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SportinOne
04-25-2009, 06:39 PM
You guys dog this years draft already........Ya Shanny and crew were real wiz kids at the whole drafting part themselves.

GO BRONCOS

2006 and 2008 were GREAT GREAT drafts.

Atwater His Ass
04-25-2009, 06:41 PM
Let's be honest here. Rookie linemen are probably not going to light the world on fire and especially so in a 3-4. I



Let's be honest here. Quality DL don't normally see the light of day in FA and if they do, you overpay for them tremendously. The only way to get and sustain quality DL talent is to draft and develop it. Period.

So instead of working on that, we draft a RB, CB, S, and a 3-4 DL/OLB tweener. Awesome job.

snowspot66
04-25-2009, 06:41 PM
Hillis is a workhorse, no doubt about it.. but seriously, Moreno is a great back.. He just won't have anywhere to run with no threat of a passing game. He's great but he's not Adrian Peterson.

Dude we aren't the Bears. Orton was on pace for a Pro Bowl season before he got his ankle dinged and he didn't even have a receiver truly worthy of the title. We've got three and two TE's. We won't have the passing attack of the Saints but to assume we won't have a passing game at all is a tad bit over dramatic to say the least. Our coach is the guy who developed the offense everybody is copying. I think he'll figure out how to get the ball to Eddie and Brandon.

*edit*

Christ does anybody remember 05? We had a horribly innaccurate QB, one aging reciever, no real TE's and a good but uninspiring group of RB's. We still put up points and moved the ball.

Consider me unconcerned about the offense.

broncswin
04-25-2009, 06:42 PM
The McD jock strap (supporter) club just got a wake up call.

Really...what has this guy done to earn the right to do this to this franchise?

When did it become ok for Bronco fans to settle for almost making the playoffs. I do support our coach, because I don't want to be that team that lost a four game division lead with only four game to go.....AGAIN!

We needed change, I am not saying everything that he has done has been perfect or to my liking, but I sure as hell didn't want to sit through another 8-8 season with a pouty as QB who only knew how to hold on to his f-ing shoulder pads and pout when things weren't going his way!!

broncswin
04-25-2009, 06:43 PM
2006 and 2008 were GREAT GREAT drafts.

HOLLY SH*T you just picked two outta thirteen years...thats a great average:thumbsup:

socalorado
04-25-2009, 06:49 PM
Let's be honest here. Quality DL don't normally see the light of day in FA and if they do, you overpay for them tremendously. The only way to get and sustain quality DL talent is to draft and develop it. Period.

So instead of working on that, we draft a RB, CB, S, and a 3-4 DL/OLB tweener. Awesome job.

I was actually dealing with the bad taste in my mouth from the 1st round really well.
I like Moreno, and lets face it, hes gonna be good in DEN.
I like Ayers too. And If Mayock says he will be the best player from this draft, then hey i gotta go with his opinion. Plus DEN desperately needed a JOKER for Nolans syatem.
Its the rest of the draft that is just a big WTF?!?!?!?

ORANGEJARHEAD
04-25-2009, 06:50 PM
Let's be honest here. Quality DL don't normally see the light of day in FA and if they do, you overpay for them tremendously. The only way to get and sustain quality DL talent is to draft and develop it. Period.

So instead of working on that, we draft a RB, CB, S, and a 3-4 DL/OLB tweener. Awesome job.

Rite on! Ziggy Hood woulda been nice

Punisher
04-25-2009, 06:51 PM
WE traded in the 2nd

Harvitz81
04-25-2009, 06:51 PM
We traded up again...

tesnyde
04-25-2009, 06:52 PM
Forcing people to pass on you when you can't get any QB pressure sure has worked out for us in the past huh.

