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UberBroncoMan
05-01-2009, 11:33 PM
Am I the only one that's really weirded out by a Safety having TD's number and a RB having a number that's associated with Atwater and R.I.P. D Will.

ADDED #56

I thought it should be important to note that the last player to wear #56 on our active roster (Al Wilson) went to the University of Tennessee just like Ayres. I'm inclined to believe that's why Ayres chose the number (out of respect and to honor a follow Volunteer).

Florida_Bronco
05-01-2009, 11:49 PM
Am I the only one that's really weirded out by a Safety having TD's number and a RB having a number that's associated with Atwater and R.I.P. D Will.

Why would you be weirded out by it? Lots of players wore #30 and #27 before TD, Atwater and D-Will and I'm sure they played RB, CB and Safety. Players have worn those numbers afterward. Santonio Beard and Ahmaad Galloway wore #30 and @27 respectively, and they both played RB.

Ultimately, it's just a number.

Florida_Bronco
05-01-2009, 11:50 PM
Oh yeah, I forgot that Mike Bell wore #30 in 2007 as well.

Broncomutt
05-02-2009, 02:35 AM
I'd like to see 27 retired. Atwater definitely earned it IMO. Shortly after I met him after a MNF game at RFK, that's the number I chose for my HS lacrosse team.

Love TD, but he just wasn't around long enough IMO. Having said that, if his number ever got retired, I certainly wouldn't object.

EDIT: Somebody should start a petition. Seriously, I bet Pat would listen to 10k signatures. You could get that out front of 1 or 2 home games easily. I bet even opposing team fans would sign it for Atwater.

Prodigal19
05-02-2009, 02:55 AM
Pretty sure Pat has already said that he is only going to retire numbers of players at the same level as Elway. Sorry but Atwater wasn't quite that caliber.

The Joker
05-02-2009, 03:04 AM
I think they should have a semi-retirement of certain numbers for a 5 year period after a great player has worn it.

Would be a nice gesture in certain instances like D-Will as well.

Very few, if any, will reach Elway level again in Denver. So a semi-retirement would be a nice gesture I think.

As it stands though, I've no problem with Moreno and Bruton wearing the two numbers.

Broncomutt
05-02-2009, 04:01 AM
Pretty sure Pat has already said that he is only going to retire numbers of players at the same level as Elway. Sorry but Atwater wasn't quite that caliber.

That's unfortunate. I mean, who the hell is ever going to be at the level of Elway?

EDIT: Sharpe I suppose.

cutthemdown
05-02-2009, 04:12 AM
Teams usually retire numbers easier early in their histories. As the get older they realize they will run out of numbers so they stick to the real HOFer.

If a player makes HOF I think that should automatically retire his number.

chickennob2
05-02-2009, 05:10 AM
I don't know if this changes any of your opinions:

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcwest/0-3-2124/Moreno-to-wear-special-number-in-Denver.html

No. 27 is back in circulation in Denver.

The number was put on hiatus as a tribute to slain cornerback Darrent Williams. The popular Williams, who was 24 at the time of his death, was shot and killed in downtown Denver on Jan. 1, 2007, hours after the team's season ended.

After not being used the past two seasons, the number will be worn by Denver rookie running back Knowshon Moreno. The Broncos picked Moreno, out of Georgia, with the 12th choice in last weekend's draft. He is expected to be the starting running back for an offense that may become more run-oriented in the wake of the Jay Cutler trade to Chicago.

Moreno, who wore No. 24 in college (that's worn by All-Pro cornerback Champ Bailey in Denver), asked for the number this week. The Broncos then called Williams' mother, Rosalind Williams, to ask permission to use the number. The Williams family called the Broncos back and gave their blessing for Moreno to wear the number -- on one condition.

They plan to ask Moreno to donate a few hours of his time each month to the Darrent Williams Teen Center, which was opened in a low-income part of Denver last May to honor the Williams' memory. Moreno wore the number at the team's minicamp practice Friday.

"We knew that number wasn't going to be on the shelf forever," said Troy Asmus, the Williams family's spokesman. "We would like Knowshon to be part of the community center to help with the growth and maturation of these kids."

ludo21
05-02-2009, 05:21 AM
I dont mind seeing the numbers. I was against DWILL using that number but he proved me wrong with how he played.

