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tsiguy96
04-26-2009, 07:07 PM
http://www.denverbroncos.com/

great stuff. all the haters read it and you will understand what happens on draft day to real NFL teams who are sitting on the clock. they trust in their draft boards that they have spent months assembling.

"i dont think this was a very deep draft of players who would fit our system. not that we wouldnt take any. when you get to a selection and you got a player you value much higher tahn another player, in my opinion you dont want to draft someone just because they play a certain position unless you think they are going to come in and make you better."

"we are not looking to draft players early and cut them. if they are gonna come in and compete and have a good chance of coming in and making the team, were gonna draft someone we think can at a different position"

suckers.

tsiguy96
04-26-2009, 07:09 PM
"the players we drafted today and yesterday im very pleased with. each has a chance to come in and compete"

he reiterated later he drafteda bunch of TEAM FIRST players, no "me me me" players.

Gcver2ver3
04-26-2009, 07:11 PM
"the players we drafted today and yesterday im very pleased with. each has a chance to come in and compete"

he reiterated later he drafteda bunch of TEAM FIRST players, no "me me me" players.

yea McD has a good plan IMO...

primadonnas like Cutler have no place here...

tsiguy96
04-26-2009, 07:17 PM
"i love the attitude that every one of these guys is gonna approach our organization and team with which is they are gonna come in and work hard. they know theyve got good competition ahead of them, they know they have good veteran players to learn from, they are gonna do anything they can to help the team improve."

BroncoDoug
04-26-2009, 07:19 PM
nothing will load for me on that site... are there transcrips to any of these pressers in the last few days

521 1N5
04-26-2009, 07:19 PM
I love McD- He's just what this team needed.

tsiguy96
04-26-2009, 07:21 PM
"at certain points in the draft, you ask yourself if we wait, is he gonna be there.... if we wait, we are not gonna be able to obtain the player we wanna get. we weighed the value of what we are trying to try and go ahead and get the palyers we wanna get.

"we have a totally full draft next year, 1-7. we didnt give away any rounds next year, we had some extra and we used to move and get some players in this years draft, which we werent afraid to do that. doesnt mean we will do that all the time"

MABroncoFan
04-26-2009, 07:22 PM
The Denver Post article mentions they'll bring in 15 to 18 undrafted FAs in the next few days.

broncofan7
04-26-2009, 07:23 PM
6-10. Kool-aid drinkers.

colonelbeef
04-26-2009, 07:25 PM
6-10. Kool-aid drinkers.

at best. this is a complete annihilation of the Broncos. At least McDaniels will be wiser the 2nd time he gets his shot at running a franchise.

socalorado
04-26-2009, 07:26 PM
Yesterday, during the 2nd round i realized what he doing.
He had a list of players from this draft he put together, and he
went off that list regardless of actual team need.
Thats fine, although i think teams like INDY taking Moala or a team like TENN taking Sen'Derrick Marks or NE taking Ron Brace are not bad picks.
These teams last i checked seemd to be usually in the playoffs, and seem to have a good idea of how to draft, so i am still a little unsure of MCDs ideology.
However. All of the players he drafted are really good players.
Its not that the players are not good, he has a good eye for talent i think.
its that there were other players that also were talented, and apparently he does not think so. We'll see, i guess.

tsiguy96
04-26-2009, 07:26 PM
6-10. Kool-aid drinkers.

every bronco player and coach feels good about the team, until they give me a reason ON THE FIELD not to, i will as well. its stupid to call the season over when we havent even had minicamps yet, absolutely stupid.

HAT
04-26-2009, 07:26 PM
I love McD- He's just what this team needed.

McMastermind.............So glad Shanny is gone!

521 1N5
04-26-2009, 07:28 PM
at best. this is a complete annihilation of the Broncos. At least McDaniels will be wiser the 2nd time he gets his shot at running a franchise.

You are so right. I mean it being April 26th and all.

tsiguy96
04-26-2009, 07:28 PM
"i cant emphasize enough how much we are gonna try to win as a team. it will not be one side of the ball beating the other team, it wont be the other side of the ball beating the other team. itll be 3 phases, playing well, playing together, complementing each other, playing good football"

colonelbeef
04-26-2009, 07:30 PM
You are so right. I mean it being April 26th and all.

you don't need to be ankle deep in rainwater to know when a thunderstorm is coming

colonelbeef
04-26-2009, 07:31 PM
"i cant emphasize enough how much we are gonna try to win as a team. it will not be one side of the ball beating the other team, it wont be the other side of the ball beating the other team. itll be 3 phases, playing well, playing together, complementing each other, playing good football"

Mangini said the exact same things when he got to the Jets, it's actually funny to watch these guys parrot the same sentences

Bronx33
04-26-2009, 07:31 PM
6-10. Kool-aid drinkers.


