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HEAV
04-29-2009, 11:55 PM
Guess Who? No its not Josh McDaniels, It's JAY CUTLER. I really want to drop this issue and I really hope that everyone who has moved passed this forgives me for bringing it up but Cutler is a two faced liar. The thing that made we want to write this post is this quote from espn article about Josh McDaniels:

"Another Cutler endorsement: He was beyond bummed during the Denver stalemate, Vanderbilt strength and conditioning coach John Sisk says. But he still managed to work out religiously at his alma mater. He was lifting weights on April 2, the day he got the call that he was free from Denver.

"He was smiling and high-fiving all the guys," Sisk says. "He had to go buy a suit because he was going to Chicago the next day. He left during a tornado warning." "

Does this really seem like the guy who earlier was saying: you know I really wasn't expecting them to trade me.'

The Broncos originally received calls from other teams in the League hoping to aquire Cutler in a three way trade for Matt Cassel. The Broncos considered the offer but never moved beyond that point. This is a proven fact in the NFL and a number of teams have verified that they were the ones initiating the calls but they never moved beyond that.

There are rumors that Cutler had already asked for a trade when Jeremy Bates left the team.

According to McDaniels the Broncos informed Cutler and his agent that there were possible trade talks but they weren't moving forward.

Adam Scheffler reports about the possibility of a three way trade. The fall out of this is there is a lot of uphevel and speculation done by both the media and fans.

For the next little bit there is a lot of back and forth between the Broncos and Cutler and the Broncos and the Media.

Cutler changes his story from 1. You tried to trade 2. You never said I was your #1 Qb. 3. You hurt my feelings. I'm not sure what fantasy world most people are living in but welcome to the real world! It is a mean and pretty crappy place where everyone is expendable not matter how terrific you think you are. The only way you are going to get ahead is by fight for it. You might do this as a individual you might do this as a group but each day is a grind.

Fact: The Broncos then extend the Olive branch to Cutler in a television interview. There is a little more communication back and forth but it never moves beyond text messages.

Fact: Culter officially asks to be traded.

Finally the Owner Mr. Pat Bowlen who has done more for the Denver Broncos than any person alive or dead (and people calling him out really ticked me off) tries to call Jay Cutler multiple times. This a fact they wouldn't have annouce to the media if it wasn't true. They have the phone records! You don't say that because you will be found out.

Cutler never responds to Bowlens phone calls, So Bowlen gets the GM to call Cutler's agent so that Cutler will return Bowlen's phone call by the end of the day. I'm don't know about you but if the guy who is signing my multi-million dollar checks calls me, I return his phone call as fast as I can. Obviously this didn't happen and Bowlen talks with Gus Cook Cutler agent. (I've never heard of Bowlen lying and everyone who's ever worked for him as far as I've heard has sung his praise. So if he's said something I would assume it's true.)

Bowlen talks with Cook and is informed that Cutler wants a trade and that he no longers wants to play for the Broncos. What is Bowlen to do but get his Football staff to trade Cutler. He disrespects him and won't even return his phone calls.

Later Cutler is seen at a fight in Tennesesse saying that he really didn't want to be trade and that he was hoping things would work themselves out.

April 2, Cutler is trade and when he finds out is jumping for joy giving high fives all over the place. To bad none of his teamates could share in those high fives.

Cutler has lied and cheated Bronco's Fans and still many fans are still defending him. Mike Mayock the entire draft couldn't understand why we let him go? Cutler should be to the Broncos what Bob Petrino is to Falcons. The only good thing is we actually got something out of the parting.

Scum!

http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/4/29/859281/two-faced-liar


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Don't shoot the messanger... I read just this and thought to post it.

Killericon
04-30-2009, 12:03 AM
IIRC, wasn't he a Bears fan growing up? Man, if I were drafted by, say the 49ers, I'd be loyal to them. But if the same situation went down(Which it would'nt) with me going to the Broncos, then I'd be over the ****ing moon, regardless of how I felt about San Fran or the Niners.

Taco John
04-30-2009, 12:04 AM
This is getting tedious. I wish you'd just get over it already.

McDman
04-30-2009, 12:04 AM
Gus Cook? Really?

Taco John
04-30-2009, 12:05 AM
IIRC, wasn't he a Bears fan growing up? Man, if I were drafted by, say the 49ers, I'd be loyal to them. But if the same situation went down(Which it would'nt) with me going to the Broncos, then I'd be over the ****ing moon, regardless of how I felt about San Fran or the Niners.



I feel the same way. I'd be out of my mind if I had the opportunity to play for the team I've loved since I was a kid. I'm not sure why we're supposed to be outraged that Cutler was excited that his dream scenario played out for him.

Meck77
04-30-2009, 12:08 AM
Maybe because he made Pat and McD to be the bad guys when all along Cutler just wanted a trade? It was very apparent that Cutler wanted out all along yet he continued to insist he didn't want a trade. That doesn't bug you at all Taco?

Broncoman13
04-30-2009, 12:09 AM
Heav is an idiot. All he is doing is making the Cutler supporters dig in even further. If people don't want to see it for what it is, why try and force the issue? You're just making yourself sound like a broken record.

24champ
04-30-2009, 12:09 AM
Some people just can't let it go...I'm seeing random posts about diabetes and Cutler in a swine flu thread and now little stuff like this thread.

TheDave
04-30-2009, 12:12 AM
Personally, I wish they would of called his bluff and refused to trade him.

Oh well, It is what it is...

Meck77
04-30-2009, 12:14 AM
Some people just can't let it go...I'm seeing random posts about diabetes and Cutler in a swine flu thread and now little stuff like this thread.



Didn't realize the subject was a closed topic? I thought the post was relevant since Dr pointed out that 75,000 people die every year of Diabetes. From what I understood diabetes is very "treatable". The reality is it's one of the top killers in our country.

Personally I'm relieved we have a QB with a clean bill of health even though we had a big talent drop. Seems like the risk to keep wasn't worth it IMO otherwise they would have sucked up the drama and rolled with Cutler.

24champ
04-30-2009, 12:24 AM
Didn't realize the subject was a closed topic? I thought the post was relevant since Dr pointed out that 75,000 people die every year of Diabetes. From what I understood diabetes is very "treatable". The reality is it's one of the top killers in our country.

Personally I'm relieved we have a QB with a clean bill of health even though we had a big talent drop. Seems like the risk to keep wasn't worth it IMO otherwise they would have sucked up the drama and rolled with Cutler.

You may not know it, but Cutler is monitored everyday about his blood sugar levels from physicians. He gets way more care than the average joe, not to mention he sees some of the top specialists in the world to stay on top of this problem.

If Cutler's health was deteriorating from playing football , he would be laying in a hospital bed by now.

bronco610
04-30-2009, 12:26 AM
I knew a sales manager with type 1. His mood swings and his personality changes when his blood sugar dipped were epic. It didn't make him a bad guy but in all honesty people didn't like to be around him too much. In a team sport even managing the sugar level does not fully fix the mood swings and moodyness. I have the feeling this may have been part of the problem.

Ratboy
04-30-2009, 12:28 AM
This is getting tedious. I wish you'd just get over it already.

Seriously. Cutler haters are still trying to bash a guy that did nothing but good for the city of Denver and its most cherished sports team.

Meck77
04-30-2009, 12:29 AM
You may not know it, but Cutler is monitored everyday about his blood sugar levels from physicians. He gets way more care than the average joe, not to mention he sees some of the top specialists in the world to stay on top of this problem.

If Cutler's health was deteriorating from playing football , he would be laying in a hospital bed by now.

I have no doubt he has the best doctors available. I certainly don't think it's effecting him now but he was protected pretty well in Denver. I wish the kid the best but I think it's going to hurt his career and shorten it.

Get over cutler eh? Ok can we add Griese and plummer to that list?Ha!

Natedog24
04-30-2009, 12:30 AM
Some people just can't let it go...I'm seeing random posts about diabetes and Cutler in a swine flu thread and now little stuff like this thread.

Plummer and Griese still find their way into threads. We'll see fricken Cutler threads for the next decade...

BigPlayShay
04-30-2009, 12:31 AM
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090424/SPORTS15/904240353

What I will say is, it's highly ironic that in Denver, John Elway sits at the right hand of God and Cutler is the personification of evil. Memories are short, aren't they? The only reason Elway ended up in Denver is because Elway refused to sign with Frank Kush and the Baltimore Colts, eventually playing baseball before forcing a trade.

How were Elway and Cutler different? Or Eli Manning, for that matter, who refused to play for San Diego and forced a trade to New York?

"That's weird, isn't it? I've thought about that,'' Cutler said. "He (Elway) did a similar thing to what I did. People forget and perceptions change. When you win some Super Bowls like John or one like Eli, people forget certain things.''

Isn't he basically saying he forced a trade just like Elway and Eli???

Pseudofool
04-30-2009, 12:37 AM
Yes, it's surprising that there's still people who support Cutler's version, but those people are so dug in--so beyond the pale, so delusional that they'll savor our loses and McD's gaffe's forevermore.

Let's just hope the Broncos win, the haters sleek away for awhile, and then come back and no one knows the difference, right?

Pseudofool
04-30-2009, 12:39 AM
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090424/SPORTS15/904240353



Isn't he basically saying he forced a trade just like Elway and Eli???It's a far different thing after a fanbase and organization has invested three years in you.

Meck77
04-30-2009, 12:44 AM
Yes, it's surprising that there's still people who support Cutler's version, but those people are so dug in--so beyond the pale, so delusional that they'll savor our loses and McD's gaffe's forevermore.

Let's just hope the Broncos win, the haters sleek away for awhile, and then come back and no one knows the difference, right?

They might have to split the stadium into two groups. Those that want to see the team win and those that want to see the team lose*.

*Just a little joke.

Pseudofool
04-30-2009, 12:46 AM
They might have to split the stadium into two groups. Those that want to see the team win and those that want to see the team lose*.

*Just a little joke.
Joke or not. The issue is saddenly divisive. Plenty of articulate Bronco fans are so falling into a petty rabbit hole, that the whole orange mane community is worse for it.

Popps
04-30-2009, 12:50 AM
You may not know it, but Cutler is monitored everyday about his blood sugar levels from physicians.

".... buuuurp.... arhhhh.... hey dochh.... howms myy blood sooogahr...... BURP....

http://notqualifiedtocomment.com/wp-content/uploads/jay-greg.jpg

Blueflame
04-30-2009, 01:17 AM
Oh, by the way... I encountered a Boltz fan while out and about tonight. Fwiw, he said he doesn't think the Broncos will be in contention for anything but the division cellar in '09.

(waiting for the accusation of "lying" from someone who was not there and has no clue what was or was not said....)

Popps
04-30-2009, 01:24 AM
Oh, by the way... I encountered a Boltz fan while out and about tonight. Fwiw, he said he doesn't think the Broncos will be in contention for anything but the division cellar in '09.