Agree 100%, im just trying to reconcile this draft. I really thought we would go stout on the d line and keep the 2 1st next year as insurance next tera to either fill holes or have insurance to make a move for bradford or mccoy if simple simms and Ohno could only cut cheese and not mustard. Im completely amiss with our moves other than Ayers right now. We have Hillis at RB and no D- line. Sure, we are old in the secondary with our existings players and free agent signings, but good this coming year. I'm at loss with our 3 out of 4 of picks and our future. I thought we could solve the dline this year and go qb and/or secondarynext.

frerottenextelway
04-25-2009, 06:53 PM
We traded up again...

Did we get another corner?!?

WABronco
04-25-2009, 06:54 PM
Oh shiiiiiz.

Liquid magma meltdown mode?

LOL! A TE!

frerottenextelway
04-25-2009, 06:54 PM
we traded up for a blocking TE? Don't we have one of those?

Killericon
04-25-2009, 06:54 PM
That was comical. My reaction is amusement.

BroncoLifer
04-25-2009, 06:54 PM
We traded up again...

2011 1st rounder?

Atwater His Ass
04-25-2009, 06:54 PM
I was actually dealing with the bad taste in my mouth from the 1st round really well.
I like Moreno, and lets face it, hes gonna be good in DEN.
I like Ayers too. And If Mayock says he will be the best player from this draft, then hey i gotta go with his opinion. Plus DEN desperately needed a JOKER for Nolans syatem.
Its the rest of the draft that is just a big WTF?!?!?!?

I know stuff gets passed over in threads like this, but I've already stated my opinions on Moreno and Ayers. Basically, although I was a little miffed at taking Moreno at 12, I get it and I do think Ayers (my favorite pick thus far) will be a good player for us and fills a need.

But again, I really really have to question trading a first round pick to move up to take a CB. Then following that up with a S pick. The Smith pick especially, because we could have had the guy I really wanted in Brace or even Rey at that point would have made more sense to me.

Punisher
04-25-2009, 06:55 PM
A younger Daniel Graham

SportinOne
04-25-2009, 06:55 PM
HOLLY SH*T you just picked two outta thirteen years...thats a great average:thumbsup:

I'm talking recently, stuff that is relevant. When you are evaluating coaches and thinking about making changes you don't look 13 years into the past..

ORANGEJARHEAD
04-25-2009, 06:55 PM
Oh my god, they picked a tight end. What the hell are they doin'?

lazarus4444
04-25-2009, 06:55 PM
Oh no, continue commencing meltdown, lol.

tsiguy96
04-25-2009, 06:57 PM
who is that and why did they pick him?

Atwater His Ass
04-25-2009, 06:58 PM
just keeps getting better and better

WABronco
04-25-2009, 06:59 PM
That was comical. My reaction is amusement.

Heh same here.

That was a good chuckle.

PFW calls him a big, strong high character player who would fit in a run offense similar to that of the Pats or Dolphins.

OMG hopefully we didn't give up our other no.1! /wristssss

lazarus4444
04-25-2009, 07:00 PM
Never heard of him, his stats look like he's a blocking TE...

Punisher
04-25-2009, 07:00 PM
We pick Richard Quinn hes A younger Daniel Graham.This is a sign that Sheff will be traded.

tesnyde
04-25-2009, 07:00 PM
McD happy meal got quinn...cover your twig and berries. Oh nevermind he screwed up again and got the wrong Quinn.

lazarus4444
04-25-2009, 07:01 PM
Never heard of him, his stats look like he's a blocking TE...

Overview
With only 12 career receptions for 124 yards and two touchdowns, Quinn's value lies in his blocking. Nicknamed "Big Rich," he plays up to his moniker, giving the Tar Heels essentially another offensive tackle at the line of scrimmage. With many of today's NFL offenses preferring receiving specialists at tight end, Quinn could still be waiting to hear his name called late in the draft. However, there are always teams on the lookout for physical run blockers capable of sneaking off the line of scrimmage for short-yardage passes. In this capacity, Quinn could find a niche in the pros. Had an arm span of 33 1/2 inches and a hand span of 9 1/2 inches at the combine.

