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footstepsfrom#27
05-16-2009, 07:53 PM
Are you kidding me?

http://www.yahoo.com/s/1072708

footstepsfrom#27
05-16-2009, 08:11 PM
Two other Florida prisons zapped visiting kids with stun guns

By Meg Laughlin, Times Staff Writer
In Print: Wednesday, May 6, 2009

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/article998415.ece

Two more state prisons have acknowledged incidents in which guards zapped visiting children with handheld stun guns, bringing to three the number of facilities where the unapproved demonstration was used on "Take Our Daughters and Sons to Work Day."

On Friday, the Department of Corrections said that several kids visiting Franklin Correctional Institution in the Panhandle on April 24 were shocked by a guard who was demonstrating what corrections officers do at work. On Tuesday, the department revealed that children visiting Indian River Correctional Institution in Vero Beach and Martin Correctional Institution in Indiantown were also zapped with 50,000-volt electronic immobilization devices.

The devices used on the children, who are between the ages of 8 and 14, require bodily contact. Used on unruly inmates, the devices usually knock victims to the ground, cause a few minutes of disorientation and leave two small burn marks.

The daughter of the warden at Indian River was among the victims.

Frank Gonzalez, the owner of Self-Defense USA, a large stun gun company in San Diego, describes the 50,000-volt shock as "similar to grabbing a live wire in your house with a wet hand like a hard punch in the stomach with the added trauma of electricity running through your body."

The Department of Corrections did not release the number of children, or their conditions or names. But Matthew Foster, an attorney for one of the children who was injured at Franklin, said that more than six children were shocked at that facility.

His client, a 12-year-old girl, sustained abrasions and trauma when the powerful jolt knocked her to the ground, requiring a doctor's treatment, said Foster, who asked that neither the child nor her father be named. Her mother works at the prison and gave permission for the demonstration, according to Foster, but the father, who is separated from the mother, did not approve and has sued.

"These devices are designed for stopping dangerous prisoners and can cause injury or death," Foster said. "They are not for experimenting on children."

Upon hearing rumors that Franklin was not an isolated incident, George Sapp, deputy secretary of institutions for the Department of Corrections, began calling wardens around the state. His survey turned up two more similar incidents on the same day, said Gretl Plessinger, a corrections spokeswoman.

Ten employees five at Indian River, which incarcerates teenage males between 14 and 18, and five at Martin, which incarcerates adult males have been suspended while the incidents are investigated. At Franklin, a guard was fired last week.

Plessinger said it appeared the three incidents were "separate and unrelated," with no coordination or planning linking them. But the possibility will receive further scrutiny, she said.

"There are very clear rules about when, where and who these devices are to be used on, and all officers are clearly trained in this. So, we don't yet know how this could have happened at three facilities on the same day," Plessinger said.

The suspended employees at Martin and Indian River did not return phone calls from the Times.

State Rep. Julio Robaina, R-Miami, chairman of the House Council on Criminal and Civil Justice Policy, said he and other legislators will be watching to see what the Correction Department investigation determines.

"If we think the department is not thorough and is taking care of its own, we'll step in," Robaina said. "But first Walt McNeil (secretary of the Department of Corrections) deserves the chance to handle this internally."

The 10 suspended employees, who are on administrative leave with pay, received a letter telling them that when the investigation is completed they will either be notified of their return date or told not to come back to work.

SouthStndJunkie
05-16-2009, 08:45 PM
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Florida_Bronco
05-16-2009, 09:28 PM
Well that's not very smart.

cutthemdown
05-16-2009, 10:53 PM
What a stupid idea. Hey let's zap kids wth stun guns for a demonstration. What person in their right mind would think that is a good idea? The unbelievable stupidity of it is amazing.

SportinOne
05-16-2009, 11:03 PM
While it's a crazy idea, I don't like that they are trying to sensationalize this by saying 50,000 VOLTS like it is supposed to mean something. Current kills, not volts.

Inkana7
05-16-2009, 11:44 PM
Don't taze me, Bro.

cutthemdown
05-17-2009, 12:09 AM
While it's a crazy idea, I don't like that they are trying to sensationalize this by saying 50,000 VOLTS like it is supposed to mean something. Current kills, not volts.