(waiting for the accusation of "lying" from someone who was not there and has no clue what was or was not said....)



Heck, Blue... a Chargers fan had bad things to say about us?

Holy cow. I hope you were sitting down.

OBF1
04-30-2009, 01:26 AM
Who is this doucheCut you are all talking about :)

BroncoMan4ever
04-30-2009, 01:36 AM
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090424/SPORTS15/904240353



Isn't he basically saying he forced a trade just like Elway and Eli???

there is also a difference in those scenarios. Elway and Eli bothed voiced those opinions prior to being drafted.

and that is different because offenses hadn't been built up around them yet, no teammates were counting on them yet. they were just college kids at the time and no big deal. Cutler was here for 3 years, had his teammates counting on him, a fanbase very loyal to him, and an offense built around him.

had Elway or Eli voiced their opinions about not wanting to play for the Colts and Chargers after a few years with the teams, it would have been a huge deal, but they told those teams before they drafted them, so that there were no upset fans or teammates in the scenarios

ZONA
04-30-2009, 01:50 AM
Whatever.

We just had our draft and things are going forward in Denver. Jay is gone, he is no longer a Bronco, I could careless about anything he has done or is doing from now on. All I care about is how this CURRENT team is doing.

The fat lady has sung, it's over.

http://www.thecincinnatusstandard.com/fat_lady_sings.jpg

Blueflame
04-30-2009, 01:51 AM
Heck, Blue... a Chargers fan had bad things to say about us?

Holy cow. I hope you were sitting down.

Nice spin... :clown:

Every football fan I've encountered recently (in real life) has bad things to say about the new rookie HC/GM.

Blueflame
04-30-2009, 01:58 AM
Whatever.

We just had our draft and things are going forward in Denver. Jay is gone, he is no longer a Bronco, I could careless about anything he has done or is doing from now on. All I care about is how this CURRENT team is doing.

The fat lady has sung, it's over.

http://www.thecincinnatusstandard.com/fat_lady_sings.jpg

"It's Over" isn't a very positive note....just sayin'... :P

Popps
04-30-2009, 02:02 AM
Nice spin... :clown:

Every football fan I've encountered recently (in real life) has bad things to say about the new rookie HC/GM.

The guy with 3 Superbowl rings? That guy?

Wow, Chargers and Seahawks fans are disapproving, huh? ****. Well, if anyone knows success, it's those guys. I wonder if there's any way we can call the season off. Have you contacted the front office?

If it's one thing that makes me want to crawl into a hole, it's fans of another team speaking ill of our organization. I just HATE it.

Blueflame
04-30-2009, 02:14 AM
The guy with 3 Superbowl rings? That guy?

Wow, Chargers and Seahawks fans are disapproving, huh? ****. Well, if anyone knows success, it's those guys. I wonder if there's any way we can call the season off. Have you contacted the front office?

If it's one thing that makes me want to crawl into a hole, it's fans of another team speaking ill of our organization. I just HATE it.

Don't forget the Steelers fans and Fin fans and 9ers fans I've also encountered.... I have yet to talk to one football fan in real life who thinks the Broncos are headed in the right direction. The only optimists I've encountered are the homers here on the Mane.

Oh, and... Brian Griese has a SB ring....just sayin'

Jens1893
04-30-2009, 02:23 AM
I generally tend to not give a **** what people who donīt follow the team as closely as fans of the team do think about it.

GreatBronco16
04-30-2009, 02:26 AM
Don't forget the Steelers fans and Fin fans and 9ers fans I've also encountered.... I have yet to talk to one football fan in real life who thinks the Broncos are headed in the right direction. The only optimists I've encountered are the homers here on the Mane.

Oh, and... Brian Griese has a SB ring....just sayin'

And I'm yet to talk to one football fan in real life who thinks the Broncos are heading in the wrong direction. Hell, one of my friends who is a Raider fan, said that we had a pretty good draft. The only people down on this that I've encounted are the Jay Cutler/Shanny jungle nut hair swingers here on the mane.

Granted I've only talked to about 20-30 people, a far cry from the hundreds that I'm sure you've talked to.

Blueflame
04-30-2009, 02:46 AM
And I'm yet to talk to one football fan in real life who thinks the Broncos are heading in the wrong direction. Hell, one of my friends who is a Raider fan, said that we had a pretty good draft. The only people down on this that I've encounted are the Jay Cutler/Shanny jungle nut hair swingers here on the mane.

Granted I've only talked to about 20-30 people, a far cry from the hundreds that I'm sure you've talked to.

I'm sure your Raiderfan friend loved the giveaway of our '10 first rounder...
:-*

cutthemdown
04-30-2009, 02:50 AM
I know quite a few big gamblers who think Cutler was good but not as good as the media makes him out to be.

Cutler was not an effecient qb. He was more the gunslinger type. You can win like that but you can also win by playing defense and running the football.

Broncos need to play some defense, its the only way out of this mess.

Killericon
04-30-2009, 04:15 AM
Am I the only one who finds this board's obsession with Alcohol very strange? The pro-Cutler people say Bowlen is a drunk, and the pro-Front Office people say Cutler is a drunk.

TDmvp
04-30-2009, 04:28 AM
Am I the only one who finds this board's obsession with Alcohol very strange? The pro-Cutler people say Bowlen is a drunk, and the pro-Front Office people say Cutler is a drunk.

DON'T forget me !!! says Drunk Kyle Orton

http://www.bustedcoverage.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/kyle_orton_passed_out.jpg

fdf
04-30-2009, 06:14 AM
I mostly agree with your conclusions. But so what. I'm over it.

Going on and on about this is kind of like the McStinkyPants stuff.

This post just forces the McSmellyBrains crowd to come in and start calling names. Everyone gets pissed. And one of my formerly favorite sites on the web continues to go downhill.

It's like some stupid political forum "BushHitler!" "Obamination!" "You Nazi!" Blah blah blah.

TonyR
04-30-2009, 06:56 AM
This is getting tedious. I wish you'd just get over it already.

So it's okay to constantly bash McD and Bowlen, our current head coach and owner, but not okay to bash Cutler, a guy who's no longer our QB and didn't want to be our QB? Sorry, but I find the over the top negativity towards our coach and owner more 'tedious" than the Cutler bashing. But to each their own, I suppose.

mr007
04-30-2009, 07:02 AM
Queue the "ahh jeeze not this **** again" pic. Anyone?

Odysseus
04-30-2009, 07:03 AM
Am I the only one who finds this board's obsession with Alcohol very strange? The pro-Cutler people say Bowlen is a drunk, and the pro-Front Office people say Cutler is a drunk.

They both are drunks only one cannot drink any more so one position is stupid.

colonelbeef
04-30-2009, 07:06 AM
Plummer and Griese still find their way into threads. We'll see fricken Cutler threads for the next decade...

Decade? Will be longer than that, he is going to make the Broncos look really fvkin stupid for this trade.

barryr
04-30-2009, 07:19 AM
Cutler and his agent demanded a trade and Cutler wouldn't answer his phone for a couple weeks and then when a trade happened, "I didn't expect it to get this far." They are either both liars or very dumb.

Paladin
04-30-2009, 07:27 AM
Decade? Will be longer than that, he is going to make the Broncos look really fvkin stupid for this trade.

You wish.

TailgateNut
04-30-2009, 07:28 AM
I knew a sales manager with type 1. His mood swings and his personality changes when his blood sugar dipped were epic. It didn't make him a bad guy but in all honesty people didn't like to be around him too much. In a team sport even managing the sugar level does not fully fix the mood swings and moodyness. I have the feeling this may have been part of the problem.

I can tell you from 1st hand experience that type 1 isn't totally controllable, and regardless of blood sugar levels the "mood swings" are akin to PMS (sorry ladies). I can go from nice guy to bastard in a nanosecond without rhyme or reason.

Garcia Bronco
04-30-2009, 07:30 AM
Of course Cutler was the culprit. He's a lying sack of ****..

Garcia Bronco
04-30-2009, 07:31 AM
Decade? Will be longer than that, he is going to make the Broncos look really fvkin stupid for this trade.

Except Cutler is the one that forced the trade. Come back to reality. Jay Cutler broke up with you.

TailgateNut
04-30-2009, 07:32 AM
Oh, by the way... I encountered a Boltz fan while out and about tonight. Fwiw, he said he doesn't think the Broncos will be in contention for anything but the division cellar in '09.

(waiting for the accusation of "lying" from someone who was not there and has no clue what was or was not said....)


AND???? Since when does the opinion of a bandwagon "boltzfan" count???

lostknight
04-30-2009, 07:33 AM
Seriously people let it go, instead of recycling yet another bound of Dove Valley inspired Jay is a drunk crap.

TailgateNut
04-30-2009, 07:35 AM
. Jay Cutler broke up with you.

LOL He's acting likea woman scorned!:spit:

Garcia Bronco
04-30-2009, 07:35 AM
Am I the only one who finds this board's obsession with Alcohol very strange? The pro-Cutler people say Bowlen is a drunk, and the pro-Front Office people say Cutler is a drunk.

Cause they were acting like a couple of drunks.

Garcia Bronco
04-30-2009, 07:38 AM
Seriously people let it go, instead of recycling yet another bound of Dove Valley inspired Jay is a drunk crap.

I don't know if he's a drunk or not. I don't care. I am just glad he's gone. We dropped what will end up being a diabetic boat anchor and got some value for it. I know that sounds ****ed up, but it's the reality.

Garcia Bronco
04-30-2009, 07:38 AM
LOL He's acting likea woman scorned!:spit:

I can't take credit for that line, but it's the truth.

broncofan7
04-30-2009, 07:48 AM
As an ardent Cutler supporter, I was truly disappointed that we traded him. But it's obvious from this article

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090424/SPORTS15/904240353

that he was trying to force his way out of town, so F&*K him.

I still hold a strong opinion that Spags would have been a better choice than MCD for us, potentially averting the Qb mess and an ability to fix our defense into an attacking, hard hitting blitzkreig style defense that he helped develop and foster in PHI and with the NYG. But that ship has obviously sailed and I am very much looking forward to TC, the pre-season and obviously our opener in Cincy. We drafted the future face of our franchise in Knowshon and I am looking forward to watching him thrive for many years to come......

bpc
04-30-2009, 07:53 AM
Stepped away for a few days... good to know the witch hunt is still in full affect.

Daily thought process of a Cutler Hater

" OMG! I haven't gone to the Mane yet today to express just how much I hate Jay and that he's the culprit of this whole ordeal! "

Just so you all know, McDaniels and Bowlen are completely innocent.

BREAKING NEWS!

In the process of writing this, Josh has hired three more family members/friends to help run the team. No, they don't have formal training in a football setting but they've known Josh McDoodle for a very long time.

"My buddy Skip used to be the best in the neighborhood at building legos" said McDaniels... "If that doesn't constitute formal training to run our scouting department, I don't know what does. We'll be a better organization with him."

broncofan7
04-30-2009, 07:58 AM
Stepped away for a few days... good to know the witch hunt is still in full affect.

