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TheDave
04-27-2009, 02:06 PM
OK...

First let me start by saying that I am one of those "Cutler nut swingers". So trading him was in my mind the stupidist ****ing things that anyone could of done. Your not going to change my mind on that so don't bother trying.

But the end result is that it is what it is and we all need to move on at some point.

The fact is our offense right now could be REALLY special. Currentely we have one of if not the best Offensive lines in the game.

Royal and Marshall are perfect compliments to each other and we have significant talent behind them.

Our tight ends now include 2 stud blockers in Graham and Quinn along with an excellent recieving option in sheffler.

Or running backs are deep talented and diverse... Wether we want to play the paower running game, our typical ZBS, single back spread offense. No matter what it is we have the players to run it, and JMO, but I think Moreno will be freakishly special in this offense.

Our QB's are experienced game manager types. I've watched 6 of Ortons games now from last season and he is good enough to get the job done with this talent around him. Though it was sometimes ugly, he managed to play well enough with a crappy offensive line in Chicago to keep them in games. With our talent he should be that much better... and as a side note, he has plenty of Arm strength. It's not on the same planet as Cutler but it is good enough to get the job done.

Finally, we come to coaching. Like him or not McDaniels has been a good offensive coordinator and has shown the ability to put the offensive puzzle pieces together on Sundays. With the exception of Brady we might have more weapons and a better Oline than NE did in 2007.

The end result is that we should be able to score a lot of points this year. Unfortunately I think our defense will still find ways to give up just as many. I have a feeling that 2009 is going to be a year long feeling out process for our defensive coaching staff. But if the offense can keep the preasure on opposing teams and chew up some clock this season may be better than some of us thought. 8-8 won the division last year... 9 wins probably gets it done this year.

DenverBrit
04-27-2009, 02:14 PM
What I like about McDaniels is he recognizes that scoring points is more important than marching up and down between the twenties.
Seems obvious.
But when people want to talk up the offensive production, they point to it being the 2nd best (yards) but the reality is, the offense was very average at 16th (scoring).

I believe the Broncos will be better in all phases this year.

TheDave
04-27-2009, 02:16 PM
What I like about McDaniels is he recognizes that scoring points is more important than marching up and down between the twenties.
Seems obvious.
But when people want to talk up the offensive production, they point to it being the 2nd best (yards) but the reality is, the offense was very average at 16th (scoring).

I believe the Broncos will be better in all phases this year.

The other thing I like is that our offense should be VERY versatile... We should be able to line up and play in any type game.

Gcver2ver3
04-27-2009, 02:18 PM
our offense will score more than last year's offense...

i believe last year's offense was in the middle of the pack in points scored, and that was after starting the first few weeks out as the #1 points scoring team...

our defense has nowhere to go but up...it may not be great next year but it'll be better...

our offense has a real chance to be potent...Orton has everything a QB could EVER ask for...great QB coach/offensive scheme, great o-line, talented backfield, great WR corp...

rugbythug
04-27-2009, 02:20 PM
The other thing I like is that our offense should be VERY versatile... We should be able to line up and play in any type game.

THis versatility will be nice when we get a game in the elements. In days of old if the rain was too heavy we could not win.

OBF1
04-27-2009, 02:27 PM
I am counting on Orton going Brees this season. Once Brees left San Diego he went for a good QB to a wildman.

Dave, sure I can not change your mind?

TheDave
04-27-2009, 02:34 PM
I am counting on Orton going Brees this season. Once Brees left San Diego he went for a good QB to a wildman.

Dave, sure I can not change your mind?

Yes... I'm slowly taking steps back from the "we traded a franchise QB ledge" ;D

In all seriousness though, I am VERY excited about the potential of this offense.

PRBronco
04-27-2009, 02:34 PM
The thing I'm having a problem with is: what's so bad about Kyle Orton? Everyone's enjoying a good laugh at the Broncos' expense, replacing Jay with Orton, but I've yet to hear why he's so terrible? I know he doesn't have Jay's gun, that's obvious, but I've yet to hear about him giving a game away, or holding his team back.

Also as far as terrible candid off field photos go, I'd say it's a push.

SoDak Bronco
04-27-2009, 02:40 PM
next year we are going to struggle with all the new schemes on Offense and Defense. We are 6-10 team next year.

