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BowlenBall
05-08-2009, 12:24 AM
This year, www.draftguys.com (an excellent site that really got better in their second year) tracked pre-draft prospect interest for all teams. Just for fun, I went back and looked at who the Broncos were interested in this year.

First of all, here's the link:
http://draftguys.com/index.php/articles/1/2009_nfl_draft_team_player_interest_rumor_mill_-_afc_-_april_22_update/

And here's the Broncos-relevant information:

Denver Broncos

Offense

QB – Stephen McGee (Texas A&M) - Official Visit Scheduled – 4/22 (Scout.com)
QB – Mark Sanchez (USC) Private Workout in Los Angeles with offensive coordinator Mike McCoy join general manager Brian Xanders – head coach Josh McDaniels ill and could not attend (Mike Klis, Denver Post & Cecil Lammey, Draftguys,com)
QB – Pat White (West Virginia) - Had Private Workout (Scout.com) Quarterback only Drills (Steve Wyche, NFL.com)
QB – Curtis Painter (Purdue) - Private Workout scheduled
RB – Cedric Peerman (Virginia) - Rumored Interest (Scout.com)
RB – Chris Wells (OSU) - Official Visit Scheduled (Aaron Wilson, Carroll County Times)
RB – Rashad Jennings (Liberty) - Had Private Work out on 3/8 (Scout.com)
RB – Donald Brown (UCONN) - Had Private Workout - 3/24
RB – Javon Ringer (Michigan State) - Private Workout Scheduled (Chris Steuber - Scout.com)
WR – Brian Hartline (Ohio State) - Rumored Interest
WR – Quan Cosby(Texas) - Had a Workout (Scout.com)
C – Eric Wood (Louisville) - Had Private Workout (Gil Brandt, NFL.com & Cincinnati Enquirer)
G – Andy Levitre (Oregon State) - Had Private Workout for the Offensive Line Coach (Scout.com)


Defense

DT – Ron Brace (Boston College) -Had Workout (NFLDraftbible.com)
DT – BJ Raji (Boston College) - Had Private Workout – 3/20 (The Santa Rosa Press-Democrat)
DT/DE – Brian Orakpo(Texas) - Has Scheduled a Visit (NFL.com)
DT – Ziggy Hood (Missouri) -Had Workout (NFLDraftbible.com)
DT – Fili Moala(USC) - Formal Interview at Combine (Scout.com)
DE/LB –Cody Brown (UCONN) - Had Private Workout by linebacker coach – 3/20 (Scout.com & ProFootballTalk.com)
DE – Conner Barwin(Cincinnati) - Had Private Workout – 3/17 (Scout.com)
LB –Clay Matthews (USC) - Had Official Visit – 4/9 (Andrew Garda, Draftguys.com & Scout.com)
CB– Chip Vaughn (Wake Forest) -Strong Interest (Scout.com)
CB– Malcolm Jenkins (Ohio State) - Had Private Workout -3/20
CB– Alphonso Smith (Wake Forest) - Scheduled Official Visit (ProFootballTalk.com)
S –Bradley Fletcher (Iowa) - Formal Interview at Combine (Scout.com)
S – Rashad Johnson (Alabama) - Had Visit (ProFootballTalk.com)
S – Louis Delmas (Westen Michigan) - Visit Scheduled (Scout.com)
S – Patrick Chung (Oregon) - Had Private Workout (Scout.com

My observations:

1) There's only one guy on the entire list (Alphonso Smith) who we ended up taking. Looks very similar to the Shanahan regime, where our pre-draft interest in a player means we're actually NOT interested.

2) The Broncos did a great job of masking their interest in Moreno-- note the private workouts with two of the top three running backs, but NOT with our guy. Also, we interviewed several guys that we were clearly not planning to draft at #12 or #18 (Orakpo, Matthews, Wells, Brown, Brace, Hood, Jenkins).

3) Some pretty good sandbagging with the QBs as well -- no indication that Brandestater would be our guy (and keep in mind that we traded UP to get him in the 6th, meaning he was probably targeted pre-draft).

4) The top 3 safeties (and 4 overall) were also on the list, but NOT Darcel McBath or David Bruton.