Daily thought process of a Cutler Hater

" OMG! I haven't gone to the Mane yet today to express just how much I hate Jay and that he's the culprit of this whole ordeal! "

Just so you all know, McDaniels and Bowlen are completely innocent.

BREAKING NEWS!

In the process of writing this, Josh has hired three more family members/friends to help run the team. No, they don't have formal training in a football setting but they've known Josh McDoodle for a very long time.

"My buddy Skip used to be the best in the neighborhood at building legos" said McDaniels... "If that doesn't constitute formal training to run our scouting department, I don't know what does. We'll be a better organization with him."

LOL

baja
04-30-2009, 07:58 AM
Except Cutler is the one that forced the trade. Come back to reality. Jay Cutler broke up with you.

Why people don't get that i'll never know, think Quiterson...

Rabb
04-30-2009, 07:59 AM
I am over the whole thing, he is gone and I am actually happy about it. He didn't want to be here, hopefully hindsight shows that it was a good choice for us.

I don't give a **** what any fan of another team has to say about our prospective future, unless any of them have traveled to next year at this time at least.

Meck77
04-30-2009, 08:06 AM
I'm glad he's gone also flash. It's painful for the Plummer haters though. You see they sat thru years of hating him and "winning ugly" only to see their golden boy piss away several seasons in Denver with no tangible results. I never believed that Cutler was the answer but I gave him the benefit of the doubt. Only problem was the rest of the team fell apart while the kid was still learning the ropes.

It's a perfect example of why you just have to homer on with whoever is leading your team. It's all you can really do as a fan. Being critical of the team is one thing but hoping for people to get fired doesn't amount to much. Probably doesn't make the season too enjoyable when you are hoping for individuals to fail.

I still dont' get it but it's the era of Fantasy football fans. They root for players and not necessarily the team anymore.

The fans giving up now remind me of the group who left the stadium when we were playing the chargers under Gus Ferrot years ago.

We were down by several touchdowns and the stadium pretty much left. Before you knew it the Broncos went on an absolute tear lead by GUS of all people. We ended up beating the chargers and the bandwagon fans missed one of the most exciting games that we had there in a long time.

Ironically enough Gus set a single game record for yards thrown as a Denver Bronco that day. :pimp:

bpc
04-30-2009, 08:15 AM
As an ardent Cutler supporter, I was truly disappointed that we traded him. But it's obvious from this article

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090424/SPORTS15/904240353

that he was trying to force his way out of town, so F&*K him.

I still hold a strong opinion that Spags would have been a better choice than MCD for us, potentially averting the Qb mess and an ability to fix our defense into an attacking, hard hitting blitzkreig style defense that he helped develop and foster in PHI and with the NYG. But that ship has obviously sailed and I am very much looking forward to TC, the pre-season and obviously our opener in Cincy. We drafted the future face of our franchise in Knowshon and I am looking forward to watching him thrive for many years to come......

How did the article make him look? He has a cracked cell-phone? He forced his way out of Denver? The issue here is McDaniels/Bowlen struck first. They tried to trade Jay. Not the other way around. They shifted their stories around all offseason. I don't really blame him for not being able to trust them. Just when McDaniels FINALLY came out and said, "Jay is our guy, we're not fielding trade offers, he's the QB of the future for Denver...", he threw his hands up a week later and said he wasn't.

Listen, there is error on both sides of this story but Jay is FAR from the only guilty party. When errors are made, who started it all?

bpc
04-30-2009, 08:17 AM
I'm glad he's gone also flash. It's painful for the Plummer haters though. You see they sat thru years of hating him and "winning ugly" only to see their golden boy piss away several seasons in Denver with no tangible results. I never believed that Cutler was the answer but I gave him the benefit of the doubt. Only problem was the rest of the team fell apart while the kid was still learning the ropes.

It's a perfect example of why you just have to homer on with whoever is leading your team. It's all you can really do as a fan. Being critical of the team is one thing but hoping for people to get fired doesn't amount to much. Probably doesn't make the season too enjoyable when you are hoping for individuals to fail.

I still dont' get it but it's the era of Fantasy football fans. They root for players and not necessarily the team anymore.

The fans giving up now remind me of the group who left the stadium when we were playing the chargers under Gus Ferrot years ago.

We were down by several touchdowns and the stadium pretty much left. Before you knew it the Broncos went on an absolute tear lead by GUS of all people. We ended up beating the chargers and the bandwagon fans missed one of the most exciting games that we had there in a long time.

Ironically enough Gus set a single game record for yards thrown as a Denver Bronco that day. :pimp:

Cutler was 21-3 when the defense held opposing offenses under 21 pts. I don't think that's an unfair task to ask. Maybe it was. Hell, he was a one man offense as he carried that unit for two seasons despite poor OL/WR in 2007 and horrible injuries to the running game which rendered that unit mostly useless in 2008.... maybe we should have had him line up at safety too?

But you're right though. Plummer was great. Left handed passes and all. Never mind the fact that his greatest season in Denver, record-wise, was a product of Shanahan taking the ball out of his hands so he wouldn't turn it over and letting Mike Anderson and Tatum BELL carry the load.

Some of you guys crack me up.

Garcia Bronco
04-30-2009, 08:17 AM
They tried to trade Jay.

No they did not. This is the problem with your whole outlook. They did not try to trade him. The Bucs admitted it and Bill Belicheck said he never received an offer like that because he would have taken it.

TailgateNut
04-30-2009, 08:20 AM
A self destructing QB isn't what I would consider a franchise investment. "Drinking like a fish" isn't a health conscious decision by someone with Type 1 diabetes.

Start throwing rocks. I don't give a ****. The whiney ass bitch is a Bear now, so he can destroy himself in the windy city while I root for whoever is behind center in Denver.

broncofan7
04-30-2009, 08:30 AM
How did the article make him look? He has a cracked cell-phone? He forced his way out of Denver? The issue here is McDaniels/Bowlen struck first. They tried to trade Jay. Not the other way around. They shifted their stories around all offseason. I don't really blame him for not being able to trust them. Just when McDaniels FINALLY came out and said, "Jay is our guy, we're not fielding trade offers, he's the QB of the future for Denver...", he threw his hands up a week later and said he wasn't.

Listen, there is error on both sides of this story but Jay is FAR from the only guilty party. When errors are made, who started it all?




1)How were Elway and Cutler different? Or Eli Manning, for that matter, who refused to play for San Diego and forced a trade to New York?

"That's weird, isn't it? I've thought about that,'' Cutler said. "He (Elway) did a similar thing to what I did. People forget and perceptions change. When you win some Super Bowls like John or one like Eli, people forget certain things.''

2) I agree that MCD started it--but Cutler could have eventually come to terms with the fact that he was playing for a top of the line NFL franchise (my personal bias) and that he was going to be a bigger man than Josh McD. Instead , he chose to leverage his way out of Denver -----he may not have started this, but he ultimately decided to leave Denver. So now that this has been confirmed through his own quotes, I think it's safe to say that I no longer have any reservations that this could have been worked out--

broncofan7
04-30-2009, 08:33 AM
For the good of my favorite NFL team, I hope that Jay blows out his knee in the pre-season and we get a top 5 pick in 2010 anyhow (Chicagos--since our FO decided to trade ours, but that's a topic for another thread)

bpc
04-30-2009, 08:33 AM
No they did not. This is the problem with your whole outlook. They did not try to trade him. The Bucs admitted it and Bill Belicheck said he never received an offer like that because he would have taken it.

Did Cutler link himself in trade talks? NO, that was the FO trying to make a deal for Cassel. Was there interest there in moving Jay for Matt? YES.

Don't be such a fool. Both sides are guilty of wrong on some accounts but the FO struck first. Josh wanted his guy and then shifted his word around for the next month trying to make himself look better to the media.

Jay was an idiot for not stepping forward and being open to patch things up but we don't know what was said or done which made him feel as strongly as he did.

Honestly, if trust was thrown out the window in a relationship, i wouldn't deal with it either. Obviously Jay felt like he couldn't trust McDaniels and/or Bowlen. Probably both. As their statements get proliferated through the media at every turn, they flopped on about four or five huge commitments to the franchise.

I'm not gonna list them all again but we know about the Goodman's, Jay's the man, etcetera.

Listen, pull your orange hood over your face, light up your torch, get your pitchfork, whatever. Two sides f'd up royally here. It wasn't just Jay and he wasn't the one who sent the first shot across the bow.

Where is the engaging football talk that used to go on here? All we have is militia Cutler mongering. Pathetic.

Sassy
04-30-2009, 08:36 AM
For the good of my favorite NFL team, I hope that Jay blows out his knee in the pre-season and we get a top 5 pick in 2010 anyhow (Chicagos--since our FO decided to trade ours, but that's a topic for another thread)

Geez....a lot of aholes around here lately.

Steve Prefontaine
04-30-2009, 08:37 AM
Ah, the daily fix of Cutler gossip. I am waiting for the article that speculates Cutler is responsible for the swine flu.

A month later...the Cutler haters are still trying to justify the trade.

LET IT GO.

TailgateNut
04-30-2009, 08:39 AM
For the good of my favorite NFL team, I hope that Jay blows out his knee in the pre-season and we get a top 5 pick in 2010 anyhow (Chicagos--since our FO decided to trade ours, but that's a topic for another thread)

WOW! Regardless of how I feel about what transpired, I would go "there". I will however say: I don't give a flying **** about Cutler from this point forward, and hope he becomes another Brian Griese.:wiggle:

Garcia Bronco
04-30-2009, 08:41 AM
Did Cutler link himself in trade talks?

Yes he did. Because his agent leaked the information that there where trade offers for Cutler. You are terribly mis-informed on the whole ordeal. Which isn't suprising considering all the bogus information out there on it.

Steve Prefontaine
04-30-2009, 08:43 AM
For the good of my favorite NFL team, I hope that Jay blows out his knee in the pre-season and we get a top 5 pick in 2010 anyhow (Chicagos--since our FO decided to trade ours, but that's a topic for another thread)

Kidding? I hope so.

broncofan7
04-30-2009, 08:51 AM
Kidding? I hope so.

Not so much. Does my statement 'shock your conscious'?

TailgateNut
04-30-2009, 08:52 AM
http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/11582660


".........How dare Denver even think about trading the great Jay Cutler? The 49ers traded Joe Montana after he won four Super Bowls, and the Rams traded Eric Dickerson after the greatest four-year rushing spurt in NFL history, and two different teams traded Dick "Night Train" Lane even as he was the best defensive back the game had ever seen.

But that was different. None of those guys was The Jay Cutler. Or better yet, Jay Cutler was none of those guys. He hasn't been winning Super Bowls. Not breaking records. Not setting a new standard at his position.

The only thing Cutler is doing to set himself apart is whining. If he does make it to the Pro Football Hall of Fame, his bust better include a pacifier.

