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prunch
04-25-2009, 08:57 PM
With a little glass is half full perspective ....



Looks like we will have good receiving threats this year out of the backfield. I think we will be a difficult team to game plan for (with full acknowledgment to our QB situation being hazy).

We will be able to come out and pass with running personnel in.

just 2 cents ..

Gcver2ver3
04-25-2009, 09:01 PM
Orton will play within McD's QB friendly scheme and this offense will be the best it's been since our hay-day...

a spread offense that has Orton in the shotgun where he's comfortable behind the best pass blocking line in football...BMarsh, Royal, Stokley, and Gaffney...and Moreno and or Hillis in the backfield...

AFC West = yea good luck with that...

DeusExManning
04-25-2009, 09:08 PM
What about Arrington, Buckhalter, Selving Young, and the other 12 running backs we already have?

Jekyll15Hyde
04-25-2009, 09:09 PM
Orton will play within McD's QB friendly scheme and this offense will be the best it's been since our hay-day...

a spread offense that has Orton in the shotgun where he's comfortable behind the best pass blocking line in football...BMarsh, Royal, Stokley, and Gaffney...and Moreno and or Hillis in the backfield...

AFC West = yea good luck with that...

Sounds just like last year to me.

And what also sounds like last year is ton of points we give up because our D isnt significantly different. Apparently McPh|_|ckstick watched the film and noticed that our secondary was the achillies heel, not the front 7.

Pretty consistent considering with what we already knew about him before today. This is the same guy that would have done Quitler for Cassell straight up.

Slade
04-25-2009, 09:11 PM
Sounds just like last year to me.

And what also sounds like last year is ton of points we give up because our D isnt significantly different. Apparently McPh|_|ckstick watched the film and noticed that our secondary was the achillies heel, not the front 7.

Pretty consistent considering with what we already knew about him before today. This is the same guy that would have done Quitler for Cassell straight up.

We are 2 postions away from being solid...NT and OLB

Most likely we will not find them in the draft. We do need to draft prospects though and sign whoever is left in FA, who can play those postions.

rastaman
04-25-2009, 09:13 PM
Orton will play within McD's QB friendly scheme and this offense will be the best it's been since our hay-day...

a spread offense that has Orton in the shotgun where he's comfortable behind the best pass blocking line in football...BMarsh, Royal, Stokley, and Gaffney...and Moreno and or Hillis in the backfield...

AFC West = yea good luck with that...

Wonder how effective Orton and McD's offense will be should the Broncos suffer another rash of season ending injuries to all the RB's in 2009???

After all, Cutler and Shanahan endured such a season.........:thumbsup:

BroncoBuff
04-25-2009, 09:13 PM
It's gonna be Chris Simms, guys ... I'm tellin' ya.

Jekyll15Hyde
04-25-2009, 09:15 PM
We are 2 postions away from being solid...NT and OLB

Most likely we will not find them in the draft. We do need to draft prospects though and sign whoever is left in FA, who can play those postions.

You mean after today where now have 1 starting DE on the roster (maybe). The game is won and lost at the LOS. ESPECIALLY in the 3-4, if your DL is not keeping the OL off the LBs, the scheme doesnt work that well.

How many quality NT are there in FA?

extralife
04-25-2009, 09:16 PM
I wonder what kind of formations we're going to be using? We now have a top pick back that can catch the ball, a fullback/halfback hybrid that can catch, two blocking TE's and a pass catching TE that likes to go vertical. I know the "Patriot Way" (as it is being sold these days, at least) likes to go 3 wide base, but I can't see that as best serving the talent on our roster. We have the ability to line up 3 TE power formations that can function as passing formations, for instance. We can put a TE in the slot. We can use Hillis as an H-back. I would like to see a lot of 2 wide base formations, with either two backs (Moreno, Hillis) or two TE's (which two would be dependant on the type of plays being run).

Basically, we have the personnel to get extremely creative on offense, as well as disguise our intentions. I wonder if McD plans to take advantage of this unique talent base, or if he will indeed run a carbon copy of what he did in NE? I really hope the former.

nickademus
04-25-2009, 09:17 PM
I actually like our O and I feel like mcd's system is built for checkdowns and bail out passes. so having a great slot, a good catching RB and a good FB/h-back along with TE's who can catch is huge. we are thin on the d-line but after KC donkey punched us and then we didnt move up to 8 to take Raji I was fine with Moreno Ayers is a pretty good questionmark forme I would have taken Orakpo. didnt like the trades in round 2 but hey now we know what Jay Cutler was worth.

