options there. McDaniels favorite play on 3rd and 1 was a FB dive so it's entirely possible we could run Hillis at FB and Jordan, Buck or Knowshon at HB out of the I in short yardage situations. They've also been using Larsen a bit at FB so the possiblity of Hillis being at HB out of the I in short yardage is also possible although he ran his best last year from singleback sets. I think we've got a lot of possiblities and I expect McDaniels to ride the hot hand at RB which is what he did with the Pats last season.

Now if Moreno cant do all that, you may see a short yrdage back, but I would be surprised if Torain was a better blocker and receiver and took the 3rd downs from Moreno.

There's no way Torain (if even makes the roster) takes 3rd downs. That's Moreno's spot for sure as he's by far the most similar player to Faulk on the roster. Buckhalter and Hillis are both better options than Torain there as well. Again, I'm sure the long-term plan is for Knowshon to be the full-time HB but for the begining of 2009 - they may start him primarily as the 3rd down back and let Buck, Hillis and Jordan take the pounding.

Didn't Broncos say when they signed him the knee was a question, but they though it worth the look? Swear I remember that. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't get his whole bonus.

He showed up at DIA on cruches to sign his contract (it was on CBS4). The contract was voided a few days later for language and re-written to protect the Broncos from this instance. Solid work from Xanders and the front office.

DarkHorse
05-28-2009, 10:13 AM
Crossing my fingers that the O-mane induced next greatest running back since **********, Ryan Torain is next.

HEAV
05-28-2009, 10:18 AM
Peter King reports Denver only paid him $100,000, and released him now to avoid a roster bonus.


On Feb. 27, the opening of free agency, the Broncos and Arrington reached an agreement in principle on a four-year, $10 million contract that included a $3 million guarantee in signing bonus and salary.

The deal was never signed, however, because the two sides disagreed over contract language regarding the torn meniscus in Arrington's right knee. A week later, the contract was rewritten and an agreement was reached, this time with a knee-injury waiver against the $3 million.

Just making it clear to all the f*cktards that love to fly off the handle, dropping their peanut butter and picking up their McDaniels hating hats and start thier shtick...

tsiguy96
05-28-2009, 10:25 AM
suck it foosteps. quit acting like you know everything. its amazing how little you actually know.

cutthemdown
05-28-2009, 10:33 AM
This may further explain why the Broncos drafted Knowshon Moreno.
The Broncos released J.J. Arrington on Wednesday after it was determined the running back will need season-ending microfracture surgery on his troublesome right knee.
Arrington, who was slated to become the Broncos' third-down back after he was signed away from the NFC champion Arizona Cardinals, had been trying to recover from offseason arthroscopic knee surgery performed by an Arizona surgeon. As Arrington struggled to regain strength in his knee, the Broncos used the No. 12 pick last month to select Moreno, a running back from the University of Georgia.
Arrington will go down as the tailback the Broncos once badly wanted but never had. On Feb. 27, the opening of free agency, the Broncos and Arrington reached an agreement in principle on a four-year, $10 million contract that included a $3 million guarantee in signing bonus and salary.
The deal was never signed, however, because the two sides disagreed over contract language regarding the torn meniscus in Arrington's right knee. A week later, the contract was rewritten and an agreement was reached, this time with a knee-injury waiver against the $3 million.
Even with Arrington gone, the Broncos have considerable tailback depth with Moreno, Correll Buckhalter, LaMont Jordan, Ryan Torain, Darius Walker and Peyton Hillis, whose versatility could earn some third-down snaps. Mike Klis: 303-954-1055 or mklis@denverpost.com (mklis@denverpost.com)



Exactly. I was saying to people calm down the Broncos know what they are doing way more then you do. Of course they protected themselves when they already knew knee was a possible problem.

Everyone so quick to judge broncos inept fools right now.

