Hotrods take on current world issues

[Hotrod]

First thing I would do if it were my call is pull all our men/women out of S Korea. They honestly serve little purpose as N Korea will simply rocket/mortar S Korea out of existance. That being the case we are simply putting our people there as a deterrence to lil madman not to kill Americans. Not an acceptable use of American forces IMHO

Second there is no really good option to N Korea. The only one that may work IMO is to off lil madman Kim but I doubt Barry Obama would have the balls to make such a move.

Iran we should simply green light Israel and let them take care of our light work.

Where am I wrong???

[Rohirrim]

I thought you were just going to post...

We're ****ed.

[Hotrod]

I thought you were just going to post...

We're ****ed.

Would have been a shorter version of what I did say Ha!

[Hotrod]

seriously were talking about everything but the N Korea issue. :nono:

Gaff is it the jews fault???

[BABronco]

Who is this hotrod you speak of?

[Garcia Bronco]

Who is hotrod?

[Hotrod]

He is a very wise man or is that wise ass? I can never keep it straight

[Meck77]

F
Iran we should simply green light Israel and let them take care of our light work.

Where am I wrong???

Our? You mean their. Iraq was Israel's problem not ours. Same with Iran.

Had we not messed with Israel's problems there would have been no 9-11. See Bin Laden's declaration of war on America.

[That One Guy]

Our? You mean their. Iraq was Israel's problem not ours. Same with Iran.

Had we not messed with Israel's problems there would have been no 9-11. See Bin Laden's declaration of war on America.

So are you an advocate of just letting Israel take it from all the surrounding Arabic nations? Create a Jewish state in the heartland of Islam and then leave them on their own? That's a terrible idea.

With protecting Israel comes the responsibility to not let them pick fights with their neighbors. The destruction of Iran by Israel would create way more problems than it would fix, I'd think.

[Spider]

So are you an advocate of just letting Israel take it from all the surrounding Arabic nations? Create a Jewish state in the heartland of Islam and then leave them on their own? That's a terrible idea.

With protecting Israel comes the responsibility to not let them pick fights with their neighbors. The destruction of Iran by Israel would create way more problems than it would fix, I'd think.

Dip**** . it isnt like Israel cant defend themselfs .............we dont have to protect Israel , what in the **** is wrong with you ?

[Spider]

Our? You mean their. Iraq was Israel's problem not ours. Same with Iran.

Had we not messed with Israel's problems there would have been no 9-11. See Bin Laden's declaration of war on America.

we would have came along ways in settling this **** if we nabbed bin Laden

[TailgateNut]

we would have came along ways in settling this **** if we nabbed bin Laden



That would have been akin to shooting ones' self in the foot. Bin Laden would have made it clear that Iraq had no connection to 9-11, and that Bush was full of ****.

[Spider]

That would have been akin to shooting ones' self in the foot. Bin Laden would have made it clear that Iraq had no connection to 9-11, and that Bush was full of ****.

Yeah Iraq , that was a cluster **** ..........

[Rohirrim]

I spent some time up on the DMZ in Korea. We had this whacked out general who for some reason thought it was cool to walk around with a pearl handled revolver in a holster. Anyway, one day he gave a speech and told us that if the N.Koreans ever attacked our unit would suffer a 92% casualty rate. "The other 8%," he said, "Would be on state-side leave." Ha!

[Meck77]

we would have came along ways in settling this **** if we nabbed bin Laden

Bin Laden, Bin Laden II, Bin Laden's cousin, Alah whoever, 1 Billion other American hating muslims ready to die for allah etc etc etc.....

Getting Bin Laden would be more symbolic than anything. Our stance with Israel will create another Bin Laden is my point if we go after Iran.

Cah-I don't advocate letting anything happening to Israel. As Spider said they have the ability to protect themselves. For crying out loud Cah your tax dollars (Hundreds of millions) go to them every year to arm them. Why should America spend more billions on the defense in Israel? Why should American men/women die on their behalf?

You saw what Israel did to Lebanon. Oh and save me the war will get worse BS if Israel gets involved in fixing their own problems. It's already a cluster ****.

I'm all for protecting America, getting people back to work here, and bringing out troops back to protect our borders from the war brewing in Mexico that is spreading into America. In fact my girlfriends parents were just robbed in Phoenix by some illegals. They had all the families valuables in a van ready to go. Luckily a neighbor called the cops and busted them. It's getting real bad in AZ.

[TailgateNut]

I spent some time up on the DMZ in Korea. We had this whacked out general who for some reason thought it was cool to walk around with a pearl handled revolver in a holster. Anyway, one day he gave a speech and told us that if the N.Koreans ever attacked our unit would suffer a 92% casualty rate. "The other 8%," he said, "Would be on state-side leave." Ha!


I spent some time flying patrol on the DMZ and unless we change our rules of engagement, we would be fugged. NK is as off balance as were the vietnamese. "Ya can only fight crazy with crazy"

[That One Guy]

Dip**** . it isnt like Israel cant defend themselfs .............we dont have to protect Israel , what in the **** is wrong with you ?

Show me what basis you use to claim that Israel could withstand an Arabic assault. There's a lot of countries that don't want them there. I've done some wargaming with Israeli warfighting scenarios so I'm curious to see what makes you think this is such an absolute fact.

They have a very competent INF and much of the technology from the US but just as China would give the US problems - numbers and logistical networks will make the difference. Such a small state cannot ramp up production to support a war effort like the US could and having the 20-25th largest Army will only go so far. One or two Arab countries could win that war through attrition alone. And someone cited Lebanon... Israel was smart to pull back. That was a mess they didn't want to get into for too long.

[Spider]

Show me what basis you use to claim that Israel could withstand an Arabic assault. There's a lot of countries that don't want them there. I've done some wargaming with Israeli warfighting scenarios so I'm curious to see what makes you think this is such an absolute fact.

They have a very competent INF and much of the technology from the US but just as China would give the US problems - numbers and logistical networks will make the difference. Such a small state cannot ramp up production to support a war effort like the US could and having the 20-25th largest Army will only go so far. One or two Arab countries could win that war through attrition alone. And someone cited Lebanon... Israel was smart to pull back. That was a mess they didn't want to get into for too long.
they are more organized then the middle east , no way HAAMAS would use terrorist tactics , if they could face the IDF toe to toe , Turkey wouldnt get involved , neither would Egypt ,Iran has to cross alot of country side , they couldnt mount the logistics to supply an army for what they need , that leaves Saudi Arabia who has their own problems

[Spider]

Common ****ing Sense , you Idiots been telling US Saddam was a great threat, that silly bastard couldnt even get out of his own country .........

[Garcia Bronco]

I spent some time flying patrol on the DMZ and unless we change our rules of engagement, we would be fugged. NK is as off balance as were the vietnamese. "Ya can only fight crazy with crazy"

We wouldn't be able to lob cruise missles into their forward area?

[Meck77]

Common ****ing Sense , you Idiots been telling US Saddam was a great threat, that silly bastard couldnt even get out of his own country .........

Correction...Israel convinced the united states Saddam was a threat. They are doing the same thing with Iran. Fool me once shame on you.....Fool me twice shame on me...

