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Hulamau
04-28-2009, 12:15 AM
Some wisdom from a guy who obviously knows how to build championship football teams!

And for all you whiners out there gnashing your teeth over the bogus idea that Bowlen has turned into a cheapskate ... read it and weep, then climb off the ledge!


Debatable deal gets Beathard's blessing
By Mike Klis
The Denver Post
Posted: 04/28/2009 12:30:00 AM MDT

True to suspicions, the Broncos discussed finances before the NFL draft.

Broncos coach Josh McDaniels and general manager Brian Xanders huddled with chief operating officer Joe Ellis and owner Pat Bowlen. They talked about the draft budget. They went over their two first-round picks and how much they would cost. They talked about the two first-round picks in 2010 and how much they would cost. The result of that meeting of Broncos leaders and Bowlen's pocketbook?

"No restrictions," McDaniels said.

It wasn't finances that caused the Broncos to raise eyebrows by trading their first-round pick in 2010 to Seattle for a high second-round pick and the right to select cornerback Alphonso Smith on Saturday.

The deal was a blast from Bobby Beathard's past.

"It's really the philosophy of let's get better now," said Beathard, who built rosters in Miami, Washington and San Diego that went to seven Super Bowls and won four. In 1993, Beathard traded San Diego's No. 1 draft pick in 1994 for the right to select running back Natrone Means in the second round, right then and there. "If there's a player there you really like, it's not the gamble people think. You have to go by your evaluations, your convictions, and if the Broncos had (Smith) rated there, then, 'Don't let him go, we're going to go get another No. 1.' "

On the surface, trading the No. 1 of tomorrow for a No. 2 of today doesn't add up. And yes, the Broncos were facing the pricey commitment of paying approximately $12.5 million in guaranteed money to running back Know-shon Moreno and another $9.5 million to defensive end/linebacker Robert Ayers after selecting them in the first round.

But Bowlen did not issue an edict to McDaniels and Xanders that they must get rid of one of their first-round picks in 2010. As McDaniels said Saturday after drafting two players in the first round, "We did it this year. We would have done it next year."

That extra first-round pick, it should be noted, had been acquired 23 days earlier in the Jay Cutler trade.

The reason the Broncos dealt a first-round pick next year for a second-round pick this year was simply their desire to draft Smith. From the start of the second round, the Broncos started calling teams hoping to acquire the cornerback who some scouts compare to the late Darrent Williams because of his instincts and playmaking abilities.

Seattle, with the overall No. 37 pick in the second round, liked the idea of getting one of the Broncos' first-round draft picks next year. But no, the Seahawks would not agree to the condition the Broncos keep the better of the two picks. One pick would have been dependent on the Chicago Bears' record this season; the other pick would have been determined by the Broncos' finish.

The Seahawks insisted on taking the Broncos' pick. The Broncos didn't have time to argue, not with the clock running. To finish the deal for Smith, the Broncos agreed to surrender their own pick and kept the one connected to where the Bears finish.

"I don't think it was about finances," draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr. said. "Forget the second round. If he's the 20th-best player on your board, which Alphonso Smith could have been, then who cares? That's their argument and it's a just argument. I'm not an advocate of that. I think it's a risky proposition."

Here's the risk: If the Broncos finish, say, 5-11 this season, Seattle could have the No. 6 overall pick or so in the 2010 draft. No matter how it's explained, Broncoland will never understand how a No. 37 pick equals what turned out to be a No. 6.

But if the Broncos finish 10-6, then Seattle's extra pick would come in around No. 22 overall in 2010, or around where the Broncos may have rated Smith on their 2009 board. And if Smith has a big season and the Broncos win the AFC West, a No. 2 or a No. 1 will have been worth it.

"Maybe you don't hit it right sometimes, but I believe in that," Beathard said.

Popps
04-28-2009, 12:24 AM
Yea, just read this. It's very logical. I understand the frustration of the draft-geeks around here, but I'm fine giving away some draft slots next year if it helps us bring in a guy the staff loves, and can start developing NOW. A year of pro development is WORTH some draft slots.

I also love that this kid ads an element we've had Z E R O of in the past few years, and that's a ball-hawk. We haven't crated turnovers for ****, really in a long time.

