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JCMElway
05-15-2009, 09:08 AM
Well, here they are. Should the Broncs sign any of them?

Offense


QB: Brett Favre – America’s favorite vagabond passer continues his mid-life crisis. Other options: Rex Grossman, and J.P. Losman.
RB: Edgerrin James – His once-great burst is gone, but he’s still workmanlike. Other options: Warrick Dunn, Deuce McAllister, and Rudi Johnson.
FB: Cecil Sapp – Better athlete than most fullbacks, but still nothing special.
TE: Ben Troupe – Best from a mediocre offering. Other options: Mark Campbell, and Dan Campbell.
No. 1 WR: Plaxico Burress – Legal issues are holding him up, but he’ll play.
No. 2 WR: Amani Toomer – Only 16 months ago, Toomer and Burress helped win a Super Bowl. Other options: Marvin Harrison, Drew Bennett, and Joe Jurevicius.
LT: Levi Jones – Injuries curtailed a nice career, but he’s still only 29.
LG: Mark Tauscher – He’s a tackle, but could easily switch inside.
C: Jeremy Newberry – His knees are bad, but they have been forever.
RG: Pete Kendall – Smart, tough, but a lot of mileage.
RT: Jon Runyan – Biggest if of an iffy group. His knee still isn’t healthy. Other O-line options: Fred Miller, Jonas Jennings, Wayne Gandy, Melvin Fowler and Jason Whittle.


Defense


DE: Kalimba Edwards – He’s 29 and banged up, but still has some pass-rush skill.
DE: Ebenezer Ekuban – Pretty nice pass rusher still out there on the market.
DT: Kevin Carter – Amazing longevity, productivity and versatility.
DT: Ellis Wyms – Has his limitations, but is a very tough player.Other D-line options: Dewayne Robertson, John Engelberger and La’Roi Glover.
LB: Morlon Greenwood – At 30, he’s one of the youngest starters.
LB: Pisa Tinoisamoa – A tackle machine, but he better play in a two-gap system.
LB: Derrick Brooks – Still can bring great leadership to a young defense. Other options: Napoleon Harris, Paris Lenon, Antwan Peek and Nate Webster.
CB: Chris McAlister – Coming off injury and has lost speed, but still very physical.
CB: Ty Law – Perennial late-signee can still make a couple of plays if the offense isn’t careful. Other options: Jason Craft, Dre Bly, Deltha O’Neal, and Roderick Hood.
SS: Lawyer Milloy – Years of physical play have taken their toll, but he’s really smart.
FS: Dexter Jackson – Has lost a step, but who on this team hasn’t? Other safety options: Mike Brown, Michael Boulware, Kevin Kaesviharn and Will Demps.

SonOfLe-loLang
05-15-2009, 09:09 AM
How about that Engleberger guy? I hear he has a great motor.

Crushaholic
05-15-2009, 09:14 AM
We let Ekuban go? He was one of the bright spots on a lousy D-line...

rugbythug
05-15-2009, 09:18 AM
We let Ekuban go? He was one of the bright spots on a lousy D-line...

he was a free agent

Mogulseeker
05-15-2009, 09:24 AM
Mark Tauscher = underrated.

Otherwise, nothing special... we should bring back Deltha.

bowtown
05-15-2009, 09:27 AM
I think we should bring in Edge, Warrick Dunn, Deuce McAllister, and Rudi Johnson.

We need RB depth... badly.

azbroncfan
05-15-2009, 10:31 AM
Mark Tauscher = underrated.

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He would be good depth to bring in. Kevin Carter and Vonnie Holliday could be bandaid DE's for a year. Is Holliday still available?

eddie mac
05-15-2009, 11:08 AM
It just goes to show how **** our defense was last year when 8 players who started games remain unemployed.

Ekuban
Robertson
Engelberger
Winborn
Webster
Bly
Manuel
McCree

Maybe Slowik wasn't too bad afterall. Not many coaches can turn **** into gold.

Br0nc0Buster
05-15-2009, 11:13 AM
It just goes to show how **** our defense was last year when 8 players who started games remain unemployed.

Ekuban
Robertson
Engelberger
Winborn
Webster
Bly
Manuel
McCree

Maybe Slowik wasn't too bad afterall. Not many coaches can turn **** into gold.

please dont kid yourself, dont forget the 15 yard cushions on 3rd and short

Slowik was bad, but it was the perfect storm of bad coaching mixed with horrid talent

eddie mac
05-15-2009, 12:13 PM
please dont kid yourself, dont forget the 15 yard cushions on 3rd and short

Slowik was bad, but it was the perfect storm of bad coaching mixed with horrid talent

I actually remember during last season that Slowik and Shanahan were both questionned about that and they blamed the cushion on the skillset or lack of it at defensive back.

dbfan21
05-15-2009, 01:09 PM
Mark Tauscher = underrated.