[Rohirrim]

I spent some time flying patrol on the DMZ and unless we change our rules of engagement, we would be fugged. NK is as off balance as were the vietnamese. "Ya can only fight crazy with crazy"

Those South Korean Marines are pretty whacked too. We used to see them come running down the road at dawn carrying railroad ties on their shoulders, no shirts, and it's twenty degrees. Crazy mofos.

[That One Guy]

they are more organized then the middle east , no way HAAMAS would use terrorist tactics , if they could face the IDF toe to toe , Turkey wouldnt get involved , neither would Egypt ,Iran has to cross alot of country side , they couldnt mount the logistics to supply an army for what they need , that leaves Saudi Arabia who has their own problems

Now hang on there, little fella. The statement you made was that they could defend themselves not that there was no threat. Show me where you read that being surrounded by all those Arabic countries is no threat to Israel.

And is it completely out of the question that Iran and company stage a presence in Lebanon and fight from there?

And I have a hunch that you don't know much about how Lebanon would fight...

Show me what ya got. Show me who (someone more reputable than Spider's opinion) thinks Israel can not only fend off the agression of any of its Arabic neighbors but can also increase production for sustained conflict without any US aid.

[Spider]

Now hang on there, little fella. The statement you made was that they could defend themselves not that there was no threat. Show me where you read that being surrounded by all those Arabic countries is no threat to Israel.

And is it completely out of the question that Iran and company stage a presence in Lebanon and fight from there?

And I have a hunch that you don't know much about how Lebanon would fight...

Show me what ya got. Show me who (someone more reputable than Spider's opinion) thinks Israel can not only fend off the agression of any of its Arabic neighbors but can also increase production for sustained conflict without any US aid. a threat they can defend squirt ..........yo ushow me where they cant ? why in the **** do you think Arabs use terrorist attacks ?
use your damn head for something besides a hat rack

[Rigs11]

a threat they can defend squirt ..........yo ushow me where they cant ? why in the **** do you think Arabs use terrorist attacks ?
use your damn head for something besides a hat rack

careful spidey. the israel police will come in here and call you a nazi.

[Rigs11]

First thing I would do if it were my call is pull all our men/women out of S Korea. They honestly serve little purpose as N Korea will simply rocket/mortar S Korea out of existance. That being the case we are simply putting our people there as a deterrence to lil madman not to kill Americans. Not an acceptable use of American forces IMHO

Second there is no really good option to N Korea. The only one that may work IMO is to off lil madman Kim but I doubt Barry Obama would have the balls to make such a move.

Iran we should simply green light Israel and let them take care of our light work.

Where am I wrong???

Seriously? this cowboy mentality obviously does not work. Did you forget the last 8 years already? you mess with n korea you mess with china. you mess with iran you mess with the soviet union.It's not as simple as blowing people up.n korea and iran know this , why don't you?they are bluffing.Alienation will hurt them more than bombs ever could.

[ghwk]

Dortoh is aware of world affairs?

[Hotrod]

Dortoh is aware of world affairs?


I have a thesaurus funny guy. Whadda think I'm dyslexic or something???

[Hotrod]

Seriously? this cowboy mentality obviously does not work. Did you forget the last 8 years already? you mess with n korea you mess with china. you mess with iran you mess with the soviet union.It's not as simple as blowing people up.n korea and iran know this , why don't you?they are bluffing.Alienation will hurt them more than bombs ever could.

China gives a rats ass about N Korea. As a matter of fact they are laughing their asses off at us and probably behind alot of this crap.

[Rigs11]

China gives a rats ass about N Korea. As a matter of fact they are laughing their asses off at us and probably behind alot of this crap.

think before you post. China has been one of NK's only allies.They are their biggest trade partner. they have opposed sanctions against them.

[ghwk]

I have a thesaurus funny guy. Whadda think I'm dyslexic or something???

I was gonna suggest a mirror :~ohyah!:

[That One Guy]

a threat they can defend squirt ..........yo ushow me where they cant ? why in the **** do you think Arabs use terrorist attacks ?
use your damn head for something besides a hat rack

I already have said where their weaknesses could be. You said, absolutely, that Israel could defend itself. Substantiate your post... for once.

[Spider]

I already have said where their weaknesses could be. You said, absolutely, that Israel could defend itself. Substantiate your post... for once.

you twit , if they could , they already would have taken Israel out , we are tied up in Iraq and South Korea , Afghanistan ........... all you are doing is building up another saddam , and let me tell you some thing else you son of a b**** , dont try and be civil until you apologize,for what you said about my wife specially after the way you carried on when LABF said your wife was a war criminal ........... I cant stand someone that protest when something happens to them , then they turn around and do the same thing .......... you gutless wonder

[mhgaffney]

How would Israel defend itself?

Anyone who would ask this has been asleep for the last 40 years.

Israel is the ONLY nation in the region with nuclear weapons. Israel has somewhere between 100-400 nukes. Also chemical and biological weapons.

This is in addition to conventional missiles, bombers, fighters, attack helicopters etc. Israel has the largest military in the region.

We know about Israel's nukes thanks to evidence provided by the Israeli nuclear whistleblower Mordechai Vanunu -- who worked as a technician in Israel's top secret plutonium separation plant buried 80 feet below the Negev desert. In 1986 Vanunu gave photos and other evidence to the London Sunday Times proving everything.

He stated his motive was to warn the world about the grave danger.

Days before the front page expose appeared in the London paper Vanunu was kidnapped by the Mossad and taken back to Israel in chains. He was convicted behind closed doors in a kangaroo in Israel served 18 years in an Israeli prison -- 11 years in solitary confinement.

BTW after his release in 2004 he attempted to emigrate out of Israel -- but was refused permission. Today he is back in prison for the crime of talking to the world press about the issue of nuclear weapons. (There is no Bill of Rights in Israel. The nation exists in lock down mode.)

Israel's nukes are a threat to the region and the world -- but even more so to Israel itself -- as Vanunu warned.

One day he will be compared with the prophet Jeremiah, who long ago tried to warn the Israeli nation about the danger of NOT accommodating its neighbors -- and was beaten, hated, and imprisoned for doing so -- much like Vanunu.

[TailgateNut]

Those South Korean Marines are pretty whacked too. We used to see them come running down the road at dawn carrying railroad ties on their shoulders, no shirts, and it's twenty degrees. Crazy mofos.


...and doing kimchi squats on top of the toilets.ROFL! WTF!

[That One Guy]

you twit , if they could , they already would have taken Israel out , we are tied up in Iraq and South Korea , Afghanistan ........... all you are doing is building up another saddam , and let me tell you some thing else you son of a b**** , dont try and be civil until you apologize,for what you said about my wife specially after the way you carried on when LABF said your wife was a war criminal ........... I cant stand someone that protest when something happens to them , then they turn around and do the same thing .......... you gutless wonder

ROFL! Spider doesn't like the low class attacks. Nice. As I said I was doing, I haven't opened that thread since I posted that so if you got your panties in a wad, I didn't see it.

I faintly remember this conversation with LABF and if I recall correctly, it was a matter of his suggesting soldiers had an option other than doing what they were told because some schmuck deemed the war illegal. He doesn't know my wife any more than I know yours.

