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SoCalBronco
04-25-2009, 03:48 PM
Gotta get Brown at 18 and then hope Brace is there at 42.

BroncoMan4ever
04-25-2009, 03:49 PM
Jesus people, we still have 9 picks left in the draft. Our offense was ranked 16th in the NFL and Moreno is going to take a lot of pressure off of Simms/Orton. I look forward to seeing a Moreno/Hillis combo.

Let's all take a step back away from the edge and wait for the rest of the draft to play out.

i agree. it is going to be nice to see Moreno's finesse style of play paired with Hillis' power style. plus with both being good receivers out of the backfield, they are going to take a lot of pressure off of Orton and play clock control and keep our rebuilding defense off the field. it was a really good pick.

Bronx33
04-25-2009, 03:50 PM
Jesus people, we still have 9 picks left in the draft. Our offense was ranked 16th in the NFL and Moreno is going to take a lot of pressure off of Simms/Orton. I look forward to seeing a Moreno/Hillis combo.

Let's all take a step back away from the edge and wait for the rest of the draft to play out.


Some folks like to make a judgement before they even see they guy play. :spit:

Mecklomaniac
04-25-2009, 03:50 PM
Is McD planning on using 11 RBs in his base offense... He really is an offensive visionary...

Drunk Monkey
04-25-2009, 03:50 PM
Arakpo was still there, wht the **** was that pick. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

broncswin
04-25-2009, 03:51 PM
Meh on the Moreno pick. Its ok but it would have been much better to take Wells.

Wells has a lot of miles on those legs, and tough ones, OSU lived through him, I think Moreno is a great back, we just had bigger needs.

Ray will be there at 18, I hope we get him, we need someone that can cause some snot bubbles!!:thumbs:

Williams
04-25-2009, 03:51 PM
Jesus people, we still have 9 picks left in the draft. Our offense was ranked 16th in the NFL and Moreno is going to take a lot of pressure off of Orton/Simms. I look forward to seeing a Moreno/Hillis combo.

Let's all take a step back away from the edge and wait for the rest of the draft to play out.


QFT... but fixed it for you.


Relax people, Moreno's gonna be nasty and we'll scoop up a top defender with #18.

Bronco Boy
04-25-2009, 03:52 PM
Good news in SD.

Broncojef
04-25-2009, 03:52 PM
Comeon Broncs get REY!!!!

WABronco
04-25-2009, 03:52 PM
Also makes sense to me. I think Moreno will be a great player for us, running and catching and he's a great character. Hopefully we can get a good defender at 18.

rmsanger
04-25-2009, 03:53 PM
Weaksauce draft thus far... I was trying to say no to Knowshon

KS Bronco
04-25-2009, 03:54 PM
just dont understand why we picked up 3 rbs in offseason, when we already had a couple guys returning from last year (hillis and torrain)

SoCalBronco
04-25-2009, 03:54 PM
No to Rey the bust. Get Brown.

GoBroncos84
04-25-2009, 03:54 PM
Love it. My dream scenario was Moreno and Maualuga. We got one of them, might have a chance at the other.

BroncoMan4ever
04-25-2009, 03:54 PM
Is McD planning on using 11 RBs in his base offense... He really is an offensive visionary...

not all of these backs are going to make the opening day roster.

Moreno, Hillis, Jordan are the safest bets. Buckhalter with injury problems probably is on IR before the season starts. Arrington is going to be a return man for us. Torain is gone, Young is gone.

oubronco
04-25-2009, 03:55 PM
D-Line Damn It

telluride
04-25-2009, 03:55 PM
Moreno will break off 2k in our system!

broncofan2438
04-25-2009, 03:55 PM
Take Rey Rey!!!!!!

Ambiguous
04-25-2009, 03:55 PM
As long as Cleveland skips him do we get Maualuga?

Cam07
04-25-2009, 03:56 PM
Meh on the Moreno pick. Its ok but it would have been much better to take Wells.

I don't watch much college football but from what I've seen it seems that Moreno would be a better fit to go along with Hillis. Isn't Wells a bigger more physical type of back, similar to Hillis?

I really like the pick. While I actually liked the Champ/Portis trade I've always missed having a difference maker at the RB spot. Hopefully Moreno can be that back for us again.

lostknight
04-25-2009, 03:56 PM
That being said, Moreno - 1500 yards in our system, easy.

Just could have done without Mayock bending over laughing from the stupidity of our pick.

gunns
04-25-2009, 03:57 PM
Called it!!! We took Moreno!!!

Yeah, I called it too....if the pick was going to be clueless....and it was.

GeniusatWork
04-25-2009, 03:59 PM
Jesus people, we still have 9 picks left in the draft. Our offense was ranked 16th in the NFL and Moreno is going to take a lot of pressure off of Simms/Orton. I look forward to seeing a Moreno/Hillis combo.

Let's all take a step back away from the edge and wait for the rest of the draft to play out.

Patience, I agree. Have to see how the whole weekend plays out.

Broncojef
04-25-2009, 03:59 PM
As long as Cleveland skips him do we get Maualuga?

Freeman should go here and Rey Rey will be ours...

gunns
04-25-2009, 04:00 PM
If TB takes Freeman and they jumped because of fear that Denver was going to take him....I will know that McDaniels doesn't have a clue.

broncofan2438
04-25-2009, 04:00 PM
What the heck are we doing???

SoCalBronco
04-25-2009, 04:00 PM
Draft Brown!!!!

Broncojef
04-25-2009, 04:01 PM
Love it. My dream scenario was Moreno and Maualuga. We got one of them, might have a chance at the other.

mine too will have to go buy a case of beer I guess.

Ambiguous
04-25-2009, 04:01 PM
haha wtf how many QB's does Tampa need?

WABronco
04-25-2009, 04:01 PM
That doesn't upset me at all. I wonder if they were even interested in Freeman.

oubronco
04-25-2009, 04:01 PM
WHEW I just knew McDipshyt was going to get Freeman

Dukes
04-25-2009, 04:02 PM
SD continues drafting strong. Damn them for taking English.

Atwater His Ass
04-25-2009, 04:02 PM
That being said, Moreno - 1500 yards in our system, easy.

Just could have done without Mayock bending over laughing from the stupidity of our pick.

You realize the system has changed right?

Horrible pick imo with several defensive options still on the board that would have helped us more.

I'm willing to let all this play out, but this just further distances myself from the front office of this organization. I don't think they know wtf they are doing.

baja
04-25-2009, 04:03 PM
Moreno is a great pick for us. He was the best player on the board for us if they want to win now.

SoCalBronco
04-25-2009, 04:03 PM
Brown

Brown


Brown

No To Rey The Fag.

Ambiguous
04-25-2009, 04:04 PM
Ayers?!

Hercules Rockefeller
04-25-2009, 04:04 PM
Ayers. Mayock thinks he'll be the best defensive player from this draft in 3 years. We'll see.

Broncojef
04-25-2009, 04:04 PM
Brown

Brown


Brown

No To Rey The Fag.

Screw Brown, grab our new inside leader.

oubronco
04-25-2009, 04:04 PM
Ayers

baja
04-25-2009, 04:05 PM
Ayers here

Bronco Boy
04-25-2009, 04:05 PM
Ayers is a ****ing bust. I am ****ing sick right now.

Prodigal19
04-25-2009, 04:05 PM
Ayers > Brown
Good pick

Mecklomaniac
04-25-2009, 04:06 PM
Micky D pickin Wells. could always use another RB ROFL!

phillybroncosnut
04-25-2009, 04:06 PM
Ayers?? I wanted Rey and Cushing so bad. When Orakpo was there at 12 I so wanted Orakpo! Now, we get Moreno and Ayers. Not happy!!!

maher_tyler
04-25-2009, 04:07 PM
I called Moreno as well. Let's see if Ayers is the next pick (he was my second pick). All that being said, what a freaken mess. Somehow we have gone from "we just need a defense to win" to "Holy cow, they did what to their offensive team?"