OBF1
04-28-2009, 12:30 AM
I have been onboard with this pick since it happened

Popps
04-28-2009, 12:32 AM
I would have been much more skeptical of this pick if we had had a bad first round. But, a game-breaker like Moreno and likely the best DE/LB in the draft... that appeased me into believing taking a shot at a turnover machine like this kid was worth it.

Elway777
04-28-2009, 12:35 AM
Why not trade up from the 48 spot to the 37 spot with a 3 rounder and 6 rounder. Why risk the change to get a player like McCoy in next years draft.

footstepsfrom#27
04-28-2009, 12:38 AM
Yea, just read this. It's very logical. I understand the frustration of the draft-geeks around here, but I'm fine giving away some draft slots next year if it helps us bring in a guy the staff loves, and can start developing NOW. A year of pro development is WORTH some draft slots.

I also love that this kid ads an element we've had Z E R O of in the past few years, and that's a ball-hawk. We haven't crated turnovers for ****, really in a long time.
Yeah you can http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/getty/headshot/B/A/I/BAI582194.jpg say that again.

Elway777
04-28-2009, 12:38 AM
I also like to do Mock drafts. This will kill all my Mock drafts for next year.

footstepsfrom#27
04-28-2009, 12:39 AM
Why not trade up from the 48 spot to the 37 spot with a 3 rounder and 6 rounder. Why risk the change to get a player like McCoy in next years draft.
You're not a real fan.

Popps
04-28-2009, 12:39 AM
Yeah you can http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/getty/headshot/B/A/I/BAI582194.jpg say that again.

Teams have been able to go away from Champ, that's when he's healthy enough to play. He's one of my favorites, but it's time to start giving him some help out there.

cutthemdown
04-28-2009, 12:41 AM
For sure money plays into it. Bowlen may not have said I don't want to pay 4 first round picks over two yrs, but Mcdaniels knows that he will also then maybe say we can't sign said FA next offseason because of all these first round picks we are paying.

Elway you think Broncos wouldn't have done that if they could? Use a 3rd and 6th to move up in the 2nd? High 2nd round picks are gold in the NFL teams do not part with them easily.

Popps
04-28-2009, 12:44 AM
Again, Shanahan took a lot of criticism for the Royal pick, but he stated afterwards that he thought he was the best WR in the draft. So, in the 2nd round... you're not only getting the player you think is a 1st round talent, but you're paying him considerably less.

If it works, it's a great move. If not, you're open to criticism.

But, keep in mind.. if it doesn't work, you still have to go make that first round pick a good one next year, or you're open to just as much criticism, and you'll be paying more for your mistake.

It's really not a tough concept to get your head around, which is why a guy like Beathard calls it smart move.

Elway777
04-28-2009, 12:47 AM
You're not a real fan. Just don't @itch if Seattle ends up with a top 5 pick.

footstepsfrom#27
04-28-2009, 12:50 AM
Just don't @itch if Seattle ends up with a top 5 pick.
I guess I should have included the ;D

I'll bitch like crazy.

Atwater His Ass
04-28-2009, 02:53 AM
Bobby Beathard. The ****ing draft authority.

cutthemdown
04-28-2009, 03:06 AM
Just don't @itch if Seattle ends up with a top 5 pick.

The point is maybe you don't want too many picks in top 5 because they cost so much and often guys picked around the middle of round one just as good.

4 first round picks over 2 yrs you are talking big money. The type of upfront bonus money that keeps you out of the FA market.

I totally understand the move. The like the player, think he is a starting NFL corner, get him cheaper, don't have to worry about 4 first round picks over 2 yrs, only 3.

Still a lot of talent can be had next yr without 2 first round picks.

Plus by next yr Alphonso Smith will be starting at CB for Broncos.

Drek
04-28-2009, 03:26 AM
Why not trade up from the 48 spot to the 37 spot with a 3 rounder and 6 rounder. Why risk the change to get a player like McCoy in next years draft.

Who says Seattle would've taken it? Its likely they had a player on their board they wanted as well, so at that point you're not only trying to get the value of the pick, but also trying to buy out their interest in making it.

It gets tougher if another team or teams are calling looking to move up too.