5) No tight ends were on the list, and yet we traded up to the second round for Richard Quinn. Interesting strategy here -- since TE was not a perceived team need, they felt that they didn't need to waste a visit on any decoys at the position.

6) The curious case of Alphonso Smith -- this was probably a situation where we had him in the top 10-15 players, but had no intentions of taking him at #12 or #18. However, once he slid into the second round, the value became too great too ignore, and the decoy became the target.

So, for next year, just remember.... if Xanders and McDaniels express interest in a particular player, there's a 3.6% chance that we're actually going to draft them.

Popps
05-08-2009, 12:56 AM
Draftguys is a damned cool site. People will rip it because everyone is a draft "expert" on a message board, but they really attempt to put out good info.

I seem to recall them liking our picks. I know they graded a couple of our street FA's very high.

s0phr0syne
05-08-2009, 12:56 AM
I think this thread is going to get a lot of action when people wake up.


I remember several posters asserting that the McXanders drafting was a clean departure from Shanny's style because we did draft the players that we had visited with.

This sentence was thrown around a lot after the draft: "7 of the 10 drafted rookies were brought in by Denver for a visit or interviewed at the Combine." I don't know if the Draftguys tracked Combine interviews or not.

Anyway, I enjoyed your post, and it might make for some lively discussion once people wake up again.

Popps
05-08-2009, 12:57 AM
there's a 3.6% chance that we're actually going to draft them.

That's fairly common.

Shanahan never lied... except when his lips were moving. He was a master at BS'ing the media and getting people chasing their tails.

I wish he would have drafted a bit better, though.

watermock
05-08-2009, 01:04 AM
So we brought in players we had no intention of drafting?

http://feastofnemesis.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/jamesbond-vi.jpg
Brilliant!

But we had a list of 100 players so top secret that we traded up to get them.

Sounds like McDummy is playing Spy like his mentor.

watermock
05-08-2009, 01:12 AM
This sentence was thrown around a lot after the draft: "7 of the 10 drafted rookies were brought in by Denver for a visit or interviewed at the Combine." I don't know if the Draftguys tracked Combine interviews or not.



It seems the opposite was true,or am I missing something?

I don't see 1 pick other than the blunder**** trading our 1st in '10.

So we graded at the combine and never brought anyone in personally?

Classic hoodie. And we are supposed to believe this punk?

BroncoDoug
05-08-2009, 01:29 AM
It seems the opposite was true,or am I missing something?

I don't see 1 pick other than the blunder**** trading our 1st in '10.

So we graded at the combine and never brought anyone in personally?

Classic hoodie. And we are supposed to believe this punk?

Dude...Take a chill pill. You're going to give yourself a heart attack over something you have no control over.

footstepsfrom#27
05-08-2009, 01:30 AM
This list of 28 seems awfully close to the well publicized 30 player list they talked about having created from the original 100. McSatan boasted that every pick we got was on that list. Perhaps I'm wrong, but didn't they say that they had worked all these guys out? If so...this is obviously the same list, meaning we got one of our targets, not all of them.

I never saw the wisdom of Shanny's shadowy clandestine movements to trick everyone. Whatever advantage you get in deception seems like it was easily negated by the disadvantage of being under-informed on the players they drafted. Maybe the only good thing I see here is that they actually managed to work the Smith kid out before taking him.

Drek
05-08-2009, 01:40 AM
The Broncos had Moreno in back when Wells came in if I recall.

And Robert Ayers has specifically referenced discussions with our LB coach as having tipped him off to being high on Denver's draft board.

Draftguys.com has a cool idea here, but it seems like it needs more leg work to really live up to the promise.

Popps
05-08-2009, 01:41 AM
It seems the opposite was true,or am I missing something?

I don't see 1 pick other than the blunder**** trading our 1st in '10.

So we graded at the combine and never brought anyone in personally?

Classic hoodie. And we are supposed to believe this punk?


Dude, honestly... why bother with these posts. Seriously. There has to be some better use of your time.

We get it, you're a miserable fan. Anything else?

watermock
05-08-2009, 02:01 AM
Actually, my comments stand on their own merits.

