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JCMElway
04-28-2009, 11:36 PM
I know, it's way early, but why not?

QB - Orton, Simms, Brandstater
RB - Buckhalter, Torrain, Moreno, L. Jordan
FB - Hillis
WR - Marshall, Royal, Stokely, Gaffney, McKinley
TE - Graham, Sheffler, Quinn
T - Clady, Harris, Polumbus
G - Kuper, Hamilton, McChesney, Olsen
C - Wiegmann, Lichtenstieger

DE - Ayers, Reid, Peterson, Pedescleaux, M Thomas, Powell
DT - Fields, Baker, J Parker
OLB - Moss, Bailey, Dumerville, L Robinson
ILB - Davis, DJ, Woodyard, Larsen
CB - Champ, Goodman, A Smith, JMFW
S - Dawkins, Hill, McBath, Bruton

K - Prater
P - Kern
LS - Paxton

BroncoMan4ever
04-28-2009, 11:43 PM
I know, it's way early, but why not?

QB - Orton, Simms, Brandstater
RB - Buckhalter, Torrain, Moreno, L. Jordan
FB - Hillis
WR - Marshall, Royal, Stokely, Gaffney, McKinley
TE - Graham, Sheffler, Quinn
T - Clady, Harris, Polumbus
G - Kuper, Hamilton, McChesney, Olsen
C - Wiegmann, Lichtenstieger

DE - Ayers, Reid, Peterson, Pedescleaux, M Thomas, Powell
DT - Fields, Baker, J Parker
OLB - Moss, Bailey, Dumerville, L Robinson
ILB - Davis, DJ, Woodyard, Larsen
CB - Champ, Goodman, A Smith, JMFW
S - Dawkins, Hill, McBath, Bruton

K - Prater
P - Kern
LS - Paxton

i think you can toss off, McChesney, Boss, JMFW, and add Barrett back onto the roster. also, i think we keep 6 receivers. McDaniels like his players in the secondary, and Barrett has to much physical ability to not be kept around and he likes to toss the ball around so more receivers is likely

Hulamau
04-28-2009, 11:46 PM
Barrett will be the fifth safety, Moss not likey to make it but might out of lack of OLB warm bodies unless a couple of these UDFA's shine ( as I hope). Boss I have cvan make it back but not certain about taht with his multiple knee issues and microfracture as well.

And no way we go into this season with only 5 WR. Not with all the 3 WR sets McD runs. 6 WR minimum and at least one or two more on the PS.

BTW do they get 10 guys this year on PS or is it still 8? 10 would be very nice.

want2bAbronco2
04-28-2009, 11:47 PM
I agree about boss, but I dont think you toss JMFW. He has only been in the league 1yr!

JCMElway
04-28-2009, 11:52 PM
Good point about the multiple WR sets. I'd drop L Jordan and add Chad Jackson. He showed some glimpses last year, and his speed would stretch the field.

OrangeRising
04-29-2009, 12:03 AM
I know, it's way early, but why not?

QB - Orton, Simms, Brandstater
RB - Buckhalter, Torrain, Moreno, L. Jordan
FB - Hillis
WR - Marshall, Royal, Stokely, Gaffney, McKinley
TE - Graham, Sheffler, Quinn
T - Clady, Harris, Polumbus
G - Kuper, Hamilton, McChesney, Olsen
C - Wiegmann, Lichtenstieger

DE - Ayers, Reid, Peterson, Pedescleaux, M Thomas, Powell
DT - Fields, Baker, J Parker
OLB - Moss, Bailey, Dumerville, L Robinson
ILB - Davis, DJ, Woodyard, Larsen
CB - Champ, Goodman, A Smith, JMFW
S - Dawkins, Hill, McBath, Bruton

K - Prater
P - Kern
LS - Paxton

Interesting roster, to say the least. We get to see who survived the great purges.

Training camp will determine who's who, of course, but I can't imagine McDaniels burying Moreno on the depth chart, if that was a depth chart.

He'll start Moreno if the kid flashes the skill everyone seems to think he has.

That Paxton signing still irritates me if only because it signaled McDaniels intentions to strip the roster down to the primer and start over with 'his' guys, and it just wasn't necessary in some well documented and argued cases.

I'm not sure Boss Bailey is a 'go' either. He might be nudged into retirement because that knee may be chronic.

Elway777
04-29-2009, 12:28 AM
I really hope to God that Ayers does not play De in 3-4 but can start at outside linebacker or it could be a complete waste of a first rounder. Dumervil and Bailey starting at outside linebacker also scares the hell out of me. I would run the ball right at them for 9 yards a carry every time .I hope the Broncos go after Jason Taylor and Vonnie Halladay. Taylor, Williams, Larson and Ayers at linebacker with Halladay, Fields and Thomas on the front line would be a decent front 7.

cutthemdown
04-29-2009, 12:51 AM
I agree about boss, but I dont think you toss JMFW. He has only been in the league 1yr!

I think Broncos like Mcbath because he can play CB and FS. Jack Williams will have to show something to stick around. I think players like him should really look to sell out early in camp on special teams. How a player performs on special teams will determine the bkups.

I really believe the new coach will do that more then Shanny did. IMO Shanny wanted bkups he thought would make good starters. In the end he ended up with bkups who weren't very good at selling out on special teams. More like guys waiting for chance to start.

BroncoMan4ever
04-29-2009, 02:12 AM
I really hope to God that Ayers does not play De in 3-4 but can start at outside linebacker or it could be a complete waste of a first rounder. Dumervil and Bailey starting at outside linebacker also scares the hell out of me. I would run the ball right at them for 9 yards a carry every time .I hope the Broncos go after Jason Taylor and Vonnie Halladay. Taylor, Williams, Larson and Ayers at linebacker with Halladay, Fields and Thomas on the front line would be a decent front 7.

i see Ayers playing SOLB in the 3-4 and when we switch into the 4-3 he puts his hand in the dirt and plays DE.

BroncoMan4ever
04-29-2009, 02:15 AM
I think Broncos like Mcbath because he can play CB and FS. Jack Williams will have to show something to stick around. I think players like him should really look to sell out early in camp on special teams. How a player performs on special teams will determine the bkups.

I really believe the new coach will do that more then Shanny did. IMO Shanny wanted bkups he thought would make good starters. In the end he ended up with bkups who weren't very good at selling out on special teams. More like guys waiting for chance to start.

that's one thing i never cared for with Mike. he was always willing to break the bank on starters, but there was never any depth behind them.

that is what i like about the Pats. no matter who gets injured, the backup steps right in and they don't skip a beat. Mike's teams were never like that, a starter got injured and we all knew we were screwed.

chickennob2
04-29-2009, 03:08 AM
i think you can toss off, McChesney, Boss, JMFW, and add Barrett back onto the roster. also, i think we keep 6 receivers. McDaniels like his players in the secondary, and Barrett has to much physical ability to not be kept around and he likes to toss the ball around so more receivers is likely

I disagree completely. Barrett does not at all fit in with the type of guys we've added. He has very poor ball skills, and doesn't seem like an intelligent guy. JMFW has very good ball skills, and McD obviously doesn't have a problem with short corners. I'd say keep JMFW, drop Barrett.

Also, I'd say Crowder is more likely to stick than Moss.

Definitely on the roster:
QB: Orton, Simms
HB: Moreno, Buckhalter
FB: Hillis
WR: Marshall, Royal, Gaffney
TE: Graham, Quinn
OT: Clady, Harris, Polumbus
OG: Hamilton, Kuper, Olsen
C: Weigman, Lichtensteiger

DE: Thomas, Peterson
NT: Fields, Baker
OLB: Reid, Ayers, Crowder, Dumervil
ILB: DJ, David, Larsen, Woodyard
CB: Bailey, Goodman, Smith, JMFW
S: Dawkins, Hill, McBath, Bruton

Specialists: Paxton, Prater, Kern

That's 41 guys. For the remaining 12 spots,

QB: Brandstater
HB: Jordan, Torain
WR: Stokely, McKinley
TE: Scheffler

DE: Clemons
NT: Powell
OLB: Moss, Robinson
CB: Bell
S: Barrett


This leaves Bailey as the biggest cut. The other wildcard would be a Scheffler trade, but we would still likely keep 3 TEs.