I understand the FO's mindset because there is no guarantee that next year will have a player at CB they like as much as Alphonso Smith, or if there is that they'll have a shot at him. Nickel CB is an immediate hole on this team and the #1 and #2 CBs will need someone new to step in and take over sooner than later at this point. If the FO really thought he was the best corner on the board then their move is justified. It might be a gamble that doesn't pay off, but it was a rational act, not the panicked move that some try to paint it as around here.

Broncoman13
04-28-2009, 04:33 AM
Yea, just read this. It's very logical. I understand the frustration of the draft-geeks around here, but I'm fine giving away some draft slots next year if it helps us bring in a guy the staff loves, and can start developing NOW. A year of pro development is WORTH some draft slots.

I also love that this kid ads an element we've had Z E R O of in the past few years, and that's a ball-hawk. We haven't crated turnovers for ****, really in a long time.

I like the idea of getting that pick in here now and having an extra year to develop him and all that. But with 5 1st or 2nd round picks how are we going to look financially a 5 years down the road when they're all coming up on free agency? The second issue, while I agree that being able to develop a player now is worth some slots... if we turn out to be a 5-11 team, McXanders are in trouble. The local media will eat them up, the national media will eat them up. If by some chance they survive that you'll likely see 5 of these guys go in the top 10 next year: Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy, Taylor Mays, Cody, and Suh. Mays is the only one that is not in a position of need, thanks to this year's draft class. Too much risk. The Seahawks played them like newbies.

cousinal11
04-28-2009, 05:07 AM
I've stated this in multiple threads. I have no problem with the trade and selection.

Alphonso Smith is a player.

Rohirrim
04-28-2009, 05:43 AM
If Mount Cody is sitting there when the Hawks make their pick next year, then Smith better be another Champ Bailey.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
04-28-2009, 06:27 AM
Bobby Beathard. The ****ing draft authority.

How many NFL teams have you run the draft for?

barryr
04-28-2009, 06:32 AM
I was ok with the move then and now. People are playing the "what if" game if this or that player is there with that pick traded. We're to assume all 1st rounders are given and guarantees.

I see QB's namess being thrown around, but again, when reality hits home, you don't sacrifice a player you really want and think is a sure thing for a nameless player you don't know and don't even know if that player will be good or not.

How many QB's have been 1st round busts again the last 5 years? 10 years? It's a big list.

Willynowei
04-28-2009, 06:33 AM
lmao turnover machine.

You know who else was a turnover machine? Deltha Oneal.

The only turnover machine in the NFL is the combination of a strong passrush and a well designed cover scheme.

DBroncos4life
04-28-2009, 07:19 AM
The point is maybe you don't want too many picks in top 5 because they cost so much and often guys picked around the middle of round one just as good.

4 first round picks over 2 yrs you are talking big money. The type of upfront bonus money that keeps you out of the FA market.
I totally understand the move. The like the player, think he is a starting NFL corner, get him cheaper, don't have to worry about 4 first round picks over 2 yrs, only 3.

Still a lot of talent can be had next yr without 2 first round picks.

Plus by next yr Alphonso Smith will be starting at CB for Broncos.

I was lead to believe teams are built around good drafting not FA.

barryr
04-28-2009, 07:25 AM
lmao turnover machine.

You know who else was a turnover machine? Deltha Oneal.

The only turnover machine in the NFL is the combination of a strong passrush and a well designed cover scheme.

O'Neal was one of 3 players in college history to have 20+ picks in a career? No. O'Neal had a great rookie year, but nothing after that. Even the defenders Shanahan drafted the last few years that showed anything that first year tended to fade. DJ Williams at this point is another one.

Whether Smith can do this in the NFL remains to be seen, but since he's done it before at some level, more chance he can do the same in the NFL than some guy who hasn't.

rugbythug
04-28-2009, 07:29 AM
Whatever Happened to our top five pick we got from trading with the Redskins?

DBroncos4life
04-28-2009, 07:37 AM
O'Neal was one of 3 players in college history to have 20+ picks in a career? No. O'Neal had a great rookie year, but nothing after that. Even the defenders Shanahan drafted the last few years that showed anything that first year tended to fade. DJ Williams at this point is another one.

