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TheReverend
05-23-2009, 02:03 PM
Yikes. If squeemish do not click. Very misogynist.

http://womensmedia.com/

OABB
05-23-2009, 02:14 PM
you are on fire my man....this has made my day....

footstepsfrom#27
05-23-2009, 02:32 PM
Why'd you do it?

TheReverend
05-23-2009, 02:33 PM
Why'd you do it?

Unfortunately I know nothing about computers, otherwise I'd like to think I could've made it a LITTLE funnier

footstepsfrom#27
05-23-2009, 02:35 PM
Unfortunately I know nothing about computers, otherwise I'd like to think I could've made it a LITTLE funnier
OK stick to that story.

Flex Gunmetal
05-23-2009, 02:55 PM
you are on fire my man....this has made my day....

+1

Kaylore
05-23-2009, 03:08 PM
That was so gross.

Ratboy
05-23-2009, 03:40 PM
They took it down.

What was it?

DHallblows
05-23-2009, 04:04 PM
They took it down.

What was it?

Wow, that was fast

Bob's your Information Minister
05-23-2009, 04:14 PM
They took it down.

What was it?

Picture of me.

ZachKC
05-24-2009, 02:16 AM
They took it down.

What was it?

A gentle touch forced a hum from his lips as soft fingertips crept across his left arm. It was a touch he knew well, and yet one he had yearned to know better through years of infatuation. The same touch that had inspired his actions of heroism with a more than modest aspect of boast throughout years. “Hey.” Her soft voice barely cracked through the silent night.

UberBroncoMan
05-24-2009, 01:38 PM
NSFW

But worth looking at anyway.

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/1340/54408012.png

Hope this makes the day for those who didn't see it. (I happen to hate Feminists - taking Gender Studies in college only strengthen that hate).

Also, the site was hacked by an anonymous 4chan user... not anyone here.

TheReverend
05-24-2009, 01:39 PM
Cough... didn't post the pic because it's definitely against Mane rules, fyi...

UberBroncoMan
05-24-2009, 01:42 PM
Cough... didn't post the pic because it's definitely against Mane rules, fyi...

I guess I'll just put a link to the pic then.

Miss I.
05-24-2009, 02:40 PM
Well I looked at it, not exactly the best example of mankind, but it didn't seem much worse then half the crap I see posted by the guys on this board about women. yeah I saw the 30% thing, but I know reading a portion of what some guys have written on here about that, a lot would agree (and I have seen that demotivator posted in a thread here before, I think it was the one about slapping women or something along those lines). There's a point where humor just devolves into hate and a lot of people (male and female) cross that line alot.
I think this whole thread was posted with the intention to rile people up, the fact that not a lot of the guys really objected says one of two things, they agree, or they just wanted to stay out of the argument and avoid the discussion of feminism (which this does bring up). Not sure what most men think feminism is, but started out initially to get women equality and to teach us to value ourselves as women and as people. That's at least how I was brought up. Women and men are different, but equal in terms of worth or should be considered to be ideally (and when I say that I mean, equal punishments, equal rewards...if men are drafted so should women be, etc).

TheReverend
05-24-2009, 02:53 PM
Well I looked at it, not exactly the best example of mankind, but it didn't seem much worse then half the crap I see posted by the guys on this board about women. yeah I saw the 30% thing, but I know reading a portion of what some guys have written on here about that, a lot would agree (and I have seen that demotivator posted in a thread here before, I think it was the one about slapping women or something along those lines). There's a point where humor just devolves into hate and a lot of people (male and female) cross that line alot.
I think this whole thread was posted with the intention to rile people up, the fact that not a lot of the guys really objected says one of two things, they agree, or they just wanted to stay out of the argument and avoid the discussion of feminism (which this does bring up). Not sure what most men think feminism is, but started out initially to get women equality and to teach us to value ourselves as women and as people. That's at least how I was brought up. Women and men are different, but equal in terms of worth or should be considered to be ideally (and when I say that I mean, equal punishments, equal rewards...if men are drafted so should women be, etc).

You posted the "Women's Remote Control For Men", right...?

Just sayin...

Miss I.
05-24-2009, 03:00 PM
You posted the "Women's Remote Control For Men", right...?

Just sayin...

it's true and I own that I occasionally um, let's just say, walk a fine line between being a smart ass and being serious...I did mention that both genders are guilty of making the errors. I freely admit, though am not proud of it, that I sometimes believe a bit too heavily in the stereotypes about men and also openly objectified Daniel Craig in Casino Royale (hey you guys get your bimbos, I admit I have my himbos too). I would not say it is okay to abuse men though and I think Lorena Bobbitt should've been locked up forever. Women can be ****wits too. I think that's a human condition, not a gender one.

TheReverend
05-24-2009, 03:15 PM
it's true and I own that I occasionally um, let's just say, walk a fine line between being a smart ass and being serious...I did mention that both genders are guilty of making the errors. I freely admit, though am not proud of it, that I sometimes believe a bit too heavily in the stereotypes about men and also openly objectified Daniel Craig in Casino Royale (hey you guys get your bimbos, I admit I have my himbos too). I would not say it is okay to abuse men though and I think Lorena Bobbitt should've been locked up forever. Women can be ****wits too. I think that's a human condition, not a gender one.

I just think there's a serious PC issue with the world today. Somethings are terrible, and terribly funny all at once. And jokes can be made without condoning a thing.

I dated a feminist that worked in a bakery... that's very funny to me.

Kaylore
05-24-2009, 03:36 PM
Also, the site was hacked by an anonymous 4chan user... not anyone here.
4chan!?!?!

TheReverend
05-24-2009, 03:55 PM
4chan!?!?!

I like how the only circle they're not involved with is girls

Bob's your Information Minister
05-24-2009, 04:07 PM
I dated a feminist that worked in a bakery... that's very funny to me.

LMAO...that is pretty ironic.

OABB
05-24-2009, 06:38 PM
Well I looked at it, not exactly the best example of mankind, but it didn't seem much worse then half the crap I see posted by the guys on this board about women. yeah I saw the 30% thing, but I know reading a portion of what some guys have written on here about that, a lot would agree (and I have seen that demotivator posted in a thread here before, I think it was the one about slapping women or something along those lines). There's a point where humor just devolves into hate and a lot of people (male and female) cross that line alot.
I think this whole thread was posted with the intention to rile people up, the fact that not a lot of the guys really objected says one of two things, they agree, or they just wanted to stay out of the argument and avoid the discussion of feminism (which this does bring up). Not sure what most men think feminism is, but started out initially to get women equality and to teach us to value ourselves as women and as people. That's at least how I was brought up. Women and men are different, but equal in terms of worth or should be considered to be ideally (and when I say that I mean, equal punishments, equal rewards...if men are drafted so should women be, etc).

I am one of the worst people on this board when it comes to feminism and i am proud to say i offended many of you. I hosted a small market radio show a few months back and got into it with one of the woman callers about the history of Matriarchy..

she didn't understand my view, so I wrote a demeaning rap song about how she was only good for sucking my balls and she should get back to work.

The reason i do this, is not because I am a woman hater, but because I think the issue of feminism has gone too far and I get a kick out of upsetting men and woman who can't see the world clearly.

Simply put, I agree with you word for word and believe men and woman, although different, should be completely equal in our society. I think men and woman together, form a perfect union and that the interlocking of these differences creates a perfect person.

I am engaged, and getting married later this year and am almost religious in my values regarding our spiritual and literal connection.

but....

I am so ****ing sick and tired of the feminist movement. It is no longer about equality,or bringing women up, it is purely about bring men down. men today are taught that they are stupid, war mongering cock obsessed morons and that woman are peaceful and perfect in every way.

Men are womanlike now in the way that they act and we now have a bunch of pussies who spend 4 hours a day perfectly quaffing their hair.

We are told that our basic make-up of being warrior like and willing to die to protect those that we love is wrong, and now we are confused and lost.

A handshake means nothing now, because men just file lawsuits. a man's word is second to his supposed monetary value and woman now think that being sexually loose, is part of some revolution because they watch sex and the city and don't want to be held down by the man.

woman are becoming men, and men are becoming woman. We are not living our true natures, and now everything is sliding out of whack.

I say let's be equal but different. Let us be men, and we will let you be woman.

end rant.

footstepsfrom#27
05-24-2009, 07:00 PM
I am so ****ing sick and tired of the feminist movement. It is no longer about equality,or bringing women up, it is purely about bring men down. men today are taught that they are stupid, war mongering cock obsessed morons and that woman are peaceful and perfect in every way.
Unfortunately, that description fits a pretty high percentage of men, like it or not. I won't argue that women are perfect...but on balance they seem a damn site more responsible and better human beings on several levels...not true all the time...but true more often than you probably want to admit.

For the record...there is nothing funny about domestic violence against women. Feminism...whatever it's failings...would not have ever been necessary in the first place if society hadn't conformed for centuries to paternal cultural roles that could best be defined as turning many of us into total asswipes.

footstepsfrom#27
05-24-2009, 07:09 PM
I think this whole thread was posted with the intention to rile people up, the fact that not a lot of the guys really objected says one of two things, they agree, or they just wanted to stay out of the argument and avoid the discussion of feminism (which this does bring up).
There's a third possibility...the very fact that it WAS posted to rile people up is the reason not to fall into the trap. Sometimes it's easier to just let an idiot speak his peace and prove your point for you.
Not sure what most men think feminism is, but started out initially to get women equality and to teach us to value ourselves as women and as people. That's at least how I was brought up. Women and men are different, but equal in terms of worth or should be considered to be ideally (and when I say that I mean, equal punishments, equal rewards...if men are drafted so should women be, etc).
Right with you until that one...five daughters...I'd take them all to Canada before I'd let the government put them in combat.

OABB
05-24-2009, 07:15 PM
Unfortunately, that description fits a pretty high percentage of men, like it or not. I won't argue that women are perfect...but on balance they seem a damn site more responsible and better human beings on several levels...not true all the time...but true more often than you probably want to admit.

For the record...there is nothing funny about domestic violence against women. Feminism...whatever it's failings...would not have ever been necessary in the first place if society hadn't conformed for centuries to paternal cultural roles that could best be defined as turning many of us into total asswipes.


Really? How so? What you are saying is absurd. If you really thought about it you would realize you are speaking from an agenda and are trying to quantify a subjective opinion. It can't be done. You don't know what you are talking about.

How about this...people are people. Men have certain strengths and weaknesses as do woman, and whether a person is responsible or good natured has little to do with gender, and has everything to do with character.

what you are saying is as ridiculous as black people are more prone to committing crimes than whites. Crime is linked more to socio-economic differences than the color of your skin.

It is ridiculous when you really think about it. There are plenty of great men and ****ty woman and vice versa.

the truth is an asshole is an asshole whether it has balls or not. Men are not worse than women in any way...and being that you are a man and saying this makes me question if you are capable of forming your own opinions or just regurgitating what you hear.

footstepsfrom#27
05-24-2009, 07:28 PM
Really? How so? What you are saying is absurd. If you really thought about it you would realize you are speaking from an agenda and are trying to quantify a subjective opinion. It can't be done. You don't know what you are talking about.

