Cheney back Limbaugh over Powell

[gunns]

Cheney backs Limbaugh over Powell

updated 12:10 p.m. MT, Sun., May 10, 2009
WASHINGTON - Dick Cheney made clear Sunday he'd rather follow firebrand broadcaster Rush Limbaugh than former Joint Chiefs chairman Colin Powell into political battle over the future of the Republican Party.

Even as Cheney embraced efforts to expand the party by ex-Govs. Jeb Bush of Florida and Mitt Romney of Massachusetts and the House's No. 2 Republican, Virginia Rep. Eric Cantor, the former vice president appeared to write his one-time colleague Powell out of the GOP.

Asked about recent verbal broadsides between Limbaugh and Powell, Cheney said, "If I had to choose in terms of being a Republican, I'd go with Rush Limbaugh. My take on it was Colin had already left the party. I didn't know he was still a Republican."

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[Rohirrim]

It's so sad to watch the Republican party rip itself apart. Really a tear jerker. ;D

[Florida_Bronco]

I have alot of respect for Colin Powell. It's a shame he let the Repubs take advantage of him.

If Powell wants to come across the aisle, I'll be one of the first to welcome him with open arms.

[Odysseus]

The two biggest mistakes that Bush made were Cheney and Rumsfield.

These two have a long history together and fathered most of the mistakes that are now attributed to Bush. Bush could have created a much stronger legacy if he had supported Powell over Rumsfield but he refused.

[spdirty]

"If I had to choose in terms of being a Republican, I'd go with Rush Limbaugh. My take on it was Colin had already left the party. I didn't know he was still a Republican."



Powell frickin endorsed Obama. Why the hell wouldnt Cheney say that? And why the hell is this even news? Uggh, fine, you people can use this to jerk each other off some more, as this great country sinks further down the toilet, whatever.

[Odysseus]

"If I had to choose in terms of being a Republican, I'd go with Rush Limbaugh. My take on it was Colin had already left the party. I didn't know he was still a Republican."



Powell frickin endorsed Obama. Why the hell wouldnt Cheney say that? And why the hell is this even news? Uggh, fine, you people can use this to jerk each other off some more, as this great country sinks further down the toilet, whatever.

Cheney needs to get out of public eye and let the Republican party actually get back on the rails. The greatness of this nation is not it's ability to stay the same but it's ability to change, grow and mature.

[mhgaffney]

From the moment Cheney said "Deficits don't matter any more..."

one would think the Repubs would have lost all faith in Cheney.

Not to mention the fact he is a war criminal.

[Rigs11]

hmm..I wonder what cheney and limbaugh think of all those repubs that voted for obama? i guess they should all become dems too, right Dick and Fatboy?

[elsid13]

Cheney has hated Powell since his day as SECDEF. He always felt that Powell got to much credit for first Gulf War.

[mhgaffney]

The two biggest mistakes that Bush made were Cheney and Rumsfield.

These two have a long history together and fathered most of the mistakes that are now attributed to Bush. Bush could have created a much stronger legacy if he had supported Powell over Rumsfield but he refused.

Baloney.

You are incredibly naive.

Check out the new book FAMILY OF SECRETS about the Bush crtime family. I was shocked to learn that the Bush family's connections to the CIA go all the way back to the founding of the agency in 1948.

I won't say more until I've read the book.

MHG

[mhgaffney]

Colin Powell was the officer who covered up the Mai Lai massacre back at the time of the Viet Nam War.

You clowns who regard him as some kind of a hero -- are out to lunch.

Powell has always been a loyal slave to power -- and far too ambitious to deserve respect.

MHG

[gunns]

Colin Powell was the officer who covered up the Mai Lai massacre back at the time of the Viet Nam War.

You clowns who regard him as some kind of a hero -- are out to lunch.

Powell has always been a loyal slave to power -- and far too ambitious to deserve respect.