I agree...we take Ayers or Brown at #18

Broncojef
04-25-2009, 04:07 PM
Crap...Ayers...crap

broncswin
04-25-2009, 04:07 PM
don't know him real well, was he very good...now we need a LB and hope we get Brace!!

SoCalBronco
04-25-2009, 04:07 PM
I'll take Ayers. Good versatile prospect, I would have preferred Brown, but at least we avoided Maualuga.

lazarus4444
04-25-2009, 04:07 PM
At least it wasn't offense. I'm liking the Ayers pick, perfect fit for the new Defense.

GeniusatWork
04-25-2009, 04:08 PM
Shut up, Steve Young. He's been babbling as bad as Herm all day.

telluride
04-25-2009, 04:08 PM
Mayock just said Ayers is his favorite defensive player in this draft.

Has a team ever had the Defensive ROY and Offensive ROY in the same year? Book it!

Moreno -- ROY
Ayers -- ROY

Loving it!

oubronco
04-25-2009, 04:08 PM
Ugh .................................................. ...................ugh

lex
04-25-2009, 04:09 PM
Wells has a lot of miles on those legs, and tough ones, OSU lived through him, I think Moreno is a great back, we just had bigger needs.

Ray will be there at 18, I hope we get him, we need someone that can cause some snot bubbles!!:thumbs:


Meh, not really that much more than Moreno, plus he's the better runner.

Bronx33
04-25-2009, 04:09 PM
Why is keyshawn even talking?

jayrvt
04-25-2009, 04:09 PM
Ayers will be a out side lineback im sure

prunch
04-25-2009, 04:10 PM
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broncofan2438
04-25-2009, 04:11 PM
when is our next pick

barryr
04-25-2009, 04:11 PM
I feel Moreno is the best RB in the draft, so ok with that pick.

I worry with Ayers in that he didn't seem to turn it on until late in his college career, so hopefully he just started to see the light and will have a nonstop motor.

Mecklomaniac
04-25-2009, 04:12 PM
Ayers... Meh... Seams like a bit of a reach, but beats taking another RB.... At least it is a position of need.

snowspot66
04-25-2009, 04:12 PM
Ayers. Mayock thinks he'll be the best defensive player from this draft in 3 years. We'll see.

If Mayock is on board I'm on board.

lostknight
04-25-2009, 04:13 PM
Ayers is a good choice. He is peaking a bit late, but I loved what I saw on video with him. Great combination of speed and strength.

maher_tyler
04-25-2009, 04:13 PM
Called the Ayers pick too!!!

GeniusatWork
04-25-2009, 04:14 PM
Not bad. Ayers will have to learn to use his hands better. Hopefully he's a fast learner.

lazarus4444
04-25-2009, 04:16 PM
WOW! CLE are a bunch of wheelers and dealers in this draft.

BroncoMan4ever
04-25-2009, 04:20 PM
Ayers will be a out side lineback im sure

not so sure. with his frame they might have him pack on 10-20 lbs and play DE.

Harvitz81
04-25-2009, 04:25 PM
not so sure. with his frame they might have him pack on 10-20 lbs and play DE.

I think he could pack on 10 lbs and still play OLB on 1st and 2nd down. Then he could kick in to DE on third down.

Ayers has a lot of potential and is probably the best DE/OLB project in the draft. Let's hope Mayock is right that in three years he will be the best defensive player from this draft!

Mecklomaniac
04-25-2009, 04:25 PM
Ayers could be a pretty good 4-3 DE.... Probably too small for a 3-4 DE.

Punisher
04-25-2009, 04:26 PM
Knowshon Moreno and Robert Ayers
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k43/rijowysock/chuck-norris-approved.gif

lex
04-25-2009, 04:27 PM
I feel Moreno is the best RB in the draft, so ok with that pick.

I worry with Ayers in that he didn't seem to turn it on until late in his college career, so hopefully he just started to see the light and will have a nonstop motor.

Mayo also didnt emerge until his last year. And since McDaniels spent last year with him in NE, I kind of wonder if that made him less afraid of the one-year-wonder issue. Mayo was also from Tenn and it didnt affect him.

barryr
04-25-2009, 04:29 PM
It's clear the Broncos see Ayers as a guy they can move around, line up at DE sometimes and OLB. But he's a big risk IMO and will either be a great pick or a big-time bust. There just isn't an in-between with him. I would have gone elsewhere with the pick just because of the risk here. He also didn't turn it on until his senior year, so that's a concern too. But I'll hope for the best and that he becomes a Simon Fletcher type.

WABronco
04-25-2009, 04:29 PM
Peterson and Harvin....damn.

broncswin
04-25-2009, 04:29 PM
Meh, not really that much more than Moreno, plus he's the better runner.

Come on Lex Wells played all 4 years, Moreno only played two, there is no way they are even close in carries are they?

Drek
04-25-2009, 04:31 PM
He's Nolan's new Adalius Thomas/Justin Smith. He'll get groomed to play both OLB and DE.

barryr
04-25-2009, 04:31 PM
Moreno is really good at catching the ball out of the backfield, another reason the Broncos went with him IMO. Moreno will be the better all-around back than Wells.

Pseudofool
04-25-2009, 04:33 PM
PFW:
12 (12) Denver — RB Knowshon Moreno, Georgia With the Broncos moving away from Mike Shanahan's zone-running game, head coach Josh McDaniels needed to find a workhorse back who could pound the ball more aggressively inside and take some pressure off QB Kyle Orton. Moreno is the draft's most competitive runner, and should be able to rush for 1,200-plus yards in a featured role as a rookie. His passion for the game was what caught the attention of McDaniels and new GM Brian Xanders.

18 (18) Denver (from Chicago) — OLB Robert Ayers, Tennessee
The Broncos badly needed help at the rush linebacker position, with Jarvis Moss and Tim Crowder having struggled to develop, and Ayers brings the motor, energy and toughness Josh McDaniels is seeking to establish a physical defensive identity. Despite being highly criticized throughout the Jay Cutler fiasco, McDaniels and GM Brian Xanders have shown a penchant for drafting the first time around, coming away with two very energetic players who leave everything on the field.

Broncojef
04-25-2009, 04:33 PM
Come on Lex Wells played all 4 years, Moreno only played two, there is no way they are even close in carries are they?

Beenie will be a huge bust, so glad we didn't take him...woulda thrown the television out the window.

DenverBrit
04-25-2009, 04:36 PM
If TB takes Freeman and they jumped because of fear that Denver was going to take him....I will know that McDaniels doesn't have a clue.


That would mean that TB doesn't have a clue. ;D

Ayers was probably one of the three or so DE/LBs that Denver wanted.

Freeman was pretty bad at throwing those WTF picks and running, rather than reading a defense and consistantly making good throws.

He's another Vince young.....though not as good and not the type of QB McDaniels would be expected to look at seriously.

cutthemdown
04-25-2009, 04:37 PM
Moreno will make a great NFL RB, Broncos scored big time IMO.

scttgrd
04-25-2009, 04:37 PM
Ok. So how do we get better on defense? Another Moss and a 9th running back. Color me surprised. Can this guy be gone sooner rather than later.

Drek
04-25-2009, 04:37 PM
I'm guessing TB figured a 6th rounder wasn't worth the risk of us surprising them and nabbing Freeman.

broncswin
04-25-2009, 04:41 PM
I liked Steve Young as a player, but today he is bugging the sh*t outta me. He is starting to act like Keyshawn!!!!!!!

DenverBrit
04-25-2009, 04:41 PM
I'm guessing TB figured a 6th rounder wasn't worth the risk of us surprising them and nabbing Freeman.

