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cutthemdown
04-28-2009, 05:39 PM
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/28/greisen-joins-broncos/



Former Baltimore Ravens linebacker Nick Greisen agreed to a one-year contract today with the Denver Broncos, according to a league source.

In seven NFL seasons, Greisen has recorded 255 career tackles and one sack.

Greisen, 29, was released earlier this offseason by Baltimore one year into a three-year, $4 million contract that included a $1 million signing bonus.

The Ravens saved $716,000 against the salary cap by parting ways with Greisen.

A former New York Giants fifth round draft pick from Wisconsin, Greisen is known as a tough reserve linebacker who’s adept at special teams.

cutthemdown
04-28-2009, 05:41 PM
He's started 35 games, is 250 pounds, and could actually start inside for Denver next yr. IMO DJ not physical enough to play inside in a 3-4.

Man-Goblin
04-28-2009, 05:41 PM
It's Greisen's fault.

SonOfLe-loLang
04-28-2009, 05:42 PM
Special teams

cutthemdown
04-28-2009, 05:44 PM
Special teams

Most likely. Good idea too because Broncos sucked at ST. A couple of the rookies are known for special teams, woodyard and larsen seemed like good ST players. If we can add to them maybe we can actually put some fear into the returners.

cutthemdown
04-28-2009, 05:45 PM
Also though sonofleloelang he's started more games at inside MLB in a 3-4 then all the Broncos linebackers we had from last yr.

He may play a lot more then you think.

Popps
04-28-2009, 05:48 PM
http://www.manlyweb.com/realmen/sports/lombardi_trophy.jpg

Popps
04-28-2009, 05:49 PM
Most likely. Good idea too because Broncos sucked at ST. A couple of the rookies are known for special teams, woodyard and larsen seemed like good ST players. If we can add to them maybe we can actually put some fear into the returners.

That's going to change, or at least... it's going to become a focus. The staff made no bones about it this weekend, drafting a lot of secondary and speed guys and specifically saying a couple were hoped to be big ST contributors.

Rulon Velvet Jones
04-28-2009, 05:49 PM
ST fodder.

Or this year's Niko?

Rohirrim
04-28-2009, 05:51 PM
I do see some improvement in STs through some of these pickups and the draft. Of course, after Shanahan's years of "What's STs?" even a little improvement goes a long way.

cutthemdown
04-28-2009, 05:56 PM
That's going to change, or at least... it's going to become a focus. The staff made no bones about it this weekend, drafting a lot of secondary and speed guys and specifically saying a couple were hoped to be big ST contributors.

Yeah I think we both talked about it in another thread. He added lots of WR and Dbacks which like you said should get us downfield quicker. Then we have guys like Woodyard, Larsen, the new SS bruton? is that his name lol, can clean it up.

IMO our coverage wasn't a good mix. They all seemed to be slow. What you need is 2-3 guys who are all capable of breaking free and getting down there to get returner running sideways, making moves. It seemed like buy the time any defenders got down field the returner was always full speed already.

These returners have moves and if you let them run full speed the will use them. After that one or 2 missed tackles and its another 50 yrd return.

I'm looking forward to a team that concentrates on special teams more. Shanny totally ignored them outside of kicking.

Jens1893
04-28-2009, 06:01 PM
ST fodder.

Or this year's Niko?

Niko was a little more expensive.

cutthemdown
04-28-2009, 06:02 PM
ST fodder.

Or this year's Niko?

Well Niko has started 2 games, and Griesen like 30. Griesen played behind to really good inside linebackers but at one point Ravens felt he was worth signing as a FA because he fits the criteria for a solid inside backer in a 3-4.

They dumped him because they didn't want to pay him millions to be a bkup after giving new big money deals to Suggs, Lewis.

This is a good pickup because Broncos biggest problem is they were just too small. Now we have ditched Webster and his 230 pound body. For Davis and Griesen who go 250 plus. So even if talent level the same at least we are bigger and can play more physical.

Drek
04-28-2009, 06:10 PM
Yeah I think we both talked about it in another thread. He added lots of WR and Dbacks which like you said should get us downfield quicker. Then we have guys like Woodyard, Larsen, the new SS bruton? is that his name lol, can clean it up.

IMO our coverage wasn't a good mix. They all seemed to be slow. What you need is 2-3 guys who are all capable of breaking free and getting down there to get returner running sideways, making moves. It seemed like buy the time any defenders got down field the returner was always full speed already.

