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Bronco Rob
05-02-2009, 08:43 AM
Kyle Orton is here and Mark Sanchez is not.

Instead of a franchise quarterback, the Broncos took a franchise running back in Knowshon Moreno. Call draft day a win-win for Orton.

"There's no question about it, a good running game is the best friend for a quarterback," Orton said. "We've got a good group of running backs and Knowshon should fit in well."

The veteran Orton is attending the Broncos' rookie minicamp this weekend while the rookie Sanchez is nowhere near Dove Valley.

The Broncos thought about taking Sanchez, a pro-polished quarterback from USC, with their first pick in the NFL draft. They even flew to Los Angeles to give Sanchez a private workout five days before the draft, and discussed the possibility of moving

up as many as four spots from their No. 12 overall pick.
Rather quickly, the Broncos decided it would be too costly to move up in the draft, and as it turned out, they weren't going to get Sanchez. He went to the New York Jets with the far-too-pricey No. 5 pick, and the Broncos stayed still at No. 12 and took Moreno.

"Oh, yeah, you hear about it, but like I said before, you're going to compete for your job every year," said Orton, the most likely candidate to replace Jay Cutler as the Broncos' starting quarterback this year. "And I don't have a problem competing."

Most teams hold three minicamps during the offseason. Orton will participate in five. He had one with the Chicago Bears before he was dealt March 2 to the Broncos in the Cutler trade and will participate in four with the Broncos, who were granted an additional minicamp because McDaniels is a first-year coach.

Better believe Orton will receive his $100,000 workout bonus this offseason.

"He threw himself into the playbook," McDaniels said. "I don't know what time he's leaving here (tonight), but I know it's not early."

To be clear, Orton isn't proclaiming himself the starting quarterback, only that he's competing for the position with another veteran, Chris Simms. McDaniels says this, too, although Simms is the underdog after essentially not playing the past three seasons.

The Broncos wound up drafting a quarterback last weekend, but not until the sixth round, where they selected the raw but promising Tom Brandstater from Fresno State. For his rookie season, Brandstater will be asked to perform two functions: observe and absorb.

At least he didn't spend his first day Friday getting the rookie treatment from Orton or Simms.

"They could easily not help me at all, but they've taken a liking to me, I hope, and they've been helping me, and I'm appreciative of that," Brandstater said. "And when I mess up on the field, they give me the corrections in a nice way."

Brandstater will not present the threat Sanchez would have posed, not that Orton would have been inexperienced in such a situation. In 2005, Orton won 10 games, more than any rookie quarterback since the 1970 merger except for Ben Roethlisberger's 14 wins in 2004. Yet Orton was yanked as the starter before the 2005 playoffs.

By 2007, Orton was behind both Rex Grossman and Brian Griese and was so lightly regarded the Bears planned to replace him as the No. 3 quarterback by drafting Florida's Chris Leak.

"Didn't bother me at all," Orton said.

Orton outplayed Leak in the preseason, and by the end of 2007, the Bears reached an epiphany: There was something about Orton. He has been starting since.

Sanchez? Even if he had been drafted by the Broncos, no one should have been surprised if he spent his rookie season watching Orton play.

"I've certainly been through a lot the first four years of my career, but I'm excited to be here," Orton said. "I think I've done a lot of good things in this league and a lot more good things to go."



http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_12277522

BroncoBuff
05-02-2009, 08:54 AM
Chris Simms hasn't played in nearly three years, wow.

I wish we knew why Gruden and the Bucs turned on him so viciously after the ruptured spleen. Remember they immediately started spinning his injury as non-game related - even though it seemed kinda clear it happened on that leaping touchdown run. Then they signed about a million QBs and never really gave him a chance.

elsid13
05-02-2009, 09:00 AM
Chris Simms hasn't played in nearly three years, wow.

I wish we knew why Gruden and the Bucs turned on him so viciously after the ruptured spleen. Remember they immediately started spinning his injury as non-game related - even though it seemed kinda clear it happened on that leaping touchdown run. Then they signed about a million QBs and never really gave him a chance.

Maybe like the Bears "turned on" Orton, he isn't a starter in the NFL. Simms is nice back-up but after all this time in the league it appears that he isn't the man.

slyinky
05-02-2009, 09:22 AM
Chris Simms hasn't played in nearly three years, wow.