So the final roster:
QB: Orton, Simms, Brandstater
HB: Moreno, Buckhalter, Jordan, Torain
FB: Hillis
WR: Marshall, Royal, Stokely, Gaffney, McKinley
TE: Graham, Quinn, Scheffler
OT: Clady, Harris, Polumbus
OG: Hamilton, Kuper, Olsen
OC: Weigman, Lichtensteiger

DE: Thomas, Peterson, Clemons (Powell)
NT: Fields, Baker, Powell
OLB: Reid, Dumervil, Ayers, Crowder, Moss, Robinson
ILB: Williams, Davis, Larsen, Woodyard
CB: Bailey, Goodman, Smith, JMFW, Bell
S: Dawkins, Hill, McBath, Bruton, Barrett

LS: Paxton
K: Prater
P: Kern

Breaker
04-29-2009, 03:54 AM
Moreno had better be the starter or there was no reason to draft him this year and we wasted the pick on the offensive side of the ball. RB is one of the easier positions that make an immediate impact in the NFL, look at Chris Johnson last year. That is even more true considering the offensive line. Moreno had better be the starter or be out with an injury or there in no justification for drafting him with the #12 overall.

Don't give me that crap about what if Buckhalter or the other guys play better, you invested the draft pick and the #1 should ALWAYS play, that is why you drafted him.

Breaker
04-29-2009, 04:00 AM
Barrett will be the fifth safety, Moss not likey to make it but might out of lack of OLB warm bodies unless a couple of these UDFA's shine ( as I hope). Boss I have cvan make it back but not certain about taht with his multiple knee issues and microfracture as well.

And no way we go into this season with only 5 WR. Not with all the 3 WR sets McD runs. 6 WR minimum and at least one or two more on the PS.

BTW do they get 10 guys this year on PS or is it still 8? 10 would be very nice.

Shooting from the hip here, what about trying to stick Barrett at OLB.

Dude is 6'2 225 and was known as a really good run stuffer in college. Ran a 4.3 40, and is a big hitter. You could pack another 10 lbs in muscle without losing major speed to bring him up to 235

D.J. is 6'1 242, you add those ten lbs to Barrett and you are close. Plus he is a guy who could drop and cover the TE because he has some coverage skills from playing S. I would be more comfortable with Barrett as the OLB than trying to stick Dummerville or Moss on the outside.

Honestly I have no idea where to stick Dummerville, it is obvious that he can't play end in a 3-4 because he is going to get knocked out of the way really easily.

cmhargrove
04-29-2009, 05:50 AM
If that is a depth chart, Moreno is in the wrong place.

Wait until training camp, this kid is going to sell some jerseys in Denver... And, he is a straight up great character kid, well spoken, and mature. Whether you know it or not, Moreno will be the "face of the franchise" by mid season, and that's a good thing in my book. Understated, confident, goal driven, loves the game, wants to be the next Walter Peyton. No temper tantrums, girlfriend beatings, DUI's.

Moreno jerseys will be the schnizzle by mid season.

TheReverend
04-29-2009, 05:54 AM
Don't forget, McDaniels has already publicly said he doesn't want to carry more than 6, so factor in inactive players and it really should be 7 or 8 max.

Popcorn Sutton
04-29-2009, 06:03 AM
I disagree completely. Barrett does not at all fit in with the type of guys we've added. He has very poor ball skills, and doesn't seem like an intelligent guy. JMFW has very good ball skills, and McD obviously doesn't have a problem with short corners. I'd say keep JMFW, drop Barrett.

Also, I'd say Crowder is more likely to stick than Moss.

Definitely on the roster:
QB: Orton, Simms
HB: Moreno, Buckhalter
FB: Hillis
WR: Marshall, Royal, Gaffney
TE: Graham, Quinn
OT: Clady, Harris, Polumbus
OG: Hamilton, Kuper, Olsen
C: Weigman, Lichtensteiger

DE: Thomas, Peterson
NT: Fields, Baker
OLB: Reid, Ayers, Crowder, Dumervil
ILB: DJ, David, Larsen, Woodyard
CB: Bailey, Goodman, Smith, JMFW
S: Dawkins, Hill, McBath, Bruton

Specialists: Paxton, Prater, Kern

That's 41 guys. For the remaining 12 spots,

QB: Brandstater
HB: Jordan, Torain
WR: Stokely, McKinley
TE: Scheffler

DE: Clemons
NT: Powell
OLB: Moss, Robinson
CB: Bell
S: Barrett


This leaves Bailey as the biggest cut. The other wildcard would be a Scheffler trade, but we would still likely keep 3 TEs.

So the final roster:
QB: Orton, Simms, Brandstater
HB: Moreno, Buckhalter, Jordan, Torain
FB: Hillis
WR: Marshall, Royal, Stokely, Gaffney, McKinley
TE: Graham, Quinn, Scheffler
OT: Clady, Harris, Polumbus
OG: Hamilton, Kuper, Olsen
OC: Weigman, Lichtensteiger

DE: Thomas, Peterson, Clemons (Powell)
NT: Fields, Baker, Powell
OLB: Reid, Dumervil, Ayers, Crowder, Moss, Robinson
ILB: Williams, Davis, Larsen, Woodyard
CB: Bailey, Goodman, Smith, JMFW, Bell
S: Dawkins, Hill, McBath, Bruton, Barrett

LS: Paxton
K: Prater
P: Kern


No Schleuter?

dbfan21
04-29-2009, 06:14 AM
Shooting from the hip here, what about trying to stick Barrett at OLB.

Dude is 6'2 225 and was known as a really good run stuffer in college. Ran a 4.3 40, and is a big hitter. You could pack another 10 lbs in muscle without losing major speed to bring him up to 235

D.J. is 6'1 242, you add those ten lbs to Barrett and you are close. Plus he is a guy who could drop and cover the TE because he has some coverage skills from playing S. I would be more comfortable with Barrett as the OLB than trying to stick Dummerville or Moss on the outside.

Honestly I have no idea where to stick Dummerville, it is obvious that he can't play end in a 3-4 because he is going to get knocked out of the way really easily.

That's not a bad idea (Barrett to OLB). If Barrett could bulk up, his size and speed would make him very vesatile! I have little faith in Moss, but I can see Dumervil being successful in the transition from DE to OLB.

barryr
04-29-2009, 06:30 AM
I think too early for this. I think this team will still be making moves this summer.

chickennob2
04-29-2009, 06:44 AM
No Schleuter?

A 7th round pick, coming in at under 290 pounds? Sounds like a practice squad guy to me. He's very scheme specific, so little chance he gets scooped up by another team. I feel we go the same route with this kid that we did with Greg Eslinger.

Mogulseeker
04-29-2009, 06:45 AM
Boss Bailey shouldn't make the final roster

chickennob2
04-29-2009, 06:47 AM
Shooting from the hip here, what about trying to stick Barrett at OLB.

Dude is 6'2 225 and was known as a really good run stuffer in college. Ran a 4.3 40, and is a big hitter. You could pack another 10 lbs in muscle without losing major speed to bring him up to 235

D.J. is 6'1 242, you add those ten lbs to Barrett and you are close. Plus he is a guy who could drop and cover the TE because he has some coverage skills from playing S. I would be more comfortable with Barrett as the OLB than trying to stick Dummerville or Moss on the outside.

Honestly I have no idea where to stick Dummerville, it is obvious that he can't play end in a 3-4 because he is going to get knocked out of the way really easily.


Absolutely not. IF Barrett can pack on 10 pounds, he'll still be 7 pounds lighter than DJ. And everyone considers DJ to be a little too small for a 3-4 backer. Find me ONE 3-4 linebacker, inside or out, less than 240 pounds. IF we were running the Shanny 4-3, he MIGHT make an Ian Gold type of linebacker, but that kind of player has no role in a 3-4 defense.

Dempsey Dog
04-29-2009, 06:55 AM
What about Arrington? I think if his health is good, he has a chance. He is versatile with his speed, catching ability, and return skills. He and Buckhalter are similiar so they could be fighting for a spot, but JJ is 2 years younger and 30 is ofter a turning point for RBs.

He was one of the first guys we went after in FA and we continued to do so even after he showed up on crutches. I think it points to McD's liking for the guy.

IMHO it will be one of these guys who fill the "Faulk" role.

Last point, NE's 2008 roster only had 4 backs, but like the Broncos, they too went through several and McD might want to keep several.