Gcver2ver3
04-25-2009, 09:21 PM
Wonder how effective Orton and McD's offense will be should the Broncos suffer another rash of season ending injuries to all the RB's in 2009???

After all, Cutler and Shanahan endured such a season.........:thumbsup:

i'd imagine we'd be fine...

who knows...you don't plan for injuries, they just happen...

but at this point, our offense looks like it can be really good right now...:thumbsup:

Popps
04-25-2009, 09:23 PM
This is fantastic. I would have been fine with what we had, but now we'll have a game-breaker at RB, plus some guys who can bash you in the mouth, and still run pretty well.

Add another great blocking TE to one of the best lines in the league, and we continue the NE philosophy of setting the QB up to succeed.

Gcver2ver3
04-25-2009, 09:23 PM
Sounds just like last year to me.

And what also sounds like last year is ton of points we give up because our D isnt significantly different. Apparently McPh|_|ckstick watched the film and noticed that our secondary was the achillies heel, not the front 7.

Pretty consistent considering with what we already knew about him before today. This is the same guy that would have done Quitler for Cassell straight up.

our D can't be any worse than last year...

this year we have Champ back healthy, Ayers and Doom rushing from the edges, Dawkins, and DJ along with other solid players...

oh and a DC that actually has a clue...

all we need is a nose...not sure what we're gonna do about that...

BroncoMan4ever
04-25-2009, 09:30 PM
What about Arrington, Buckhalter, Selving Young, and the other 12 running backs we already have?

arrington will be a return man depth guy. Jordan a short yardage guy or possible cut, Buckhalter is getting ready for his spot on IR. Torain and Young should start searching the want ads

Sassy
04-25-2009, 09:48 PM
What about Arrington, Buckhalter, Selving Young, and the other 12 running backs we already have?

...and just how many did we have on IR last year.

Rabb
04-25-2009, 09:55 PM
We will have a great offense again, I think that it will be better this year with Moreno actually.

Was anyone else kind of worried (maybe still a little) that Hillis was going to be dealt after they picked up Moreno? My God I was ready to melt down.

This season will be a lot like last season, hopefully without the injuries. I really do believe Orton can get it done, especially with a solid #1 back like this. Moreno and Hillis can be outright deadly. The rest can battle for positioning and playing time for all I care and I personally don't care if I ever see Selvin Young hit the field again, I think personally he is vastly overrated here.

Rabb
04-25-2009, 09:57 PM
our D can't be any worse than last year..

funny, I said that to myself at the end of 2007

Gcver2ver3
04-25-2009, 10:01 PM
funny, I said that to myself at the end of 2007

the difference is...you were wrong...

i am right...

Rabb
04-25-2009, 10:02 PM
the difference is...you were wrong...

i am right...

believe me...I want to be wrong here also :thumbs:

Drek
04-25-2009, 10:37 PM
funny, I said that to myself at the end of 2007

Statistically they really can't get much, if any, worse.

Sounds just like last year to me.

And what also sounds like last year is ton of points we give up because our D isnt significantly different. Apparently McPh|_|ckstick watched the film and noticed that our secondary was the achillies heel, not the front 7.

Pretty consistent considering with what we already knew about him before today. This is the same guy that would have done Quitler for Cassell straight up.

Our D isn't significantly different despite more than half the starters being replaced and the entire scheme being overhauled?

And the secondary wasn't an achillies heel? We got torched week after week because our safeties couldn't do a damn thing right, and as soon as Champ went down it just spun further down the drain.

Now we have three veteran DBs who all are above average contributors paired with Champ, and a young nickel CB who has huge potential.

You could make an argument that once Champ went down the defensive backfield was our biggest weakness defensively. At least at that point Woodyard was making a few stops and Larsen got to join in for a couple weeks.

At this point we have no idea what this defense will be. It won't even be recognizable in comparison to last year's D though, that's for sure.

Archer81
04-25-2009, 10:44 PM
It was interesting to see Mayock compare Gale Sayers and Knowshon's running styles and then seeing the film. I'm going to admit i am excited as hell about that. Hillis and Moreno in the backfield? Thats a headache, because both should be accounted for in the passing game, which should open things in the middle for crossing routes for receivers and curls for the plethora of tightends we have.

