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UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
04-25-2009, 05:58 PM
Whattt!!!!

listopencil
04-25-2009, 06:00 PM
?

Dendave
04-25-2009, 06:01 PM
have some faith the draft is a crap shoot anyway

tesnyde
04-25-2009, 06:01 PM
There goes our qb insurance.. What the hell.

SonOfLe-loLang
04-25-2009, 06:04 PM
doesn't make much sense. That is no knock on smith, but we need FRONT SEVEN. I hope he can cover for 25 seconds

Gcver2ver3
04-25-2009, 06:04 PM
we give up a 1st round pick for a 5"9 cornerback?...

me no like...

Lestat
04-25-2009, 06:05 PM
well i guess he's trying for a Asante Samuel type CB? idk just seems interesting to deal away our 1st rounder next season for 2nd. take a QB and depend upon the bears to have a crap season.

Dagmar
04-25-2009, 06:05 PM
Have you seen the draft thread on the first page? Idiots like you cause this place to run slowly. You get that? You get that right? Of course you don't.

epicSocialism4tw
04-25-2009, 06:08 PM
Awful. Just awful.

TheChamp24
04-25-2009, 06:09 PM
Welp, trading a probably top 15 pick next year for Alphonso Smith. Nice.

robbieopperude
04-25-2009, 06:11 PM
I hope it was the Bears 1st and not our 1st since we ill be picking near the top 10 next year.

longtimer
04-25-2009, 06:11 PM
we give up a 1st round pick for a 5"9 cornerback?...

me no like...


FIRE JOSH!!!!! FIRE JOSH!!!!

WE TRADE CUTLER FOR A 5' 9" CONERBACK WHO IS GOING TO A LIABILTY ON DEFENCE EVERY TIME A TEAM PUTS A BIG WR AGAINST HIM.

robbieopperude
04-25-2009, 06:15 PM
Cutler for Orton, Ayers a pick coming up and Alphonso Smith.

This doesn't look good.

Doggcow
04-25-2009, 06:15 PM
Lol are you kidding me? We need a CB, we need to rebuild. Plus we can sign fatty FA's with reduced salaries by getting out of the first round. This was a good move, we already have a pick next year, the value is the same, probably better for the low second as opposed to a mid 1st.

barryr
04-25-2009, 06:20 PM
The players haven't even taken the field yet and already the chicken little are going at it. Wait until the players take the field to judge? Nah, makes too much sense.

WyoLaw
04-25-2009, 06:20 PM
Stupid!!

Hercules Rockefeller
04-25-2009, 06:20 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_12228231

Chicago's 1st

robbieopperude
04-25-2009, 06:20 PM
I sure hope Orton can manage games because it looks like MCMoron is trying to compete next year. I am putting us down at 7 and 9.

epicSocialism4tw
04-25-2009, 06:23 PM
Lol are you kidding me? We need a CB, we need to rebuild. Plus we can sign fatty FA's with reduced salaries by getting out of the first round. This was a good move, we already have a pick next year, the value is the same, probably better for the low second as opposed to a mid 1st.

So...let me get this straight...

Its okay to give up the possibility for acquiring more talented players for the possibliity of getting cheaper players?

That's the definition of failure in this league.

Are we now the Arizona Cardinals of old? The LA Clippers?

robbieopperude
04-25-2009, 06:25 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_12228231

Chicago's 1st

Thank god..the trade looks better now because that Bears pick will be mid to late 20's.

frerottenextelway
04-25-2009, 06:26 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_12228231

Chicago's 1st

I guess this years 37th for next years 32nd wouldn't look tooooo bad. I guess the better Chicago does the better we look in this trade.

kamakazi_kal
04-25-2009, 06:26 PM
<----------------having a complete drunkin meltdown.

We need a D line ...... so bad. so we take a back to go with the other like 10 on the roster .... bye, bye Hillis donezo.

the only thing I'm happy with is the Broncos logo right now.

Xanders and McD can eat my D!c&

barryr
04-25-2009, 06:27 PM
The Broncos obviously like Smith and didn't think he'd be around when they picked. Since 2 CB's got taken basically right after Smith, looks like they were right. Smith is a highly rated CB, so not like they took some guy who wasn't supposed to be a 2nd rounder. Some need to get a grip.