How about this...people are people. Men have certain strengths and weaknesses as do woman, and whether a person is responsible or good natured has little to do with gender, and has everything to do with character.

what you are saying is as ridiculous as black people are more prone to committing crimes than whites. Crime is linked more to socio-economic differences than the color of your skin.

It is ridiculous when you really think about it. There are plenty of great men and ****ty woman and vice versa.

the truth is an a-hole is an a-hole whether it has balls or not. Men are not worse than women in any way...and being that you are a man and saying this makes me question if you are capable of forming your own opinions or just regurgitating what you hear.
See post #24 for an explanation on why I have no intention of having this discussion with you.

OABB
05-24-2009, 07:30 PM
See post #24 for an explanation on why I have no intention of having this discussion with you.

where in post 24 does it say you are a pussy?

footstepsfrom#27
05-24-2009, 07:37 PM
where in post 24 does it say you are a p***Y?
See post #24 for an explanation on why I have no intention of having this discussion with you.

OABB
05-24-2009, 07:43 PM
See post #24 for an explanation on why I have no intention of having this discussion with you.

If you are calling me an idiot that is pretty lame. I said nothing that was stupid. I made a well thought out case and have given you the opportunity to respond with another well thought out reply.

instead you call me an idiot. You are doing the equivalent of a child covering his ears and saying "I'm not listening"

in other words your being a p***Y...

Florida_Bronco
05-24-2009, 07:45 PM
This is gonna be fun.

OABB
05-24-2009, 07:53 PM
This is gonna be fun.

could have been..

for someone that has "helmet to helmet hitter" written under his name I'm surprised he is such a coward.


maybe he was referring to another kind of "helmet"....
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=docking

Archer81
05-24-2009, 07:59 PM
Society was created to protect women in the first place. To accuse society of being sexist or misogynist is a joke. There is nothing worse than a feminazi.

:Broncos:

OABB
05-24-2009, 08:07 PM
Society was created to protect women in the first place. To accuse society of being sexist or misogynist is a joke. There is nothing worse than a feminazi.

:Broncos:

never heard that before....please explain.

OABB
05-24-2009, 08:08 PM
oh, and i forgot to say that footsteps is a pussy...

Archer81
05-24-2009, 08:13 PM
never heard that before....please explain.


Think about it. Women are a civilizing influence. I am gay as **** but even I can see that.


:Broncos:

footstepsfrom#27
05-24-2009, 08:17 PM
If you are calling me an idiot that is pretty lame. I said nothing that was stupid. I made a well thought out case and have given you the opportunity to respond with another well thought out reply.

instead you call me an idiot. You are doing the equivalent of a child covering his ears and saying "I'm not listening"

in other words your being a p***Y...
See post #24 for an explanation on why I have no intention of having this discussion with you

OABB
05-24-2009, 08:21 PM
See post #34 for an explanation on why I have no intention of having this discussion with you

oh...now I get it. I'll leave you alone now, i was confused.

Bob's your Information Minister
05-24-2009, 08:22 PM
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<embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/WXYmwHzQWig&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></object>

OABB
05-24-2009, 08:29 PM
did I mention Footsteps was a pussy?

Archer81
05-24-2009, 08:33 PM
did I mention Footsteps was a p***Y?



Is this like when mommy and daddy fight?


:Broncos:

OABB
05-24-2009, 08:34 PM
Is this like when mommy and daddy fight?


:Broncos:

nope, mommy shows up.



I am letting it go...right now.

KillerBronco#76
05-24-2009, 08:53 PM
There's a third possibility...the very fact that it WAS posted to rile people up is the reason not to fall into the trap. Sometimes it's easier to just let an idiot speak his peace and prove your point for you.

Right with you until that one...five daughters...I'd take them all to Canada before I'd let the government put them in combat.


I don't think you have to worry about that. It wouldn't make any sense at all for women to go into combat.
one women usually can't have more than one child per year not counting twins and such.
One man can have almost a limitless amount in that same time of course considering there are enough women.

Thus one women is exponentially more important for rebuilding a population than one man. Making men more expendable, so it wouldn't make sense to send women into war as losing them would seriously damage you ability to regain any population lost.

That is what our genetic traits are built on. Men were built to be agressive and strong because they are expendable and are the warriors of the species. our true nature of existance is to protect pregnant women so the species can reproduce.
Thus the genetic trait built into us that make us so attracted to women. Women have a power that no man can match though. There is at least one women that a man will bend over backwards for.
Beauty lies in the mix of many genetic traits so, 90% of the time the women with the most mixed bloodlines will often be considered the most beautiful. So it actually makes more sense for women to be attracted to a man from a different ethnicity as the chances of their children obtaining a more mixed bloodline would increase. Thus making the children more likely to be seen as attractive because there is an absolute formula for beauty.
(I.E. you ever notice how more and more models are of mixed decent... its not a coincidence)

I've gotten way off topic which can happen when talking about women at least for me.

but yea rest assured girls arn't going to to get drafted anytime soon.

skunk
05-24-2009, 09:31 PM
See post #24 for an explanation on why I have no intention of having this discussion with you.

f*GG*t

KillerBronco#76
05-24-2009, 09:43 PM
I am so ****ing sick and tired of the feminist movement. It is no longer about equality,or bringing women up, it is purely about bring men down. men today are taught that they are stupid, war mongering cock obsessed morons and that woman are peaceful and perfect in every way.

Men are womanlike now in the way that they act and we now have a bunch of pussies who spend 4 hours a day perfectly quaffing their hair.

We are told that our basic make-up of being warrior like and willing to die to protect those that we love is wrong, and now we are confused and lost.

A handshake means nothing now, because men just file lawsuits. a man's word is second to his supposed monetary value and woman now think that being sexually loose, is part of some revolution because they watch sex and the city and don't want to be held down by the man.

woman are becoming men, and men are becoming woman. We are not living our true natures, and now everything is sliding out of whack.

I say let's be equal but different. Let us be men, and we will let you be woman.

end rant.


I see what your saying as far as whats happening in society. I hit on some similar subjects in a post not too long ago.but As we continue to whipe out dangers to our everyday lives the need for the warrior is gone but the aggression is still there. The Alpha-Male is being be persecuted but our society is not composed entirely of Alpha-Males. It is not something your born with it is a trait learned to dominate and thus be found attractive because it shows you can protect a women better than another man...

We are beginning the move to a more cognitive society so as this transition happens physical acts of violence are going to be looked down upon more and more. Women need a mans protection less and less these days because of this. Making the Alpha male mentality less and less needed, eventually it will die off. Don't worry though we still have a while, the persecution has just begun recently there is a long way to go.

As far as the women seeing men for their monetary value this is true but it is no different than a women seeing a man for The A-Male mentality. It is still based on the ability to protect her. As we make violent acts less appropriate to our society money becomes the tool on which protection can be leveraged. So it makes sense as money has become the tool which one can hold territory and provide the most comfortable life that the men who have it will be sought after. But there is still no question they still like men who are fit or large so they can feel physically safe. Were a long way from that completely happening as now women can also earn their own living and money will probley over the long haul become less important to them because of it.

As far as sex goes and women be "loose" you make a valid point but i think this has more to do with the fact that "the women's orgasm has finally been unleashed". Before the feminism movement women were supposed to be subdued and be loyal to the man who took care of them. Now alot of women can take care of themselves they get to choose their own terms as far a sex goes. and men are willing to do more than just get themselves off now because it means they get to do it more often.

There was a book written by Heinlein in the early sixties that really covers the topic of sex and is spot on in the way we are heading sexually as a society.

Well that's all i have time for tonight but feel free to criticise or disprove anything i have written.

skunk
05-24-2009, 10:36 PM
There was a book written by Heinlein in the early sixties that really covers the topic of sex and is spot on in the way we are heading sexually as a society.

Well that's all i have time for tonight but feel free to criticise or disprove anything i have written.

i love sexual societies especially in a broncos forum

lets get it on

OABB
05-24-2009, 11:24 PM
I see what your saying as far as whats happening in society. I hit on some similar subjects in a post not too long ago.but As we continue to whipe out dangers to our everyday lives the need for the warrior is gone but the aggression is still there. The Alpha-Male is being be persecuted but our society is not composed entirely of Alpha-Males. It is not something your born with it is a trait learned to dominate and thus be found attractive because it shows you can protect a women better than another man...

We are beginning the move to a more cognitive society so as this transition happens physical acts of violence are going to be looked down upon more and more. Women need a mans protection less and less these days because of this. Making the Alpha male mentality less and less needed, eventually it will die off. Don't worry though we still have a while, the persecution has just begun recently there is a long way to go.

As far as the women seeing men for their monetary value this is true but it is no different than a women seeing a man for The A-Male mentality. It is still based on the ability to protect her. As we make violent acts less appropriate to our society money becomes the tool on which protection can be leveraged. So it makes sense as money has become the tool which one can hold territory and provide the most comfortable life that the men who have it will be sought after. But there is still no question they still like men who are fit or large so they can feel physically safe. Were a long way from that completely happening as now women can also earn their own living and money will probley over the long haul become less important to them because of it.

As far as sex goes and women be "loose" you make a valid point but i think this has more to do with the fact that "the women's orgasm has finally been unleashed". Before the feminism movement women were supposed to be subdued and be loyal to the man who took care of them. Now alot of women can take care of themselves they get to choose their own terms as far a sex goes. and men are willing to do more than just get themselves off now because it means they get to do it more often.

There was a book written by Heinlein in the early sixties that really covers the topic of sex and is spot on in the way we are heading sexually as a society.

Well that's all i have time for tonight but feel free to criticise or disprove anything i have written.


First off...thanks for not being a big giant pussy like footsteps and for being willing to have a discussion on a discussion board.

I agree with everything you have said. Persecution is the correct term as well. Most people like to brush this topic off as if having this discussion doesn't matter. But the alpha male is not something to fear or to destroy.
It is because of the alpha male that we are where we are today. Democracy, language, math, trade, money, etc wouldn't be around without the alpha male. Believe me, talking about world peace and saying that we can all get along are bull**** and everyone knows it. It is a jungle out there, and the strongest male has always changed the course of history. ALWAYS.

and those days are dead. but we are still the same animal.

not living your nature can cause a lot of problems.

depression, health issues, misdirected aggression anger...just to name a few.

I know it seems crazy, but we are animals, and every dollar earned doesn't hide the sense of loss we feel when we walk away from a fight or fail to protect someone we care about. Everytime we deny what and who we are as animal we develop a deeper sense of confusion.

in this sense, the difference between men and woman can be viewed the same. When a man is a pussy like footsteps it hurts the world as a hole.


you make an excellent point about money substituting strength in a woman's eyes...makes sense, although it is sad because you don't need high character to make money, sometimes you need the opposite.

and I didn't mean to say that woman can't be sexually expressive or even promiscuous, it's just that that doesn't make you "strong" or "equal" or "powerfull", it makes you sexual-plain and simple.

