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SpiritGuy
05-10-2009, 10:51 AM
It's a new era at offensive tackle. As the longtime dominators —Walter Jones and Orlando Pace — begin the inevitable slide because of age and injury, the young guys are stepping up and standing out. Ryan Clady, new Eagle Jason Peters, Joe Thomas and Michael Roos are blind-side protectors you'll be hearing much about the next few years. Although the young transformation is at hand, our old-school thinking won't allow us to put rookies in the top 20. They have to show us something first.

Here are the top 20 tackles, the first in a series of positional rankings by RealScouts:

1. Ryan Clady, Broncos. An extremely athletic left tackle who gave up just 1 1/2 sacks as a rookie last year, he has great feet and the ability to run block at the second level and mirror ends in pass protection (only off 1 sack)

the other 19 are here (http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=546898)

BroncoBuff
05-10-2009, 11:18 AM
Amazing recognition for a rookie ... we're lucky to have him.

Nice find noob ^5

TheReverend
05-10-2009, 11:23 AM
Let's hope there's no sophomore slump, though I expect there will be. Still an immensely talented kid and a genuine fighter.

BroncoMan4ever
05-10-2009, 12:05 PM
Let's hope there's no sophomore slump, though I expect there will be. Still an immensely talented kid and a genuine fighter.

i think he will still play awesome. my only worry is that with Orton not being the most mobile QB that his stats aren't going to look great. I know Orton is good at sliding in the pocket, but i don't see him roll outside of the pocket when the defense is crashing. I tend to think instead of rolling out and finding an open target, Orton is going to take a sack.

Broncoman13
05-10-2009, 12:10 PM
Let's hope there's no sophomore slump, though I expect there will be. Still an immensely talented kid and a genuine fighter.

Like Thomas I think he'll have a bit of a slump too. Still a great player and his rookie year will help him get a pro-bowl invite even though he won't play as well as he did in his rookie campaign. You also have to consider how much Cutler helped him with his ability to scamper around. We're going to miss Cutler's mobility more than anything, IMO.

TheReverend
05-10-2009, 12:40 PM
Like Thomas I think he'll have a bit of a slump too. Still a great player and his rookie year will help him get a pro-bowl invite even though he won't play as well as he did in his rookie campaign. You also have to consider how much Cutler helped him with his ability to scamper around. We're going to miss Cutler's mobility more than anything, IMO.

Along with his pre-snap reads.

Along with play-calling that won't involve nearly as much as, if any, boots to help slow the rush with contain play.

Sadly, our OL could look significantly worse, despite being just as talented as last year.

In that same vein, do we have any Weigman news? If something happens to him, our line will be really boned if we don't move Benny over.

SureShot
05-10-2009, 12:56 PM
Brandon Albert must be on the top 20 Guards list.

DarkHorse
05-10-2009, 01:13 PM
i think he will still play awesome. my only worry is that with Orton not being the most mobile QB that his stats aren't going to look great. I know Orton is good at sliding in the pocket, but i don't see him roll outside of the pocket when the defense is crashing. I tend to think instead of rolling out and finding an open target, Orton is going to take a sack.


I'll be content with a sack over the interception all day anyday.

Sacked by Croel
05-10-2009, 03:36 PM
Brandon Albert must be on the top 20 Guards list.

:rofl:

Doggcow
05-10-2009, 04:43 PM
Brandon Albert must be on the top 20 Guards list.

Lol nice!

DenverBrit
05-10-2009, 05:01 PM
Brandon Albert must be on the top 20 Guards list.

If only. Ha!


Top 20 Guards
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=547258

footstepsfrom#27
05-10-2009, 05:45 PM
Where's Harris?

TUB OF LARD
05-10-2009, 05:46 PM
Where's Harris?

No kidding.

SI 2008 All-Pro.

Broncosfreak_56
05-10-2009, 05:55 PM
No kidding.

SI 2008 All-Pro.

Not to mention neither of our guards are in the top 20 according to them.

TheReverend
05-10-2009, 06:02 PM
Not to mention neither of our guards are in the top 20 according to them.

I think both Ben and Chris should be on there, but it's pretty hard to argue with their list of guards, really. Those are all solid players, and Kupe doesn't have the body of work to show consistency yet. He'll get his deserved credit soon. I'm irritated by the Hamilton snub though.