These returners have moves and if you let them run full speed the will use them. After that one or 2 missed tackles and its another 50 yrd return.

I'm looking forward to a team that concentrates on special teams more. Shanny totally ignored them outside of kicking.

Bruton (the SS from ND) is a pretty good gunner, at least collegiately, so I'd imagine he'd fit into that role along with McBath, Barrett, Jack Williams, etc., whomever looks the most impressive.

I said for years now the problems we've had on special teams start and end with how Shanahan always built his depth chart. Starters didn't work in STs coverage or as anything but the return guy if he could help it. Backups where preferentially vets who didn't do STs either. End result? The back of the roster filler ended up comprising our special teams almost entirely.

Now we're moving to a style of roster building where the second stringers are expected to be STs contributors, in fact being one is what will win you the roster spot. We draft accordingly and next thing you know our second string is actually comprised of young athletes who embrace STs work.

cutthemdown
04-28-2009, 06:14 PM
Bruton (the SS from ND) is a pretty good gunner, at least collegiately, so I'd imagine he'd fit into that role along with McBath, Barrett, Jack Williams, etc., whomever looks the most impressive.

I said for years now the problems we've had on special teams start and end with how Shanahan always built his depth chart. Starters didn't work in STs coverage or as anything but the return guy if he could help it. Backups where preferentially vets who didn't do STs either. End result? The back of the roster filler ended up comprising our special teams almost entirely.

Now we're moving to a style of roster building where the second stringers are expected to be STs contributors, in fact being one is what will win you the roster spot. We draft accordingly and next thing you know our second string is actually comprised of young athletes who embrace STs work.

Which is why I mentioned I worry about Stokely. We all love him but he fits that old way of thinking. He is at best a 3rd, if gaffney comes on maybe a 4th, he gets hurt a little bit here and there, and doesn't play special teams.

colonelbeef
04-28-2009, 06:17 PM
Griesen is a nice backup and ST pickup.

The one move I really like from the offseason is picking up Andra Davis, he is a stout player who should help against the run immensely.

PRBronco
04-28-2009, 06:19 PM
Interesting fact from his wikipedia:

"On July 1, 2008, he was the youngest player to receive a vote from ESPN.COM's coach's poll for the smartest players. At 28, Greisen (one vote) joined teammates Ed Reed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Reed) (three votes) and Ray Lewis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Lewis_%28American_football%29) (second place with four votes) on the list, which was led by Zach Thomas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zach_Thomas) (six votes)."

I wonder how many votes Webster and Winborn would get in such a poll?

telluride
04-28-2009, 06:48 PM
Last yr, I posted a stat that showed that the Patriots and the Colts had the highest percentage of actual college graduates on their roster. Both teams obviously value pure smarts, as well as athletic ability. I think McDaniels does as well -- and I'm thrilled to see it.

Where's Plummer???
04-28-2009, 06:56 PM
put it this way he cant hurt...

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/55933439.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1939847EC77F5F8D1CE039DE20DE41B24FE A40A659CEC4C8CB6

or can he?

Paladin
04-28-2009, 07:07 PM
This team is getting interesting to say the least. I think there has already been some very good improvement. Looking forward to watching the first regular season game. (I don't think the preseason games will show much.)

Most teams turn over about 20% of their roster each year. The Broncos are likely to turn over closer to 50%.

kamakazi_kal
04-28-2009, 08:46 PM
DUDE F5ck can we please sign someone besides a LB or RB ...... HEY jackasses our DL needs some serious help. (hoping Mcd is looking for advice at BB's)

HEAV
04-28-2009, 08:51 PM
The Broncos today continued to add depth at linebacker by signing free agent Nick Greisen along with undrafted college free agents Braxton Kelley and Jeff Schweiger.

The team did not use any of its 10 draft picks on linebackers last weekend. Denver previously signed one undrafted linebacker on Monday.

Greisen is an inside linebacker who spent the past two seasons in Baltimore. He started one game for the Ravens in 2008. He also has played for Jacksonville and the New York Giants and has made 33 career starts in seven seasons.

Greisen, who played college football at Wisconsin, joins a corps of inside linebackers that includes D.J. Williams, Andra Davis, Wesley Woodyard and Spencer Larsen.