When our grandmother's were burning bras and fighting for equality, having their granddaughter's making "girls gone wild" dvd's wasn't what they had in mind for all their hard work.

footsteps is a pussy btw. In case I forgot to say so.

Miss I.
05-25-2009, 01:49 AM
There's a third possibility...the very fact that it WAS posted to rile people up is the reason not to fall into the trap. Sometimes it's easier to just let an idiot speak his peace and prove your point for you.

Right with you until that one...five daughters...I'd take them all to Canada before I'd let the government put them in combat.

I guess my point on that is, if we expect to be treated in similar manner to men that probably should be equal in all responsibilities. I don't really agree with having a draft for anyone, but it does happen and I think the origination of women not being drafted had a lot of to do with women being the caretaker. Men can be caretakers too (I have an uncle who is a stay at home Dad while his wife works as a Doctor and was also army as well).

As for the comment about the bakery from another post, that isn't really ironic is it ? I mean if we want to be able to do anything based on our own particular interests and skills (so not limited just to bakery or home related, but also industry - I work in manufacturing and baking to me involves stopping at one to pick it up, though I admit I do bake a good chocolate chip cookie) we should be able to be bakers, lawyers, doctors, homemakers, whatever. The same should apply to men. And also some of the best chefs and bakers in the world are men.

The fact is the more women are able to sustain themselves, the less we will have to depend on marriage and that income to be our support and that is good for everyone including men (think how much less alimony you have to pay if we don't need it or if together, how much more can be done with 2 incomes). It does require flexibility on the part of both genders to understand how this impacts them, how they will need to adjust (eg men take a more active parenting-caretaker role and women learn to work with their partners to balance all those needs, personal, family, etc).

FS27, I agree also with your first point, I guess I could've left it alone (unless you are calling me an idiot...;D, hopefully not) But I read this stuff and sometimes I get tired of ignoring it. Women arent' looking for more rights, just equal ones and abuse is not really funny. For less then 100 years women have had the right to vote, before that, without it, we weren't really citizens, merely property of our husbands or fathers. I mean, we had doweries for God's sake, money or property our husbands got for marrying us. Excellent, what a way to live that must have been.

I don't want men to become women or vice versa, that's not the point, but as people, regardless of gender, we have a lot we could learn from each other.

footstepsfrom#27
05-25-2009, 02:08 AM
FS27, I agree also with your first point, I guess I could've left it alone (unless you are calling me an idiot...;D, hopefully not)
You? No...I could have this conversation with you. I was referring to the idiot who thinks I owe him a conversation. I was suggesting somebody would use their mouth to prove their own stupidity without additional help from me...no surprise...right on schedule.
But I read this stuff and sometimes I get tired of ignoring it. Women arent' looking for more rights, just equal ones and abuse is not really funny. For less then 100 years women have had the right to vote, before that, without it, we weren't really citizens, merely property of our husbands or fathers. I mean, we had doweries for God's sake, money or property our husbands got for marrying us. Excellent, what a way to live that must have been.
Yep...I agree with all of that. Unfortunately most people are either blind to truth or resist it when they find out it's something that's uncomfortable to hear.

Miss I.
05-25-2009, 02:35 AM
I agree with everything you have said. Persecution is the correct term as well. Most people like to brush this topic off as if having this discussion doesn't matter. But the alpha male is not something to fear or to destroy.
It is because of the alpha male that we are where we are today. Democracy, language, math, trade, money, etc wouldn't be around without the alpha male. Believe me, talking about world peace and saying that we can all get along are bull**** and everyone knows it. It is a jungle out there, and the strongest male has always changed the course of history. ALWAYS.

and those days are dead. but we are still the same animal.

not living your nature can cause a lot of problems.

depression, health issues, misdirected aggression anger...just to name a few.

I know it seems crazy, but we are animals, and every dollar earned doesn't hide the sense of loss we feel when we walk away from a fight or fail to protect someone we care about. Everytime we deny what and who we are as animal we develop a deeper sense of confusion.

in this sense, the difference between men and woman can be viewed the same. When a man is a p***Y like footsteps it hurts the world as a hole.


you make an excellent point about money substituting strength in a woman's eyes...makes sense, although it is sad because you don't need high character to make money, sometimes you need the opposite.

and I didn't mean to say that woman can't be sexually expressive or even promiscuous, it's just that that doesn't make you "strong" or "equal" or "powerfull", it makes you sexual-plain and simple.

When our grandmother's were burning bras and fighting for equality, having their granddaughter's making "girls gone wild" dvd's wasn't what they had in mind for all their hard work.

footsteps is a p***Y btw. In case I forgot to say so.

Alright, ignoring the name calling to try to have this discussion:
1. The greatest strength of humanity is it's ability to evolve: without it we would die out like the dinosaurs - what that means for your argument is this, there is a difference between denying your true nature and evolving. Yes, fundamentally people are also animals with certain innate charcteristics. What really differentiates us from apes or other animals (aside from opposable thumbs) is our ability to continually develop more, specifically intellectually. Are men naturally more agressive then women, maybe, but doubtful. they might be phsyically stronger and testosterone does give you more tendencies in that vein (but women have testosterone too, just not as much). Women can be just as agressive but we tend to be socialized to funnel those tendencies differently (much of the time against each other as we compete for male attention). Nobody is asking men to stop being men, but we are asking that those agressive tendancies stop being used to pummel your spouses, girlfriends and children and that you stop using your "nature" as a way to justify that behavior. It is not okay to beat, molest, rape, verbally abuse people (it's not okay for us either, I think Mary Kay Letorneu is a dirtbag just as much as the priests sexually abusing the altar boys were, no difference in their behavior).
2. As for the sexuality issue, that is still a problem, I agree women's rights were not developed so a bunch of drunk college girls could flash their ta-tas for money. And just having a lot of sex just makes you sexual true. But having control over our own body, not being judged in different terms from men about sexuality is an issue. You guys have 35 lovers and that makes you a stud, that makes women sluts. Frankly, the standard should be the same for both. Sex is not evil and women enjoying it should make it better for both parties. But going back to the girls gone wild thing, why do you think those girls do that? There is some idiot guy making tons of money off of that because guys, a lot of them who post here, love that stuff, making women sexual objects (and I do think the human body, male and female is beautiful, naked and clothed, but there is a line where it goes from beauty to dehumanizing).
What makes a woman strong sexually is enjoying her body, enjoying her partner's body and bringing pleasure to both responsibly (yes condoms, birth control, getting tested, really caring about your partner, not just f-ing every person that comes along...same goes for guys or it should).

That One Guy
05-25-2009, 07:22 AM
There's a third possibility...the very fact that it WAS posted to rile people up is the reason not to fall into the trap. Sometimes it's easier to just let an idiot speak his peace and prove your point for you.

Right with you until that one...five daughters...I'd take them all to Canada before I'd let the government put them in combat.

And with that last statement, you again push forth the notion of men being better than women, congrats. If men can be drafted to fight wars but women can't handle it then men have more value. Is that what you were saying?

Until men and women are always considered equal, there will be no equality. When I see our president ONLY considering women for a supreme court position... I hate feminists just a bit more. Laws can be interpreted just as well by men or women but he's ONLY looking for a woman? How's that not sexist?

This is a two way street and women never want to walk that path. They want their own path of sugar and compliments where everything is good and they're equal when it benefits them. I call BS. You can't have the good until you're willing to take the bad as well.

That One Guy
05-25-2009, 07:28 AM
I don't think you have to worry about that. It wouldn't make any sense at all for women to go into combat.
one women usually can't have more than one child per year not counting twins and such.
One man can have almost a limitless amount in that same time of course considering there are enough women.

Thus one women is exponentially more important for rebuilding a population than one man. Making men more expendable, so it wouldn't make sense to send women into war as losing them would seriously damage you ability to regain any population lost.

That is what our genetic traits are built on. Men were built to be agressive and strong because they are expendable and are the warriors of the species. our true nature of existance is to protect pregnant women so the species can reproduce.
Thus the genetic trait built into us that make us so attracted to women. Women have a power that no man can match though. There is at least one women that a man will bend over backwards for.
Beauty lies in the mix of many genetic traits so, 90% of the time the women with the most mixed bloodlines will often be considered the most beautiful. So it actually makes more sense for women to be attracted to a man from a different ethnicity as the chances of their children obtaining a more mixed bloodline would increase. Thus making the children more likely to be seen as attractive because there is an absolute formula for beauty.
(I.E. you ever notice how more and more models are of mixed decent... its not a coincidence)

I've gotten way off topic which can happen when talking about women at least for me.

but yea rest assured girls arn't going to to get drafted anytime soon.

If you want me to respect their specialties as women, you have to respect the specialties as men. Men are, on average, physically stronger than women. If someone is stronger, they're more useful in physical jobs and should therefore make more money. How many times have we seen a construction crew at work with the women holding the slow signs? How does that show equality?

If you want to respect and identify the positives each sex brings to the table, go for it, but it again has to be a two way street. Men and women each have their own values but you can't have any favoritism towards a male for his while you MUST respect a female's?

That One Guy
05-25-2009, 07:45 AM
Alright, ignoring the name calling to try to have this discussion:
1. The greatest strength of humanity is it's ability to evolve: without it we would die out like the dinosaurs - what that means for your argument is this, there is a difference between denying your true nature and evolving. Yes, fundamentally people are also animals with certain innate charcteristics. What really differentiates us from apes or other animals (aside from opposable thumbs) is our ability to continually develop more, specifically intellectually. Are men naturally more agressive then women, maybe, but doubtful. they might be phsyically stronger and testosterone does give you more tendencies in that vein (but women have testosterone too, just not as much). Women can be just as agressive but we tend to be socialized to funnel those tendencies differently (much of the time against each other as we compete for male attention). Nobody is asking men to stop being men, but we are asking that those agressive tendancies stop being used to pummel your spouses, girlfriends and children and that you stop using your "nature" as a way to justify that behavior. It is not okay to beat, molest, rape, verbally abuse people (it's not okay for us either, I think Mary Kay Letorneu is a dirtbag just as much as the priests sexually abusing the altar boys were, no difference in their behavior).
2. As for the sexuality issue, that is still a problem, I agree women's rights were not developed so a bunch of drunk college girls could flash their ta-tas for money. And just having a lot of sex just makes you sexual true. But having control over our own body, not being judged in different terms from men about sexuality is an issue. You guys have 35 lovers and that makes you a stud, that makes women sluts. Frankly, the standard should be the same for both. Sex is not evil and women enjoying it should make it better for both parties. But going back to the girls gone wild thing, why do you think those girls do that? There is some idiot guy making tons of money off of that because guys, a lot of them who post here, love that stuff, making women sexual objects (and I do think the human body, male and female is beautiful, naked and clothed, but there is a line where it goes from beauty to dehumanizing).
What makes a woman strong sexually is enjoying her body, enjoying her partner's body and bringing pleasure to both responsibly (yes condoms, birth control, getting tested, really caring about your partner, not just f-ing every person that comes along...same goes for guys or it should).

