Arlen Specter Becomes a Democrat

[Rohirrim]

I guess this is what the repugs can expect when they turn their party over to fascists like Rush; They're driving the moderates out of their party. In a way, it's funny. Atwater devised the strategy of co-opting the so-called "Moral Majority" social agenda in order to grab the South away from the Dems, and now it looks like the fringe religious nutjobs are all they'll have left. Good luck winning elections with that crowd. Who do they run for president next time, Palin and Pat Robertson? Ha!

Guess the Dems move close to veto proof majority.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30456741/

[Rigs11]

too funny. Repub 'leader' Steele is already going ape**** saying that they are going to "take him out". What is this the mafia?:rofl:

[peacepipe]

If Spector can do the right thing & support EFCA, he'll win reelection by a landslide.

[Smiling Assassin27]

It doesn't really matter what Specter and all of the other politicians who care only about maintaining their power base call themselves. A duck can call himself a platypus, but the bill doesn't change the fact that he still quacks and craps in a pond.

The funny thing is that Specter was on record not too long ago espousing the absolute necessity for checks and balances and that giving the Dems 60 in the Senate would be tantamount to betraying the Constitution. I don't begrudge him--hell, I think Repubs are morons too--but it's clear that this isn't a move based on principle, but on the fact that he'd get his clock cleaned in the Republican primary.

As for Steele, this guy has no principles that govern his leadership of the Party. He'll back whatever will keep him afloat--and even support opposing sides of the same issue if it will help. Most of the Republican party has sold its soul to the god of political expediency, so losing Specter seems to be addition by subtraction.

[USAFBronco]

The funny thing is that Specter was on record not too long ago espousing the absolute necessity for checks and balances and that giving the Dems 60 in the Senate would be tantamount to betraying the Constitution. I don't begrudge him--hell, I think Repubs are morons too--but it's clear that this isn't a move based on principle, but on the fact that he'd get his clock cleaned in the Republican primary.



He's def doing this to preserve his ass, he knows having an (R) next to his name is going to kill his chances at re-election....So he might as well try and hop over to the "Winning" side.

I predict he isn't the last

[broncocalijohn]

Spector can still vote anyway he wants but if you think this was no other than to save his A$$ from being bounced in 2010 (he admitted this already in his press conference), then you are delusional. He wants to die as a Senator. He should have fought it out in the primaries and if he loses, so be it as he can run as a 90 year old 6 years later. He is one of the good ole boys that needs to be a career politician. He was the problem with the Republican party, not the other way around. One of three Republicans to vote for the Stimulus plan. It will probably be too early to tell if it fails or not by 2010 so not sure if that can be a major issue but it will be brought up to Republican voters.

[Fedaykin]

The rats are jumping ship because the rot of the party is so evident now (and the Ds aren't far behind).

Hopefully the party fractures into two or more large parties (with the same happening to the Ds as quickly as possible) so we can get some sane politics happening not this one party with two cliques system.

I won't hold my breath on that though.

[BroncoBuff]

Omg!!!!!!!!

[BroncoBuff]

Guess the Dems move close to veto proof majority.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30456741/

I think they have it ... if Franken gets seated, that's 60.

[ak1971]

I became a democrat last fall..Im just waiting for my free ****

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I think they have it ... if Franken gets seated, that's 60.

:~ohyah!:

http://images.cafepress.com/product/225195792v11_150x150_Front.jpg

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

He's def doing this to preserve his ass....

Specter, 79 and seeking a sixth term in 2010, conceded bluntly that his chances of winning a Pennsylvania Republican primary next year were bleak in a party grown increasingly conservative. But he cast his decision as one of principle, rather than fueled by political ambition as spurned GOP leaders alleged.

"I have found myself increasingly at odds with the Republican philosophy and more in line with the philosophy of the Democratic Party," he said at a news conference. He added, "I am not prepared to have my 29 year record in the United States Senate decided by the Pennsylvania Republican primary electorate."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_specter_switch

:thumbs:

[24champ]

Great, maybe McLame will follow suit since his seat is in jeopardy too.