High School
Ranked the No. 15 tight end in the country by Rivals.com ... Member of SuperPrep's All-Midwest Team ... Two-time all-conference and all-district selection ... Led Maple Heights to a 10-2 record and a berth in the playoffs as a senior ... Team offensive MVP ... Had 32 catches for 468 yards and 10 touchdowns as a senior ... Caught 12 passes for 254 yards and one touchdown as a junior ... Coached by Jeff Rotsky ... Played two seasons at Butler High School in Huntsville, Ala., before moving to Ohio during his sophomore year ... Also played basketball and was the top rebounder in the conference in 2004.


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socalorado
04-25-2009, 07:02 PM
I know stuff gets passed over in threads like this, but I've already stated my opinions on Moreno and Ayers. Basically, although I was a little miffed at taking Moreno at 12, I get it and I do think Ayers (my favorite pick thus far) will be a good player for us and fills a need.

But again, I really really have to question trading a first round pick to move up to take a CB. Then following that up with a S pick. The Smith pick especially, because we could have had the guy I really wanted in Brace or even Rey at that point would have made more sense to me.

And now DEN moves back up to get another TE!?!?
Em kay.
I am really, really hoping that MCD is working a deal with someone for Sheffler. He must be.
Hopefully a deal that brings DEN a NT like Shaun Rogers. Somebody that can start on the d-line! Maybe theres 2010 picks involved. And what, pray tell, did DEN give up to move up? Was it Sheffler?!?!? :~ohyah!:

Harvitz81
04-25-2009, 07:02 PM
Anyone know what we gave up??

go_broncos
04-25-2009, 07:05 PM
Anyone know what we gave up??

2010 1st round pick

tsiguy96
04-25-2009, 07:06 PM
thats such a weird pick. i hope this stuff works out, but even me, the super optimist, cant help but wonder what the ultimate goal is here with picks like quinn. what did we give up? i hope nothing more than our 3rd and 6th

Killericon
04-25-2009, 07:06 PM
Steelers receive:
2009 third-round pick (No. 79)
2009 third-round pick (No. 84 -- originally from Chicago)

Broncos receive:
2009 second-round pick (No. 64): TE Richard Quinn
2009 fourth-round pick (No. 132)

tesnyde
04-25-2009, 07:08 PM
I hope Spider doesn't wrecks his rig when he hears about this cr*p. Keep him your prayers.

lex
04-25-2009, 07:08 PM
And now DEN moves back up to get another TE!?!?
Em kay.
I am really, really hoping that MCD is working a deal with someone for Sheffler. He must be.
Hopefully a deal that brings DEN a NT like Shaun Rogers. Somebody that can start on the d-line! Maybe theres 2010 picks involved. And what, pray tell, did DEN give up to move up? Was it Sheffler?!?!? :~ohyah!:

Not likely. Pittsburgh already has Miller and Spaeth.

frerottenextelway
04-25-2009, 07:09 PM
We pick Richard Quinn hes A younger Daniel Graham.This is a sign that Sheff will be traded.

Who's are receiving Tight End then?

MABroncoFan
04-25-2009, 07:09 PM
Anyone know what we gave up??

Looks like both our 3rds for Quinn and Pittsburgh's late 4th.

frerottenextelway
04-25-2009, 07:10 PM
Steelers receive:
2009 third-round pick (No. 79)
2009 third-round pick (No. 84 -- originally from Chicago)

Broncos receive:
2009 second-round pick (No. 64): TE Richard Quinn
2009 fourth-round pick (No. 132)

Pretty even trade, pick position wise. The actual pick remains questionable. Was a blocking TE really our biggest need though?