I wish we knew why Gruden and the Bucs turned on him so viciously after the ruptured spleen. Remember they immediately started spinning his injury as non-game related - even though it seemed kinda clear it happened on that leaping touchdown run. Then they signed about a million QBs and never really gave him a chance.
I found a couple of videos that touched on the subject, although without any real specifics.

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lostknight
05-02-2009, 09:45 AM
I have decent hopes for both of them as well as Tom Brandstater. I say that without irony, but also with the realization that quarterbacks who are just given the job every year are phenomenally rare, and we just got rid of one. Even Plummer wasn't that kind of QB.

It appears that Simms was a casualty of Gruden's damn the players, must win now and save money attitude. If Simms is back he could be a solid starter ala Jake.

Orton has upside in terms of game management, and should be more effective with a o-line to protect him, but I still don't see the arm strength in the pocket that will let him be successful down the field.

Tom Brandstater is raw, but has significant talent. I think he has a better arm then the other two (again, nothing compared to Cutler), but no sense in the pocket. He might compete well enough to be a mid-season or injury replacement.

Gort
05-02-2009, 10:05 AM
I wish we knew why Gruden and the Bucs turned on him so viciously after the ruptured spleen.

well, Gruden's always been a bit of an arsehole and there is also this feeling around the league's locker rooms that players play whether injured or not. if he'd have blown out his knee (a common NFL injury that other guys can relate to), i think the reaction would have been different. but a ruptured spleen is something very rare and probably not well understood and may have sounded like the sort of injury a malingerer would have to keep himself off the field if he didn't feel like playing. i'm not sure Gruden really understood how serious the injury was until all of the acrimonious stuff happened.

like Oakland, TB got tired of Gruden too and fired him an January.

NYBronco
05-02-2009, 10:39 AM
I watched Gruden briefly during some of the recent draft coverage and quickly understood why he was released fom the chokers and the bucs.

lostknight
05-02-2009, 10:55 AM
Remember also that Gruden's locker room turned on him hugely the second the coach was out of power.

BroncoFiend
05-02-2009, 11:09 AM
well, Gruden's always been a bit of an arsehole and there is also this feeling around the league's locker rooms that players play whether injured or not. if he'd have blown out his knee (a common NFL injury that other guys can relate to), i think the reaction would have been different. but a ruptured spleen is something very rare and probably not well understood and may have sounded like the sort of injury a malingerer would have to keep himself off the field if he didn't feel like playing. i'm not sure Gruden really understood how serious the injury was until all of the acrimonious stuff happened.

like Oakland, TB got tired of Gruden too and fired him an January.

Tampa bay gave 2 first round picks and 8 million dollars for Gruden, Oakland didn't get sick of him, they just got an offer that was too good to pass up.

Gruden did get a real reputation as the anti-player coach in Tampa though. He was cruel to Simms in so many ways. Plenty of players came out after he was released and talked about how glad they were that he was gone.

BroncoBuff
05-02-2009, 02:38 PM
I found a couple of videos that touched on the subject, although without any real specifics.

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Thanks so much for those ..... we'll keep them to re-visit come training camp.

Jesterhole
05-02-2009, 02:50 PM
Simms sucks, hard. As a U of Texas fan, I know all about this dude. He blows. He tanks under pressure, has a weak arm, can't fit a ball into any tight spaces, is immoble, yet still has a prima donna attitude that pisses of those in the huddle with him.

As bad as Orton sucks, I can't imagine Simms beating him out. Which makes me cry...because we've gone from one of the best QB situations in the NFL to one of the worst...with NOTHING to show for it but a one year wonder rookie LB and a smurf corner.

Way to go McDouchebag, I doubt I'll be happy watching football again until your sorry ass is fired.

telluride
05-02-2009, 02:53 PM
Simms sucks, hard. As a U of Texas fan, I know all about this dude. He blows. He tanks under pressure, has a weak arm, can't fit a ball into any tight spaces, is immoble, yet still has a prima donna attitude that pisses of those in the huddle with him.