Oh, and there were many saying that Bear pick was going to mean nothing since the Bears are going to the playoffs and challenging for the Super Bowl or whatever, but now are bitching that pick is going to Seattle. Looks more like people wanting to complain no matter what happens. Go root for Cutler and the Bears.

footstepsfrom#27
04-25-2009, 06:32 PM
So how ya all liking this great new coach we got?

What an idiot.

Jekyll15Hyde
04-25-2009, 06:34 PM
just cant believe the bottom line now on the Quitler trade. Ayers, Smith, Orton and a 3rd... for a Franchise QB. We got pwned.

Trying to give Mcf***stick the benefit of the doubt but it is grows harder and harder with each action he makes

epicSocialism4tw
04-25-2009, 06:36 PM
The Broncos obviously like Smith and didn't think he'd be around when they picked. Since 2 CB's got taken basically right after Smith, looks like they were right. Smith is a highly rated CB, so not like they took some guy who wasn't supposed to be a 2nd rounder. Some need to get a grip.

Oh, and there were many saying that Bear pick was going to mean nothing since the Bears are going to the playoffs and challenging for the Super Bowl or whatever, but now are b****ing that pick is going to Seattle. Looks more like people wanting to complain no matter what happens. Go root for Cutler and the Bears.


I dont think it has anything to do with loyalty, Barry.

I think that Broncos fans have seen this young man make questionable decisions one after the next since he became coach.

After trading Cutler for picks, McD throws one of the first round picks at a second round DB when everyone and their dog knows that the Broncos need front seven players.

He's applying his own noose.

epicSocialism4tw
04-25-2009, 06:39 PM
just cant believe the bottom line now on the Quitler trade. Ayers, Smith, Orton and a 3rd... for a Franchise QB. We got pwned.


Pretty much.

We handed the franchise to a guy who looks more and more like an egomaniacal child.

Popps
04-25-2009, 06:41 PM
Cutler wasn't a franchise QB. He may be some day, but he was nothing near a franchise QB. 7 more TDs than INTs and blowing the biggest game of the season with several chances to win is not a "franchise" anything.

Paladin
04-25-2009, 06:44 PM
The Jay Quitler trade just got really screwy. The Broncos dump a midget CB and grab a midget cb? The only think I can think of is that Smith was picked to be a nickel back and reeturn guy. Not, I think, the finest moment in Drafting history......

barryr
04-25-2009, 06:45 PM
I dont think it has anything to do with loyalty, Barry.

I think that Broncos fans have seen this young man make questionable decisions one after the next since he became coach.

After trading Cutler for picks, McD throws one of the first round picks at a second round DB when everyone and their dog knows that the Broncos need front seven players.

He's applying his own noose.

It's you and others who don't get the simply concept that maybe teams draft who they think is the best player on the board. Just because they need a DL doesn't mean they should draft what they feel is a reach and not take a CB in this situation who they like better just to satisfy fans who know less about the players than they do.

Obviously Smith was high on their draft board. Maybe he wasn't high on your board, but obviously your opinion doesn't matter to them.

You'd and others would rather the Broncos take a player who may not be that high on their board, but fills a position of need. Someone who may not be that good, but hey, the fans will be happy. That's the crap that Shanahan used to do on the defensive side of the ball and we see where that got them.

It's possible, just possible they like Smith much more at CB than they liked any DL around that pick. That's hardly unreasonable.

You and others would rather the Broncos reach for a player they may not like as much just to fill a spot. You would be happy they did that? Come on.

Whether Smith will be really good, I don't know, but I at least will give him a chance to play before calling him a bad pick.

xznsocal
04-25-2009, 06:46 PM
Ayers and Smith look like starters at DE and CB.

AbileneBroncoFan
04-25-2009, 06:48 PM
The Broncos obviously like Smith and didn't think he'd be around when they picked. Since 2 CB's got taken basically right after Smith, looks like they were right. Smith is a highly rated CB, so not like they took some guy who wasn't supposed to be a 2nd rounder. Some need to get a grip.

Oh, and there were many saying that Bear pick was going to mean nothing since the Bears are going to the playoffs and challenging for the Super Bowl or whatever, but now are b****ing that pick is going to Seattle. Looks more like people wanting to complain no matter what happens. Go root for Cutler and the Bears.

Amen. We need youth at corner, and while I would have preferred Maualuga or Brown, this kid looks like he can be a playmaker.

I was hoping Brown or Barwin would fall to us at 48, but it didn't happen. It'll be interesting to see where we go from here.