Im sure Knowshon will do fine, and seeing #30 on Defense will be so odd it wont remind me of DAvis anyway

TheChamp24
05-02-2009, 06:50 AM
I have no problem with it in the NFL, only a select few numbers to choose from with a very large roster size.

Pony Boy
05-02-2009, 07:23 AM
When I see #36, I still see Billy Thompson and #75 Rulon Jones so you see every generation has a different perspective on this issue.

I think Elway, Little and Traipucka are the only retired numbers?

Kaylore
05-02-2009, 07:26 AM
I'm against retiring numbers unless they are of Elway's calibre. Just because someone wears number 27 doesn't detract from what Atwater did for us. Same goes for 30. I've moved on and accepted they're not here.

BroncoBuff
05-02-2009, 07:32 AM
The Broncos then called Williams' mother, Rosalind Williams, to ask permission to use the number. The Williams family called the Broncos back and gave their blessing for Moreno to wear the number -- on one condition.

They plan to ask Moreno to donate a few hours of his time each month to the Darrent Williams Teen Center, which was opened in a low-income part of Denver last May to honor the Williams' memory.
Wow ... a phone call before you mess around with somebody's place and identity with the team.

I guess they're learning ....

ColoradoDarin
05-02-2009, 07:41 AM
Wow ... a phone call before you mess around with somebody's place and identity with the team.

I guess they're learning ....

Are you serious?

Darrent was MURDERED, Jay was just talked about in some trade scenarios. It's not even the same ballpark.

That's so messed up. You should take a break from all things Broncos if you really feel this way.

bpc
05-02-2009, 07:42 AM
Wow ... a phone call before you mess around with somebody's place and identity with the team.

I guess they're learning ....

I have a lot of respect for what Knowshon did. That was a great thought. Here is a man that just got to Denver but knows about our team, our history and the players before him who have put it down for the orange and blue.

Moreno just got a lot of points based on that.

One thing I can say about all the new recruits, I think they are all great people. This is just another example of that being true.

cmhargrove
05-02-2009, 07:50 AM
A number is a number.

Players make the jersey great. Is there anyone here that doesn't love Atwater or hold all our present and future safeties up to his standard? His play and legacy stand with or without a jersey number, the dude was a gamer for the ages.

Same with TD.

Now, let someone else continue the legacy and try to live up to the same number. It's just a number. Do the team proud every day with your efforts, earn the jersey.

BroncoBuff
05-02-2009, 07:57 AM
Are you serious?

Darrent was MURDERED, Jay was just talked about in some trade scenarios. It's not even the same ballpark.

That's so messed up. You should take a break from all things Broncos if you really feel this way.

Don't see the problem, made no reference to the nature of the identity and place.


And, "take a break from all things Broncos"? Really? :~ohyah!:

ColoradoDarin
05-02-2009, 08:03 AM
Don't see the problem, made no reference to the nature of the identity and place.


And, "take a break from all things Broncos"? Really? :~ohyah!:

Oh, you're just being a douche. Got it. Nice work dude. :welcome:

Kaylore
05-02-2009, 08:16 AM
A number is a number.

Players make the jersey great. Is there anyone here that doesn't love Atwater or hold all our present and future safeties up to his standard? His play and legacy stand with or without a jersey number, the dude was a gamer for the ages.

Same with TD.

Now, let someone else continue the legacy and try to live up to the same number. It's just a number. Do the team proud every day with your efforts, earn the jersey.
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Rock Chalk
05-02-2009, 08:18 AM
I think they should have a semi-retirement of certain numbers for a 5 year period after a great player has worn it.

Would be a nice gesture in certain instances like D-Will as well.

Very few, if any, will reach Elway level again in Denver. So a semi-retirement would be a nice gesture I think.

As it stands though, I've no problem with Moreno and Bruton wearing the two numbers.

I like this idea. Its a good way to honor great players for the team without losing numbers permanently or to honor their tragic deaths.

I think the black stickers should have been permanent or at least lasted 5 years or so. JMO.

sisterhellfyre
05-02-2009, 11:11 AM
Now, let someone else continue the legacy and try to live up to the same number. It's just a number. Do the team proud every day with your efforts, earn the jersey.

I've seen teams where rookies don't get their names on the back of the jersey until they earn it. I like the touch, as it gives them something more to work toward after first making the team. No letdown or relaxing just because they made the squad.