The RB spot suddenly is less crowded.

tsiguy96
05-28-2009, 10:36 AM
i just want to point out that footsteps is an absolute moron again. his constant blabbering and tomfoolery prove it day in and day out. suck it footsteps

BroncoMan4ever
05-28-2009, 10:37 AM
Knowshon's been referred to as an every-down back with good reason. Oskie compares him to Thurman Thomas and Tiki Barber. Some of the highlights I've seen of him compare in many ways to Brian Westbrook and Kevin Faulk when it comes to 3rd down responsiblities. Moreno could certainly start and be an everydown back from the begining of the season, but I wouldn't be stunned if he begins the year primarily as the 3rd down back with Buck and Jordan in on running downs. I'd expect that eventually Moreno will take on the full roll, but it is possible he isn't handed all 3 downs from the start.


There's no way Torain (if even makes the roster) takes 3rd downs. That's Moreno's spot for sure as he's by far the most similar player to Faulk on the roster. Buckhalter and Hillis are both better options than Torain there as well. Again, I'm sure the long-term plan is for Knowshon to be the full-time HB but for the begining of 2009 - they may start him primarily as the 3rd down back and let Buck, Hillis and Jordan take the pounding.



i am sorry to say this, but we spent the 12th pick in the draft on Moreno. there is no chance in hell he is used only as a 3rd down back to begin the season so as not to take a pounding.

his running style limits the amount of big hits he takes, he is too good to relegate to 3rd down status in favor of Buckhalter, Jordan or even Hillis in on the running downs even to start the season. plus he is far better than every back on the roster(possible exclusion of Hillis but his style is different so i am not really counting him in this) and because of that will not be limited in his carries to begin the season and his career.

HEAV
05-28-2009, 10:38 AM
"Someone" is McDaniels. Tuten's an assistant coach, so he's part of his staff.

Rich Tuten enters his 15th season as the Denver Broncos' strength and conditioning coach in 2009.


So what about the former coach that allowed Tuten to stay?

Josh kept a few Shanny holdovers and will evaluate them this year. Then he will decide if to keep them on in 2010 or find a replacement. Tuten is being watched this offseason.

azbroncfan
05-28-2009, 10:39 AM
I surprised this is even news since he has been a constant underachiever.

montrose
05-28-2009, 10:43 AM
i am sorry to say this, but we spent the 12th pick in the draft on Moreno. there is no chance in hell he is used only as a 3rd down back to begin the season so as not to take a pounding.

his running style limits the amount of big hits he takes, he is too good to relegate to 3rd down status in favor of Buckhalter, Jordan or even Hillis in on the running downs even to start the season. plus he is far better than every back on the roster(possible exclusion of Hillis but his style is different so i am not really counting him in this) and because of that will not be limited in his carries to begin the season and his career.

I agree, and I expect Moreno to be the full-time back on opening day - just saying I wouldn't be suprised if they work him into the roll as they worked Maroney in back in 2006.

worm
05-28-2009, 11:05 AM
i just want to point out that footsteps is an absolute moron again. his constant blabbering and tomfoolery prove it day in and day out. suck it footsteps

Quit that tomfoolery footsteps!!!

worm
05-28-2009, 11:16 AM
IMO, Moreno won't see the field in a full-time role until he can prove that he can limit his poor carries. 35 carries for <=0 yards in 13 games won't cut it at the pro-level.

Also don't see him running the sweeps you are talking about Montrose. Not really his strength. He seems to be more of a bouncer. Inside-out or outside-in. He would be perfect in the old, one cut and go O.

rugbythug
05-28-2009, 11:16 AM
If Tuten Was the Strenght and Conditioning Coach in 96,97,98, and 05 Years of exceedingly good health. Why should he also be fired when the team has realitive bad health?

cutthemdown
05-28-2009, 11:19 AM
Moreno weighed in at the combine at 217 pounds.

cutthemdown
05-28-2009, 11:20 AM
If Tuten Was the Strenght and Conditioning Coach in 96,97,98, and 05 Years of exceedingly good health. Why should he also be fired when the team has realitive bad health?

It's called looking for a scapegoat. Fact is Shanny brought in injury concern players, players that were small, players that didn't play physical.

Mr.Meanie
05-28-2009, 11:22 AM
i just want to point out that footsteps is an absolute moron again. his constant blabbering and tomfoolery prove it day in and day out. suck it footsteps

and stop with the shenanigans

ElwayMD
05-28-2009, 11:35 AM
and stop with the shenanigans

No jibba jabba either!

montrose
05-28-2009, 11:42 AM
Also don't see him running the sweeps you are talking about Montrose. Not really his strength. He seems to be more of a bouncer. Inside-out or outside-in. He would be perfect in the old, one cut and go O.