DenverBrit
04-27-2009, 02:40 PM
The thing I'm having a problem with is: what's so bad about Kyle Orton? Everyone's enjoying a good laugh at the Broncos' expense, replacing Jay with Orton, but I've yet to hear why he's so terrible? I know he doesn't have Jay's gun, that's obvious, but I've yet to hear about him giving a game away, or holding his team back.

Also as far as terrible candid off field photos go, I'd say it's a push.

Orton will do well behind the Broncos OL and will have a better scheme and playmakers to work than he had in Chicago.
It will be interesting to see how much Jay has to 'tone' down his game to fit Chicago's conservative scheme.

I wish them both well and look forward to seeing how they compare.

One thing's certain, Orton will enjoy the CO winters more than Chicago's ;D

nickademus
04-27-2009, 02:42 PM
While I didnt like the cutler trade (hes my fantasy qb in a keeper league) Orton will do fine with the ammnt. of talent we have. the one thing lacking in this O was the ability to punch suckers in the mouth in the red zone and on short yardage situations. Problem solved. I really didnt like the trade of next years 1st but I can see what the FO is doing here and I would be shocked if we were not in the top 10 in terms of turnovers this season. I liked our UDFA class and I wouldnt be surprised to see the Dline feature Baker or Pedescleaux at some point. had these guys as 5th rd talent in alot of mocks that I saw.

lex
04-27-2009, 02:44 PM
What I like about McDaniels is he recognizes that scoring points is more important than marching up and down between the twenties.
Seems obvious.
But when people want to talk up the offensive production, they point to it being the 2nd best (yards) but the reality is, the offense was very average at 16th (scoring).

I believe the Broncos will be better in all phases this year.

Blech. When we had Pittman as the goal line specialist and even Hillis in there, scoring TDs from in close wasnt really much of a problem. The not scoring inside the 20s indicates the effect of injuries at RBs.

Garcia Bronco
04-27-2009, 02:55 PM
When your QB and #1 WR turn the ball over repeatedly inside the redzone, your producton will never look good.

cousinal11
04-27-2009, 02:58 PM
:approve: Blech. When we had Pittman as the goal line specialist and even Hillis in there, scoring TDs from in close wasnt really much of a problem. The not scoring inside the 20s indicates the effect of injuries at RBs.

socalorado
04-27-2009, 02:59 PM
Yes... I'm slowly taking steps back from the "we traded a franchise QB ledge" ;D

In all seriousness though, I am VERY excited about the potential of this offense.

Its hard not to be excited with all the offensive firepower.
Orton is 22-12. In chitcago!! With NO offense!
So i think with MCD and a new lease on life, this should at the very least be fun!

no-pseudo-fan
04-27-2009, 03:02 PM
I see an offense that can dictate what a defense defends. It has the pieces to test any weakness in a defense.

Gcver2ver3
04-27-2009, 03:14 PM
The thing I'm having a problem with is: what's so bad about Kyle Orton? Everyone's enjoying a good laugh at the Broncos' expense, replacing Jay with Orton, but I've yet to hear why he's so terrible? I know he doesn't have Jay's gun, that's obvious, but I've yet to hear about him giving a game away, or holding his team back.



people will be eating crow left and right when they watch this guy play this season...

BroncosinDC
04-27-2009, 03:18 PM
I hate McDaniels, I think he is egotistical prick. I don't think I would enjoy having a beer with him, nor would I want to play a round of golf with him. That being said in my football playing days we won more games with a prick as a coach then with a nice guy. I also enjoyed those days much more because we would come home with wins.

In most cases we were not the most talented or biggest team on the field...we did however have disipline and a team first attitude. Those do seem to be the traits of truely championship caliber football teams. We also have a great looking offense, granted Cutler added more dimensions and abilities but also added some bonehead moves. So it may be a wash I'll take a few consertive passes over miracle balls. Orton seems like he is a tough level headed down to earth guy so I think we will be ok, and hopefully can pound it into the enzone and not sputter out.

Defense scares me an awful lot. But if we can now run the ball and control a clock instead of either scoring extreamly quick or going 3 and out we might be better.

As one of my prick OL coaches once said, "I don't give a **** if they score 200 points, you're ****ing up if we don't score 201."

barryr
04-27-2009, 03:18 PM
Orton is terrible because he doesn't throw hard. That's the astute player analysis we have going.