The FACT is, we never worked out anone but ONE of the prospects, AND we wound up trding a potential high 1st for an undersized corner

The rest we NEVER worked out personally, yet we managed to trim the draft board down to 100 players.

It's ****in' idiotic.

Carry on...

Boy, we sure fooled 'em.

Don't worry why I'm here, go change some diapers and give her a break.

BroncoMan4ever
05-08-2009, 02:32 AM
Draftguys is a damned cool site. People will rip it because everyone is a draft "expert" on a message board, but they really attempt to put out good info.

I seem to recall them liking our picks. I know they graded a couple of our street FA's very high.

hell had we used draft picks on Baker, Rulon and Pedexuea(sp?) instead of getting them as UDFA not nearly as many people would be complaining about how we didn't address the DL in the draft.

Baker was one of the best prospects for NT in the draft but because of character went undrafted

Rulon is one of the only guys in the draft who has experience playing DE in a 3-4

Pedexeu is a steal who might become at least a good rotational guy on the line.

TonyR
05-08-2009, 06:07 AM
The FACT is, we never worked out anone but ONE of the prospects, AND we wound up trding a potential high 1st for an undersized corner


You need to be a little more careful throwing that word FACT around. Just because some website says we only worked out one of our drafted players certainly doesn't make it a FACT. You cannot really be that naive or stupid.

And I'd just like to point out that, if I remember correctly, your hero Mike Shanahan never met or worked out your boy crush Jay Cutler before drafting him.

gyldenlove
05-08-2009, 06:41 AM
Considering that we visited with 7 of our 10 draft picks and had interviews with the last 3, that list doesn't seem quite accurate. I know for a fact we had Ayers and Moreno in as well Quinn.

TonyR
05-08-2009, 06:44 AM
...that list doesn't seem quite accurate...

But it's a FACT! Don't you know?!? Ask "watermock", he said it's a FACT! In ALL CAPS! So it must REALLY be a FACT! The sky is falling and McDoodyface is a complete failure and has set the franchise back at least ten years! WE ARE DOOOOOOOMED!

barryr
05-08-2009, 06:46 AM
Actually, my comments stand on their own merits.

The FACT is, we never worked out anone but ONE of the prospects, AND we wound up trding a potential high 1st for an undersized corner

The rest we NEVER worked out personally, yet we managed to trim the draft board down to 100 players.

It's ****in' idiotic.

Carry on...

Boy, we sure fooled 'em.

Don't worry why I'm here, go change some diapers and give her a break.

Seek help please.

bowtown
05-08-2009, 06:47 AM
Considering that we visited with 7 of our 10 draft picks and had interviews with the last 3, that list doesn't seem quite accurate. I know for a fact we had Ayers and Moreno in as well Quinn.

Yeah this has been stated by McDaniels a couple of times I think... then again he's a huge liar.

BowlenBall
05-08-2009, 06:59 AM
I think this thread is going to get a lot of action when people wake up.


I remember several posters asserting that the McXanders drafting was a clean departure from Shanny's style because we did draft the players that we had visited with.

This sentence was thrown around a lot after the draft: "7 of the 10 drafted rookies were brought in by Denver for a visit or interviewed at the Combine." I don't know if the Draftguys tracked Combine interviews or not.

Anyway, I enjoyed your post, and it might make for some lively discussion once people wake up again.

Good call there. McDaniels did say that in a post-draft interview. Looks like www.draftguys.com had an incomplete list.

A quick websearch (google news) turns up the following:

Knowshon Moreno: nothing

Robert Ayers: nothing

Alphonso Smith: had a pre-draft workout with Broncos

Darcel McBath: had a pre-draft workout with Broncos

Richard Quinn: nothing

David Bruton: TWO pre-draft workouts!

Seth Olsen: Also TWO pre-draft workouts!!

Kenny McKinley: had a pre-draft workout with Broncos

Tom Brandestater: had a pre-draft workout with Broncos

Blake Schlueter: nothing

So... 10 minutes of googling uncovered the fact that we brought in at least 6 of our 10 prospects for a workout -- and two of the prospects were brought in twice!