:Broncos:

kamakazi_kal
04-25-2009, 11:13 PM
Orton will play within McD's QB friendly scheme and this offense will be the best it's been since our hay-day...

a spread offense that has Orton in the shotgun where he's comfortable behind the best pass blocking line in football...BMarsh, Royal, Stokley, and Gaffney...and Moreno and or Hillis in the backfield...

AFC West = yea good luck with that...

is orton dating your sister or something ..... where's all the love come from dude is a bearded ass clown.

SIMMS you spleenless wonder make it happen......... well, make it happen after any running team (oakland, SD, KC) finishes jamming the ball down our tiny DL's throat.

kamakazi_kal
04-25-2009, 11:18 PM
This is fantastic. I would have been fine with what we had, but now we'll have a game-breaker at RB, plus some guys who can bash you in the mouth, and still run pretty well.

Add another great blocking TE to one of the best lines in the league, and we continue the NE philosophy of setting the QB up to succeed.

can i just remind you and everyone else that prior to this offseason offense wasn't a huge area of NEED........ we constantly played a long field every drive with barely a hint of a consistant back. The DEFENSE was the problem the line being the most glaring ..... how has anything changed?

Gcver2ver3
04-25-2009, 11:19 PM
is orton dating your sister or something ..... where's all the love come from dude is a bearded ass clown.



did Orton SLAP your sister or something?...does he owe her child support maybe?...

you're just as down on the guy as i am high on him...

kamakazi_kal
04-25-2009, 11:24 PM
did Orton SLAP your sister or something?...does he owe her child support maybe?...

you're just as down on the guy as i am high on him...

I know your high ...... on him, but why?
I don't think he's terrible ..... I just don't think he's anything special. So why so geeked out on him?

ZONA
04-25-2009, 11:37 PM
As well all know RB depth is very important but it's now a norm around the league to have 2 starting RB's on your squad. Especially with talk about the Commish expanding the regulars season to 18 games. I've seen alot of clips of Moreno and that guy is just electric. His cuts are sharp and he runs with a squirmy style that really makes it hard for 2nd level defenders to gauge just which direction he is going next.

I think with Moreno and Hillis, we actually now have the best 1-2 punch in the league. I love how both of them run but what I really like is that both are very effective in the passing game. Both can catch but I really like Hillis in there for the pass protection plays where the back stays in to help block.

I too would have liked to have seen a DL player taken in the 1st but I've stated a few times before, it's kinda hard to gauge what you have until you've got the defensive scheme set and the players going through a full season. I really think they believe they will be better on defense just through better coaching and new scheme and adding a few players. Let these guys see how some of the players we have do and then continue to build it over the next few years.

I think the TE signing was a decent pick also. Learn under Daniel for a year or so and then he should be ready to assume that roll and we can let Daniel test the FA waters when his contract comes up and he's looking for another huge deal, which he won't get here. The DB pick is also a decent pick. You can never have enough good CB's.

Rabb
04-25-2009, 11:43 PM
can i just remind you and everyone else that prior to this offseason offense wasn't a huge area of NEED........ we constantly played a long field every drive with barely a hint of a consistant back. The DEFENSE was the problem the line being the most glaring ..... how has anything changed?

Agreed on D being the need but if anyone thinks the offense was good as is, they are a little naive.

SOME positions were fine, but when you have #2 yards and #16 scoring...some are clearly not.

Moreno can help that situation I reckon

kamakazi_kal
04-25-2009, 11:56 PM
Agreed on D being the need but if anyone thinks the offense was good as is, they are a little naive.

SOME positions were fine, but when you have #2 yards and #16 scoring...some are clearly not.

Moreno can help that situation I reckon

I like you think allot of the #16 in scoring came from a lackluster running game but jeez we signed 3 FA at that position and we have 7 returning to health.

when a team started running the ball vs. us any hope of a win up and vanished like a fart in the wind ............ just saying their are more glaring needs then say a TE or a CB for the price we paid.

SoCalBronco
04-25-2009, 11:58 PM
This is one thing I am definitely excited about. That is a monster combo. I know McD loves his 1-back spread, but he absolutely needs to incorporate 2-back sets. That has to be his base set because its his best one. Have them both in the backfield. Power and Speed. And both are a matchup nightmare for LB's in the passing game.

The worst thing McD can do is be hardheaded and stick with 3 WR/1 TE/1 RB or 4 WR/1 RB formations. This isn't NE. These are two HUGE weapons. You gotta keep them both on the field all the time.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
04-26-2009, 12:18 AM
I dub the Moreno Hillis duo: "Slash and Crash"