Never Trust a Snake
04-27-2009, 03:25 PM
What I like about McDaniels is he recognizes that scoring points is more important than marching up and down between the twenties.
Seems obvious.
But when people want to talk up the offensive production, they point to it being the 2nd best (yards) but the reality is, the offense was very average at 16th (scoring).

I believe the Broncos will be better in all phases this year.

I attribute the lack of scoring last year to:

1. Green offensive unit - second youngest in the NFL
2. Poor starting field position
3. Bad luck

The offensive unit last season was strong across the board:

Yards/play: 2nd - NFL (6.2)
1st downs/game: T 2nd -NFL (22.1)
1st down percentage on passes: 9th - NFL (36.0)
Yards/passing play: T 9th - NFL (9.3)
Yards/rushing play: T 2nd -NFL (4.8)
1st down percentage on rushes: 2nd - NFL (26.6)

With a little more experience, they were bound to be an elite unit.

Enter Orton and you have a below-average QB (marginal starter) replacing a top 5-7 QB. Denver's offense won't be better. If they score more points, it will be because of a) better field position b) more support from the DEF/ST c) better luck.

BroncosinDC
04-27-2009, 03:26 PM
Orton is terrible because he doesn't throw hard. That's the astute player analysis we have going.

Elway and Cutler threw hard, Griese and Plummer not so much. So for your casual football fan/someone who only pays attention to the Broncos since 1983 the Halmark of greatness is mobility and arm strength. Though with Elway you have to add more like desire, and leadership.

Peyton Manning throws some floaters, Brady looks lost outside the pocket, but by Denver standards of greatness they suck.

Its logical for some Denver fans to equate not having a cannon arm as suck...doesn't make it necessarily right but can be understandable.

KS Bronco
04-27-2009, 03:27 PM
I hate McDaniels, I think he is egotistical prick. I don't think I would enjoy having a beer with him, nor would I want to play a round of golf with him. That being said in my football playing days we won more games with a prick as a coach then with a nice guy. I also enjoyed those days much more because we would come home with wins.

In most cases we were not the most talented or biggest team on the field...we did however have disipline and a team first attitude. Those do seem to be the traits of truely championship caliber football teams. We also have a great looking offense, granted Cutler added more dimensions and abilities but also added some bonehead moves. So it may be a wash I'll take a few consertive passes over miracle balls. Orton seems like he is a tough level headed down to earth guy so I think we will be ok, and hopefully can pound it into the enzone and not sputter out.

Defense scares me an awful lot. But if we can now run the ball and control a clock instead of either scoring extreamly quick or going 3 and out we might be better.

As one of my prick OL coaches once said, "I don't give a **** if they score 200 points, you're ****ing up if we don't score 201."

so you've met our new coach? what's he like? no way anyone on this site would make purely hypothetical and ungrounded obnoxious statements

Pony Boy
04-27-2009, 03:27 PM
play action, play action, play action, it demands respect!

I see us in the red zone with Hillis in the true fullback position and Moreno behind him. Orton can quick handoff to Hillis or pitch to Moreno with Hillis clearing a path or take two steps back and flip the ball to Marshall or Royal. It should make Orton a lot better QB.

Watch some old film where Hillis cleared the way for McFadden or Felix Jones.:strong:

Never Trust a Snake
04-27-2009, 03:28 PM
Orton is terrible because he doesn't throw hard. That's the astute player analysis we have going.

Orton stinks because:

1. He doesn't complete his passes (55.3 career completion pct) His career high is 58.5%!!!!

2. He's not efficient (5.8 career yards/attempt)

3. He's not a game manager. He has just three more career TDs than INTs.


Orton is good in a short-term role, 3-6 games if your starter gets hurt. Over time, he's a below average starting QB.

oubronco
04-27-2009, 03:29 PM
The thing I'm having a problem with is: what's so bad about Kyle Orton? Everyone's enjoying a good laugh at the Broncos' expense, replacing Jay with Orton, but I've yet to hear why he's so terrible? I know he doesn't have Jay's gun, that's obvious, but I've yet to hear about him giving a game away, or holding his team back.

