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lex
04-26-2009, 11:29 AM
I watch a lot of SEC as Im a Florida Gator fan. The best run Ive ever seen from Knowshon Moreno that demonstrates what he's about as a runner was the one he had against South Carolina, which was only a 3 or 4 yard touchdown but it shows strength, balance, cutting ability, and the ability to get skinny all on one play. I couldnt find that one play but its at the 24 second mark in this video.

http://uga.fandome.com/video/104082/No-2-Georgia-Hangs-On-To-Beat-South-Carolina-14-7/

cmhargrove
04-26-2009, 11:32 AM
I don't know about a "defining moment," but i'm pretty pumped about having a playmaker in the backfield again. We need points.

lex
04-26-2009, 11:41 AM
I don't know about a "defining moment," but i'm pretty pumped about having a playmaker in the backfield again. We need points.
I said defining run. Get it right. Im just trying to convince myself to like this pick.

cmhargrove
04-26-2009, 12:05 PM
I said defining run. Get it right. Im just trying to convince myself to like this pick.

I love it Lex. Let me write this down d.e.f.i.n.i.n.g.. Ok, got it...

Gcver2ver3
04-26-2009, 12:06 PM
Knowshon Moreno = Thurman Thomas...

Gort
04-26-2009, 01:59 PM
wtf kind of name is Knowshon? seriously? who in the world comes up with dumb names like this for their kids. the nurse at the hospital should have just written in George or David or Jose or whatever and spared this kid a lifetime of hassle. and now we as Broncos fans have to get used of calling somebody Knowshon...? well, i'm not going to do it. his name as far as i'm concerned is Bruce, to avoid any confusion. Bruce Moreno. there's my old man rant of the day.

Bruce Moreno. RB, Georgia.

Broncosfreak_56
04-26-2009, 02:04 PM
wtf kind of name is Knowshon? seriously? who in the world comes up with dumb names like this for their kids. the nurse at the hospital should have just written in George or David or Jose or whatever and spared this kid a lifetime of hassle. and now we as Broncos fans have to get used of calling somebody Knowshon...? well, i'm not going to do it. his name as far as i'm concerned is Bruce, to avoid any confusion. Bruce Moreno. there's my old man rant of the day.

Bruce Moreno. RB, Georgia.

Destiny might have played a part in Moreno gaining a reputation as a smart running back. He explained to reporters about the origin of his unique first name.

His dad's nickname is "Knowledge."

"My mom's name is Varashon," Moreno said. "So Knowshon is a combination of both."

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broncofan7
04-26-2009, 02:38 PM
Knowshon Moreno = Thurman Thomas...

Pre draft I was saying a 'bigger Brian Westbrook'--but I like your analogy better--those Bronco fans who are upset now will be very happy during the season with our initial pick in this draft--I give MCD two thumbs up for this choice---Imagine a backfield of Cutler...oh wait.......nevermind.....

snowspot66
04-26-2009, 02:40 PM
wtf kind of name is Knowshon? seriously? who in the world comes up with dumb names like this for their kids. the nurse at the hospital should have just written in George or David or Jose or whatever and spared this kid a lifetime of hassle. and now we as Broncos fans have to get used of calling somebody Knowshon...? well, i'm not going to do it. his name as far as i'm concerned is Bruce, to avoid any confusion. Bruce Moreno. there's my old man rant of the day.

Bruce Moreno. RB, Georgia.

I have to say, Bruce Moreno sounds like a bad ass mother ****er.

Mogulseeker
04-26-2009, 02:54 PM
What's in a name? A rose by any name would smell just as sweet...

Who cares what his name is as long as he can ball?

I'd sign a quarterback named Girlie McFag to be the face of the franchise if he takes us to the Super Bowl.

lex
04-26-2009, 02:56 PM
wtf kind of name is Knowshon? seriously? who in the world comes up with dumb names like this for their kids. the nurse at the hospital should have just written in George or David or Jose or whatever and spared this kid a lifetime of hassle. and now we as Broncos fans have to get used of calling somebody Knowshon...? well, i'm not going to do it. his name as far as i'm concerned is Bruce, to avoid any confusion. Bruce Moreno. there's my old man rant of the day.

Bruce Moreno. RB, Georgia.


LOL. I like it. Wasnt there a movie called "They Call Me Bruce"?