Get em while their hot! (http://www.dallascowboys.com/tickets.cfm)

gyldenlove
04-26-2009, 07:32 PM
Funny how baby hoodie couldn't find a DL, yet daddy hoodie drafted 3 DTs. I trust Belichicks drafting more than Mcdaniels so far.

Killericon
04-26-2009, 07:36 PM
6-10. Kool-aid drinkers.

We're not naiive, and you're not a bad fan. I hate the us v them mindset, and it's ****ing EVERYWHERE.

colonelbeef
04-26-2009, 07:36 PM
Taken from the denver post online, pretty much sums up how I feel about this entire fiasco

"McHoodie to Hoodie, Come in Hoodie"
"Hoodie Here. What is the status of operation 'Destroy Rivals'?"
"All is going as planned, sir. We have traded away the franchise quarterback. The receiving TE is soon to follow. We have traded away a probable Top-10 pick next year for a 2nd rounder. I have spent the remainder of the picks on players that were rated as lower round picks or as FAs."
"Excellent. Bailey will be retired in 3 years, and then the decimation will be complete."
"Yes, sir. The only hurdle was the back Moreno. Eyes were upon me during the first pick, so I was forced to take someone talented, but don't forget sir that I already have 6 running backs, so I was very careful to pick a position where we have no need."
"Well done McHoodie. You are tearing apart our rival's team even quicker than Mangini."
"Thank you sir. McHoodie out." http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2007/1004/20071004_024617_face_blank.gif (http://neighbors.denverpost.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=13483)
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chaz
04-26-2009, 07:39 PM
yea McD has a good plan IMO...

primadonnas like Cutler have no place here...

Cutler haters won't let go...he was far from a primadonna. Small town kid, hated the media spotlight, came in on off days...he made some immature decisions this offseason that got him shipped out but get real.

Edit: I agree with McD's drafting of team-orientated guys, I just don't think that strategy is opposite of Cutler

NUB
04-26-2009, 07:41 PM
So wait. They admit this draft class was weak, so instead of bundling picks from this class, they threw away a pick from a future one. Yeah that makes sense.

yerner
04-26-2009, 07:48 PM
I guess I'll take his word for it. Still, it doesn't change the fact that they'll get run over again.

bombquixote
04-26-2009, 07:49 PM
6-10. Kool-aid drinkers.

I'm not optimistic, yet I actually like McD and his philosophy. I'm so....confused.

titan
04-26-2009, 07:50 PM
It was a good press conference. I thought it was interesting that the broncos "board" had less than 100 players on it - is that how other teams do it, or is this the "New England" way? Also that 7 of the 10 players drafted had already been at the Bronco facility in private workouts. McD said the NFL only allows teams to bring in 30 prospects for private workouts, so this tells me they really had a plan, players they wanted, and no hesitency to move up to get players on their "list".

Also what impressed me was that the Broncos had an eye on special teams with their picks - the db picks are all projected to be good special teams players. If you pick a marginal dlineman who doesn't start he's not going to help you out on special teams as much as a second string db.

I like McD/Xanders "best player available" approach to the draft. Shanahan, while having his share of good picks, drafted on need way too much.

I still don't like giving up next year's #1 - hopefully that won't be a painful lesson for McD (he's going to make some mistakes - if the overall direction he's moving the franchise is positive, which I think it is, I'll cut him some slack)

Bronx33
04-26-2009, 07:55 PM
It was a good press conference. I thought it was interesting that the broncos "board" had less than 100 players on it - is that how other teams do it, or is this the "New England" way? Also that 7 of the 10 players drafted had already been at the Bronco facility in private workouts. McD said the NFL only allows teams to bring in 30 prospects for private workouts, so this tells me they really had a plan, players they wanted, and no hesitency to move up to get players on their "list".

Also what impressed me was that the Broncos had an eye on special teams with their picks - the db picks are all projected to be good special teams players. If you pick a marginal dlineman who doesn't start he's not going to help you out on special teams as much as a second string db.

I like McD/Xanders "best player available" approach to the draft. Shanahan, while having his share of good picks, drafted on need way too much.

I still don't like giving up next year's #1 - hopefully that won't be a painful lesson for McD (he's going to make some mistakes - if the overall direction he's moving the franchise is positive, which I think it is, I'll cut him some slack)

broncofan7 says: 6-10 you Kool-aid drinker!

uplink
04-26-2009, 08:05 PM
Wonder who the targeted players where who got picked just before McD could get them?

DrFate
04-26-2009, 08:20 PM
"i dont think this was a very deep draft of players who would fit our system.