Whether Smith can do this in the NFL remains to be seen, but since he's done it before at some level, more chance he can do the same in the NFL than some guy who hasn't.

I guess in 2005 when he tied the NFL in INTs was nothing after his rookie year.

worm
04-28-2009, 07:46 AM
Alphonso can also be our emergency QB ala Rod.

I can see McDaniels carrying only two QBs on the active roster.

~Crash~
04-28-2009, 08:14 AM
How many NFL teams have you run the draft for?

dood just go ...... we all know what you are going to post any way....meat head

DrFate
04-28-2009, 08:17 AM
O'Neal was one of 3 players in college history to have 20+ picks in a career?

So did this guy - he had a stellar career.

http://asianheroes.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/212036dean-cain-posters.jpg

No. O'Neal had a great rookie year, but nothing after that.

You DO realize that O'Neal lead the league in INTs in 2005, and his rookie year was 2000, right? RIGHT?

BroncoLifer
04-28-2009, 08:19 AM
How many NFL teams have you run the draft for?

Come on Atwater, everyone's still waiting for the answer. Two? Three? We all know that YOU are the ****ing draft authority.

~Crash~
04-28-2009, 08:19 AM
So did this guy - he had a stellar career.

http://asianheroes.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/212036dean-cain-posters.jpg



You DO realize that O'Neal lead the league in INTs in 2005, and his rookie year was 2000, right? RIGHT?

and the back to being totaly a waste of skin again.

bronco militia
04-28-2009, 08:27 AM
bobby beatherd?!?!?!?

I sure wish he was still running the Chargers.....

LMFAO!

BroncoLifer
04-28-2009, 08:38 AM
bobby beatherd?!?!?!?

I sure wish he was still running the Chargers.....

LMFAO!

He got them to more Super Bowls than the great AJ Smith has.

Plus 3 with the Redskins.

bronco militia
04-28-2009, 08:42 AM
He got them to more Super Bowls than the great AJ Smith has.

Plus 3 with the Redskins.

yeah, I'm sure Bolt fans wish they could go back to the good old days of Bobby Beathard.

Ha!

bronco militia
04-28-2009, 08:48 AM
But in this game of autumn, a falling Leaf could be the Hall of Fame bust buster. For a generation, Beathard's philosophy was to leverage tomorrow, trading future No. 1 picks in search of immediate aces. For years, it worked. Lately, he has been burned. Bitten. Belittled.

Tampa Bay was a beneficiary of Boss Charger's quick-draw mentality. Most notably in last month's draft. Two years ago, Beathard traded his top 2000 pick, getting the Bucs' 1998 second-rounder, which he spent on Stephen F. Austin wide receiver Mikhael Ricks.

Packaging that No. 1 from San Diego with their own first-round choice, the Bucs traded with the New York Jets for Keyshawn Johnson. Tampa Bay fans can address thank you notes to Surfer Bob in care of the Chargers at P.O. Box 609609, San Diego 92160. Don't be too harsh.

Beathard also traded his 1997 No. 1 to the Bucs for their 1996 second-rounder, used on Virginia Tech receiver Bryan Still, a mediocre pro. Tampa Bay invested that San Diego pick on Reidel Anthony, a Florida receiver whose results have been erratic.

In six of the past seven drafts the Chargers had no No. 1 selections due to Beathard's itchy trigger finger. Their solitary first-rounder, that perplexing QB from Washington State, became the most damning move of Bobby's career.

Actually, two concurrent misfires compounded into devastation for the old Dolphins-Redskins wonder boy. Bobby Ross had been a sweet catch as 1992-96 Chargers coach, but then came Kevin Gilbride, a hotshot Jacksonville Jaguars coordinator who became corpse-cold when put in charge.

After one San Diego season under Gilbride, blue-collar quarterback Stan Humphries retired. He pitched the Chargers to their 1994 glory, reaching that Super Bowl before losing 49-26 to the 49ers.

Beathard bagged up everything but the San Diego Zoo and his 11 grandchildren to get the second pick in the 1998 draft. He was QB ravenous. Peyton Manning and Leaf seemingly were the no-brainer choices.