Bronx33
04-26-2009, 03:07 PM
16. Knowshon Moreno, HB, Georgia
The NFL has a split opinion on the top two backs in this draft. Half the teams put Moreno as the No. 1 back on the board, the other half prefers Beanie Wells of Ohio State. The teams that like Wells love the home-run threat he brings to the table. He scored six career touchdowns on runs longer than 50 yards. The teams that like Moreno love the completeness of his game. He averaged 5.5 yards per career rush, caught 53 passes and will smack pass rushers in the mouth in pass protection. The one knock is his speed – 4.50 in the 40. Several NFL talent evaluators compare him to Emmitt Smith, who also had suspect speed.

Bronx33
04-26-2009, 03:08 PM
LOL. I like it. Wasnt there a movie called "They Call Me Bruce"?


Look at my face iam a oriental.

GoBroncos DownUnder
04-26-2009, 03:13 PM
The interview with Moreno on NFL Network (Day 2) was CLUTCH! I went from feeling disillusioned about the pick, to becoming a big fan of the guy!:thumbsup:

The Knowshon came across as well rounded, smart, and humble. A lot better than many the other MILLIONAIRE$ that were made in Saturday's draft!


Yeah the name thing is kinda corny, but atleast it MEANS something, unlike some DUMB-ASS who would call his kid "Bruce" just so he could be like all the other kids called Bruce, Bryce, Brandon and Bubba.:P

Mogulseeker
04-26-2009, 03:18 PM
The interview with Moreno on NFL Network (Day 2) was CLUTCH! I went from feeling disillusioned about the pick, to becoming a big fan of the guy!:thumbsup:

The Knowshon came across as well rounded, smart, and humble. A lot better than many the other MILLIONAIRE$ that were made in Saturday's draft!


Yeah the name thing is kinda corny, but atleast it MEANS something, unlike some DUMB-ASS who would call his kid "Bruce" just so he could be like all the other kids called Bruce, Bryce, Brandon and Bubba.:P

I was impressed by that Tackle the Ravens took at 29 - hella humble. He said something like "I could have been drafted in the seventh, it just matters that I'm here, and I'm going to have to prove myself over the next 10 years."

You're absolutely right though, I think Moreno has just the right attitude.

If my then-wife wants to go along, if I have a son I want to name him either 'Chadwick' or 'Thaddeus', and for girls I like Adelaide'.

GoBroncos DownUnder
04-26-2009, 03:24 PM
I was impressed by that Tackle the Ravens took at 29 - hella humble. He said something like "I could have been drafted in the seventh, it just matters that I'm here, and I'm going to have to prove myself over the next 10 years."


Yeah, Michael_Oher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Oher) sure is one HELL of a story!
"Oher's father, murdered while Oher was a junior in high school, was not involved in his upbringing. His mother was addicted to crack cocaine. ... He repeated both first grade and second grade, and attended eleven different schools during his first nine years as a student. He also alternated between time spent in various foster homes and periods with no fixed address until he was sixteen years old."

chaz
04-26-2009, 03:25 PM
I watch a lot of SEC as Im a Florida Gator fan. The best run Ive ever seen from Knowshon Moreno that demonstrates what he's about as a runner was the one he had against South Carolina, which was only a 3 or 4 yard touchdown but it shows strength, balance, cutting ability, and the ability to get skinny all on one play. I couldnt find that one play but its at the 24 second mark in this video.

http://uga.fandome.com/video/104082/No-2-Georgia-Hangs-On-To-Beat-South-Carolina-14-7/

The run is great no question. But,

How about the block Moreno puts on a defender trailing Stafford on the first play!? That is the kind of guy I want on my team...

lex
04-26-2009, 03:27 PM
The run is great no question. But,

How about the block Moreno puts on a defender trailing Stafford on the first play!? That is the kind of guy I want on my team...

**** the block. I want a guy who can run the ball as a RB first and foremost. Too much emphasis is put on blocking and catching the ball. A RBs primary job is to run the football.

Broncosfreak_56
04-26-2009, 03:29 PM
His press conference is on denverbroncos.com now. I love how humble he is, and he has the right attitude to succeed. I am excited.

Bronx33
04-26-2009, 03:30 PM
**** the block. I want a guy who can run the ball as a RB first and foremost. Too much emphasis is put on blocking and catching the ball. A RBs primary job is to run the football.


You're missing a very important point son.

GoBroncos DownUnder
04-26-2009, 03:36 PM
**** the block. I want a guy who can run the ball as a RB first and foremost. Too much emphasis is put on blocking and catching the ball. A RBs primary job is to run the football.
That's a tough thing to find, ... so, you want ANY or ALL of the RB's from the 6th and 7th rounds of the draft??:rofl:
hmmm...