If this draft wasn't deep in players that fit the system, why was he so eager to throw NEXT year's pick at this year's crop of players? That makes no sense...

broncofan7
04-26-2009, 08:20 PM
broncofan7 says: 6-10 you Kool-aid drinker!

That'll be $19.95 for everytime you quote YOUR LEADER.

garandman
04-26-2009, 08:26 PM
http://www.denverbroncos.com/

great stuff. all the haters read it and you will understand what happens on draft day to real NFL teams who are sitting on the clock. they trust in their draft boards that they have spent months assembling.

"i dont think this was a very deep draft of players who would fit our system. not that we wouldnt take any. when you get to a selection and you got a player you value much higher tahn another player, in my opinion you dont want to draft someone just because they play a certain position unless you think they are going to come in and make you better."

"we are not looking to draft players early and cut them. if they are gonna come in and compete and have a good chance of coming in and making the team, were gonna draft someone we think can at a different position"

suckers.


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OBF1
04-26-2009, 08:27 PM
Very good. It gave me my first chance to sit and listen to the coach and see what direction he is heading. Thanks for the thread.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
04-26-2009, 08:27 PM
http://www.denverbroncos.com/

great stuff. all the haters read it and you will understand what happens on draft day to real NFL teams who are sitting on the clock. they trust in their draft boards that they have spent months assembling.

"i dont think this was a very deep draft of players who would fit our system. not that we wouldnt take any. when you get to a selection and you got a player you value much higher tahn another player, in my opinion you dont want to draft someone just because they play a certain position unless you think they are going to come in and make you better."

"we are not looking to draft players early and cut them. if they are gonna come in and compete and have a good chance of coming in and making the team, were gonna draft someone we think can at a different position"

suckers.


Shannahan said the stuff.

Broncoman13
04-26-2009, 08:36 PM
I'm not optimistic, yet I actually like McD and his philosophy. I'm so....confused.


Exactly where I'm at. I like his philosophy... don't much care for the execution. Honestly, you put this kid under somebody like AJ Smith or Bill Parcells, or another hotsh!t GM and he would be a winner in no time.

DrFate
04-26-2009, 08:37 PM
Why does this guy remind me of nothing less than a frat boy? He really grates on my nerves...

lex
04-26-2009, 08:42 PM
So wait. They admit this draft class was weak, so instead of bundling picks from this class, they threw away a pick from a future one. Yeah that makes sense.

To be fair. Mayock and Davis both were discussing the CBs this year and both agreed that the only thing preventing Smith from being the hands down best CB was his height. I guess his speed is also not "elite" but they were saying his reads on plays are so phenomenal that its a shame he's only 5'9".

epicSocialism4tw
04-26-2009, 08:47 PM
"i dont think this was a very deep draft of players who would fit our system. not that we wouldnt take any. when you get to a selection and you got a player you value much higher tahn another player, in my opinion you dont want to draft someone just because they play a certain position unless you think they are going to come in and make you better."

Oh. See...this makes alot of sense.

You dont see that there's alot in the draft to improve your team, so you trade away a critical pick in next years draft to take a lesser player in this one.

Brilliant!

epicSocialism4tw
04-26-2009, 08:49 PM
Exactly where I'm at. I like his philosophy... don't much care for the execution. Honestly, you put this kid under somebody like AJ Smith or Bill Parcells, or another hot**** GM and he would be a winner in no time.

I agree with this.

Unfortunately, our franchise is executing this thing like Emmit Smith trying to derive equations.

NUB
04-26-2009, 08:50 PM
To be fair. Mayock and Davis both were discussing the CBs this year and both agreed that the only thing preventing Smith from being the hands down best CB was his height. I guess his speed is also not "elite" but they were saying his reads on plays are so phenomenal that its a shame he's only 5'9".

Nothing against Smith, just the way we got Smitih.

Seattle took our pick, then traded back into the 2nd round with a third and fourth and got the guy they wanted. That's how you do it; the Broncos method here was blundering and hamfisted.

lex
04-26-2009, 08:57 PM
Nothing against Smith, just the way we got Smitih.

Seattle took our pick, then traded back into the 2nd round with a third and fourth and got the guy they wanted. That's how you do it; the Broncos method here was blundering and hamfisted.

No, I agree that it was a major blunder and one that I will be bitter about for a long time. Smith could conceivably turn into a top 10 pick depending on how we do this year. We had two third round picks and allegedly were shopping Scheffler. The two thirds and Scheffler would have made more sense than trading a first. Plus, just the general principle of dealing picks from the top of the draft instead of ones from the bottom (when you have multiple picks as we did in the 3rd) is very poor. This was a totally incompetent job at maneuvering inspite of ending up with good players. And its actually enfuriating to hear McDaniels say we still have all our picks next year as if that somehow justifies this stupidity. Basically by not dealing our lower picks, we're saying that Richard Quinn and David Bruton is better or more important than who we may get next year.