Makes sense. Again, I haven't seen a ton of Moreno game film so I'm largely going off of what I've gathered from others. The reason I mentioned sweeps was that last year in short yardage, I noticed McDaniels was a fan of sweeping with Faulk and Maroney (while he sent Morris and Jordan off tackle more often). I'm really excited to see Knowshon at camp to get a feel for his abilities.

Moreno weighed in at the combine at 217 pounds.

That's awesome, for some reason I thought he was 207, maybe his previously listed playing weight?

footstepsfrom#27
05-28-2009, 12:52 PM
suck it foosteps. quit acting like you know everything. its amazing how little you actually know.
I'm not sure what your feeble mind is contemplating here, but I probably forgot more between lunch and dinner yesterday than you've yet learned.

rugbythug
05-28-2009, 01:29 PM
I'm not sure what your feeble mind is contemplating here, but I probably forgot more between lunch and dinner yesterday than you've yet learned.

You are Super Awesome!!!

footstepsfrom#27
05-28-2009, 01:31 PM
You are Super Awesome!!!
Not really...Moc's cat probably did likewise.

footstepsfrom#27
05-28-2009, 01:37 PM
I agree, and I expect Moreno to be the full-time back on opening day - just saying I wouldn't be suprised if they work him into the roll as they worked Maroney in back in 2006.
The thing about Moreno is, he probably does most everything better than the rest of them, regardless of down. If he lives up to his scouting reports, I can't see any of these backup types taking the job. They're all journeymen, so unless he just bombs, he's going to get carries and catches. Hillis will take some, but given how vital this running game will be this year, outside of giving him a breather, why would they put anyone else in there?

broncswin
05-28-2009, 03:53 PM
Rich Tuten enters his 15th season as the Denver Broncos' strength and conditioning coach in 2009.


So what about the former coach that allowed Tuten to stay?

Josh kept a few Shanny holdovers and will evaluate them this year. Then he will decide if to keep them on in 2010 or find a replacement. Tuten is being watched this offseason.

You beat me to it heav, I loved Shanny...err wait a minute McShannysh*t, there I feel much better now, look how I changed his name Ha Ha

gunns
05-28-2009, 04:37 PM
The way I look at it we have one RB. The rest are physical wrecks. All of them until proven otherwise.

Beantown Bronco
05-28-2009, 04:56 PM
Only Maurice Clarett did less...


False - Clarett made it onto the practice field a few times. Arrington did not.

cutthemdown
05-28-2009, 04:57 PM
Makes sense. Again, I haven't seen a ton of Moreno game film so I'm largely going off of what I've gathered from others. The reason I mentioned sweeps was that last year in short yardage, I noticed McDaniels was a fan of sweeping with Faulk and Maroney (while he sent Morris and Jordan off tackle more often). I'm really excited to see Knowshon at camp to get a feel for his abilities.



That's awesome, for some reason I thought he was 207, maybe his previously listed playing weight?



For some reason the weight you mentioned seemed to ring a bell, but then i also thought bigger so I googled it and found 2 or 3 that said 217.

But I found a thing from the start of his Freshman yr that was 205.

So he got about 10-12 pounds bigger over college career. IMO that sounds about right and very logical.

So I think we were both right, just I remembered something more recent.

montrose
05-28-2009, 06:29 PM
For some reason the weight you mentioned seemed to ring a bell, but then i also thought bigger so I googled it and found 2 or 3 that said 217.

But I found a thing from the start of his Freshman yr that was 205.

So he got about 10-12 pounds bigger over college career. IMO that sounds about right and very logical.

So I think we were both right, just I remembered something more recent.

Sounds good, I've been using UGA a lot on NCAA 09 and I think 207 may be his listed weight there.

footstepsfrom#27
05-28-2009, 07:45 PM
Too true. Four pages of people saying how stupid McD is when they clearly they don't have a clue what they're talking about, and then when the facts are presented they suddenly grow silent. The overreactions, rushes to judgment, and hatred of our head coach are just unbelievable.
What's funny about this...is that I counted only 15 posts in this thread up to post 109 here...(the same number now)...are actually bashing the coach.

