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Natedogg
05-11-2009, 09:41 PM
http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1113383/index.htm

For a guy whose cellphone rings to Metallica (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/Metallica/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm)'s Enter Sandman, Chris Andersen (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/Chris_Andersen/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm) doesn't do much sleeping. On most days he's up at 4:45 a.m., taking his monstrous cane corso for a walk in the Rocky Mountain foothills that frame his new home in Larkspur, Colo. (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/Colorado/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm) By 6:00 Andersen (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/Chris_Andersen/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm) has usually pretzeled his 6'10" frame into his truck and headed for a gym on Denver (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/Denver/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm)'s south side, where he sweats through a headband festooned, pointedly, with the NBA (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/National_Basketball_Association/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm) logo.
After that, he has oceans of time at his disposal. When the NBA (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/National_Basketball_Association/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm) season begins in two weeks, Andersen (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/Chris_Andersen/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm), once a hyperkinetic forward and defensive stopper for the New Orleans Hornets, will be nine months removed from his dismissal from the league, having run afoul of its one-strike-and-you're-out policy with respect to "drugs of abuse"--including amphetamines, cocaine, opiates and PCP. His case can be reviewed, though, and Andersen (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/Chris_Andersen/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm) can apply for reinstatement on Jan. 27, 2008, a date he anticipates the way a prisoner does his day of release. (The conditions for reinstatement are vague, but he'll have to demonstrate that he's clean and that his life is in order.) "I have a one-track mind right now," Andersen (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/Chris_Andersen/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm), 28, said last week in a soft voice flavored with a Texas (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/Texas/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm) drawl. "Getting back to the NBA (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/National_Basketball_Association/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm), for me it's like getting back home."
Andersen (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/Chris_Andersen/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm) has led an unusual life. After his mother gave up custody of him (she was working three jobs and pulling down $15,000 a year) and his father, an artist, left town to tour with his work, Andersen (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/Chris_Andersen/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm) spent his early teenage years at a Dallas (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/Dallas/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm)-area orphanage. Lightly regarded at his tiny high school in Iola, Texas (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/Texas/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm), he played a year and a half of junior college ball before heading to the Chinese Basketball Association--"He had more energy than anyone," recalls Yao Ming (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/Yao_Ming/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm), who opposed Andersen (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/Chris_Andersen/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm)--and then embarked on an odyssey of basketball backwaters. When he caught on with the Denver Nuggets (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/Denver_Nuggets/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm) in 2001, his raw skills were offset by his athleticism and energy. "He played cowboy basketball," says Clyde Drexler (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/Clyde_Drexler/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm), who, as a Denver (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/Denver/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm) assistant, turned the Nuggets on to him.
Andersen (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/Chris_Andersen/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm)'s self-deprecating can-y'all-believe-I'm-here? disposition was on full display at the 2005 dunk contest when he memorably required eight attempts to convert a dunk. In five NBA (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/National_Basketball_Association/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm) seasons he never averaged more than 7.7 points, but the melding of his Everyman sensibilities and his penchant for creative dunks--spawning his nickname, Birdman--made him a cult hero. "He connected with fans," says former teammate P.J. Brown (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/P_J_Brown/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm). "People that never met him considered him a friend."
But in the summer of 2005, the Birdman's wings got clipped. He and his girlfriend split. He and his mother stopped speaking. His New Orleans (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/New_Orleans_Hornets/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm) home was ravaged by Katrina. The Hornets relocated to Oklahoma City (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/New_Orleans_Hornets/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm), and Andersen (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/Chris_Andersen/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm) arrived 20 pounds overweight, bulk that caused shin splints and blunted his energy. He doesn't use this as an excuse--he knows he still had it better than most people--yet lonely, displaced, injured and underperforming, Andersen (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/Chris_Andersen/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm) became a fixture in Oklahoma City's watering holes. Soon he moved beyond alcohol. He won't reveal which drug was in his system, but, as he puts it, "Let's just say all that [excess] weight went away."
With one sensationally bad choice (his most serious offense till then had been being late for practice), Andersen (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/Chris_Andersen/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm) lost his job and the roughly $12 million left on his contract. Yet when he learned of his positive test, he felt like anything but a man condemned. "I was torn up emotionally, but I realized it was time to make a drastic change," he says, his voice catching. "I could've ended up killing myself."
Andersen (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/Chris_Andersen/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm) had always been a rare Birdman, a first-team oddnik who covered his body in tattoos, changed hairstyles weekly and once cracked a tooth on his tongue piercing. But he was never more eccentric than when he tested positive. The strategy in sports is deny, deny, deny--no matter how preposterous the explanation. Blame the tainted energy shakes or mishandled samples or a vanished twin or flaxseed oil. Andersen (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/Chris_Andersen/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm) took the singular step of owning up to his mistake. Even when he went before an arbitrator, Andersen (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/Chris_Andersen/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm) stuck to his talking points: "I did it. I messed up."
He'd be well within his rights to question why he's been banned while others--say, Stephen Jackson, the Pacers' guard and co-star in the Auburn Hills (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/Auburn_Hills/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm) brawl, who last week was charged with firing a gun into the air outside a strip club--are playing. And is it fair that an NBA (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/National_Basketball_Association/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm) player could fail four tests for steroids before facing banishment? Andersen (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/Chris_Andersen/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm) has no interest in going there. "The rules are the rules," he says. "Certain drugs are in certain categories for a reason."
After the arbitrator upheld the suspension last March, Andersen (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/Chris_Andersen/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm) moved to Denver (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/topic/article/Denver/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm), spent four weeks in rehab and says he's been clean for months. When he's not working out, he's reading about real estate investments and learning new chords on his guitar. "Honestly, the worst thing that could have happened to me is turning out to be the best thing," he says. "I'm back in charge of my life, brother."

