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Ramathorn
04-30-2009, 10:57 AM
This is from my espn Saints shopping for backfield help?
Upon the release of Edgerrin James earlier this week, the New Orleans Saints were mentioned as a possible destination, given the Saints' current backfield situation: somewhat untested Pierre Thomas looking to build on his 129-carry 2008 season, and electrifying yet injury-prone Reggie Bush as the X factor.
There's another option if the Saints don't land James, that being a trade. In his Diner Morning News column today, Michael Lombardi of the National Football Post throws out the possibility that the Saints could be calling teams around the league to assess the availability of some superfluous runners. In particular, Lombardi mentions the Denver Broncos, who have a veritable army of backs on the roster after a free-agency bonanza and the drafting of Knowshon Moreno; the Dallas Cowboys, a team that will begin 2009 with a three-headed monster in the backfield if no changes are made; and the New York Jets, who have yet to appease Thomas Jones with a new deal.

Of those three, the most likely deal would be made with the Broncos. The new management duo of coach Josh McDaniels and Brian Xanders has proved it doesn't let emotional ties get in the way of improving the team, as franchise quarterback Jay Cutler was first denigrated in the media and then traded away to the Chicago Bears. To this end, it wouldn't be surprising to see the Broncos trade away some other holdovers from the previous administration, and either Peyton Hillis, Ryan Torain or Selvin Young could be had on the cheap.

The Saints don't have much to spend under the salary cap - some estimates have them about $2 million under the cap number after signing their rookie class - but that could be enough room to sign Edge to an incentive-laden deal. Failing that, a trade would seem quite likely.
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I could deal with torain or young being traded, but not Hillis. We need a stud fb/rb who can spell knowshon. Who would we be wanting to acquire from the saints? Any suggestions?

SonOfLe-loLang
04-30-2009, 10:59 AM
I read this. its all lombardi speculation. He looked at our roster and saw we had a lot of running backs.

Rohirrim
04-30-2009, 11:00 AM
Do they have any short and slow CBs? ;D

rugbythug
04-30-2009, 11:00 AM
Were is the smiley for Poop Meets Wall?

The Joker
04-30-2009, 11:02 AM
Aside from Hillis, none of our backs have much trade value really.

Maybe a late round/conditional pick for Selvin, but I assume they'll want a more physical back rather than a starving man's Reggie Bush like Selvin.

SureShot
04-30-2009, 11:04 AM
Hillis would be a nice replacement for McCallister.

Tombstone RJ
04-30-2009, 11:05 AM
If the Broncos trade Hillis, that will suprise me some.

Beantown Bronco
04-30-2009, 11:05 AM
If this were a poll, I'd go with the conditional 2010 pick crowd.

Rabb
04-30-2009, 11:06 AM
Please let it be Selvin, I cannot stand him

SonOfLe-loLang
04-30-2009, 11:06 AM
I'll be the first to be pissed off if we traded Peyton.

Gcver2ver3
04-30-2009, 11:08 AM
we wouldn't get a player from them for the bums on our roster...

so we'd get at the most a 2010 6th round pick...maybe...

Natedog24
04-30-2009, 11:10 AM
Please Selvin and not Hillis!

**fingers crossed**

Slade
04-30-2009, 11:12 AM
Of the RBs on the roster the only only who doesn't seem to have a place and might have some trade value is Buckhalter.

Cut Young...he is worthless!

Torrain hasn't proven anything yet. Arrington is our new KR. Jordan is our short yardage back. Hillis is our FB of the future.

telluride
04-30-2009, 11:13 AM
If we trade one, it'll be from the Arrington, Jordan, Buck contingent. (Not to say Selvin or Torain are safe; I think they'll get cut.)

Rabb
04-30-2009, 11:19 AM
if I am the Saints I don't want Torain, all he has proven is that he gets hurt

Jordan is safe, he knows the system and I think they really like Arrington based on their not giving up on getting him even when it did not make sense

I would say Buck, Young and unfortunately Hillis are the targets if I had to guess and I will be flaming ****ing superfly TNT throw aids infected cobras on fire at your crotch while throwing you in a locked room filled with hungry tigers pissed if they get rid of Hillis

worm
04-30-2009, 11:20 AM
Trading a RB for Charles Grant would be interesting.....but the $$$ Grant is getting probably preclude a trade.