And don't try to take the high road on anything. You're obnoxious, uninformed, uneducated, and always willing to attack someone personally when your ignorance inhibits your discussion. I still haven't seen you substantiate your post. You made a claim, provide some proof. Until then, just keep being an idiot loser...

[That One Guy]

How would Israel defend itself?

Anyone who would ask this has been asleep for the last 40 years.

Israel is the ONLY nation in the region with nuclear weapons. Israel has somewhere between 100-400 nukes. Also chemical and biological weapons.

This is in addition to conventional missiles, bombers, fighters, attack helicopters etc. Israel has the largest military in the region.

We know about Israel's nukes thanks to evidence provided by the Israeli nuclear whistleblower Mordechai Vanunu -- who worked as a technician in Israel's top secret plutonium separation plant buried 80 feet below the Negev desert. In 1986 Vanunu gave photos and other evidence to the London Sunday Times proving everything.

He stated his motive was to warn the world about the grave danger.

Days before the front page expose appeared in the London paper Vanunu was kidnapped by the Mossad and taken back to Israel in chains. He was convicted behind closed doors in a kangaroo in Israel served 18 years in an Israeli prison -- 11 years in solitary confinement.

BTW after his release in 2004 he attempted to emigrate out of Israel -- but was refused permission. Today he is back in prison for the crime of talking to the world press about the issue of nuclear weapons. (There is no Bill of Rights in Israel. The nation exists in lock down mode.)

Israel's nukes are a threat to the region and the world -- but even more so to Israel itself -- as Vanunu warned.

One day he will be compared with the prophet Jeremiah, who long ago tried to warn the Israeli nation about the danger of NOT accommodating its neighbors -- and was beaten, hated, and imprisoned for doing so -- much like Vanunu.

Even if you accept that Israel has nukes, the use of them is definitely worse than the US protecting Israel through reputation. My initial statement was that Israel destroying Iran would be more problems than we'd like but the use of nukes on anyone would be a similar situation. You are right though, they could definitely defend themselves with them.

As for the rest, Israel has a very small military with most of their forces being their "reserves" and if all of those "reserves" are called up, who's staying behind to run the country or maintain the families? I don't know for sure all the details but every capable man and woman in Israel has to serve in the military and after their two years or whatever, they go into a reserve status. That means they could potentially be drawing up most of their population in those reserves when they'd need that production in their home country.

Again, they have the technology and skill to beat many armies but they are just too small to sustain it. Without nukes of course.

[Rohirrim]

...and doing kimchi squats on top of the toilets.ROFL! WTF!

I used to throw the Katusas out of the club if they came in with kimchi breath. Man, that stuff is nasty.

[Hotrod]

think before you post. China has been one of NK's only allies.They are their biggest trade partner. they have opposed sanctions against them.

Again China sees/used NK as its pawn. sure they like trading their **** to them but at the end of the day they get more bang for their buck letting lil kim run amuck.

[Spider]

ROFL! Spider doesn't like the low class attacks. Nice. As I said I was doing, I haven't opened that thread since I posted that so if you got your panties in a wad, I didn't see it.

I faintly remember this conversation with LABF and if I recall correctly, it was a matter of his suggesting soldiers had an option other than doing what they were told because some schmuck deemed the war illegal. He doesn't know my wife any more than I know yours.

And don't try to take the high road on anything. You're obnoxious, uninformed, uneducated, and always willing to attack someone personally when your ignorance inhibits your discussion. I still haven't seen you substantiate your post. You made a claim, provide some proof. Until then, just keep being an idiot loser...
I might be obnoxious you **** stick , but I never attacked your wife ....... you are scum ......... Plain and simple

[Garcia Bronco]

How would Israel defend itself?

Anyone who would ask this has been asleep for the last 40 years.

Israel is the ONLY nation in the region with nuclear weapons. Israel has somewhere between 100-400 nukes. Also chemical and biological weapons.

This is in addition to conventional missiles, bombers, fighters, attack helicopters etc. Israel has the largest military in the region.

We know about Israel's nukes thanks to evidence provided by the Israeli nuclear whistleblower Mordechai Vanunu -- who worked as a technician in Israel's top secret plutonium separation plant buried 80 feet below the Negev desert. In 1986 Vanunu gave photos and other evidence to the London Sunday Times proving everything.

He stated his motive was to warn the world about the grave danger.

Days before the front page expose appeared in the London paper Vanunu was kidnapped by the Mossad and taken back to Israel in chains. He was convicted behind closed doors in a kangaroo in Israel served 18 years in an Israeli prison -- 11 years in solitary confinement.

BTW after his release in 2004 he attempted to emigrate out of Israel -- but was refused permission. Today he is back in prison for the crime of talking to the world press about the issue of nuclear weapons. (There is no Bill of Rights in Israel. The nation exists in lock down mode.)

Israel's nukes are a threat to the region and the world -- but even more so to Israel itself -- as Vanunu warned.

One day he will be compared with the prophet Jeremiah, who long ago tried to warn the Israeli nation about the danger of NOT accommodating its neighbors -- and was beaten, hated, and imprisoned for doing so -- much like Vanunu.


100 to 400? Whay just just say eleventy billion? Those nukes are an insurance policy against Radical Islamic Masses.

[Spider]

100 to 400? Whay just just say eleventy billion? Those nukes are an insurance policy against Radical Islamic Masses.

of course they are .... you know those arabs Israel cant defend themselfs from without out help :welcome: .....

[That One Guy]

of course they are .... you know those arabs Israel cant defend themselfs from without out help :welcome: .....

Hey jackass, you still haven't substantiated your post. Show me something concrete that discusses Israel's ability to defend themselves.

And, again, if you want to quit being a complete and useless dickhead then I'll happily appologize for any comment you've taken to heart. Otherwise, you choose to speak your mind and I'll choose to speak mine. The ball's in your court on that one. Defend your post though, I'm still waiting.

[Spider]

Hey jackass, you still haven't substantiated your post. Show me something concrete that discusses Israel's ability to defend themselves.

And, again, if you want to quit being a complete and useless dickhead then I'll happily appologize for any comment you've taken to heart. Otherwise, you choose to speak your mind and I'll choose to speak mine. The ball's in your court on that one. Defend your post though, I'm still waiting.

LOL I dont want you to apologize , your Scum , just as soon not talk to you at all now ...you had plenty of opportunity instead you made excuses ..........tells me all I need to know about you .... douche bag

[Spider]

And only a complete inbred moron thinks Israel can not defend itsself against the entire Arab nation ...... it would be no contest

[Rigs11]

The rightard mentality strikes again. Israel needs our help,lets give them some weapons.then lets scream socialism when we spend money here in the US.Supporting Israel at every turn creates hate towards the US.then lets label the terrorist's hate as "they hate us for our freedoms"


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/US_aid_to_Israel.gif

[That One Guy]

And only a complete inbred moron thinks Israel can not defend itsself against the entire Arab nation ...... it would be no contest

The entire Arab nation? Which one is that.

And if the concept is so stupid, it should be easily confirmed and shot down. Right?

Quit being a coward. Back it up or shut up.

[Spider]

The entire Arab nation? Which one is that.