13.7%

:kiss:

DBroncos4life
05-28-2009, 07:49 PM
What's funny about this...is that I counted only 15 posts in this thread up to post 109 here...(the same number now)...are actually bashing the coach.

13.7%

:kiss:

This is a group of fans that will turn on its own mother if they feel the need too. It happened with Griese, Plummer, Shanny, and Cutler. The cool kids just started doing it right away so we don't have to be followers :sunshine:

footstepsfrom#27
05-28-2009, 07:58 PM
This is a group of fans that will turn on its own mother if they feel the need too. It happened with Griese, Plummer, Shanny, and Cutler. The cool kids just started doing it right away so we don't have to be followers :sunshine:
Ha! QFT.

SureShot
05-28-2009, 08:10 PM
Quit that tomfoolery footsteps!!!

Yes Footsteps, and stop the buffoonery as well!

TonyR
05-28-2009, 08:56 PM
What's funny about this...is that I counted only 15 posts in this thread up to post 109 here...(the same number now)...are actually bashing the coach.


How about the overreactions and rushes to judgment? I know, footy, it's hard to admit when you're wrong...

broncosteven
05-28-2009, 08:58 PM
What's funny about this...is that I counted only 15 posts in this thread up to post 109 here...(the same number now)...are actually bashing the coach.

13.7%

:kiss:

But I thought EVERYONE hates McStalin? Maybe I should drink the koolaid and join the group of McStalin nuthuggers.

tsiguy96
05-28-2009, 09:03 PM
i just want everyone to know, footsteps essentially NEVER knows what he is speaking about. ever. in any sense of any conversation regarding anything. therefore, that is all.

OABB
05-28-2009, 09:10 PM
Why all the footsteps hate.

He is the most reasonable, respectful, well versed, intelligent, awesome poster who has forgotten more in these last two minutes than we will ever know.

...now how do I turn this sarcasm button off?

footstepsfrom#27
05-28-2009, 09:15 PM
i just want everyone to know, footsteps essentially NEVER knows what he is speaking about. ever. in any sense of any conversation regarding anything. therefore, that is all.
You do a better job of dissing yourself than I can.

TonyR
05-28-2009, 09:17 PM
Here's an idea; give a guy his physical before you pay him.

Any more great ideas, footy?

footstepsfrom#27
05-28-2009, 09:18 PM
Why all the footsteps hate.

He is the most reasonable, respectful, well versed, intelligent, awesome poster who has forgotten more in these last two minutes than we will ever know.

...now how do I turn this sarcasm button off?
And you do nothing to provoke my disdain do you?

footstepsfrom#27
05-28-2009, 09:20 PM
Any more great ideas, footy?
Are you saying it's not a good idea?

OABB
05-28-2009, 09:20 PM
And you do nothing to provoke my disdain do you?

:thumbs:

TonyR
05-28-2009, 09:23 PM
Are you saying it's not a good idea?

You know EXACTLY what I'm saying. But you're not man enough to step up and admit you were wrong. You choose to play games instead. You've been EXPOSED!

footstepsfrom#27
05-28-2009, 09:25 PM
You know EXACTLY what I'm saying. But you're not man enough to step up and admit you were wrong. You choose to play games instead. You've been EXPOSED!
Eh...not exactly. Why don't you spell it out.

OABB
05-28-2009, 09:25 PM
You know EXACTLY what I'm saying. But you're not man enough to step up and admit you were wrong. You choose to play games instead. You've been EXPOSED!

lol....

broncosteven
05-28-2009, 09:25 PM
i just want everyone to know, footsteps essentially NEVER knows what he is speaking about. ever. in any sense of any conversation regarding anything. therefore, that is all.

And you are Albert Einsteins great granddaughter...

OABB
05-28-2009, 09:25 PM
Eh...not exactly. Why don't you spell it out.

I'll try...


S-A-R-C-A-S-M

spdirty
05-28-2009, 11:54 PM
Shlt, these clowns are just getting comical. The only thing us as Broncos fans can do is laugh at them to keep from crying. Hell Matt Millen thinks we are a joke.