Surfer Bob owned the third choice. He knew both quarterbacks would be gone. Beathard made a deal with the Arizona Cardinals, relinquishing his No. 1 and also his second-rounder, plus San Diego's No. 1 the following year, as well as wide receiver Eric Metcalf and linebacker Patrick Sapp.

Indianapolis picked ahead of all, choosing Manning, who has become a landslide success. Leaf was left for the Chargers. Figured as a sure thing, Leaf has played poorly and behaved worse. A flop. A jerk.

Natedogg
04-28-2009, 08:56 AM
Man it will really suck if we start winning games and go to the playoffs. We won't have any high draft picks.

I can't believe McHitler actually wants to win now. What kind of idiot coach values winning in January over picking early in April?

BroncoLifer
04-28-2009, 08:57 AM
But in this game of autumn, a falling Leaf could be the Hall of Fame bust buster. For a generation, Beathard's philosophy was to leverage tomorrow, trading future No. 1 picks in search of immediate aces. For years, it worked. Lately, he has been burned. Bitten. Belittled.

Tampa Bay was a beneficiary of Boss Charger's quick-draw mentality. Most notably in last month's draft. Two years ago, Beathard traded his top 2000 pick, getting the Bucs' 1998 second-rounder, which he spent on Stephen F. Austin wide receiver Mikhael Ricks.

Packaging that No. 1 from San Diego with their own first-round choice, the Bucs traded with the New York Jets for Keyshawn Johnson. Tampa Bay fans can address thank you notes to Surfer Bob in care of the Chargers at P.O. Box 609609, San Diego 92160. Don't be too harsh.

Beathard also traded his 1997 No. 1 to the Bucs for their 1996 second-rounder, used on Virginia Tech receiver Bryan Still, a mediocre pro. Tampa Bay invested that San Diego pick on Reidel Anthony, a Florida receiver whose results have been erratic.

In six of the past seven drafts the Chargers had no No. 1 selections due to Beathard's itchy trigger finger. Their solitary first-rounder, that perplexing QB from Washington State, became the most damning move of Bobby's career.

Actually, two concurrent misfires compounded into devastation for the old Dolphins-Redskins wonder boy. Bobby Ross had been a sweet catch as 1992-96 Chargers coach, but then came Kevin Gilbride, a hotshot Jacksonville Jaguars coordinator who became corpse-cold when put in charge.

After one San Diego season under Gilbride, blue-collar quarterback Stan Humphries retired. He pitched the Chargers to their 1994 glory, reaching that Super Bowl before losing 49-26 to the 49ers.

Beathard bagged up everything but the San Diego Zoo and his 11 grandchildren to get the second pick in the 1998 draft. He was QB ravenous. Peyton Manning and Leaf seemingly were the no-brainer choices.

Surfer Bob owned the third choice. He knew both quarterbacks would be gone. Beathard made a deal with the Arizona Cardinals, relinquishing his No. 1 and also his second-rounder, plus San Diego's No. 1 the following year, as well as wide receiver Eric Metcalf and linebacker Patrick Sapp.

Indianapolis picked ahead of all, choosing Manning, who has become a landslide success. Leaf was left for the Chargers. Figured as a sure thing, Leaf has played poorly and behaved worse. A flop. A jerk.

I understand all of that, and it has validity. But he also drafted Art Monk, Darrell Green, the Hogs, etc.

All I'm saying is that when evaluating whether or not Beathard is a credible source, look at his entire resume as an NFL GM and not just the cherry-picked worst examples. That resume has SD's only Super Bowl appearance and multiple Lombardis with Washington.

bronco militia
04-28-2009, 08:59 AM
I understand all of that, and it has validity. But he also drafted Art Monk, Darrell Green, the Hogs, etc.

All I'm saying is that when evaluating whether or not Beathard is a credible source, look at his entire resume as an NFL GM and not just the cherry-picked worst examples. That resume has SD's only Super Bowl appearance and multiple Lombardis with Washington.

he was a credible source in the 1980's...not in the 90's and not this decade. It's been proven over the last two decades his style of Drafting doesn't work anymore.

Beantown Bronco
04-28-2009, 09:01 AM
Broncos coach Josh McDaniels and general manager Brian Xanders huddled with chief operating officer Joe Ellis and owner Pat Bowlen. They talked about the draft budget. They went over their two first-round picks and how much they would cost. They talked about the two first-round picks in 2010 and how much they would cost. The result of that meeting of Broncos leaders and Bowlen's pocketbook?