NUB
04-26-2009, 09:06 PM
No, I agree that it was a major blunder and one that I will be bitter about for a long time. Smith could conceivably turn into a top 10 pick depending on how we do this year. We had two third round picks and allegedly were shopping Scheffler. The two thirds and Scheffler would have made more sense than trading a first. Plus, just the general principle of dealing picks from the top of the draft instead of ones from the bottom (when you have multiple picks as we did in the 3rd) is very poor. This was a totally incompetent job at maneuvering inspite of ending up with good players. And its actually enfuriating to hear McDaniels say we still have all our picks next year as if that somehow justifies this stupidity. Basically by not dealing our lower picks, we're saying that Richard Quinn and David Bruton is better or more important than who we may get next year.

Yup.

Even if Smith turns out to be great, what we're losing here is true maneuverability. We could have easily had that #37 for equal value, I honestly can't grasp exactly why the trade was made... Especially when you look at how easy it was for Seattle to just hop right back into the 2nd round with a third and fourth.

Next year will be painful. The maneuverability you can have with two firsts is gone and it will just downright ugly if we have a bad season and our compensation goes straight to Seattle.

Pseudofool
04-26-2009, 09:06 PM
Oh. See...this makes alot of sense.

You dont see that there's alot in the draft to improve your team, so you trade away a critical pick in next years draft to take a lesser player in this one.

Brilliant!How deep this draft is speaks nothing to how they might have valued Smith (a draft can have little depth but still plenty of good players). I'm not happy about giving up the 1st, but I'm not going to intentionally misread quotes to point out contradictions that probably don't exist.

Broncojef
04-26-2009, 09:06 PM
at best. this is a complete annihilation of the Broncos. .

Funny I thought that the entire 07 and 08 seasons getting embarrassed consistently in huge games, the Chargers, the Lions, The Patriots.. the Broncos were anihilated long before Josh came here. No passion, same old tired crap, players with no discipline...Your thunderstorm was here and you never even felt the rain Beef Boy.

lex
04-26-2009, 09:12 PM
Yup.

Even if Smith turns out to be great, what we're losing here is true maneuverability. We could have easily had that #37 for equal value, I honestly can't grasp exactly why the trade was made... Especially when you look at how easy it was for Seattle to just hop right back into the 2nd round with a third and fourth.

Next year will be painful. The maneuverability you can have with two firsts is gone and it will just downright ugly if we have a bad season and our compensation goes straight to Seattle.


Quite honestly, Im so bitter about losing that pick, that Im thinking of who we could trade to get back in the first. Id really like to throw to Scheffler every time we're in the redzone so he gets a lot of TDs, driving up his value and making him more of a commodity.

It also has me convinced that there is too much of a conflict of interest in letting the coach have so much influence over decisions and that we need a legitimate GM.

SoCalBronco
04-26-2009, 09:15 PM
"i dont think this was a very deep draft of players who would fit our system. not that we wouldnt take any. when you get to a selection and you got a player you value much higher tahn another player, in my opinion you dont want to draft someone just because they play a certain position unless you think they are going to come in and make you better."



The problem with this whole line of thought, as it applies to the 3-4 DL is that, as Roh pointed our quite nicely earlier, alot of other highly respected 3-4 coaches ended up drafting several 3-4 prospects throughout the draft (even into Day 2). We recognize at the outset that this might not be the best 3-4 DL system fits of all time, but there's still talent there, even if flawed. Those other coaches recognize, as all good coaches do, that the job of the NFL coach is not to just sit there and complain that there aren't perfect system fits. It is rare that you get a prototype that falls into your lap. You've got to add talent that generally fits the system and then coach them up, work around and try to minimize their flaws. After all, this the NFL, these are supposed to be the best coaches in the world. Other 3-4 teams had no problem with grabbing the talent out there and they will try to make it work. Well...we didn't even try. Don't sit back there McD and tell me no one fit. You aren't smarter than all the other 3-4 teams out there that made the investment. When you have nothing, you HAVE to make an investment of some kind, to get some depth going and to get some competition going.

If you really believe the talent at those spots still isn't great, the answer STILL isn't to TOTALLY IGNORE IT (like they did). The answer is to wait until Day 2 to make your investment, so that the risk isn't prohibitive. We could have used a Dorell Scott or a Terrance Taylor or a Sammie Lee Hill. Bring some of the fits in and coach them up. What's the problem. It's only a 5th, you aren't going to get killed if he doesn't work out. They didn't even try. That's the biggest indictment on them. They didn't even try. They sat there with their dicks in their hands doing nothing. If they really believe that they can line up Peterson, Powell/Fields and Thomas and hope to keep people off LBs, then they're going to get a rude awakening. And no one's going to cut them any slack. Because they could have had SOMETHING. It might not have been perfect, but it would have been something to build on, it would have been a rotation and some players to work with.