Also as far as terrible candid off field photos go, I'd say it's a push.

just look at what he did in Chicago thats all you need

KS Bronco
04-27-2009, 03:32 PM
Orton stinks because:

1. He doesn't complete his passes (55.3 career completion pct) His career high is 58.5%!!!!

2. He's not efficient (5.8 career yards/attempt)

3. He's not a game manager. He has just three more career TDs than INTs.


Orton is good in a short-term role, 3-6 games if your starter gets hurt. Over time, he's a below average starting QB.

look who he's throwing to. his top receiver last was devin hester! DEVIN HESTER, the kick returner turned wideout. with marshall, royal, stoke, and everyone else, orton is gonna put up some much improved numbers. im NOT saying he has equivalent talent with jay, but he'll turn some heads this year.

on that note, jay will have a much less productive year throwing the the chicago guys. and he will vocally get sick of handing off to forte all the time!

barryr
04-27-2009, 03:32 PM
Orton stinks because:

1. He doesn't complete his passes (55.3 career completion pct) His career high is 58.5%!!!!

2. He's not efficient (5.8 career yards/attempt)

3. He's not a game manager. He has just three more career TDs than INTs.


Orton is good in a short-term role, 3-6 games if your starter gets hurt. Over time, he's a below average starting QB.

Hmm, with that line of thinking, I guess Elway stunk too when you look at his stats playing in Reeves' offense. But oh, that's different. Comical.

BroncosinDC
04-27-2009, 03:33 PM
so you've met our new coach? what's he like? no way anyone on this site would make purely hypothetical and ungrounded obnoxious statements

As I stated that is what I think of him, obviously I have never met him. But rather used what I think of his personality to make the point that the impression I have of him is that of the great football coaches I have known. Which is really all I care about when it comes to McDaniels, his ability to win games. I could care less if he goes home and eats babies, so long as Denver is winning games.

Never Trust a Snake
04-27-2009, 03:37 PM
look who he's throwing to. his top receiver last was devin hester! DEVIN HESTER, the kick returner turned wideout. with marshall, royal, stoke, and everyone else, orton is gonna put up some much improved numbers. im NOT saying he has equivalent talent with jay, but he'll turn some heads this year.

You make a good point about Orton not having WRs, but he still hasn't been good when you evaluate him over a four-year span.

He's arguably had one average season and that's it. Everything else has been below-average, including his play as a whole. In 2006, Orton didn't even see the playing field. He was buried behind Rex Grossman and Brian Griese!!! That's comforting to know.

DenverBrit
04-27-2009, 03:46 PM
Blech. When we had Pittman as the goal line specialist and even Hillis in there, scoring TDs from in close wasnt really much of a problem. The not scoring inside the 20s indicates the effect of injuries at RBs.

The red zone issues have been around for years.

Never Trust a Snake
04-27-2009, 03:47 PM
Hmm, with that line of thinking, I guess Elway stunk too when you look at his stats playing in Reeves' offense. But oh, that's different. Comical.

Elway's stats were above-average when you put them in context.

Elway averaged 6.96 yards/attempt during the Reeves era. That's more than a yard better than Orton's career yards/attempt.

lex
04-27-2009, 03:47 PM
You make a good point about Orton not having WRs, but he still hasn't been good when you evaluate him over a four-year span.

He's arguably had one average season and that's it. Everything else has been below-average, including his play as a whole. In 2006, Orton didn't even see the playing field. He was buried behind Rex Grossman and Brian Griese!!! That's comforting to know.


Orton isnt as good the Bears win-loss record would indicate with him as QB since the Bears won in spite of him when he was a rookie due to a stellar defense. He's also no longer that QB. So to point to his body of work lends itself to massive distortion from opposite ends.

SonOfLe-loLang
04-27-2009, 03:47 PM
Orton stinks because:

1. He doesn't complete his passes (55.3 career completion pct) His career high is 58.5%!!!!

2. He's not efficient (5.8 career yards/attempt)

3. He's not a game manager. He has just three more career TDs than INTs.


Orton is good in a short-term role, 3-6 games if your starter gets hurt. Over time, he's a below average starting QB.

I'd really like to see him in something that resembles a creative, functional offense before I say he sucks. There's a reason chicago never has great QB's and its not bad luck.

Also, he doesnt make too many mistakes, he's got the keys to a ferrari now. dont ding it.

The one natural problem the broncos will have this year is that everyone is learning a new, complex offense. There will naturally be growing pains. Hopefully we gel quickly, but it wont be fully functioning to, at least, late in the season.