Those young coaches. ;D

Drek
04-25-2009, 04:42 PM
Ok. So how do we get better on defense? Another Moss and a 9th running back. Color me surprised. Can this guy be gone sooner rather than later.

Are you trying to vie for the stupidest poster on this board?

Yes, a 270+ pound DE who's half a foot shorter and noted for good run stuffing skills is another Moss. The best RB in the draft is just another back. Keep hating man, you're only taking away from your own ability to enjoy the NFL.

Punisher
04-25-2009, 04:44 PM
I'm so Glad we took Moreno, now Orton has a A+ Check down guy plus the guy runs his ass off he reminds me of Westbrook.As for Ayers hes a versatile player that can be a DE or a OLB.McD is doing a really good job so far.

Broncojef
04-25-2009, 04:45 PM
Moreno will make a great NFL RB, Broncos scored big time IMO.

I hope so, its been a long time since we've taken a RB with his kind of skillset. I was way sick of the plug anyone in routine.

Dagmar
04-25-2009, 04:48 PM
I liked Steve Young as a player, but today he is bugging the sh*t outta me. He is starting to act like Keyshawn!!!!!!!

I switched to NFLN because of him.

gyldenlove
04-25-2009, 04:48 PM
I am strangely not unhappy with this 1st round.

Moreno is a solid fit for us, he will be good in 2 back sets and can go inside and out and can catch the ball well.

Ayers is a guy I think will translate well to DE, he has played every position on the DL and should be able to bulk up and play 5-tech.

lex
04-25-2009, 04:49 PM
Come on Lex Wells played all 4 years, Moreno only played two, there is no way they are even close in carries are they?


Wells played 2 years and change, idiot. Pittman was the starter when he was a freshman.

baja
04-25-2009, 04:49 PM
Moreno will make a great NFL RB, Broncos scored big time IMO.

We agree often on Broncos Football, politics not so much.

gyldenlove
04-25-2009, 04:49 PM
I'm so Glad we took Moreno, now Orton has a A+ Check down guy plus the guy runs his ass off he reminds me of Westbrook.As for Ayers hes a versatile player that can be a DE or a OLB.McD is doing a really good job so far.

The only thing that worries me about Moreno is his 0-yard runs, he had a lot of runs for 0 or negative yards in his senior year.

lex
04-25-2009, 04:50 PM
I hope so, its been a long time since we've taken a RB with his kind of skillset. I was way sick of the plug anyone in routine.

And the contortionism is underway.

MVP-06
04-25-2009, 04:51 PM
The only thing that worries me about Moreno is his 0-yard runs, he had a lot of runs for 0 or negative yards in his senior year.

So did B. Sanders

RINGLEADER
04-25-2009, 04:52 PM
I'm so Glad we took Moreno, now Orton has a A+ Check down guy plus the guy runs his ass off he reminds me of Westbrook.As for Ayers hes a versatile player that can be a DE or a OLB.McD is doing a really good job so far.

It's great fun as a Chiefs fan to read posts like this and see the name Orton in there. :~ohyah!:

Dedhed
04-25-2009, 04:52 PM
Moreno will make a great NFL RB, Broncos scored big time IMO.

Moreno was my favorite player in the draft. He's the only guy I saw who would immediately upgrade the offense, and his passion for the game energizes his teammates and the crowd alike.

He's a tremendous receiver and by far the best blocking back coming out. He's a complete football player who I think will be one of the greats. People bashing this pick have no clue.

Harvitz81
04-25-2009, 04:53 PM
About as solid of a first round as you could get. Obviously the FO saw more in Ayers over Orakpo or Brown and knew that Moreno wouldn't be there at 18.

The Hillis/Moreno combo will be sick to watch as both can catch out of the backfield and they offer completely different running styles. I hope we get back to a clock controlling offense and Moreno is a great step in that direction.

Don't know much about Ayers other than Mayock is really high on him, which is good enough for me. After watching some youtube vids on him, I am cautiously optimistic that he turns into our Adalius Thomas.

baja
04-25-2009, 04:56 PM
I'm so Glad we took Moreno, now Orton has a A+ Check down guy plus the guy runs his ass off he reminds me of Westbrook.As for Ayers hes a versatile player that can be a DE or a OLB.McD is doing a really good job so far.

Exactly!

I called this pick and I love this pick. Moreno will help the defense more than any defensive player that was on the board because he will keep them off the field.

I love the Ayers pick too. McDaniels & xman are going to be a great draft team for a long time.

Shiit just heard Mathews was taken by the Packers damn I wanted him.

Punisher
04-25-2009, 04:56 PM
It's great fun as a Chiefs fan to read posts like this and see the name Orton in there. :~ohyah!:

Yea Yea :approve:

Broncojef
04-25-2009, 04:56 PM
And the contortionism is underway.

Maybe you can cheer for wherever that loser Beenie goes to play for..then you wouldn't have to listen to real fans hoping their new draft picks succeed. moreno is ten times better than Beenie "glass" Wells.

DenverBrit
04-25-2009, 04:57 PM
About as solid of a first round as you could get. Obviously the FO saw more in Ayers over Orakpo or Brown and knew that Moreno wouldn't be there at 18.

The Hillis/Moreno combo will be sick to watch as both can catch out of the backfield and they offer completely different running styles. I hope we get back to a clock controlling offense and Moreno is a great step in that direction.

Don't know much about Ayers other than Mayock is really high on him, which is good enough for me. After watching some youtube vids on him, I am cautiously optimistic that he turns into our Adalius Thomas.

Agreed!! You saw right through their cunning plan.

broncofan2438
04-25-2009, 04:58 PM
Green Bay has had a good draft day so far

DenverBrit
04-25-2009, 04:59 PM
And the contortionism is underway.

You do seem to be in pain. ;D

broncswin
04-25-2009, 05:00 PM
Wells played 2 years and change, idiot. Pittman was the starter when he was a freshman.

Your right Lex, Wells only has 100 more carries than Moreno, it would usually piss me off being called an idiot, but since its just a douche bag like you no big deal bro.:thumbsup:

scttgrd
04-25-2009, 05:00 PM
Are you trying to vie for the stupidest poster on this board?

Yes, a 270+ pound DE who's half a foot shorter and noted for good run stuffing skills is another Moss. The best RB in the draft is just another back. Keep hating man, you're only taking away from your own ability to enjoy the NFL.

Yeah, I guess we will see won't we. I look forward to your excuses in about 8 months why we still have no answer on defense and Moreno is in rotation on offese. With the players available how the F. do they pick this kind of crap. I will look forward to the season and your rationale on how we are in the same place.

baja
04-25-2009, 05:01 PM
Green Bay has had a good draft day so far

Yes they have.

DenverBrit
04-25-2009, 05:03 PM
Maybe you can cheer for wherever that loser Beenie goes to play for..then you wouldn't have to listen to real fans hoping their new draft picks succeed. moreno is ten times better than Beenie "glass" Wells.

Better player, more durable and a much better person and teammate.

Lex just wants to cheer for anyone Denver doesn't draft.

baja
04-25-2009, 05:03 PM
Looks like we are going to be a smash mouth defensive team with a great running game again and I love it. It's good to be a Broncos fan again.

Punisher
04-25-2009, 05:04 PM
I wonder what will do with the 2nd round pick....

I have a feeling will trade one of those 3rd round picks for Quinn just a feeling.....

DenverBrit
04-25-2009, 05:04 PM
Looks like we are going to be a smash mouth defensive team with a great running game again and I love it. It's good to be a Broncos fan again.

Ya just have to :poke: the haters. Ha!

lex
04-25-2009, 05:05 PM
You do seem to be in pain. ;D

That doesnt make sense. Id rather have had Wells by far but Im still glad weve gotten away from the idea of taking a RB in the 5th. Ive said this forever.

broncswin
04-25-2009, 05:05 PM
Better player, more durable and a much better person and teammate.