And if the concept is so stupid, it should be easily confirmed and shot down. Right?

Quit being a coward. Back it up or shut up.

it has been backed up so many times ..........not my fault you are an Idiot ....

[That One Guy]

The rightard mentality strikes again. Israel needs our help,lets give them some weapons.then lets scream socialism when we spend money here in the US.Supporting Israel at every turn creates hate towards the US.then lets label the terrorist's hate as "they hate us for our freedoms"


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/US_aid_to_Israel.gif

Maybe I'm missing the connection between socialism at home and giving military aid to Israel. Can you elaborate?

And are you implying that we should turn our back on Israel and the world wouldn't hate us? Are we willing to get into bed with Iran and claim Israel is illegitimate to achieve those means? That's what it'd take... the hardline Arabs don't want even occasional support to Israel. They want Israel gone and the land returned to the Palestinians. Are we willing to go that far to appease them?

[Spider]

The rightard mentality strikes again. Israel needs our help,lets give them some weapons.then lets scream socialism when we spend money here in the US.Supporting Israel at every turn creates hate towards the US.then lets label the terrorist's hate as "they hate us for our freedoms"


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/US_aid_to_Israel.gif

yeah , and Israel in 81 took out a few Nuke sites in Iran , Just a year before Israel took out 1 in Iraq ,Arabs have been trying to take out Israel since 1948 .........Now all of the sudden morons like Cah believe there is a threat ......

[That One Guy]

it has been backed up so many times ..........not my fault you are an Idiot ....

Sweet! So it should be easy to find. I haven't seen it. Show me what you saw?

[Spider]

Sweet! So it should be easy to find. I haven't seen it. Show me what you saw?

Crack a history book goof ........ since 1948 this has been going on .......good grief ......Maybe you was home schooled by your 1 st cousin

[Spider]

Damn Cah , you never heard of the Arab -jew wars ? you retarded ?

[That One Guy]

yeah , and Israel in 81 took out a few Nuke sites in Iran , Just a year before Israel took out 1 in Iraq ,Arabs have been trying to take out Israel since 1948 .........Now all of the sudden morons like Cah believe there is a threat ......

When was the last invasion of Israel? They've been fighting Palestinians for years but when has a foreign nation tried to invade them?

And you stated without a doubt that Israel could defend themselves and you've bounced back and forth between saying they could defend themselves to saying there's actually not a threat. Pick a stance and then provide something to back it up. Or just stop talking... that is welcomed as well.

[That One Guy]

Crack a history book goof ........ since 1948 this has been going on .......good grief ......Maybe you was home schooled by your 1 st cousin

You've deflected somewhere between 10 and 20 times already on this one subject. I'm just gonna let you concede that you're flapping at the gums again and don't have a position to defend, as always. Enough people have seen you dip, dodge, and deflect in this thread to all know what you're about. I guess we all knew before though, too.

[Spider]

When was the last invasion of Israel? They've been fighting Palestinians for years but when has a foreign nation tried to invade them?

And you stated without a doubt that Israel could defend themselves and you've bounced back and forth between saying they could defend themselves to saying there's actually not a threat. Pick a stance and then provide something to back it up. Or just stop talking... that is welcomed as well.

Oh bull**** , not only are you scum but you are a ****ing liar , Israel has been invaded by terrorist attacks . why Cause the Arabs know their armies would get the **** kicked out of them .......you are about the only person here that thinks we need to protect Israel

[Spider]

You've deflected somewhere between 10 and 20 times already on this one subject. I'm just gonna let you concede that you're flapping at the gums again and don't have a position to defend, as always. Enough people have seen you dip, dodge, and deflect in this thread to all know what you're about. I guess we all knew before though, too.

Desperation post ......... you got nothing .........

[That One Guy]

Oh bull**** , not only are you scum but you are a ****ing liar , Israel has been invaded by terrorist attacks . why Cause the Arabs know their armies would get the **** kicked out of them .......you are about the only person here that thinks we need to protect Israel

Haha... Invaded by terrorist attacks. That makes as much sense as a trucker trying to talk politics. Just a suggestion - give up political discussions and take up yodeling, you half wit.

[Spider]

Haha... Invaded by terrorist attacks. That makes as much sense as a trucker trying to talk politics. Just a suggestion - give up political discussions and take up yodeling, you half wit.

Like I said you got nothing , we could pull support tomorrow and israel would be just fine ........

[SleepingTiger]

Like I said you got nothing , we could pull support tomorrow and israel would be just fine ........

i think if we did pull support from Israel, they would be in serious trouble.

1. just because you got nukes, doesn't mean you can use it and its over. No matter how desperate the situation is, the UN or any ally would never approve the use nukes. the collateral damage would be astronomical.

2. all the military weapons Israel have is supported by the US. Without the US support, military equipment like f-15, abrams tank, missle batteries would be useless without supplies and technical support. Yes Israel does have some equipment and technical knowledge, but how long can they sustain the fight? I say no more than a year before they exhausted all their resources.

3. The US is Israel big brother, daddy, mother and everything else. Imagine if China didn't back the NK, Korea would be unified by now. If the US didn't back SK, the north would of steam rolled them a long time ago.

[That One Guy]

i think if we did pull support from Israel, they would be in serious trouble.

1. just because you got nukes, doesn't mean you can use it and its over. No matter how desperate the situation is, the UN or any ally would never approve the use nukes. the collateral damage would be astronomical.

2. all the military weapons Israel have is supported by the US. Without the US support, military equipment like f-15, abrams tank, missle batteries would be useless without supplies and technical support. Yes Israel does have some equipment and technical knowledge, but how long can they sustain the fight? I say no more than a year before they exhausted all their resources.

3. The US is Israel big brother, daddy, mother and everything else. Imagine if China didn't back the NK, Korea would be unified by now. If the US didn't back SK, the north would of steam rolled them a long time ago.

Haha... don't expect much from him in response. He's as ill-informed as he is civilized.

Good comment though. I forgot about all the US repair contracts out there that corporations like Boeing or Lockheed-Martin maintain on the equipment out of the US. I believe the sales contract to foreign nations might even include language that says they can't do certain repairs on their own so Israel may not even be capable of fixing these things if they wanted to.

[Spider]

i think if we did pull support from Israel, they would be in serious trouble.

1. just because you got nukes, doesn't mean you can use it and its over. No matter how desperate the situation is, the UN or any ally would never approve the use nukes. the collateral damage would be astronomical.

2. all the military weapons Israel have is supported by the US. Without the US support, military equipment like f-15, abrams tank, missle batteries would be useless without supplies and technical support. Yes Israel does have some equipment and technical knowledge, but how long can they sustain the fight? I say no more than a year before they exhausted all their resources.

3. The US is Israel big brother, daddy, mother and everything else. Imagine if China didn't back the NK, Korea would be unified by now. If the US didn't back SK, the north would of steam rolled them a long time ago.

No , the defense contracts would still be in tact ,cant tell companies who to do business with ........I am talking about $$$ our tax paying dollars flipping the bill , those Nukes go along ways , Israel has the biggest , most advanced Military in the region

[Spider]

Haha... don't expect much from him in response. He's as ill-informed as he is civilized.