[Rigs11]

Great, maybe McLame will follow suit since his seat is in jeopardy too.

no way! he's to mavericky for the dem partyHa!

[frerottenextelway]

That's hilarious. The Republican Party is dead -- though their ideas died long ago.

[cutthemdown]

So you guys think its a good idea to let Obama just pass everything he wants with no fillibuster threat to reign them in?

Pretty scary if you ask me but whatever I'm still optimistic that enough Dems are against the carbon tax to make it maybe die. I hope so because I really think that over 600 billion in extra taxes would just be too much.

[cutthemdown]

That's hilarious. The Republican Party is dead -- though their ideas died long ago.

Don't gloat too much. Dems will have power for quite awhile but eventually like all politicians they will piss of the people and Repubs will rise again.

If the economy doesn't pick up next yr like Obama promised when passing his budget then people will get antsy.

Obama to make his projections on the deficit work needs 3% growth in 2010 or he will be so far in debt he will have some explaining to do.

[frerottenextelway]

Don't gloat too much. Dems will have power for quite awhile but eventually like all politicians they will piss of the people and Repubs will rise again.

If the economy doesn't pick up next yr like Obama promised when passing his budget then people will get antsy.

Obama to make his projections on the deficit work needs 3% growth in 2010 or he will be so far in debt he will have some explaining to do.

The wedge issue led Party of hate is all but dead. There are no more acts to this show, just a slow brutal ending for them. As they get smaller, what's left of the Right is even further to the fringe. And as the Right makes themselves more extreme and irrelvant, the next generation of voters will continue to be driven away from the hate. And all the while this continues to happen, the idea driven new media will continue to replace the Right's last strong hold, the traditional media.

[Bob]

I think they have it ... if Franken gets seated, that's 60.

And that is only good for the Republic, if one is on board for the dismanteling of capitalism ...

Not sure if most middle of the road folks think that such an unballanced government is a healthy one.

[Bob]

Another thought, how can one make the augument that the R party has moved further right over the past few years?

They have done alott of stupid things, most of which, like the border, government programs and over-spending, are progressive and not what I believe, and why they are loosing power. They lost their soul long ago.

[cutthemdown]

The wedge issue led Party of hate is all but dead. There are no more acts to this show, just a slow brutal ending for them. As they get smaller, what's left of the Right is even further to the fringe. And as the Right makes themselves more extreme and irrelvant, the next generation of voters will continue to be driven away from the hate. And all the while this continues to happen, the idea driven new media will continue to replace the Right's last strong hold, the traditional media.

I could really care less if Republican party changes or some other party comes on. I just want a party I can latch on to that is fiscally conservative, open to all religions, strong on defense, but without the religious and nation building aspects the current Republicans have failed with.

Like I said I am fine with Obama in 4 yrs if certain things don't happen. A huge drop in the dollar, big inflation, no huge military blunders, and at some point an economy that at least doesn't shrink.

He pulls those things off I will vote for him. But I worry his carbon tax scheme will ruin all of those things. Also if he keeps spending too much he could ruin all those things. IMO he has also should just let GM and Chrysler go through bankruptcy. Trust me if the employees weren't union he would have already done it.

[frerottenextelway]

Another thought, how can one make the augument that the R party has moved further right over the past few years?

They have done alott of stupid things, most of which, like the border, government programs and over-spending, are progressive and not what I believe, and why they are loosing power. They lost their soul long ago.

The Republican Party split into two, the Far Right, and the moderates like Snowe and Spector. Although it's hard to call Spector a moderate Republican today, which is sympolic of that Party now.

[frerottenextelway]

And that is only good for the Republic, if one is on board for the dismanteling of capitalism ...

Not sure if most middle of the road folks think that such an unballanced government is a healthy one.

Libruls and Blue Dog Dems The two future Parties. !Booya!