I bet Moreno gets stuck on the practice squad.

Thouhgts?

Popcorn Sutton
04-29-2009, 07:18 AM
A 7th round pick, coming in at under 290 pounds? Sounds like a practice squad guy to me. He's very scheme specific, so little chance he gets scooped up by another team. I feel we go the same route with this kid that we did with Greg Eslinger.

gotcha, but the 3 UDFA's are a lock for the roster.... :thumbs:

chickennob2
04-29-2009, 07:22 AM
gotcha, but the 3 UDFA's are a lock for the roster.... :thumbs:

Well, they play at much bigger positions of need. As far as interior linemen, we're pretty set. I don't see McD carrying more than 8 OLinemen, so I just don't think there's room for him on the roster. Whereas at NT and OLB, we will have some roster spots available, given our current lack of depth, so I see them as being more likely to make the roster.

Popcorn Sutton
04-29-2009, 07:38 AM
Well, they play at much bigger positions of need. As far as interior linemen, we're pretty set. I don't see McD carrying more than 8 OLinemen, so I just don't think there's room for him on the roster. Whereas at NT and OLB, we will have some roster spots available, given our current lack of depth, so I see them as being more likely to make the roster.

I know man, just messin with ya.

SonOfLe-loLang
04-29-2009, 08:29 AM
Don't count on the newly signed Griesen

Houshyamama
04-29-2009, 11:03 AM
Absolutely not. IF Barrett can pack on 10 pounds, he'll still be 7 pounds lighter than DJ. And everyone considers DJ to be a little too small for a 3-4 backer. Find me ONE 3-4 linebacker, inside or out, less than 240 pounds. IF we were running the Shanny 4-3, he MIGHT make an Ian Gold type of linebacker, but that kind of player has no role in a 3-4 defense.

Most are between 240 and 250. Not saying I don't agree with you about Barrett... just sayin...

Chargers:
Brandon Siler LB 239
Stephen Cooper LB 235

Ravens:
Brendon Ayanbadejo LB 228
Tavares Gooden LB 235

Browns:
David Holloway LB 234
Kaluka Maiava LB 229

Cowboys:
Stephen Hodge LB 236
Steve Octavien LB 238
Matt Stewart LB 239

Jets:
Nate Harris LB 230
Larry Izzo LB 228
Brandon Renkart 236

Patriots:
Bo Ruud LB 234

Steelers:
Patrick Bailey LB 235
Larry Foote LB 239
Keyaron Fox LB 235
Lawrence Timmons LB 234
Donovan Woods LB 230

Dutch
04-29-2009, 11:23 AM
If that is a depth chart, Moreno is in the wrong place.

Wait until training camp, this kid is going to sell some jerseys in Denver... And, he is a straight up great character kid, well spoken, and mature. Whether you know it or not, Moreno will be the "face of the franchise" by mid season, and that's a good thing in my book. Understated, confident, goal driven, loves the game, wants to be the next Walter Peyton. No temper tantrums, girlfriend beatings, DUI's.

Moreno jerseys will be the schnizzle by mid season.

Completely agree. I've watched this kid play at UGA from the start. In our system? With our O-line? Please. OROY is a real possibility. My Georgia buds all called me after the draft just stoked for him. If the Falcons weren't going to take him (bigger needs), they all wanted him to go somewhere that would be a great opportunity for him. All will root for him throughout his pro career. We are getting a great guy, a great locker room leader, team player, and solid citizen. LOVE the pick.

Slade
04-29-2009, 11:27 AM
QB - Orton, Simms, Brandstater
RB - Moreno, Buckhalter, Torrain, Arrington
FB - Hillis, L. Jordan
WR - Marshall, Royal, Stokely, Gaffney, McKinley
TE - Graham, Sheffler, Quinn
T - Clady, Polumbus
T - Harris
G - Kuper, Olsen
G - Hamilton
C - Wiegmann, Lichtenstieger

DE - Ayers, Pedescleaux
DE - M Thomas, Powell, R Jones
DT - Fields, Baker
OLB - Dumerville, L Robinson
OLB - Reid
ILB - Davis, Woodyard, Larsen
ILB - DJ, Greisen
CB - Champ, JMFW, J Bell
CB - Goodman, A Smith
S - Dawkins, McBath, Bruton
S - Hill, Barrett

K - Prater
P - Kern
LS - Paxton

Greisen, Bruton, Arrington and Reid are locks b/c of their special teams play. Our Defense is versatile b/c Thomas, Powell, Ayers, Baker and DJ can play multiple positions. On offense Lamont Jordan will be only a short yardage back. Torrain and Barrett are not gone this year cause they are young, but the writing is on the wall with so much depth in those positions. OLB is still an area of weakness...we need to sign a vet! The next player to be cut would be R. Jones.

gyldenlove
04-29-2009, 11:32 AM
QB: Orton, Simms and Tom B
RB: Moreno, Hillis, Torain, Buckhalter and Arrington
FB: none
TE: Graham, Scheffler, Quinn
WR: Marshall, Royal, Stokley, Gaffney, Mckinley
OT: Harris, Clady, Polumbus
OG: Kuper, Hamilton, Olsen
OC: Wiegman, Lichtensteiger

24

DT: Thomas, Powell, Baker, Fields
DE: Crowder, Dumervil, Ayers, Peterson, Mcbean
OLB: Bailey, Woodyard, Green
ILB: Williams, Davis, Larsen, Greisen
S: Dawkins, Hill, Mcbath, Barrett, Bruton
CB: Bailey, Goodman, Smith, JMFW, Bell

26

KPLS: Prater, Kern, Paxton

3

socalorado
04-29-2009, 11:40 AM
QB: Orton, Simms and Tom B
RB: Moreno, Hillis, Torain, Buckhalter and Arrington
FB: none
TE: Graham, Scheffler, Quinn
WR: Marshall, Royal, Stokley, Gaffney, Mckinley
OT: Harris, Clady, Polumbus
OG: Kuper, Hamilton, Olsen
OC: Wiegman, Lichtensteiger

24

DT: Thomas, Powell, Baker, Fields
DE: Crowder, Dumervil, Ayers, Peterson, Mcbean
OLB: Bailey, Woodyard, Green
ILB: Williams, Davis, Larsen, Greisen
S: Dawkins, Hill, Mcbath, Barrett, Bruton
CB: Bailey, Goodman, Smith, JMFW, Bell

26

KPLS: Prater, Kern, Paxton

3

No Jarvis "the destructor" Moss !?!?!? Hilarious!

telluride
04-29-2009, 11:44 AM
I have no clue about the final roster just yet, but I really wish the NFL would increase the numbers for the active roster, and the practice squad.

BroncoMan4ever
04-29-2009, 12:19 PM
why do so many people keep bringing up that just because Torain is cheap, somehow he keeps a roster spot?

look at the Pats way of doing things. they cut a 2nd round draft pick after his first training camp a couple seasons ago because he sucked and they overlooked the cap hit to dump him. McDaniels has shown he has no desire to keep players who either don't fit his system or won't contribute.

when it is going to come down to making the roster, McDaniels isn't going to choose based on cap number, he is going to choose based on what that player can contribute. and all Torain can contribute is a warm spot on the bench or a reservation to IR.

he will be cut and i will be glad.

Rohirrim
04-29-2009, 12:22 PM
Everybody forgets the secret weapon:

The Mighty McChesney!

gyldenlove
04-29-2009, 12:39 PM
No Jarvis "the destructor" Moss !?!?!? Hilarious!

He has to have a lights out TC. He is not a good fit at OLB in my book, he is not a fit at all at 5-tech and he has shown little in terms of pass rush.

If he puts it all together he can be good, but I just don't believe it and Mcdaniels has nothing invested in him so he is not safe because of his draft status.

Paladin
04-29-2009, 12:50 PM
Well, at least the Broncso will field a team........