As it stands, they didn't do jack ****.

2KBack
04-26-2009, 09:19 PM
Mangini said the exact same things when he got to the Jets, it's actually funny to watch these guys parrot the same sentences

and then proceeded to make the playoffs his first season

TotallyScrewed
04-26-2009, 09:26 PM
"i cant emphasize enough how much we are gonna try to win as a team. it will not be one side of the ball beating the other team, it wont be the other side of the ball beating the other team. itll be 3 phases, playing well, playing together, complementing each other, playing good football"

Can you explain this further?

Are you telling me that the defense stunk it up last year because of Jay and the rest of the offense played pretty darn good. Or are you telling me that Jay stunk it up late because he had no running game to support him and the defense was a swinging gate?

Time will tell if this team plays better.

I still stand by my opinion that Jay was the best player on the team and a franchise (pro-bowl) QB and you don't get rid of them for anything or anyone. Did Jay have a right to be pissed? Did Bowlen handle it well?

Mr.Meanie
04-26-2009, 09:28 PM
and then proceeded to make the playoffs his first season

and without a "franchise QB"

manchambo
04-26-2009, 10:55 PM
Funny I thought that the entire 07 and 08 seasons getting embarrassed consistently in huge games, the Chargers, the Lions, The Patriots.. the Broncos were anihilated long before Josh came here. No passion, same old tired crap, players with no discipline...Your thunderstorm was here and you never even felt the rain Beef Boy.

We really are very spoiled around here. You think 8-8 is as bad as it gets?

Pseudofool
04-26-2009, 11:51 PM
We recognize at the outset that this might not be the best 3-4 DL system fits of all time, but there's still talent there, even if flawed.Can you really blame McD for passing on flawed players who may have fit our most immediate need (3-4 NT, DE) for players that aren't flawed (or at least lesser so) who might fill a less immediate need?

What if McD felt that the players available at NT, DE in the middle and late rounds were comparable to the ones that were available as UDFA (given our signings of Baker, etc.)?

SoCalBronco
04-26-2009, 11:58 PM
Can you really blame McD for passing on flawed players who may have fit our most immediate need (3-4 NT, DE) for players that aren't flawed (or at least lesser so) who might fill a less immediate need?

What if McD felt that the players available at NT, DE in the middle and late rounds were comparable to the ones that were available as UDFA (given our signings of Baker, etc.)?

I do like the signing of Baker, but the problem is that these prospects (that is, many of the 3-4 skill set guys) were taken and other 3-4 teams found ways to fill needs on their lines. It goes back to what Rohirrim said about who do you trust, or put another way, do you think we're smarter than a whole bunch of other people. I don't particularly believe that we are. I do like that they got two nice small school prospects in UDFA, but more than that should have been done.

Pseudofool
04-27-2009, 12:04 AM
I do like the signing of Baker, but the problem is that these prospects were taken and other 3-4 teams found ways to fill needs on their lines. It goes back to what Rohirrim said about who do you trust, or put another way, do you think we're smarter than a whole bunch of other people. I don't particularly believe that we are. I do like that they got two nice small school prospects in UDFA, but more than that should have been done.This is a fair point. I made this point in another thread, but to repeat myself, if the gap between drafted NT/DEs and UDFA NT/DEs is the smallest among any position it makes sense to draft other positions. (Otherwise we end up increasing the need to draft NT/DE again next year).

It stinks we didn't get some awesome d-line prospects, but larger than that it stinks that when our need was the highest for some d-line prospects this year's draft talent was so low.

BroncoDoug
04-27-2009, 01:00 AM
The problem with this whole line of thought, as it applies to the 3-4 DL is that, as Roh pointed our quite nicely earlier, alot of other highly respected 3-4 coaches ended up drafting several 3-4 prospects throughout the draft (even into Day 2). We recognize at the outset that this might not be the best 3-4 DL system fits of all time, but there's still talent there, even if flawed. Those other coaches recognize, as all good coaches do, that the job of the NFL coach is not to just sit there and complain that there aren't perfect system fits. It is rare that you get a prototype that falls into your lap. You've got to add talent that generally fits the system and then coach them up, work around and try to minimize their flaws. After all, this the NFL, these are supposed to be the best coaches in the world. Other 3-4 teams had no problem with grabbing the talent out there and they will try to make it work. Well...we didn't even try. Don't sit back there McD and tell me no one fit. You aren't smarter than all the other 3-4 teams out there that made the investment. When you have nothing, you HAVE to make an investment of some kind, to get some depth going and to get some competition going.