DenverBrit
04-27-2009, 03:48 PM
I attribute the lack of scoring last year to:

1. Green offensive unit - second youngest in the NFL
2. Poor starting field position
3. Bad luck

The offensive unit last season was strong across the board:

Yards/play: 2nd - NFL (6.2)
1st downs/game: T 2nd -NFL (22.1)
1st down percentage on passes: 9th - NFL (36.0)
Yards/passing play: T 9th - NFL (9.3)
Yards/rushing play: T 2nd -NFL (4.8)
1st down percentage on rushes: 2nd - NFL (26.6)

With a little more experience, they were bound to be an elite unit.

Enter Orton and you have a below-average QB (marginal starter) replacing a top 5-7 QB. Denver's offense won't be better. If they score more points, it will be because of a) better field position b) more support from the DEF/ST c) better luck.

The only one that counts is scoring offense....I see you omitted that one. ;D

Sassy
04-27-2009, 03:49 PM
Orton now has an O-line and top WR's which he didn't have in Chicago...and RB's...He'll be fine.

barryr
04-27-2009, 03:49 PM
The red zone issues have been around for years.

Yep, more evidence that some around here have not been paying attention to this team beyond this past season. Whether it was Cutler, Plummer, or even Griese at QB, getting the ball in the end zone from the red zone has been a problem. It seemed Elam went a time where if he didn't lead the league in field goals, he was close since they had to settle for so many field goals instead of TD's.

lex
04-27-2009, 03:49 PM
Elway's stats were above-average when you put them in context.

Elway averaged 6.96 yards/attempt during the Reeves era. That's more than a yard better than Orton's career yards/attempt.

Dont even bother responding to barryr. He has McDaniels' c*ck so far in his mouth that its stabbing his brain.

Never Trust a Snake
04-27-2009, 03:53 PM
Also, he doesnt make too many mistakes, he's got the keys to a ferrari now. dont ding it.

It's funny how people say Orton doesn't make mistakes when he has the extact same career INT percentage (3.0%) as Cutler.

Except with Orton, you don't get Cutler's good - yards/attempt, the accuracy and the TDs.

barryr
04-27-2009, 03:55 PM
Dont even bother responding to barryr. He has McDaniels' c*ck so far in his mouth that its stabbing his brain.

Speaking from someone who wants to have Cutler's love child. You obviously do not watch much football to be as ignorant about the game. Do you even know the difference between a football and a baseball? I doubt it.

It's more like Cutler throws hard, me likey, I'm getting turned on. Idiot.

socalorado
04-27-2009, 03:56 PM
You make a good point about Orton not having WRs, but he still hasn't been good when you evaluate him over a four-year span.

He's arguably had one average season and that's it. Everything else has been below-average, including his play as a whole. In 2006, Orton didn't even see the playing field. He was buried behind Rex Grossman and Brian Griese!!! That's comforting to know.

WTF does this mean?
Over a 4 year span, he is 22-12 with pure CR@P on offense.
That comforting to know.

Never Trust a Snake
04-27-2009, 03:59 PM
WTF does this mean?
Over a 4 year span, he is 22-12 with pure CR@P on offense.
That comforting to know.

The Bears defense went 22-12 in spite of Kyle Orton;D

Sassy
04-27-2009, 03:59 PM
Dont even bother responding to barryr. He has McDaniels' c*ck so far in his mouth that its stabbing his brain.

Talk about juvenile.

SonOfLe-loLang
04-27-2009, 04:00 PM
It's funny how people say Orton doesn't make mistakes when he has the extact same career INT percentage (3.0%) as Cutler.

Except with Orton, you don't get Cutler's good - yards/attempt, the accuracy and the TDs.

Watch him play. He doesn't lose games by forcing balls.

lex
04-27-2009, 04:02 PM
Speaking from someone who wants to have Cutler's love child. You obviously do not watch much football to be as ignorant about the game. Do you even know the difference between a football and a baseball? I doubt it.

It's more like Cutler throws hard, me likey, I'm getting turned on. Idiot.

LOL. No, thats just your perception because I havent been in the McDaniels camp. I was actually critical of Cutler around the time Shanahan was fired.

barryr
04-27-2009, 04:04 PM
LOL. No, thats just your perception because I havent been in the McDaniels camp. I was actually critical of Cutler around the time Shanahan was fired.

"Um duh, the Broncos needed to keep Shahanan and Slowik, and that 1st rounder for Alphonso Smith would have been used on a future HOF DL since Shahanan drafts so well for defense. Cutler throws a hard pitch, ooops, pass I think it's called."