TonyR
05-10-2009, 07:08 PM
The Eagles offensive line is going to be massive this year with the return of Shawn Andrews (ranked 4 here), and the signings of Stacy Andrews (ranked 20) and Jason Peters (3 in the tackles ranking). And we'll get to see that line this season.

TheReverend
05-10-2009, 07:12 PM
The Eagles offensive line is going to be massive this year with the return of Shawn Andrews (ranked 4 here), and the signings of Stacy Andrews (ranked 20) and Jason Peters (3 in the tackles ranking). And we'll get to see that line this season.

I know... I was fond of their line pre the Peters signing.

I'd figure with as well as Max Jean Gilles played, they'd kick Shawn out to RT, and have him bookend with his brother at LT. Now, they should just pure own.

~Crash~
05-10-2009, 08:07 PM
Clady was the #1 RB LT in the leauge also so people need to give the guy his due.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

TheReverend
05-10-2009, 09:16 PM
Clady was the #1 RB LT in the leauge also so people need to give the guy his due.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

That "left end" designation isn't strictly Clady. It's a testament to his talent for sure, but it's also a testament to how ****ing good Denver is at running stretch plays. Note the "right end" zones have Denver at #2.

That's sweet coordination in the running game between Dennison and Turner and a slew of scrub backs on IR.

footstepsfrom#27
05-10-2009, 09:33 PM
That "left end" designation isn't strictly Clady. It's a testament to his talent for sure, but it's also a testament to how ****ing good Denver is at running stretch plays. Note the "right end" zones have Denver at #2.

That's sweet coordination in the running game between Dennison and Turner and a slew of scrub backs on IR.
Right. And despite Harris getting pro bowl mention in his first season on the field...he's not in the top 20? Something wrong there...

BroncoMan4ever
05-10-2009, 09:55 PM
I'll be content with a sack over the interception all day anyday.

i agree completely. i just know there are going to be a lot of ignorant people who are going to see Clady's 1 sack allowed this past season, and then look at next season when more than likely the number is going to be higher and think that his play went to ****, because Orton isn't a scrambler and instead of forcing passes is going to take a sack.

Sacked by Croel
05-10-2009, 09:58 PM
i agree completely. i just know there are going to be a lot of ignorant people who are going to see Clady's 1 sack allowed this past season, and then look at next season when more than likely the number is going to be higher and think that his play went to ****, because Orton isn't a scrambler and instead of forcing passes is going to take a sack.

Orton being a game manager is such a myth. His career INT % is identical to Cutler's.

TheReverend
05-10-2009, 09:59 PM
Right. And despite Harris getting pro bowl mention in his first season on the field...he's not in the top 20? Something wrong there...

RT's will always get undervalued. It's unfortunate, imo.

BroncoMan4ever
05-10-2009, 11:51 PM
Orton being a game manager is such a myth. His career INT % is identical to Cutler's.

ok, but unlike Cutler that guy has had no receiving weapons and no line, so he is always under duress trying to hit anyone who might be open.

I would gladly wager that Orton has better passing numbers than Jay will this season. More TDs and less INTs.

but the point i was making. unlike Cutler, he isn't going to attempt to throw into double or triple coverage when he is under pressure or no one is open. he will take a sack or throw it away.

SureShot
05-10-2009, 11:53 PM
By the time the season starts this place will have Orton as a shoe in for the Pro Bowl.

footstepsfrom#27
05-11-2009, 12:43 AM
By the time the season starts this place will have Orton as a shoe in for the Pro Bowl.
And by game 4 they'll probably be calling for Simms.

ZONA
05-11-2009, 01:38 AM
I'll be content with a sack over the interception all day anyday.

agreed

Sacked by Croel
05-11-2009, 01:42 AM
I'll be content with a sack over the interception all day anyday.

Matt Cassel was sacked more than any QB in the NFL last year. I don't want that either.

cutthemdown
05-11-2009, 02:16 AM
And by game 4 they'll probably be calling for Simms.

maybe lol, maybe.

It sucks what has happened. I just want yr to start, and probably be over with pretty quickly. I think Broncos will play more physical on defense this yr, and better ST, but considering we were 8-8 last yr and had Cutler, and this yr is much tougher, I don't see us having a great yr.

It's good to play tough teams though. We will get to see who can play and who can't.

BroncoMan4ever
05-11-2009, 02:52 AM
maybe lol, maybe.

It sucks what has happened. I just want yr to start, and probably be over with pretty quickly. I think Broncos will play more physical on defense this yr, and better ST, but considering we were 8-8 last yr and had Cutler, and this yr is much tougher, I don't see us having a great yr.