If you really believe the talent at those spots still isn't great, the answer STILL isn't to TOTALLY IGNORE IT (like they did). The answer is to wait until Day 2 to make your investment, so that the risk isn't prohibitive. We could have used a Dorell Scott or a Terrance Taylor or a Sammie Lee Hill. Bring some of the fits in and coach them up. What's the problem. It's only a 5th, you aren't going to get killed if he doesn't work out. They didn't even try. That's the biggest indictment on them. They didn't even try. They sat there with their ***** in their hands doing nothing. If they really believe that they can line up Peterson, Powell/Fields and Thomas and hope to keep people off LBs, then they're going to get a rude awakening. And no one's going to cut them any slack. Because they could have had SOMETHING. It might not have been perfect, but it would have been something to build on, it would have been a rotation and some players to work with.

As it stands, they didn't do jack ****.


While I agree with some of your points, I think all those other teams that took players for their 3-4 have a better luxury then us. Teams like the Patriots and Steelers already have their studs like Wilfork and Seymore and Hampton, etc. so the guys they are drafting are rotational guys, and backups. We have nothing close to that, so for us to take a player that might not fit what we do to a T would hurt us a lot more then those teams that can afford to move them around and not even play them if they don't have to.

Popps
04-27-2009, 01:07 AM
While I agree with some of your points, I think all those other teams that took players for their 3-4 have a better luxury then us. Teams like the Patriots and Steelers already have their studs like Wilfork and Seymore and Hampton, etc. so the guys they are drafting are rotational guys, and backups. We have nothing close to that, so for us to take a player that might not fit what we do to a T would hurt us a lot more then those teams that can afford to move them around and not even play them if they don't have to.

McDaniels said himself, we're not drafting guys to cut them. Clearly, Brace made it through the better part of two rounds. There are major questions about whether or not he can contribute at the NFL level. Maybe he will, and I thought we should give him a look... but if you look at the Patriots starting DL, aren't all of them fairly high first round selections?

We took one first round selection at DE, which I assume is because Nolan and Co. graded him out as a potential star.

We passed on other DL in the first round because I'm guessing we didn't see any other real value. As I said, guys like Everett Brown and Brace made it through a good part of round two. Clearly, not guys teams thought were sure starters.

Guys thought to be sure-fire DL starters are taken in round one, folks. Doesn't mean value can't be found lower, but all of these guys slipped for a reasons. A couple of them will probably pan out, most won't. That's how this stuff goes.

Clearly, our staff entered the draft with laser-sights on some guys and used extra picks to land them.... guys they thought were great values and potential contributors where the got them. They had no interest in truck-loading picks as we did in the Shanahan era. (Most of which washed out.)

colonelbeef
04-27-2009, 08:47 AM
So wait. They admit this draft class was weak, so instead of bundling picks from this class, they threw away a pick from a future one. Yeah that makes sense.

Yep. McDaniels says that this years draft is weak, so he goes and throws a 1st rounder in next years' draft to get an extra pick this year- in the weaker draft. Makes sense right?

He has no real plan, this much is apparent. He has real difficulty speaking the truth obviously. It's amusing watching the apologists contort and squirm to defend him though

i4jelway7
04-27-2009, 09:12 AM
Taken from the denver post online, pretty much sums up how I feel about this entire fiasco

"McHoodie to Hoodie, Come in Hoodie"
"Hoodie Here. What is the status of operation 'Destroy Rivals'?"
"All is going as planned, sir. We have traded away the franchise quarterback. The receiving TE is soon to follow. We have traded away a probable Top-10 pick next year for a 2nd rounder. I have spent the remainder of the picks on players that were rated as lower round picks or as FAs."
"Excellent. Bailey will be retired in 3 years, and then the decimation will be complete."
"Yes, sir. The only hurdle was the back Moreno. Eyes were upon me during the first pick, so I was forced to take someone talented, but don't forget sir that I already have 6 running backs, so I was very careful to pick a position where we have no need."
"Well done McHoodie. You are tearing apart our rival's team even quicker than Mangini."
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awesomely funny.. but yet so true

Billy couldn't beat us so he sent his disciple of death to tear us apart from the inside out

chickennob2
04-27-2009, 09:24 AM
We could have used a Dorell Scott or a Terrance Taylor or a Sammie Lee Hill. Bring some of the fits in and coach them up.

Did you notice that those 3 players you mentioned were all drafted to 4-3 teams? Even Jarron Gilbert, the supposed 3-4 DE darling of the draft, went to a 4-3 scheme in Chicago. True, NE grabbed some DL guys. But we're not playing NE's straight up 3-4 scheme. We're playing a hybrid defense where guys will be required to have more flexibility and athletic ability than a Ron Brace, whose talents limit him to playing exclusively at the space eating NT position.