In what species on earth does the male not chase the female? I presume there's probably a few that court the other way but not many. So, if a man succeeds in chasing the female he's after, he is victorious. The female, on the other hand, is usually competed for and only the best gets her. Based on that theory, the female is still won and it's the male's job to reign victorious. If every male in the herd has "won" her, she's not that special.

We're all animals at heart still. Equality is a human concept and doesn't exist in nature - our true origins. This concept of evolution is crazy and completely invented in someone's imagination. It sounds good and in theory could work one day but there is no equality in nature, plain and simple. We are still products of darwinism, no matter how much everyone wants to deny it.

footstepsfrom#27
05-25-2009, 09:09 AM
Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27
There's a third possibility...the very fact that it WAS posted to rile people up is the reason not to fall into the trap. Sometimes it's easier to just let an idiot speak his peace and prove your point for you.

Right with you until that one...five daughters...I'd take them all to Canada before I'd let the government put them in combat.
And with that last statement, you again push forth the notion of men being better than women, congrats. If men can be drafted to fight wars but women can't handle it then men have more value. Is that what you were saying?
No you numbskull I'm saying the damn government is not sending my daughters to war, nor are they drafting them into the military. Why is that difficult for you to understand? That's got zip to do with men being better or "more valuable" than women, especially since we're not.

That One Guy
05-25-2009, 09:22 AM
No you numbskull I'm saying the damn government is not sending my daughters to war, nor are they drafting them into the military. Why is that difficult for you to understand? That's got zip to do with men being better or "more valuable" than women, especially since we're not.

OK, so you're saying your family is too good to fight for this country and do your fair share. I got ya. Well luckily not everyone thinks like you.

Quite amusing, I think, considering you're one of the advocates of all the handouts going around. When it comes time to do your part for the benefits you enjoy, you openly say you'd run. You sound like the posterchild of what our government is going to eventually create...

I hope you're ashamed and embarrassed.

Miss I.
05-25-2009, 09:31 AM
In what species on earth does the male not chase the female? I presume there's probably a few that court the other way but not many. So, if a man succeeds in chasing the female he's after, he is victorious. The female, on the other hand, is usually competed for and only the best gets her. Based on that theory, the female is still won and it's the male's job to reign victorious. If every male in the herd has "won" her, she's not that special.

We're all animals at heart still. Equality is a human concept and doesn't exist in nature - our true origins. This concept of evolution is crazy and completely invented in someone's imagination. It sounds good and in theory could work one day but there is no equality in nature, plain and simple. We are still products of darwinism, no matter how much everyone wants to deny it.

wow, that's just a depressing thought, that we can't evolve as a species to be better and smarter and learn lessons from our mistakes, that would be unfortunate. And women, are not some kind of ****ing prize or trophy. It's not a god damn competition in the sense you make it. No man is going to "win" me like a sporting event. It's a mutual decision to be with or not be with someone.

And as for your ideas on evolution, you do understand that Darwin (and Darwinism) is one of the key developers of evolutionary theory don't you? http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/history/evotheory.html Your remarks above therefore contradict each other.

Archer81
05-25-2009, 09:51 AM
wow, that's just a depressing thought, that we can't evolve as a species to be better and smarter and learn lessons from our mistakes, that would be unfortunate. And women, are not some kind of ****ing prize or trophy. It's not a god damn competition in the sense you make it. No man is going to "win" me like a sporting event. It's a mutual decision to be with or not be with someone.

And as for your ideas on evolution, you do understand that Darwin (and Darwinism) is one of the key developers of evolutionary theory don't you? http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/history/evotheory.html Your remarks above therefore contradict each other.


For some people it appears they have not gotten past the whole caveman phase.

:Broncos:

Archer81
05-25-2009, 09:52 AM
OK, so you're saying your family is too good to fight for this country and do your fair share. I got ya. Well luckily not everyone thinks like you.

Quite amusing, I think, considering you're one of the advocates of all the handouts going around. When it comes time to do your part for the benefits you enjoy, you openly say you'd run. You sound like the posterchild of what our government is going to eventually create...

I hope you're ashamed and embarrassed.


No, he is saying he does not want his daughter drafted to go to war. He never said anything about not doing "his fair share". Whatever that means. Are you purposely obtuse or are you naturally a jackass?

:Broncos:

That One Guy
05-25-2009, 09:56 AM
wow, that's just a depressing thought, that we can't evolve as a species to be better and smarter and learn lessons from our mistakes, that would be unfortunate. And women, are not some kind of ****ing prize or trophy. It's not a god damn competition in the sense you make it. No man is going to "win" me like a sporting event. It's a mutual decision to be with or not be with someone.

And as for your ideas on evolution, you do understand that Darwin (and Darwinism) is one of the key developers of evolutionary theory don't you? http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/history/evotheory.html Your remarks above therefore contradict each other.

I should have clarified. Darwinism generally deals with physical evolution not this concept of mental evolution that people try to invent. Physical evolution can happen because it's absolute. The stronger will be stronger, it's a fact. Those who have tools at their disposal will beat those who are too don't. This mental evolution that states we're too good for a concept is just someone's wet dream and will always be cast aside when the benefits outweight.

In reality, I join in this dream of equality. Seeing as I'm not gay, I have no choice but be a fan of women. I just get tired of carrying the burden of everything while women reap benefits and I continue to be treated as if I were some sort of criminal. I believe that for sex, race, nationality... everything. That makes me resent a lot of things. Quit acting like you're owed something more than I am and I'll treat you as my equal.

And you can continue to deny it but you're a notch on every guy you've ever slept with's bed post. Guys have bragged to their friends about "this one chick I f'd" - and they were talking about that loving embrace you remember. Guys conquer, women are conquered. That's why it continues to be looked upon differently for men and women.

Archer81
05-25-2009, 09:59 AM
I should have clarified. Darwinism generally deals with physical evolution not this concept of mental evolution that people try to invent. Physical evolution can happen because it's absolute. The stronger will be stronger, it's a fact. Those who have tools at their disposal will beat those who are too don't. This mental evolution that states we're too good for a concept is just someone's wet dream and will always be cast aside when the benefits outweight.

In reality, I join in this dream of equality. Seeing as I'm not gay, I have no choice but be a fan of women. I just get tired of carrying the burden of everything while women reap benefits and I continue to be treated as if I were some sort of criminal. I believe that for sex, race, nationality... everything. That makes me resent a lot of things. Quit acting like you're owed something more than I am and I'll treat you as my equal.

And you can continue to deny it but you're a notch on every guy you've ever slept with's bed post. Guys have bragged to their friends about "this one chick I f'd" - and they were talking about that loving embrace you remember. Guys conquer, women are conquered. That's why it continues to be looked upon differently for men and women.


What a concise, well thought out, informative pile of ****.

:Broncos:

footstepsfrom#27
05-25-2009, 10:01 AM
OK, so you're saying your family is too good to fight for this country and do your fair share. I got ya. Well luckily not everyone thinks like you.

Quite amusing, I think, considering you're one of the advocates of all the handouts going around. When it comes time to do your part for the benefits you enjoy, you openly say you'd run. You sound like the posterchild of what our government is going to eventually create...

I hope you're ashamed and embarrassed.
I'm sure you're not really this stupid. It has to be an act.

OABB
05-25-2009, 10:10 AM
Alright, ignoring the name calling to try to have this discussion:
1. The greatest strength of humanity is it's ability to evolve: without it we would die out like the dinosaurs - what that means for your argument is this, there is a difference between denying your true nature and evolving. Yes, fundamentally people are also animals with certain innate charcteristics. What really differentiates us from apes or other animals (aside from opposable thumbs) is our ability to continually develop more, specifically intellectually. Are men naturally more agressive then women, maybe, but doubtful. they might be phsyically stronger and testosterone does give you more tendencies in that vein (but women have testosterone too, just not as much). Women can be just as agressive but we tend to be socialized to funnel those tendencies differently (much of the time against each other as we compete for male attention). Nobody is asking men to stop being men, but we are asking that those agressive tendancies stop being used to pummel your spouses, girlfriends and children and that you stop using your "nature" as a way to justify that behavior. It is not okay to beat, molest, rape, verbally abuse people (it's not okay for us either, I think Mary Kay Letorneu is a dirtbag just as much as the priests sexually abusing the altar boys were, no difference in their behavior).
2. As for the sexuality issue, that is still a problem, I agree women's rights were not developed so a bunch of drunk college girls could flash their ta-tas for money. And just having a lot of sex just makes you sexual true. But having control over our own body, not being judged in different terms from men about sexuality is an issue. You guys have 35 lovers and that makes you a stud, that makes women sluts. Frankly, the standard should be the same for both. Sex is not evil and women enjoying it should make it better for both parties. But going back to the girls gone wild thing, why do you think those girls do that? There is some idiot guy making tons of money off of that because guys, a lot of them who post here, love that stuff, making women sexual objects (and I do think the human body, male and female is beautiful, naked and clothed, but there is a line where it goes from beauty to dehumanizing).
What makes a woman strong sexually is enjoying her body, enjoying her partner's body and bringing pleasure to both responsibly (yes condoms, birth control, getting tested, really caring about your partner, not just f-ing every person that comes along...same goes for guys or it should).


I don't believe that humans "evolve". Just because we have better technology today doesn't mean we are any different than we were 100s of thousands of years ago. we are the same animal. The problem with believing that we are smarter today is that we deny who we are and live in a magical fantasy land where we will "continue to evolve" and eventually be peace loving hippies that speak telepathically and work out all issues by a vote....

It's magical thinking and very dangerous. That's why people get robbed or killed or taken advantage of because they are weak. Every time I hear someone talk about "evolving" or how we are so "dumb and warlike" and we should have "world peace" and hug it out in snuggies, I think about how sorry that person is going to be when the **** hits the fan, or they have to defend themselves.

Miss Independent, you should re-read your above post and look at how quickly you go from me saying that we should not deny our nature to domestic abuse in like two sentences. I never said it was man's nature to beat his wife. In fact it is the opposite of man's nature. A real man protects his wife, a pussy like footsteps is the kind of guy that beats on a woman because he can't be strong enough to deal with his insecurities.

My theory is this, feminists are today, agenda driven. They don't understand the male, and they are scared to death of it. They leap from aggression to wife beating and don't see how that is reactionary.
A real man is a warrior who is willing to die for his country or his friends and family. There is no higher ideal that even a woman can achieve than this. It is considered an honor to die with courage. think about that for a second....now when we have this and all we hear is that we a re stupid, jocks, or that woman can reproduce and raise kids without our dumb selves, or pussies like footsteps say that woman are better.....well, it's upsetting to say the least.

as far as the overt sexuality, I agree with you there. It is pleasurable when a woman is confident and open minded. I have no problem with the number of partners either. My fiance has probably set a west coast record in her day.....but she is loyal to me and that is all I can ask for.

those girls in the ggw video tapes don't strike me that way. There definitely is a thing called a slut. It's not about numbers, it's about having nothing else to offer but a vagina, and having no self respect to be picky in just who you allow to enter it. having sex for attention is sad because for one it shows dysfunction, and two it means that you'll **** anything that buys you a drink and no man is willing to get closer to someone that does that because they will get hurt.

footstepsfrom#27
05-25-2009, 10:30 AM
A real man protects his wife, a p***Y like footsteps is the kind of guy that beats on a woman because he can't be strong enough to deal with his insecurities.
My wife was a battered woman with years of abuse before we met each other you sick little sack of dog **** and it took me several years to undo the horrible damage some a$$hole like you did to her. He beat her, raped her, slammed her head into a concrete wall, strangled her, punched her daughter in the face, threatened to kill her and made her life a living hell, which is why this issue means something to me, and why I'm not interested in discussing it with some waste of sperm woman hater on the internet. I'm not surprised that a snot nosed little puke like you refers to someone you dislike by comparing them to female genitals...it shows what you think of your own mother and what you're made of.