SonOfLe-loLang
04-30-2009, 11:20 AM
WHatever, this is just a baseless rumor anyway

Los Broncos
04-30-2009, 11:20 AM
Do they have any injury prone LB's.

socalorado
04-30-2009, 11:22 AM
if I am the Saints I don't want Trrain, all he has proven is that he gets hurt

Jordan is safe, he knows the system and I think they really like Arrington based on their not giving up on getting him even when it did not make sense

I would say Buck, Young and unfortunately Hillis are the targets if I had to guess and I will be flaming ****ing superfly TNT throw aids infected cobras on fire at your crotch while throwing you in a locked room filled with hungry tigers pissed if they get rid of Hillis

So your sayin you wanna trade Hillis?

Gcver2ver3
04-30-2009, 11:22 AM
Please let it be Selvin, I cannot stand him

it won't be Selvin, that's for sure...

the Saints have been looking for a compliment to Bush, not his backup...

they want a power back because Pierre Thomas is no power back...

so that leaves Jordan, Torrain, and Hillis....and like most, i certainly wouldn't want Hillis to be traded...

Mogulseeker
04-30-2009, 11:22 AM
Please let it be Selvin, I cannot stand him

Mr. fumble

Rabb
04-30-2009, 11:33 AM
Mr. fumble

he just seems to deflate anything good happening on the field, polar opposite of Hillis

Rabb
04-30-2009, 11:33 AM
So your sayin you wanna trade Hillis?

:rofl:

~Crash~
04-30-2009, 11:52 AM
If the Broncos trade Hillis, that will suprise me some.


how ? this Coach has rocks for brains .

barryr
04-30-2009, 11:56 AM
Unless they plan to not use a FB, I don't see why Hillis would be traded. Buckhalter could be the guy though, unless Jordan doesn't impress at all.

Bob
04-30-2009, 11:57 AM
If the Broncos trade Hillis, that will suprise me some.

Not me -- we have some extra power backs, all of whom were brought in by McDaniels.

Pick Six
04-30-2009, 12:00 PM
Trade? Oh, yeah...um...If the Saints are reading this, ALL our running backs can easily get 2k. Pick one that's not named Hillis or Moreno...:wiggle:

dbfan21
04-30-2009, 12:02 PM
Were is the smiley for Poop Meets Wall?

LOL

dbfan21
04-30-2009, 12:04 PM
if I am the Saints I don't want Torain, all he has proven is that he gets hurt

Jordan is safe, he knows the system and I think they really like Arrington based on their not giving up on getting him even when it did not make sense

I would say Buck, Young and unfortunately Hillis are the targets if I had to guess and I will be flaming ****ing superfly TNT throw aids infected cobras on fire at your crotch while throwing you in a locked room filled with hungry tigers pissed if they get rid of Hillis

So in other words you'd be mildly upset? Ha!

OBF1
04-30-2009, 12:05 PM
Someone post the Captain Picard picture please

FantomForce
04-30-2009, 12:06 PM
Either way by the start of the season Torian or Selvin will be gone, maybe both

Rabb
04-30-2009, 12:16 PM
So in other words you'd be mildly upset? Ha!

lil' bit ROFL!

footstepsfrom#27
04-30-2009, 12:32 PM
Not me -- we have some extra power backs, all of whom were brought in by McDaniels.
And none are as good or versitile as Hillis. I don't trust this guy to get value in a trade either. If he ships this guy out of here for no good reason just because he's a Shanny guy I bet a few McD apologists will switch sides.

BroncoLifer
04-30-2009, 12:34 PM
.....Hillis is our FB of the future.

The future? Hillis is our FB of the NOW. The only other one on the roster was just cut.

OBF1
04-30-2009, 12:39 PM
And none are as good or versitile as Hillis. I don't trust this guy to get value in a trade either. If he ships this guy out of here for no good reason just because he's a Shanny guy I bet a few McD apologists will switch sides.

Or he ships out guys that just plain old suck. Start your bashing crap ONCE/IF something is done.

footstepsfrom#27
04-30-2009, 12:42 PM
Or he ships out guys that just plain old suck. Start your bashing crap ONCE/IF something is done.
I know you're not the sharpest tack in the box but do you at least know what "if" means?

UberBroncoMan
04-30-2009, 12:45 PM
Trade LaMont Jordan :).

We gut ****ing Knowshon now on top of a plethora of other backs. We don't need two 31 year old backs on the roster, and we don't need to give up the amazing talent Hillis has.