Slade
05-01-2009, 09:22 AM
QB - Orton, Simms, Brandstater
RB - Moreno, Buckhalter, Torrain, Arrington
FB - Hillis, L. Jordan
WR - Marshall, Royal, Stokely, Gaffney, McKinley
TE - Graham, Sheffler, Quinn
T - Clady, Polumbus
T - Harris
G - Kuper, Olsen
G - Hamilton
C - Wiegmann, Lichtenstieger

DE - Ayers, Pedescleaux
DE - M Thomas, Powell, R Jones
DT - Fields, Baker
OLB - Dumerville, L Robinson
OLB - Reid
ILB - Davis, Woodyard, Larsen
ILB - DJ, Greisen
CB - Champ, JMFW, J Bell
CB - Goodman, A Smith
S - Dawkins, McBath, Bruton
S - Hill, Barrett

K - Prater
P - Kern
LS - Paxton

Greisen, Bruton, Arrington and Reid are locks b/c of their special teams play. Our Defense is versatile b/c Thomas, Powell, Ayers, Baker and DJ can play multiple positions. On offense Lamont Jordan will be only a short yardage back. Torrain and Barrett are not gone this year cause they are young, but the writing is on the wall with so much depth in those positions. OLB is still an area of weakness...we need to sign a vet! The next player to be cut would be R. Jones.

This is still looking good, since we cut young! Let's see how things pan out after mini-camp.

BroncoBuff
05-01-2009, 10:51 AM
Boss Bailey shouldn't make the final roster

Why not?

There's a reason why the Lions went 0-16 the year after he left.

montrose
05-02-2009, 08:52 AM
My guess:

(3) QB: K.Orton, C.Simms, T.Brandstater
(4) HB: K.Moreno, C.Buckhalter, J.Arrington, L.Jordan
(1) FB: P.Hillis
(6) WR: B.Marshall, E.Royal, J.Gaffney, B.Stokley, C.Jackson, K.McKinney
(3) TE: D.Graham, T.Scheffler, R.Quinn
(3) OT: R.Clady, R.Harris, T.Polumbus
(3) G: B.Hamilton, C.Kuper, S.Olsen
(2) C: C.Wiegmann, K.Lichtensteiger

(5) DE: M.Thomas, K.Peterson, C.Powell, E.Pedescleaux, R.Davis
(3) DT: R.Fields, C.Baker, M.Askew
(4) OLB: E.Dumervil, R.Ayers, D.Reid, B.Bailey
(4) ILB: D.Williams, A.Davis, W.Woodyard, S.Larsen
(5) CB: C.Bailey, A.Goodman, A.Smith, J.Bell, J.Williams
(4) S: B.Dawkins, R.Hill, D.McBath, D.Bruton

(3) ST: Prater, Kern, Paxton

elsid13
05-02-2009, 09:09 AM
My estimate

(2) QB: K.Orton, C.Simms,
(4) HB: K.Moreno, P. Hillis, J.Arrington, R Torian
(*) FB: P.Hillis/ S. Larson
(5) WR: B.Marshall, E.Royal, J.Gaffney, C.Jackson, K.McKinney
(3) TE: D.Graham, T.Scheffler, R.Quinn
(3) OT: R.Clady, R.Harris, T.Polumbus
(3) G: B.Hamilton, C.Kuper, S.Olsen
(3) C: C.Wiegmann, K.Lichtensteiger ,BSchlueter

(6) DE: M.Thomas, K.Peterson, C.Powell, E.Pedescleaux, R.Davis, R Bean
(3) DT: R.Fields, C.Baker, J Paker (Thomas, and Powell will flex inside)
(6) OLB: E.Dumervil, R.Ayers, D.Reid, B.Bailey, M. Haggen, J Schweiger
(5) ILB: D.Williams, A.Davis, W.Woodyard, S.Larsen,L Robinson
(5) CB: C.Bailey, A.Goodman, A.Smith, J.Bell, J.Williams
(4) S: B.Dawkins, R.Hill, D.McBath, D.Bruton

(3) ST: Prater, Kern, Paxton

PS - Swift, K Moore, B Kelly, Tom Brandstater

ward63
05-03-2009, 01:44 PM
My estimate

(2) QB: K.Orton, C.Simms,
(4) HB: K.Moreno, P. Hillis, J.Arrington, R Torian
(*) FB: P.Hillis/ S. Larson
(5) WR: B.Marshall, E.Royal, J.Gaffney, C.Jackson, K.McKinney
(3) TE: D.Graham, T.Scheffler, R.Quinn
(3) OT: R.Clady, R.Harris, T.Polumbus
(3) G: B.Hamilton, C.Kuper, S.Olsen
(3) C: C.Wiegmann, K.Lichtensteiger ,BSchlueter

(6) DE: M.Thomas, K.Peterson, C.Powell, E.Pedescleaux, R.Davis, R Bean
(3) DT: R.Fields, C.Baker, J Paker (Thomas, and Powell will flex inside)
(6) OLB: E.Dumervil, R.Ayers, D.Reid, B.Bailey, M. Haggen, J Schweiger
(5) ILB: D.Williams, A.Davis, W.Woodyard, S.Larsen,L Robinson
(5) CB: C.Bailey, A.Goodman, A.Smith, J.Bell, J.Williams
(4) S: B.Dawkins, R.Hill, D.McBath, D.Bruton

(3) ST: Prater, Kern, Paxton

PS - Swift, K Moore, B Kelly, Tom Brandstater

I don't see Josh trading pics to take Brandstater and then putting him on the PS

elsid13
05-03-2009, 01:47 PM
I don't see Josh trading pics to take Brandstater and then putting him on the PS

I think that at end of the day, that Brandstater will on practice squad give the depth in other areas of the team more need.

ward63
05-03-2009, 01:51 PM
Lose Mcbean or Schweiger and add Tom

KipCorrington25
05-03-2009, 02:59 PM
Boss Bailey will be on IR by the third preseason game, I was shocked he made it to opening day last year, that was a big season for him playing in what, 4 games?

s0phr0syne
05-03-2009, 03:09 PM
Like others, I think Stokley is in danger of getting the boot due to no ST. His WR production was also dropping off towards the end of the season last year, IMO. Haven't looked at the numbers, but I just remember a few plays where I thought the Stokley of yesteryear would have definitely made the play. Jarvis is obviously on the bubble, but I think we've got to give him chance to prove his worth at 3-4 OLB.

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(3) QB: K.Orton, C.Simms, T.Brandstater
(4) HB: K.Moreno, C.Buckhalter, J.Arrington, L.Jordan
(1) FB: P.Hillis
(6) WR: B.Marshall, E.Royal, J.Gaffney, K.McKinley, C.Jackson, B.Stokley(?)
(3) TE: D.Graham, T.Scheffler, R.Quinn
(3) OT: R.Clady, R.Harris, T.Polumbus,
(3) G: B.Hamilton, C.Kuper, S.Olsen
(2) C: C.Wiegmann, K.Lichtensteiger

25, but probably 24

(3) DE: K.Peterson, R.Davis, R.Ayers
(4) DT: R.Fields, C.Baker, C.Powell, M.Thomas
(5) OLB: E.Dumervil, D.Reid, B.Bailey, J.Moss, L.Robinson
(5) ILB: D.Williams, A.Davis, N.Greisen, W.Woodyard, S.Larsen
(4) CB: C.Bailey, A.Goodman, A.Smith, J.Bell, D.McBath(S)
(5) S: B.Dawkins, R.Hill, J.Barrett, D.McBath, D.Bruton

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(3) ST: Prater, Kern, Paxton

PS: R.Torain and J.M.F.Williams [Don't know if they have eligibility], N.Swift, E.Pedescleaux, Schlueter, others

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Here's the way I see the defensive depth chart:

3-4 DEs: K.Peterson, M.Thomas, C.Powell, R.Davis, R.Ayers, R.Fields
3-4 NTs: R.Fields, M.Thomas, C.Baker, C.Powell
4-3 DEs: R.Ayers, K.Peterson, E.Dumervil, R.Davis, J.Moss
4-3 DTs: M.Thomas, C.Powell, R.Fields, K.Peterson, D.Reid

3-4 OLBs: E.Dumervil, R.Ayers, D.Reid, B.Bailey, J.Moss, L.Robinson
3-4 ILBs: A.Davis, D.J.Williams, N.Greisen, S.Larsen, W.Woodyard, L.Robinson
4-3 OLBs: D.J.Williams, W.Woodyard, B.Bailey, L.Robinson, N.Greisen
4-3 ILBs: A.Davis, N.Greisen, S.Larsen

Total potential DLs: 10
Total potential LBs: 11
Total Front Seven: 17
Overlap/Tweeners: 4 (E.Dumervil, J.Moss, D.Reid, R.Ayers)

ward63
05-03-2009, 06:28 PM
Jack has no eligibility

orange skier
05-03-2009, 08:46 PM
Like others, I think Stokley is in danger of getting the boot due to no ST. His WR production was also dropping off towards the end of the season last year, IMO. Haven't looked at the numbers, but I just remember a few plays where I thought the Stokley of yesteryear would have definitely made the play. Jarvis is obviously on the bubble, but I think we've got to give him chance to prove his worth at 3-4 OLB.