Ray Finkle
04-25-2009, 07:10 PM
Steelers receive:
2009 third-round pick (No. 79)
2009 third-round pick (No. 84 -- originally from Chicago)

Broncos receive:
2009 second-round pick (No. 64): TE Richard Quinn
2009 fourth-round pick (No. 132)

I am going to throw up.....

lazarus4444
04-25-2009, 07:10 PM
I'll admit this one is puzzling to me. We had three 3rd round picks to get this guy. McDaniels must have thought he'd be going off the board before our first 3rd round pick, interesting. To be honest though, we don't know what was going on in the war room so this one is looking iffy but i like the rest of the draft so far. Quinn is the only ? in my eyes so far.

GoBroncos84
04-25-2009, 07:12 PM
Steelers receive:
2009 third-round pick (No. 79)
2009 third-round pick (No. 84 -- originally from Chicago)

Broncos receive:
2009 second-round pick (No. 64): TE Richard Quinn
2009 fourth-round pick (No. 132)

gave up both thirds to move up fifteen spots for a blocking tight end... I gotta think he would have been there at 79. I like the players we have drafted, but I don't like what we gave up for Smith and Quinn. And I think Quinn and McBath were reaches and could have been had later. Hopefully they prove me wrong. I was thinking Terrence Taylor, Jarron Gilbert, Samie Lee Hill, and some other D-Lineman could be had with those thirds. We really have to address the line. Can't say I understand that

s0phr0syne
04-25-2009, 07:13 PM
Haven't seen this mentioned, but to me this is clearly a reach, but it's done for a REASON: to me this move is the prelude to trading out Sheffler. You finish Day 1 by securing who they want, and now they have the ability to field a lot of different offers and weigh their options before trading him tomorrow.

Kind of sad to see Sheffler go, but I don't see why else we make the trade to get Quinn.

STBumpkin
04-25-2009, 07:14 PM
Well, one of our problems was red zone. Another blocking TE to pair with Dan Graham should help that. This is the first one I shake my head at, but I'll wait to see. We have no idea what will happen this season. Pretty exciting, we could be 4-12 or 12-4. More likely 7-9 or 9-7.

WyoLaw
04-25-2009, 07:17 PM
Something tells me Shefler is going to be traded tonight. To someone like the Browns. No reason to have all these TE's.

socalorado
04-25-2009, 07:19 PM
Haven't seen this mentioned, but to me this is clearly a reach, but it's done for a REASON: to me this move is the prelude to trading out Sheffler. You finish Day 1 by securing who they want, and now they have the ability to field a lot of different offers and weigh their options before trading him tomorrow.

Kind of sad to see Sheffler go, but I don't see why else we make the trade to get Quinn.

Yeah, the only reason i see this happening, is because they are fielding 3rd round offers for Sheffler. At least that what they BETTER be doing!!

tesnyde
04-25-2009, 07:24 PM
Well, one of our problems was red zone. Another blocking TE to pair with Dan Graham should help that. This is the first one I shake my head at, but I'll wait to see. We have no idea what will happen this season. Pretty exciting, we could be 4-12 or 12-4. More likely 7-9 or 9-7.

Without a D-line and our schedule, it will be tough to have 7 wins. We face some goods QBs and RBs.

Killericon
04-25-2009, 07:30 PM
So, uh, does anyone else think that Graham is suddenly a possible cap casualty?

broncogary
04-25-2009, 07:35 PM
Yeah, the only reason i see this happening, is because they are fielding 3rd round offers for Sheffler. At least that what they BETTER be doing!!

Maybe McD wanted to sleep in late tomorrow morning. :wiggle:

RMT
04-25-2009, 07:43 PM
You forgot to mention dumping our borderline HOF coach.

and FAR from being a HOF general manager, which was Shanahan's undoing.

MABroncoFan
04-25-2009, 07:46 PM
That last pick is the only one I didn't really understand. Not that they picked a good blocking TE, but that they traded both 3rd rounders to do it. I haven't read much about Quinn, but I didn't think he was expected to go that early - before their 3rd round picks came around. I also have to assume Scheffler is going to go for a d-lineman or a 3rd round pick or something.