Otherwise, nothing special... we should bring back Deltha.

Yes, but Tauscher had knee surgey and he in't going to be ready until Octber, maybe later....whcih is why the Packers didn't sign him.

cutthemdown
05-15-2009, 01:11 PM
It just goes to show how **** our defense was last year when 8 players who started games remain unemployed.

Ekuban
Robertson
Engelberger
Winborn
Webster
Bly
Manuel
McCree

Maybe Slowik wasn't too bad afterall. Not many coaches can turn **** into gold.


Slowik had guys in position to make plays many times and the player just whiffed.

summerdenver
05-15-2009, 01:11 PM
Mark Tauscher = underrated.


+1. Tauscher when healthy can start for most teams.

cutthemdown
05-15-2009, 01:13 PM
I actually remember during last season that Slowik and Shanahan were both questionned about that and they blamed the cushion on the skillset or lack of it at defensive back.

The safety's were so bad I think they felt if they didn't play with a cushion teams would get 3-4 long bombs on them every game. The safety's were that bad. They had no business even being on a team let alone starting.

I doubt any of the former Broncos defensive players get new gigs in the NFL. They were that bad.

Gcver2ver3
05-15-2009, 01:14 PM
Well, here they are. Should the Broncs sign any of them?

Offense


QB: Brett Favre – America’s favorite vagabond passer continues his mid-life crisis. Other options: Rex Grossman, and J.P. Losman.
RB: Edgerrin James – His once-great burst is gone, but he’s still workmanlike. Other options: Warrick Dunn, Deuce McAllister, and Rudi Johnson.
FB: Cecil Sapp – Better athlete than most fullbacks, but still nothing special.
TE: Ben Troupe – Best from a mediocre offering. Other options: Mark Campbell, and Dan Campbell.
No. 1 WR: Plaxico Burress – Legal issues are holding him up, but he’ll play.
No. 2 WR: Amani Toomer – Only 16 months ago, Toomer and Burress helped win a Super Bowl. Other options: Marvin Harrison, Drew Bennett, and Joe Jurevicius.
LT: Levi Jones – Injuries curtailed a nice career, but he’s still only 29.
LG: Mark Tauscher – He’s a tackle, but could easily switch inside.
C: Jeremy Newberry – His knees are bad, but they have been forever.
RG: Pete Kendall – Smart, tough, but a lot of mileage.
RT: Jon Runyan – Biggest if of an iffy group. His knee still isn’t healthy. Other O-line options: Fred Miller, Jonas Jennings, Wayne Gandy, Melvin Fowler and Jason Whittle.


Defense


DE: Kalimba Edwards – He’s 29 and banged up, but still has some pass-rush skill.
DE: Ebenezer Ekuban – Pretty nice pass rusher still out there on the market.
DT: Kevin Carter – Amazing longevity, productivity and versatility.
DT: Ellis Wyms – Has his limitations, but is a very tough player.Other D-line options: Dewayne Robertson, John Engelberger and La’Roi Glover.
LB: Morlon Greenwood – At 30, he’s one of the youngest starters.
LB: Pisa Tinoisamoa – A tackle machine, but he better play in a two-gap system.
LB: Derrick Brooks – Still can bring great leadership to a young defense. Other options: Napoleon Harris, Paris Lenon, Antwan Peek and Nate Webster.
CB: Chris McAlister – Coming off injury and has lost speed, but still very physical.
CB: Ty Law – Perennial late-signee can still make a couple of plays if the offense isn’t careful. Other options: Jason Craft, Dre Bly, Deltha O’Neal, and Roderick Hood.
SS: Lawyer Milloy – Years of physical play have taken their toll, but he’s really smart.
FS: Dexter Jackson – Has lost a step, but who on this team hasn’t? Other safety options: Mike Brown, Michael Boulware, Kevin Kaesviharn and Will Demps.

the only FA left i'd like to see us sign, you left off the list...

Vonnie Holliday...

broncosteven
05-15-2009, 01:47 PM
We need to start thinking about 1st cuts, not picking up more dead weight.

This team is as good as it is going to get personel wise this year.

Maybe start a thread on who will be FA in 2010?

Hotrod
05-15-2009, 02:12 PM
It just goes to show how **** our defense was last year when 8 players who started games remain unemployed.

Ekuban
Robertson
Engelberger
Winborn
Webster
Bly
Manuel
McCree

Maybe Slowik wasn't too bad afterall. Not many coaches can turn **** into gold.

Speaking of Gold what is he doing these days making subs???

BroncoLifer
05-15-2009, 02:12 PM
I doubt any of the former Broncos defensive players get new gigs in the NFL. They were that bad.

Bly will end up with a contract somewhere IF he's willing to work for less.

rugbythug
05-15-2009, 02:15 PM
It just goes to show how **** our defense was last year when 8 players who started games remain unemployed.