As for the 1st, I never like trading them, especially when we don't know how many needs we'll have next year, but Chicago's pick will probably be lower than ours, so we'll still have a top 15 pick next year in all likelihood. If we need a QB, Colt McCoy will be there. Or we can go safety. We'll still be in position to address our biggest problem. If we don't have a top 15 pick, don't complain because it means McDaniels did his job and we had a successful season.

We just picked up Darcel McBath, who is another playmaker. He isn't the most well known of the safety prospects, but this guy has a ton of experience and is a playmaker. I have to think we were expecting Brace or Brown to be available at 48, but this isn't a bad fallback. People need to chill out and see how this plays out before we run McDaniels out of town. I know a lot of people were pissed with a certain pick we made last year by the name of Eddie Royal.

chex
04-25-2009, 06:52 PM
From what I've read, the only knock on the kid is he's 5'9". Everything I've mentions his ballhawking and playmaking skills. A playmaker on defense. Scour the 'net and you'll see this kid was rated highly, a borderline 1st rounder. Ayers will be the best defensive player out of this draft in 3 years, according to Mayock, and Moreno was arguably the top back in this draft, so how 'bout we see how these guys do first before we climb on rooftops and make references to anal sex. mmkay?

AbileneBroncoFan
04-25-2009, 07:00 PM
It's you and others who don't get the simply concept that maybe teams draft who they think is the best player on the board. Just because they need a DL doesn't mean they should draft what they feel is a reach and not take a CB in this situation who they like better just to satisfy fans who know less about the players than they do.

Obviously Smith was high on their draft board. Maybe he wasn't high on your board, but obviously your opinion doesn't matter to them.

You'd and others would rather the Broncos take a player who may not be that high on their board, but fills a position of need. Someone who may not be that good, but hey, the fans will be happy. That's the crap that Shanahan used to do on the defensive side of the ball and we see where that got them.

It's possible, just possible they like Smith much more at CB than they liked any DL around that pick. That's hardly unreasonable.

You and others would rather the Broncos reach for a player they may not like as much just to fill a spot. You would be happy they did that? Come on.

Whether Smith will be really good, I don't know, but I at least will give him a chance to play before calling him a bad pick.

Right again. It was the "we must improve position x" mentality that got us Ashley Lelie over Ed Reed. As much as some of you hate to admit, we are adopting the Patriot way. We are getting quality football players at all positions, whether they are our greatest position of need or not. As much as many of you hate to admit it, the Patriot way has been infinitely more successful in the past 10 years than the Shanahan way. I guarantee you each of the 4 guys we've taken so far will be on the roster next year, and will see the field. That's more than we can say for many of the Shanahan defensive picks. You can debate trades and value of picks all you want, but we won't know for 3 years how good the draft really is. As much as I hate to admit it, we are not going to solve all of our problems in one draft, and certainly not in the first 2 rounds of one draft. The important thing is to get quality players with each of these picks. If there is not a quality player at a certain position, it is foolish to draft at that position anyway.

broncolife
04-25-2009, 07:03 PM
Right again. It was the "we must improve position x" mentality that got us Ashley Lelie over Ed Reed. As much as some of you hate to admit, we are adopting the Patriot way. We are getting quality football players at all positions, whether they are our greatest position of need or not. As much as many of you hate to admit it, the Patriot way has been infinitely more successful in the past 10 years than the Shanahan way. I guarantee you each of the 4 guys we've taken so far will be on the roster next year, and will see the field. That's more than we can say for many of the Shanahan defensive picks. You can debate trades and value of picks all you want, but we won't know for 3 years how good the draft really is. As much as I hate to admit it, we are not going to solve all of our problems in one draft, and certainly not in the first 2 rounds of one draft. The important thing is to get quality players with each of these picks. If there is not a quality player at a certain position, it is foolish to draft at that position anyway.

So far in this draft the patriot way has been to trade down and not trade next years first.

snowspot66
04-25-2009, 07:07 PM
We got four guys who will be starters or in get some significant playing time.

Isn't that what we needed?

We've seen what happens when we go draft defensive linemen for the sake of drafting them. We get Moss and Crowder and other underwhelming players and then miss out on the other really good options at the time of the pick. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that the reason they didn't take linemen with three of the picks is because they only saw prospects with significant flaws and high bust potential so they took the safe solid play makers. God knows we need a few of those at most positions anyway.

Hercules Rockefeller
04-25-2009, 07:09 PM
Christ, the D Post article is updated to now say they still have Chicago's 1st for next season.