If we trade Hillis I think more people will hate McDaniels than they did over the Cutler fiasco.

socalorado
04-30-2009, 12:51 PM
Someone post the Captain Picard picture please

Who the F is capt pickard?

Beantown Bronco
04-30-2009, 12:59 PM
Who the F is capt pickard?

Star Trek Capt - it's one of the classic facepalm pics that pops up around here on a fairly regular basis.

NFLBRONCO
04-30-2009, 01:02 PM
I'd figure it would be Hillis that would interest the Saints most. If it was me Hillis SHOULD BE offlimits.

socalorado
04-30-2009, 01:05 PM
Star Trek Capt - it's one of the classic facepalm pics that pops up around here on a fairly regular basis.

Oh the facepalm! I use it all the time!
The bald dude with psychic, telekinetic powers.

Yeah, got it ^5

Beantown Bronco
04-30-2009, 01:12 PM
I just heard on the light rail that all the running backs skipped out on today's position meetings, went home and called their agents to demand a trade. Moreno included.

kamakazi_kal
04-30-2009, 01:37 PM
if a trade happens it will be a shanny holdover. Jordan, Arrington and Buck were all pickups by Mcd. They fit his system. Torrain has shown nothing.

I agree that Young would not fit in what the saints want being they have bush and pierre. Young does not fill the shoes of what they lost with Duce.

Hillis unfortunatly fits that bill to perfection.

kamakazi_kal
04-30-2009, 01:41 PM
I'd figure it would be Hillis that would interest the Saints most. If it was me Hillis SHOULD BE offlimits.

...

mr007
04-30-2009, 01:45 PM
I will fly to Denver, find McD's house, rrraa seduce his wife, cum on her face, slaughter his pets (if any), wait for him to get home, tie him up, piss on him, and burn his house down with him in it....

if he trades Hillis. So let's just keep Peyton on the team and all will be fine!

Let's trade Jordan, Arrington, Young, AND Boss Bailey to the Saints for a 3rd next year.

rugbythug
04-30-2009, 01:48 PM
I will fly to Denver, find McD's house, rrraa seduce his wife, cum on her face, slaughter his pets (if any), wait for him to get home, tie him up, piss on him, and burn his house down with him in it....

if he trades Hillis. So let's just keep Peyton on the team and all will be fine!

As long as you don't get all Crazy about it.

epicSocialism4tw
04-30-2009, 01:52 PM
Maybe we can trade them McD and Xanders for a 7th?

Smiling Assassin27
04-30-2009, 02:01 PM
So your sayin you wanna trade Hillis?

ok fine...hillis for brees, straight up...:thumbsup:

elsid13
04-30-2009, 02:07 PM
Unless they plan to not use a FB, I don't see why Hillis would be traded. Buckhalter could be the guy though, unless Jordan doesn't impress at all.

The Pats offense rarely used a FB, expect for short yardage. That when they used a LB to fill full that role. We have Larson to do that if they need blocker.

footstepsfrom#27
04-30-2009, 02:14 PM
His statement a few days was ominous in it's lack of clarity. Asked about Hillis, he said he would "find ways to use him". At the time I commented that's not what you usually say regarding a starter...this was before he drafted Moreno.

Might one of those "ways" be for a 5th rounder?

Based on the draft that's about what I see him trading Hillis for. It would seem insanely stupid to trade this versitile, hard working inside runner because we have a shiny new toy whose never taken a snap in the NFL and a bunch of aging vets past their primes. What we get in return would not be worth what we'd lose in Hillis.

supermanhr9
04-30-2009, 02:29 PM
give up anybody but HIllis,, he is the man.

crush17
04-30-2009, 02:35 PM
I've been a staunch supporter of McDaniels throughout this offseason, but if Hillis goes, I will not support that move in any way.

ZONA
04-30-2009, 02:43 PM
You can't look at this like who would we want to give up, you have to view it through the Saints eyes. Who would they want? They already have Bush so I doubt they would want either Arrington or Young, too similar. They want somebody healthy and somewhat proven, they don't want to take big risks. That leaves Hillis and Torrain out of it because both are coming off season ending injuries. I bet the Saints would only be interested in Buckhalter.

Paladin
04-30-2009, 02:48 PM
People need to open up their Temporal lobes and listen! This is a speulative piece written by some nitwit about nothing except to fill spaces and inches.


But, then he writes for nitwits, too, doesn't he?