If anyone can find links to articles about workouts involving Moreno, Ayers, Quinn, or Schlueter, post them below....

vancejohnson82
05-08-2009, 06:59 AM
wow....some really good analysis from Footsteps and Mock...

and there's a new nickname....McSatan!!!!

hahahaha.....thats so good...oh wow...im gonna write that one down....great stuff man

Kaylore
05-08-2009, 07:05 AM
That list is wrong. Here's a more accurate list provided by gyldenlove. It includes pro-day workouts we attended and their projected value at the time of work out. We had an ongoing thread (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=78663) where we were pooling reports from several sources to put together who we worked out.

OFFENSE

QB
Curtis Painter (Purdue) - 5th-6th Round

RBs
Knowshon Moreno (Georgia) - Early - Mid Round 1
Chris Wells (Ohio State) - Early-Mid Round 1
Donald Brown (Connecticut) - Mid-Late Round 1
Rashad Jennings (Liberty) - Early Round 2
Lesean Mccoy (Pittsburch) - Late Round 1, Early Round 2

WRs
Mike Thomas (Arizona) - Late Round 2 (also has value as a return specialist)
Eron Riley (Duke) - Late Round 3 - Round 6
Pat White (West Virginia) - Round 3 - Round 4 (Worked him out as a WR)

TE
Richard Quinn (North Carolina) - Round 6 - Undrafted FA (Badass blocking TE)

OC
Eric Wood (Louisville) - Late Round 1 - Early Round 2



DEFENSE

DTs
BJ Raji (Boston College) - Early Round 1
Roy Miller (Texas) - 5th Round - 7tth Round (Pure 2 gap NT)

OLB/DEs
Connor Barwin (Cincinnati) - Mid-Late Round 1
Robert Ayers (Tennessee) - Mid - Late Round 1
David Veikune (Hawaii) - Late Round 3 - Early Round 5
Victor Butler (Oregon State) - Round 4 - Round 6
Cody Brown (Connecticut) - Late Round 2 - Round 3
Brian Orakpo (Texas) - Early Round 1
Brian Cushing (USC) - Round 1
Paul Kruger (Utah) - Round 2 - Round 3

ILB
James Laurinaitis (Ohio State) - Late Round 1 - Early Round 2

CBs
Malcom Jenkins (Ohio State) - Early-Mid Round 1
Kevin Barnes (Maryland) - Early Round 3 - Round 4
Darius Butler (Connecticut) - Round 2/3
Alphonso Smith (Wake Forest) - Late Round 1 - Early Round 2

S
Chip Vaughn (Wake Forest) - Late Round 2 - Round 3
Louis Delmas (Western Michigan) - Round 2

So all of their first day picks were privately worked out. It was also reported here locally that we worked out McKinley too. I think the Draft Guy's do a lot of stuff, but this list they have isn't even a little complete.

BowlenBall
05-08-2009, 07:07 AM
Here's a more accurate list provided by gyldenlove. It includes pro-day workouts we attended and their projected value at the time of work out.



So all of their first day picks were privately worked out. It was also reported here locally that we worked out McKinley too. I think the Draft Guy's do a lot of stuff, but this list they have isn't even a little complete.

In defense of Draft Guys -- they have the best list I've seen posted on the internet, something like 800 prospects linked to all 32 teams. Hopefully next year, they (or someone else) will track these a little more seriously, because it's pretty interesting.

Looks like the title of this thread should have been "Denver Broncos -- will only draft players they work out"

Kaylore
05-08-2009, 07:11 AM
I just read the rest of the meltdowns here and this thread has suddenly become hilarious.Ha!

Kaylore
05-08-2009, 07:15 AM
In defense of Draft Guys -- they have the best list I've seen posted on the internet, something like 800 prospects linked to all 32 teams. Hopefully next year, they (or someone else) will track these a little more seriously, because it's pretty interesting.

It is surprising considering Cecil lives here in town and a lot of the guys that were scouted were announced on TheFan when Denver was working them out, including some of our draft picks.

gyldenlove
05-08-2009, 08:10 AM
That list is wrong. Here's a more accurate list provided by gyldenlove. It includes pro-day workouts we attended and their projected value at the time of work out. We had an ongoing thread (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=78663) where we were pooling reports from several sources to put together who we worked out.



So all of their first day picks were privately worked out. It was also reported here locally that we worked out McKinley too. I think the Draft Guy's do a lot of stuff, but this list they have isn't even a little complete.

