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I guess he is not going to push for pictures to be released, that would mean more dead American soldiers, and add to the flames of radical folks who already hate our guts (and I'm just talking the ACLU.)
When Obama gets it right, I will try to give him kudos...
Rohirrim
05-13-2009, 07:03 PM
I guess he is not going to push for pictures to be released, that would mean more dead American soldiers, and add to the flames of radical folks who already hate our guts (and I'm just talking the ACLU.)
When Obama gets it right, I will try to give him kudos...
That's real white of you.
watermock
05-13-2009, 09:11 PM
Retoric is fine till you see reality.
Stupid moron still thinks he's running with Acorn.
Retoric is fine till you see reality.
Stupid moron still thinks he's running with Acorn.
Isn't he?
Here is an orgnization that is being indicted left in several states (by Dem attorney generals in most cases) -- Nevada comes to mind, and yet there is no need for Congress to push for an investigation?
Acorn, does bring Dem votes, but corruption and voter fraud is not good for the country. I just wish there could be a way to clean these things up on both sides, nothng short of our Republic is at stake.
TailgateNut
05-14-2009, 11:10 AM
Retoric is fine till you see reality.
Stupid moron still thinks he's running with Acorn.
Go eat a Peanut Butter sandwich, you ass!
rastaman
05-14-2009, 12:40 PM
I guess he is not going to push for pictures to be released, that would mean more dead American soldiers, and add to the flames of radical folks who already hate our guts (and I'm just talking the ACLU.)
When Obama gets it right, I will try to give him kudos...
Obama has listened to the commanders in the field. This isn't to say to say heads will roll, or careers won't end for those implicated in the involvement of torture. The American public knows laws were broken when torture was sanctioned and approved by the Bush Juanta....so showing more pictures changes nothing.
What is also tragically abundantly clear, once torture was demanded and encouraged by the Bush Admin. back in 2004, it made the Arabs-Middle Eastern incensed and pissed off and served as a recruiting tool to fight and kill American soldiers! The insurgents and Alqueda fought harder and were less inclined to "Surrender".....this meant they were more determined to become human suicide bombs and fight to their last breath so long as they killed as many of our service members as possible. In their mind set...America tortures "we may as well go down fighting" versus risking torture should we fall into U.S. hands!!!
So you see how torture back fired!
Smiling Assassin27
05-14-2009, 12:48 PM
It might not make much difference, really. If the Supreme Court upholds the lower court that ruled the photos have to be released, it's moot. When the Justices see how he initially withdrew the appeal and then went with it, they will likely put his head in the smasher--in a legal sense, of course.
Smiling Assassin27
05-14-2009, 01:04 PM
Obama has listened to the commanders in the field. This isn't to say to say heads will roll, or careers won't end for those implicated in the involvement of torture. The American public knows laws were broken when torture was sanctioned and approved by the Bush Juanta....so showing more pictures changes nothing.
What is also tragically abundantly clear, once torture was demanded and encouraged by the Bush Admin. back in 2004, it made the Arabs-Middle Eastern incensed and pissed off and served as a recruiting tool to fight and kill American soldiers! The insurgents and Alqueda fought harder and were less inclined to "Surrender".....this meant they were more determined to become human suicide bombs and fight to their last breath so long as they killed as many of our service members as possible. In their mind set...America tortures "we may as well go down fighting" versus risking torture should we fall into U.S. hands!!!
So you see how torture back fired!
Torture had no such effect. AQ is going to go down fighting no matter what the circumstance because that's what their mission is. An organization that has beheaded journalists and executed prisoners is not influenced by whether their operatives are tortured by their enemies or not, and they know that they have not moral ground on the torture issue to stand on.
The release of photos, on the other hand, becomes a HUGE marketing tool. I don't know about you, but simply hearing that Africans are dying of starvation has much less impact than actually seeing the stages of emaciation and death. These photos should not be released and neither should any of the torture memos been released. Those memos can be just as inflammatory and as good a recruiting tool as the photos, IMO. This reversal by Obama seems kinda inconsistent and leads me to believe he's politically motivated, not security motivated.
frerottenextelway
05-14-2009, 02:35 PM
It might not make much difference, really. If the Supreme Court upholds the lower court that ruled the photos have to be released, it's moot. When the Justices see how he initially withdrew the appeal and then went with it, they will likely put his head in the smasher--in a legal sense, of course.
It's a PR move. Obama and his advisors are plenty smart enough to know there is no legal standing to keep them from being released, so they will be released - it will just be at the SC hands and not his.
It's a PR move. Obama and his advisors are plenty smart enough to know there is no legal standing to keep them from being released, so they will be released - it will just be at the SC hands and not his.
Hope your wrong, for the simple reason, that some Americans could die from their release...