It'll be like the 80's NFL, when the real SB took place in the NFC Championship game, but this time it'll be the Democratic Primary (the past Presidency was already like that) :D

[peacepipe]

So you guys think its a good idea to let Obama just pass everything he wants with no fillibuster threat to reign them in?
Pretty scary if you ask me but whatever I'm still optimistic that enough Dems are against the carbon tax to make it maybe die. I hope so because I really think that over 600 billion in extra taxes would just be too much.It's what he was elected for, He wasn't elected so that the losers can obstruct everything. I don't even believe filibusters should even exist. It should be a straight up & down vote. This whole you need 60 votes thing is BS.

[Garcia Bronco]

I don't even believe filibusters should even exist. It should be a straight up & down vote. This whole you need 60 votes thing is BS.


It is a check and balance of this two party garbage, but I agree. I'd outlaw political parties but then you run into a freedom of expression problem.

[cutthemdown]

It's what he was elected for, He wasn't elected so that the losers can obstruct everything. I don't even believe filibusters should even exist. It should be a straight up & down vote. This whole you need 60 votes thing is BS.

Let me guess you didn't mind when Democrats used it?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Another thought, how can one make the augument that the R party has moved further right over the past few years?
They have done alott of stupid things, most of which, like the border, government programs and over-spending, are progressive and not what I believe, and why they are loosing power. They lost their soul long ago.Really, about when was that? People are tired of the rigid right wing hate agenda, it doesn't play well in an informed society.

[Garcia Bronco]

Really, about when was that? People are tired of the rigid right wing hate agenda, it doesn't play well in an informed society.

Hate agenda is everywhere. And what does the terms "informed society" mean? I don't really think you or any of us are in a position to talk about who is informed or not. Most people aren't informed. And those that think they are informed are most likely armed with skewed bias information.

[Greybeard]

I guess this is what the repugs can expect when they turn their party over to fascists like Rush; They're driving the moderates out of their party. In a way, it's funny. Atwater devised the strategy of co-opting the so-called "Moral Majority" social agenda in order to grab the South away from the Dems, and now it looks like the fringe religious nutjobs are all they'll have left. Good luck winning elections with that crowd. Who do they run for president next time, Palin and Pat Robertson? Ha!

Guess the Dems move close to veto proof majority.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30456741/

Specter? He's a known lib, anyway. He was a RINO. The only difference is now
he admits it. Reps should be glad he's gone . . . less pollution in the party. :thumbs:

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[Bronco_Beerslug]

Hate agenda is everywhere. And what does the terms "informed society" mean? I don't really think you or any of us are in a position to talk about who is informed or not. Most people aren't informed. And those that think they are informed are most likely armed with skewed bias information.
More people are informed because of the electronic society we live in now. Of, course, a lot of the southern base of the Republican party prefers to remain conveniently ignorant but many are better informed.

[Garcia Bronco]

More people are informed because of the electronic society we live in now. Of, course, a lot of the southern base of the Republican party prefers to remain conveniently ignorant but many are better informed.

Our electronic society means nothing when places like CNN, FOX, NBC, CBS, ABC, and others consistently skew information to meet an end..that's not informed.

[El Guapo]

I guess this is what the repugs can expect when they turn their party over to fascists like Rush; They're driving the moderates out of their party. In a way, it's funny. Atwater devised the strategy of co-opting the so-called "Moral Majority" social agenda in order to grab the South away from the Dems, and now it looks like the fringe religious nutjobs are all they'll have left. Good luck winning elections with that crowd. Who do they run for president next time, Palin and Pat Robertson? Ha!

Guess the Dems move close to veto proof majority.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30456741/

Have you seen specters voting history? He's practically been a dem all along. Not a shocker.

[Fedaykin]

Another thought, how can one make the augument that the R party has moved further right over the past few years?

They have done alott of stupid things, most of which, like the border, government programs and over-spending, are progressive and not what I believe, and why they are loosing power. They lost their soul long ago.