And he's playing the wrong position to be such a baby. This isn't a receiver who stands out on an island and can do his thing without having to lead or inspire. This is a quarterback, the foundation of a franchise, and Cutler crumbled in Denver. And so he will become the foundation somewhere else."

Bawahaha!

bpc
04-30-2009, 08:55 AM
1)How were Elway and Cutler different? Or Eli Manning, for that matter, who refused to play for San Diego and forced a trade to New York?

"That's weird, isn't it? I've thought about that,'' Cutler said. "He (Elway) did a similar thing to what I did. People forget and perceptions change. When you win some Super Bowls like John or one like Eli, people forget certain things.''

2) I agree that MCD started it--but Cutler could have eventually come to terms with the fact that he was playing for a top of the line NFL franchise (my personal bias) and that he was going to be a bigger man than Josh McD. Instead , he chose to leverage his way out of Denver -----he may not have started this, but he ultimately decided to leave Denver. So now that this has been confirmed through his own quotes, I think it's safe to say that I no longer have any reservations that this could have been worked out--

Here is the problem with the media and the people that read things. He was asked a question, he responded.

"Jay, do you think you have a stronger arm than John Elway?"

What is he supposed to say? He's confident. "I think I do."

He got blasted for that.

"Jay, what do you think about Philip Rivers?"

"I don't really care for him."

Even with this latest quote, what's the problem? **** was running down hill. Hell, I've read/heard enough to not trust McDaniels either so I really don't blame him for digging in. Between Bowlen,McIdiot, their word shifted around so much they are hard for me to even believe and they aren't my employers. Is he supposed to sit there and enjoy what they are saying if he knows it a load of crap? Reactive,proactive?

Our franchise (I love the Broncos and i'm also biased), while great, has made HUGE errors this offseason IMO. Some don't agree, whatever. The offense was well on its way to being a perennial top 5 year for years to come. All they needed was a top flight HB to help the scoring come. Jay had already shown what he can do by himself with the passing game. Give him a few more weapons in the rushing department and allow the WR's/OL to mature. The defense needed the HELP! 30 million in cap room, draft picks, and and what do we have to show for it? A green offense and a defense still lacking playmakers.

What did Bowlen do during the offseason? He blew up Shanahan, hired a OC instead of a DC to fix the team, who in turn wants to run the offense he likes with the QB's he knows along with allowing his brother's and friend's to come along for the ride. Mind you, he's 32. WTF? He doesn't seem to know how to handle the media as apparent with his hem-hawing around between each statement and his incredible lack of sense when it comes to things that he should and should not say.

Once again Bowlen and Mickey D have made statements only to back-track on them time and time again. I've never once said that Jay is innocent in this whole ordeal but some people on this site are disillusioned. Hey, I understand it. We're all supposed to be pro Denver and anybody who crosses us must be put down and have dirt kicked on them... sure.

McDaniels came in here like a hot shot and has thrown around control like he was the former Broncos coach, Mike Shanahan... except he's not Mike Shanahan. Mike Shanahan wasn't himself during his first coaching term. Some of you guys are blindly following this dude into the hole and it's only gonna get us all blown up.

Take for instance the Smith trade from this past weekend. That could have YEARS of affects on this program.... for a undersized CB. That pick could have been an impact front seven player... a DeMarcus Ware, a Ronnie Lott, another young talented franchise type QB...

I hope Denver does well and while I don't really care for McDoodle, as he goes, so go the Broncos... I want him to win ASAP and I want him to be right on the draft... FA's.... If he isn't though, this outfit is screwed by three month's of stupidity and a never-ending list of f' up's that easily could have been avoided.

What happens if Mickey D is gone in two or three years? We're potentially stuck with Kyle Orton and Chris Simms... two ordinary dudes. We'll probably get another coach that believes QB is the most important part of the team and not the way Josh does. Boom, 3 years turn into 6 as we have another coach, another QB...

It's a slippery slope. Hope for the best as Bowlen has made all of our beds and now we have to sleep in it.

broncofan7
04-30-2009, 08:56 AM
Geez....a lot of aholes around here lately.

Have you received your vaccinations for this year? I hear 'Bovine Flu' is almost as virulent as 'swine flu' and I'd hate for you to be at the epicenter of a CDC inquiry.........ROFL!

HAT
04-30-2009, 09:00 AM
Cutler was 21-3 when the defense held opposing offenses under 21 pts.

This argument again?

Go look up SF's record, or Houston's, or Chicago's....when they hold teams to 21 or less.

Using your artificial parameter of "21 points or less"...Cutler's record is comparable to the Matt Schaubs, JT Os, Shaun Hills, Rex Grossmans and yes, Kyle Ortons of this league.

Sassy
04-30-2009, 09:02 AM
Have you received your vaccinations for this year? I hear 'Bovine Flu' is almost as virulent as 'swine flu' and I'd hate for you to be at the epicenter of a CDC inquiry.........ROFL!

For the record...

Steve Prefontaine
04-30-2009, 09:02 AM
Not so much. Does my statement 'shock your conscious'?

Nope, just confirming you are a dbag. Thanks.

broncofan7
04-30-2009, 09:02 AM
Here is the problem with the media and the people that read things. He was asked a question, he responded.

"Jay, do you think you have a stronger arm than John Elway?"

What is he supposed to say? He's confident. "I think I do."

He got blasted for that.

"Jay, what do you think about Philip Rivers?"

"I don't really care for him."

Even with this latest quote, what's the problem? **** was running down hill. Hell, I've read/heard enough to not trust McDaniels either so I really don't blame him for digging in. Between Bowlen,McIdiot, their word shifted around so much they are hard for me to even believe and they aren't my employers. Is he supposed to sit there and enjoy what they are saying if he knows it a load of crap? Reactive,proactive?

Our franchise (I love the Broncos and i'm also biased), while great, has made HUGE errors this offseason IMO. Some don't agree, whatever. The offense was well on its way to being a perennial top 5 year for years to come. All they needed was a top flight HB to help the scoring come. Jay had already shown what he can do by himself with the passing game. Give him a few more weapons in the rushing department and allow the WR's/OL to mature. The defense needed the HELP! 30 million in cap room, draft picks, and and what do we have to show for it? A green offense and a defense still lacking playmakers.

What did Bowlen do during the offseason? He blew up Shanahan, hired a OC instead of a DC to fix the team, who in turn wants to run the offense he likes with the QB's he knows along with allowing his brother's and friend's to come along for the ride. Mind you, he's 32. WTF? He doesn't seem to know how to handle the media as apparent with his hem-hawing around between each statement and his incredible lack of sense when it comes to things that he should and should not say.

Once again Bowlen and Mickey D have made statements only to back-track on them time and time again. I've never once said that Jay is innocent in this whole ordeal but some people on this site are disillusioned. Hey, I understand it. We're all supposed to be pro Denver and anybody who crosses us must be put down and have dirt kicked on them... sure.

McDaniels came in here like a hot shot and has thrown around control like he was the former Broncos coach, Mike Shanahan... except he's not Mike Shanahan. Mike Shanahan wasn't himself during his first coaching term. Some of you guys are blindly following this dude into the hole and it's only gonna get us all blown up.

Take for instance the Smith trade from this past weekend. That could have YEARS of affects on this program.... for a undersized CB. That pick could have been an impact front seven player... a DeMarcus Ware, a Ronnie Lott, another young talented franchise type QB...

I hope Denver does well and while I don't really care for McDoodle, as he goes, so go the Broncos... I want him to win ASAP and I want him to be right on the draft... FA's.... If he isn't though, this outfit is screwed by three month's of stupidity and a never-ending list of f' up's that easily could have been avoided.

What happens if Mickey D is gone in two or three years? We're potentially stuck with Kyle Orton and Chris Simms... two ordinary dudes. We'll probably get another coach that believes QB is the most important part of the team and not the way Josh does. Boom, 3 years turn into 6 as we have another coach, another QB...

It's a slippery slope. Hope for the best as Bowlen has made all of our beds and now we have to sleep in it.

Oh, he will be gone --I give it two. Please don't misconstrue my comments as being PRO-McD, I am not, not at all.

If the Texans don't make the playoffs this year, I think that Kubiak will be canned.....and I am hoping that the 2011 season (if there is not a lockout) begins with Kubes as our new HC.

broncofan7
04-30-2009, 09:03 AM
Nope, just confirming you are a dbag. Thanks.

Go back to reading Esquire and eating Tofu......

Tombstone RJ
04-30-2009, 09:04 AM
I think Cutler is the biggest culprit in this whole fiasco. When I read the article yesterday that said Cutler was high fiving everyone when he learned about the trade, it really ticked me off.

Especially considering that Cutler, from the beginning, says he never wanted to be traded and that this was all McD's doing.

Let's face it, Cutler wanted out and when McD made the mistake of listening to possible trade scenarios, and Cutler got wind of this, he forced the Broncos hand.

Steve Prefontaine
04-30-2009, 09:05 AM
Go back to reading Esquire and eating Tofu......

You are so hardcore.

Garcia Bronco
04-30-2009, 09:07 AM
Don't be such a fool. Both sides are guilty of wrong on some accounts but the FO struck first.

The facts do not support this conclusion in any way, shape, or form.

Garcia Bronco
04-30-2009, 09:08 AM
Honestly, if trust was thrown out the window in a relationship, i wouldn't deal with it either. Obviously Jay felt like he couldn't trust McDaniels and/or Bowlen. Probably both. As their statements get proliferated through the media at every turn, they flopped on about four or five huge commitments to the franchise.


Cutler flopped on his committment and nothing more.

Garcia Bronco
04-30-2009, 09:10 AM
I'm not gonna list them all again but we know about the Goodman's, Jay's the man, etcetera.


One Goodman was fired because he didn't work in the new dynamic and the other left because his son got terminated. It's not that hard to understand. Jay was the man until Jay decided not to be the man. It was Jay's decision.

TailgateNut
04-30-2009, 09:10 AM
Cutler flopped on his committment and nothing more.

Amen.

When the BOSS calls, answer the g-damn phone.

Garcia Bronco
04-30-2009, 09:11 AM
Listen, pull your orange hood over your face, light up your torch, get your pitchfork, whatever. Two sides f'd up royally here. It wasn't just Jay and he wasn't the one who sent the first shot across the bow.


Yes it was Jay and his agent that started it. It's evident at this point.

kamakazi_kal
04-30-2009, 09:16 AM
yawn ...... guys gone already.

Why not concentrate on who's here and what's being done with our current team.

Tombstone RJ
04-30-2009, 09:16 AM
Hey bpc, da nile ain't just a river in Egypt...

Meck77
04-30-2009, 09:21 AM
Cutler was 21-3 when the defense held opposing offenses under 21 pts. I don't think that's an unfair task to ask. Maybe it was. Hell, he was a one man offense as he carried that unit for two seasons despite poor OL/WR in 2007 and horrible injuries to the running game which rendered that unit mostly useless in 2008.... maybe we should have had him line up at safety too?