Ekuban
Robertson
Engelberger
Winborn
Webster
Bly
Manuel
McCree

Maybe Slowik wasn't too bad afterall. Not many coaches can turn **** into gold.

He was on the staff that brought in all those guys.

Drek
05-15-2009, 03:01 PM
the only FA left i'd like to see us sign, you left off the list...

Vonnie Holliday...

Pretty much. He came in for a visit but his asking price is currently too high. When it comes down we should have a shot at him.

broncosteven
05-15-2009, 03:08 PM
Speaking of Gold what is he doing these days making subs???

Isn't he playing the midget parts in porno's?

BroncoBuff
05-15-2009, 04:49 PM
Kalimba Edwards, Kevin Carter and Ebenezer are all worth a look.

We are still weak along the D-Line.

Br0nc0Buster
05-15-2009, 05:12 PM
I actually remember during last season that Slowik and Shanahan were both questionned about that and they blamed the cushion on the skillset or lack of it at defensive back.

I get the safeties were horrible, but there is no excuse playing ten yards off on 3rd and short.
Plus there was no point in starting John Engleberger
Both EE and ever Kenny Peterson would of done a much better job

cutthemdown
05-15-2009, 05:33 PM
I get the safeties were horrible, but there is no excuse playing ten yards off on 3rd and short.
Plus there was no point in starting John Engleberger
Both EE and ever Kenny Peterson would of done a much better job

I remember several times when it was 3-5 CB playing off, quick throw, CB or Dback comes up, can make tackle for a 4 yrd gain, but missed tackle first down.

Then I watched Steelers CB play off 7 yrds or so just like Broncos in playoffs and execute well, makes those tackles, no first downs.

If you watch you will see most teams play off the WR. There isn't as much bump and run as you think.

Teams want to limit the big plays and makes teams earn every yrs. They kiey though is tackling. You have to tackle well and IMO Slowik just got stick with 4-5 players on his defense that absolutely stunk and were not even NFL bkup quality anymore. He tried everything but Broncos defenders just kept missing tackles, not shedding blocks, getting pushed around, everything.

cutthemdown
05-15-2009, 05:35 PM
Bly will end up with a contract somewhere IF he's willing to work for less.

Yeah Bly will catch on I should have said that. Ekuban if healthy may get a bkup spot, but when you don't play special teams maybe not.

I would be really surprised though to see any of the Broncos defenders let go, outside of BLY, actually start on a team.

Br0nc0Buster
05-15-2009, 05:56 PM
I remember several times when it was 3-5 CB playing off, quick throw, CB or Dback comes up, can make tackle for a 4 yrd gain, but missed tackle first down.

Then I watched Steelers CB play off 7 yrds or so just like Broncos in playoffs and execute well, makes those tackles, no first downs.

If you watch you will see most teams play off the WR. There isn't as much bump and run as you think.

Teams want to limit the big plays and makes teams earn every yrs. They kiey though is tackling. You have to tackle well and IMO Slowik just got stick with 4-5 players on his defense that absolutely stunk and were not even NFL bkup quality anymore. He tried everything but Broncos defenders just kept missing tackles, not shedding blocks, getting pushed around, everything.

yes and we still gave up tons and tons of big plays.
He tried to play it safe and not give up the big play, and still got burned
He didnt blitz, didnt try to get creative like the Steelers do
Sat back in some soft zone and let teams pick us apart 8 yards at a time, or 30 yard passes off play action

If you are gonna give up points, at least try to force a turnover once in a while.

Also do you not remember how teams would get mismatches with their top WR against our nickel or 4th corner
Jack Williams got burned against Dwayne Bowe, but wtf was he guarding Bowe to begin with?

Slowik had a poor scheme to go along with the abysmal talent

eddie mac
05-15-2009, 07:06 PM
He was on the staff that brought in all those guys.

Since when do Defensive Co-Ordinators or even position coaches get blamed for **** FA acquisitions???

Everyone of those turds tenures in Orange and Blue we're down to Shanahan and him alone.

I'd love to see Bobby Turner get blamed this year if Buckhalter, Jordan and Arrington tank it.

BTW I'm not saying Slowik is a good coach. I'm stating a fact that much like Bates before him he had absolutely nothing to work with and that was Mike's fault.

elsid13
05-15-2009, 07:31 PM
Since when do Defensive Co-Ordinators or even position coaches get blamed for **** FA acquisitions???

Everyone of those turds tenures in Orange and Blue we're down to Shanahan and him alone.

I'd love to see Bobby Turner get blamed this year if Buckhalter, Jordan and Arrington tank it.

BTW I'm not saying Slowik is a good coach. I'm stating a fact that much like Bates before him he had absolutely nothing to work with and that was Mike's fault.

Yes Shanahan gave his approval, but the DC and the position coach had a say in who was brought in. It been well established that Shanahan trusted what his staff told him and acted on what they recommended. In fact sometimes I think he trusted them to much.