Tombstone RJ
05-11-2009, 09:45 PM
http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1113383/index.htm

Gotta be mari-jah-whannna. The birdman do fly high...

Natedogg
05-11-2009, 09:46 PM
Gotta be mari-jah-whannna. The birdman do fly high...

No. not. you get four chances for pot (and steroids) before you are suspended from NBA. According to the CBA, it has to be one of the five mentioned above to get booted on your first failed test.

CSU Husker
05-11-2009, 09:48 PM
Doesnt really matter. It was something nasty, he has had a rough road and obviously had some demons that go along with it. Kudos to him for overcoming and getting back in the league.

Natedogg
05-11-2009, 09:49 PM
Doesnt really matter. It was something nasty, he has had a rough road and obviously had some demons that go along with it. Kudos to him for overcoming and getting back in the league.

No doubt. Love the guy. Also love how he didn't deny doing drugs.

tsiguy96
05-11-2009, 09:50 PM
cocaine and meth make you drop weight very, very fast...

Tombstone RJ
05-11-2009, 09:51 PM
No. not. you get four chances for pot (and steroids) before you are suspended from NBA. According to the CBA, it has to be one of the five mentioned above to get booted on your first failed test.

Maybe it was really, really good weed and he refused to share it. If you don't have enough for everyone, then you risk the chance of being ostracized...

CSU Husker
05-11-2009, 09:51 PM
No doubt. Love the guy. Also love how he didn't deny doing drugs.

EXACTLY. Love this part of the article....


The strategy in sports is deny, deny, deny--no matter how preposterous the explanation. Blame the tainted energy shakes or mishandled samples or a vanished twin or flaxseed oil. Andersen took the singular step of owning up to his mistake. Even when he went before an arbitrator, Andersen stuck to his talking points: "I did it. I messed up."



We just saw it with Manny this week, feeding us a giant line of BS. Love the fact that Bird was man enough to admit it and not use some lame ass excuse.

Natedogg
05-11-2009, 09:53 PM
cocaine and meth make you drop weight very, very fast...

I figure its one of the two. But Coke is hard to detect (only stays in your system for 2 to 3 days). Meth stays in 3 to 6.

SouthStndJunkie
05-11-2009, 09:53 PM
If I had to guess....I would say meth.

Tombstone RJ
05-11-2009, 09:54 PM
Where's the choice for "All of the above"?

Natedogg
05-11-2009, 09:54 PM
Gotta be mari-jah-whannna. The birdman do fly high...