Wonder how much I could get if I just went to Dove Valley and did some jogging around there, some pushups, situps, etc. What are the odds that this moron will sign me to at least a million dollar deal?

footstepsfrom#27
05-29-2009, 12:29 AM
Shlt, these clowns are just getting comical. The only thing us as Broncos fans can do is laugh at them to keep from crying. Hell Matt Millen thinks we are a joke.

Wonder how much I could get if I just went to Dove Valley and did some jogging around there, some pushups, situps, etc. What are the odds that this moron will sign me to at least a million dollar deal?
Not happening...it's only $100K until you make the roster. ;D

montrose
05-29-2009, 04:55 AM
Shlt, these clowns are just getting comical. The only thing us as Broncos fans can do is laugh at them to keep from crying. Hell Matt Millen thinks we are a joke.

Wonder how much I could get if I just went to Dove Valley and did some jogging around there, some pushups, situps, etc. What are the odds that this moron will sign me to at least a million dollar deal?

I know right! Man if there's one thing I miss about Shanny it's his awesome track record of acquiring players like Niko Koutouvides, Keary Colbert, Javon Walker, Travis Henry, Sam Adams, Dewayne Robertson, Daryl Gardener, Dale Carter, Adam Meadows, Kenard Lang, Alvin McKinley, Paul Smith, Leon Lett, Lional Dalton, Kavika Pittman, Lester Archambeau, Keith Washington, Luther Ellis, Raylee Johnson, Blake Brockermeyer, Jed Weaver, Billy Jenkins, Izell Reese and David Terrell! What is this McDaniels clown thinking? He needs to get on the phone with Buffalo and make a deal for John McCargo now before some other team looks over his injury history and sucky play! I mean, the guy was a 1st round pick in 2006!

spdirty
05-29-2009, 06:35 PM
I know right! Man if there's one thing I miss about Shanny it's his awesome track record of acquiring players like Niko Koutouvides, Keary Colbert, Javon Walker, Travis Henry, Sam Adams, Dewayne Robertson, Daryl Gardener, Dale Carter, Adam Meadows, Kenard Lang, Alvin McKinley, Paul Smith, Leon Lett, Lional Dalton, Kavika Pittman, Lester Archambeau, Keith Washington, Luther Ellis, Raylee Johnson, Blake Brockermeyer, Jed Weaver, Billy Jenkins, Izell Reese and David Terrell! What is this McDaniels clown thinking? He needs to get on the phone with Buffalo and make a deal for John McCargo now before some other team looks over his injury history and sucky play! I mean, the guy was a 1st round pick in 2006!

Thought thats the kind of shlt that got Shanny fired in the first place right? And that 1.8 mil couldve went a way towards making 15 happy as well.

TonyR
05-29-2009, 06:46 PM
Thought thats the kind of shlt that got Shanny fired in the first place right? And that 1.8 mil couldve went a way towards making 15 happy as well.

$1.8 million wasn't spent. You need to catch up. footy likes to say "give a guy his physical before you pay him." I like to say "know what you're talking about before ranting like a lunatic."

montrose
05-29-2009, 06:47 PM
Thought thats the kind of shlt that got Shanny fired in the first place right? And that 1.8 mil couldve went a way towards making 15 happy as well.

It certainly contributed to his dimissal. We still have the $1.8 million, you may have missed it but the Broncos protected themselves in the contract and DO NOT owe Arrington $1.8 million. It's as if he were never signed...

cutthemdown
05-29-2009, 06:53 PM
People making a big deal of this are foolish indeed. Arrington was worth a look because he did play well at times over his career. You can never have too many healthy RBS that have played in the NFL. Stocking your team with them is smart because we have seen how quickly they can go to the IR.

The Broncos protected themselves, they didn't lost money. Signing arrington even if we wasted the 1.8 million, still is not the reason we didn't sign Haynesworth or Ray Lewis.