MHG

I love the fact we put a gun in the hands of our young men (and now women), send them to a war and tell them to kill the enemy, when they kill the "wrong enemy", it's a massacre. Men, women and children were all the enemy in the Vietnam war. And don't tell me about them covering the bodies up with lime and that proves them guilty. Those guys felt guilty about everyone they killed to an extent, the guys in Mai Lai knew how it would be viewed. That was their punishment or reward, however you want to look at it, for fighting in that war, the baggage they came home with. Unless you were in a horrific war like Vietnam you don't have the right to judge them.

I don't consider Powell a hero, I do consider him a little smarter than the rest of the Bush-Cheney brood in figuring out he was being used and got out. I do respect him for looking out for his men. And I'd take him over a pill popping hypocrite who is more about being right than for the best for America.

[Odysseus]

Baloney.

You are incredibly naive.

Check out the new book FAMILY OF SECRETS about the Bush crtime family. I was shocked to learn that the Bush family's connections to the CIA go all the way back to the founding of the agency in 1948.

I won't say more until I've read the book.

MHG

Bush family connections are long, deep and dark. Nobody is debating that. If you want to debate the past feel free. The floor is yours. I love historical perspectives but I was talking about problems going forward.

What we should be talking about why nobody is posting anything about Senator Baucus hijacking on Health Care reform. We are getting sold out at a very high level and all we want to do is name call in the backroom of a sports forum? Anybody paying attention to what is going on right now?

My point is regarding Bush cabinet appointments. Bush was a good man in Texas but the RNC got their hooks in him and Bush blew it. Cheney wanted to be President and knew the RNC would never back him so he hijacked GWB in order to get what he wanted. Rumsfield is why we ended up in Iraq, cannot get out of Afghanistan, and essentially have all of our efforts militarily divided globally. It is going to take YEARS to fix all that mess. How much money have we spent on this war? Where do you think that money comes from?

I have met Powell. He is a good soldier. You should look at ALL his military accomplishments over 35 years instead of the hack job the Republicans did on this dedicated soldier. War is messy, violent and often cruel. War is not supposed to be nice. Is should be the business of concluding a problem quickly. This era of war without end is psychotic. Powell wanted to get in and then get out of Iraq. Rumsfield is the one who turned this war into a meat grinding financial nightmare. Cheney and Rumsfield have been together for years. Why Rumsfield always gets a pass is beyond me.

[Traveler]

From the moment Cheney said "Deficits don't matter any more..."

one would think the Repubs would have lost all faith in Cheney.

Not to mention the fact he is a war criminal.

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[Rigs11]

I love the fact we put a gun in the hands of our young men (and now women), send them to a war and tell them to kill the enemy, when they kill the "wrong enemy", it's a massacre. Men, women and children were all the enemy in the Vietnam war. And don't tell me about them covering the bodies up with lime and that proves them guilty. Those guys felt guilty about everyone they killed to an extent, the guys in Mai Lai knew how it would be viewed. That was their punishment or reward, however you want to look at it, for fighting in that war, the baggage they came home with. Unless you were in a horrific war like Vietnam you don't have the right to judge them.

I don't consider Powell a hero, I do consider him a little smarter than the rest of the Bush-Cheney brood in figuring out he was being used and got out. I do respect him for looking out for his men. And I'd take him over a pill popping hypocrite who is more about being right than for the best for America.BS.There are rules in the military for a reason.If there weren't the military would be no better than merceneraries.And there were innocent civilians killed in vietnam and in iraq.Nothing right about it.

[mhgaffney]

You might remember that Sergeant (or was it Lieutenant) Calley was one of the few brought to justice after the Mai Lai massacre.

And yes it was a massacre -- women and children killed in a wanton slaughter -- by crazed US soldiers.

But the point is the higher ups were (and are) never held responsible for the war itself. Viet Nam was a criminal war. Nixon and Kissinger proceeded with a secret plan to win the war -- how? By carpet bombing Laos and Cambodia -- a policy they kept secret from the US public for three years.