Maybe a snowcap. :peace:

Mogulseeker
05-12-2009, 06:39 AM
The league is THAT hard on cocaine?

I've never tried it, but I see plenty of people do it (college kids, not Navy guys)... maybe it's because crack and cocaine show up the same on a drug test???

Natedogg
05-12-2009, 07:34 AM
The league is THAT hard on cocaine?

I've never tried it, but I see plenty of people do it (college kids, not Navy guys)... maybe it's because crack and cocaine show up the same on a drug test???

Yeah. I find it interesting that you can shoot a gun, beat your wife, or do steroids and have a much lower punishment than doing a "hard drug."

tsiguy96
05-12-2009, 07:47 AM
Yeah. I find it interesting that you can shoot a gun, beat your wife, or do steroids and have a much lower punishment than doing a "hard drug."

since when are steroids worse than cocaine or meth?

Natedogg
05-12-2009, 07:58 AM
since when are steroids worse than cocaine or meth?

Don't know, but they have more of a "cheating" aspect. They also are very (as?) unhealthy.

Mogulseeker
05-12-2009, 09:28 AM
Just knowing the people I know who do coke... it doesn't seem like all that bad a drug. Everyone I know who does coke are actually very functional... of course, they're all independently wealthy (don't work) and the pretty much just go to school full time and party on the weekends.

SoonerBronco
05-12-2009, 10:35 AM
It was cocaine. It happened while he was in OKC for the Hornets stayover here.

azbroncfan
05-12-2009, 12:25 PM
He probably did whatever he could get his hands on. Probably did em all at one point or another.

cutthemdown
05-12-2009, 01:24 PM
No. not. you get four chances for pot (and steroids) before you are suspended from NBA. According to the CBA, it has to be one of the five mentioned above to get booted on your first failed test.

What about MDMA (xtasy)

Natedogg
05-12-2009, 01:51 PM
What about MDMA (xtasy)

Good question. My guess is that it's classified as an amphetamine (meaning one chance). But not too sure. Guess there is a chance that its not tested for at all (mushrooms appear not to be).

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma.shtml

Reminds me of a talk I had with a drug counselor once. He was a pretty straight laced guy but really surprised me one time when he said that he believed drug tests favored the dishonest (or something to that extent). His point was that they were fairly easy to cheat, so honest people get screwed. His other point was that its hard to catch cocaine (in system 3 days) users but easy to catch marijuana users (up to 60 days) making the tests "inequitable."

Don't really have a point. Just sayin.

Natedogg
05-12-2009, 01:52 PM
It was cocaine. It happened while he was in OKC for the Hornets stayover here.

Where did you read this? It would be interesting to see.

BroncoBuff
05-12-2009, 02:04 PM
What about MDMA (xtasy)

Good question .... I know that a large portion of MDMA is methamphetamine.

The base suspension used to make MDMA is often a legal methamphetamine drug called Desoxyn.

Natedogg
05-12-2009, 02:08 PM
Good question .... I know that a large portion of MDMA is methamphetamine.

The base suspension used to make MDMA is often a legal methamphetamine drug called Desoxyn.

Nice avatar Buff. Hilarious!

Punisher
05-12-2009, 07:51 PM
It was PCP aka Angeldust

azbroncfan
05-12-2009, 08:00 PM
It was PCP aka Angeldust

I didn't think anyone did that stuff anymore.

bombay
05-12-2009, 08:13 PM
Heard meth on the light rail.

SoonerBronco
05-12-2009, 11:26 PM
Where did you read this? It would be interesting to see.

Sorry my friend, it was reported by our local sports radio WWLS.

TDmvp
05-13-2009, 12:03 AM
Time once again , For your friend And mine ...


...



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Please welcome back , without further ado .

A Ton of Weed .

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UberBroncoMan
05-13-2009, 04:48 AM
Little info.

In "Slang"

Bird = Cocaine

and

Birdman = Guy who Deals Cocaine (think of Travis Henry)

Thus "Birdman" is a homonym in that it means "he's the dude who's dealing the coke" and "he's the dude who does high flying dunks and flaps his bird wing tattooed arm like a bird"

... and now you know the rest of the story.