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(3) QB: K.Orton, C.Simms, T.Brandstater
(4) HB: K.Moreno, C.Buckhalter, J.Arrington, L.Jordan
(1) FB: P.Hillis
(6) WR: B.Marshall, E.Royal, J.Gaffney, K.McKinley, C.Jackson, B.Stokley(?)
(3) TE: D.Graham, T.Scheffler, R.Quinn
(3) OT: R.Clady, R.Harris, T.Polumbus,
(3) G: B.Hamilton, C.Kuper, S.Olsen
(2) C: C.Wiegmann, K.Lichtensteiger

25, but probably 24

(3) DE: K.Peterson, R.Davis, R.Ayers
(4) DT: R.Fields, C.Baker, C.Powell, M.Thomas
(5) OLB: E.Dumervil, D.Reid, B.Bailey, J.Moss, L.Robinson
(5) ILB: D.Williams, A.Davis, N.Greisen, W.Woodyard, S.Larsen
(4) CB: C.Bailey, A.Goodman, A.Smith, J.Bell, D.McBath(S)
(5) S: B.Dawkins, R.Hill, J.Barrett, D.McBath, D.Bruton

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(3) ST: Prater, Kern, Paxton

PS: R.Torain and J.M.F.Williams [Don't know if they have eligibility], N.Swift, E.Pedescleaux, Schlueter, others

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Here's the way I see the defensive depth chart:

3-4 DEs: K.Peterson, M.Thomas, C.Powell, R.Davis, R.Ayers, R.Fields
3-4 NTs: R.Fields, M.Thomas, C.Baker, C.Powell
4-3 DEs: R.Ayers, K.Peterson, E.Dumervil, R.Davis, J.Moss
4-3 DTs: M.Thomas, C.Powell, R.Fields, K.Peterson, D.Reid

3-4 OLBs: E.Dumervil, R.Ayers, D.Reid, B.Bailey, J.Moss, L.Robinson
3-4 ILBs: A.Davis, D.J.Williams, N.Greisen, S.Larsen, W.Woodyard, L.Robinson
4-3 OLBs: D.J.Williams, W.Woodyard, B.Bailey, L.Robinson, N.Greisen
4-3 ILBs: A.Davis, N.Greisen, S.Larsen

Total potential DLs: 10
Total potential LBs: 11
Total Front Seven: 17
Overlap/Tweeners: 4 (E.Dumervil, J.Moss, D.Reid, R.Ayers)



Yeah......I like the way you presented the defense......I just can't help but seeing us playing a whole lot of 4-3......IMHO......we still don't have the 3-4 personnel down yet......but we're close.......I am excited......we're bigger and stronger, possibility of being faster......we're going to surprise some people...this defense is going to be just fine......I really like our new leaders......Dawkins, Davis, Goodman.......and our secondary is so much better than last year......

lostknight
05-03-2009, 10:16 PM
QB - Simms, Orton, Brandstater
RB - Moreno, Buckhalter, Arrington, Torian
FB - Hillis
WR - Marshall, Royal, Stokely, Gaffney, McKinley, Swift
TE - Sheffler, Graham, Quinn
LT - Clady, Polumbus
RT - Harris, (Open position here, if not 2. NE typically carried 5 tackles)
G - Kuper, Hamilton, McChesney, Olsen
C - Wiegmann, Paxton (from the write ups, it appeared that he,not Lichtenstieger, was leading the second team center?)

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DE - Ayers, Reid, Peterson, Powell , M Thomas, Pedescleaux
DT - Baker, Fields, J Parker
OLB - Dumerville , Moss, L Robinson
ILB - DJ, Davis, Woodyard, Larsen
CB - Champ, A Smith, Goodman
S - Dawkins, Hill, Bruton ,McBath

23
K - Prater
P - Kern
LS/C - Paxton

2

s0phr0syne
05-03-2009, 10:38 PM
QB - Simms, Orton, Brandstater
RB - Moreno, Buckhalter, Arrington, Torian
FB - Hillis
WR - Marshall, Royal, Stokely, Gaffney, McKinley, Swift
TE - Sheffler, Graham, Quinn
LT - Clady, Polumbus
RT - Harris, (Open position here, if not 2. NE typically carried 5 tackles)
G - Kuper, Hamilton, McChesney, Olsen
C - Wiegmann, Paxton (from the write ups, it appeared that he,not Lichtenstieger, was leading the second team center?)

27

DE - Ayers, Reid, Peterson, Powell , M Thomas, Pedescleaux
DT - Baker, Fields, J Parker
OLB - Dumerville , Moss, L Robinson
ILB - DJ, Davis, Woodyard, Larsen
CB - Champ, A Smith, Goodman
S - Dawkins, Hill, Bruton ,McBath

23
K - Prater
P - Kern
LS/C - Paxton

2


Hmmm, pretty barebones at some spots.

On the OL, I think it's important to note that Kuper can be RT, Hamilton can play C, and that I think Olsen also has substantial OT experience, although I might be wrong on that last part. I think Kuper, Olsen, Paxton, and Lichtensteiger's versatility gives us quite a bit of flexibility in terms of OL on the final 53.

I think I agree with you that N.Swift definitely has a good chance of beating Chad Jackson out of his roster spot.

I think I'd be surprised if at least one out of this group didn't make the roster, maybe even two: J.Bell, J.M.F.Williams, or J.Barrett.

lostknight
05-03-2009, 10:47 PM
Hmmm, pretty barebones at some spots.

On the OL, I think it's important to note that Kuper can be RT, Hamilton can play C, and that I think Olsen also has substantial OT experience, although I might be wrong on that last part. I think Kuper, Olsen, Paxton, and Lichtensteiger's versatility gives us quite a bit of flexibility in terms of OL on the final 53.

I think I agree with you that N.Swift definitely has a good chance of beating Chad Jackson out of his roster spot.

I think I'd be surprised if at least one out of this group didn't make the roster, maybe even two: J.Bell, J.M.F.Williams, or J.Barrett.

I tend to agree that it's a bit bare bones. The flexible players are going to be the players that survive. I am nowhere near as high on J. Williams and J. Barrett as most on the board are. J.Bell may still make the team.

Elway777
05-03-2009, 11:32 PM
QB - Kyle Orton, Chris Simms, Tom Brandstater
HB - Knowshon Moreno, Correll Buckhalter, LaMont Jordan, JJ Arrington
FB - Peyton Hillis
WR - Brandon Marshall, Jabar Gaffney , Chad Jackson
WR - Eddie Royal, Brandon Stokley, Kenny McKinley
TE - Daniel Graham, Tony Scheffler , Richard Quinn
LT - Ryan Clady, Tyler Polumbus
LG - Ben Hamilton, Seth Olsen
C - Casey Wiegmann
RG - Chris Kuper, Kory Lichtensteiger
RT - Ryan Harris

LE - Marcus Thomas, Kenny Peterson, Nic Clemons
NT - Ronnie Fields, Chris Baker
RE - Carlton Powell, Darrell Reid
LOLB - Elvis Dumervil, Jarvis Moss
LILB - DJ Williams, Wesley Woodyard
RILB - Andra Davis, Nick Greisen, Spencer Larsen
ROLB - Robert Ayers, Boss Bailey
CB - Champ Bailey, Jack Williams
CB - Andre Goodman, Alphonso Smith
FS - Renaldo Hill, Darcel McBath
SS - Brian Dawkins, Josh Barrett, David Bruton


K - Matt Prater
P - Brett Kern
LS - Lonnie Paxton

Practice Squad: DE Rulon Davis, , C Blake Schlueter, , DE Everette Pedescleaux, , LB Lee Robinson
Pup Torain

bcbronc
05-04-2009, 12:52 AM
(3)QB: Orton, Simms, Brandstater
(5)RB: Moreno, Arrington, Jordan, Hillis,
(*)FB: (Larsen),(Hillis)
(3)TE: Scheffler, Graham, Quinn
(5)WR: Marshall, Royal, Gaffney, McKinley, Nate Swift
(3)OT: Clady, Harris, Brandon Gorin
(4)OG: Hamilton, Kuper, Olsen, Pat Murray
(2)C: Weigmann, Lichtensteiger

Offense: 25

(3)DE: Patterson, Clemons, Powell
(2)NT: Fields, Baker
(4)SOLB: Ayers, Reid, Crowder, Bailey
(5)ILB: Davis, DJ, Woodyard, Greisen, Larsen
(2)WOLB: Doom, Moss
(5)CB: Champ, Goodman, Smith, Williams, DJ Johnson
(4)S: Dawkins, Hill, McBath, Bruton

Defense: 25

(3)ST: Prater, Kern, Paxton

Marcus Thomas gets moved for a mid-late pick next year.