Finger Roll
04-27-2009, 04:06 PM
look who he's throwing to. his top receiver last was devin hester! DEVIN HESTER, the kick returner turned wideout. with marshall, royal, stoke, and everyone else, orton is gonna put up some much improved numbers. im NOT saying he has equivalent talent with jay, but he'll turn some heads this year.

on that note, jay will have a much less productive year throwing the the chicago guys. and he will vocally get sick of handing off to forte all the time!

and he was throwing in tough windy conditions half the time.

Never Trust a Snake
04-27-2009, 04:09 PM
Watch him play. He doesn't lose games by forcing balls.

I have seen enough of Orton. He throws a lot of balls that hit the turf. He ranked 25th in completion percentage last year.

TheReverend
04-27-2009, 04:12 PM
I am counting on Orton going Brees this season. Once Brees left San Diego he went for a good QB to a wildman.

Dave, sure I can not change your mind?

The ONLY thing those two have in common is Purdue...

SonOfLe-loLang
04-27-2009, 04:12 PM
I have seen enough of Orton. He throws a lot of balls that hit the turf. He ranked 25th in completion percentage last year.

Fine, whatever. We'll agree to disagree. Im not claiming Orton will be the be all/end all, i just dont think he's going to be a disaster like youre predicting. I actually expect him to succeed in the offense, which is more like his college one anyway.

TheReverend
04-27-2009, 04:14 PM
Speaking from someone who wants to have Cutler's love child. You obviously do not watch much football to be as ignorant about the game. Do you even know the difference between a football and a baseball? I doubt it.

It's more like Cutler throws hard, me likey, I'm getting turned on. Idiot.

That really doesn't compare to the level of put down lex put on you. I'd try again.

lex
04-27-2009, 04:14 PM
WTF does this mean?
Over a 4 year span, he is 22-12 with pure CR@P on offense.
That comforting to know.

In 2005, the Bears were 10-5 with Orton playing QB as a rookie. In that year, he had a completion % of 51.6%, and had 9 TDs to 13 INTs.

In 2007, he started 3 games and the teams record was 2-1. Orton had a 53.8% completion % and had 3 TDs to 2 INTs. Hardly a huge sample but the completion % was still low, though getting better.

So, as you can see, 12 of those wins came to a larger extent because of the defense and/or running game. He was 12-6 in those years when he was relying heavily on other componentes of the team.

In 2008, the Bears were 9-6 with him as a starter. 2008 is the year that is more representative of him as a QB. But in that year, the Bears win% with him as a starter actually went down. What does that mean? It means they were winning by defense largely but recently their defense has faltered.

DenverBrit
04-27-2009, 04:15 PM
I have seen enough of Orton. He throws a lot of balls that hit the turf. He ranked 25th in completion percentage last year.

Yeah, with all those WR weapons and solid OL he had to work with. ;D

TheReverend
04-27-2009, 04:17 PM
Yeah, with all those WR weapons and solid OL he had to work with. ;D

Doesn't take much to check down to your TE and RB over and over and over and over and over and over and......

DenverBrit
04-27-2009, 04:17 PM
That really doesn't compare to the level of put down lex put on you. I'd try again.

Yeah, slacker.....we expect more Homo Erotic fantasies in your put downs. Ha!

lex
04-27-2009, 04:18 PM
Yeah, with all those WR weapons and solid OL he had to work with. ;D

He checks down a lot though too. Its not like he is making passes with a high degree of difficulty. That doesnt mean he's garbage but his completion % is actually buoyed by the fact that he doesnt take chances...and its still not THAT high. But to be fair, we'll learn more about him fairly soon when he's playing for a more complete offense.

SonOfLe-loLang
04-27-2009, 04:19 PM
In 2005, the Bears were 10-5 with Orton playing QB as a rookie. In that year, he had a completion % of 51.6%, and had 9 TDs to 13 INTs.

In 2007, he started 3 games and the teams record was 2-1. Orton had a 53.8% completion % and had 3 TDs to 2 INTs. Hardly a huge sample but the completion % was still low, though getting better.

So, as you can see, 12 of those wins came to a larger extent because of the defense and/or running game. He was 12-6 in those years when he was relying heavily on other componentes of the team.

In 2008, the Bears were 9-6 with him as a starter. 2008 is the year that is more representative of him as a QB. But in that year, the Bears win% with him as a starter actually went down. What does that mean? It means they were winning by defense largely but recently their defense has faltered.