OABB
05-25-2009, 10:38 AM
My wife was a battered woman with years of abuse before we met each other you sick little sack of dog **** and it took me several years to undo the horrible damage some a-hole like you did to her. He beat her, raped her, slammed her head into a concrete wall, strangled her, punched her daughter in the face, threatened to kill her and made her life a living hell, which is why this issue means something to me, and why I'm not interested in discussing it with some waste of sperm woman hater on the internet. I'm not surprised that a snot nosed little puke like you refers to someone you dislike by comparing them to female genitals...it shows what you think of your own mother and what you're made of.

let it out...I am sorry to hear about this and am truly sorry for your wife. what happened to her is horrible, and it obviously has colored your views on men. I am glad you are finally talking to me. The truth is I am not a woman hater or abuser. I have never hit a woman. I never will.

The pain you feel is real, and you should deal with it because it was obvious to me from the start that you are reactionary or that there is an issue here. That is why I have been calling you out. All men are not like her ex. and it isn't fair to lump us all together.

it is this generalization of men that I have a problem with, and you are just as reactionary as a dike feminist. It is not fair to view men this way. That is the point I have been trying to make.

You are a man, you have pride and that is why all you need to do is be called a p***Y enough and you'll react. You should. You are getting in touch with your real self when you do. Stand up and defend yourself. Now that i got your attention...Tell me, do you think that maybe you are letting that a-hole color your view? think about it....

Feminism started as a push for equality, and now it is more of this. "I know a bad guy, so I think you are all bad." that is the definition of being reactionary, and my ultimate point.

It's time for us all to really take a step back and reconsider how we view eachother.


I am done calling you a p***Y because you stopped being one.

footstepsfrom#27
05-25-2009, 10:49 AM
let it out...I am sorry to hear about this and am truly sorry for your wife. what happened to her is horrible, and it obviously has colored your views on men. I am glad you are finally talking to me. The truth is I am not a woman hater or abuser. I have never hit a woman. I never will.

The pain you feel is real, and you should deal with it because it was obvious to me from the start that you are reactionary or that there is an issue here. That is why I have been calling you out. All men are not like her ex. and it isn't fair to lump us all together.

it is this generalization of men that I have a problem with, and you are just as reactionary as a dike feminist. It is not fair to view men this way. That is the point I have been trying to make.

You are a man, you have pride and that is why all you need to do is be called a p***Y enough and you'll react. You should. You are getting in touch with your real self when you do. Stand up and defend yourself. Now that i got your attention...Tell me, do you think that maybe you are letting that a-hole color your view? think about it....

Feminism started as a push for equality, and now it is more of this. "I know a bad guy, so I think you are all bad." that is the definition of being reactionary, and my ultimate point.

It's time for us all to really take a step back and reconsider how we view eachother.


I am done calling you a p***Y because you stopped being one.
Good grief...you're some kind of amateur shrink. The fact that I disagree with you has zero to do with any "issues" I have with men. Don't presume to know anything about me.

OABB
05-25-2009, 10:55 AM
Good grief...you're some kind of amateur shrink. The fact that I disagree with you has zero to do with any "issues" I have with men. Don't presume to know anything about me.

Where exactly do you disagree with me?

all you have done is duck me, than blast me and now you are trying to accuse me of something that isn't true.

If you disagree with me than tell me where. a discussion requires a back and forth and talking to you is like herding cats. Just explain yourself already.

also, you don't even have to be an amateur shrink to see what I see. It's obvious.

footstepsfrom#27
05-25-2009, 11:06 AM
Where exactly do you disagree with me?

all you have done is duck me, than blast me and now you are trying to accuse me of something that isn't true.

If you disagree with me than tell me where. a discussion requires a back and forth and talking to you is like herding cats. Just explain yourself already.

also, you don't even have to be an amateur shrink to see what I see. It's obvious.
Dude, the only thing obvious is that you have some kind of bizarre need for this conversation and I don't. Duck you? I told you from the start I'm not interested in having this conversation PERIOD. This is not a case of me stating opinions and then deciding not to back them up. I'm simply not interested...what's difficult to understand about that? You act like I'm somehow obligated to discuss this, which I'm not. I'm not interested because there is no upside here. Why exactly do you think I need to go round the mullberry bush with you on something we are not going to agree on? This is not the WRP forum anyway, and if I want to engage in this kind of bull**** I'll go over there and do so. A discussion on this topic wil take 40 posts and several days.

Thanks but no thanks.

That One Guy
05-25-2009, 11:10 AM
Dude, the only thing obvious is that you have some kind of bizarre need for this conversation and I don't. Duck you? I told you from the start I'm not interested in having this conversation PERIOD. This is not a case of me stating opinions and then deciding not to back them up. I'm simply not interested...what's difficult to understand about that? You act like I'm somehow obligated to discuss this, which I'm not. I'm not interested because there is no upside here. Why exactly do you think I need to go round the mullberry bush with you on something we are not going to agree on? This is not the WRP forum anyway, and if I want to engage in this kind of bull**** I'll go over there and do so. A discussion on this topic wil take 40 posts and several days.

Thanks but no thanks.

Translation: I'll give my opinion and comment when I feel like it but when it doesn't look too promising, I'm outta here!

OABB
05-25-2009, 11:12 AM
Dude, the only thing obvious is that you have some kind of bizarre need for this conversation and I don't. Duck you? I told you from the start I'm not interested in having this conversation PERIOD. This is not a case of me stating opinions and then deciding not to back them up. I'm simply not interested...what's difficult to understand about that? You act like I'm somehow obligated to discuss this, which I'm not. I'm not interested because there is no upside here. Why exactly do you think I need to go round the mullberry bush with you on something we are not going to agree on? This is not the WRP forum anyway, and if I want to engage in this kind of bull**** I'll go over there and do so. A discussion on this topic wil take 40 posts and several days.

Thanks but no thanks.

Had you not repeatedly called me an idiot I might have believed this p***Y bow out.


reread the thread...you'll see it all clearly.

OABB
05-25-2009, 11:25 AM
Translation: I'll give my opinion and comment when I feel like it but when it doesn't look too promising, I'm outta here!

qft...

you know, I hear people b****ing about how this site isn't good anymore and that it is a bunch of children, but there are excellent threads here. We've got feminism, aliens, wpr and even threads about how Kobe isn't clutch...

The problem with this site isn't the people that say stupid things, it's the people who are afraid to talk.

I have no problem being "owned" or being wrong. If I am wrong than I want to know it so I can change it. That's how we grow. being caught up in your own view is sad.

i admit I can get carried away at times, but if the worst thing you can say about me is that I get carried away, I am o.k. with that. It's better than being like footsteps here or lex in the other thread where they close off and escape the discussion. why even be here?

I know this is a football site, so don't give me that...many people here are friends on the outside and it's the offseason.

That One Guy
05-25-2009, 11:37 AM
qft...

you know, I hear people b****ing about how this site isn't good anymore and that it is a bunch of children, but there are excellent threads here. We've got feminism, aliens, wpr and even threads about how Kobe isn't clutch...

The problem with this site isn't the people that say stupid things, it's the people who are afraid to talk.

I have no problem being "owned" or being wrong. If I am wrong than I want to know it so I can change it. That's how we grow. being caught up in your own view is sad.

i admit I can get carried away at times, but if the worst thing you can say about me is that I get carried away, I am o.k. with that. It's better than being like footsteps here or lex in the other thread where they close off and escape the discussion. why even be here?

I know this is a football site, so don't give me that...many people here are friends on the outside and it's the offseason.

I wont lie... I sometimes hang on a bit after the argument is lost for the sake of saving face. I always figure I can argue a stance though. Some people try to have these discussions with no ammo and a stance they heard on CNN and it resorts to nothing but insults.

Footsteps has always been ready and willing to gobble up the excuses and spew em against the white man. White men only take time from beating their women or opressing someone to revel in the fact that blacks are forced to exist in substandard conditions with no chance of ever bettering themselves, if you ask him. He and a few of his compadres are the only ones that don't tire of hearing his garbage.

Of course with so many liberals on these boards, sometimes there's quite a few waiting to jump in with him.

OABB
05-25-2009, 11:44 AM
I wont lie... I sometimes hang on a bit after the argument is lost for the sake of saving face. I always figure I can argue a stance though. Some people try to have these discussions with no ammo and a stance they heard on CNN and it resorts to nothing but insults.

Footsteps has always been ready and willing to gobble up the excuses and spew em against the white man. White men only take time from beating their women or opressing someone to revel in the fact that blacks are forced to exist in substandard conditions with no chance of ever bettering themselves, if you ask him. He and a few of his compadres are the only ones that don't tire of hearing his garbage.

Of course with so many liberals on these boards, sometimes there's quite a few waiting to jump in with him.

I guess I don't understand the idea of "losing" a discussion. There is no losing or winning in debate imo. The purpose should be to open up your mind and be objective with your analysis. It's addictive to gain knowledge even if it's at your own expense.

I have "lost" debates so badly in my days that I understand the need to save face, but that is all ego and now I welcome "losing" arguments because that is how I learn.

I don't know why anyone would shy away from that, or why "winning" is so important...


This of course is not applicable in the case of Lex in last night Kobe fest.

He definitely lost that argument!

That One Guy
05-25-2009, 11:50 AM
I guess I don't understand the idea of "losing" a discussion. There is no losing or winning in debate imo. The purpose should be to open up your mind and be objective with your analysis. It's addictive to gain knowledge even if it's at your own expense.

I have "lost" debates so badly in my days that I understand the need to save face, but that is all ego and now I welcome "losing" arguments because that is how I learn.

I don't know why anyone would shy away from that, or why "winning" is so important...


This of course is not applicable in the case of Lex in last night Kobe fest.

He definitely lost that argument!

Lex has gotten beat down so many times that he's probably come to love it.

As for the rest, I think most arguments here are debated with so few facts and when facts are presented, there's a complete ignoring of them so there's rarely anything you can learn. Unless you're open to such concepts as the eradication of men being the cure to the problems of the world, the nonsense just goes in circles so it doesn't benefit many.

It helps me pass time at work though!

OABB
05-25-2009, 11:55 AM
Lex has gotten beat down so many times that he's probably come to love it.