PS gets 1 WR, 1 RB, 1 OL, 1 DE, 1 ILB, 1 OLB, 1 DE/ILB/OLB, 1 CB/S

orange skier
05-04-2009, 08:06 PM
Seems like we are all missing the importance of Ryan McBean......he could be pushing Peterson for a spot.........he just might be our DE / SOLB.......????

s0phr0syne
05-04-2009, 08:20 PM
Yeah, mcbean does seem well suited as a 3-4 de, don't know about SOLB, then again wouldn't have thought that about Reid either...

I think McBean and Powell might be the real competition, Peterson appears to be an early McD favorite. Too early to know anything right now, but fun as hell to speculate.

gyldenlove
05-04-2009, 08:48 PM
Mcbean, he just has that Amon Gordon feel to him.

JCMElway
08-05-2009, 11:12 PM
Wanted to see the differences between the first guess and now.

Then:
QB - Orton, Simms, Brandstater
RB - Buckhalter, Torrain, Moreno, L. Jordan
FB - Hillis
WR - Marshall, Royal, Stokely, Gaffney, McKinley
TE - Graham, Sheffler, Quinn
T - Clady, Harris, Polumbus
G - Kuper, Hamilton, McChesney, Olsen
C - Wiegmann, Lichtenstieger

DE - Ayers, Reid, Peterson, Pedescleaux, M Thomas, Powell
DT - Fields, Baker, J Parker
OLB - Moss, Bailey, Dumerville, L Robinson
ILB - Davis, DJ, Woodyard, Larsen
CB - Champ, Goodman, A Smith, JMFW
S - Dawkins, Hill, McBath, Bruton

K - Prater
P - Kern
LS - Paxton

Now:
QB - Orton, Simms, Brandstater
RB - Buckhalter, Torrain, Moreno, L. Jordan
FB - Hillis
WR - Marshall, Royal, Gaffney, Stokely, McKinley
TE - Graham, Scheffler, Quinn
T - Clady, Harris, Oldenberg
G - Kuper, Hamilton, McChesney, Olsen
C - Wiegmann, Lichtenstieger

DE - Reid, Peterson, M Thomas, Powell
DT - Fields, Baker, J Parker, McBean
OLB - Ayers, Dumerville, Crowder
ILB - Davis, DJ, Woodyard, Larsen, L Robinson
CB - Champ, Goodman, A Smith, JMFW
S - Dawkins, Hill, McBath, Bruton, Barrett
K - Prater
P - Kern
LS - Paxton

I think J Parker, McBean, Moss, and Barret are all gonna be on the bubble and one of those guys is gone. I say Moss now unless he shows some heart. If Moss gives the Broncs the slightest reason, one of the other three may go.

Thoughts?

BroncoMan4ever
08-05-2009, 11:28 PM
Wanted to see the differences between the first guess and now.

Then:
QB - Orton, Simms, Brandstater
RB - Buckhalter, Torrain, Moreno, L. Jordan
FB - Hillis
WR - Marshall, Royal, Stokely, Gaffney, McKinley
TE - Graham, Sheffler, Quinn
T - Clady, Harris, Polumbus
G - Kuper, Hamilton, McChesney, Olsen
C - Wiegmann, Lichtenstieger

DE - Ayers, Reid, Peterson, Pedescleaux, M Thomas, Powell
DT - Fields, Baker, J Parker
OLB - Moss, Bailey, Dumerville, L Robinson
ILB - Davis, DJ, Woodyard, Larsen
CB - Champ, Goodman, A Smith, JMFW
S - Dawkins, Hill, McBath, Bruton

K - Prater
P - Kern
LS - Paxton

Now:
QB - Orton, Simms, Brandstater
RB - Buckhalter, Torrain, Moreno, L. Jordan
FB - Hillis
WR - Marshall, Royal, Gaffney, Stokely, McKinley
TE - Graham, Scheffler, Quinn
T - Clady, Harris, Oldenberg
G - Kuper, Hamilton, McChesney, Olsen
C - Wiegmann, Lichtenstieger

DE - Reid, Peterson, M Thomas, Powell
DT - Fields, Baker, J Parker, McBean
OLB - Ayers, Dumerville, Crowder
ILB - Davis, DJ, Woodyard, Larsen, L Robinson
CB - Champ, Goodman, A Smith, JMFW
S - Dawkins, Hill, McBath, Bruton, Barrett
K - Prater
P - Kern
LS - Paxton

I think J Parker, McBean, Moss, and Barret are all gonna be on the bubble and one of those guys is gone. I say Moss now unless he shows some heart. If Moss gives the Broncs the slightest reason, one of the other three may go.

Thoughts?

Barrett is far from a bubble guy. he is on this team unless he ****s up royally in the next couple weeks or in preseason. he has shown a lot in camp and if he shows any ability in preseason he will easily make this team. Nolan and McD both like guys in the secondary, and Barrett has far too much natural ability and measurements that there is almost no way he won't make the team.

also, i think we can toss off McChesney, add on Jackson at the WR spot, McD loves receivers and will keep at least 6, and i would bet on Josh Bell over JMFW

Black59Razor
08-06-2009, 07:36 AM
I think this is closer...

QB(3) Orton, Simms, Brandstater
RB(3) Buckhalter, Moreno, Torain
FB(1) Hillis, (Spencer)
WR(6) Royal, Marshall, Gafney, Stokley, Lloyd, McKinley
TE(3) Graham, Scheffler, Quinn
C(2) Wiegmann, Lichtenstieger
G(3) Kuper, Hamilton, Olsen
T(3) Clady, R Harris, Polumbus
LS(1) Paxton
K/P(2) Prater, Kern
DL(7) Fields, Thomas, Peterson, Powell, Parker, McBean, Baker
OLB(4) Dumervil, Reid, Crowder, Ayers
ILB(5) DJ Williams, A Davis, Woodyard, Larsen, Hagan
CB(5) Champ, Goodman, J Williams, A Smith, DJ Johnson
S(5) B Dawkins, R Hill, Barrett, Bruton, McBath

I think with the uncertainty on the D-line, they will keep extra guys there, such as a developing player like Chris Baker, and they like big guys, so I think J'Vonne Parker sticks. I wouldn't have thought this before camp, but I think Mario Hagan stays. He is involved in alot of defensive sets and is a special teams demon, and he is a big guy too with experience in a 3-4. With Marshall being a question mark, the Broncos keep six receivers, with Brandon Lloyd beating out Chad Jackson. The Broncos always go light on the O-line, and there is no reason to think they won't again. They can always re-sign a Brandon Gorin, etc if needed. Barrett is a lock due to his coverage skills, and will see some time at LB as well. No need to keep four RB's, you can recall LaMont Jordan or Darius Walker at any time. I think DJ Johnson's measureables will earn him a roster spot at Corner over someone like Josh Bell.

Players like B Schleuter, E Pedescleaux, R Davis, L Robinson, N Swift etc are headed to the practice squad.

Just my .02

Irish Stout
08-06-2009, 07:59 AM
I think this is closer...