MVP-06
04-27-2009, 09:44 AM
6-10. Kool-aid drinkers.

with our schedule we were going to be 6-10 with Cutler and Shanny anyways

Broncomutt
04-27-2009, 09:52 AM
This team is already better than last. Good enough for me.

How's that phone Shanny?

Just ringin' off the hook I bet.Hilarious!

STBumpkin
04-27-2009, 10:02 AM
you don't need to be ankle deep in rainwater to know when a thunderstorm is coming

But if you're standing in a puddle and looking into a clear blue sky, it's probably safe to say the storm has already passed and it's gonna be a nice day.

STBumpkin
04-27-2009, 10:09 AM
If this draft wasn't deep in players that fit the system, why was he so eager to throw NEXT year's pick at this year's crop of players? That makes no sense...

How is next year's pick gonna help the team this year? By using it now, we give that player a year to develope into a starter.

footstepsfrom#27
04-27-2009, 10:17 AM
The problem with this whole line of thought, as it applies to the 3-4 DL is that, as Roh pointed our quite nicely earlier, alot of other highly respected 3-4 coaches ended up drafting several 3-4 prospects throughout the draft (even into Day 2). We recognize at the outset that this might not be the best 3-4 DL system fits of all time, but there's still talent there, even if flawed. Those other coaches recognize, as all good coaches do, that the job of the NFL coach is not to just sit there and complain that there aren't perfect system fits. It is rare that you get a prototype that falls into your lap. You've got to add talent that generally fits the system and then coach them up, work around and try to minimize their flaws. After all, this the NFL, these are supposed to be the best coaches in the world. Other 3-4 teams had no problem with grabbing the talent out there and they will try to make it work. Well...we didn't even try. Don't sit back there McD and tell me no one fit. You aren't smarter than all the other 3-4 teams out there that made the investment. When you have nothing, you HAVE to make an investment of some kind, to get some depth going and to get some competition going.

If you really believe the talent at those spots still isn't great, the answer STILL isn't to TOTALLY IGNORE IT (like they did). The answer is to wait until Day 2 to make your investment, so that the risk isn't prohibitive. We could have used a Dorell Scott or a Terrance Taylor or a Sammie Lee Hill. Bring some of the fits in and coach them up. What's the problem. It's only a 5th, you aren't going to get killed if he doesn't work out. They didn't even try. That's the biggest indictment on them. They didn't even try. They sat there with their ***** in their hands doing nothing. If they really believe that they can line up Peterson, Powell/Fields and Thomas and hope to keep people off LBs, then they're going to get a rude awakening. And no one's going to cut them any slack. Because they could have had SOMETHING. It might not have been perfect, but it would have been something to build on, it would have been a rotation and some players to work with.

As it stands, they didn't do jack ****.
Excellent post.

It's fine to maintain we ignored positional picks and drafted for the BPA but who in their right mind believes that when it comes to our 2nd round blocking TE that he was going to be taken by any other team in the league that high? That had to be a reach they knew they were taking.

barryr
04-27-2009, 10:27 AM
McDaniels' plan makes too much since for his detractors. They want to bitch about anything. You darn well if they had taken a DL in the 2nd round, they'd be pissing and moaning they took the wrong one. Their act is old. If so upset, then go root for the Bears or some other team. The irrational ranting make them look extremely stupid.

tsiguy96
04-27-2009, 10:49 AM
Excellent post.

It's fine to maintain we ignored positional picks and drafted for the BPA but who in their right mind believes that when it comes to our 2nd round blocking TE that he was going to be taken by any other team in the league that high? That had to be a reach they knew they were taking.

he had multiple other visits in the weeks leading up to the draft and was a projected 3rd rounder by mcdaniels. when other candidates started coming off his board he had to make a move to get a guy he wanted in case he wasnt there. we lost two thirds but gained that 2nd and 4th so its not a huge deal.

Bronx33
04-27-2009, 10:57 AM
But if you're standing in a puddle and looking into a clear blue sky, it's probably safe to say the storm has already passed and it's gonna be a nice day.


The beef prefers to wallow in self pity and negativity so don't go opening windows and letting any sunshine in.

broncobum6162
04-27-2009, 11:21 AM
I picked up on this nickname for the Broncos this year from a DPO article yesterday. HOODIE AND THE BLUEFISH LOL
Taken from the denver post online, pretty much sums up how I feel about this entire fiasco

"McHoodie to Hoodie, Come in Hoodie"
"Hoodie Here. What is the status of operation 'Destroy Rivals'?"
"All is going as planned, sir. We have traded away the franchise quarterback. The receiving TE is soon to follow. We have traded away a probable Top-10 pick next year for a 2nd rounder. I have spent the remainder of the picks on players that were rated as lower round picks or as FAs."
"Excellent. Bailey will be retired in 3 years, and then the decimation will be complete."
"Yes, sir. The only hurdle was the back Moreno. Eyes were upon me during the first pick, so I was forced to take someone talented, but don't forget sir that I already have 6 running backs, so I was very careful to pick a position where we have no need."
"Well done McHoodie. You are tearing apart our rival's team even quicker than Mangini."
"Thank you sir. McHoodie out." http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2007/1004/20071004_024617_face_blank.gif (http://neighbors.denverpost.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=13483)
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colonelbeef
04-27-2009, 12:32 PM
This team is already better than last. Good enough for me.