So what would you rather be zapped with in volts, at the same current.

10 thousand volts
50 thousand volts

Or is it like you say the volts mean nothing because like you said you won't be dying.

footstepsfrom#27
05-17-2009, 12:12 AM
...I don't like that they are trying to sensationalize...
Trying to sensationalize? What are you talking about?

Popps
05-17-2009, 12:23 AM
I was tazed when I was 3 and turned out fine!

This is just feminist America pussifying our youth.

GreatBronco16
05-17-2009, 01:24 AM
I was tazed when I was 3 and turned out fine!

This is just feminist America pussifying our youth.

:rofl:

SportinOne
05-17-2009, 01:31 AM
So what would you rather be zapped with in volts, at the same current.

10 thousand volts
50 thousand volts

Or is it like you say the volts mean nothing because like you said you won't be dying.

As far as I remember, maybe someone can correct me, if the current is the same the voltage doesn't matter. Current is a function of voltage and resistance.

SportinOne
05-17-2009, 01:39 AM
Trying to sensationalize? What are you talking about?

What I meant was the fact that they are doing this is crazy. I never said what they were doing is okay. I'm just saying the number 50,000 stands out quite boldly and is quite misleading.

Oh, and I found a quick answer to the voltage question.. for clarity, amperage is a unit of current.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_lowest_amount_of_volts_that_can_kill_y ou

Glad that I didn't forget EVERYTHING that I learned in electrical school.

GreatBronco16
05-17-2009, 01:46 AM
As far as I remember, maybe someone can correct me, if the current is the same the voltage doesn't matter. Current is a function of voltage and resistance.

The amount of current depends on the amount of voltage available, and also the amount of resistance.

To me it was usually, if voltage increases, then current increases. The amount of current will depend on how much and if any resistance is there.

Not sure though.

cutthemdown
05-17-2009, 02:48 AM
My buddy is an electrician and he said that more voltage will for sure be more power, and therefore more effective at shutting down the nervous system.

So you would feel a big difference as voltage increased.

Voltage is the amount of energy
Current is the rate at which it flows

so even a small amount of energy, but with high amps(current), could kill you. WHile tons of volts, but low amps, would not kill you.

But if current stayed the same, and voltage went up, that would be more energy, at same flow rate, but would for sure make the device more painful.

watermock
05-17-2009, 03:01 AM
You idiots don't understand it's a simple measure to increase the voltage.

Only push a magnitude on it and it's lethal.

Morons.

watermock
05-17-2009, 03:05 AM
But if current stayed the same, and voltage went up, that would be more energy, at same flow rate, but would for sure make the device more painful.

RU sure? Are an expert on cardio electro shock?

Brunt force is more easily estimated. Electrical discharge is more difficult.

Your a fool.

Depending on several factors, there is NO standard measurement to detemine a potentioal cardiac arrest due to electroshock.

Now to mention it's given as an alternative suppression weapon. Only need to increase the amps.

BroncoMan4ever
05-17-2009, 03:29 AM
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SportinOne
05-17-2009, 04:17 AM
RU sure? Are an expert on cardio electro shock?

Brunt force is more easily estimated. Electrical discharge is more difficult.

Your a fool.

Depending on several factors, there is NO standard measurement to detemine a potentioal cardiac arrest due to electroshock.

Now to mention it's given as an alternative suppression weapon. Only need to increase the amps.

Back to form, i like it.

But yeah, there are a lot of variables.

Inkana7
05-17-2009, 08:05 AM
I was tazed when I was 3 and turned out fine!

This is just feminist America pussifying our youth.

What's next? Showing kids Ghostbusters?

Popps
05-17-2009, 09:16 AM
What's next? Showing kids Ghostbusters?

... while tazing them....

footstepsfrom#27
05-17-2009, 02:52 PM
What I meant was the fact that they are doing this is crazy. I never said what they were doing is okay. I'm just saying the number 50,000 stands out quite boldly and is quite misleading.