Good comment though. I forgot about all the US repair contracts out there that corporations like Boeing or Lockheed-Martin maintain on the equipment out of the US. I believe the sales contract to foreign nations might even include language that says they can't do certain repairs on their own so Israel may not even be capable of fixing these things if they wanted to.

LOL you are such a suck up

[Spider]

Haha... don't expect much from him in response. He's as ill-informed as he is civilized.



Civilized? from you ? a guy that called my wife a sow in heat ............ :rofl: you total ****ing scumbag

[SleepingTiger]

No , the defense contracts would still be in tact ,cant tell companies who to do business with ........I am talking about $$$ our tax paying dollars flipping the bill , those Nukes go along ways , Israel has the biggest , most advanced Military in the region

I don't know what the actual legalities between the US governemt and defensive contractors, but I am positive that companies like Lockheed Martin, Boeing, McDonnel Douglas, Northrop can't just go around selling military equipment to anyone they want. That includes maintnenance contracts, support equipment and especially high sensitive equipment like radar systems. If what you said is the case, what would stop companies like Lockheed to sell the stealth technology to the Russians?

I was in the air force, I worked on f-16, b-52 and a-10. Trust me on this, these aircraft require a constant supply of man hours and parts to keep them flying. There is no way Israel can keep their military running at 100% longer than 3 months after the US pull complete support.

before the Faulklands war, France was supporting the Argentina airforce with mirage fighters and exocet missles. when Argentina attacked the Fauklands (sp) the French pulled military support for Argentina airforce. The Argentina soon enough ran out of parts and didn't have enough technical knowledge to keep them flying and eventually lost the war. Im not saying that they lost the war because the France pulling out, but it was one of the reasons.

[Spider]

I don't know what the actual legalities between the US governemt and defensive contractors, but I am positive that companies like Lockheed Martin, Boeing, McDonnel Douglas, Northrop can't just go around selling military equipment to anyone they want. That includes maintnenance contracts, support equipment and especially high sensitive equipment like radar systems. If what you said is the case, what would stop companies like Lockheed to sell the stealth technology to the Russians? Dual use , but with our allies ,Companies can sell out dated tech and service , for example the F22 Raptor is a 5 th Gen fighter plane , it cant be sold , but a F-15 could be as well as service

I was in the air force, I worked on f-16, b-52 and a-10. Trust me on this, these aircraft require a constant supply of man hours and parts to keep them flying. There is no way Israel can keep their military running at 100% longer than 3 months after the US pull complete support. everything needs upkeep and maintenance , Hell I work on my truck damn near every day ......... But that doesnt mean Israel cant afford it

before the Faulklands war, France was supporting the Argentina airforce with mirage fighters and exocet missles. when Argentina attacked the Fauklands (sp) the French pulled military support for Argentina airforce. The Argentina soon enough ran out of parts and didn't have enough technical knowledge to keep them flying and eventually lost the war. Im not saying that they lost the war because the France pulling out, but it was one of the reasons.War is costly , no matter who is involved , but that still doesnt justify the American tax payer paying for Israels army .......Specially when Israel can pay their own bills .........

[Spider]

Maybe f we quit supporting these countries , they will understand the cost of war , and find different solutions to solve their differences .......... Anyone that thinks Israel doesnt provoke some of the trouble they get is insane

[Spider]

but the bigger question Numb nuts and tiger havent brought up is , who would fiscally support this great Arab threat ?
China ?
do the Chinese hate Jews ?
so easy to look at this issue from one side .........what country would be able to support an Arab Army ?

[That One Guy]

but the bigger question Numb nuts and tiger havent brought up is , who would fiscally support this great Arab threat ?
China ?
do the Chinese hate Jews ?
so easy to look at this issue from one side .........what country would be able to support an Arab Army ?

Very good point Spider. Who would support Arab countries. I mean, they're multiple times larger than Israel, develop and sustain their own technologies, and have this useless liquid called "oil" in their ground. Whatever will they do?

You're drowning in stupidity but too dumb to know it. I guess I'm done with this thread too. You sure do have a way of ruining good things.

[SleepingTiger]

Dual use , but with our allies ,Companies can sell out dated tech and service , for example the F22 Raptor is a 5 th Gen fighter plane , it cant be sold , but a F-15 could be as well as service


.........

so what you're saying is if McDonnel Douglas wanted to, they can sell F-15 to the russians if they wanted to because its a 4th generation fighter? C'mon Spider, the US goverment have a controlling interest in all the defensive contractors. Any type of weapon sales outside the US would have to be approved by the DoD. Like the example I already gave you, Dassault was providing mirage 3 fighter aircraft and exocet missles. Argentina attacked the Faulklands and I am sure not in the best interest of Dassault, they were forced to pull all support for Argentina.

everything needs upkeep and maintenance , Hell I work on my truck damn near every day ......... But that doesnt mean Israel cant afford it

War is costly , no matter who is involved , but that still doesnt justify the American tax payer paying for Israels army .......Specially when Israel can pay their own bills

wait a minute. you're telling me that Israel can't survive without US support financially. Now you're telling me that Israel can afford to buy all the equipment need to win a war. So the US is giving Israel money to buy our own equipment?


Here is the main issue, a point that was made that can Israel survive without US support. My point is if the US was to pull all support from Israel, their chance of survival is minimal at best.

[Spider]

Very good point Spider. Who would support Arab countries. I mean, they're multiple times larger than Israel, develop and sustain their own technologies, and have this useless liquid called "oil" in their ground. Whatever will they do?

You're drowning in stupidity but too dumb to know it. I guess I'm done with this thread too. You sure do have a way of ruining good things.

you idiot ...........
rael's budget in 2009 will total 315.8 billion shekels ($92.6 billion) with the increase in government expenditure capped at 1.7 percent, the Finance Ministry said on Sunday.
Iran is hurting so bad , they will raise taxes and make gas 4.00 a gallon
Iraq ...... well all know you guys like to bull**** about Iraq and ther weapons
Saudi Arabia ......King Abdullah presented the Kingdom's 2009 budget yesterday. It will be the largest budget in Saudi Arabia's history with $126.7 billion in expenditures based on revenues of $109.3 billion and a deficit of $17.3 billion. The 2009 budget, according to a Saudi Gazette
the rest like Syria , Lebanon , dont even register ..........
you are such an Idiot , you yell and scream we got to support Israel , when Israels enemies dont have the funds , nor the logistics , or an Army to mount or sustain an attack .........
good thing you are not in strategic planning ..........we would be ****ed

[Spider]

So I ask again , if israel who is in better fiscal shape , then even Saudi Arabia , what Country supports an Arab Army to go in and Invade Israel ??

[SleepingTiger]

So I ask again , if israel who is in better fiscal shape , then even Saudi Arabia , what Country supports an Arab Army to go in and Invade Israel ??

how is north koreas budget? last time i checked... it was pretty bad, yet they are still developing nukes and a threat to south Korea.

[Spider]

how is north koreas budget? last time i checked... it was pretty bad, yet they are still developing nukes and a threat to south Korea.

are you saying N Korea could support an Arab Army to Invade Israel ?
or are you implying that struggling Middle East countries can create a Nuke ?
and our tax Dollars going to Israel will stop this how ?