Lex just wants to cheer for anyone Denver doesn't draft.

Lex is like the second coming of Bob!!:wiggle:

lex
04-25-2009, 05:06 PM
Lex is like the second coming of Bob!!:wiggle:

Denver Brit is the second coming of Anita Hill.

SoCalBronco
04-25-2009, 05:11 PM
I'd love Brace at 42. Delmas would be sweet, too, but we need to address the front three.

Broncojef
04-25-2009, 05:11 PM
Better player, more durable and a much better person and teammate.

Lex just wants to cheer for anyone Denver doesn't draft.

I'm really not sure he's a Bronco fan, he bitches about every damn thing. Everyone has their guys but how can you be disappointed by Knowshown and Ayers? In the end two really good players and it will be nice to have some top shelf talent on the field there.

DenverBrit
04-25-2009, 05:15 PM
Denver Brit is the second coming of Anita Hill.

??? Oh, I get it. :griese:

Yeah, I'm often mistaken for an African American, female Law Professor. Idiot!! ROFL!

lex
04-25-2009, 05:16 PM
I'm really not sure he's a Bronco fan, he b****es about every damn thing. Everyone has their guys but how can you be disappointed by Knowshown and Ayers? In the end two really good players and it will be nice to have some top shelf talent on the field there.

At least Im not a flip flopper. Youre the one who has been saying youd throw a fit if they did anything but take defense. Now here you are doing a 180 just blindly accepting what Il Duce does. Have a spine, dude and stop waffling.

telluride
04-25-2009, 05:16 PM
Check out Mayock's Top 20 draft prospects list:

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story?id=09000d5d80d41b6d&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

We just got #3 and #4.

extralife
04-25-2009, 05:17 PM
With the players left on the board (yes, including Wells), I'm wondering if McD and co. are regretting not trading down with at least one of those picks.

WABronco
04-25-2009, 05:21 PM
It's easy to speculate about trading down after the fact, but the real fact is no one here knows how the guys we got were valued by other teams.

...and it's not like Moreno or Ayers were terrible reaches.

DenverBrit
04-25-2009, 05:22 PM
Check out Mayock's Top 20 draft prospects list:

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story?id=09000d5d80d41b6d&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

We just got #3 and #4.

The choices look solid. :thumbsup:

boppool
04-25-2009, 05:23 PM
It kills me to say this, but New England is probably having the best draft so far. They have 4 picks in 2nd and 4 picks in third.
There are plenty of values in 2nd and 3rd more so than any recent draft history. They put themselves in a safe spot where they don't have to rely on 2 or 3 players to pan out.
Patriots will be the team to beat for years to come.. :thumbsdow

lex
04-25-2009, 05:23 PM
With the players left on the board (yes, including Wells), I'm wondering if McD and co. are regretting not trading down with at least one of those picks.

Theres no point in looking back now. Moreno is a good running back too. If you get too cute in trying to pinpoint where guys will slide to, you could end up like Houston last year where you have to trade up to reach for a player like they did with Duane Brown when they misguaged the run on tackles.

Broncojef
04-25-2009, 05:24 PM
At least Im not a flip flopper. Youre the one who has been saying youd throw a fit if they did anything but take defense. Now here you are doing a 180 just blindly accepting what Il Duce does. Have a spine, dude and stop waffling.

Maybe you have me confused with someone else...Sanchez, Beenie Wells and Crabtree were the guys I didn't want anything to do with. I didn't want to trade up or grab any one of those guys. I had no issue with Moreno we still have 8 picks to continue to focus on the Defense. You are so clueless.

Drek
04-25-2009, 05:28 PM
It kills me to say this, but New England is probably having the best draft so far. They have 4 picks in 2nd and 4 picks in third.
There are plenty of values in 2nd and 3rd more so than any recent draft history. They put themselves in a safe spot where they don't have to rely on 2 or 3 players to pan out.
Patriots will be the team to beat for years to come.. :thumbsdow

And this surprises you?

The Pats have been dominant all this decade for employing these exact same draft strategies. Always take value, if you don't feel like value is available move to where you think value can be had.

Why do you think Josh McDaniels is here? Its not just because he's a great offensive mind. He brings that kind of personnel system to town as well.

Broncojef
04-25-2009, 05:28 PM
There you go Lex you're now a Cardinals fan right? I'm sure McD is losing sleep not trading back to get that.

SouthStndJunkie
04-25-2009, 05:29 PM
Great pick for Arizona in Beanie Wells.

extralife
04-25-2009, 05:30 PM
It kills me to say this, but New England is probably having the best draft so far. They have 4 picks in 2nd and 4 picks in third.
There are plenty of values in 2nd and 3rd more so than any recent draft history. They put themselves in a safe spot where they don't have to rely on 2 or 3 players to pan out.
Patriots will be the team to beat for years to come.. :thumbsdow

They do this every year. In a league short on ideas and long on copying, I'm extremely surprised more teams don't try the same things. I guess the argument is trading down is harder than it sounds, but really all you have to do is pinpoint a couple of teams with serious needs and prey on them.

Dagmar
04-25-2009, 05:31 PM
Check out Mayock's Top 20 draft prospects list:

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story?id=09000d5d80d41b6d&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

We just got #3 and #4.

http://www.hrsdc.gc.ca/eng/lp/images/rubbing-eyes.jpg

telluride. Being positive! Cool beans!

I like these picks so far!

prunch
04-25-2009, 05:33 PM
Didnt think we needed a RB but he looks like a stud. Ayers looks like a safe, solid pick

SportinOne
04-25-2009, 05:36 PM
Looks like we are going to be a smash mouth defensive team with a great running game again and I love it. It's good to be a Broncos fan again.

We went pass happy for a few games at the end of last season due to unprecedented injuries to our running backs and all of a sudden you seem to forget that we were ALWAYS A RUNNING TEAM.

As for smashmouth defense.. let's wait until the draft is over before we even begin to make conclusions about this defense improving. So far, we just got another Jarvis Moss...

Dagmar
04-25-2009, 05:36 PM
1st of 196 picks this draft for the pats.

SouthStndJunkie
04-25-2009, 05:37 PM
Excellent pick of Louis Delmas by the Lions.

Broncojef
04-25-2009, 05:37 PM
The run on safties has begun.

Drek
04-25-2009, 05:37 PM
Ouch. Pats getting Chung isn't good tidings for anyone else in the league.

Dedhed
04-25-2009, 05:37 PM
With the players left on the board (yes, including Wells), I'm wondering if McD and co. are regretting not trading down with at least one of those picks.

With the players they got, I doubt it.

WABronco
04-25-2009, 05:38 PM
Mother trucker!

NE is gonna sweep this round.

boppool
04-25-2009, 05:38 PM
Is there any way we can package our second and fifth to move up to take Maualuga? it would just make my day.

Dagmar
04-25-2009, 05:38 PM
So far, we just got another Jarvis Moss...

No. That's not an accurate statement at all.

Dedhed
04-25-2009, 05:40 PM
I'm begging that Connor Barwin holds out to #48

SouthStndJunkie
04-25-2009, 05:40 PM
The Belicock does not like fake tears.

lex
04-25-2009, 05:41 PM
We went pass happy for a few games at the end of last season due to unprecedented injuries to our running backs and all of a sudden you seem to forget that we were ALWAYS A RUNNING TEAM.

As for smashmouth defense.. let's wait until the draft is over before we even begin to make conclusions about this defense improving. So far, we just got another Jarvis Moss...

Ayers is more stout than Moss. Theyre saying he might be able to play either 5 tech or LB.

Drek
04-25-2009, 05:42 PM
Is there any way we can package our second and fifth to move up to take Maualuga? it would just make my day.