Oh, and I found a quick answer to the voltage question.. for clarity, amperage is a unit of current.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_lowest_amount_of_volts_that_can_kill_y ou

Glad that I didn't forget EVERYTHING that I learned in electrical school.
Given that people have actually died from these devices it would seem the story was already sensational on its merrits.

Bronx33
05-17-2009, 03:00 PM
What's next? Showing kids Ghostbusters?


Now that just crossed the line mister!

Bronx33
05-17-2009, 03:02 PM
You idiots don't understand it's a simple measure to increase the voltage.

Only push a magnitude on it and it's lethal.

Morons.



You don't understand it's simple to start a post without calling everybody an idiot mock ( are you following me?) or do i need to get out a chalk board and draw pictures?

loborugger
05-17-2009, 06:18 PM
Wonderful.

loborugger
05-17-2009, 06:19 PM
My buddy is an electrician and he said that more voltage will for sure be more power, and therefore more effective at shutting down the nervous system.

So you would feel a big difference as voltage increased.

Voltage is the amount of energy
Current is the rate at which it flows

so even a small amount of energy, but with high amps(current), could kill you. WHile tons of volts, but low amps, would not kill you.

But if current stayed the same, and voltage went up, that would be more energy, at same flow rate, but would for sure make the device more painful.

That is what I have learned in my days passed working on Electricity. Amps is what kills you. But in the end, a crap load of electrical current is still a crap load of electrical current and should be avoid. Not used on kids just cuz.

BroncosinDC
05-17-2009, 06:33 PM
I'm pretty sure if I was 12 and someone offered to taze me I'd be all about it. Just to see what it's like. I'm also pretty sure I would get tazed now just for the hell of it so I could call people who whine about it pussies. But that's just me.

Getting sprayed in the face with OC (aka pepper spray), specifically oil based OC I would not volunteer for. In fact I would much rather be tazed than sprayed with OC.

And yes it was dumb of them to do it, and anyone who tazed a kid for demonstration should be fired. Just saying its not like a taser is the most dangerous thing in the world, nor does it hurt for an hour like OC, then when you take a shower, that has to be cold because heat makes it burn more, after standing in snow for 3 hours in a sweatshirt, it doesn't wash on to your testicles...so while you are standing in a cold shower shivering with your nuts on fire like you just banged a hooker in Siagon.

footstepsfrom#27
05-17-2009, 06:46 PM
I'm pretty sure if I was 12 and someone offered to taze me I'd be all about it. Just to see what it's like. I'm also pretty sure I would get tazed now just for the hell of it so I could call people who whine about it pussies. But that's just me.

Getting sprayed in the face with OC (aka pepper spray), specifically oil based OC I would not volunteer for. In fact I would much rather be tazed than sprayed with OC.

And yes it was dumb of them to do it, and anyone who tazed a kid for demonstration should be fired. Just saying its not like a taser is the most dangerous thing in the world, nor does it hurt for an hour like OC, then when you take a shower, that has to be cold because heat makes it burn more, after standing in snow for 3 hours in a sweatshirt, it doesn't wash on to your testicles...so while you are standing in a cold shower shivering with your nuts on fire like you just banged a hooker in Siagon.
You went to public school huh?

CHANGSTER
05-17-2009, 07:00 PM
Florida is fun!

Popps
05-17-2009, 09:18 PM
Florida is fun!

Seriously.

Anyone remember the Loveline Corolla/Dr. Drew bit called "Germany or Florida?"

They'd pick the most ****ed up, macabre news story and the caller would have to try to guess if it took place in Germany or Florida. Pretty damned funny.

TailgateNut
05-18-2009, 06:36 AM
You don't understand it's simple to start a post without calling everybody an idiot mock ( are you following me?) or do i need to get out a chalk board and draw pictures?

The chalk board and pictures would'nt help one iota.

rugbythug
05-18-2009, 06:48 AM
Can I sue my dad for not telling me he had hooked up the electric Fence?

http://www.farmsupplystore.com/Home/Wrangler-110-Volt-Charger;jsessionid=0a01074e1f43c6b0f503b3804e9182c 6d79d1897af28.e3eTaxeKbh0Te34Pa38Ta38Obhj0

Not sure how many volts But it took my breath away.