Chris
05-13-2009, 12:21 PM
Just knowing the people I know who do coke... it doesn't seem like all that bad a drug. Everyone I know who does coke are actually very functional... of course, they're all independently wealthy (don't work) and the pretty much just go to school full time and party on the weekends.


That's because you can't detect what it does to your nervous system (and your overall ability to feel 'happy') until it's too late. Coke will ruin your life.

TheManeMan
05-18-2009, 04:12 PM
It was Heroin. Spoke to a friend of mine last night, who knew Chris Andersen's agent before his suspension. He confirmed that was the drug.

Natedogg
05-18-2009, 06:35 PM
It was Heroin. Spoke to a friend of mine last night, who knew Chris Andersen's agent before his suspension. He confirmed that was the drug.

Damn. Must be hard to ball on tar.

cutthemdown
05-18-2009, 06:54 PM
Good question .... I know that a large portion of MDMA is methamphetamine.

The base suspension used to make MDMA is often a legal methamphetamine drug called Desoxyn.

OK I have partied a bit, and know some people who really party. There thing is going to Hollywood, going dancing, and taking MDMA (xtasy). They claim only bad extasy has meth in it. They say because know one can get the ingredients needed for real MDMA they have to substitute other things, meth being something they add.

So my question is does the original formula for MDMA contain meth?

cutthemdown
05-18-2009, 06:59 PM
Damn. Must be hard to ball on tar.

you might be surprised once a person is used to it and controls there dosage. It could feel a lot like being on a few vicodens.

Not sure if a guy could still play, I would think not too well, but more like something he would do after the game, then fall aspeep, then practice, come home do it again. Believe it or not some people really do function of coke, Heroin etc.

You would think anyone you work with that has bad drug problem would stick out, but that's not the case really. Some people have strongers wills, stronger minds and bodies and handle it by not doing it before or during work. They are like part time addicts. They are the toughest ones to reach, the ones who hit rock bottom in 3 months are easier because they lose everything.

I know some people who can party all weekend, then shut it down, go work the week, then do it again.

I bet a lot of pro athletes the same way.

Natedogg
05-18-2009, 07:34 PM
you might be surprised once a person is used to it and controls there dosage. It could feel a lot like being on a few vicodens.

Not sure if a guy could still play, I would think not too well, but more like something he would do after the game, then fall aspeep, then practice, come home do it again. Believe it or not some people really do function of coke, Heroin etc.

You would think anyone you work with that has bad drug problem would stick out, but that's not the case really. Some people have strongers wills, stronger minds and bodies and handle it by not doing it before or during work. They are like part time addicts. They are the toughest ones to reach, the ones who hit rock bottom in 3 months are easier because they lose everything.

I know some people who can party all weekend, then shut it down, go work the week, then do it again.

I bet a lot of pro athletes the same way.

Maybe he was smacked up at the dunk contest.

;D

Natedogg
05-26-2009, 10:27 AM
Q: Do you want to tell us what drug you used?

A: No.

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theAPAOps5
05-26-2009, 10:31 AM
False positive from use of perfomance enhancing hair gel!

All joking aside I love rooting for this guy because he has come back from some serious issues. I just hope he stays that way. You never know what triggers could cause a tail spin.

BroncoBuff
05-26-2009, 10:33 AM
So my question is does the original formula for MDMA contain meth?

Good question, I don't know ... but I've always heard that.

azbroncfan
05-26-2009, 12:11 PM
Although I'm not a Nugget fan I live The Birdman's game. Plays hard and doesn't talk sh#t or complain even when he is hacked hard which is rare anymore.

Smiling Assassin27
05-26-2009, 12:13 PM
A potent mixture of Vagisil and Milk of Magnesia.

watermock
05-26-2009, 12:56 PM
Crack is very hard to get off of until you run out of money.

watermock
05-26-2009, 01:00 PM
It was Heroin. Spoke to a friend of mine last night, who knew Chris Andersen's agent before his suspension. He confirmed that was the drug.


That's what our buddy's brother is up to in Afgahnistan. Hazzim or something...the presidents brother is the boss of opium.

As much as crack is mentaly addictive, heroin is physically.