That'd only move us up a couple spots. Hell, our 4th would probably only move us up 6 spots.

We're better off just sitting at 48 and seeing who slides down to us.

Mogulseeker
04-25-2009, 05:45 PM
I think he could pack on 10 lbs and still play OLB on 1st and 2nd down. Then he could kick in to DE on third down.

Ayers has a lot of potential and is probably the best DE/OLB project in the draft. Let's hope Mayock is right that in three years he will be the best defensive player from this draft!

I say he stays at DE

SouthStndJunkie
04-25-2009, 05:46 PM
Brian Robiskie, WR, Ohio State to the Browns....that will be a popular pick.

SouthStndJunkie
04-25-2009, 05:47 PM
Connor Barwin is going to be a steal for some team.

Broncojef
04-25-2009, 05:47 PM
I'm begging that Connor Barwin holds out to #48

See if he holds past the Pats at 41

Harvitz81
04-25-2009, 05:47 PM
We just traded up...

Drek
04-25-2009, 05:47 PM
We Moving Up!

Broncojef
04-25-2009, 05:48 PM
Broncos On The Move!!! Barwin/Maualuga....

rmsanger
04-25-2009, 05:48 PM
Maybe we get Brace here ? or is it for Rey ?

uplink
04-25-2009, 05:49 PM
Was it just me or did Hayward Bey look like even he though it was a bad idea when raiders picked him at #7?

Could they have gotten him in the 2 round?

ESPN should add to their 'best player available' list a 'faster player available' so the fans can stay on top of the raiders prospects.

What a joke Al's team is. Bey better be a touch guy cause he is going to catch
hell for years to come with Crabtree right across the bay.

Sassy
04-25-2009, 05:50 PM
Gave up a one next year???

Dagmar
04-25-2009, 05:50 PM
Meltdown time. Major MELTDOWN.

Northman
04-25-2009, 05:50 PM
Was it just me or did Hayward Bey look like even he though it was a bad idea when raiders picked him at #7?

.


Ha!

Dagmar
04-25-2009, 05:51 PM
http://incredimazing.com/static/media/2008/01/07/ddb7f6a6ae3b584/wtf.jpg

extralife
04-25-2009, 05:51 PM
what the ****, next years first? and for a corner?

/facepalm

summerdenver
04-25-2009, 05:52 PM
WTF. Did we just give up a 1st for a corner, when we need front 7 - Instead of staying where we were and taking Rey/Sinthim/Barwin???

Broncojef
04-25-2009, 05:52 PM
I'm stunned

Northman
04-25-2009, 05:52 PM
Is Shanny drafting again.

lostknight
04-25-2009, 05:56 PM
My God. Shoot me know. Alphonso Smith could be worth all that, but for a first, that we could use to go after a QB that we really could need next year?

Are you really trying to tell me that 10 picks this year is not enough, you really need one more? That you could not pair a third and second to move up? That BJ Raji wasn't worth pairing the firsts to move up?

McDaniels must win this year. He won't be around next otherwise.

Hercules Rockefeller
04-25-2009, 05:59 PM
Horrific, just horrific.

You are 13 spots back and instead of moving up from there you give up a future 1st for a tiny corner?

That better have been Chicago's pick.

BroncoLifer
04-25-2009, 05:59 PM
Please let it be the Chicago 1st and not our own....

WABronco
04-25-2009, 06:00 PM
haha OMG THEY DIDNT TAKE REY /pound keyboard

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b324/austinjg/fuuuuu.jpg

Alphonso Smith is a good player. He can make an impact next year.

Prodigal19
04-25-2009, 06:00 PM
Alfonso Smith is probably the most underrated corner in the draft. With that said, Im not crazy about the pick because there are other positions we need help at more than CB. Im still looking forward to see how this guy does.

Broncojef
04-25-2009, 06:02 PM
Does anyone know anything about this guy? I don't know whether to be happy or pissed at this point.

Punisher
04-25-2009, 06:02 PM
Alphonso Smith is the best DB in the Draft everyone cool down,Champ will Coach him up.But i do question the trade McD must think very highly on Smith I knew he was a Playmaker but McD must see more in him.

extralife
04-25-2009, 06:02 PM
the worst part about this is now there is nothing to look forward to this season. before this at least I could say the losing would net us a good pick. now we just gave up a top ten pick for some corner in the second round, when we could have come up with about ten different other ways to get him.

I guess McD knows the pressure is on to win this year. so he mortgages the team's interests for his own. that's how I read this

maher_tyler
04-25-2009, 06:04 PM
WTF. Did we just give up a 1st for a corner, when we need front 7 - Instead of staying where we were and taking Rey/Sinthim/Barwin???

Champ and the rest of our DB's aren't getting any younger either..seems like a solid pick to me...but i think giving up one of next years firsts was reaching!!

80smith
04-25-2009, 06:05 PM
WOW!

This is from http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/alphonso-smith?id=80435#profiles-tabs:players-analysis

Compares To: DRE' BLY, ex-Denver -- Smith is an extraordinary pass thief with great timing and recovery speed. He plays taller than his size indicates, but is not strong enough to challenge more physical receivers, especially in press coverage. He is best suited to be a zone corner or operate in the slot in man coverage as he will get soft on you if bounced around by bigger blockers.

Denver724
04-25-2009, 06:06 PM
They say if he was 2" taller he would have been a top 10 choice. This tells me there is going to be some major purging this year. I can see at least 10-20 players from last years roster not on this years roster. I am a little bummed about trading next years #1, but at least we have another. I like all of our picks so far.

boppool
04-25-2009, 06:07 PM
So... You're telling me..

Jay Cutler = Robert Ayers + Alphonso Smith + Kyle Orton + 3rd pick?

Incredible....

Broncojef
04-25-2009, 06:09 PM
So Connor Barwin and Everette Brown are still there?

tesnyde
04-25-2009, 06:10 PM
There went our qb insurance if simple simms and Ohno don't pan out in next years qb rich draft

Que
04-25-2009, 06:10 PM
I am going to go kick my dog. If i had a dog that is

Hercules Rockefeller
04-25-2009, 06:13 PM
So... You're telling me..

Jay Cutler = Robert Ayers + Alphonso Smith + Kyle Orton + 3rd pick?

Incredible....

That's what I'm praying for at this point and it's not their own 1st.

DenverBrit
04-25-2009, 06:14 PM
Alphonso Smith:

Sports Xchange Scouting Report
OVERVIEW:
While Ohio State's Malcolm Jenkins deserves the recognition he has received as the top senior cornerback in the country, Smith might just be the most underrated. What Smith lacks in size, he more than makes up for in pure athleticism, demonstrating the quick feet and straight-line speed to cover any receiver in the country.

Just as important, Smith is fearless on the field, routinely coming up to support the run. A natural playmaker, Smith left Wake Forest as the ACC's career leader with 21 interceptions. This penchant for the big play translated onto the practice field at the Senior Bowl, where Smith intercepted passes in front of hundreds of scouts on each of the first three days of work.

As dynamic a playmaker as Smith is, however, the reality is there are very few 5-foot-9 cornerbacks starting in the NFL. Smith's small stature could push him far enough down the board to the point where he is ultimately a steal.


ANALYSIS:
Positives: Excellent ball skills, closing on the ball quickly and watching it into his hands. Can adjust to ball over his shoulder. Able to return interceptions for significant yardage. Very good speed to stay with receivers down the sideline, along with fluid hips and excellent quickness to handle short-area responsibilities. Reads the quarterback well, and can undercut throws to make a play. Very confident on an island, and won't back down even if giving up size to his opponent. Able to get position on receivers in order to cut off routes. Not shy about contact, and will attempt to wrap tackle in the open or cut if needed. Can close down the sideline on outside runs. Tries to strip the ball when part of a gang tackle. Got touches as a receiver on quick screens, and could be a return option.