As for the rest, I think most arguments here are debated with so few facts and when facts are presented, there's a complete ignoring of them so there's rarely anything you can learn. Unless you're open to such concepts as the eradication of men being the cure to the problems of the world, the nonsense just goes in circles so it doesn't benefit many.

It helps me pass time at work though!


It's not just here....it's everywhere.

Sad too, if people really were to mentally "evolve" it would start with researching facts and not being so quick to pick a side that agrees with your personal agenda.

Isn't it funny that the people who usually talk about "evolving" and progression are the most stubborn and close minded people in the world?

Miss I.
05-25-2009, 12:04 PM
I don't believe that humans "evolve". Just because we have better technology today doesn't mean we are any different than we were 100s of thousands of years ago. we are the same animal. The problem with believing that we are smarter today is that we deny who we are and live in a magical fantasy land where we will "continue to evolve" and eventually be peace loving hippies that speak telepathically and work out all issues by a vote....

It's magical thinking and very dangerous. That's why people get robbed or killed or taken advantage of because they are weak. Every time I hear someone talk about "evolving" or how we are so "dumb and warlike" and we should have "world peace" and hug it out in snuggies, I think about how sorry that person is going to be when the **** hits the fan, or they have to defend themselves.

Miss Independent, you should re-read your above post and look at how quickly you go from me saying that we should not deny our nature to domestic abuse in like two sentences. I never said it was man's nature to beat his wife. In fact it is the opposite of man's nature. A real man protects his wife, a p***Y like footsteps is the kind of guy that beats on a woman because he can't be strong enough to deal with his insecurities.

My theory is this, feminists are today, agenda driven. They don't understand the male, and they are scared to death of it. They leap from aggression to wife beating and don't see how that is reactionary.
A real man is a warrior who is willing to die for his country or his friends and family. There is no higher ideal that even a woman can achieve than this. It is considered an honor to die with courage. think about that for a second....now when we have this and all we hear is that we a re stupid, jocks, or that woman can reproduce and raise kids without our dumb selves, or pussies like footsteps say that woman are better.....well, it's upsetting to say the least.

as far as the overt sexuality, I agree with you there. It is pleasurable when a woman is confident and open minded. I have no problem with the number of partners either. My fiance has probably set a west coast record in her day.....but she is loyal to me and that is all I can ask for.

those girls in the ggw video tapes don't strike me that way. There definitely is a thing called a slut. It's not about numbers, it's about having nothing else to offer but a vagina, and having no self respect to be picky in just who you allow to enter it. having sex for attention is sad because for one it shows dysfunction, and two it means that you'll **** anything that buys you a drink and no man is willing to get closer to someone that does that because they will get hurt.

1. We are smarter today, but where the problem lies is when we think we can't learn anything else. We will always have more to learn. When we think we are invincible (either so strong or so smart doesn't matter) that is when our Achilles heal will bite us in the ass. Titanic good example of man's arrogance, thought it was indestructible, not so much.. However having said that we are capable of improving. In terms of strength for instance, jumps in technology were made capable by intellgent design and engineering both in terms of large military development and in personal things, like protein powders and muscle development for personal use (gyms, etc). Do you honestly think a caveman would survive now? We evolved slowly, but using both mental and physical capabilities to do so. Without that, we would've died a long time ago. Both mental and physical agility determine strength, not just one or the other. And yes when we depend too much on one or the other there is a problem. Too much analysis leads to lack of action which is necessary to progress, lack of forethought and simply taking action with no thought leads to tragedy and destruction too.

2. As for what you said about Footsteps, well that was just ****ed up. While I agree in principle that men who beat on women, abuse them sexually and emotionally makes them not a real person, much less a man. But to accuse someone you don't know of that defeats your argument and makes you look small. As for leaping from one thing to the abuse argument, the problem you dont' see is that is at least part of the reason feminism developed, to get us rights under law to become more than chattle, more then property and more then a god damn door prize to be conquered. As property, being beaten was not a crime. And frankly some ways that guys still talk about this kind of crap still indicates they don't see us as equals, much less humans worthy of decent treatment (I said SOME, not all). I don't think all guys are like that, I think to generalize demeans everyone. I am not every woman and you are not every man so I respect your right to your opinion and would die defending yoru right to hold, though I firmly disagree with you.

3. And I don't think Footsteps believes women are better then men, but I do gather he thinks we aren't treated as well as men. That women and men should be on a level field as human beings, with differences and similarities that when working together is an ideal situation, rather then working against each other. This is something that crosses not just gender lines, but race and religion as well. To see someone as a person, not as one thing or another, but a whole unit just as entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is what I have always understood feminism to be about.

4. And the girl's gone wild, I agree those are girls probably pretty insecure and craving attention and approval, kind of like Bobo actually. When you are secure in who you are, you don't have to do those things.

Anyway, enjoying the lively debate. Will just have to respectfully agree to disagree because I don't see us ever coming to agreement on this. It would help if you would stop using inflammatory remarks tied directly to genitals, I do find that disrespectful and indicative of a bias against females when you use pussy to indicate an insult, usually calling someone weak. It says you think women are weak, that's at least what I get from that analogy. It's much like calling something gay because you don't like it, that's no less a homophobic remark is it? Anyway, going to grab some ale at pub nearby (it's like 8pm over here in England).

Go Broncos!

OABB
05-25-2009, 12:17 PM
1. We are smarter today, but where the problem lies is when we think we can't learn anything else. We will always have more to learn. When we think we are invincible (either so strong or so smart doesn't matter) that is when our Achilles heal will bite us in the ass. Titanic good example of man's arrogance, thought it was indestructible, not so much.. However having said that we are capable of improving. In terms of strength for instance, jumps in technology were made capable by intellgent design and engineering both in terms of large military development and in personal things, like protein powders and muscle development for personal use (gyms, etc). Do you honestly think a caveman would survive now? We evolved slowly, but using both mental and physical capabilities to do so. Without that, we would've died a long time ago. Both mental and physical agility determine strength, not just one or the other. And yes when we depend too much on one or the other there is a problem. Too much analysis leads to lack of action which is necessary to progress, lack of forethought and simply taking action with no thought leads to tragedy and destruction too.

2. As for what you said about Footsteps, well that was just ****ed up. While I agree in principle that men who beat on women, abuse them sexually and emotionally makes them not a real person, much less a man. But to accuse someone you don't know of that defeats your argument and makes you look small. As for leaping from one thing to the abuse argument, the problem you dont' see is that is at least part of the reason feminism developed, to get us rights under law to become more than chattle, more then property and more then a god damn door prize to be conquered. As property, being beaten was not a crime. And frankly some ways that guys still talk about this kind of crap still indicates they don't see us as equals, much less humans worthy of decent treatment (I said SOME, not all). I don't think all guys are like that, I think to generalize demeans everyone. I am not every woman and you are not every man so I respect your right to your opinion and would die defending yoru right to hold, though I firmly disagree with you.

3. And I don't think Footsteps believes women are better then men, but I do gather he thinks we aren't treated as well as men. That women and men should be on a level field as human beings, with differences and similarities that when working together is an ideal situation, rather then working against each other. This is something that crosses not just gender lines, but race and religion as well. To see someone as a person, not as one thing or another, but a whole unit just as entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is what I have always understood feminism to be about.

4. And the girl's gone wild, I agree those are girls probably pretty insecure and craving attention and approval, kind of like Bobo actually. When you are secure in who you are, you don't have to do those things.

Anyway, enjoying the lively debate. Will just have to respectfully agree to disagree because I don't see us ever coming to agreement on this. It would help if you would stop using inflammatory remarks tied directly to genitals, I do find that disrespectful and indicative of a bias against females when you use p***Y to indicate an insult, usually calling someone weak. It says you think women are weak, that's at least what I get from that analogy. It's much like calling something gay because you don't like it, that's no less a homophobic remark is it? Anyway, going to grab some ale at pub nearby (it's like 8pm over here in England).

Go Broncos!


First off, thanks for your reply. I want to first address just exactly what I said to footsteps that was ****ed up? If you are referring to the word p***Y than I will start with that.

p***Y is not a term that I invented. WHile it's implications started with female genitals, I use it purely as another word for coward. Most people hear p***Y and think coward, they dont think vagina.

However, I agree with your point, so i won't use the word p***Y anymore because it does implicate that woman are weak.

so I will now affectionately refer to footsteps as a b****.


as far as caveman surviving, I think he would do just fine. Protein powders and fancy gyms don't change the animal. imo that falls under technology. Yes we understand the body better, and understand the stars a little better but that education is not evolution.

a Caveman could be put in a school from his birth and would understand everything perfectly well. The brain has not changed the way it learns.

how else do you explain unfrozen caveman lawyer?

also, I must bring to light this one fact....you and I don't disagree on anything other than evolution.

You are very bright and logical, but you can't seem to see that you are a tad reactionary. Otherwise we are on the same page and I am enjoying this.

the b**** thing was a joke btw...but calling a man a woman is an insult and that's because women are not as strong as us...so the insult works.

just like if you said a girl had man hands or is butch is an insult to them.


don't get so caught up over one word.

OABB
05-25-2009, 12:25 PM
That women and men should be on a level field as human beings, with differences and similarities that when working together is an ideal situation, rather then working against each other. This is something that crosses not just gender lines, but race and religion as well. To see someone as a person, not as one thing or another, but a whole unit just as entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is what I have always understood feminism to be about.
Go Broncos!


also what you are saying is not a feminist agenda. It's a human one. It's a civil rights one.

Feminism is about woman being equal. that is it. and now you are so have a party, celebrate and get to work!

and one last point...Human rights can not be achieved until all parties clear themselves of prejudice and reactionary agendas....

that especially includes you feminists....

That One Guy
05-25-2009, 12:36 PM
1. We are smarter today, but where the problem lies is when we think we can't learn anything else. We will always have more to learn. When we think we are invincible (either so strong or so smart doesn't matter) that is when our Achilles heal will bite us in the ass. Titanic good example of man's arrogance, thought it was indestructible, not so much.. However having said that we are capable of improving. In terms of strength for instance, jumps in technology were made capable by intellgent design and engineering both in terms of large military development and in personal things, like protein powders and muscle development for personal use (gyms, etc). Do you honestly think a caveman would survive now? We evolved slowly, but using both mental and physical capabilities to do so. Without that, we would've died a long time ago. Both mental and physical agility determine strength, not just one or the other. And yes when we depend too much on one or the other there is a problem. Too much analysis leads to lack of action which is necessary to progress, lack of forethought and simply taking action with no thought leads to tragedy and destruction too.

2. As for what you said about Footsteps, well that was just ****ed up. While I agree in principle that men who beat on women, abuse them sexually and emotionally makes them not a real person, much less a man. But to accuse someone you don't know of that defeats your argument and makes you look small. As for leaping from one thing to the abuse argument, the problem you dont' see is that is at least part of the reason feminism developed, to get us rights under law to become more than chattle, more then property and more then a god damn door prize to be conquered. As property, being beaten was not a crime. And frankly some ways that guys still talk about this kind of crap still indicates they don't see us as equals, much less humans worthy of decent treatment (I said SOME, not all). I don't think all guys are like that, I think to generalize demeans everyone. I am not every woman and you are not every man so I respect your right to your opinion and would die defending yoru right to hold, though I firmly disagree with you.