People need to friggin relax. None of you know a think about running a football team. We are fans, we watch, then bitch and moan or cheer. To start bitching and moaning the team stinks before it's even played is not really the role of the fan.

spdirty
05-29-2009, 07:05 PM
It certainly contributed to his dimissal. We still have the $1.8 million, you may have missed it but the Broncos protected themselves in the contract and DO NOT owe Arrington $1.8 million. It's as if he were never signed...

k.

footstepsfrom#27
05-29-2009, 07:08 PM
$1.8 million wasn't spent. You need to catch up. footy likes to say "give a guy his physical before you pay him." I like to say "know what you're talking about before ranting like a lunatic."
I was referring to the $100K he got as a signing bonus since that what the article by Burger Bill quoting Peter King said he got...not $1.8 million, which I never indicated anywhere in here was spent since obviously a roster bonus isn't earned before TC even starts...though tsidiot asked earlier if that was the case.

My point...why not give him a physical first?

Is there something about that you disagree with? Bowlen did after all, terminate employees recently while he was poor mouthing about the team's finances and the economy. But hey...his money so I could give a crap how he spends it.

dbfan21
06-01-2009, 07:22 AM
This is from King's MMQB today on the siutuation...

A few days ago, it was reported that J.J. Arrington, the running back of the Broncos, was cut. Immediately on Twitter, cries of "stupid Broncos'' went out, seeing that the team had signed him to a reported four-year, $10-million deal with a hefty signing bonus just a couple of months ago in free-agency. Well, originally it sounded like Denver cut him because of an overcrowded backfield, and I thought he'd get his knee healthy and play somewhere else this year. But then it became apparent that his knee likely would prevent him from playing this year.

I made a call to find out exactly what his contract was. Turns out Denver paid him only $100,000 to sign, with the first portion of a hefty $300,000 roster bonus due in June. So if Arrington wasn't going to play this year, Denver was smart to dump him when it did. I tweeted Thursday morning: "When you look at the Arrington deal, Denver rented him for 3 months for 100k to see if he could come back. No harm, no foul.'' I don't know if it put the fire out right away, but it should have. I can't answer questions that quickly all the time, obviously, but when I can, and it's about something of a minor nature like the Arrington deal, why not Tweet the answer a bunch of fans want to know?

barryr
06-01-2009, 02:20 PM
Like Shanahan or any other coach doesn't release players after signing them. More idiot BS complaining about nothing.

DBroncos4life
06-01-2009, 02:26 PM
This is from King's MMQB today on the siutuation...

A few days ago, it was reported that J.J. Arrington, the running back of the Broncos, was cut. Immediately on Twitter, cries of "stupid Broncos'' went out, seeing that the team had signed him to a reported four-year, $10-million deal with a hefty signing bonus just a couple of months ago in free-agency. Well, originally it sounded like Denver cut him because of an overcrowded backfield, and I thought he'd get his knee healthy and play somewhere else this year. But then it became apparent that his knee likely would prevent him from playing this year.

I made a call to find out exactly what his contract was. Turns out Denver paid him only $100,000 to sign, with the first portion of a hefty $300,000 roster bonus due in June. So if Arrington wasn't going to play this year, Denver was smart to dump him when it did. I tweeted Thursday morning: "When you look at the Arrington deal, Denver rented him for 3 months for 100k to see if he could come back. No harm, no foul.'' I don't know if it put the fire out right away, but it should have. I can't answer questions that quickly all the time, obviously, but when I can, and it's about something of a minor nature like the Arrington deal, why not Tweet the answer a bunch of fans want to know?

Really there is no harm in renting a player for 3 months for 100k? Denver would have been smart not to sign his ass at all and wait for him to heal then maybe sign him. As for that 100k maybe they could have givin that to the Darrent Williams fund. But hey why not rent a broken human for 100k.

PS why not rent Travis Henry so they can garnish his wage for his eleventy million kids.

gyldenlove
06-01-2009, 02:30 PM
Shlt, these clowns are just getting comical. The only thing us as Broncos fans can do is laugh at them to keep from crying. Hell Matt Millen thinks we are a joke.

Wonder how much I could get if I just went to Dove Valley and did some jogging around there, some pushups, situps, etc. What are the odds that this moron will sign me to at least a million dollar deal?

That may be a good thing, I would be really worried if what we were doing made sense to Matt Millen, that is a clear sign of failure.