Folks in the Middle East seem to get riled up over cartoons (to the level of killing for 8 folks) over it, so as those troops who committed the crimes have already been punished, I'm not sure if I want the ACLU to kill Americans, to satisfy their own self-loathing.
As far as I'm concerned the ACLU are damn near terrorists, and pervert the law and use ideological violence -- instead of strapping bombs to themselves in public places, they identify with and protect everything that is evil in the world, and fight against those that would give up their lives to protect their "right" to speak. For the ACLU, like some radical liberals -- the ONLY THING that is evil, is the person or group, who believes that evil can exsist. They love the child molester, protect the rights of terrorists to kill, cause harm to the troops, all for what? Transparency? I guess they believe the government took down the towers as well, and that if we proved to the throat slitters our adoration of them & that we hated ourselves as much as they hate us, that they in their justice, and kindness, would give up their ways, let us fornicate, and become good card-carrying members of the ACLU?
BroncoBuff
05-16-2009, 01:13 AM
Isn't he?
Here is an orgnization that is being indicted left in several states (by Dem attorney generals in most cases) -- Nevada comes to mind, and yet there is no need for Congress to push for an investigation?
Acorn, does bring Dem votes, but corruption and voter fraud is not good for the country. I just wish there could be a way to clean these things up on both sides, nothng short of our Republic is at stake.
Right wing voter groups are FAR more guilty of these type of crimes.
There's a group in San Bernardino CA that was just convicted of massive voter irregularities in California and Arizona. Far worse than Acorn.
frerottenextelway
05-16-2009, 08:37 AM
Hope your wrong, for the simple reason, that some Americans could die from their release...
Folks in the Middle East seem to get riled up over cartoons (to the level of killing for 8 folks) over it, so as those troops who committed the crimes have already been punished, I'm not sure if I want the ACLU to kill Americans, to satisfy their own self-loathing.
As far as I'm concerned the ACLU are damn near terrorists, and pervert the law and use ideological violence -- instead of strapping bombs to themselves in public places, they identify with and protect everything that is evil in the world, and fight against those that would give up their lives to protect their "right" to speak. For the ACLU, like some radical liberals -- the ONLY THING that is evil, is the person or group, who believes that evil can exsist. They love the child molester, protect the rights of terrorists to kill, cause harm to the troops, all for what? Transparency? I guess they believe the government took down the towers as well, and that if we proved to the throat slitters our adoration of them & that we hated ourselves as much as they hate us, that they in their justice, and kindness, would give up their ways, let us fornicate, and become good card-carrying members of the ACLU?
America has a duty to do what is moral and legal, not to just do what is convenient. It's one of the things that seperates us from them.
barryr
05-16-2009, 12:41 PM
Idiots on the left really think things like this somehow makes the terrorists stand back and say "well you know what, they are better than us when it comes to morality, so maybe we better stop the killing." Like this does anything to to impress terrorists and stop terrorism. Like I said, IDIOTS!
Right wing voter groups are FAR more guilty of these type of crimes.
There's a group in San Bernardino CA that was just convicted of massive voter irregularities in California and Arizona. Far worse than Acorn.
As they are guilty, I hope they pay. But dont get caught in the 3rd grade trap -- "hey, but what you guys did, was much worse!" -- like that some how justifies our own bad behavior? The percentage of evil committed by our own club needs to be rooted out, not caculated away, by comparison when it comes to voting, dont you see? Cooruption needs to be rooted out in voting -- even if it means you will lose the election. The only thing that matters is getting the voting process down, and corruption out, again, its not about clubs, its about our Nation, which cant survive, if people cant trust the process of having an impact on changing it. People like me need to be willing to crush to powder any R who cheats an American out of their vote, and a far left person needs to see that in those states where Acorn is committing voter fraud, they need to held to actual standards of law. I hope that we can agree on integrity, too many times R's and D's turn a blind eye to it, when it serves their party -- BUT IT NEVER SERVES OUR COUNTRY! that's bigger!
America has a duty to do what is moral and legal, not to just do what is convenient. It's one of the things that seperates us from them.
I hear you, but I do not see equal application of law from the ACLU -- they only attack us, and those with more traditional values (or at least 98% of the time.)
Regarding torture, I'm not a legal buff, so I wont pretend to be one, but when I guy breaks into my home, and threatens my family, I will attempt to take him out -- if a crime is commited by me (according to the ACLU) in that process I will man up, and go to jail, as I know that my right to protect myself -- doesnt come from the ACLU, or any judge -- it comes from the God they dont believe in, and who they despise. I wont go looking for a fight, but I have, and our nation has the right to exsist.
Likewise, if it takes torture (I mean real torture, not waterboarding) to get information, that prevented planes being used again then I would be ok with it. Nations that are unwilling to do such things, disapear. On the other hand, the tactics used in Gitmo, for perverse fun, were deemed a crime, and those who did them should pay the price.