3. And I don't think Footsteps believes women are better then men, but I do gather he thinks we aren't treated as well as men. That women and men should be on a level field as human beings, with differences and similarities that when working together is an ideal situation, rather then working against each other. This is something that crosses not just gender lines, but race and religion as well. To see someone as a person, not as one thing or another, but a whole unit just as entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is what I have always understood feminism to be about.

4. And the girl's gone wild, I agree those are girls probably pretty insecure and craving attention and approval, kind of like Bobo actually. When you are secure in who you are, you don't have to do those things.

Anyway, enjoying the lively debate. Will just have to respectfully agree to disagree because I don't see us ever coming to agreement on this. It would help if you would stop using inflammatory remarks tied directly to genitals, I do find that disrespectful and indicative of a bias against females when you use p***Y to indicate an insult, usually calling someone weak. It says you think women are weak, that's at least what I get from that analogy. It's much like calling something gay because you don't like it, that's no less a homophobic remark is it? Anyway, going to grab some ale at pub nearby (it's like 8pm over here in England).

Go Broncos!

Women are treated just fine. There's more than one female CEO of a Fortune 500 company. Do you think she has something special that no other female can duplicate? Or do you think those companies decided to get a female for the sole intention of looking good to people judging their CEO selection? They picked the best available and the best available was probably a female.

Meanwhile, we have crap like the current Supreme Court nomination that builds resentment. If president Obama made it clear that he had no intention of nominating a female and was only looking at men, there'd be riots. Same with race. But since it's the minority, it's accepted.

Quit criminalizing being a white male and you'll get treated fairly. Quit reminding us at every occasion that you should be getting more than you currently get and we'll quit shooting back that you're probably getting your worth and you may just be worthless. You have more opportunities as anything but a white male than I have to advance yourself in this world. If you can't do it, look in a mirror and ask yourself why.

Cavemen could exist today just as well as they could however many years ago. The same devices would allow their survival today that made them the strongest species throughout history. We just today try to squash those natural tendecies that made us the strongest species and talk about how we're nothing like the animals in the wild. We're all animals at heart and if survival were ever on the line, we'd revert to being just that.

That One Guy
05-25-2009, 12:43 PM
also what you are saying is not a feminist agenda. It's a human one. It's a civil rights one.

Feminism is about woman being equal. that is it. and now you are so have a party, celebrate and get to work!

and one last point...Human rights can not be achieved until all parties clear themselves of prejudice and reactionary agendas....

that especially includes you feminists....


You speak many truths.

When two groups are equal and one still has advocacy programs in place, those programs begin to be seen as a tool to get ahead since equality has already been achieved. When Jesse Jackson was taking shots at Obama for Obama commenting on irresponsible men fathering babies, I think their true colors were shown. Advocate programs like those are just as one sided as any white racist group though the racist group probably advocates much more radical measures for implementation of their agenda.

Single minded advancement is the common agenda though and it never serves the greater good.

footstepsfrom#27
05-25-2009, 03:20 PM
I knew you slack jawed knuckle draggers weren't exactly swimming in the deep end of the gene pool for smarts but after witnessing this steaming pile I now realize you're about as pathetic a group as I've seen on here in one place in quite a while. Some of this is hillarious and utterly priceless. If you really want to know the truth though, I'm not interested in debating this issue with you morons for two reasons; 1) this is a holliday and believe it or not I actually have WAY better things to do, and 2) while I'll plug away on football with any dunce that comes along, I usually like debating an issue of actual consequence with people that I think are sharp enough to grasp at least some degreee of high level interaction, and frankly, none of you nitwits are terribly bright.

Case in point; the first post I contributed to this discussion was a specific statement that I was not interested in debating this and it was in response to Miss Independent who said that she thought the OP probably intended to seek a rise out of people with the subject. I agreed with her, and stated that for that reason I was not going to get sucked in, AND on top of that one could be sure that a ship of fools would be along shortly to display their stupidity with their own words, hence I obviously didn't need to stick around anyway.

Most people with an IQ north of room temperature would take that at face value, but not you idiots. Sure enough...you were right on time, stepping neatly into my prediction with an amazing load of pure horse**** you think are "facts" and orangeandbluefool even started traveling over into other threads to spew crap about this.

Classic. LOL Why not just hold a sign that says "kick me I'm stupid"?

Since when do you get to define who needs to post on what in here? I said from the start that I'm not interested, now you know why.

Almost anyone on this board whose been here a year or so knows that I have a rep in here of not only debating, but doing so with a great deal of rigor. Suggesting otherwise or that I'm afraid of the likes of you mental midgets makes you only look just as dumb as you sound. Even my haters...and I have quite a few in here...will agree that one thing you can't say is that I don't like to argue or that I turn tail and run rather than debate. Are you kidding? Everyone in here knows my handle is synonomous with extensively arguing my POV, often to the point of probably getting overly zealous.

I know you think all this has my attention...but in fact I just really don't give 2 ****s about what you think of me, my opinions on blacks, women, politics or anything else. And for the internet tough guy callng me a coward...any turd can make that statement from behind a keyboard...something you proved with distinction.

Now refer to post #24 for all further inquiries.

Archer81
05-25-2009, 03:21 PM
Hmm yes...indubitably...


:Broncos:

OABB
05-25-2009, 03:32 PM
I knew you slack jawed knuckle draggers weren't exactly swimming in the deep end of the gene pool for smarts but after witnessing this steaming pile I now realize you're about as pathetic a group as I've seen on here in one place in quite a while. Some of this is hillarious and utterly priceless. If you really want to know the truth though, I'm not interested in debating this issue with you morons for two reasons; 1) this is a holliday and believe it or not I actually have WAY better things to do, and 2) while I'll plug away on football with any dunce that comes along, I usually like debating an issue of actual consequence with people that I think are sharp enough to grasp at least some degreee of high level interaction, and frankly, none of you nitwits are terribly bright.

Case in point; the first post I contributed to this discussion was a specific statement that I was not interested in debating this and it was in response to Miss Independent who said that she thought the OP probably intended to seek a rise out of people with the subject. I agreed with her, and stated that for that reason I was not going to get sucked in, AND on top of that one could be sure that a ship of fools would be along shortly to display their stupidity with their own words, hence I obviously didn't need to stick around anyway.

Most people with an IQ north of room temperature would take that at face value, but not you idiots. Sure enough...you were right on time, stepping neatly into my prediction with an amazing load of pure horse**** you think are "facts" and orangeandbluefool even started traveling over into other threads to spew crap about this.

Classic. LOL Why not just hold a sign that says "kick me I'm stupid"?

Since when do you get to define who needs to post on what in here? I said from the start that I'm not interested, now you know why.

Almost anyone on this board whose been here a year or so knows that I have a rep in here of not only debating, but doing so with a great deal of rigor. Suggesting otherwise or that I'm afraid of the likes of you mental midgets makes you only look just as dumb as you sound. Even my haters...and I have quite a few in here...will agree that one thing you can't say is that I don't like to argue or that I turn tail and run rather than debate. Are you kidding? Everyone in here knows my handle is synonomous with extensively arguing my POV, often to the point of probably getting overly zealous.

I know you think all this has my attention...but in fact I just really don't give 2 ****s about what you think of me, my opinions on blacks, women, politics or anything else. And for the internet tough guy callng me a coward...any turd can make that statement from behind a keyboard...something you proved with distinction.

Now refer to post #24 for all further inquiries.

well now your reputation is that you are a p***Y.


indubitably...

Popps
05-25-2009, 03:34 PM
Women are treated just fine. .

:rofl:

Stop the presses. The genders are officially equal!

Are blacks treated "fine," too?

Let us know.... you being the authority.


Quit criminalizing being a white male and you'll get treated fairly. .

I know, it's tough being a white guy. I got pulled over and profiled the other night, just for having blue eyes.

Quit reminding us at every occasion that you should be getting more than you currently get and we'll quit shooting back that you're probably getting your worth and you may just be worthless. .

Speak for yourself there, sport. I have a good feeling most men don't opt into your "we" club.


Cavemen could exist today just as well as they could however many years ago. .

No they wouldn't. They'd be ****ed. Are you serious?


The same devices would allow their survival today that made them the strongest species throughout history..

Wow, dude. You think it is our strength that made us the "strongest" species throughout history?

Have you ever opened a science book?

Do you have any idea where humans rank in terms of physical prowess compared to the strongest of the animal kingdom?

Maybe there's another reason humans rose to the top of the food chain.

Hmmmm.....

We just today try to squash those natural tendecies that made us the strongest species.

Again, I'm not sure where you learned your science/biology, but we've never been the "strongest" species.

No one is trying to "squash" anything. Don't worry, there's still plenty of violence left in the world.

But, humanity is following a natural course of progression. You don't have to like it, but it's not going to change.

Spider
05-25-2009, 03:34 PM
As a man who is the father of 3 daughters , I want feminism , to get equal pay and treatment for them , and the first guy who beats on one of my precious girls , better pray to what ever god motivates him for help ......... My Girls are precious ......

Spider
05-25-2009, 03:39 PM
Women are treated just fine. There's more than one female CEO of a Fortune 500 company. Do you think she has something special that no other female can duplicate? Or do you think those companies decided to get a female for the sole intention of looking good to people judging their CEO selection? They picked the best available and the best available was probably a female.

Meanwhile, we have crap like the current Supreme Court nomination that builds resentment. If president Obama made it clear that he had no intention of nominating a female and was only looking at men, there'd be riots. Same with race. But since it's the minority, it's accepted.

Quit criminalizing being a white male and you'll get treated fairly. Quit reminding us at every occasion that you should be getting more than you currently get and we'll quit shooting back that you're probably getting your worth and you may just be worthless. You have more opportunities as anything but a white male than I have to advance yourself in this world. If you can't do it, look in a mirror and ask yourself why.

Cavemen could exist today just as well as they could however many years ago. The same devices would allow their survival today that made them the strongest species throughout history. We just today try to squash those natural tendecies that made us the strongest species and talk about how we're nothing like the animals in the wild. We're all animals at heart and if survival were ever on the line, we'd revert to being just that.

and in this world you live in would be where ?

Popps
05-25-2009, 03:39 PM
As a man who is the father of 3 daughters , I want feminism , to get equal pay and treatment for them , and the first guy who beats on one of my precious girls , better pray to what ever god motivates him for help ......... My Girls are precious ......

Father of daughter rep.

---

It's pretty funny reading through these posts. Most of these guys could save themselves a lot of time by just typing...

"...I'm afraid of women and blacks so I need to keep them down."

Popps
05-25-2009, 03:41 PM
and in this world you live in would be where ?

You know, we throw statements around like "that's the dumbest thing I've ever read" far too much around here. But....

Spider
05-25-2009, 03:41 PM
Father of daughter rep.