Negatives: Short with only an adequate build and strength. Gives up several inches in height to outside receivers who can take advantage of him in jump balls down the sideline and red-zone situations. Can get vertical quickly, but isn't strong enough to out-fight bigger receivers for the ball. Struggles to get off decent receiver run blocks in space. Not a great one-on-one open-field tackler. Best as a zone corner or in the slot, as he may have problems jamming physical receivers at the line of scrimmage.

frerottenextelway
04-25-2009, 06:16 PM
WOW!

This is from http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/alphonso-smith?id=80435#profiles-tabs:players-analysis

Compares To: DRE' BLY, ex-Denver -- Smith is an extraordinary pass thief with great timing and recovery speed. He plays taller than his size indicates, but is not strong enough to challenge more physical receivers, especially in press coverage. He is best suited to be a zone corner or operate in the slot in man coverage as he will get soft on you if bounced around by bigger blockers.

:rofl:

Dedhed
04-25-2009, 06:17 PM
So Connor Barwin and Everette Brown are still there?

I would love either one of them. Barwin would probably be my preference, but Brown would have more impact this year. Barwin could play 3 positions on top of being a special teams killer.

rmsanger
04-25-2009, 06:17 PM
McDaniels / Xanders fial at life.... We got a 9th RB, a short CB, and another Crowder with a better motore. Ruined our team chemistry and traded our franchise QB. This guy is going to be the ultimate devil in Bronco history. Mark my word we will look back to this day with great disdain and shame.

maher_tyler
04-25-2009, 06:18 PM
Alphonso Smith:

BIOGRAPHY: Four-year starter awarded all-Conference and All-America honors the past two years. Totals last season included 37/7/13 after 44/8/10 as a junior. Intercepted 15 passes in college and broke up forty. Productive special teams player, and has blocked several kicks in college.

POSITIVES: Athletic cornerback who plays with terrific fundamentals and instincts. Fluid and fast pedaling in reverse, can flip his hips in transition, and explodes to the pass out of his break. Displays excellent focus, a great sense of timing, and plays with outstanding body control. Possesses terrific hands for the interception, and catches the ball as though he were a receiver. Feisty, effectively positions himself against opponents to make a play on the ball, and will battle large receivers. Fast, and easily stays downfield with opponents. Comes up the field to defend the run. Gets vertical and contorts to deflect away the ball or pull the pass from the air.

NEGATIVES: Lacks the great size and loses out to tall receivers.

ANALYSIS: Smith is a tremendous cornerback who consistently shuts down the opponent's best receiver. His lack of height may be an issue for teams, yet Smith offers starting potential at the next level, and he can be used in a variety of coverage systems.

PROJECTION: First/Second Round

Atwater His Ass
04-25-2009, 06:18 PM
The problem isn't the pick itself, but what we gave up to get him. We got fleeced. We had more than enough ammunition to move up and take this guy w/o giving up a first. It's just ridiculous.

I agree with the above that McD is selling out the team's future now in order for his own self preservation.

snowspot66
04-25-2009, 06:20 PM
McDaniels / Xanders fial at life.... We got a 9th RB, a short CB, and another Crowder with a better motore. Ruined our team chemistry and traded our franchise QB. This guy is going to be the ultimate devil in Bronco history. Mark my word we will look back to this day with great disdain and shame.

Holy ****. The drama. Are you a teenage girl?

Jesus Christ. We got two of the top 5 guys on Mayock's list and while the price hurts for the CB at least the kid can play. It's not like we jumped up for a Middlebrooks or some **** like that.

SoCalBronco
04-25-2009, 06:21 PM
I would like to hear one of the dickswingers defend this ****.

Come on, let's hear it.

We haven't drafted a SINGLE 3-4 LINEMAN YET. NOT A SINGLE ****ING ONE. And Brace just went off the Board.

I really hope what Mayock said was untrue. I hope he heard wrong, because they better not have traded a 2010 first just to obtain this cornerback. You don't build from the back end going forward. Haven't we been taught this lesson already, like a million times? Are we really that stupid to burn a FIRST in a better draft for a CORNER?

Punisher
04-25-2009, 06:24 PM
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Heres some highlights if anyone cares

Dagmar
04-25-2009, 06:24 PM
http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photo_StoryLevel/080606/080606-incredible-hulk-hmed-3p.hlarge.jpg

SoCal ANGRY!!!

socalorado
04-25-2009, 06:24 PM
The problem isn't the pick itself, but what we gave up to get him. We got fleeced. We had more than enough ammunition to move up and take this guy w/o giving up a first. It's just ridiculous.

I agree with the above that McD is selling out the team's future now in order for his own self preservation.

Yeah. its official. This guy is lost. Ive held back for quite some time, but this draft shows that he CLEARLY has no clue, and is now overthinking everything from stress i imagine, and is making decisions based on paranoia and gut feelings.
What were the exact parameters of the deal?

Atwater His Ass
04-25-2009, 06:25 PM
McDaniels / Xanders fial at life.... We got a 9th RB, a short CB, and another Crowder with a better motore. Ruined our team chemistry and traded our franchise QB. This guy is going to be the ultimate devil in Bronco history. Mark my word we will look back to this day with great disdain and shame.

I will laugh especially hard at the tools that defend everything these guys (xanders/mcd) do and tell everyone else that we're not real fans if we don't support when they turn tail and see what some of us already know.

I will be here to hold those accountable.

garandman
04-25-2009, 06:27 PM
Alphonso Smith:

Sports Xchange Scouting Report
OVERVIEW:
While Ohio State's Malcolm Jenkins deserves the recognition he has received as the top senior cornerback in the country, Smith might just be the most underrated. What Smith lacks in size, he more than makes up for in pure athleticism, demonstrating the quick feet and straight-line speed to cover any receiver in the country.

Just as important, Smith is fearless on the field, routinely coming up to support the run. A natural playmaker, Smith left Wake Forest as the ACC's career leader with 21 interceptions. This penchant for the big play translated onto the practice field at the Senior Bowl, where Smith intercepted passes in front of hundreds of scouts on each of the first three days of work.

As dynamic a playmaker as Smith is, however, the reality is there are very few 5-foot-9 cornerbacks starting in the NFL. Smith's small stature could push him far enough down the board to the point where he is ultimately a steal.


ANALYSIS:
Positives: Excellent ball skills, closing on the ball quickly and watching it into his hands. Can adjust to ball over his shoulder. Able to return interceptions for significant yardage. Very good speed to stay with receivers down the sideline, along with fluid hips and excellent quickness to handle short-area responsibilities. Reads the quarterback well, and can undercut throws to make a play. Very confident on an island, and won't back down even if giving up size to his opponent. Able to get position on receivers in order to cut off routes. Not shy about contact, and will attempt to wrap tackle in the open or cut if needed. Can close down the sideline on outside runs. Tries to strip the ball when part of a gang tackle. Got touches as a receiver on quick screens, and could be a return option.

Negatives: Short with only an adequate build and strength. Gives up several inches in height to outside receivers who can take advantage of him in jump balls down the sideline and red-zone situations. Can get vertical quickly, but isn't strong enough to out-fight bigger receivers for the ball. Struggles to get off decent receiver run blocks in space. Not a great one-on-one open-field tackler. Best as a zone corner or in the slot, as he may have problems jamming physical receivers at the line of scrimmage.

To me, compares to DWill, without the blazing speed...

HAT
04-25-2009, 06:27 PM
The problem isn't the pick itself, but what we gave up to get him. We got fleeced. We had more than enough ammunition to move up and take this guy w/o giving up a first. It's just ridiculous.

I agree with the above that McD is selling out the team's future now in order for his own self preservation.