But you're right though. Plummer was great. Left handed passes and all. Never mind the fact that his greatest season in Denver, record-wise, was a product of Shanahan taking the ball out of his hands so he wouldn't turn it over and letting Mike Anderson and Tatum BELL carry the load.

Some of you guys crack me up.

I didn't say Plummer was great. The TEAM functioned better under plummer as a whole. If you don't remember we consistently made the playoffs. Sure the D was better I'll give you that but there are intangibles that you just can't measure and at the end of the day the dude did enough or some would argue "stayed" out of the way enough so the team could win.

Most importantly the TEAM including the D respected him. Cutler didn't have that.

For ****s sake BPC where is Cutler now? He friggen left because he couldnt' handle a little heat in the kitchen. Plummer bowed out when he was told to do so. Could you imagine what Cutler will do when he gets replaced some day? lmfao

Garcia Bronco
04-30-2009, 09:22 AM
yawn ...... guys gone already.

Why not concentrate on who's here and what's being done with our current team.

This isn't a single thread board. You don't have to participate in this thread. I apologize if it causes you ill, but obviously people are still misinformed and spreading dis-information. We'll need to hash these things out. It matters.

DarkHorse30
04-30-2009, 09:37 AM
If Jay had....

-won ONE meaningful game since he was drafted

-led the Broncos to ONE playoff game

-not sucked in the probowl

-supported his new coach

-not turned into a whiner

....I might care about him. He whiffed on so many levels, so I don't.

HAT
04-30-2009, 09:38 AM
I know quite a few big gamblers who think Cutler was good but not as good as the media makes him out to be.



Serious handicappers love Cutler....but not for the reason most here would think.

Denver was 10-26-1 ATS (using the closing line) with him at the helm.

To put that in perspective....pro gamblers are considered successful if they are picking winners at 55-58%.

The fade Denver/Cutler angle cashed at an amazing 72%

Alot of you may be saying "who gives a shiate about pointspreads?" but the point I'm trying to make is that in order to hit at 72% against any one team, that team to be vastly overrated.

Everybody and their grandmother knew Denver had a terrible defense last year....and they STILL only went 4-11-1 ATS in 2008.

Think about that. Even casual bettors knew week in and week out what they could expect from Denver's defense (nothing). Normally that would lead to more people leaning against Denver and driving the line down when they were favorites and up when they were dogs. Theoretically bringing them closer to .500 ATS.

But that clearly wasn't the case. Why? Because they were false favorites due to the mainstream media and general betting public (squares) putting way too much faith in Cutler and Shanny.

Gort
04-30-2009, 09:44 AM
except for scheffler, the rest of the Broncos seem to have come down on the side of McD and are 100% behind the changes McD is making. that speaks volumes to me... the guys in the clubhouse day in and day out know what really went down.

Los Broncos
04-30-2009, 09:51 AM
I'm just happy he went to the NFC.

vancejohnson82
04-30-2009, 09:52 AM
Serious handicappers love Cutler....but not for the reason most here would think.

Denver was 10-26-1 ATS (using the closing line) with him at the helm.

To put that in perspective....pro gamblers are considered successful if they are picking winners at 55-58%.

The fade Denver/Cutler angle cashed at an amazing 72%

Alot of you may be saying "who gives a shiate about pointspreads?" but the point I'm trying to make is that in order to hit at 72% against any one team, that team to be vastly overrated.

Everybody and their grandmother knew Denver had a terrible defense last year....and they STILL only went 4-11-1 ATS in 2008.

Think about that. Even casual bettors knew week in and week out what they could expect from Denver's defense (nothing). Normally that would lead to more people leaning against Denver and driving the line down when they were favorites and up when they were dogs. Theoretically bringing them closer to .500 ATS.

But that clearly wasn't the case. Why? Because they were false favorites due to the mainstream media and general betting public (squares) putting way too much faith in Cutler and Shanny.

very well put....

I had a bunch of friends who were stuck watching Denver games with me....they went against Denver every week towards the end of the season after losing money on them early on

sucked to have everyone high fiving and counting their winnings after the BIlls game

Garcia Bronco
04-30-2009, 10:02 AM
If Jay had....

-won ONE meaningful game since he was drafted

-led the Broncos to ONE playoff game

-not sucked in the probowl

-supported his new coach

-not turned into a whiner

....I might care about him. He whiffed on so many levels, so I don't.

When you add it all up thats really damning. Doesn't mean he won't attain those things later on or as soon as this season, but it just doesn't look good on paper.

Irish Stout
04-30-2009, 10:05 AM
I miss Elway. I miss Shanny. I miss TD. I miss Sharpe. I miss Rod. I miss Atwater.

Its a new day, I'm moving on. I look forward to seeing what Moreno and McD and Orton and Ayers can do. Go Broncos. Now lets all move on.

TailgateNut
04-30-2009, 10:10 AM
I miss Elway. I miss Shanny. I miss TD. I miss Sharpe. I miss Rod. I miss Atwater.

Its a new day, I'm moving on. I look forward to seeing what Moreno and McD and Orton and Ayers can do. Go Broncos. Now lets all move on.

You forgot: Eddie (not Quitterson), Howard (I pave the way), The chickenman (I can drink anyone under the table), and Romo (I spit on you).

And lest we forget ol' man Gibbs!

gyldenlove
04-30-2009, 10:14 AM
One Goodman was fired because he didn't work in the new dynamic and the other left because his son got terminated. It's not that hard to understand. Jay was the man until Jay decided not to be the man. It was Jay's decision.

Factually that is not true.

Jay was the man until Mcdaniels wanted a new man. You can't be the man anymore when your boss wants to replace you.

We all know, although some people seem to choose to ignore it that Cutler came to Dove Valley numerous times before the offseason began to study the playbook with Mcdaniels. If you want to get out, you don't do that. Mcdaniels then goes after his old QB, fair enough, but in doing so sends the signal that Cutler is not the man, you don't replace the man.

Oh, and all the Goodmen were fired, one because he didn't want to be subordinate to Xanders and the others because Bowlen didn't want any awkward situations of having to chose loyalty to the organization over the family or the other way around.

gyldenlove
04-30-2009, 10:18 AM
If Jay had....

-won ONE meaningful game since he was drafted

-led the Broncos to ONE playoff game

-not sucked in the probowl

-supported his new coach

-not turned into a whiner

....I might care about him. He whiffed on so many levels, so I don't.

If Mcdaniels had.....

-Won a SINGLE game as head coach

-Ever been the playoffs as a head coach

-Ever received any official accolade league wide

-Supported his most important player

-Any experience at all at running a team


... I might not think he is going to fail badly. He has never accomplished anything while being charge, so I think he will fail.

TailgateNut
04-30-2009, 10:19 AM
Factually that is not true.

Jay was the man until Mcdaniels wanted a new man. You can't be the man anymore when your boss wants to replace you.

We all know, although some people seem to choose to ignore it that Cutler came to Dove Valley numerous times before the offseason began to study the playbook with Mcdaniels. If you want to get out, you don't do that. Mcdaniels then goes after his old QB, fair enough, but in doing so sends the signal that Cutler is not the man, you don't replace the man.

Oh, and all the Goodmen were fired, one because he didn't want to be subordinate to Xanders and the others because Bowlen didn't want any awkward situations of having to chose loyalty to the organization over the family or the other way around.


ALL BS.


****ler (sp) was told to "LAY OF THE SAUCE", and didn't like being told what to do.

tsiguy96
04-30-2009, 10:45 AM
If Mcdaniels had.....

-Won a SINGLE game as head coach

-Ever been the playoffs as a head coach

-Ever received any official accolade league wide

-Supported his most important player

-Any experience at all at running a team


... I might not think he is going to fail badly. He has never accomplished anything while being charge, so I think he will fail.


hes never lost a game, never failed at running a team, never lost a playoff game, and publicly stated MULTIPLE times that "jay cutler is our QB"

he had to say it publicly because he could not get a hold of jay via phone, jay shut it off and plugged his ears so he wouldnt hear it. then high fived everyone when he found out he was traded.

Arkie
04-30-2009, 10:50 AM
Oh, by the way... I encountered a Boltz fan while out and about tonight. Fwiw, he said he doesn't think the Broncos will be in contention for anything but the division cellar in '09.

(waiting for the accusation of "lying" from someone who was not there and has no clue what was or was not said....)

I think all 4 teams are in contention for the cellar, but only Denver and SD have the mediocrity to contend for the AFCW title. Realistically, we're rebuilding. There may be some growing pains, but we are closer than we were 5 months ago. Your sig pics are backwards according to the caption.

broncocalijohn
04-30-2009, 11:07 AM
Am I the only one who finds this board's obsession with Alcohol very strange? The pro-Cutler people say Bowlen is a drunk, and the pro-Front Office people say Cutler is a drunk.

yes, but the pro-front office people actually are accurate while the pro-Cutler crowd are just being unoriginal and cant find their own vocabulary.

Blueflame
04-30-2009, 11:08 AM
AND???? Since when does the opinion of a bandwagon "boltzfan" count???

This guy wasn't a bandwagoner, though, TGN... he was the masochistic sort who's been a Boltz fan for a while. :)

Blueflame
04-30-2009, 11:17 AM
I think all 4 teams are in contention for the cellar, but only Denver and SD have the mediocrity to contend for the AFCW title. Realistically, we're rebuilding. There may be some growing pains, but we are closer than we were 5 months ago. Your sig pics are backwards according to the caption.

We're rebuilding and Rome wasn't built in a day. My expectation is 6 or fewer wins this year.

As to my sig pic, I didn't draw it; Drew Litton did. If you don't like it, take it up with him.

TailgateNut
04-30-2009, 11:21 AM
This guy wasn't a bandwagoner, though, TGN... he was the masochistic sort who's been a Boltz fan for a while. :)


BUT, what makes him an expert on OUR TEAM and OUR CHANCES of succes and failure.

Just because he wears a gay ass light blue jersey doesn't improve his skills of predicting the future.:wiggle:

gyldenlove
04-30-2009, 11:23 AM
hes never lost a game, never failed at running a team, never lost a playoff game, and publicly stated MULTIPLE times that "jay cutler is our QB"

he had to say it publicly because he could not get a hold of jay via phone, jay shut it off and plugged his ears so he wouldnt hear it. then high fived everyone when he found out he was traded.

If not losing a game and never failling at running a team is good, then why didn't we just hire someone from Mcdonalds? that would be much cheaper, they would be just as good as Mcdaniels with that logic.

See, when Mcdaniels said "Jay Cutler is our QB" he was actually lying or misquoted. What he really meant was "Jay Cutler is our QB because I can't get my hands on anyone I want".

gyldenlove
04-30-2009, 11:25 AM
I think all 4 teams are in contention for the cellar, but only Denver and SD have the mediocrity to contend for the AFCW title. Realistically, we're rebuilding. There may be some growing pains, but we are closer than we were 5 months ago. Your sig pics are backwards according to the caption.