Don't forget that there is a left-right spectrum for economic matters and an entirely separate one for social matters. Rs have moved aggressively right starting in the 80s with the "moral majority" shenanigans, and somewhat to the left economically (though still firmly on the right side of the spectrum).

Also realize that in the U.S. there is no substantial left. There is only the extreme right (R) and center-right (D) with the Greens (Nader) being the only real leftist group of any significance (and they are still only a couple %).

see: http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2008

[Rohirrim]

Have you seen specters voting history? He's practically been a dem all along. Not a shocker.

No. He's been a Republican moderate. And that's what is being driven out of the GOP. Those are the Republicans who were speaking out against the choice of Palin as VP. The GOP is moving hard Right. Farther out there every day. Like Specter said. They're going to pick (and back) a hard Right-Winger to run against him in the primaries. Essentially, that's an invitation to leave. The GOP thinks it can get out on the fringe and still win. They are grossly mistaken.

Doesn't really matter to me. I doubt I ever vote for one of the two, major, Rightist parties again.

[Rohirrim]

Specter? He's a known lib, anyway. He was a RINO. The only difference is now
he admits it. Reps should be glad he's gone . . . less pollution in the party. :thumbs:

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Exactly. He no longer fits the purity of the Nazi profile the Right yearns for. ;D

[Bob]

Really, about when was that? People are tired of the rigid right wing hate agenda, it doesn't play well in an informed society.

As far as a timeframe in loosing our soul, boy that was a long time ago...

As far as hate, I see that in the Monolithic Dem party now, more than the right. However, I think both parties dont represent "the people" anymore.

[ElwayMD]

What's lost in all of his "save my political hide" action is the fact that he shouldn't be in office at all. We are in dire need of term limits for both senators and representatives. We shouldn't have "lifers" in Washington regardless of which party they are affiliated with.

[cutthemdown]

Spector a joke now. He once stood in front of Senate and said switching party's in the middle of a session should be made against the rules. Obviously things he though were wrong become right if he feels it will keep him in power.

He doesn't care about being a republican or democrat only being a Senator just like all the rest of them.

Lieberman basically did same thing and got roasted on the board for it as a traitor. Those same people love it this time.

[Bob]

Exactly. He no longer fits the purity of the Nazi profile the Right yearns for. ;D

Weird. Specter, is a luke warm, middle of the road guy, as for me, i dont hate him, but in terms of spending, I dont know, but suspect he has been bad... I used to think that Ron Paul was a nut, but not so much any more.

It wont matter if the Dems or R's are in power, if we go bankrupt, we are all on that same boat.

[Garcia Bronco]

Exactly. He no longer fits the purity of the Nazi profile the Right yearns for. ;D

Except Nazi's were left leaning socialists.

[Rohirrim]

Except Nazi's were left leaning socialists.

Then somebody should have told them to stop killing all the socialists and communists. Maybe they were just confused?

[cutthemdown]

Except Nazi's were left leaning socialists.

NAZI's IMO fall into one category and that was ultra-nationalists. I think what they didn't like about other socialists is they wanted power and influence and Hitler wanted complete obedience.

I don't really know haven't studied it, but it seems like Nazi's were more about control, nationalism, racism more then ideology.

[Bob]

Don't forget that there is a left-right spectrum for economic matters and an entirely separate one for social matters. Rs have moved aggressively right starting in the 80s with the "moral majority" shenanigans, and somewhat to the left economically (though still firmly on the right side of the spectrum).

Also realize that in the U.S. there is no substantial left. There is only the extreme right (R) and center-right (D) with the Greens (Nader) being the only real leftist group of any significance (and they are still only a couple %).

see: http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2008

Well thought out...

I do think that people too often define things in terms of left and right, when maybe we would be better off thinking in terms of more government control vs less...

The US, shortly after its founding fit that pattern -- just enough government to work, but at the turn of the last century under Teddy (R) the government began a bigger and bigger role (and social and $ cost)

[Garcia Bronco]

NAZI's IMO fall into one category and that was ultra-nationalists. I think what they didn't like about other socialists is they wanted power and influence and Hitler wanted complete obedience.