QB(3) Orton, Simms, Brandstater
RB(3) Buckhalter, Moreno, Torain
FB(1) Hillis, (Spencer)
WR(6) Royal, Marshall, Gafney, Stokley, Lloyd, McKinley
TE(3) Graham, Scheffler, Quinn
C(2) Wiegmann, Lichtenstieger
G(3) Kuper, Hamilton, Olsen
T(3) Clady, R Harris, Polumbus
LS(1) Paxton
K/P(2) Prater, Kern
DL(7) Fields, Thomas, Peterson, Powell, Parker, McBean, Baker
OLB(4) Dumervil, Reid, Crowder, Ayers
ILB(5) DJ Williams, A Davis, Woodyard, Larsen, Hagan
CB(5) Champ, Goodman, J Williams, A Smith, DJ Johnson
S(5) B Dawkins, R Hill, Barrett, Bruton, McBath

I think with the uncertainty on the D-line, they will keep extra guys there, such as a developing player like Chris Baker, and they like big guys, so I think J'Vonne Parker sticks. I wouldn't have thought this before camp, but I think Mario Hagan stays. He is involved in alot of defensive sets and is a special teams demon, and he is a big guy too with experience in a 3-4. With Marshall being a question mark, the Broncos keep six receivers, with Brandon Lloyd beating out Chad Jackson. The Broncos always go light on the O-line, and there is no reason to think they won't again. They can always re-sign a Brandon Gorin, etc if needed. Barrett is a lock due to his coverage skills, and will see some time at LB as well. No need to keep four RB's, you can recall LaMont Jordan or Darius Walker at any time. I think DJ Johnson's measureables will earn him a roster spot at Corner over someone like Josh Bell.

Players like B Schleuter, E Pedescleaux, R Davis, L Robinson, N Swift etc are headed to the practice squad.

Just my .02

I think this is getting pretty close from the current situation, but I wouldn't be at all suprised to see Brandstater placed on the PS just to open up another slot for the likes of Josh Bell.

Gcver2ver3
08-06-2009, 08:47 AM
I think this is closer...

QB(3) Orton, Simms, Brandstater
RB(3) Buckhalter, Moreno, Torain
FB(1) Hillis, (Spencer)
WR(6) Royal, Marshall, Gafney, Stokley, Lloyd, McKinley
TE(3) Graham, Scheffler, Quinn
C(2) Wiegmann, Lichtenstieger
G(3) Kuper, Hamilton, Olsen
T(3) Clady, R Harris, Polumbus
LS(1) Paxton
K/P(2) Prater, Kern
DL(7) Fields, Thomas, Peterson, Powell, Parker, McBean, Baker
OLB(4) Dumervil, Reid, Crowder, Ayers
ILB(5) DJ Williams, A Davis, Woodyard, Larsen, Hagan
CB(5) Champ, Goodman, J Williams, A Smith, DJ Johnson
S(5) B Dawkins, R Hill, Barrett, Bruton, McBath

I think with the uncertainty on the D-line, they will keep extra guys there, such as a developing player like Chris Baker, and they like big guys, so I think J'Vonne Parker sticks. I wouldn't have thought this before camp, but I think Mario Hagan stays. He is involved in alot of defensive sets and is a special teams demon, and he is a big guy too with experience in a 3-4. With Marshall being a question mark, the Broncos keep six receivers, with Brandon Lloyd beating out Chad Jackson. The Broncos always go light on the O-line, and there is no reason to think they won't again. They can always re-sign a Brandon Gorin, etc if needed. Barrett is a lock due to his coverage skills, and will see some time at LB as well. No need to keep four RB's, you can recall LaMont Jordan or Darius Walker at any time. I think DJ Johnson's measureables will earn him a roster spot at Corner over someone like Josh Bell.

Players like B Schleuter, E Pedescleaux, R Davis, L Robinson, N Swift etc are headed to the practice squad.

Just my .02


excellent projection...you may wind up being dead on, but if not here is what i would say might be the changes...

i defenitely see us keeping 6 WRs...but i would guess chad jackson beats out lloyd/mckinley...CJ can play as a WR and a return man on ST...Mckinley can too, but i don't see lloyd contributing as much on ST...so i would take out lloyd and add CJ instead...

i don't think DJ Johnson makes it even though he has shown flashes...my guess is we stay heavy at safety and use one of our safeties as an emergency 5th corner if needed...

thats a lot of ILBs to carry but we may need all of them...if no, then i don't see Hagans making the team, but i hear he's looked pretty good in camp...

my belief is that in order to keep a surprise standout, we have to make a surprise cut to keep that player...

so in order to keep a Hagan/DJ Johnson type player, we have to cut a Stokley/Graham type player as well...

it'll be interesting to see...

Elway777
08-06-2009, 11:55 AM
This is my start of training camp breakdown of 53 man Roster.

Qb; Orton , Simms (2) Brandstater goes to Practice squad

Rb Moreno, Buckhalter, Torrain , Jordon (4) look for Jordon to be cut latter as the Broncos target a speed back from another team like Devin Moore to return kicks.
Fb Hillis (1)
WR Marshall , Royal, Stokley, Gafney,Mckinley, Jackson (6)
Te Graham.Scheffer ,Quinn (3)
OL Clady,Harris,Polumbus,Hamilton,kUPER, Olson, Wiegmann, Lichenstieger (8)

That is 24 players on offence with Jackson and Jordon on the bubble.

The Defence will have 26 players
De Pederson,Thomas, Powell, McBean ( 4)
NT Fields , Parker, Baker (3)
outside Linebacker , Crowder, Ayers, Dumervil, Reid (4)
Inside linebacker Davis,Williams, Woodyard,Larsen. Haggen (5)
CB. Bailey,Goodman, Williams, Smith , Bell (5)
S. Dawkins, Hill, Barrett, Burtain, Mcbath (5)
The 3 defensive guys on buble are Bell , Baker and Haggen
Ls Paxto
K Prater
P Kern

dbfan21
08-06-2009, 12:06 PM
QB: Orton, Simms
RB: Buckhalter, Moreno, Torrain, Jordan
FB: Hillis
WR: Marshall, Royal, Gaffney, Stokley, McKinley, Jackson
TE: Graham, Scheffler, Quinn
OL: Clady, Hamilton, Wiegmann, Kuper, Harris, Polumbus, Olsen, Lichtensteiger, McChesney
DL: Peterson, Thomas, Powell, Fields, McBean, Parker, Baker
LB: Crowder, Ayers, Williams, A. Davis, Woodyard, Reid, Dumervil, Larsen
CB: Bailey, Goodman, Williams, Smith, Bell
S: Dawkins, Hill, Barrett, Bruton, McBath
LS: Paxton
K: Prater
P: Kern

That makes 53. The one that I am most unsure about is Chad Jackson. BLloyd might snag a spot from him if CJack doesn't step up.

Black59Razor
08-06-2009, 12:12 PM
excellent projection...you may wind up being dead on, but if not here is what i would say might be the changes...

i defenitely see us keeping 6 WRs...but i would guess chad jackson beats out lloyd/mckinley...CJ can play as a WR and a return man on ST...Mckinley can too, but i don't see lloyd contributing as much on ST...so i would take out lloyd and add CJ instead...

i don't think DJ Johnson makes it even though he has shown flashes...my guess is we stay heavy at safety and use one of our safeties as an emergency 5th corner if needed...

thats a lot of ILBs to carry but we may need all of them...if no, then i don't see Hagans making the team, but i hear he's looked pretty good in camp...

my belief is that in order to keep a surprise standout, we have to make a surprise cut to keep that player...

so in order to keep a Hagan/DJ Johnson type player, we have to cut a Stokley/Graham type player as well...

it'll be interesting to see...

I like Brandon Lloyd, and I think he is a guy that is going to gain momentum as camp goes along and as the preseason games start. I don't know why, I just have a gut feeling about him, and that he is going to have a good season for us....we'll see.

I think we carry more LB's for two reasons, 1) the 3-4 is a LB-driven defense, and 2) the best players you can bring to special teams on the coverage units are LB's and S's, as they are big enough, fast enough and have the most experience tackling. I also think Hagan is alot like former ST standout Keith Burns, so he will make it.

The Broncos ST's have been horrid over the last several years, and I think that is one area McD realizes he can make an immediate and dramatic improvement with the Broncos. Players like Reid, Hagan, Woodyard, Larsen, Crowder, Ayers, Bruton and Barrett should make the coverage teams much, much better than they have been.

I think DJ Johnson will make it an be stashed for most of the year on the inactive list, but at 6'1"-192, he has the build of an NFL corner, and he is a guy that could really suprise down the road. Personally, I thought he looked pretty good at times at the Sr Bowl, and was suprised when he was not drafted. I saw him projected as high as the third round by some tout services, and then draft weekend came, and he disappeared.