HEAV
05-02-2009, 11:45 AM
No biggie with the numbers. Plus they could change by the time the season starts. Nothing is official now, it's just a # to tell whom is whom for now.

Once numbers start free'n up I'm sure will will see a few number swaps.

titan
05-02-2009, 11:56 AM
Not many #27's at running back for the Broncos. I remember going to "kids day" at Bears stadium in the 60's and I got an autograph from this #27 Bronco running back:

http://tinyurl.com/cgj2v7

telluride
05-02-2009, 12:02 PM
Actually, according to an updated version of the Post article, Knowshon made the call to DWill's mom:

Moreno personally called Rosalind Williams, Darrent's mother, earlier this week to ask if he could wear the number. Rosalind gave her blessing.

Classy move by the rookie.

HEAV
05-02-2009, 12:55 PM
Actually, according to an updated version of the Post article, Knowshon made the call to DWill's mom:



Classy move by the rookie.

You really have to like the kid.

Hogan11
05-02-2009, 02:34 PM
That was a class move by Knowshon, but that's what I'd expect out of a Gerogia man :)

I support the Elway standard for number retiring. As far as DWill's number goes....yes it was tragic how he was murdered, but that aside, he really wasn't all that great of a CB, certainly not to the level of having his number retired. I realize he was a fan favortie, but retiring his number? Please.

HEAV
05-02-2009, 03:00 PM
That was a class move by Knowshon, but that's what I'd expect out of a Gerogia man :)

I support the Elway standard for number retiring. As far as DWill's number goes....yes it was tragic how he was murdered, but that aside, he really wasn't all that great of a CB, certainly not to the level of having his number retired. I realize he was a fan favortie, but retiring his number? Please.

Agree.

Atwater holds the number 27 more than D-Will did (IMO)

One number that I'd hate to see used is 80.

maher_tyler
05-02-2009, 04:39 PM
Teams usually retire numbers easier early in their histories. As the get older they realize they will run out of numbers so they stick to the real HOFer.

If a player makes HOF I think that should automatically retire his number.

I agree!

footstepsfrom#27
05-02-2009, 04:43 PM
I'd like to see 27 retired. Atwater definitely earned it IMO...I bet even opposing team fans would sign it for Atwater.
Yep. I'm pretty sure nobody thinks "footstepfrom#27" has anything to do with Galloway or even D-Wil. People heard that cat coming even when he wasn't.

broncosteven
05-02-2009, 04:48 PM
I'm against retiring numbers unless they are of Elway's calibre. Just because someone wears number 27 doesn't detract from what Atwater did for us. Same goes for 30. I've moved on and accepted they're not here.

I am actually sad that my son will never get to see a Bronco's QB wear #7 ever again. I grew up Pre-Morton, I didn't like it when John used 7 at 1st then I felt like every starter for the Broncos should wear 7. It is the perfect QB #.

sisterhellfyre
05-02-2009, 04:50 PM
If we retire numbers when a player makes the HOF... weeelll, pretty soon Pittsburgh, Chicago and Dallas will have to use hexadecimal characters instead of regular numbers. I can hear it now:

"And here comes Fred Whatsisname into the game, formerly number 27 but now wearing 1B for Dallas. You gotta watch this kid carefully on defense, he's a real escape artist out of the backfield..."

maher_tyler
05-02-2009, 05:00 PM
Actually, according to an updated version of the Post article, Knowshon made the call to DWill's mom:



Classy move by the rookie.

WOW...classy indeed..this may just sway me into buying his jersey!!

skunk
05-02-2009, 05:02 PM
Kill Selvin Young

maher_tyler
05-02-2009, 05:03 PM
If we retire numbers when a player makes the HOF... weeelll, pretty soon Pittsburgh, Chicago and Dallas will have to use hexadecimal characters instead of regular numbers. I can hear it now:

"And here comes Fred Whatsisname into the game, formerly number 27 but now wearing 1B for Dallas. You gotta watch this kid carefully on defense, he's a real escape artist out of the backfield..."

LOL

BroncoBuff
05-02-2009, 07:35 PM
Kill Selvin Young

Man, you are one twisted sumb**** aren't ya?

Is this a subtle act, a persona you're trying out?