[That One Guy]

how is north koreas budget? last time i checked... it was pretty bad, yet they are still developing nukes and a threat to south Korea.

You're chasing your tail with him, I tell ya.

Halfwit can't comprehend that there's a difference between a peacetime budget and the production capabilities of a country at war. Israel doesn't have the size nor population to sustain a war. Iran or any of the more substantial nations could import raw materials and turn into a nationwide production plant for munitions, vehicles, etc. It's exactly similar to the example you use. N. Korea isn't exporting much so they're not doing well economically and spending much on a budget but when the entire country is at the disposal of a regime preparing for war, the country can produce plenty. Just consider the transition that the United States went through in either of the World Wars. Some countries would be capable of something comparable due to the size of their population, their production capabilities, and available land for expansion but Israel doesn't have much of any of those to dispose of.

Just for comparison, Israel has 7,233,701 people and 20,770 SQ KM of land. North Korea, on the other hand has 22,665,345 people and 120,540 SQ KM of land. NK has 3 times more people and ~6x more land. Iran, meanwhile, has 1.648 million SQ KM of land and 66,429,284 people which is something like 80x more land and over 9 times as many people. As I said way early in this, Iran could win a war through attrition alone but the tard doesn't want to understand that. Actually, he might want to, but he can't seem to figure out what his stance is anyways so it's hard to defend it. Oh, and that he's completely ignorant so he doesn't know what he's talking about anyways. Probably a combination...

[Spider]

You're chasing your tail with him, I tell ya.

Halfwit can't comprehend that there's a difference between a peacetime budget and the production capabilities of a country at war. Israel doesn't have the size nor population to sustain a war. Iran or any of the more substantial nations could import raw materials and turn into a nationwide production plant for munitions, vehicles, etc. It's exactly similar to the example you use. N. Korea isn't exporting much so they're not doing well economically and spending much on a budget but when the entire country is at the disposal of a regime preparing for war, the country can produce plenty. Just consider the transition that the United States went through in either of the World Wars. Some countries would be capable of something comparable due to the size of their population, their production capabilities, and available land for expansion but Israel doesn't have much of any of those to dispose of.

Just for comparison, Israel has 7,233,701 people and 20,770 SQ KM of land. North Korea, on the other hand has 22,665,345 people and 120,540 SQ KM of land. NK has 3 times more people and ~6x more land. Iran, meanwhile, has 1.648 million SQ KM of land and 66,429,284 people which is something like 80x more land and over 9 times as many people. As I said way early in this, Iran could win a war through attrition alone but the tard doesn't want to understand that. Actually, he might want to, but he can't seem to figure out what his stance is anyways so it's hard to defend it. Oh, and that he's completely ignorant so he doesn't know what he's talking about anyways. Probably a combination...

you sling as much Bull**** as a raider fan , I just showed Israel has more money then most of them combined , yet , you tell us Israel needs us cause they cant afford an attack so http://www.motleycrow.com/ImageHost/Stupid-InternetPoliceCENSOR.jpg

[Spider]

LOL so Now Israel cant produce a war time surplus ? :rofl:

[SleepingTiger]

are you saying N Korea could support an Arab Army to Invade Israel ?
or are you implying that struggling Middle East countries can create a Nuke ?
and our tax Dollars going to Israel will stop this how ?

look Spider, the original argument is can israel survive if the US pull all support. i made my point that without backing from the US, Israel doesn't stand a chance because they can't sustain the war. You changed the subject saying that arab army is impossible because they can't afford it. ok, i will play along.

i am not saying north korea can support an arab army nor will they ever. you made a point that iran, libya, saudi, egypt can't start a war because they just can't afford a war. you say their budget just will not allow them to finance a war with israel.

i gave you an example of north korea. under full UN sanctions, a crippling economy but yet is still able to keep develop nukes and keep US military backed south korea on its heels. north korea can't even afford to feed their own people, but can still keep the worlds 5th largest active duty army.

so if a bankrupted north korea can steam roll a south korea like so many say, why the hell can't oil rich nations in the middle east finance a war against israel. tell me how a nation in depression can afford to be fighting two wars at once in the pacific and in europe? So please, don't tell me that Iran can't afford to finance a war against a country that they would nuke 50 times over.

[Spider]

look Spider, the original argument is can israel survive if the US pull all support. i made my point that without backing from the US, Israel doesn't stand a chance because they can't sustain the war. You changed the subject saying that arab army is impossible because they can't afford it. ok, i will play along.

i am not saying north korea can support an arab army nor will they ever. you made a point that iran, libya, saudi, egypt can't start a war because they just can't afford a war. you say their budget just will not allow them to finance a war with israel.

i gave you an example of north korea. under full UN sanctions, a crippling economy but yet is still able to keep develop nukes and keep US military backed south korea on its heels. north korea can't even afford to feed their own people, but can still keep the worlds 5th largest active duty army.

so if a bankrupted north korea can steam roll a south korea like so many say, why the hell can't oil rich nations in the middle east finance a war against israel. tell me how a nation in depression can afford to be fighting two wars at once in the pacific and in europe? So please, don't tell me that Iran can't afford to finance a war against a country that they would nuke 50 times over.

thats just it you didnt make a point , I showed Israel has more money , has a bigger Army , more Advanced Army , and we could give Israel every cent we got ,and that still wont stop a Nuclear attack ........ So whats the point ?
And we are not as Broke as you say , and China is buying Bonds and T bills .....

[Spider]

So what country is willing to back a bankrupt army to go to war with Israel ? Simple question doesnt need 2 paragraph answer of long winded bull****

[Spider]

Just to show you we are not as broke as we are led to believe ......
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/USbudget/fy09/pdf/budget/outlook.pdf

[SleepingTiger]

thats just it you didnt make a point , I showed Israel has more money , has a bigger Army , more Advanced Army , and we could give Israel every cent we got ,and that still wont stop a Nuclear attack ........ So whats the point ?
And we are not as Broke as you say , and China is buying Bonds and T bills .....

bigger army?

israel 177,000 active duty
syria 296,000 active duty
iran 545,000 active duty
egypt 450,000 active duty
saudi 199,000 active duty

when i was talking about the depression and war on two fronts, i was refering to wwII

[SleepingTiger]

So what country is willing to back a bankrupt army to go to war with Israel ? Simple question doesnt need 2 paragraph answer of long winded bull****

long winded bull****??? my point is iran doesn't need anybody to back them up. why can't you understand that? if a country like north korea can sustain a army of over half a million with no money, why the hell can't a oil rich country like iran do it?

get this through your head, the original topic is whether israel can survive without US support. so you can take all that advance weapons and money from the US out of the equation. israel, with no military and financial support has no chance of survival against iran, egypt, libya, saudi, jordan combined.

debating this topic with you is pointless. you're not trying to understand what the other is saying and you keep going over the a point that i have already debunked.

[Spider]

bigger army?

israel 177,000 active duty
syria 296,000 active duty
iran 545,000 active duty
egypt 450,000 active duty
saudi 199,000 active duty

when i was talking about the depression and war on two fronts, i was refering to wwII
sure they do , well bigger = better armed , better training ..........