Bob
04-30-2009, 04:16 PM
And none are as good or versitile as Hillis. I don't trust this guy to get value in a trade either. If he ships this guy out of here for no good reason just because he's a Shanny guy I bet a few McD apologists will switch sides.

Yup -- the truth is all will be forgiven, if we have a great year ... I just happen to be in the camp, that thinks that McDaniel's has more than reached in the draft, and hope that he doesnt continue to blowup the good allong with the bad because of his arrogance.

cutthemdown
04-30-2009, 04:27 PM
So your sayin you wanna trade Hillis?

Wouldn't bother me in the least but I'd like to see him stay. I like physical players who knock people around.

Realistically though Broncos are about to give millions to Moreno. We all know whose going to be carrying the ball.

Trust me guys like Hillis and Buckhalter know what Moreno spells for them. Trouble. High priced rookie RB with skills = look for a new place to carry the football.

cutthemdown
04-30-2009, 04:27 PM
If Hillis on team I think he's looking at 5 carries a game max, maybe a reception or 2.

cutthemdown
04-30-2009, 04:32 PM
I've been a staunch supporter of McDaniels throughout this offseason, but if Hillis goes, I will not support that move in any way.

I remember when Broncos cut Mike Harden to play Atwater. Man were a lot of Broncos fans pissed off. This sort of thing been going on a long time in the NFL.

Broncos just took a high priced RB, coach doesn't use FB a whole lot, Hillis could be in trouble, but like I said I like his style I hope he stays.

Besides what how our support of the move really matter? Everyone knows they will be watching and pulling for Broncos, buying stuff, going to games. We love it too much, it's as much about getting out of the house on Sun, getting together with friends and family, as it is about the Broncos. I doubt Hillis getting traded would be something that keeps true Bronco fans from being excited to see Moreno run.

I say we keep him, Mcdaniels likes physical players who play hard. IMO he likes Hillis. But if you can get a pick for him, and he doesn't plan on using him, I could see a trade.

snowspot66
04-30-2009, 05:02 PM
This is absurd.

It's a ****ty speculative report by a hack writer.

Any idiot can see that Hillis was the only back worth **** on our roster last year. He won't be going anywhere. McDaniels lost a lot of RB's last year too apparently and he'll want to hold on to as many quality ones as he can get.

Bob
04-30-2009, 05:46 PM
[QUOTE=cutthemdown;2404650]I remember when Broncos cut Mike Harden to play Atwater. Man were a lot of Broncos fans pissed off. This sort of thing been going on a long time in the NFL.
QUOTE]

In terms of style of play in Hillis we have an Atwater, and he only produced last year, the thing that liked about Shanny, was that he could put a 6th rounder on the field, over a high priced player -- in McDaniels I hope his ego, wont get in the way of letting the best man play -- if Hillis outplays everyone, like last year he shoudl get teh playing time. Actually Hillis and Moreno compliment one another's play, and bring something different.

Hogan11
04-30-2009, 05:57 PM
Speaking of The Saints, looks as if they'll be in NOLA thru 2025.

broncosteven
04-30-2009, 06:20 PM
Wouldn't bother me in the least but I'd like to see him stay. I like physical players who knock people around.

Realistically though Broncos are about to give millions to Moreno. We all know whose going to be carrying the ball.

Trust me guys like Hillis and Buckhalter know what Moreno spells for them. Trouble. High priced rookie RB with skills = look for a new place to carry the football.

I don't think anyone is going to be carrying the ball much based on Maroney's stats. Hillis may play the Faulk role, Faulk caught a lot of balls on 3rd down.

Maroney was Patsy's 1st round pick, he has yet to play all 16 games in a season and he has yet to crack 1000 yards in a season, even his 14 game high. His high water for carries was 185, a far cry from the 230+ carry years that TD, MA, Portis had, Portis and TD had 275+ carry years.

I am guessing Moreno is going to need to block 1st, rush 2nd, and catch 2a.

cutthemdown
04-30-2009, 06:32 PM
I don't think anyone is going to be carrying the ball much based on Maroney's stats. Hillis may play the Faulk role, Faulk caught a lot of balls on 3rd down.

Maroney was Patsy's 1st round pick, he has yet to play all 16 games in a season and he has yet to crack 1000 yards in a season, even his 14 game high. His high water for carries was 185, a far cry from the 230+ carry years that TD, MA, Portis had, Portis and TD had 275+ carry years.