Next years 32nd for this years 38th....what's the problem?
LOL

snowspot66
04-25-2009, 06:27 PM
I would like to hear one of the *****wingers defend this ****.

Come on, let's hear it.

We haven't drafted a SINGLE 3-4 LINEMAN YET. NOT A SINGLE ****ING ONE. And Brace just went off the Board.

I really hope what Mayock said was untrue. I hope he heard wrong, because they better not have traded a 2010 first just to obtain this cornerback. You don't build from the back end going forward. Haven't we been taught this lesson already, like a million times? Are we really that stupid to burn a FIRST in a better draft for a CORNER?

How about you save your bitching until after tomorrow?

Perhaps they don't find the guys at the top really all that much better than those in the middle? God knows we were all terrified of who they would draft because every top player seemed to have some pretty bad flaws and created a rather unremarkable draft class at the top in general.

lazarus4444
04-25-2009, 06:27 PM
I'm excited to get Alphonso Smith although i think the price was a little too steep but they must really like him. Hold me accountable all you want but i'm not predicting doom and gloom and i think we're a playoff team this year. If McDaniels is an epic fail like all you ladies think then i'll eat my hat and post pictures too.

oubronco
04-25-2009, 06:28 PM
Yeah. its official. This guy is lost. Ive held back for quite some time, but this draft shows that he CLEARLY has no clue, and is now overthinking everything from stress i imagine, and is making decisions based on paranoia and gut feelings.
What were the exact parameters of the deal?

I've been saying since he was hired he was clueless and an Idiot

WABronco
04-25-2009, 06:30 PM
I would like to hear one of the *****wingers defend this ****.

Come on, let's hear it.

We haven't drafted a SINGLE 3-4 LINEMAN YET. NOT A SINGLE ****ING ONE. And Brace just went off the Board.

I really hope what Mayock said was untrue. I hope he heard wrong, because they better not have traded a 2010 first just to obtain this cornerback. You don't build from the back end going forward. Haven't we been taught this lesson already, like a million times? Are we really that stupid to burn a FIRST in a better draft for a CORNER?

Hahaha no defending necessary.

Pure laughter at how enraged you are. I almost feel sorry for you.

Ray Finkle
04-25-2009, 06:32 PM
This is funny....you all are bitching about a player you haven't seen on the field yet.

People bitched about D-Will and this guy is a clone of him....I love the pick.

Broncojef
04-25-2009, 06:33 PM
Hold me accountable too AHA..if we get Barwin at 48 I am happy with this draft and happy the direction the Broncos are going.

WABronco
04-25-2009, 06:33 PM
I will laugh especially hard at the tools that defend everything these guys (xanders/mcd) do and tell everyone else that we're not real fans if we don't support when they turn tail and see what some of us already know.

I will be here to hold those accountable.

Hahaha Uh Oh! Internet forum outrage in full effect today!

Harvitz81
04-25-2009, 06:34 PM
Damn, Alphoso Smith is pretty impressive at CB. Might not be a bad selection after all.

So far we have Mike Mayocks top rated RB, DE/OLB and CB

socalorado
04-25-2009, 06:34 PM
I've been saying since he was hired he was clueless and an Idiot

This next pick will be very interesting!

oubronco
04-25-2009, 06:35 PM
Hold me accountable too AHA..if we get Barwin at 48 I am happy with this draft and happy the direction the Broncos are going.

Jinx

extralife
04-25-2009, 06:36 PM
So... You're telling me..

Jay Cutler = Robert Ayers + Alphonso Smith + Kyle Orton + 3rd pick?

Incredible....

man don't put it like that I am going to cry

Drek
04-25-2009, 06:36 PM
This is funny....you all are b****ing about a player you haven't seen on the field yet.

People b****ed about D-Will and this guy is a clone of him....I love the pick.

He's a significantly better prospect than D-Will was.

The Dre Bly comparison is actually pretty good I think. Only problem with that is the negative connotation Dre Bly's name brings on this board. People forget that he was a legitimate three time pro-bowler before coming here and getting old.

snowspot66
04-25-2009, 06:36 PM
Damn, Alphoso Smith is pretty impressive at CB. Might not be a bad selection after all.

So far we have Mike Mayocks top rated RB, DE/OLB and CB

Really? Mayock's top CB? Hmmmmm....

WABronco
04-25-2009, 06:37 PM
This is funny....you all are b****ing about a player you haven't seen on the field yet.

People b****ed about D-Will and this guy is a clone of him....I love the pick.

I find this highly entertaining. Proceed with TEH RAGE.

Can't wait for the next pick. Hopefully it's a good one, one that Mayock likes so everyone's all "oh hey ok Mayock likes what we're doing I'm good now".

Broncojef
04-25-2009, 06:37 PM
Oakland and Al still clueless.

Atwater His Ass
04-25-2009, 06:37 PM
I'm excited to get Alphonso Smith although i think the price was a little too steep but they must really like him. Hold me accountable all you want but i'm not predicting doom and gloom and i think we're a playoff team this year. If McDaniels is an epic fail like all you ladies think then i'll eat my hat and post pictures too.

Are you new to the Denver Broncos? Let me catch you up. We traded our franchise 25 year old Pro Bowl QB this off-season. We now have the electric Kyle Orton fighting it out with Chris Simms. Yeah, that Chris Simms.

We've had the worst defensive line in the NFL over the last decade. More recently, we have the worst defense in the entire league just last year.

We are changing up defensive schemes froma 4-3 to a 3-4. We have maybe, MAYBE 1 3-4 DL starter in Marcus Thomas. That's it. We haven't drafted a 3-4 DL lineman yet in this draft and just traded a FIRST ROUND draft pick to get, wait for it, ya, a CB. Who btw, compares very similarliy to a CB we just let walk out.

And maybe you forgot where we've already tried to build a defense from the back forward. Tell me. How's that worked out? But hey, let's not learn from that ESPCIALLY WHEN WE ARE CHANGING DEFENSIVE FRONTS AND HAVE NO QUALITY DEFENSIVE LINEMAN.

Look, we've used 2 of our top picks (and ****, throw in a first from next year) to draft a RB and a CB. Starting to see the problem yet?

Are you still going to sit there and act like this isn't a problem? Espcially when we could have addressed real needs such as LB or DL with Rey or Brace.

We've already proven this philosphy doesn't work on how to build a defense. It's ****ing ridiculous.

STBumpkin
04-25-2009, 06:38 PM
We shouldn't even sign these guys to a contract!
Cut them right away!
They are obviously busts!
Why waste the roster space!?!

Oh wait, I guess we could let them play for us first.
Darn, and I was sooo looking forward to firing McD and begging Shanny to come back.

SportinOne
04-25-2009, 06:41 PM
This is funny....you all are b****ing about a player you haven't seen on the field yet.

People b****ed about D-Will and this guy is a clone of him....I love the pick.

Not to trash DWill, but he wasn't necesarily a great cornerback. A solid return man? Yes, but you seem to forget that he was continually beaten week in and week out.

Punisher
04-25-2009, 06:42 PM
Yes!!!!!!

WABronco
04-25-2009, 06:42 PM
OMG who is it??!?!?!?

AHAHAHA SOMEONE NO ONE HAS EVEN HEARD OF!!!!

AHHHH! Rage!

rmsanger
04-25-2009, 06:43 PM
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha we fail so hard

Atwater His Ass
04-25-2009, 06:43 PM
NFL network is reporting btw, that the first we traded was OUR first round pick NOT the chicago pick. Awesome.

oubronco
04-25-2009, 06:43 PM
This next pick will be very interesting!

It's official he's an Idiot my goodness

lazarus4444
04-25-2009, 06:43 PM
No i'm not new to the Broncos. I like the direction they are heading though. Yes, I know, this isn't a conventional approach but I think its going to work. Don't forget we have Carlton Powell on the line this year too now that he is healthy.