[Spider]

long winded bull****??? my point is iran doesn't need anybody to back them up. why can't you understand that? if a country like north korea can sustain a army of over half a million with no money, why the hell can't a oil rich country like iran do it?

get this through your head, the original topic is whether israel can survive without US support. so you can take all that advance weapons and money from the US out of the equation. israel, with no military and financial support has no chance of survival against iran, egypt, libya, saudi, jordan combined.

debating this topic with you is pointless. you're not trying to understand what the other is saying and you keep going over the a point that i have already debunked.

cause it is bull**** , Iran is in deep trouble , 90% of thier gas has to be refined outside of Iran ........ what you guys dont get is if the Arabs could wipe out Israel , they would have already done i ....... Just like Saddam had WMD etc ..... you guys make a case where there isnt one

[Fedaykin]

Last time a country attacked Israel, the war lasted six days.

[SleepingTiger]

cause it is bull**** , Iran is in deep trouble , 90% of thier gas has to be refined outside of Iran ........what you guys dont get is if the Arabs could wipe out Israel , they would have already done i....... Just like Saddam had WMD etc ..... you guys make a case where there isnt one

i don't give a **** if iran has to refine their gas outside iran or the moon. i don't give a **** about saddam. stay on topic beligerant ol bastard.
enough of this ****. do you stand behind your what you say below? yes or no?
can israel survive if the US pulled all military support and financial?

we could pull support tomorrow and israel would be just fine ........

[Spider]

i don't give a **** if iran has to refine their gas outside iran or the moon. i don't give a **** about saddam. stay on topic beligerant ol bastard.
enough of this ****. do you stand behind your what you say below? yes or no?
can israel survive if the US pulled all military support and financial?

you retard , it doesnt matter if you give a **** Iran is having Fiscal troubles and dont have the resources to mount or sustain an attack , use your ****ing head , how do you think Iran ships fuel to refuel equipment ? I know The fuel fairy right ?
As for Saddam he is a perfect example of how you people are so full of **** .........

[Spider]

So now quit ****ing tap dancing and answer the question ...........what country fiscally supports an Arab army invading Israel?

[SleepingTiger]

you retard , it doesnt matter if you give a **** Iran is having Fiscal troubles and dont have the resources to mount or sustain an attack , use your ****ing head , how do you think Iran ships fuel to refuel equipment ? I know The fuel fairy right ?
As for Saddam he is a perfect example of how you people are so full of **** .........

yeah, the fuel fairy between your ass.

Iran will get the money the same way north Korea and north Vietnamese do. Their is a peace time budget and a wartime budget.

who the **** is this "you people" are you talking about? the only person that is full of **** is you. do you even know where i stand when it comes to Iraq and saddam? last i recall, i have never mentioned iraq or saddam on this board. or are you just assuming **** and making false accusations?

[SleepingTiger]

So now quit ****ing tap dancing and answer the question ...........what country fiscally supports an Arab army invading Israel?

iran, libya, egypt, algeria, iraq, saudi, jordan.

[Spider]

yeah, the fuel fairy between your ass.

Iran will get the money the same way north Korea and north Vietnamese do. Their is a peace time budget and a wartime budget.

who the **** is this "you people" are you talking about? the only person that is full of **** is you. do you even know where i stand when it comes to Iraq and saddam? last i recall, i have never mentioned iraq or saddam on this board. or are you just assuming **** and making false accusations?

oh peace time and war time huh so if Israel has a bigger peace time budget , that means they wouldnt have a bigger war time budget??? what kind of bull**** is that ? ........ I dont give a rats ass where you stand on Iraq , but you are using the same tactics that got us into Iraq , creating a threat where there isnt one ....... Both you and Cah have made Israel out to be defenseless , I have shown Israel Budget and army is alot better off , and you 2 come up with war time and peace time Budget ?News flash kiddo , those that have the better fiscal Budget make the transition from peace time to war time .........But lets continue on with this silly argument ........If these countries have a hard time with peace time budget , what in the hell makes you think they could handle a war time budget better ? why cant Israel have a war time Budget ? is that a Jew law or something ? If Israel threatened to carpet bomb Iran right now , people would be running all over the place trying to stop them cause it would be a legitimate threat , if Iran threatened the same thing ....meh it would get attention but thats about it ......So now answer the question , what Country would play the role of a sugar daddy to an Arab Army invading Israel ?

[SleepingTiger]

oh peace time and war time huh so if Israel has a bigger peace time budget , that means they wouldnt have a bigger war time budget??? what kind of bull**** is that ? ........ I dont give a rats ass where you stand on Iraq , but you are using the same tactics that got us into Iraq , creating a threat where there isnt one ....... Both you and Cah have made Israel out to be defenseless , I have shown Israel Budget and army is alot better off , and you 2 come up with war time and peace time Budget ?News flash kiddo , those that have the better fiscal Budget make the transition from peace time to war time .........But lets continue on with this silly argument ........If these countries have a hard time with peace time budget , what in the hell makes you think they could handle a war time budget better ? why cant Israel have a war time Budget ? is that a Jew law or something ? If Israel threatened to carpet bomb Iran right now , people would be running all over the place trying to stop them cause it would be a legitimate threat , if Iran threatened the same thing ....meh it would get attention but thats about it ......So now answer the question , what Country would play the role of a sugar daddy to an Arab Army invading Israel ?

if the US decided to pull all support including the selling of military goods, what good will a wartime budget do? israel can have all the money in the world, but without support from us, they are ****ed. that is why the arabs are so mad at us. we not only provide money but weapons and those weapons are the ones that are beating the **** out of them.

I dont give a rats ass where you stand on Iraq , but you are using the same tactics that got us into Iraq , creating a threat where there isnt one ....... Both you and Cah have made Israel out to be defenseless

the **** are you talking about? ok, i see where we you are confused. you made a point that Israel can defend itself. I agreed with you that they can defend themself, but for how long? from a military perspective i told that Israel can only sustain the fight for a year before they have exhausted all resources. without the US resupplying israel, they are ****ed because they doesn't manufacture ****.

[Spider]

if the US decided to pull all support including the selling of military goods, what good will a wartime budget do? israel can have all the money in the world, but without support from us, they are ****ed. that is why the arabs are so mad at us. we not only provide money but weapons and those weapons are the ones that are beating the **** out of them.
Selling War equipment is a far cry from supporting them .......Now really pay attention to this http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3221853,00.html
you guys are talking out of your ass on this , or you really dont understand what Israel has


the **** are you talking about? ok, i see where we you are confused. you made a point that Israel can defend itself. I agreed with you that they can defend themself, but for how long? from a military perspective i told that Israel can only sustain the fight for a year before they have exhausted all resources. without the US resupplying israel, they are ****ed because they doesn't manufacture ****.
Seriously shut the hell up http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3221853,00.html

[Spider]

Let me ask you Geniuses something ....Does England support Israel ?
here ........http://lmgtfy.com/?q=England+sells+arms+to+Israel+

[Spider]

Oh and in case you are wondering Dolphin Class sub is German...........

[Spider]

:rofl: peace time and war time budgets .... Hilarious!

[Spider]

So now what ?