A lot of that list was done by MUG from Broncomania, I just kept updating his original list.

TonyR
05-08-2009, 08:16 AM
Actually, my comments stand on their own merits.

The FACT is, we never worked out anone but ONE of the prospects, AND we wound up trding a potential high 1st for an undersized corner

The rest we NEVER worked out personally, yet we managed to trim the draft board down to 100 players.

It's ****in' idiotic.

Carry on...

Boy, we sure fooled 'em.

Don't worry why I'm here, go change some diapers and give her a break.

Do you feel as stupid as you look? Or, to use your own word against you, idiotic? You know what you can do with your "FACTS", right?

ColoradoDarin
05-08-2009, 08:28 AM
This thread is hilarious, but I just wanted to make one observation on the OP observations, specifically,
Also, we interviewed several guys that we were clearly not planning to draft at #12 or #18 (Orakpo, Matthews, Wells, Brown, Brace, Hood, Jenkins).

It also could mean that we interviewed them because we were on the fence about them and wanted them to answer further questions, or that we interviewed them and they bombed, so we removed them from the board, or moved them down behind guys like Knowshon and Ayers.

outdoor_miner
05-08-2009, 08:33 AM
I love it... When McDaniels first came out and said that he drafted mostly players that Denver had privately worked out, the McPoopyface crew melted down... Now, there's a rumor that Denver used smokescreens and drafted players that they didn't work out... And the McPoopyface crew melts down again. Just goes to show that many people on here are just looking for an excuse to melt down.

Paladin
05-08-2009, 08:46 AM
[QUOTE=TonyR;2411623].......You cannot really be that naive or stupid. QUOTE]

Oh yes he can! He is wierd this morning. Mock being MOck. A lot of unsubtantiated speculative assertions about nothing that means anything except in his own mind....

Tombstone RJ
05-08-2009, 08:53 AM
I love it... When McDaniels first came out and said that he drafted mostly players that Denver had privately worked out, the McPoopyface crew melted down... Now, there's a rumor that Denver used smokescreens and drafted players that they didn't work out... And the McPoopyface crew melts down again. Just goes to show that many people on here are just looking for an excuse to melt down.

The posters who don't like McD will find any excuse to make him look bad. McD has much to prove, no doubt, but I still don't understand why all then nay-sayers don't just back off until at least a few games have been played.

We'll know relatively quickly if the players are buying into McD's formula.

BroncoBuff
05-08-2009, 10:27 AM
I seem to recall them liking our picks.
I'm quite sure you "seem to recall" that ... because it's in line with your views. :~ohyah!:

But no, Popps ... REALITY CALLING!

They gave us a C+/Incomplete, and were "baffled" by some of our moves: http://draftguys.com/index.php/articles/1/2009_nfl_draft_grades_-_afc_west/

footstepsfrom#27
05-08-2009, 10:54 AM
wow....some really good analysis from Footsteps and Mock...
Yeah...good point. ::)

What would you say *this* means?...
Perhaps I'm wrong, but didn't they say that they had worked all these guys out?

Get it? I'm asking a question here.

SportinOne
05-08-2009, 10:57 AM
Draftguys is a damned cool site... they really attempt to put out good info.


I seem to recall them liking our picks.

Hehe.

vancejohnson82
05-08-2009, 11:41 AM
Yeah...good point. ::)

What would you say *this* means?...


Get it? I'm asking a question here.

it means in every thread this morning I had to read through the same old crap from you and Mock and wanted to just point out that your "McSatan" name was hilarious....borderline stage material

it was just thread hijacking and its annoying at times

Drek
05-08-2009, 11:42 AM
I'm quite sure you "seem to recall" that ... because it's in line with your views. :~ohyah!:

But no, Popps ... REALITY CALLING!

They gave us a C+/Incomplete, and were "baffled" by some of our moves: http://draftguys.com/index.php/articles/1/2009_nfl_draft_grades_-_afc_west/

You know, its great that some of their contributors visit this site or whatever, but that analysis is a pile of ****.

The Broncos could finish with the league's worst record next year and give Seattle the #1 overall pick. If they draft a bust and Smith goes on to be a good or elite player then the Broncos will still look like they made the right move.