"No restrictions," McDaniels said.

I'm calling bs on this one.

How can they realistically come to a conclusion based off numbers that they have no idea about. In McDaniels' own words from his press conf:

"I have no idea where Chicago's pick is going to be, and I don't have the foresight to know where our pick is going to be."

Not to mention nobody knows what's going to happen next year with regard to salaries and bonuses in an uncapped year. Even if a team knew exactly where they would be picking a year from now, they can't definitely say how much those picks are going to cost.

rugbythug
04-28-2009, 09:29 AM
he was a credible source in the 1980's...not in the 90's and not this decade. It's been proven over the last two decades his style of Drafting doesn't work anymore.

That's Bull. This style works if the players you draft are good. AJ Smith has traded away his 2nd two years in a row. If the players are good he is a genius if they suck so does he.

lander
04-28-2009, 09:30 AM
Beathard's "sleeper"picks, aka busts, were legendary. I danced a jig when he retired.

boltaneer
04-28-2009, 09:32 AM
I understand all of that, and it has validity. But he also drafted Art Monk, Darrell Green, the Hogs, etc.

All I'm saying is that when evaluating whether or not Beathard is a credible source, look at his entire resume as an NFL GM and not just the cherry-picked worst examples. That resume has SD's only Super Bowl appearance and multiple Lombardis with Washington.

The 94 Chargers didn't make it to the Super Bowl because of talent. That was the ultimate cinderella team that won because of great coaching (Bobby Ross) and a ton of heart (Stan Humphries).

The good draft picks of Bethard's were not the ones he got by trading next years picks. Those were the ones that really set back the franchise for years and years.

GeniusatWork
04-28-2009, 09:39 AM
I've stated this in multiple threads. I have no problem with the trade and selection.

Alphonso Smith is a player.

It will be good to have drafted some players with potential NFL interception skills in Smith and McBath. Lack of interceptions has been a very big problem for a long time. Champ has had some good years but the D as a whole have been very bad. The linebackers have been bad. Good D's get 5-8 interceptions every year from the LB's. I bet Denver hasn't had 8 INT's total from the LB's in the past 5 years.

Smith and McBath are a good start to correcting that problem. There is still a ways to go. But Smith and McBath I hope are a good start.

We still need some passrush too. :thumbs:

TheDave
04-28-2009, 10:50 AM
I'll give McKidd this... He put his nuts right on the chopping block. Go 10-6 while showing that Smith is a player in this league and no one ever mentions it again. Go 5-11 and this trade may be the very thing that cuts his throat.

Rohirrim
04-28-2009, 10:57 AM
I'll give McKidd this... He put his nuts right on the chopping block. Go 10-6 while showing that Smith is a player in this league and no one ever mentions it again. Go 5-11 and this trade may be the very thing that cuts his throat.

And it could only get worse if the Hawks are picking five or better next year and walk away with a franchise player. Mac has gone all in. His cards better be good or he's toast.

BroncoBuff
04-28-2009, 11:06 AM
I have been onboard with this pick since it happened

I'm fine with Smith, I'm even fine with trading one of the 1st-rounders for him.

I just think an experienced front office guy would've inserted - and the Seahawks would've accepted - a stipulation they receive the lower of the two picks. I think the Seahawks rightly believe the Bears will have a better record, and they managed to get over on the noob, I really do.

goldengopher1976
04-28-2009, 12:01 PM
Yea, just read this. It's very logical. I understand the frustration of the draft-geeks around here, but I'm fine giving away some draft slots next year if it helps us bring in a guy the staff loves, and can start developing NOW. A year of pro development is WORTH some draft slots.

I also love that this kid ads an element we've had Z E R O of in the past few years, and that's a ball-hawk. We haven't crated turnovers for ****, really in a long time.

That is the part of the equation many seem to be forgetting...

Houshyamama
04-28-2009, 01:04 PM
This is my favorite part of draft season, when all the knee-jerk negative reactions have past and the fan base actually logically evaluates their team's draft.