It's good to play tough teams though. We will get to see who can play and who can't.

Cutler cost us a few games last season with poor play, and untimely INTs. that is one thing that Orton won't do. he only throws high percentage passes, and we now have a legit rushing threat.

I am sorry, but the 370 points that Jay led our offense to that got us an 8-8 record will be at least matched but more than likely bettered by Orton. our defense will be better, because we finally solidified our secondary, and are under the direction of good coaches. we finally paid some attention to our ST, so it will be unlikely that we are continually starting drives at or behind our own 20, and our opposition won't be starting drives at mid field as often.

we are better now than we were last year, and i truly believe this team can go 10-6 or better.

Mogulseeker
05-11-2009, 06:37 AM
I would gladly wager that Orton has better passing numbers than Jay will this season. More TDs and less INTs.


I guess we'll see. Whould this make us winners in the trade?

Honestly, I think Orton is a decent pocket QB... there will be more sacks, but not because of lack of mobility... not soley for lack of mobility at least. He's less likely to force a throw, which might lead to more sacks and less INTs, but he'll also throw the ball away - unlike Cutler - when he rolls out, which is the safe thing to do.

cutthemdown
05-11-2009, 06:45 AM
Cutler cost us a few games last season with poor play, and untimely INTs. that is one thing that Orton won't do. he only throws high percentage passes, and we now have a legit rushing threat.

I am sorry, but the 370 points that Jay led our offense to that got us an 8-8 record will be at least matched but more than likely bettered by Orton. our defense will be better, because we finally solidified our secondary, and are under the direction of good coaches. we finally paid some attention to our ST, so it will be unlikely that we are continually starting drives at or behind our own 20, and our opposition won't be starting drives at mid field as often.

we are better now than we were last year, and i truly believe this team can go 10-6 or better.

I agree that broncos have a chance to match or better the amount of points they score. It's mostly the tougher schedule against a lot of elite teams that makes me say that. Also it sometimes takes a awhile for a new QB to adapt. It takes some time for a new coach to teach his system, usually. Both of those things make me think Broncos could maybe struggle a bit early.

I agree though Jay wasted a lot of his yrds with mistakes that blew his chance at points.

epicSocialism4tw
05-11-2009, 11:25 AM
I would gladly wager that Orton has better passing numbers than Jay will this season. More TDs and less INTs.

This is just flat out crazy. Be sure you revisit this post at the end of the season.

BroncoMan4ever
05-11-2009, 12:35 PM
This is just flat out crazy. Be sure you revisit this post at the end of the season.

unless Forte and Earl Bennett have some of the greatest receiving seasons ever, there is no chance in hell that Jay hits the numbers he put up this past season.

he has no line to keep him protected meaning he is going to throw more ill-advised passes. he has no receiving weapons, so he is going to force a lot more passes. his INT numbers are going to be bad.

and with no receiving weapons, no way will he throw more TD passes.

Orton threw 18 TDs with no line, and no real receiving threats last season or line. In a new pass happy offense, where he has Marshall, Royal, Stokley, Moreno, Hillis, possibly Scheff, Graham, Gaffney, the guy is going to have open targets all the time, and his numbers are going to explode. he is more than likely going to have the year of his career this season.

I agree that broncos have a chance to match or better the amount of points they score. It's mostly the tougher schedule against a lot of elite teams that makes me say that. Also it sometimes takes a awhile for a new QB to adapt. It takes some time for a new coach to teach his system, usually. Both of those things make me think Broncos could maybe struggle a bit early.

I agree though Jay wasted a lot of his yrds with mistakes that blew his chance at points.

see i don't really see what is so hard about our schedule next season.

Cincinnati - easily winnable
Cleveland - easily winnable
Oakland - easily winnable
Dallas - tough game but winnable
New England - probably a loss, but McDaniels knows them and might make it interesting
San Diego - a tough division game, but we will split with SD
Baltimore - probably a loss
Pittsburgh - probably a loss
Washington - probably a win
San Diego - split with them
NY Giants - no more Burress, possible win
Kansas City - win
Indianapolis - probably a loss, but McDaniels knows how to beat them
Oakland - win
Philadelphia - tough game can go either way
Kansas City - win


I think this team can easily finish the season 10-6 or better.

also, no one is really factoring in that the entire AFC West has similar schedules. so even if this is a brutal schedule, which i don't think it is, 9-7 or 10-6 will probably win the division again.