Second, the Broncos drafted Robert Ayers, a DE/OLB who showed considerable raw pass rushing skills at the senior bowl and through the last part of his senior year. They took him at #18, and this analysis doesn't even mention him. He's as likely to be an elite edge rusher as Orakpo, who has a poor first step and comes from a program noted for recent athletes who're over hyped and bust in the pros. Why would a team regret getting Ayers just a few picks later, and taking one of the safest picks in the draft (the #1 RB in the class) instead?

And they obviously don't get the concept of what McDaniels is looking to do with Quinn if they think a bunch of street FAs could just as easily fill the role. None of the street FAs block as well as him and he does show some athletic upside as a receiver. Multiple teams had him pegged as a late 2nd/early 3rd, so the notion that he's fungible to the point of being on par with a UDFA is basically the best example of why "draft analyst" is a bull**** title.

I know I'm a glass half full kind of guy when it comes to the Broncos, but that was a shoddy write up given that it didn't even reference the #18 overall pick as anything other than "hey only devoted one pick to the woeful front seven on defense", and expends the majority of its content on talking about what might happen in next year's draft.

vancejohnson82
05-08-2009, 11:58 AM
You know, its great that some of their contributors visit this site or whatever, but that analysis is a pile of ****.

The Broncos could finish with the league's worst record next year and give Seattle the #1 overall pick. If they draft a bust and Smith goes on to be a good or elite player then the Broncos will still look like they made the right move.

Second, the Broncos drafted Robert Ayers, a DE/OLB who showed considerable raw pass rushing skills at the senior bowl and through the last part of his senior year. They took him at #18, and this analysis doesn't even mention him. He's as likely to be an elite edge rusher as Orakpo, who has a poor first step and comes from a program noted for recent athletes who're over hyped and bust in the pros. Why would a team regret getting Ayers just a few picks later, and taking one of the safest picks in the draft (the #1 RB in the class) instead?

And they obviously don't get the concept of what McDaniels is looking to do with Quinn if they think a bunch of street FAs could just as easily fill the role. None of the street FAs block as well as him and he does show some athletic upside as a receiver. Multiple teams had him pegged as a late 2nd/early 3rd, so the notion that he's fungible to the point of being on par with a UDFA is basically the best example of why "draft analyst" is a bull**** title.

I know I'm a glass half full kind of guy when it comes to the Broncos, but that was a shoddy write up given that it didn't even reference the #18 overall pick as anything other than "hey only devoted one pick to the woeful front seven on defense", and expends the majority of its content on talking about what might happen in next year's draft.

exactly...im rooting for Alphonso more than any of the other rooks now because hes the one that is going to be chastised if he doesnt reach All-Pro status in two years

footstepsfrom#27
05-08-2009, 12:08 PM
it means in every thread this morning I had to read through the same old crap from you and Mock and wanted to just point out that your "McSatan" name was hilarious....borderline stage material

it was just thread hijacking and its annoying at times
Thread jacking? No...not hardly. I'm on topic completely here. How can you say otherwise? In point of fact I posed a simple question...one Kaylor answered, which was basically about the nature of the list. It seemed the draftguys site was providing the list of players interviewed...now it appears their list was incomplete which essentially answered my question; that being whether or not we'd drafted from the list of people we worked out.

As for "McSatan"...get a sense of humor OK? Besides...he does look a little evil...does he not? :thumbsup:

http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/a5f4a3dd09_mcdaniels03252009.jpg

vancejohnson82
05-08-2009, 12:12 PM
Thread jacking? No...not hardly. I'm on topic completely here. How can you say otherwise? In point of fact I posed a simple question...one Kaylor answered, which was basically about the nature of the list. It seemed the draftguys site was providing the list of players interviewed...now it appears their list was incomplete which essentially answered my question; that being whether or not we'd drafted from the list of people we worked out.