As bad as Orton sucks, I can't imagine Simms beating him out. Which makes me cry...because we've gone from one of the best QB situations in the NFL to one of the worst...with NOTHING to show for it but a one year wonder rookie LB and a smurf corner.

Way to go McDouchebag, I doubt I'll be happy watching football again until your sorry ass is fired.

You really need to stay off the board for a while. What exactly are you hoping to accomplish by these rants?

Broncosfreak_56
05-02-2009, 02:54 PM
Simms sucks, hard. As a U of Texas fan, I know all about this dude. He blows. He tanks under pressure, has a weak arm, can't fit a ball into any tight spaces, is immoble, yet still has a prima donna attitude that pisses of those in the huddle with him.

As bad as Orton sucks, I can't imagine Simms beating him out. Which makes me cry...because we've gone from one of the best QB situations in the NFL to one of the worst...with NOTHING to show for it but a one year wonder rookie LB and a smurf corner.

Way to go McDouchebag, I doubt I'll be happy watching football again until your sorry ass is fired.

When will these retards get over it? Goddamn.

Florida_Bronco
05-02-2009, 03:03 PM
Chris Simms hasn't played in nearly three years, wow.

I wish we knew why Gruden and the Bucs turned on him so viciously after the ruptured spleen. Remember they immediately started spinning his injury as non-game related - even though it seemed kinda clear it happened on that leaping touchdown run. Then they signed about a million QBs and never really gave him a chance.

It's not hard to figure out. It's a sleazeball organization run by an ex Raider coach. They really care nothing about the players.

Jetmeck
05-02-2009, 03:12 PM
When will these retards get over it? Goddamn.

There is really no reason to get over it in my opinion. This was one the worst handled situations in NFL history.

I know for sure SHANNY got a good laugh over this McDoofus shipping out one the most promising QBs in the league. Sure Cutler could have handled it better but the rookie coach and his Bellicheck attitude are what pushed Jay into the corner in the first place.

So the rest of you who want us to get over keep blowing sunshine up our arse..........the whole Broncos organization has been set back because of this new rookie coach period.

Let me put it to you this way. The NFL NETWORK had King Carl Peterson (formerly the Chefs GM for about 15 years) on with others a few days ago even this idiot said multiple times the AFC WEST is glad Jay is gone. If this idiot understands it then maybe a few of you can too.

Broncosfreak_56
05-02-2009, 03:25 PM
There is really no reason to get over it in my opinion. This was one the worst handled situations in NFL history.

I know for sure SHANNY got a good laugh over this McDoofus shipping out one the most promising QBs in the league. Sure Cutler could have handled it better but the rookie coach and his Bellicheck attitude are what pushed Jay into the corner in the first place.

So the rest of you who want us to get over keep blowing sunshine up our arse..........the whole Broncos organization has been set back because of this new rookie coach period.

Let me put it to you this way. The NFL NETWORK had King Carl Peterson (formerly the Chefs GM for about 15 years) on with others a few days ago even this idiot said multiple times the AFC WEST is glad Jay is gone. If this idiot understands it then maybe a few of you can too.
I'm not saying I am happy about the situation, but its happened. Might as well move on with things.

Paladin
05-02-2009, 03:47 PM
Simms sucks, hard. As a U of Texas fan, I know all about this dude. He blows. He tanks under pressure, has a weak arm, can't fit a ball into any tight spaces, is immoble, yet still has a prima donna attitude that pisses of those in the huddle with him.

As bad as Orton sucks, I can't imagine Simms beating him out. Which makes me cry...because we've gone from one of the best QB situations in the NFL to one of the worst...with NOTHING to show for it but a one year wonder rookie LB and a smurf corner.

Way to go McDouchebag, I doubt I'll be happy watching football again until your sorry ass is fired.

Put this guy in the "NO" column......

Paladin
05-02-2009, 03:49 PM
There is really no reason to get over it in my opinion. This was one the worst handled situations in NFL history.

I know for sure SHANNY got a good laugh over this McDoofus shipping out one the most promising QBs in the league. Sure Cutler could have handled it better but the rookie coach and his Bellicheck attitude are what pushed Jay into the corner in the first place.

So the rest of you who want us to get over keep blowing sunshine up our arse..........the whole Broncos organization has been set back because of this new rookie coach period.