I was a little surprised by Moreno, thinking we were going RB by committee after the 3 FA signings. But I like the pick - we dealt a franchise QB, so hopefully now we can build the offense around a franchise RB.

I thought we'd take Ayers at 12, so I like getting him at 18. I'm hearing conflicting things on him - are they going to bulk him up to 290 to play DE, or will he play OLB?

I can understand taking Smith - we have inexperienced depth at CB behind Champ and Goodman, and Smith sounds like a good one ... plus could be a good kick returner also. Not to mention both starters are into their 30s and we need to develop future starters. Little surprised we traded our 1st rounder next year to get him ... I would think Chicago's would be expected to be a lower pick and we'd deal that instead. Though the coaches I'm sure aren't planning on doing worse than the Bears and think their pick they dealt will be the lower of the 2.

I can also understand McBath - no experienced depth behind the starters, plus they are also both over 30 so we need young guys to be ready to start in the not too distant future.

Maybe they passed on Orakpo and E. Brown because they feel Dumervil, Moss, Crowder and Reid ... at least a couple of them ... can give them the same value at OLB. All converted DEs in a 4-3 Defense.

rovolution
04-25-2009, 07:55 PM
and FAR from being a HOF general manager, which was Shanahan's undoing.

IF Peyton Hillis doesnt tear his hamstring in that KC game Mike Shanahan would be the man running Denvers draft today after his 8th playoff appearance as Broncos head coach.


its a matter of inches in this league. My lord think about how different today would have been had Dwyane Bowe held on to a freaking onside kick.

rastaman
04-25-2009, 07:57 PM
All of you guys who are pissed about what is going on, I totally understand. Great points have been made about how we wont make the playoffs next year with all of the sh*tty changes that have happened. We were much better off the last three years............OH SH*T THATS RIGHT, WE DIDN'T F-ING MAKE THE PLAYOFFS DURING THOSE YEARS EITHER!!


You guys dog this years draft already........Ya Shanny and crew were real wiz kids at the whole drafting part themselves.

GO BRONCOS

Way to be a Bowlen McD apologist! Just Remember Shanny had two....I repeat two SB wins in 4 years. Thats the standard McD must attain, especially after he is responsible---the architect of Cuttler getting traded to the Bears.

Remember, McDufus inherited a Franchise QB and an offense just two healthy RB's away from being tops in the NFL! and this idiot 32 year old prima donna has managed to incrementally tear it apart!!!

Simply put.....McD shouldn't mess with whats working and should have focused on DEFENSE!!!

Oh well, we have entered into a re-building process of 3 years or more......may as well get ready for some lean years and the eventual firing of McDaniels and his return to NE as their offensive coordinator. Hell, McD will only be 36 years old when Bowlen fires him for only averaging 4-6 wins over a 4 year period!

Look on the bright side.......at least McD is getting paid well for destroying the House That Mike Built. GOOD-DAY!

maher_tyler
04-25-2009, 08:00 PM
I'll admit this one is puzzling to me. We had three 3rd round picks to get this guy. McDaniels must have thought he'd be going off the board before our first 3rd round pick, interesting. To be honest though, we don't know what was going on in the war room so this one is looking iffy but i like the rest of the draft so far. Quinn is the only ? in my eyes so far.

Because we're going to be a running football team..everything points in that direction...don't remember the Pats using their TE's all that much as far as a recieving threat goes..the most passes Watson ever caught was 49.

TonyR
04-25-2009, 08:00 PM
I was actually dealing with the bad taste in my mouth from the 1st round really well.
I like Moreno, and lets face it, hes gonna be good in DEN.
I like Ayers too. And If Mayock says he will be the best player from this draft, then hey i gotta go with his opinion. Plus DEN desperately needed a JOKER for Nolans syatem.
Its the rest of the draft that is just a big WTF?!?!?!?

I'm right there with you. I talked myself into being good with round 1 and then round 2 left me more than a little befuddled. Giving up next year's 1 has me particularly annoyed.