Bronx33
04-26-2009, 03:42 PM
That's a tough thing to find, ... so, you want ANY or ALL of the RB's from the 6th and 7th rounds of the draft??:rofl:
hmmm...


He don't remember howard griffiths contributions obviously.

chaz
04-26-2009, 03:59 PM
**** the block. I want a guy who can run the ball as a RB first and foremost. Too much emphasis is put on blocking and catching the ball. A RBs primary job is to run the football.

LOL what a joke.

lex
04-26-2009, 04:06 PM
You're missing a very important point son.

Not really but go ahead and keep flailing away, old man.

lex
04-26-2009, 04:10 PM
That's a tough thing to find, ... so, you want ANY or ALL of the RB's from the 6th and 7th rounds of the draft??:rofl:
hmmm...

No. I want a first round running back that can run the ball like a first round talent. Thats a running backs primary job. The ability to run the ball should not be sacrificed for the sake of catching passes and blocking.

Mogulseeker
04-26-2009, 04:27 PM
Yeah, Michael_Oher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Oher) sure is one HELL of a story!
"Oher's father, murdered while Oher was a junior in high school, was not involved in his upbringing. His mother was addicted to crack cocaine. ... He repeated both first grade and second grade, and attended eleven different schools during his first nine years as a student. He also alternated between time spent in various foster homes and periods with no fixed address until he was sixteen years old."

He's going to be one hell of a tackle, too.

slyinky
04-26-2009, 05:06 PM
**** the block. I want a guy who can run the ball as a RB first and foremost. Too much emphasis is put on blocking and catching the ball. A RBs primary job is to run the football.
Blocking and catching the ball are integral parts to the RB position in McDaniels offense. If he wasn't adept in these aspects of the game he wouldn't have been drafted 12th overall by Josh. With that high of a pick he better bring more to the table then just running the ball.

lex
04-26-2009, 05:13 PM
Blocking and catching the ball are integral parts to the RB position in McDaniels offense. If he wasn't adept in these aspects of the game he wouldn't have been drafted 12th overall by Josh. With that high of a pick he better bring more to the table then just running the ball.

Blocking and catching are not as important as a RBs ability to actually run the ball.

Bronx33
04-26-2009, 05:20 PM
Blocking and catching are not as important as a RBs ability to actually run the ball.


For a well rounded attack and to open up alot more options offensively ( blocking and catching is just as important) what don't you understand?

slyinky
04-26-2009, 05:23 PM
Blocking and catching are not as important as a RBs ability to actually run the ball.
Never said it was but if a player is drafted that high he better be able to do more than just run the ball. Especially considering the demands placed on the one-back offensive scheme employed by McDaniels.

Bronx33
04-26-2009, 05:25 PM
Lex wants a RB that runs the ball and drinks gatorade (nothing else) none of that stupid thinking outside the box nonsense! meat and potatos folks!

slyinky
04-26-2009, 05:30 PM
Lex wants a RB that runs the ball and drinks gatorade (nothing else) none of that stupid thinking outside the box nonsense! meat and potatos folks!
Apparently he would have no problem spending the 12th overall pick on a RB that wouldn't see the field on 3rd down.

lex
04-26-2009, 05:50 PM
Lex wants a RB that runs the ball and drinks gatorade (nothing else) none of that stupid thinking outside the box nonsense! meat and potatos folks!

Meat and potatoes is a running back being good at running the football.


First of all, blocking is often an acquired skill. Its a skill that can be learned by RBs and often is. So, making that an emphasis in drafting a player is short sighted. If you have a RB who is a 10 out of 10 at running the ball but is a 7 and a 7 (or even a 2 and 2) at blocking and receiving, he's a better choice than a RB who is an 8 at running, blocking, and tackling. The three should not be weighted equally. Running the ball is whats most important for a running back. Its not equally important to catch the ball and block. And regarding, being a three down back....if its a third and 1, the RB who is better at running, is your better option. If its a 3rd and 7, then who cares if your running back is a good WR. Its a passing down anyway. In those cases its perfectly fine to put in a 3rd down back. Besides, the RB who is 10 at running makes it more likely youll end up with a 3rd and 1 and not a 3rd and 7.

TheDave
04-26-2009, 05:55 PM
I think I would of rather had Orakpo, but this kid could be special. Not sure I have ever seen lateral quickness and cutting ability like his.