Let me put it to you this way. The NFL NETWORK had King Carl Peterson (formerly the Chefs GM for about 15 years) on with others a few days ago even this idiot said multiple times the AFC WEST is glad Jay is gone. If this idiot understands it then maybe a few of you can too.

Boo fugging Hoo.

fdf
05-02-2009, 04:01 PM
Way to go McDouchebag . . .

Try McPoopyHead or McStinkyFace next time. I think those have a nice ring to them.

But maybe you're just trying to sound grown up. McPoopyHead is kind of 6th grade, no? But "McDoucheBag" makes you sound like a great big middle schooler. When you get that old, you can say tough stuff like that.

Broncosfreak_56
05-02-2009, 04:03 PM
Try McPoopyHead or McStinkyFace next time. I think those have a nice ring to them.

But maybe you're just trying to sound grown up. McPoopyHead is kind of 6th grade, no? But "McDoucheBag" makes you sound like a great big middle schooler. When you get that old, you can say tough stuff like that.

If you want to sounds REALLY mature, say McExcrement. ^5

SonOfLe-loLang
05-02-2009, 04:22 PM
There is really no reason to get over it in my opinion. This was one the worst handled situations in NFL history.

I know for sure SHANNY got a good laugh over this McDoofus shipping out one the most promising QBs in the league. Sure Cutler could have handled it better but the rookie coach and his Bellicheck attitude are what pushed Jay into the corner in the first place.

So the rest of you who want us to get over keep blowing sunshine up our arse..........the whole Broncos organization has been set back because of this new rookie coach period.

Let me put it to you this way. The NFL NETWORK had King Carl Peterson (formerly the Chefs GM for about 15 years) on with others a few days ago even this idiot said multiple times the AFC WEST is glad Jay is gone. If this idiot understands it then maybe a few of you can too.

I'm still surprised that fully functioning adults barely find fault with Cutler's primadonna, childlike behavior. He's a class A douchbag.

Jetmeck
05-02-2009, 06:59 PM
I'm still surprised that fully functioning adults barely find fault with Cutler's primadonna, childlike behavior. He's a class A douchbag.

Well then sir....you just need to get over it ? Isn't that the standard line around here. You freakin idiots deep down know we F...... up here badly. You'll come around by about game 4.


BOO HOO is damn right. You'll be crying after a few games.

broncosteven
05-02-2009, 07:07 PM
Kyle Orton is here and Mark Sanchez is not.
...

Orton outplayed Leak in the preseason, and by the end of 2007, the Bears reached an epiphany: There was something about Orton. He has been starting since.

Sanchez? Even if he had been drafted by the Broncos, no one should have been surprised if he spent his rookie season watching Orton play.

"I've certainly been through a lot the first four years of my career, but I'm excited to be here," Orton said. "I think I've done a lot of good things in this league and a lot more good things to go."



http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_12277522

This article is weak.

DA BEARS thought so much of Orton that they started him for a year only to hold an early Mini-camp and then trade his ass.

I still think he will be a better QB for this rebuilding team but he is not going to win games for us. That D in Chicago won him a lot of games. Orton managed to do very little harm, he would make a good Dr some day.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
05-02-2009, 07:47 PM
Kyle Orton is here and Mark Sanchez is not.

Instead of a franchise quarterback, the Broncos took a franchise running back in Knowshon Moreno. Call draft day a win-win for Orton.

"There's no question about it, a good running game is the best friend for a quarterback," Orton said. "We've got a good group of running backs and Knowshon should fit in well."

The veteran Orton is attending the Broncos' rookie minicamp this weekend while the rookie Sanchez is nowhere near Dove Valley.

The Broncos thought about taking Sanchez, a pro-polished quarterback from USC, with their first pick in the NFL draft. They even flew to Los Angeles to give Sanchez a private workout five days before the draft, and discussed the possibility of moving

up as many as four spots from their No. 12 overall pick.
Rather quickly, the Broncos decided it would be too costly to move up in the draft, and as it turned out, they weren't going to get Sanchez. He went to the New York Jets with the far-too-pricey No. 5 pick, and the Broncos stayed still at No. 12 and took Moreno.