I'm DOWN with this philosophy and our 2009 haul.

We should have a GREAT running game.

Karenin
04-28-2009, 01:07 PM
I just think an experienced front office guy would've inserted - and the Seahawks would've accepted - a stipulation they receive the lower of the two picks.

what part of
Seattle, with the overall No. 37 pick in the second round, liked the idea of getting one of the Broncos' first-round draft picks next year. But no, the Seahawks would not agree to the condition the Broncos keep the better of the two picks.
do you not understand? If you're going to be a loudmouth know-it-all, at least get your facts straight, you won't look like such an idiot.

Rohirrim
04-28-2009, 01:09 PM
Yea, just read this. It's very logical. I understand the frustration of the draft-geeks around here, but I'm fine giving away some draft slots next year if it helps us bring in a guy the staff loves, and can start developing NOW. A year of pro development is WORTH some draft slots.

I also love that this kid ads an element we've had Z E R O of in the past few years, and that's a ball-hawk. We haven't crated turnovers for ****, really in a long time.

And if you look at our tackling stats for last year you'll see why; Our "ballhawks" were chasing down runners that were blowing through our porous line. Unfortunately, Smith doesn't appear to be half the tackler Bly was.

Bronx33
04-28-2009, 01:20 PM
And if you look at our tackling stats for last year you'll see why; Our "ballhawks" were chasing down runners that were blowing through our porous line. Unfortunately, Smith doesn't appear to be half the tackler Bly was.

I really wasn't impressed with blys tackling skills i don't think hes a good example.

Houshyamama
04-28-2009, 01:25 PM
And if you look at our tackling stats for last year you'll see why; Our "ballhawks" were chasing down runners that were blowing through our porous line. Unfortunately, Smith doesn't appear to be half the tackler Bly was.

Half of nothing doesn't make sense.

JJJ
04-28-2009, 01:28 PM
If you enjoy beating your head against a wall then listen to Bobby Beathard. Can't tell you how many drafts that m'fer traded away next year's number one. Then throw in every player has to be from a school with less than 4 thousand students. Brutal to be a fan of a team of his where you never, ever had a 1st round pick.

At least you guys have another #1 in pocket.

I thought there were shades of Beathards ghost in the Bolt house this weekend with AJ going for a Jamaican Canadian among others. I was nervous he was going package up the three 4th rounders for next years number 1 like Beathard would have done.

Bronx33
04-28-2009, 01:31 PM
Half of nothing doesn't make sense.

:spit:

GeniusatWork
04-28-2009, 01:52 PM
And it could only get worse if the Hawks are picking five or better next year and walk away with a franchise player. Mac has gone all in. His cards better be good or he's toast.

McD has his eggs in a lot of baskets, has his cards in a lot of hands, has his cars in a lot of races. He's nowhere near a toaster.

chaz
04-28-2009, 01:58 PM
Teams have been able to go away from Champ, that's when he's healthy enough to play. He's one of my favorites, but it's time to start giving him some help out there.

I agree Champ needs help, but another CB won't give it to him. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE PASS RUSH.

GeniusatWork
04-28-2009, 02:00 PM
And if you look at our tackling stats for last year you'll see why; Our "ballhawks" were chasing down runners that were blowing through our porous line. Unfortunately, Smith doesn't appear to be half the tackler Bly was.

That's an over reaction. He's the same. But maybe he'll step it up where Bly didn't.

broncolife
04-28-2009, 03:06 PM
Bobby Beathard?:rofl: I remember all the chargers fans dancing in the streets when they heard he was leaving. Shiat, I loved using him as smack talk.

GeniusatWork
04-28-2009, 03:52 PM
One thing about Beathard I remember is he drafted Burt Grossman, who was a comedian and a half. He did notch 20 sacks in first two years in the NFL, but mostly he was a comedian. I use one of his lines to this day when I see a fat guy - "looks like he has a pork roast tied to the back of his neck".

BBBaaaahahahhaaahahahaha!

Is this thing on?

Oh boy, that's a tear-wiper, eh? I have a ton of 'em. Just let me know when you want the next. I have some good ones.

Rohirrim
04-28-2009, 03:53 PM
Half of nothing doesn't make sense.

Now you're getting the point. ;D