I don't really know haven't studied it, but it seems like Nazi's were more about control, nationalism, racism more then ideology.

Basically the emergence of the SS over the SA changed much of what you are talking about. They were already very nationalistic, though.

[Rohirrim]

The Nazis called themselves socialists. North Korea calls itself a republic. It's all good. ;D

[rastaman]

What's lost in all of his "save my political hide" action is the fact that he shouldn't be in office at all. We are in dire need of term limits for both senators and representatives. We shouldn't have "lifers" in Washington regardless of which party they are affiliated with.

Hey dude, Bush shouldn't have been SELECTED by the Supreme Court either!!! So go figure why don'tcha!!!:wiggle:

[frerottenextelway]

Except Nazi's were left leaning socialists.

...

Short Guide To Nazi Propaganda Talking Points

Things The Nazi Were Against:

Trade unions

Communists

"Liberals"

"The liberal press"

"Socialism"

"Socialists"

"Democrats"

"Social Democrats"

Homosexuals

Pacifists

Atheists/secularists

Religious tolerance

Mixed marriages

Redistribution of wealth/class warfare

Contraception

Sex education

Immigrants

Multiculturalism

Bilingual anything

Universal education

Art that does not glorify the state

Darwin and teaching evolution

Elementary teachers who don't teach nationalism

University professors

People who don't support the troops

...and of course Jews



Things The Nazi Were For:

Pre-emptive war

Censorship

College students ratting out professors for lack of loyalty

Torture

Abstinence

Marriage

High birth rate

State control of the media, arts, and science

Personality cults

Making nationalism part of the curriculum

Worship of an idealized version of the past

Rebellion against "weak" authority

Blaming minorities and immigrants for everything

Invoking destiny and being judged by history

Claiming to do "God's will."

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

That's hilarious. The Republican Party is dead -- though their ideas died long ago.

:yep:

Though I have to admit that the repugs (first with Red Ink Ron and then with the Kennebunkport Cowboy) have done an amazing job of convincing large numbers of willfully ignorant mouth breathers in Marlboro Country that the interests of the top 1% and the interests of Main Street are one and the same.

[Rohirrim]

...
Short Guide To Nazi Propaganda Talking Points

Things The Nazi Were Against:

Trade unions

Communists

"Liberals"

"The liberal press"

"Socialism"

"Socialists"

"Democrats"

"Social Democrats"

Homosexuals

Pacifists

Atheists/secularists

Religious tolerance

Mixed marriages

Redistribution of wealth/class warfare

Contraception

Sex education

Immigrants

Multiculturalism

Bilingual anything

Universal education

Art that does not glorify the state

Darwin and teaching evolution

Elementary teachers who don't teach nationalism

University professors

People who don't support the troops

...and of course Jews

Goebbels would have loved Fox News.

[Garcia Bronco]

:yep:

Though I have to admit that the repugs (first with Red Ink Ron and then with the Kennebunkport Cowboy) have done an amazing job of convincing large numbers of willfully ignorant mouth breathers in Marlboro Country that the interests of the top 1% and the interests of Main Street are one and the same.

No rational person would ever argue that any amount of people's interests are the same.

[Garcia Bronco]

...

“.. Do you now appreciate the depth of our National Socialist Movement? Can there be anything greater and more all comprehending? Those who see in National Socialism nothing more than a political movement know scarcely anything of it. It is more even than religion; it is the will to create mankind anew.”

Adolf Hitler

The Nazis nationalized everthing in the name of the state. They we anti-relgion. And like many socialists were anti-freedom and anti-independence.


I feel confident you won't understand that last sentence at all.

[broncocalijohn]

The wedge issue led Party of hate is all but dead. There are no more acts to this show, just a slow brutal ending for them. As they get smaller, what's left of the Right is even further to the fringe. And as the Right makes themselves more extreme and irrelvant, the next generation of voters will continue to be driven away from the hate. And all the while this continues to happen, the idea driven new media will continue to replace the Right's last strong hold, the traditional media.