With the way the pats offense uses the RB Moreno could put up Marshall Faulk (yes the one that played for the rams) like numbers.

Should be fun to watch...

lex
04-26-2009, 05:59 PM
I think I would of rather had Orakpo, but this kid could be special. Not sure I have ever seen lateral quickness and cutting ability like his.

With the way the pats offense uses the RB Moreno could put up Marshall Faulk (yes the one that played for the rams) like numbers.

Should be fun to watch...


Id rather have Terrell Davis type numbers. Im not at all happy with comparisons to pass happy offenses. Marshall Faulk was a great RB and all, but I have a much greated appreciation for guys who were predominantly runners.

GoBroncos DownUnder
04-26-2009, 06:03 PM
Blocking and catching are not as important as a RBs ability to actually run the ball.
... Making 6000+ posts are not as important as a person's ability to actually understand the game of football! ;)

randomtask
04-26-2009, 06:03 PM
I'm not sure if anyone's made this comparison yet, but I think Moreno's fairly similar to Curtis Martin. He might not have the greatest top-end speed or weight, But easily makes up for this in excellent agility, vision, elusiveness, and receiving ability. If you look at their runs, you can see some similarities, though Moreno looks to have better moves.

Moreno:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5Tvu9Cx9PQ

Martin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3XOcreqyl0

Edit: I really like the Thurman Thomas comparisons also.

TheDave
04-26-2009, 06:04 PM
Id rather have Terrell Davis type numbers. Im not at all happy with comparisons to pass happy offenses. Marshall Faulk was a great RB and all, but I have a much greated appreciation for guys who were predominantly runners.

and he might be used that way... But... judging by what I have seen from McKidd and the Pats I think his "All Purpose Yards" will be key to our sucess.

barryr
04-26-2009, 06:06 PM
Only the bozos think a RB only needs to be able to run the ball and nothing else. Those are the RB's that don't play half the game, but the Broncos should take such a RB with the #12 pick? That and then bitch and complain because they don't draft another Carlos Powell in the 4th-5th round. Yet they say "McDaniels is stupid." Like what do you call that idiocy?

lex
04-26-2009, 06:09 PM
... Making 6000+ posts are not as important as a person's ability to actually understand the game of football! ;)

I said nothing of your post count. Im not sure why you made that an issue. And regarding, whether or not you think I know football is of little concern to me. What youre saying is just noise but simultaneously inane.

lex
04-26-2009, 06:10 PM
Only the bozos think a RB only needs to be able to run the ball and nothing else. Those are the RB's that don't play half the game, but the Broncos should take such a RB with the #12 pick? That and then b**** and complain because they don't draft another Carlos Powell in the 4th-5th round. Yet they say "McDaniels is stupid." Like what do you call that idiocy?


You're a fool. Go find another fire to put out.

lex
04-26-2009, 06:14 PM
I'm not sure if anyone's made this comparison yet, but I think Moreno's fairly similar to Curtis Martin. He might not have the greatest top-end speed or weight, But easily makes up for this in excellent agility, vision, elusiveness, and receiving ability. If you look at their runs, you can see some similarities, though Moreno looks to have better moves.

Moreno:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5Tvu9Cx9PQ

Martin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3XOcreqyl0

Edit: I really like the Thurman Thomas comparisons also.

I think Thomas and Martin are closer comparisons but I give you credit on Martin. Its not too far off. I think Moreno runs with more wiggle than Martin or Thomas though. Its hard to come up with a dead on comparison. I think you maybe could even compare him to Terrell Davis a little bit, although Davis was stronger and more physical.

chaz
04-26-2009, 06:15 PM
Id rather have Terrell Davis type numbers. Im not at all happy with comparisons to pass happy offenses. Marshall Faulk was a great RB and all, but I have a much greated appreciation for guys who were predominantly runners.

STFU. Please. STFU. We get it. You want a runner. No one cares. Not us. Not McDaniels. No one.

lex
04-26-2009, 06:17 PM
and he might be used that way... But... judging by what I have seen from McKidd and the Pats I think his "All Purpose Yards" will be key to our sucess.


Oy vay. Gawd this pass happy offense sucks. I dont mind spreading guys out so much but I hate running out of the SG and also having the run set up by WR screens. I liked what we did in the late 90s better. It would still work if you have the personnel.

Im glad we got off that tired idea of being able to get a RB later in the draft though.

lex
04-26-2009, 06:19 PM
STFU. Please. STFU. We get it. You want a runner. No one cares. Not us. Not McDaniels. No one.