With A Smith and J Williams almost assured roster spots, you would like a bit bigger corner to go with then, rather than carry another undersized player in Josh Bell.

ELEVATION
08-07-2009, 02:03 AM
i think this is what we are gonna be looking at


Offense-25

QB- Kyle Orton/Chris Simms/ Tom Brandstater
RB- Correll Buckhalter/Knowshon Moreno/Ryan Torain/Lamont Jordan
WR-Brandon Marshall/Jabar Gaffney/Eddie Royal/Brandon Stokley/Brandon Llyod/Kevin Mckinnely
FB- Peyton Hillis/(spencer larsen)
TE- Daniel Graham/Tony Sheffler/Richard Quinn

RT- Ryan Harris/Stanley Bryant
RG- Kris Kuper/Korey Lichtenshiger
C- Casey Weigman/(Ben Hamilton)
LG- Ben Hamilton/Seth Olsen
LT- Ryan Clady/(Ryan Harris)

Defense- 25

LDE-Ryan Mcbean/Marcus Thomas
NT- Ronald Fields/Carlton Powell/Chris Baker
RDE-Kenny Peterson/Mathias Askew

OLBL-Darrell Reid/Tim Crowder/(Haggan)
LILB-Andra Davis/Spencer Larsen
ROLB-Elvis Dumervil/Robert Ayers/Mario Haggan
RILB- DJ williams/Wesely Woodyard

SS-Brian Dawkins/David Bruton
FS- Renaldo Hill/Josh Barett/Darcel Mcbath
LCB- Champ Bailey/Alphonso Smith
RCB- Andre Goodman/Jack Williams/(Darcel Mcbath)

Special teams- 3
K- Matt Prater
LS-Lonnie Paxton
P- Brett Kern

KR- Kevin Mckinnely/Eddie Royal
PR- Alphonso smith/Eddie Royal

ward63
08-07-2009, 07:09 AM
I second....just maybe replace Llyod w/Jackson

i think this is what we are gonna be looking at


Offense-25

QB- Kyle Orton/Chris Simms/ Tom Brandstater
RB- Correll Buckhalter/Knowshon Moreno/Ryan Torain/Lamont Jordan
WR-Brandon Marshall/Jabar Gaffney/Eddie Royal/Brandon Stokley/Brandon Llyod/Kevin Mckinnely
FB- Peyton Hillis/(spencer larsen)
TE- Daniel Graham/Tony Sheffler/Richard Quinn

RT- Ryan Harris/Stanley Bryant
RG- Kris Kuper/Korey Lichtenshiger
C- Casey Weigman/(Ben Hamilton)
LG- Ben Hamilton/Seth Olsen
LT- Ryan Clady/(Ryan Harris)

Defense- 25

LDE-Ryan Mcbean/Marcus Thomas
NT- Ronald Fields/Carlton Powell/Chris Baker
RDE-Kenny Peterson/Mathias Askew

OLBL-Darrell Reid/Tim Crowder/(Haggan)
LILB-Andra Davis/Spencer Larsen
ROLB-Elvis Dumervil/Robert Ayers/Mario Haggan
RILB- DJ williams/Wesely Woodyard

SS-Brian Dawkins/David Bruton
FS- Renaldo Hill/Josh Barett/Darcel Mcbath
LCB- Champ Bailey/Alphonso Smith
RCB- Andre Goodman/Jack Williams/(Darcel Mcbath)

Special teams- 3
K- Matt Prater
LS-Lonnie Paxton
P- Brett Kern

KR- Kevin Mckinnely/Eddie Royal
PR- Alphonso smith/Eddie Royal

ELEVATION
08-07-2009, 07:19 AM
I second....just maybe replace Llyod w/Jackson

from the reports it seems jackson doesnt have his ****e together stilll....while llyod is altleast making some good catches....i had jackson before camp, but hearing the reports now i doubt he makes it over llyod or mckinnely....

Irish Stout
08-07-2009, 08:03 AM
This is my start of training camp breakdown of 53 man Roster.

Qb; Orton , Simms (2) Brandstater goes to Practice squad

Rb Moreno, Buckhalter, Torrain , Jordon (4) look for Jordon to be cut latter as the Broncos target a speed back from another team like Devin Moore to return kicks.
Fb Hillis (1)
WR Marshall , Royal, Stokley, Gafney,Mckinley, Jackson (6)
Te Graham.Scheffer ,Quinn (3)
OL Clady,Harris,Polumbus,Hamilton,kUPER, Olson, Wiegmann, Lichenstieger (8)

That is 24 players on offence with Jackson and Jordon on the bubble.

The Defence will have 26 players
De Pederson,Thomas, Powell, McBean ( 4)
NT Fields , Parker, Baker (3)
outside Linebacker , Crowder, Ayers, Dumervil, Reid (4)
Inside linebacker Davis,Williams, Woodyard,Larsen. Haggen (5)
CB. Bailey,Goodman, Williams, Smith , Bell (5)
S. Dawkins, Hill, Barrett, Burtain, Mcbath (5)
The 3 defensive guys on buble are Bell , Baker and Haggen
Ls Paxto
K Prater
P Kern

This is pretty good. I don't see why we'd keep 3 QBs, so Tom B is on PS.

Also, I think there might be a Jackson/Lloyd switch at WR.

ELEVATION
08-08-2009, 12:44 AM
This is pretty good. I don't see why we'd keep 3 QBs, so Tom B is on PS.

Also, I think there might be a Jackson/Lloyd switch at WR.

becasue new england keeps 3 usually.....we arent new england obviously but its definetly a good reason for suspecting 3 qb's on the active....

s0phr0syne
08-08-2009, 06:09 AM
I think the 3 versus 2 QB on the roster thing will be determined more by what we wager the risk would be of putting Brandstater on the PS.

If he shows totally crappy, i mean we're talking bloody diarrhea play during the preseason, then I think it's a lot easier to cut him and not worry that some other team is going to snag him up.

On the other hand if he has some good regularity and consistency during the preseason, it's a lot more risky to cut him and we thus may end up carrying 3 QBs.

Either that or we pick up a QB that's cut off another team. I'd like them to take a look at Josh Johnson from Tampa if he gets cut (Bucs might keep Leftwich, McNown, and Freeman).

Any other interesting QB names that might have value to us?

rmsanger
08-08-2009, 06:16 AM
I think this is closer...

QB(3) Orton, Simms, Brandstater
RB(3) Buckhalter, Moreno, Torain
FB(1) Hillis, (Spencer)
WR(6) Royal, Marshall, Gafney, Stokley, Lloyd, McKinley
TE(3) Graham, Scheffler, Quinn
C(2) Wiegmann, Lichtenstieger
G(3) Kuper, Hamilton, Olsen
T(3) Clady, R Harris, Polumbus
LS(1) Paxton
K/P(2) Prater, Kern
DL(7) Fields, Thomas, Peterson, Powell, Parker, McBean, Baker
OLB(4) Dumervil, Reid, Crowder, Ayers
ILB(5) DJ Williams, A Davis, Woodyard, Larsen, Hagan
CB(5) Champ, Goodman, J Williams, A Smith, DJ Johnson
S(5) B Dawkins, R Hill, Barrett, Bruton, McBath

I think with the uncertainty on the D-line, they will keep extra guys there, such as a developing player like Chris Baker, and they like big guys, so I think J'Vonne Parker sticks. I wouldn't have thought this before camp, but I think Mario Hagan stays. He is involved in alot of defensive sets and is a special teams demon, and he is a big guy too with experience in a 3-4. With Marshall being a question mark, the Broncos keep six receivers, with Brandon Lloyd beating out Chad Jackson. The Broncos always go light on the O-line, and there is no reason to think they won't again. They can always re-sign a Brandon Gorin, etc if needed. Barrett is a lock due to his coverage skills, and will see some time at LB as well. No need to keep four RB's, you can recall LaMont Jordan or Darius Walker at any time. I think DJ Johnson's measureables will earn him a roster spot at Corner over someone like Josh Bell.

Players like B Schleuter, E Pedescleaux, R Davis, L Robinson, N Swift etc are headed to the practice squad.

Just my .02

This... With 1 exception, I think we go with 4 deep at RB (e.g. last year's injuries) and 5 WRs...