Besides the Huffington Report, most popular political shows on traditional tv or internet is conservative based. Conservatives live for politics (we just dont protest every point like the jobless/lifeless). That traditional media of ABC, NBC and CBS helped get Obama elected. Just keep talking like you think you know what the hell is going on because when the crap hits the fan, people will turn to the Republicans just like people turned to the democrats this time around. It happened in 94 and it can happen in 2010. If this stimulus plan fails (and it will just on the amount of money spent), the voters know who voted for it and one (Specter) already conceided his defeat in the Republican primary.

[OrangeDoofus]

Let me guess you didn't mind when Democrats used it?
I admit sometimes I'm glad it exists when the Dems use it, but I'd still rather the filibuster was completely done away with.

I think our political system has too many choke points, and the filibuster is the worst of them. I don't think the party in power should have free reign to do anything they want, but right now I think the system is way too constrained and it makes it too hard for either party to implement meaningful change.

[frerottenextelway]

Besides the Huffington Report, most popular political shows on traditional tv or internet is conservative based. Conservatives live for politics (we just dont protest every point like the jobless/lifeless). That traditional media of ABC, NBC and CBS helped get Obama elected. Just keep talking like you think you know what the hell is going on because when the crap hits the fan, people will turn to the Republicans just like people turned to the democrats this time around. It happened in 94 and it can happen in 2010. If this stimulus plan fails (and it will just on the amount of money spent), the voters know who voted for it and one (Specter) already conceided his defeat in the Republican primary.

Huffington Post and DailyKos blow away Free Republic and Red State in everyway possible, including traffic. Other new media including social networking sites, pod casts, YouTube, etc are all liberally dominated, as was seen this past election and the gigantic field army built through it.

The days of the soundbyte driven and gossip loving traditional media that fed the Right are numbered.

[Bob]

Really, about when was that? People are tired of the rigid right wing hate agenda, it doesn't play well in an informed society.

You talk alot about the right and our hate, both sides can cite examples, but during the past eight years many on the left have been soooo enraged with Bush, that the left might be ahead on that front. I am asuming that when I dont agree with you, that are am filled with hate? Wow, kinda like Miss California -- she's so filled with hate.

[Bob]

“.. Do you now appreciate the depth of our National Socialist Movement? Can there be anything greater and more all comprehending? Those who see in National Socialism nothing more than a political movement know scarcely anything of it. It is more even than religion; it is the will to create mankind anew.”

Adolf Hitler

The Nazis nationalized everthing in the name of the state. They we anti-relgion. And like many socialists were anti-freedom and anti-independence.


I feel confident you won't understand that last sentence at all.

There were simularities, when it comes to micro-managing various aspects of the government, but it never feels like oppression, when your in the majority....and there are examples when Bush infringed on some rights as well -- I dont give a ratts but about terrorists in Gitmo, but I'm sure LA et all could cite a dozen or so better ones.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The wedge issue led Party of hate is all but dead. There are no more acts to this show, just a slow brutal ending for them. As they get smaller, what's left of the Right is even further to the fringe. And as the Right makes themselves more extreme and irrelvant, the next generation of voters will continue to be driven away from the hate. And all the while this continues to happen, the idea driven new media will continue to replace the Right's last strong hold, the traditional media.

:~ohyah!:

It's gonna be fun to watch.

[Rohirrim]

“.. Do you now appreciate the depth of our National Socialist Movement? Can there be anything greater and more all comprehending? Those who see in National Socialism nothing more than a political movement know scarcely anything of it. It is more even than religion; it is the will to create mankind anew.”

Adolf Hitler

The Nazis nationalized everthing in the name of the state. They we anti-relgion. And like many socialists were anti-freedom and anti-independence.


I feel confident you won't understand that last sentence at all.

So now, all socialists are nazis? Read a book or something, will ya?