Your comment about 2008 is a real leap considering tons of things go into a football game. in 06, Orton barely took snaps in preseason and was thrust into the role as a complete unprepped rookie. In 07, i believe all his games were in december and in some horrific weather.

In 08, he was playing fantastically until slowed by a bad ankle injury. He's coming to a much more QB friendly offense that is more talented than chicago at virtually every single position.

BroncosinDC
04-27-2009, 04:20 PM
138 Days 18 Hours until the regular season kicks off...OR how much longer can we compare stats until the mean jack shi....

Never Trust a Snake
04-27-2009, 04:20 PM
Fine, whatever. We'll agree to disagree. Im not claiming Orton will be the be all/end all, i just dont think he's going to be a disaster like youre predicting. I actually expect him to succeed in the offense, which is more like his college one anyway.

I never said Orton would be a disaster. He's not a good QB though, and Denver's offense is not better with him behind center.

He may very well have his career year and be a top 12-15 QB. Big deal. With Cutler, Denver was set for the next decade at QB. Right now, it's a week-to-week, year-to-year dilemma.

lex
04-27-2009, 04:21 PM
Your comment about 2008 is a real leap considering tons of things go into a football game. in 06, Orton barely took snaps in preseason and was thrust into the role as a complete unprepped rookie. In 07, i believe all his games were in december and in some horrific weather.

In 08, he was playing fantastically until slowed by a bad ankle injury. He's coming to a much more QB friendly offense that is more talented than chicago at virtually every single position.

You really have problems reading.

barryr
04-27-2009, 04:22 PM
Doesn't take much to check down to your TE and RB over and over and over and over and over and over and......

Elway must have stunk too while he was playing under Reeves' offense since his stats don't look good during that time frame. This is the sort of stuff those that don't watch games and just look at stats and think that tells them the full story.

TheReverend
04-27-2009, 04:23 PM
Elway must have stunk too while he was playing under Reeves' offense since his stats don't look good during that time frame. This is the sort of stuff those that don't watch games and just look at stats and think that tells them the full story.

Now you're comparing Orton and Elway?

I mean, really...?

:spit:

barryr
04-27-2009, 04:29 PM
Now you're comparing Orton and Elway?

I mean, really...?

:spit:

I am? What are you really that stupid? I stated that Elway's stats were not good under Reeves. You believe otherwise? But you take that to me comparing Elway to Orton. You can not read or don't want to, not to mention obviously have no legit answer. "Um duh, you're saying Orton is better than Elway." Yeah, sure.

TheReverend
04-27-2009, 04:36 PM
I am? What are you really that stupid? I stated that Elway's stats were not good under Reeves. You believe otherwise? But you take that to me comparing Elway to Orton. You can not read or don't want to, not to mention obviously have no legit answer. "Um duh, you're saying Orton is better than Elway." Yeah, sure.

Sure looks like it to me:

Elway must have stunk too while he was playing under Reeves' offense since his stats don't look good during that time frame. This is the sort of stuff those that don't watch games and just look at stats and think that tells them the full story.

Good luck with that...

Never Trust a Snake
04-27-2009, 04:41 PM
The ironic aspect about Orton is "we" as Broncos fans are hoping he can duplicate the success that Jake Plummer had from 2003-05 when he was one of the top 8-10 QBs in the league. And what Plummer did was not good enough for Denver even though he was supported by a top 10 defense and top running game. I feel like we are back at square one again.

Archer81
04-27-2009, 04:49 PM
Why are we so sure its Orton? The job is 100% open, hell, the rookie we drafted could be starting this summer. My money is on Simms though.


:Broncos:

BroncoBuff
04-27-2009, 06:03 PM
Why are we so sure its Orton? My money is on Simms.

Me too ... he is a real gamer. Hasn't played the last 2 3/4 seasons, but I watched him quite a lot, practically every week in 2005 and early '06. I have no idea why Gruden and the Bucs treated him so badly, maybe there's something wrong with him as a person, I dunno.

But I'm betting he wins the job, hands down. We'll probably know the job is his even before the first pre-season game.

OBF1
04-27-2009, 06:27 PM
When your QB and #1 WR turn the ball over repeatedly inside the redzone, your producton will never look good.

How dare you insult the messiah named Cutler ROFL!