"Oh, yeah, you hear about it, but like I said before, you're going to compete for your job every year," said Orton, the most likely candidate to replace Jay Cutler as the Broncos' starting quarterback this year. "And I don't have a problem competing."

Most teams hold three minicamps during the offseason. Orton will participate in five. He had one with the Chicago Bears before he was dealt March 2 to the Broncos in the Cutler trade and will participate in four with the Broncos, who were granted an additional minicamp because McDaniels is a first-year coach.

Better believe Orton will receive his $100,000 workout bonus this offseason.

"He threw himself into the playbook," McDaniels said. "I don't know what time he's leaving here (tonight), but I know it's not early."

To be clear, Orton isn't proclaiming himself the starting quarterback, only that he's competing for the position with another veteran, Chris Simms. McDaniels says this, too, although Simms is the underdog after essentially not playing the past three seasons.

The Broncos wound up drafting a quarterback last weekend, but not until the sixth round, where they selected the raw but promising Tom Brandstater from Fresno State. For his rookie season, Brandstater will be asked to perform two functions: observe and absorb.

At least he didn't spend his first day Friday getting the rookie treatment from Orton or Simms.

"They could easily not help me at all, but they've taken a liking to me, I hope, and they've been helping me, and I'm appreciative of that," Brandstater said. "And when I mess up on the field, they give me the corrections in a nice way."

Brandstater will not present the threat Sanchez would have posed, not that Orton would have been inexperienced in such a situation. In 2005, Orton won 10 games, more than any rookie quarterback since the 1970 merger except for Ben Roethlisberger's 14 wins in 2004. Yet Orton was yanked as the starter before the 2005 playoffs.

By 2007, Orton was behind both Rex Grossman and Brian Griese and was so lightly regarded the Bears planned to replace him as the No. 3 quarterback by drafting Florida's Chris Leak.

"Didn't bother me at all," Orton said.

Orton outplayed Leak in the preseason, and by the end of 2007, the Bears reached an epiphany: There was something about Orton. He has been starting since.

Sanchez? Even if he had been drafted by the Broncos, no one should have been surprised if he spent his rookie season watching Orton play.

"I've certainly been through a lot the first four years of my career, but I'm excited to be here," Orton said. "I think I've done a lot of good things in this league and a lot more good things to go."



http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_12277522

lol

BroncoDoug
05-02-2009, 08:16 PM
Well then sir....you just need to get over it ? Isn't that the standard line around here. You freakin idiots deep down know we F...... up here badly. You'll come around by about game 4.


BOO HOO is damn right. You'll be crying after a few games.


How do you know after a few games we wont be 3-0? Why don't you wait a while and see how this team does before calling the guy names and claim to KNOW that we ****ed up. If we go 10-6 this year than we are already improved from the last three years, and all the McDaniel haters will change their tune...sheesh

If all you haters think we ****ed up so bad and know what we should have done better, get a job in the NFL and turn your team into a power house...

Popps
05-02-2009, 09:19 PM
Let me put it to you this way. The NFL NETWORK had King Carl Peterson (formerly the Chefs GM for about 15 years) on with others a few days ago even this idiot said multiple times the AFC WEST is glad Jay is gone. If this idiot understands it then maybe a few of you can too.

So, you're quoting "idiots" as the means to back up your argument?

Interesting tactics. Basically, if we don't take your word for it... we should ask a guy who has a proven track record of not knowing a QB if one fell out of a tree and landed on him?

Gotcha.

BroncoBuff
05-03-2009, 11:11 AM
There is really no reason to get over it in my opinion. This was one the worst handled situations in NFL history.

I know for sure SHANNY got a good laugh over this McDoofus shipping out one the most promising QBs in the league. Sure Cutler could have handled it better but the rookie coach and his Bellicheck attitude are what pushed Jay into the corner in the first place.

So the rest of you who want us to get over keep blowing sunshine up our arse..........the whole Broncos organization has been set back because of this new rookie coach period.
Agreed mostly ... but I'm past the anger now. Hope you get there too ...


The NFL NETWORK had King Carl Peterson (formerly the Chefs GM for about 15 years) on with others a few days ago even this idiot said multiple times the AFC WEST is glad Jay is gone. If this idiot understands it then maybe a few of you can too.
Definitely .... and the Seahawks also know what time it is:

1. The Broncos and Bears were about even last year.
2. Jay Cutler goes from Denver to Chicago
3. The Seahawks demand DENVER'S 1st rounder next year instead of Chicago's.