During this period we dropped more tonnage on Cambodia -- a third world country -- than all the US bombs dropped in WW II.

The carpet bombing with B52s killed an estimated 900,000 Cambodians -- almost all of them civilians -- simple farmers -- and no one knows how many in Laos. The US CIA also helped overthrow the neutral leader of Cambodia, Prince Sihanouk. This, along with the bombing, plunged that nation into a nightmare of self destruction -- the Pol Pot killing fields -- during which another estimated 1-2 million died.

But it was Nixon and Kissinger who ultimately were responsible for Pol Pot coming to power. It would never have happened if our CIA had not overthrown Sihanouk -- nor without the US bombing.

In 1971 -- a US military attorney who had been on the US legal team at the Nuremburg trials of the Nazis after WW II - stated that if the principles used at Nuremburg to try the Nazis were applied to the Viet Nam War -- that US politicisn and generals would go to the gallows for their crimes.

Yet, Kissinger is still a free man -- still walks the streets like you and me. (OF course, there are countries where Kissinger does not travel -- for fear of being arrested.)

It is wrong to hold a few foot soldiers accountable for a policy that was set in motion by generals and politicians.

Because we did not set an example after Viet Nam -- by hilding our leaders accountable --w e were doomed to repeat history in Iraq. Witness the torture and the many US atrocities -- ongoing in Afghanistan.

Until the American people demand accountability --- at the highest level -- we will never restore our Counstitution and our democracy.

MHG

[Odysseus]

BS.There are rules in the military for a reason.If there weren't the military would be no better than merceneraries.And there were innocent civilians killed in vietnam and in iraq.Nothing right about it.

The rules of engagement are VERY restrictive and require training as well as as the right temperament. Our soldiers are actually hamstrung from really doing their jobs.

War SHOULD BE a very ugly and brutal business. Get in. Get out. Right now we spend so much time being nice that we spend more time worrying about what to do than getting things done. That is why in Afghanistan we have a Special Ops General replacing a capable Conventional warfare General.

[Rigs11]

The rules of engagement are VERY restrictive and require training as well as as the right temperament. Our soldiers are actually hamstrung from really doing their jobs.

War SHOULD BE a very ugly and brutal business. Get in. Get out. Right now we spend so much time being nice that we spend more time worrying about what to do than getting things done. That is why in Afghanistan we have a Special Ops General replacing a capable Conventional warfare General.

they are restrictive for a reason. Americans always pride themselve on being the greatest country on earth right?Well this comes with standards, it is what seperates us from the "terrorists".When we start ignoring these rules we become just like the enemy we are trying to destroy.

[NaptownChief]

Powell proved what he was all about...skin color over beliefs. He deserves nothing from Cheney or anyone else in the Republican party.

When the Republican party was stepping up and giving powerful jobs to people of color like him and Condi the Democratic party just gives lip service. So be it. He can endorse Obama and his socialist agenda all he wants. Ten years from now everyone will be laughing at him and all that supported this joke.

[Rohirrim]

Powell proved what he was all about...skin color over beliefs. He deserves nothing from Cheney or anyone else in the Republican party.

When the Republican party was stepping up and giving powerful jobs to people of color like him and Condi the Democratic party just gives lip service. So be it. He can endorse Obama and his socialist agenda all he wants. Ten years from now everyone will be laughing at him and all that supported this joke.

You're right. It was so magnanimous of the Republicans to help out the colored folk like Powell and Condeleza. I can't believe Powell would turn on whitey like that. I guess it just goes to show, eh? Maybe it was some kind of deep, psychological reaction on Powell's part? He knew he didn't earn the position he was given and so he resented whitey for lifting him above his station. Powerful insight, Nap.