According to Mcdaniels winning is the expectation, so if we are rebuilding it is news to our head coach and he should know.

Blueflame
04-30-2009, 11:29 AM
BUT, what makes him an expert on OUR TEAM and OUR CHANCES of succes and failure.

Just because he wears a gay ass light blue jersey doesn't improve his skills of predicting the future.:wiggle:

His opinion was based on years of following the sport.

He wasn't wearing a light blue jersey... it was a more-manly looking dark blue baseball cap with an ugly lightning bolt on it. :P

TailgateNut
04-30-2009, 11:37 AM
His opinion was based on years of following the sport.

P


....and the rest of us just started "following the sport" last week.ROFL!

We know NOTHING, and our opinion is crap!

vancejohnson82
04-30-2009, 11:41 AM
His opinion was based on years of following the sport.

He wasn't wearing a light blue jersey... it was a more-manly looking dark blue baseball cap with an ugly lightning bolt on it. :P

I spent the draft (both days) in New York with Jets and Giants fans....

after the Jets fans were done high-fiving and taking Jager bombs with their shirts off yelling, "DIRTY SANCHEZ!!!!'...they told me they thought the Broncos had the second best draft of the weekend....

They're opinion carries as much weight as the mysterious, clairvoyant Chargers fan in the lightning bolt cap

fdf
04-30-2009, 11:46 AM
"My buddy Skip used to be the best in the neighborhood at building legos" said McDaniels... "If that doesn't constitute formal training to run our scouting department, I don't know what does. We'll be a better organization with him."

I know his name was in a quote. But couldn't you have changed it to something clever, like "McPoopyHead" or something?

Blueflame
04-30-2009, 11:46 AM
....and the rest of us just started "following the sport" last week.ROFL!

We know NOTHING, and our opinion is crap!

Now, I did not say that... those are your words; not mine.

Blueflame
04-30-2009, 11:49 AM
I spent the draft (both days) in New York with Jets and Giants fans....

after the Jets fans were done high-fiving and taking Jager bombs with their shirts off yelling, "DIRTY SANCHEZ!!!!'...they told me they thought the Broncos had the second best draft of the weekend....

They're opinion carries as much weight as the mysterious, clairvoyant Chargers fan in the lightning bolt cap

Most draft grades I've seen for the Broncos have been in the "C" to "D" range... my own opinion is that the trade of next year's #1 sank it to an "F". Unless, of course, the shorty CB plays at a Champ Bailey level...

The Joker
04-30-2009, 11:51 AM
I just can't bring myself to be upset that Cutler's gone, even if he was a much better QB than anyone we have on our roster.

Guy was an a-hole, you could see it during the season in press conferences after games we lost. He was sulky, snappy with his answers and generally just not what you want from the supposed leader of your team.

Like many others, I tried to turn a blind eye to this because, afterall, he was our QB at the end of the day. On top of that, he was playing well and his mistakes were something I believed could be ironed out.

But it didn't happen, and I'm not sure it ever will. If anything he got worse as the year went on, and pretty much stunk the place up the last few games. 4 TD's and 5 INT's in December is not what I expect from an elite QB.

In order to improve, you need to admit your failings and try to work on them. Judging from Jay's demeanor, particularly after losses, he doesn't strike me as the kind of guy whose humble enough to admit he can improve.

He's an incredibly talented QB, there's no denying this, and I'm sure he'll make a lot of plays in Chicago and win some games for them. But I doubt he'll ever become an All-Pro talent who we'll spend the rest of our lives regretting we traded away.

As for who was really to blame for the whole affair, I'm not really sure. But I doubt either side regrets how it turned out.

Jay went to his boyhood team, and got away from a coach that I suspect he never really wanted to play for.

And McDaniels has a QB who he can actually coach, even if that QB is a lot less talented than Jay. McDaniels' system doesn't require a QB who'll make miracle plays, and I think we'll do just fine next year. On offense, anyway.

The Joker
04-30-2009, 11:53 AM
Most draft grades I've seen for the Broncos have been in the "C" to "D" range... my own opinion is that the trade of next year's #1 sank it to an "F". Unless, of course, the shorty CB plays at a Champ Bailey level...

Yes, because all 1st round CB's (that's what we've basically said we expect from "shorty") play at a Champ Bailey level.

Tombstone RJ
04-30-2009, 11:54 AM
Most draft grades I've seen for the Broncos have been in the "C" to "D" range... my own opinion is that the trade of next year's #1 sank it to an "F". Unless, of course, the shorty CB plays at a Champ Bailey level...

It's way too early to grade out drafts and when sites do grade drafts out it's mainly because they want to generate hits or sell papers.

If Smith is anything like Antoine Winfield then the Broncos got a hellava player. I hope he Smith turns into the Broncos version of Winfield, but I won't know this until he's played a few years.

Blueflame
04-30-2009, 11:55 AM
Yes, because all 1st round CB's (that's what we've basically said we expect from "shorty") play at a Champ Bailey level.

If he doesn't, then "I" don't think we got good value from the trade of next year's first round pick... it will then be my opinion that the Seachickens took advantage of a rookie front office.

Tombstone RJ
04-30-2009, 11:57 AM
I just can't bring myself to be upset that Cutler's gone, even if he was a much better QB than anyone we have on our roster.

Guy was an a-hole, you could see it during the season in press conferences after games we lost. He was sulky, snappy with his answers and generally just not what you want from the supposed leader of your team.

Like many others, I tried to turn a blind eye to this because, afterall, he was our QB at the end of the day. On top of that, he was playing well and his mistakes were something I believed could be ironed out.

But it didn't happen, and I'm not sure it ever will. If anything he got worse as the year went on, and pretty much stunk the place up the last few games. 4 TD's and 5 INT's in December is not what I expect from an elite QB.

In order to improve, you need to admit your failings and try to work on them. Judging from Jay's demeanor, particularly after losses, he doesn't strike me as the kind of guy whose humble enough to admit he can improve.

He's an incredibly talented QB, there's no denying this, and I'm sure he'll make a lot of plays in Chicago and win some games for them. But I doubt he'll ever become an All-Pro talent who we'll spend the rest of our lives regretting we traded away.

As for who was really to blame for the whole affair, I'm not really sure. But I doubt either side regrets how it turned out.

Jay went to his boyhood team, and got away from a coach that I suspect he never really wanted to play for.

And McDaniels has a QB who he can actually coach, even if that QB is a lot less talented than Jay. McDaniels' system doesn't require a QB who'll make miracle plays, and I think we'll do just fine next year. On offense, anyway.

QFT

Blueflame
04-30-2009, 11:57 AM
It's way too early to grade out drafts and when sites do grade drafts out it's mainly because they want to generate hits or sell papers.

If Smith is anything like Antoine Winfield then the Broncos got a hellava player. I hope he Smith turns into the Broncos version of Winfield, but I won't know this until he's played a few years.

Everyone does, though. Drafts are "graded" right from the moment a pick is made.

Smith could be a good acquisition... but I'm not sure he was worth next year's first rounder. I suppose that depends on precisely where the pick winds up being, but the consensus around here (in light of the tough schedule) seems to be that it could very well be in the top ten.

The Joker
04-30-2009, 11:57 AM
If he doesn't, then "I" don't think we got good value from the trade of next year's first round pick... it will then be my opinion that the Seachickens took advantage of a rookie front office.

You seriously expect a rookie cornerback to play at the same level as arguably the greatest player to ever play the position?

Rabb
04-30-2009, 12:01 PM
It is nearly impossible to judge how the 1st rounder was spent unless Smith is a total bust.

I am not expecting Champ Bailey talent because that is not something that is in every draft, or every other draft or every 5 years of a draft. I am expecting a guy that will kick ass on special teams and contribute in the secondary. If he plays up to say Darrent Williams then we win.

Everybody assumes that next year's top 10-15 is gold and we gave it up. The fact is, nobody knows and all we can do is have faith that they made the correct "right now" read on it.

If the kid works out, and next year has a soft class then McDaniels will be a genius but he clearly (and the rest of the decision makers) made an educated guess based on need and the talent next year versus this year as well as other team's needs as to when to pull the trigger on him.

After seeing our secondary last year...I would argue that while the front 7 did not do them any favors....it was easily as bad as the front 7 was sans Champ. Also, Champ is clearly not the same guy and is probably rounding second right now in his career. That is not me bashing him, I love him...probably my favorite Bronco right now but it is the truth. Having a young guy for him to groom might make that kid a first round talent that we stole in the second.

Blueflame
04-30-2009, 12:06 PM
You seriously expect a rookie cornerback to play at the same level as arguably the greatest player to ever play the position?

I think that if he doesn't play at a very high level, the decision to trade our #1 to move up and take him was unwise.

outdoor_miner
04-30-2009, 12:08 PM
If he doesn't, then "I" don't think we got good value from the trade of next year's first round pick... it will then be my opinion that the Seachickens took advantage of a rookie front office.

haha - set the Front Office up for impossible expectations so you can be disappointed when they don't reach them. Champ Bailey is the best cornerback in the NFL in the past 10 years. So, you are saying that we absolutely would have gotten a player of Champ Bailey's level next year with that draft pick?

Also, what about this... Let's say next year, we get the 10th pick in the first round (just for arguments sake). These are the salaries of the 10th pick and the 37th pick from the 2008 draft:

Jerod Mayo 7/24/2008: Signed a five-year, $18.9 million contract. The deal includes $13.8 million guaranteed. 2009: $2.25 million, 2010: $2.7 million, 2011: $3.15 million, 2012: $3.6 million, 2013: Free Agent

Curtis Lofton 7/25/2008: Signed a four-year, $4.578 million contract. The deal contains $2.6 million guaranteed, including a $1.6 million signing bonus. 2009: $445,000, 2010: $508,000, 2011: $602,000, 2012: Free Agent

So, if we sign Smith to a contract similar to Lofton's, it allows us to spend the money that we saved on another player. And not just an ordinary player. We could sign a very good player for the difference between those contracts. In my opinion, if Smith turn out to be a very good starting cornerback for the Broncos for many years (I would define that as a borderline Pro Bowler), this will be a good deal for us. If he is nothing more than an average #2 CB, then I think it was a bad deal. So, hopefully their talent evaluation is spot on. However, to state that Smith has to be a super star is (in my opinion) just another way to root for McDaniels to fail.

Rabb
04-30-2009, 12:12 PM
I think that if he doesn't play at a very high level, the decision to trade our #1 to move up and take him was unwise.

I agree that he should pan out to make it a win but comparing him to Champ is like saying that Cutler should have been as good as Elway based on where he was drafted

I just think that is an unfair expectation

cabronco
04-30-2009, 12:12 PM
I just can't bring myself to be upset that Cutler's gone, even if he was a much better QB than anyone we have on our roster.

Guy was an a-hole, you could see it during the season in press conferences after games we lost. He was sulky, snappy with his answers and generally just not what you want from the supposed leader of your team.