How's that phone Shanny?

Just ringin' off the hook I bet.Hilarious!

how is this team better than last year? you predicting a winning record here?

Shanahan could have any job he wants in the NFL outside of New England and Pittsburgh, maybe a few other one hit wonders that made the playoffs last year.

colonelbeef
04-27-2009, 12:34 PM
The beef prefers to wallow in self pity and negativity so don't go opening windows and letting any sunshine in.

Nah, I just don't like journeymen QBs.

I like a few of the players taken a lot, the offseason has been a total mess however, for reasons already run into the ground. Signing 3 backs for big dollars and then drafting a RB is ludicrous.

tsiguy96
04-27-2009, 12:37 PM
how is this team better than last year? you predicting a winning record here?

Shanahan could have any job he wants in the NFL outside of New England and Pittsburgh, maybe a few other one hit wonders that made the playoffs last year.

i disagree 100%, in fact i think there are only a few teams that really want shanahan. dallas, skins, maybe vikings (doubt it), i think the HC turnover is going to come to a crawl the next 2 years.

outdoor_miner
04-27-2009, 12:51 PM
Signing 3 backs for big dollars and then drafting a RB is ludicrous.

Those backs were not signed for big guaranteed money, and are not marquee signings. They are depth. Besides, it's not your money. Why do you care if the Broncos waste a million dollars on what will essentially amount to a backup plan that was never needed? I believe they wanted to have a healthy stable of backs in case they didn't draft one, which was a distinct possibility, as we've found out that Raji/Jackson were their two primary targets...

Basically, all the Moreno pick means is that we will probably not keep one of the backs that was signed. Who cares if Buckhalter, Arrington, or Jordan gets cut? In the process, we get a "franchise" back. Good enough for me.

Broncomutt
04-27-2009, 02:48 PM
Shanahan could have any job he wants in the NFL outside of New England and Pittsburgh, maybe a few other one hit wonders that made the playoffs last year.

I can respect your opinion beef, but I really disagree. No team looking for a coach with substance will take Shanny. Maybe Dallas, who's just looking for a figurehead, but nobody that wants a productive, inventive coach.


Shanny went on television and during an interview admitted he can't even use email. Two mistakes. First, being so out of touch you can't type and then hit the SEND button (seriously wtf?). Second, frickin' admitting it to the press in a televised interview!! :kiddingme Yeah, he'd better hook up with "The Video Professor" before his next interview!


Shanny was so out of touch, he didn't even see the biggest decision in Broncoland during the past 12 years, his very own dismissal, coming. I think he's still waiting on the Happy Meal he thought Pat was going to buy him.


Look at the absolutely abysmal state he left our defense and special teams in. Before the draft there was an article on the 5 best and 5 worst drafters (coach/GM) and Shanny was the only "currently unemployed" mofo to make that list.


Through the whole Cutler/McDaniels we heard an opinion from everyone. Everyone except Shanny. Maybe the one guy who knew Cutler best, and he didn't make a squeak. This is purely conjecture on my part, but I believe it's because he's so worn down by his tenure in the NFL he didn't have the heart or energy to weigh in.


Remember 1989? If not, I sure do. Shanny was unceremoniously dumped after 4 games by Al Davis. Shanny was as pissed as he's ever been and used that to fuel and motivate a rise to the top that netted him 3 Super Bowl rings, and was a lord over 2 of the more prolific offenses I have ever seen. The Shanny/Davis fued was always about more than money. Where is that drive now? Where is that fury to prove Pat was wrong? I just don't see it. Truth is Shanny has nothing left to prove. He knows it and I know it. Good for him. Rest old man, you earned it.


Lastly, he just built a huge mansion and is getting paid to just sit in it and feed his cat all day. I don't think he's going to leave it for NY or Washington or San Diego...or even Dallas.


I understand the loyalty to Shanahan, he brought us something nobody else ever has. But c'mon, you don't hear Dolphin fans worried about where Shula is gonna turn up next.

Bronco fans feel so confident he'll get another job just because he won 2 Super Bowls eleven years ago. I got 3 words for ya': eleven years ago!