So now it's Peterson, the AFC West and the Seahawks all agreeing it's very likely the Bears are the winners here, at least for 2009.

Jesterhole
05-03-2009, 11:14 AM
When will these retards get over it? Goddamn.

I'm a retard for seeing the best young QB leave our team and go to another, with nothing to replace him, and not being happy about it. WOW, you McDaniels fan boys need your friggin' head checked.

That is fine if other people are happy with it. I'm not...we lost one of the best players in the NFL because our coach needs people skills. Was Jay acting like crap through out this? Yes. Does that matter to me? No, because he is a such a great QB...and I'm not married to him.

The NFL is laughing at Josh McDaniels and this organization now because of the mistake after mistake this kid has made since taking over for one of the greatest head coaches in NFL history.

If you people are happy with Orton and a couple of picks for Cutler, then you're probably in the same boat as the Colts fans who thought Elway was a cry baby, and were glad to see him off to Denver. We all know how well that went...

Jesterhole
05-03-2009, 11:17 AM
Agreed mostly ... but I'm past the anger now. Hope you get there too ...

I'm not over the anger, and won't be until the franchise is back on track. I'm also amazed/confused by the attitude from people on here that are glad that Jay is gone. I makes NO sense, no matter how much of a douche he was acting like. If you're a fan of the Denver Broncos, your team just got a hell of a lot worse.

BroncoBuff
05-03-2009, 11:30 AM
I'm also amazed/confused by the attitude from people on here that are glad that Jay is gone. I makes NO sense, no matter how much of a douche he was acting like. If you're a fan of the Denver Broncos, your team just got a hell of a lot worse.

Word.

It is VERY strange that some people are "glad" he's gone ... that's just nuts. I'll bet they're mostly Republicans, in the sense they disapprove of dissent, and seem to espouse, "you're either with us or against us."

Meck77
05-03-2009, 12:50 PM
Word.

It is VERY strange that some people are "glad" he's gone ... that's just nuts. I'll bet they're mostly Republicans, in the sense they disapprove of dissent, and seem to espouse, "you're either with us or against us."

Ha!

Relating political affiliation to McJaygate. Buff you just can't get enough board controversy can you? lol

skpac1001
05-03-2009, 01:02 PM
Ha!

Relating political affiliation to McJaygate. Buff you just can't get enough board controversy can you? lol

I am hoping he is having some fun, since his post is so ironic if turned on itself.

Shoemaker
05-03-2009, 01:39 PM
Word.

It is VERY strange that some people are "glad" he's gone ... that's just nuts. I'll bet they're mostly Republicans, in the sense they disapprove of dissent, and seem to espouse, "you're either with us or against us."

I'm not sure why its strange at all.

Yes, Cutler was a very impressive talent. One of the best young QBs in the league. Trading him was not something I wanted to do at first.

However, as more and more details have come out about this situation, I've become less and less impressed with how Jay handled it.

Saying that he plays for his teammates and then refusing to show up at the first offensive minicamp? Not good.

Refusing to return calls from the owner of the team, the guy that gave him the chance to play football and has made him a millionaire? Not good.

Formally requesting a trade, then lying that he "didn't want to be traded" to make himself look like the victim in the situation? Not good.

Supposedly high-fiving and celebrating with his teammates as soon as he learned he was traded after publicly expressing "regret" to the media? Not good.

Calling Denver fans "not passionate" AFTER lying to them and turning his back on them? Definitely not good.

I'm not denying that I liked Jay's talent and that I'll miss it. However, the bottom line remains that he didn't want to play for this team. He turned his back on this team, and then lied about it.

THAT's why I'm glad he's gone and we've got quarterbacks who actually want to play for this team here. Because some of the things he did during this situation, to be honest, made me forget all about his rocket arm.

ZONA
05-03-2009, 02:19 PM
Orton has upside in terms of game management, and should be more effective with a o-line to protect him, but I still don't see the arm strength in the pocket that will let him be successful down the field.



You mean sorta how Montana didn't have a very strong arm but still was a good downfield passer and maybe the best QB ever to play the game?