Kelley, 6-feet, 230 pounds, played middle and weakside linebacker at the University of Kentucky, and was Woodyard's college and high school teammate. Woodyard signed with the team as an undrafted free agent last season, made the team and ended up starting six games last season after D.J. Williams was injured.

Schweiger, 6-5, 276, played at Southern Cal for three seasons before transferring to San Jose State. He also played defensive end at times in college.

The Broncos have signed 17 free agents to join their 10 draft picks. The new players are expected to be in Denver by Thursday and will participate in the team's three-day minicamp this weekend.

To make room for all of the new players, the Broncos waived wide receiver Jayson Foster and tight end Adam Bergen.

Foster joined the team's practice squad last November but never was on the active roster. Bergen signed a future contract with the Broncos in January, and was last on an active roster with Arizona in 2006.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_12248018

eddie mac
04-28-2009, 08:54 PM
Nice pick-up, no risk. Could contribute, may be cut, no loss, plenty to gain.

HEAV
04-28-2009, 09:01 PM
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Jeff Schweiger #17 The big white kid.


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Tell ya one thing ...he will never be on Dancing with the Stars.

HEAV
04-28-2009, 09:08 PM
Braxton Kelly #56 University of Kentucky
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cutthemdown
04-28-2009, 09:08 PM
A lot of the UDFA will be camp fodder but a couple will stick. No reason to start watching tape on them LOL!!!!!!!

Mogulseeker
04-28-2009, 09:17 PM
http://www.nickgreisen.com/

Mogulseeker
04-28-2009, 09:23 PM
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Jeff Schweiger #17 The big white kid.


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Tell ya one thing ...he will never be on Dancing with the Stars.

In the bottom, video, who is the black dude? Seem's like he has better COD skills and is quicker in transition than that white dude.

Looks like Schweiger has some good moves off the live though.

HEAV
04-28-2009, 09:23 PM
http://www.nickgreisen.com/

No he didn't bust out the Varsity Blues soundtrack!

HEAV
04-28-2009, 09:27 PM
In the bottom, video, who is the black dude? Seem's like he has better COD skills and is quicker in transition than that white dude.

Looks like Schweiger has some good moves off the live though.

San Jose State defensive lineman Jarron Gilbert was the fourth pick of the third round Sunday in the NFL Draft. Gilbert, a tackle at San Jose State, likely will play end for the Chicago Bears.

Malcontent
04-28-2009, 09:51 PM
It's Greisen's fault.

REP!!!LOL

Malcontent
04-28-2009, 09:53 PM
Cardinals released Travis Laboy today..I watched every Cards game due to stupid Fox TV and local agreements, but he can friggin bring it!! Sign him for vet minimum now!!

Hulamau
04-29-2009, 12:24 AM
Travis has had injury issues but if hes healthy he's worth a shot.

That white kid Jeff Schewigert or whatever his name is at least has a non stop motor. A little raw but maybe makes the practice squad.

UberBroncoMan
04-29-2009, 05:02 AM
Braxton Kelly #56 University of Kentucky
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I couldn't help but notice how #16 (Wesley Woodyard) was around the ball/assisting on almost every damn play.

dbfan21
04-29-2009, 06:50 AM
I couldn't help but notice how #16 (Wesley Woodyard) was around the ball/assisting on almost every damn play.

Exactly! I noticed the same thing too. I love having Woodyard on the team!

meangene
04-29-2009, 08:54 AM
Actually, I think the Greisen addition is really interesting. Woodyard was working as an inside backer at the mini-camp. The thinking was that was just until DJ returned and then he would become a backup. With Larsen and Davis already at ILB, it makes me think that either WW or DJ will be at OLB in order to get our best three backers on the field. Then we have Doom at OLB/DE. I think our defense is going to be more like Arizona's with a NT (Fields, Powell), DT (Thomas, Peterson), DE (Ayers, Reid) and then the hybrid OLB/DE (Doom). Then we go with three true linebackers - two ILB's (Davis and either WW or DJ) and one OLB (WW or DJ).

colonelbeef
04-29-2009, 08:59 AM
Last yr, I posted a stat that showed that the Patriots and the Colts had the highest percentage of actual college graduates on their roster. Both teams obviously value pure smarts, as well as athletic ability. I think McDaniels does as well -- and I'm thrilled to see it.

Or they prefer 4 year players who fully developed in a college system, and it actually has NOTHING to do with their degree in sociology. Lol, some of you are ridiculous