Like many others, I tried to turn a blind eye to this because, afterall, he was our QB at the end of the day. On top of that, he was playing well and his mistakes were something I believed could be ironed out.

But it didn't happen, and I'm not sure it ever will. If anything he got worse as the year went on, and pretty much stunk the place up the last few games. 4 TD's and 5 INT's in December is not what I expect from an elite QB.

In order to improve, you need to admit your failings and try to work on them. Judging from Jay's demeanor, particularly after losses, he doesn't strike me as the kind of guy whose humble enough to admit he can improve.

He's an incredibly talented QB, there's no denying this, and I'm sure he'll make a lot of plays in Chicago and win some games for them. But I doubt he'll ever become an All-Pro talent who we'll spend the rest of our lives regretting we traded away.

As for who was really to blame for the whole affair, I'm not really sure. But I doubt either side regrets how it turned out.

Jay went to his boyhood team, and got away from a coach that I suspect he never really wanted to play for.

And McDaniels has a QB who he can actually coach, even if that QB is a lot less talented than Jay. McDaniels' system doesn't require a QB who'll make miracle plays, and I think we'll do just fine next year. On offense, anyway.



Totally agree. Im done with the whole fiasco, Im just pissed I have 2 barely used Cutler jerseys that are now shop rags. Its just an observation by me, but did anyone notice how excited Jay was when he got called by the Broncos on draft day ? He looked like he was on hold to verizon the whole time and never gave an excited expresion of getting drafted like all the other 1st rounders. I dont think Denver was the place he wanted from the get-go.. JMO

Blueflame
04-30-2009, 12:13 PM
haha - set the Front Office up for impossible expectations so you can be disappointed when they don't reach them. Champ Bailey is the best cornerback in the NFL in the past 10 years. So, you are saying that we absolutely would have gotten a player of Champ Bailey's level next year with that draft pick?

Also, what about this... Let's say next year, we get the 10th pick in the first round (just for arguments sake). These are the salaries of the 10th pick and the 37th pick from the 2008 draft:

Jerod Mayo 7/24/2008: Signed a five-year, $18.9 million contract. The deal includes $13.8 million guaranteed. 2009: $2.25 million, 2010: $2.7 million, 2011: $3.15 million, 2012: $3.6 million, 2013: Free Agent

Curtis Lofton 7/25/2008: Signed a four-year, $4.578 million contract. The deal contains $2.6 million guaranteed, including a $1.6 million signing bonus. 2009: $445,000, 2010: $508,000, 2011: $602,000, 2012: Free Agent

So, if we sign Smith to a contract similar to Lofton's, it allows us to spend the money that we saved on another player. And not just an ordinary player. We could sign a very good player for the difference between those contracts. In my opinion, if Smith turn out to be a very good starting cornerback for the Broncos for many years (I would define that as a borderline Pro Bowler), this will be a good deal for us. If he is nothing more than an average #2 CB, then I think it was a bad deal. So, hopefully their talent evaluation is spot on. However, to state that Smith has to be a super star is (in my opinion) just another way to root for McDaniels to fail.

Not quite accurate... the front office set themselves up for possible criticism through their draft day decision. My opinion is that squandering a first rounder (albeit next year's) to acquire a second-round pick is going to be second-guessed and the front office that did it is going to be criticized if the player taken does not immediately show that he was valuable enough to justify the move.

Blueflame
04-30-2009, 12:18 PM
I agree that he should pan out to make it a win but comparing him to Champ is like saying that Cutler should have been as good as Elway based on where he was drafted

I just think that is an unfair expectation

Point taken...it was a bit of an exaggeration on my part to say "Champ Bailey level". Would you agree, then that he has to play at a higher level than Bly? Better than Foxworth? I think he needs to be starting within 2 seasons at the very least in order to be worth that first round pick.

Pseudofool
04-30-2009, 12:19 PM
First rounders flame out all the time, and some turn out to be quality pieces and just not stars. It seems we are setting a higher standard for Smith than any normal first rounder.

vancejohnson82
04-30-2009, 12:23 PM
Point taken...it was a bit of an exaggeration on my part to say "Champ Bailey level". Would you agree, then that he has to play at a higher level than Bly? Better than Foxworth? I think he needs to be starting within 2 seasons at the very least in order to be worth that first round pick.

For the first time ever I'm going to agree with you Flame...

He's gotta to be getting big PT within two seasons to argue for the trade....and I think he will

Blueflame
04-30-2009, 12:23 PM
First rounders flame out all the time, and some turn out to be quality pieces and just not stars. It seems we are setting a higher standard for Smith than any normal first rounder.

Not really. I think a rookie front office reached and possibly made a big mistake that will bite them in the azz, that's all. I don't like the decision they made (because I think they gave up more value than they got), which isn't really a surprise because I've only really liked one move they've made in their brief tenure (the acquisition of Dawkins). I'm a skeptical fan who will need a lot of convincing that they maybe do know what they're doing and aren't in way over their heads.

outdoor_miner
04-30-2009, 12:24 PM
Not quite accurate... the front office set themselves up for possible criticism through their draft day decision. My opinion is that squandering a first rounder (albeit next year's) to acquire a second-round pick is going to be second-guessed and the front office that did it is going to be criticized if the player taken does not immediately show that he was valuable enough to justify the move.

Well, I agree that they left themselves open to criticism by making that move... There's no doubt about that. That's one thing I like about what McDaniels has been doing. There is no passing the buck or deflecting blame with the decisions he has made. He is not being conservative. He is not following conventional wisdom of the talking heads (you need D-Line help!!!). He has a plan and he is executing on it. Obviously, a bunch of people don't like the plan. I guess I see the potential. I look at this Smith move, and like I said above, I see a way to get a first round talent at a much cheaper price than what a 1st rounder is normally paid. I think that's good business and is potentially a good way to build a solid all-around football team. Not a team built around a bunch of high priced "stars" with heaping piles of dung for the supporting case, but rather a true balanced team with good football players at all positions.

Now, if Smith doesn't pan out... McDaniels is absolutely screwed. There will be no hiding from the fact that it was a terrible, terrible move on his part. However, if Smith is a very good player, an integral part of the team, then I think this is a success.

Blueflame
04-30-2009, 12:27 PM
Well, I agree that they left themselves open to criticism by making that move... There's no doubt about that. That's one thing I like about what McDaniels has been doing. There is no passing the buck or deflecting blame with the decisions he has made. He is not being conservative. He is not following conventional wisdom of the talking heads (you need D-Line help!!!). He has a plan and he is executing on it. Obviously, a bunch of people don't like the plan. I guess I see the potential. I look at this Smith move, and like I said above, I see a way to get a first round talent at a much cheaper price than what a 1st rounder is normally paid. I think that's good business and is potentially a good way to build a solid all-around football team. Not a team built around a bunch of high priced "stars" with heaping piles of dung for the supporting case, but rather a true balanced team with good football players at all positions.

Now, if Smith doesn't pan out... McDaniels is absolutely screwed. There will be no hiding from the fact that it was a terrible, terrible move on his part. However, if Smith is a very good player, an integral part of the team, then I think this is a success.

Yep...it was a gamble on the front office's part...a very risky decision that may or may not work out in their favor.

Rabb
04-30-2009, 12:29 PM
Point taken...it was a bit of an exaggeration on my part to say "Champ Bailey level". Would you agree, then that he has to play at a higher level than Bly? Better than Foxworth? I think he needs to be starting within 2 seasons at the very least in order to be worth that first round pick.

that I agree with, absolutely

Garcia Bronco
04-30-2009, 12:34 PM
Factually that is not true.

Jay was the man until Mcdaniels wanted a new man. You can't be the man anymore when your boss wants to replace you.
.

Except McDaniels didn't try to replace him. You guys are shoveling ****. It's been confirmed by the Bucs and BB that 1 the bucs brought up the idea and 2 BB was never offered any deal or he would have took it.

And before that Jay Cutler had already asked for a trade when the former OC was let go. Jay Cutler caused all of this.

Garcia Bronco
04-30-2009, 12:35 PM
We all know, although some people seem to choose to ignore it that Cutler came to Dove Valley numerous times before the offseason began to study the playbook with Mcdaniels. If you want to get out, you don't do that. Mcdaniels then goes after his old QB, fair enough, but in doing so sends the signal that Cutler is not the man, you don't replace the man.



It doesn't matter, once the former OC was let go he stopped coming in and asked for a trade.

Rabb
04-30-2009, 12:36 PM
And before that Jay Cutler had already asked for a trade when the former OC was let go. Jay Cutler caused all of this.

it is funny how people forget what a bitch he was when they let Bates go

HAT
04-30-2009, 12:40 PM
I suppose that depends on precisely where the pick winds up being, but the consensus around here (in light of the tough schedule) seems to be that it could very well be in the top ten.

Per other threads...I put absolutely no stock in these types of projections but FWIW.....Most sites have our SOS ranked around 19 or 20.

Garcia Bronco
04-30-2009, 12:41 PM
Oh, and all the Goodmen were fired, one because he didn't want to be subordinate to Xanders and the others because Bowlen didn't want any awkward situations of having to chose loyalty to the organization over the family or the other way around.

That's what I said. One was fired and the other was let go because it was his son that got fired. Either way you put it...they did it to themselves by not working with the new GM.

Pseudofool
04-30-2009, 12:41 PM
Not really. I think a rookie front office reached and possibly made a big mistake that will bite them in the azz, that's all. I don't like the decision they made (because I think they gave up more value than they got), which isn't really a surprise because I've only really liked one move they've made in their brief tenure (the acquisition of Dawkins). I'm a skeptical fan who will need a lot of convincing that they maybe do know what they're doing and aren't in way over their heads.
It might be a reach, but it's hardly that damaging. It's the difference of two dozen draft slots (or far, far less), so it's not that BIG of a mistake no matter what happens.

Is the player that we would have drafted in next year's draft any less likely to flame out, just because he'd be picked higher? That's the logic that you're using.

Pseudofool
04-30-2009, 12:42 PM
it is funny how people forget what a b**** he was when they let Bates goHow did you expect Jay to act. Who was going to hold his binky while he was on the field?

Garcia Bronco
04-30-2009, 12:43 PM
BF...I don't think for a minute that Coach McDaniels is at all intimidated by our schedule

TailgateNut
04-30-2009, 12:44 PM
How did you expect Jay to act. Who was going to hold his binky while he was on the field?

:spit:

Rabb
04-30-2009, 12:45 PM
How did you expect Jay to act. Who was going to hold his binky while he was on the field?

HAHAHAHAHA

Blueflame
04-30-2009, 12:47 PM
Per other threads...I put absolutely no stock in these types of projections but FWIW.....Most sites have our SOS ranked around 19 or 20.