I am guessing Moreno is going to need to block 1st, rush 2nd, and catch 2a.

Yeah but Maroney got hurt a couple times, was not that good other times. If Moreno doesn't do better then Maroney then we busted the pick.

They gave ball plenty to Dillon when he was producing.

All coaches IMO would like to have one proven back they can lean on to carry the load. RBBC is more out of need then want IMO.

Broncos will give Moreno the ball 20 times a game or more if he is throwing out big numbers and tds. If hes nicked up or not getting it done, then yeah the other guys will get more carries.

I for one see Moreno getting the ball about 70% of the carries.

Archer81
04-30-2009, 06:42 PM
Yeah but Maroney got hurt a couple times, was not that good other times. If Moreno doesn't do better then Maroney then we busted the pick.

They gave ball plenty to Dillon when he was producing.

All coaches IMO would like to have one proven back they can lean on to carry the load. RBBC is more out of need then want IMO.

Broncos will give Moreno the ball 20 times a game or more if he is throwing out big numbers and tds. If hes nicked up or not getting it done, then yeah the other guys will get more carries.

I for one see Moreno getting the ball about 70% of the carries.



The RBBC is worth saving your workhorse back, if you can get the 2nd guy who can get 100 carries a season or 20 or 30 catches and can spell the starter, then its better for your team down the stretch. Sometimes I wonder what might have been if TD didnt tear up his knee and got to pair up with Gary or Anderson for a few seasons.

:Broncos:

broncosteven
04-30-2009, 06:52 PM
Yeah but Maroney got hurt a couple times, was not that good other times. If Moreno doesn't do better then Maroney then we busted the pick.

They gave ball plenty to Dillon when he was producing.

All coaches IMO would like to have one proven back they can lean on to carry the load. RBBC is more out of need then want IMO.

Broncos will give Moreno the ball 20 times a game or more if he is throwing out big numbers and tds. If hes nicked up or not getting it done, then yeah the other guys will get more carries.

I for one see Moreno getting the ball about 70% of the carries.

They gave him the ball 345 times in 2004, he had 1600 yards with a 4.7 YPC. All Pre-McD.

It went down every year after that.

Pats are throw 1st team, it is yet to be proven that we will not run the same system.

It will be fun to watch us throw when it is 4th quarter the score is Denver 45 and KFC 6 on 4th down and goal from the 9 though!

yerner
04-30-2009, 06:55 PM
i say give up hillis. sell high.

broncosteven
04-30-2009, 06:58 PM
i say give up hillis. sell high.

I would prefer they dump Marshall, keep Hillis. Maybe the young HC will be able to connect with Marshall, they can compare their favorite Jonas brothers cd's and hanna montana episodes together, Shanny kept talking Starsky and Hutch **** that was bugging Marshall out!

worm
05-06-2009, 04:46 PM
Speaking of The Saints, looks as if they'll be in NOLA thru 2025.

Yep. Good news.

I can see the Super Bowl returning in 2013.

Love our Gov.

cutthemdown
05-06-2009, 07:21 PM
They gave him the ball 345 times in 2004, he had 1600 yards with a 4.7 YPC. All Pre-McD.

It went down every year after that.

Pats are throw 1st team, it is yet to be proven that we will not run the same system.

It will be fun to watch us throw when it is 4th quarter the score is Denver 45 and KFC 6 on 4th down and goal from the 9 though!

For sure everything is speculation at this point. Mcdaniels probably had some ideas in NE that got nixed by Billicheck. Or he may try and cope pats. Or he may try to pick the things he thinks Broncos did well and keep those things.

Maybe he likes having a FB like Hillis who can run and catch. Or maybe he doesn't and would rather have Arrington be the 3rd down back and Moreno the main back.

He could run a lot of 2 TE, or go 4 WR a lot, who knows really. All we can do is guess.

IMO though they didn't take Moreno at number 12 to give him less the 300 carries a yr. They will want to give him 300 if his body is up to it IMO.

Ray Finkle
05-06-2009, 07:40 PM
Hillis is a keeper.....I think it is Hillis that is make Shefler expendable....

spdirty
05-06-2009, 08:16 PM
Well, of course since I love Peyton Hillis and want him to be a Bronco, I expect him to get traded for a box of peanuts and a 7th rounder. And maybe a crap conrerback.

Popps
05-06-2009, 10:04 PM
Am I missing something? Wasn't Selvin Young released?