What an inane thing to say. What you said can be applied to anyone. And above anyone, it should be applied to you. But I like how you make it seems like Il Duce has made you his sex slave by concerning yourself with what he cares about.

BTW, he should care about not being too pass happy. NE lost a SB because of his folly.

Bronx33
04-26-2009, 06:20 PM
I like runningbacks with two legs those one legged running backs just can cut to take advantage of those open lanes. i know i know that's pretty unfair to singleout one legged running backs like that but thats just how i feel.

TheDave
04-26-2009, 06:25 PM
Oy vay. Gawd this pass happy offense sucks. I dont mind spreading guys out so much but I hate running out of the SG and also having the run set up by WR screens. I liked what we did in the late 90s better. It would still work if you have the personnel.

Im glad we got off that tired idea of being able to get a RB later in the draft though.


Depends on wether or not it works. If we score 400+ pts this season and win some games... everyone will be just fine with it.

Keep this in mind, We might resemble a spread offense more them most other teams, but we won't abandon the traditional 2 tight end power formations when we need to pick up short yardage. Hillis and Moreno are pretty good compliments to each other.

The fact that Soooo many college programs are running it with success will filter more and more of these types of players into the NFL.

lex
04-26-2009, 06:29 PM
Depends on wether or not it works. If we score 400+ pts this season and win some games... everyone will be just fine with it.

Keep this in mind, We might resemble a spread offense more them most other teams, but we won't abandon the traditional 2 tight end power formations when we need to pick up short yardage. Hillis and Moreno are pretty good compliments to each other.



Yeah, I said at the outset that Moreno is a good player. I would have liked a first round RB to have more speed but the guy has cutting ability that would lead to longer runs that a lot of fast RBs wouldnt be able to pull off.

randomtask
04-26-2009, 06:33 PM
Meat and potatoes is a running back being good at running the football.


First of all, blocking is often an acquired skill. Its a skill that can be learned by RBs and often is. So, making that an emphasis in drafting a player is short sighted. If you have a RB who is a 10 out of 10 at running the ball but is a 7 and a 7 (or even a 2 and 2) at blocking and receiving, he's a better choice than a RB who is an 8 at running, blocking, and tackling. The three should not be weighted equally. Running the ball is whats most important for a running back. Its not equally important to catch the ball and block. And regarding, being a three down back....if its a third and 1, the RB who is better at running, is your better option. If its a 3rd and 7, then who cares if your running back is a good WR. Its a passing down anyway. In those cases its perfectly fine to put in a 3rd down back. Besides, the RB who is 10 at running makes it more likely youll end up with a 3rd and 1 and not a 3rd and 7.

One thing you may be forgetting, lex, is durability. Moreno's been durable his entire career, and his shiftiness allows him to avoid the big hit. Having a 10 at running the ball isn't going to help the team if the runner is out of the lineup 6 games or running at 50%. Besides, in the NFL vision is the most important quality in a RB's ability to run the ball, and Moreno's got that in excess.

lex
04-26-2009, 06:45 PM
One thing you may be forgetting, lex, is durability. Moreno's been durable his entire career, and his shiftiness allows him to avoid the big hit. Having a 10 at running the ball isn't going to help the team if the runner is out of the lineup 6 games or running at 50%. Besides, in the NFL vision is the most important quality in a RB's ability to run the ball, and Moreno's got that in excess.


No, Im aware of that although I havent mentioned it. You make a good point with this though. FWIW, Im not saying Moreno isnt a 10 and Im not saying he is an 8. That was hypothetically speaking. But there are a large number of RBs who have been 10s that werent huge receiving threats. Id gladly take them. I hate taking a RB on the basis of how well they can block and catch though in a way that seemingly weighs running, receiving and blocking evenly.

randomtask
04-26-2009, 06:48 PM
No, Im aware of that although I havent mentioned it. You make a good point with this though. FWIW, Im not saying Moreno isnt a 10 and Im not saying he is an 8. That was hypothetically speaking. But there are a large number of RBs who have been 10s that werent huge receiving threats. Id gladly take them. I hate taking a RB on the basis of how well they can block and catch though in a way that seemingly weighs running, receiving and blocking evenly.

alright, cool.

Bronco Boy
04-26-2009, 08:01 PM
Any relation to Moses?

lex
04-26-2009, 09:01 PM
Any relation to Moses?

...or Omar maybe?