[barryr]

Specter has been more a democrat than republican for many years, so this is hardly shocking. He was a republican when it helped him get elected and now thinks going democrat will help him stay in power. He's the kind of example of why we need term limits.

The lefties like to claim these "right wingers" are full of "hate" but when you read what they write and say, you find true hate. They claim to be for our freedoms, particularly freedome of speech, yet are the first to be ok with suppression of speech they don't like or agree with.

They claim to be for freedome of religion, but only if it's not anything to do with Christianity. Plus, the only time they criticize Islam, which is very rare in itself, is when then also saying how bad Christianity is despite no rampant teachings of hating and killing others like what goes in many mosques today.

They claim to worry about republicans helping the rich, all the while it's the democrats who get more money for the wealthy than anybody. But we're to believe it's wealthy people who give knowing that the democrats are going to try to take more money from them in taxes? Riiighht. This sham has gone on for years and the blind continue to believe it despite the facts that it's BS. Face it, the left are in love with the rich more than anybody. Pelosi, Kerry, Gore, most of Hollywood, most democrats in Congress. These people aren't wealthy? These people are ok with the government taking their money? Sure, more like "take it from the rich, well, the other rich people, not me."

They also have organizations like NOW, groups that supposedly look out for women's rights, but have nothing to say of how women are treated in most muslim nations. But a woman not allowed in a golf club? Look out.

I could go on and on, but my point is made. Many double standards, contradictions, and hypocrisy which is why it's hard for me to take them seriously when they are going on another tangent of sorts.

[BroncoLifer]

The lefties like to claim these "right wingers" are full of "hate" but when you read what they write and say, you find true hate. They claim to be for our freedoms, particularly freedome of speech, yet are the first to be ok with suppression of speech they don't like or agree with.


So very true.

[Rigs11]

You talk alot about the right and our hate, both sides can cite examples, but during the past eight years many on the left have been soooo enraged with Bush, that the left might be ahead on that front. I am asuming that when I dont agree with you, that are am filled with hate? Wow, kinda like Miss California -- she's so filled with hate.Exactly the point. During Bush's tenure he spent billions in iraq and the left was outraged. the right wasn't. Now as soon as Obama wants to spend billions her in the US, the right is outraged. Do you see now why your party is in trouble?

[cutthemdown]

Exactly the point. During Bush's tenure he spent billions in iraq and the left was outraged. the right wasn't. Now as soon as Obama wants to spend billions her in the US, the right is outraged. Do you see now why your party is in trouble?

Except the only party that voted for both of those things were the Democrats.

[OrangeDoofus]

Except the only party that voted for both of those things were the Democrats.
Yeah, that's the point. Both parties favored spending a bunch of money on a foreign war. Now that we're in trouble at home, one party is voting to spend a similar amount of money on stimulus, and one party is suddenly worrying about deficits.

When you say "Oh sure, spending a trillion dollars on the other side of the world was justified, but we can't afford to spend that much money fixing our economy" the taxpayers tend to get a little annoyed at you.

[frerottenextelway]

Except the only party that voted for both of those things were the Democrats.

More Democrats voted against the Iraq Resolution than voted for it. It's a GOP generated myth that Democrats were overwhelmingly for this War at the start. The left portion of the Party was almost unanimously against it.

[barryr]

More Democrats voted against the Iraq Resolution than voted for it. It's a GOP generated myth that Democrats were overwhelmingly for this War at the start. The left portion of the Party was almost unanimously against it.


Yep, the left's answer instead is to hold more "talks" since they accomplish oh so much and apologize and kiss europe and islamic weenie.

[OrangeDoofus]

Yep, the left's answer instead is to hold more "talks" since they accomplish oh so much and apologize and kiss europe and islamic weenie.
Yeah, because the last six years have proved that just walking in and blowing stuff up works really well.

[Odysseus]

Arlen Spector a senior Republican Senator is now a junior Democrat Senator. I would love to be a fly on the wall of some these backwater talks.