That's only because we play the Raiders and Chiefs twice. Our non-division schedule is very tough. (NFC East, AFC North + the Patriots and Colts).

gyldenlove
04-30-2009, 12:47 PM
Except McDaniels didn't try to replace him. You guys are shoveling ****. It's been confirmed by the Bucs and BB that 1 the bucs brought up the idea and 2 BB was never offered any deal or he would have took it.

And before that Jay Cutler had already asked for a trade when the former OC was let go. Jay Cutler caused all of this.

You only need 1 starting QB, so if you bring in a starting QB that means you replace the old one. If Mcdaniels really genuinely didn't look to replace Cutler, then why was he involved in trade talks? Here is how it would have gone down if Mcdaniels didn't want to replace Cutler:

Bucs: "We want to make a deal for Cutler, we will send you some picks that you can send to New England for Cassel."

Mcdaniels: "No thank you, I am not looking to replace Cutler."

That is not how it went down, and that has been confirmed by Mcdaniels.

Well Cutler clearly got over Bates being fired, since he came in and went over the playbook with Mcdaniels several times after Bates was gone.

gyldenlove
04-30-2009, 12:48 PM
It doesn't matter, once the former OC was let go he stopped coming in and asked for a trade.

Well he came in several times with Mcdaniels after Bates was gone and went over the playbook.

Blueflame
04-30-2009, 12:48 PM
It might be a reach, but it's hardly that damaging. It's the difference of two dozen draft slots (or far, far less), so it's not that BIG of a mistake no matter what happens.

Is the player that we would have drafted in next year's draft any less likely to flame out, just because he'd be picked higher? That's the logic that you're using.

I suppose you're right that this front office would have been just as capable of screwing up the pick next year as they were this year... Ha!

Blueflame
04-30-2009, 12:50 PM
BF...I don't think for a minute that Coach McDaniels is at all intimidated by our schedule

He should be. His work is cut out for him and if the team winds up below .500, it's going to ratchet up the heat on him and his decisions.

Garcia Bronco
04-30-2009, 12:50 PM
Bucs: "We want to make a deal for Cutler, we will send you some picks that you can send to New England for Cassel."

Mcdaniels: "No thank you, I am not looking to replace Cutler."

That is not how it went down, and that has been confirmed by Mcdaniels.



That's what happened

Garcia Bronco
04-30-2009, 12:51 PM
He should be. His work is cut out for him and if the team winds up below .500, it's going to ratchet up the heat on him and his decisions.

If he is he needs to quit now. He's not. I'll drive 1000 feet down the road and ask him :)

Pseudofool
04-30-2009, 12:52 PM
I suppose you're right that this front office would have been just as capable of screwing up the pick next year as they were this year... Ha!Well, that's pretty cynical. The point is that the pick next year is an abstraction that, yes, could potentially be a better player than Smith, and could potentially be much worse. If McD values Smith as a first rounder than its a moot point, because he probably would have drafted a Smith-clone next year in the first round if given the chance.

Btw, and digs at McD's ability to scout players is pretty baseless without seeing his guys play.

Blueflame
04-30-2009, 12:54 PM
If he is he needs to quit now. He's not. I'll drive 1000 feet down the road and ask him :)

I dunno... I think he needs to at least respect the quality of the other teams we'll be facing this year. It's not going to be a cakewalk.

Blueflame
04-30-2009, 12:55 PM
Well, that's pretty cynical. The point is that the pick next year is an abstraction that, yes, could potentially be a better player than Smith, and could potentially be much worse. If McD values Smith as a first rounder than its a moot point, because he probably would have drafted a Smith-clone next year in the first round if given the chance.

Btw, and digs at McD's ability to scout players is pretty baseless without seeing his guys play.

... and here I used a smiley and everything to indicate that the post wasn't dead serious.... ::)

Pseudofool
04-30-2009, 12:57 PM
... and here I used a smiley and everything to indicate that the post wasn't dead serious.... ::) It seemed like you were laughing at your own joke, rather than signaling sarcasm. More than that, it's consist with the argument you've been making throughout this thread. But my bad.

Garcia Bronco
04-30-2009, 12:59 PM
I dunno... I think he needs to at least respect the quality of the other teams we'll be facing this year. It's not going to be a cakewalk.

I am sure he thinks that about the other 31 teams. The difference between the best and worst team in this league in tiny.

TailgateNut
04-30-2009, 01:02 PM
I am sure he thinks that about the other 31 teams. The difference between the best and worst team in this league in tiny.

The Raiders being the exception to the rule.:wiggle: The recycling station of the NFL!

Blueflame
04-30-2009, 01:04 PM
It seemed like you were laughing at your own joke, rather than signaling sarcasm. More than that, it's consist with the argument you've been making throughout this thread. But my bad.

In all candor, I do think spending the first rounder was.. "foolhardy" is a good word. While I freely acknowledge that I could be totally wrong (and hope fervently that I am),the front office still has to convince me that they're not too "green" and are capable of playing the game with more experienced HCs/GMs.

Meck77
04-30-2009, 01:15 PM
Ok I'm going to get real technical here.

OUR TEAM SUCKED DONKEY BALLS. We needed drastic change.

Blue you coming to a game this year or are you on a personal protest still?

fdf
04-30-2009, 01:16 PM
It's way too early to grade out drafts and when sites do grade drafts out it's mainly because they want to generate hits or sell papers.

Well, it works. We're discussing it. :)

TailgateNut
04-30-2009, 01:21 PM
Ok I'm going to get real technical here.

OUR TEAM SUCKED DONKEY BALLS. We needed drastic change.

Blue you coming to a game this year or are you on a personal protest still?



:rofl:

The real question is, are you coming to a game, or are you still on a personal protest!:wiggle:

gyldenlove
04-30-2009, 01:22 PM
That's what happened

No it isn't.

Meck77
04-30-2009, 01:28 PM
:rofl:

The real question is, are you coming to a game, or are you still on a personal protest!:wiggle:

Good point. Yes my battle with the government is over.

I'll be down for some games for sure. It's just a lot different trying to mobilize a tailgate when you live 4hrs away. You if anyone would understand what I'm saying. I plan on pulling the bus out a couple times and the games I don't have the time I'll just show up with a sixer and a couple porterhouses and find a grill or maybe catch a couple scraps that Jester throws out. ;D

fdf
04-30-2009, 01:30 PM
The Raiders being the exception to the rule.:wiggle: The recycling station of the NFL!

More like the landfill.

Hercules Rockefeller
04-30-2009, 01:53 PM
Most draft grades I've seen for the Broncos have been in the "C" to "D" range... my own opinion is that the trade of next year's #1 sank it to an "F". Unless, of course, the shorty CB plays at a Champ Bailey level...

Wow, that's great. BTW, a lot of those experts you're now using to attack Denver's draft this year, weren't big fans of last year's draft either. That same draft you now use in defense of Shanahan and the Goodmans. USA Today even gave it an F and had it ranked as the worst draft in the league IIRC. So which is it, do these experts know what they're talking about, or do they not?

Garcia Bronco
04-30-2009, 03:06 PM
No it isn't.

Yeah it is. Other people from different teams have confirmed this. Cutler did this to us, not the front office.

HEAV
04-30-2009, 03:48 PM
This is getting tedious. I wish you'd just get over it already.

First: I have been over it. I was just posting a blog/opinion piece from a site that many on here link. If I didn't post it someone else sure would have and from all the responses and talk going on (5 pages) it seems the topic still has legs. Just becuase I posted it added "piss off value" to you and you crew.

Second: Issac telling anyone to get over anything is the kettle telling the pot. The same guy that flamed away on Plummer, cried his eyes out about Griese and had a meltdown over Shanny... you're a hack Issac.

Fact is it's a Denver Broncos topic from a Denver Broncos site. It's not where in the world is Spider thread or another mad drunken rambling form mock. It's also not another bash the coach and make cute funny names with Mc(enter term) or wishing the guy fails or gets aids and the other crap you allow on your site.

Finally GO F yourself Issac. You think you're better than all.

Taco John
04-30-2009, 03:50 PM
Angry little man.

skunk
04-30-2009, 03:58 PM
milehighreport.com sucks ****

HEAV
04-30-2009, 04:00 PM
Angry little man.

:spit:

Agian Kettle :welcome:
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=75568

Instead of being douch-bag why don't you concentrate on getting more stones for the site, bring back SIG's, bring back Avatars (not just for your MODs) Speaking of which 2 of your MOD's are just as angry as you, or do you ignore their posting...

Tombstone RJ
04-30-2009, 04:15 PM
First: I have been over it. I was just posting a blog/opinion piece from a site that many on here link. If I didn't post it someone else sure would have and from all the responses and talk going on (5 pages) it seems the topic still has legs. Just becuase I posted it added "piss off value" to you and you crew.

Second: Issac telling anyone to get over anything is the kettle telling the pot. The same guy that flamed away on Plummer, cried his eyes out about Griese and had a meltdown over Shanny... you're a hack Issac.

Fact is it's a Denver Broncos topic from a Denver Broncos site. It's not where in the world is Spider thread or another mad drunken rambling form mock. It's also not another bash the coach and make cute funny names with Mc(enter term) or wishing the guy fails or gets aids and the other crap you allow on your site.

Finally GO F yourself Issac. You think you're better than all.

It's pretty sad when the owner of a fan posting site actually wants you to quit posting... think about that for a second... makes you go hmmmmmm.

HEAV
04-30-2009, 04:23 PM
It's pretty sad when the owner of a fan posting site actually wants you to quit posting... think about that for a second... makes you go hmmmmmm.

Even more reason not to stop!

He can't stand it when someone calls him out for his ****.

BroncoBuff
04-30-2009, 04:56 PM
IIRC, wasn't he a Bears fan growing up? Man, if I were drafted by, say the 49ers, I'd be loyal to them.

Exactly ... he didn't seem too pleased to me, either.

Was very low key at his introductory press conference there ....

Blueflame
04-30-2009, 06:21 PM
Ok I'm going to get real technical here.

OUR TEAM SUCKED DONKEY BALLS. We needed drastic change.

Blue you coming to a game this year or are you on a personal protest still?

We're not sure yet... have to see how the financial situation looks a little closer to September. :) Sixstringlass was really hoping the Steelers game would be scheduled for September (and thus a possibility for OM Weekend).

doonwise
04-30-2009, 10:39 PM
jay Cutler Was Traded????!!!!! :)

OABB
04-30-2009, 11:28 PM
milehighreport.com sucks ****


Perhaps you can give him some pointers on how to write enthralling work. Your above post is well structured complete with interlocking subtext and fanciful artistry. A truly fascinating prose. I personally liked how you used the term "sucks" to describe your displeasure and capped it off with a brilliant ****. Truly wonderful.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
04-30-2009, 11:53 PM
So what part was the lie?

Taco John
05-01-2009, 12:57 AM
Even more reason not to stop!

He can't stand it when someone calls him out for his ****.


You seriously think that anything you post bothers me in the least? I'm more than happy to give you the opportunity to nip at my ankles. I barely notice. Your angry little man attacks on me are about as inconsequential as it gets.