[NaptownChief]

You're right. It was so magnanimous of the Republicans to help out the colored folk like Powell and Condeleza. I can't believe Powell would turn on whitey like that. I guess it just goes to show, eh? Maybe it was some kind of deep, psychological reaction on Powell's part? He knew he didn't earn the position he was given and so he resented whitey for lifting him above his station. Powerful insight, Nap.



Unlike Clinton who proclaimed himself the "first black President" while not even considering anyone of color for a position of high level importance, mean evil folks like GWB actually hand out jobs regardless of skin color and lip service.

[mhgaffney]

Well, the Stanford alumni are now calling for a university investigation of Condy Rice's involvement in war crimes during her tenure with GW Bush.

I would broaden THAT to a new 9/11 probe.

[barryr]

This country is maturing? Um yeah, really sounded like mature reasons people gave for why they supported Obama for President. "He'll be the first black president, he looks nice in a suit, he gives good speeches, he'll pay off my mortgage and car payments, he'll get me a job,..etc." And what policies of his do you support? "Um, ah, well, Bush is stupid." Yep, we're on the road to maturity.

[Rigs11]

This country is maturing? Um yeah, really sounded like mature reasons people gave for why they supported Obama for President. "He'll be the first black president, he looks nice in a suit, he gives good speeches, he'll pay off my mortgage and car payments, he'll get me a job,..etc." And what policies of his do you support? "Um, ah, well, Bush is stupid." Yep, we're on the road to maturity.

Still don't get it do you?Do you simpletons have somes sort of retardness?the repubs had their chance the last 8 years, they majorly facked up the country. people are sick of your shet, your fear tactics,your party is in disarray.Why is this so hard to understand?

[Rigs11]

Powell proved what he was all about...skin color over beliefs. He deserves nothing from Cheney or anyone else in the Republican party.

When the Republican party was stepping up and giving powerful jobs to people of color like him and Condi the Democratic party just gives lip service. So be it. He can endorse Obama and his socialist agenda all he wants. Ten years from now everyone will be laughing at him and all that supported this joke.theres's the limbaugh copout argument. I bet you think that all the white people that voted for obama felt bad for black people huh? Pathetic really.

[Odysseus]

Unlike Clinton who proclaimed himself the "first black President" while not even considering anyone of color for a position of high level importance, mean evil folks like GWB actually hand out jobs regardless of skin color and lip service.

You could not be more full of crap. Clinton never claimed that. He joked about it because that is what black people sad about him. Black people embraced the Clintons because unlike GWB he actually tried to do right. He at least listened. He at least took time to learn what the problems were. He was a little heavy handed but that seems to be the norm in politics these days.

Name one black appointee that any Republican has listed anywhere that was not politically motivated? In Politics? Dude. That is kind of a stupid hard sell.

[Odysseus]

Well, the Stanford alumni are now calling for a university investigation of Condy Rice's involvement in war crimes during her tenure with GW Bush.

I would broaden THAT to a new 9/11 probe.

You really need to consider taking medication. How can you mix these completely two separate issues? Widen what? Your theory about politics? The biggest problem is limiting scope so that we actually get something accomplished. Do you know anything about how politics really works?

[24champ]

Powell is a Democrat far as I am concerned. This guy has done nothing for the conservative cause, never ran as a republican and conservative so I could care less what this guy thinks should happen or not with the Republicans. He had a liberal/moderate Republican in John McCain to endorse, a candidate that Moderates and liberal republicans liked and the Republicans got shellacked on that platform. This is the same McCain that thought about pulling a Specter and switching to the Democrats. The liberal republicans in the Northeast got kicked out of office, and then as mentioned before you have Arlen Specter political career is gasping for air.

Being a liberal republican is not going to win you elections, nobody knows the difference between a Republican and Democrat anymore.

[Needa Pass Rush]

It's amusing that Powell would be recently ranting that the Republican party has shifted too far to the right..... yet he leaves his moderate "good friend" standing at the altar to endorse the most radically left candidate this country has ever considered. He has lost all credibility.