Don't confuse arm strength with being able to throw the ball downfield. Yeah, Montana wasn't chucking it 70 yards in the air and neither will Orton but you don't need a canon to be able to make good downfield throws. You need talent between the ears more so then in the shoulder.

zdoor
05-03-2009, 02:47 PM
Orton was supposed to do an interview on Sirus radio today. They advertised it all morning long. While I heard ad after ad never heard the interview. Anybody listen in and willing to post a recap??

Br0nc0Buster
05-03-2009, 03:31 PM
You mean sorta how Montana didn't have a very strong arm but still was a good downfield passer and maybe the best QB ever to play the game?

Don't confuse arm strength with being able to throw the ball downfield. Yeah, Montana wasn't chucking it 70 yards in the air and neither will Orton but you don't need a canon to be able to make good downfield throws. You need talent between the ears more so then in the shoulder.

Yeah I dont understand the armstrengh questions myself.
Orton doesnt have a cannon, but his arm is not a hinderance.

I think people here think that armstrength is an issue for everyone not named Jay Cutler

Drek
05-03-2009, 03:58 PM
I'm not over the anger, and won't be until the franchise is back on track. I'm also amazed/confused by the attitude from people on here that are glad that Jay is gone. I makes NO sense, no matter how much of a douche he was acting like. If you're a fan of the Denver Broncos, your team just got a hell of a lot worse.

I see a team that has gotten better at every single position on the team with the exception of QB, that has gotten a significant upgrade across the defensive staff, that retained the two best offensive coaches, and has replaced the offensive play caller with a coach so grossly his superior that comparison is laughable.

We also changed from a head coach who stopped practicing what he preached (fair competition) and instead let favortism, nepotism, and tenure make his decisions for him at all levels of the organization for a head coach who truly espouses a team first mentality, isn't afraid to be up front and blunt with his players about it, and holds all players on the roster to the same standard.

I'd say we've gotten a hell of a lot better overall. We've got a pretty rough non-divisional schedule this year so the record might not show it, but from my viewpoint we're better odds to win the division this year than we were last year when Shanahan and Cutler both guaranteed it. That might be a 7-9 division title, but still closer.

TonyR
05-03-2009, 04:07 PM
Definitely .... and the Seahawks also know what time it is:

1. The Broncos and Bears were about even last year.
2. Jay Cutler goes from Denver to Chicago
3. The Seahawks demand DENVER'S 1st rounder next year instead of Chicago's.

So now it's Peterson, the AFC West and the Seahawks all agreeing it's very likely the Bears are the winners here, at least for 2009.

That's a bit of an over-simplification. Or perhaps an over-complication, depending how you look at it...

I think the reasons to pick Chicago to do better than Denver are more than just Cutler vs. Orton. It's more the fact that Denver is rebuilding: a substantially new coaching staff, a lot of roster turnover, and new schemes on both sides of the ball. Add in the fact that Denver plays a very difficult schedule on paper and of course the safe bet is on Chicago.

BroncoBuff
05-03-2009, 04:11 PM
That's a bit of an over-simplification. Or perhaps an over-complication, depending how you look at it...

I think the reasons to pick Chicago to do better than Denver are more than just Cutler vs. Orton. It's more the fact that Denver is rebuilding: a substantially new coaching staff, a lot of roster turnover, and new schemes on both sides of the ball. Add in the fact that Denver plays a very difficult schedule on paper and of course the safe bet is on Chicago.

Point taken.

TonyR
05-03-2009, 04:12 PM
...the rookie coach and his Bellicheck attitude are what pushed Jay into the corner in the first place.


And nobody puts Baby in a corner...

Jetmeck
05-03-2009, 08:32 PM
If you people are happy with Orton and a couple of picks for Cutler, then you're probably in the same boat as the Colts fans who thought Elway was a cry baby, and were glad to see him off to Denver. We all know how well that went...

Maybe even POPPS will understand that.
Damn good point.

Popps
05-03-2009, 10:57 PM
Maybe even POPPS will understand that.
Damn good point.

:rofl:

Yea, because Cutler is Elway.

Stellar stuff, guys. Did you collaborate on that effort? Really solid. The act is coming right along.