---

It's pretty funny reading through these posts. Most of these guys could save themselves a lot of time by just typing...

"...I'm afraid of women and blacks so I need to keep them down."
;D no **** ..........

Popps
05-25-2009, 03:44 PM
;D no **** ..........

The thing that kills me is you have these guys that are just intellectually crippled, but they listened to Rush Limbaugh last week so they suddenly feel the need to enlighten us on all things socioeconomic.

Spider
05-25-2009, 03:45 PM
You know, we throw statements around like "that's the dumbest thing I've ever read" far too much around here. But....

;D ...... I rode a bull ONCE , crawling on 2000 pounds of Muscle and hate ,put that whole man is the strongest argument in perspective ......... After that one ride I decided being a Bull Rider or being in a rodeo in general was not for me

Spider
05-25-2009, 03:47 PM
The thing that kills me is you have these guys that are just intellectually crippled, but they listened to Rush Limbaugh last week so they suddenly feel the need to enlighten us on all things socioeconomic.
;D chances are they havent been laid yet , so they dont understand everything a woman brings to the table yet ;D

SureShot
05-25-2009, 03:52 PM
Let me guess this thread is about Ghostbusters.

OABB
05-25-2009, 03:54 PM
Let me guess this thread is about Ghostbusters.

If only my whore mother didn't make me watch it when I was just an innocent toddler, I would probably love women unconditionally and be a model citizen!

Spider
05-25-2009, 03:57 PM
If only my whore mother didn't make me watch it when I was just an innocent toddler, I would probably love women unconditionally and be a model citizen!

Yeah you are pretty ****ed up .......

OABB
05-25-2009, 04:00 PM
Yeah you are pretty ****ed up .......

It was Ghostbusters and menthol cigarettes..

Archer81
05-25-2009, 04:01 PM
:rofl:

Stop the presses. The genders are officially equal!

Are blacks treated "fine," too?

Let us know.... you being the authority.



I know, it's tough being a white guy. I got pulled over and profiled the other night, just for having blue eyes.



Speak for yourself there, sport. I have a good feeling most men don't opt into your "we" club.



No they wouldn't. They'd be ****ed. Are you serious?



Wow, dude. You think it is our strength that made us the "strongest" species throughout history?

Have you ever opened a science book?

Do you have any idea where humans rank in terms of physical prowess compared to the strongest of the animal kingdom?

Maybe there's another reason humans rose to the top of the food chain.

Hmmmm.....



Again, I'm not sure where you learned your science/biology, but we've never been the "strongest" species.

No one is trying to "squash" anything. Don't worry, there's still plenty of violence left in the world.

But, humanity is following a natural course of progression. You don't have to like it, but it's not going to change.


Our ability to think and use tools is what gave us an edge against species that regularly tore lesser primates to pieces. Without out mental evolution, we wouldnt be here. Good post. :thumbs:

:Broncos:

OABB
05-25-2009, 04:04 PM
Our ability to think and use tools is what gave us an edge against species that regularly tore lesser primates to pieces. Without out mental evolution, we wouldnt be here. Good post. :thumbs:

:Broncos:

How many of us actually hung out with cavemen? anyone? anyone?

are we sure the human animal's ability to use tools isn't innate?

remember, evolution is still only a theory...

and this is coming from a jewish democrat in los angeles so spare me the generalizations.

Spider
05-25-2009, 04:05 PM
It was Ghostbusters and menthol cigarettes..
is there some kind of therapy to help ?

Spider
05-25-2009, 04:06 PM
How many of us actually hung out with cavemen? anyone? anyone?

are we sure the human animal's ability to use tools isn't innate?

remember, evolution is still only a theory...

and this is coming from a jewish democrat in los angeles so spare me the generalizations.

Alex Bennett is that you ?

OABB
05-25-2009, 04:08 PM
is there some kind of therapy to help ?

I need aliens to reengineer my dna...

or maybe a good throat punch?

OABB
05-25-2009, 04:10 PM
Alex Bennett is that you ?

no...too busy listening to Rush Limbaugh and hating blacks...

Spider
05-25-2009, 04:21 PM
I need aliens to reengineer my dna...

or maybe a good throat punch?

I would go with the DNA thing

no...too busy listening to Rush Limbaugh and hating blacks.. and feminist

That One Guy
05-26-2009, 10:46 AM
:rofl:

Stop the presses. The genders are officially equal!

Are blacks treated "fine," too?

Let us know.... you being the authority.



I know, it's tough being a white guy. I got pulled over and profiled the other night, just for having blue eyes.



Speak for yourself there, sport. I have a good feeling most men don't opt into your "we" club.



No they wouldn't. They'd be ****ed. Are you serious?



Wow, dude. You think it is our strength that made us the "strongest" species throughout history?

Have you ever opened a science book?

Do you have any idea where humans rank in terms of physical prowess compared to the strongest of the animal kingdom?

Maybe there's another reason humans rose to the top of the food chain.

Hmmmm.....



Again, I'm not sure where you learned your science/biology, but we've never been the "strongest" species.

No one is trying to "squash" anything. Don't worry, there's still plenty of violence left in the world.

But, humanity is following a natural course of progression. You don't have to like it, but it's not going to change.


Alright, I'll play.

Are blacks equal? Ask our president if he feels like he can't succeed. Stastically, blacks are way more likely to end up as drug dealers in prison than the CEO of a Fortune 500 company but the bar is set, they CAN do whatever they're willing to work for.

Don't think women are equal? It's now been 20 years since the first woman VP candidate came around. Women can be on the Supreme court, CEOs, DRs, whatever they want. Statistically your daughters are more likely to grow up and be whores showing their knockers on GGW but they CAN be whatever they're willing to work for.

Cavemen could exist just as they did before. They may not be able to create Windows in their first generation but they could find food and shelter to exist. To argue that they wouldn't be able to exist when humanity existed for thousands of years before any of us did... that's just stupidity.

By being the strongest species, I made a reference to our abilities to use whatever we have at our disposal. We're strongest because of numerous qualities but I guarantee you none of them center around the ability to discuss the philosophies of equality. I never said that humans made their way to the top by arm wrestling the other species.

sakuraba
05-26-2009, 05:21 PM
WTF, did I get to the party too late? Truly ridiculous. Women have as much opportunity as they like. They may have to work hard but men do as well. Too many p***ified men on her mouthing an agenda they were told rather than speaking from actual observation of the real world.

Popps
05-26-2009, 05:34 PM
Alright, I'll play.

Are blacks equal? Ask our president if he feels like he can't succeed. Stastically, blacks are way more likely to end up as drug dealers in prison than the CEO of a Fortune 500 company but the bar is set, they CAN do whatever they're willing to work for.

No one is arguing that opportunity exists. But, assuming it's 100% equal out there is just fantasy-land stuff.

Alright, I'll play.


Don't think women are equal? It's now been 20 years since the first woman VP candidate came around. Women can be on the Supreme court, CEOs, DRs, whatever they want. Statistically your daughters are more likely to grow up and be whores showing their knockers on GGW but they CAN be whatever they're willing to work for. .

Again, no one is arguing that opportunity exists in some form. To assume there is no prejudice in the workplace and that it doesn't influence hiring practices is just the peak of lunacy.


By being the strongest species, I made a reference to our abilities to use whatever we have at our disposal. We're strongest because of numerous qualities but I guarantee you none of them center around the ability to discuss the philosophies of equality. I never said that humans made their way to the top by arm wrestling the other species.

Well, your original thesis seemed to be that the white male's aggression was under attack, and hence the species was in danger. Now I'm confused, because you're saying that intellect is why we're where we are... which is obviously the case.

You began by referring to our natural tendencies of aggression being the key trait in our rise to the top of the food chain. A better argument could be made that the further we got away from caveman aggression, the more rapidly we moved atop the food chain.

sakuraba
05-26-2009, 05:35 PM
obviously footsteps in his attempt to assuage his wife has taken to receiving the affrontery of the strap-on for theraputive results. This in fact makes him a p***y.

sakuraba
05-26-2009, 05:37 PM
I find it interesting that people think that cavemen were aggressive. What exactly is this based on? What evidence?

OABB
05-26-2009, 05:48 PM
I find it interesting that people think that cavemen were aggressive. What exactly is this based on? What evidence?

I was wondering the same thing. People here sure know a lot about the cavemen and his ways. I find it interesting that there are so many experts on a football discussion board....

OABB
05-26-2009, 05:50 PM
obviously footsteps in his attempt to assuage his wife has taken to receiving the affrontery of the strap-on for theraputive results. This in fact makes him a p***y.

oh my god, that's funny...


I'm picturing an english accent, no?

sakuraba
05-26-2009, 05:52 PM
oh dear! I'm arriving! I'm arriving! (to be read in English accent)

footstepsfrom#27
05-26-2009, 06:38 PM
obviously footsteps in his attempt to assuage his wife has taken to receiving the affrontery of the strap-on for theraputive results. This in fact makes him a p***y.
Who are you? I thought I'd met all the retards in here already but I see I missed one.

sakuraba
05-26-2009, 07:35 PM
Who are you? I thought I'd met all the retards in here already but I see I missed one.

for someone who is not getting involved in "this discussion" you sure have spent a lot of time "not being involved" in this thread.

OABB
05-26-2009, 07:38 PM
for someone who is not getting involved in "this discussion" you sure have spent a lot of time "not being involved" in this thread.

see post #24 for an explanation.

That One Guy
05-27-2009, 07:47 AM
No one is arguing that opportunity exists. But, assuming it's 100% equal out there is just fantasy-land stuff.



Again, no one is arguing that opportunity exists in some form. To assume there is no prejudice in the workplace and that it doesn't influence hiring practices is just the peak of lunacy.



Well, your original thesis seemed to be that the white male's aggression was under attack, and hence the species was in danger. Now I'm confused, because you're saying that intellect is why we're where we are... which is obviously the case.

You began by referring to our natural tendencies of aggression being the key trait in our rise to the top of the food chain. A better argument could be made that the further we got away from caveman aggression, the more rapidly we moved atop the food chain.

So you're invoking the "yes they can succeed but it'll be hard for them" argument. Well, I haven't been offered a CEO position so it'll be hard for me too. Just because someone cries wolf more often than others doesn't mean he sees more wolves...

As for the supposed interpretation of what I said, here's my quote for a refresher:

Cavemen could exist today just as well as they could however many years ago. The same devices would allow their survival today that made them the strongest species throughout history. We just today try to squash those natural tendecies that made us the strongest species and talk about how we're nothing like the animals in the wild. We're all animals at heart and if survival were ever on the line, we'd revert to being just that.

Someone said cavemen couldn't exist today and I stated they could because they existed in history when the luxuries and conveniences we have today didn't exist. I made a reference to the devices that make humans the strongest species (or top of the food chain for those incapable of interpreting beyond face value) and those devices could include every quality inherent to humans. Obviously, having the capability of thought is one of those devices but advanced communication, the use of tools, etc are other devices that made us what we are.

If you twist what I said and try to put words in my mouth, you can make the discussion pointless and circular. If you interpret intent and think a bit, it makes sense.