Kickass trade there McDaniels, trade away a Top 5 pick for a cornerback.

epicSocialism4tw
04-25-2009, 07:10 PM
It's you and others who don't get the simply concept that maybe teams draft who they think is the best player on the board. Just because they need a DL doesn't mean they should draft what they feel is a reach and not take a CB in this situation who they like better just to satisfy fans who know less about the players than they do.

Obviously Smith was high on their draft board. Maybe he wasn't high on your board, but obviously your opinion doesn't matter to them.

You'd and others would rather the Broncos take a player who may not be that high on their board, but fills a position of need. Someone who may not be that good, but hey, the fans will be happy. That's the crap that Shanahan used to do on the defensive side of the ball and we see where that got them.

It's possible, just possible they like Smith much more at CB than they liked any DL around that pick. That's hardly unreasonable.

You and others would rather the Broncos reach for a player they may not like as much just to fill a spot. You would be happy they did that? Come on.

Whether Smith will be really good, I don't know, but I at least will give him a chance to play before calling him a bad pick.


No. It was a bad pick. There is little doubt about that.

When you trade a first round pick that you had gotten as a MAJOR piece in the Jay Cutler trade for the 5th pick in the 2nd round which you then use on a 5'9" CB who looks alot like the guy you just let go (Dre Bly), then at the very least it is an extremely poor use of resources.

The only way that it becomes a good pick is if Smith becomes better than Bly + a first round pick. In that light, it looks absolutely ludicrous.

Popps
04-25-2009, 07:19 PM
The Jay Quitler trade just got really screwy. The Broncos dump a midget CB and grab a midget cb? The only think I can think of is that Smith was picked to be a nickel back and reeturn guy. Not, I think, the finest moment in Drafting history......

I'm not crazy about small corners, or small players, for that matter. But, I was bent out of shape about taking a small WR named Royal last draft day when we had so many defensive needs.

So, give the guy a chance. I'm with you, giving up the pick to get him seems a bit much, but the staff clearly thinks this guy can be a big contributor. Plus, I believe McDaniels wants to start developing guys NOW, instead of waiting until next year.

So, in the end... we give up 15-20 draft slots for a guy we really like and can start developing now instead of in 2010. It's not the end of the world if it plays out correctly.

Paladin
04-25-2009, 07:20 PM
So far in this draft the patriot way has been to trade down and not trade next years first.

I agree.

I have no problem with the Moreno pick, if not a bit surprised. The Ayers pick fit well into my own beliefs about him, but the Smith pick is just too much of a smack down for me. That was the DENVER 1st that was traded, not the Chicago first as reported in the Post. The McBath pick was okay.

The Smith pick was for a nickel back. A midget nickel back without speed. Like a Jack Williams type. Someone likened him to Darrent Williams. And I didn't think Dwill was all that good, either.....

I am not a McD hater, and I will support the team, but right now, there are a couple of real headscratchers there. I wanted to squeeze best value from the Jay Quitler ordeal. Not sure we are seeing it yet.......

uplink
04-25-2009, 07:25 PM
McDaniels needs to win now and can't build for the future since if the broncos don't win he will be out the door in 2 to 3 years.

Drek
04-25-2009, 07:29 PM
No. It was a bad pick. There is little doubt about that.

When you trade a first round pick that you had gotten as a MAJOR piece in the Jay Cutler trade for the 5th pick in the 2nd round which you then use on a 5'9" CB who looks alot like the guy you just let go (Dre Bly), then at the very least it is an extremely poor use of resources.

The only way that it becomes a good pick is if Smith becomes better than Bly + a first round pick. In that light, it looks absolutely ludicrous.

Dre Bly was a multi-year Pro-Bowler in his prime, FYI. Just because he got old and slow here doesn't mean that a guy who compares well to him, who is still young and has wheels, doesn't have the potential to be a damn good player.

AbileneBroncoFan
04-25-2009, 07:31 PM
So far in this draft the patriot way has been to trade down and not trade next years first.

The difference is they don't have to replace the entire defense. They can win a Super Bowl with the team the way it is right now. We cannot win 8 games. We need to get as many quality players as possible at several positions, and that's exactly what we are doing.

baja
04-25-2009, 07:32 PM
So how ya all liking this great new coach we got?

What an idiot.