As for "McSatan"...get a sense of humor OK? Besides...he does look a little evil...does he not? :thumbsup:

http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/a5f4a3dd09_mcdaniels03252009.jpg

no problem...admittedly I'm overly perturbed when i see "Mc-fill-in-the-blank" names...so i apologize for not taking in the whole post and responding....

his face is no worse than the Shanahan "Plummer Interception" face

BroncoBuff
05-08-2009, 12:15 PM
You know, its great that some of their contributors visit this site or whatever, but that analysis is a pile of ****.
I don't have any love for DraftGuys, I was just pointing out how Popps hears what he wants to hear ;D


BUT FAR MORE IMPORTANT! Drek has chosen his Adopt-a-Rookie for this year: David Bruton!

The only Domer drafted ...... (he wore #2 at some point?)

BroncoBuff
05-08-2009, 12:25 PM
the Broncos drafted Robert Ayers, a DE/OLB who showed considerable raw pass rushing skills at the senior bowl and through the last part of his senior year. They took him at #18, and this analysis doesn't even mention him. He's as likely to be an elite edge rusher as Orakpo, who has a poor first step and comes from a program noted for recent athletes who're over hyped and bust in the pros. Why would a team regret getting Ayers just a few picks later, and taking one of the safest picks in the draft (the #1 RB in the class) instead?
Ayers and Orakpo ... six of one, half-dozen the other. I'll bet the draft boards across the league were split on these two. It'll be fun to watch which one out-does the other, time will tell.

I love your positivity Drek, but the Quinn pick (especially trading up for him) is a head-scratcher. No matter how good a blocking TE he becomes, it will seem like a bad pick. They simply MUST see him as developing into a receiving threat.

fdf
05-08-2009, 12:30 PM
Also, we interviewed several guys that we were clearly not planning to draft at #12 or #18 (Orakpo, Matthews, Wells, Brown, Brace, Hood, Jenkins).

It's also possible at DT that the workouts CAUSED our lack of interest at the point they were available in the draft. That we agressively grabbed the two best DT's in free agency is consistent with that.

ZONA
05-08-2009, 12:35 PM
Leave the guys like Mock alone. Some fans just choose to see things negatively and that will only taint their enjoyment for the upcoming season. If they want to watch the team and just talk crap about the coaches and players, let them. I much prefer watching with hope and optimism. That's part of the fun. I mean, we went 8-8 the last 3 years, average city. I don't recall this much negativity being thrown around those years.

They'll learn one of these days. If not, oh well, not gonna ruin my day.

Drek
05-08-2009, 02:47 PM
Ayers and Orakpo ... six of one, half-dozen the other. I'll bet the draft boards across the league were split on these two. It'll be fun to watch which one out-does the other, time will tell.

I love your positivity Drek, but the Quinn pick (especially trading up for him) is a head-scratcher. No matter how good a blocking TE he becomes, it will seem like a bad pick. They simply MUST see him as developing into a receiving threat.

I personally see him as something like what Dwayne Carswell/Bubba Franks type of receiving weapon, with comparable blocking skills out of the gate and better blocking skills down the road.

Carswell used to be a red zone beast for this franchise, Franks was in a similar role with Green Bay for his best years. That is how I see Quinn fitting in. We get in short yardage downs or inside the red zone and we roll out the two TE combo of Graham and Quinn. From that base you can then optionally attach 1 WR (Marshall) and 2 RB (Hillis and Moreno), 2 WR (Marshall and Royal) and 1 RB (Hillis or Moreno), or even go three TE (with Scheffler) at which point you can add another layer of options bringing in two of the previously mentioned WRs or RBs, in any combination thereof.

Other teams had him valued just about that highly apparently, so I'm not willing to call it an over pick, especially when I think that entire perspective is based on the trading of two 3rds for a 2nd and 4th. Lets assume they hadn't traded those picks and that Quinn somehow fell to #79. Would anyone actually be pissed off at them taking Seth Olsen at #85? He would've been a solid late 3rd selection, and instead was a steal for a late 4th slider.

Quinn's value will ultimately be determined by just how much McDaniels views his addition as being necessary to offensive success. He's commented on our poor scoring performances multiple times, I doubt he's blind to the fact that it was a predominantly red zone execution problem. If Quinn is never anything more than a solid blocking TE who makes a few catches inside the 20's and never becomes a starter, but the red zone offense starts punching drives in for touchdowns at a much higher rate, its hard to say it wasn't worth the pick.