[SleepingTiger]

Selling War equipment is a far cry from supporting them .......Now really pay attention to this http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3221853,00.html
you guys are talking out of your ass on this , or you really dont understand what Israel has



Seriously shut the hell up http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3221853,00.html

ok, so they got 3 submarines. :thumbs:

here is an article stating how important the United States is to the survival of Israel.

http://www.country-data.com/cgi-bin/query/r-6860.html

and another one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel-United_States_military_relations

Israel has received more U.S. military assistance than any other country, both in terms of grant aid and military sales on a concessional basis. Since 1987, the U.S. has provided an average of $1.8 billion annually in the form of Foreign Military Sales (FMS), Foreign Military Financing (FMF) and funds to support research and development.[2]

A bilateral memorandum of understanding was signed in January 2001, at the end of the Clinton administration, under which defense aid was increased to $2.4 billion annually from $1.8 billion, while the $1.2 billion of economic aid would be eliminated. This was predicated on the basis of the defense aid being increased by $60 million per year until the full amount was reached in 2008, while the economic aid is decreased by $120 million per year until eliminated.[3][17]

In 2007, the United States increased its military aid to Israel by over 25%, to an average of $3 billion per year for the following ten year period (starting at $2.550 billion for 2008, growing by $150 million each year).[18] The package is scheduled to start October 2008, when regular economic aid to Israel's economy is to end.[19] Officials have insisted the aid is not tied, or meant to balance, simultaneous American plans to sell $20 billion worth of sophisticated arms to its Arab allies in the region, including Egypt and Saudi Arabia[19]. U.S. President George W. Bush assured Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that the U.S. would help keep a "qualitative advantage" to Israel over other nations in the region


your right, Israel doesn't need the US. Uhh Hilarious!

ohh ****.... looks like the US is selling to egypt and saudi. i guess you got your answer as to who is supporting the arabs. Hilarious!

[SleepingTiger]

Oh and in case you are wondering Dolphin Class sub is German...........

The first two (Dolphin and Leviathan) were donated by Germany, only the third (Tekumah) was purchased by Israel, although Germany still paid for half of the costs. During the first Gulf War, German firms were accused of helping Iraq with its chemical weapons program, which led to protests in both Germany and Israel. To calm Israeli concerns, compensate Israel for economic losses and keep German shipyards occupied[citation needed], then Chancellor of Germany Helmut Kohl decided to donate the two submarines.[2] The Dolphins have replaced the aging Gal class submarines, which had served in the Israeli navy since the late-1970's.

wow, 3 subs. what will the arabs will ever do against 3 subs.

[SleepingTiger]

So now what ?

the ball is in your court. you gotta hurry because i have to go to a picnic in 15 minutes

[Spider]

you dont know for sure how many subs they got , but the point is , other countries are pitching in so there goes your idiotic little theory ........

[Spider]

The first two (Dolphin and Leviathan) were donated by Germany, only the third (Tekumah) was purchased by Israel, although Germany still paid for half of the costs. During the first Gulf War, German firms were accused of helping Iraq with its chemical weapons program, which led to protests in both Germany and Israel. To calm Israeli concerns, compensate Israel for economic losses and keep German shipyards occupied[citation needed], then Chancellor of Germany Helmut Kohl decided to donate the two submarines.[2] The Dolphins have replaced the aging Gal class submarines, which had served in the Israeli navy since the late-1970's.

wow, 3 subs. what will the arabs will ever do against 3 subs.

LOL you twit at least 3 that we know of Nuke armed Subs .... yeah no threat there .......

[SleepingTiger]

you dont know for sure how many subs they got , but the point is , other countries are pitching in so there goes your idiotic little theory ........

ofcourse i do, they got 3 subs. until you provide me with anything that says otherwise, i will stick with 3.

please find me a source saying what israel gets military goods from other countries that is anwhere compared to the US.

so who will provide israel the equipment to keep their current military up and running? thats right, germany will provide them parts for all their m-1 tanks, f-16, f-15. Hilarious!

[Spider]

ofcourse i do, they got 3 subs. until you provide me with anything that says otherwise, i will stick with 3.

please find me a source saying what israel gets military goods from other countries that is anwhere compared to the US.

so who will provide israel the equipment to keep their current military up and running? thats right, germany will provide them parts for all their m-1 tanks, f-16, f-15. Hilarious!

LOL as if I care if you stick with 3 , point is they are german , England supplies weapons .... LOL not only are you clueless but you cant read either , I said Defense contractors can sell to Israel ........ :rofl: admit it you went talking out of your ass on this ........

[That One Guy]

Come on SleepingTiger. Let it go. We all see Spider's retardom coming out here. It sometimes appears to be one person having an argument against a guy with tourette's with the way he just throws stuff out.

It was the Germans, Nazis, hankie!... Peanut butter and jelly sandwiches!

[Spider]

LOL translation ....... We lost ....... Israel cant defend itself :rofl:

[SleepingTiger]

LOL as if I care if you stick with 3:rofl: ........

if you didn't care, why bring up?

, point is they are german , England supplies weapons .... LOL not only are you clueless but you cant read either , I said Defense contractors can sell to Israel ........

defensive contractors can't sell sh*t to anyone without the go ahead from the DoD.

here is a link

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/washington/14arms.html

From tanks, helicopters and fighter jets to missiles, remotely piloted aircraft and even warships, the Department of Defense has agreed so far this fiscal year to sell or transfer more than $32 billion in weapons and other military equipment to foreign governments, compared with $12 billion in 2005.

In that booming market, American military contractors are working closely with the Pentagon, which acts as a broker and procures arms for foreign customers through its Foreign Military Sales program.

Less sophisticated weapons, and services to maintain these weapons systems, are often bought directly by foreign governments. That category of direct commercial sales has seen an enormous surge as well, as measured by export licenses issued this fiscal year covering an estimated $96 billion, up from $58 billion in 2005, according to the State Department, which must approve the licenses.

Congress is notified before major arms sales deals are completed between foreign governments and the Pentagon. While lawmakers have the power to object formally and block any individual sale, they rarely use it.

there goes your "I said Defense contractors can sell to Israel" out the door. If the DoD says no and congress says no, defense contractors can't sell nothing to Israel. which then goes back to what i was saying, if the US decides to pull all support from Israel (this includes arms sales), they are screwed.

here is a list of the Israeli military

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_equipment_of_Israel

notice that the Israeli air force is all provided by the USA. notice how Germany provides Israeli with the submarines only(3 of them). Funny you mentioned England, i don't see it. can you please provide me a link. i do however take back the m-1 tanks though. I swear i thought i saw this on the military channel. btw, cool channel if you ever get a chance to watch it.


admit it you went talking out of your ass on this

show me where i was talking out of my ass? i provided you with links to support my argument. please, don't show me a link of austria providing Israel with hand guns. let me guess, you are going to keep on calling me a retard and tell me how idiotic my thinking is.

[SleepingTiger]

LOL you twit at least 3 that we know of Nuke armed Subs .... yeah no threat there .......

honest question. do you think Israel would have the balls to use nukes? complete annihilation of the middle east if they do.

[Spider]

honest question. do you think Israel would have the balls to use nukes? complete annihilation of the middle east if they do.

when it comes down to them or the Arabs ...........Yeah