Ok Karnac like you know how this will turn out. This already has more potential than many Shanahan drafts. I love the 2 1's and I love the quality of the players we are getting.We trade a mid 20's pick for 37 this year because we need a D badly. Maybe Nolan likes some of the players we have.

lex
04-25-2009, 07:34 PM
It's you and others who don't get the simply concept that maybe teams draft who they think is the best player on the board. Just because they need a DL doesn't mean they should draft what they feel is a reach and not take a CB in this situation who they like better just to satisfy fans who know less about the players than they do.

Obviously Smith was high on their draft board. Maybe he wasn't high on your board, but obviously your opinion doesn't matter to them.

You'd and others would rather the Broncos take a player who may not be that high on their board, but fills a position of need. Someone who may not be that good, but hey, the fans will be happy. That's the crap that Shanahan used to do on the defensive side of the ball and we see where that got them.

It's possible, just possible they like Smith much more at CB than they liked any DL around that pick. That's hardly unreasonable.

You and others would rather the Broncos reach for a player they may not like as much just to fill a spot. You would be happy they did that? Come on.

Whether Smith will be really good, I don't know, but I at least will give him a chance to play before calling him a bad pick.

No, its not about his opinion not mattering as much as its about your blind acceptance of anything Josh does. Some people actually think for themselves and dont believe what theyre spoonfed.

TheReverend
04-25-2009, 07:37 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_12228231

Chicago's 1st

Trading Chicago's pick is acknowledging they're a better football team...

robbieopperude
04-25-2009, 07:38 PM
If we traded Denvers pick next year instead of Chicago's I am officially not buying into the Patriot way and have now decided that McMoron should be tested for IQ problems. Denver very easily could go 5 and 11 next year. There schedule is brutal. They struggle against KC in KC and they will lose both to San Diego. If Denver plays great they will only manage to go 9 and 7.

McDaniels just really screwed the pooch with that trade!

dreasher54
04-25-2009, 07:41 PM
This isnt that bad i like it. Good value apparently he is 10th in interceptions in college history. And he will get mentored by champ

summerdenver
04-25-2009, 07:52 PM
Trading Chicago's pick is acknowledging they're a better football team...

Unfortunately we gave up our own pick(possibly top 10) next year Rev.

robbieopperude
04-25-2009, 07:52 PM
This isnt that bad i like it. Good value apparently he is 10th in interceptions in college history. And he will get mentored by champ


Horrible value unless you think he is better than someone in the top 12 next year. Horrible trade if it is indeed Denvers pick. Fair trade if it is Chicago's.

summerdenver
04-25-2009, 07:58 PM
Denver very easily could go 5 and 11 next year. There schedule is brutal.

It is hard predict how teams play this year but based solely on the info available at this point (records of last year), we have the 19th toughest schedule basically below average schedule.

atlbroncos
04-25-2009, 08:41 PM
What are the names of some good defensive players that are still available for tomorrows draft? Just curious so I know who to look for...

manchambo
04-25-2009, 09:55 PM
It's you and others who don't get the simply concept that maybe teams draft who they think is the best player on the board. Just because they need a DL doesn't mean they should draft what they feel is a reach and not take a CB in this situation who they like better just to satisfy fans who know less about the players than they do.

Obviously Smith was high on their draft board. Maybe he wasn't high on your board, but obviously your opinion doesn't matter to them.

You'd and others would rather the Broncos take a player who may not be that high on their board, but fills a position of need. Someone who may not be that good, but hey, the fans will be happy. That's the crap that Shanahan used to do on the defensive side of the ball and we see where that got them.

It's possible, just possible they like Smith much more at CB than they liked any DL around that pick. That's hardly unreasonable.

You and others would rather the Broncos reach for a player they may not like as much just to fill a spot. You would be happy they did that? Come on.

Whether Smith will be really good, I don't know, but I at least will give him a chance to play before calling him a bad pick.

This is an astonishing defense of the indefensible.

So you think they shouldn't reach. Is using a top-ten pick to get a second-round, undersized CB a reach, at all? Do you think?

If they had used a 2nd round pick to pick a second round player, all of what you said would make perfect sense. But that's not what they did.

Hell, that might well be a top 5 pick. This little Napoleon may have inadvertently traded away a franchise QB for the second time since he's been here, and we haven't even played a game yet.

bpc
04-25-2009, 10:11 PM
The pick is being reported as DENVER's 1st pick by NFL Network.

That's probably a top 5 pick. ABSOLUTELY INDEFENSIBLE.

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