Are you new to the Denver Broncos? Let me catch you up. We traded our franchise 25 year old Pro Bowl QB this off-season. We now have the electric Kyle Orton fighting it out with Chris Simms. Yeah, that Chris Simms.

We've had the worst defensive line in the NFL over the last decade. More recently, we have the worst defense in the entire league just last year.

We are changing up defensive schemes froma 4-3 to a 3-4. We have maybe, MAYBE 1 3-4 DL starter in Marcus Thomas. That's it. We haven't drafted a 3-4 DL lineman yet in this draft and just traded a FIRST ROUND draft pick to get, wait for it, ya, a CB. Who btw, compares very similarliy to a CB we just let walk out.

And maybe you forgot where we've already tried to build a defense from the back forward. Tell me. How's that worked out? But hey, let's not learn from that ESPCIALLY WHEN WE ARE CHANGING DEFENSIVE FRONTS AND HAVE NO QUALITY DEFENSIVE LINEMAN.

Look, we've used 2 of our top picks (and ****, throw in a first from next year) to draft a RB and a CB. Starting to see the problem yet?

Are you still going to sit there and act like this isn't a problem? Espcially when we could have addressed real needs such as LB or DL with Rey or Brace.

We've already proven this philosphy doesn't work on how to build a defense. It's ****ing ridiculous.

SportinOne
04-25-2009, 06:44 PM
And the brilliance continues!

SoCalBronco
04-25-2009, 06:45 PM
McBath had one game last year when he was totally awesome and had several picks, but that was kind of an outlier for him. Rashad Johnson would have been much better if they were dead set on safety. One game does not make a safety.

longtimer
04-25-2009, 06:47 PM
I want Josh FIRED He is srewing us over.......Makes me long for a Shanny draft!!!!!!!

Dagmar
04-25-2009, 06:47 PM
http://www.sockheaven.net/images/music/albums/meltdown-front-cover.jpg

Ray Finkle
04-25-2009, 06:48 PM
D-Will brought attitude, something only Woody brought last year. I know nothing about the Safety......

TonyR
04-25-2009, 06:48 PM
We haven't drafted a 3-4 DL lineman yet in this draft...

Look, we've used 2 of our top picks (and ****, throw in a first from next year) to draft a RB and a CB...

I agree with some of your points but did you forget we drafter Ayers?

epicSocialism4tw
04-25-2009, 06:48 PM
Darcel McBath, eh?

This implosion of a draft continues.

telluride
04-25-2009, 06:49 PM
McBath I don't get. He was projected as a 3rd rounder.

tesnyde
04-25-2009, 06:49 PM
Its not that im down about the who we picked. He maybe another d-will; its what we gave up ... Our insurance for qb if simms and orton don' t pan out. We had the ammo to move up and now we may not. D-will was a great person and player. I had him as a student at od wyatt high school and his cousin, brandon williams - jr DE now at texas Tech, at south hills high school in fort worth. I know the family and went to D-wills funeral at their request. Truth is Denver needs some guys upfront in this draft and qb insurance. Besides these secondary picks have a lot to prove before we say they equate to D-will and McD has let us down again. My 4 yr daughter asked me where are the big tough guys?

socalorado
04-25-2009, 06:50 PM
It's official he's an Idiot my goodness

You know what i think hes doing?
He had a list of players that he liked and he numbered them from 1st to last.
Then he decided that regardless of the needs of the Denver broncos, he was going to take the BPA according to his list in every round no matter what.
Its irrelevent that theres absolutely no need to draft a safety this high with out addressing the NT or DE positions. He doesnt care.
He has a list, and that what hes going off, Period.

Punisher
04-25-2009, 06:51 PM
McBath is a stone cold Killer OMG i really can't believe all the negative right now.Hes a younger B-Dawk

Atwater His Ass
04-25-2009, 06:52 PM
No i'm not new to the Broncos. I like the direction they are heading though. Yes, I know, this isn't a conventional approach but I think its going to work. Don't forget we have Carlton Powell on the line this year too now that he is healthy.

So I just want to get this straight, so bear with me.

You think trading our Pro Bowl QB, changing our running game, changing defensive schemes, not drafting to support that new scheme (which we were already terrible on defense anyway) will make us a playoff team this year?

lazarus4444
04-25-2009, 06:57 PM
So I just want to get this straight, so bear with me.

You think trading our Pro Bowl QB, changing our running game, changing defensive schemes, not drafting to support that new scheme (which we were already terrible on defense anyway) will make us a playoff team this year?

YES! You can take it to the bank! :wiggle:

Just wait and see.

You'll come around after the season starts, i'm pretty excited about this and even with our brutal schedule we're going to make the playoffs.

Laz

Killericon
04-25-2009, 06:57 PM
I just feel deflated right now. Ugh.

I saw that it's our Natural 1st next year, not Chicago's, that we traded for our new CB.

I wonder if Nolan is planning on eventually moving Bailey to Safety.

I'm waiting on Scheffler to be moved...

I'm not mad, there's just a really bad taste in my mouth.

socalorado
04-25-2009, 06:57 PM
McBath is a stone cold Killer OMG i really can't believe all the negative right now.Hes a younger B-Dawk

Great. and with one of those picks that MCD gave up for Foxy II, DEn could have draft Taylor MAys AND! HAd another pick to still move around and draft a QB.
Whats your point? Overdraft a player that would have been there in the 3rd or 4th, in the 2nd cause hes cool?

You do realize that MCD still has not even made one remote move to address the d-line which according to any sane person with half a brain is the GLARING WEAKNESS on the team?!?!?
Put down the crack pipe!

epicSocialism4tw
04-25-2009, 06:58 PM
So I just want to get this straight, so bear with me.

You think trading our Pro Bowl QB, changing our running game, changing defensive schemes, not drafting to support that new scheme (which we were already terrible on defense anyway) will make us a playoff team this year?

Obviously, we're filling all of those holes with talented veteran free agents. ::)

Atwater His Ass
04-25-2009, 06:59 PM
I agree with some of your points but did you forget we drafter Ayers?

First off, let me just say that I like the Ayer's pick and I agree with Mayock that he may be the best defensive player in the draft looking back 3 years from now.

However, he is not a 3-4 DL. He is a 4-3 DE or a 3-4 OLB/DE tweener (of which we already have a slew of these guys on the roster). I like this pick because he does fill a front 7 need for us and is an explosive player. But we need to get some no **** 3-4 DL imo. I really wanted Brace in the 2nd round and we could have had him. I just dont' get it.

Killericon
04-25-2009, 07:02 PM
Oh, also, why does everyone think we're getting rid of the zone running scheme? I've never heard/seen anything to make me think that.

Punisher
04-25-2009, 07:04 PM
Great. and with one of those picks that MCD gave up for Foxy II, DEn could have draft Taylor MAys AND! HAd another pick to still move around and draft a QB.
Whats your point? Overdraft a player that would have been there in the 3rd or 4th, in the 2nd cause hes cool?

You do realize that MCD still has not even made one remote move to address the d-line which according to any sane person with half a brain is the GLARING WEAKNESS on the team?!?!?
Put down the crack pipe!

Yea Im mad about McD not making moves for the D-Line too,but McBath is a really good player hes going to do alot for this team Mark my words.I had the broncos taking him in my mock Draft I think very highly of him.

The man knows how to hit and he hits hard ;D

WABronco
04-25-2009, 07:07 PM
Read McBath's scouting report he's our own Ed Reed! OMGS!

In all seriousness...sounds like a solid FS prospect who can, you know, actually cover. Peace out Marquand Manuel/Marlon McRee.

Every guy we've drafted seems like the type that can be assets next year. I'm quite excited to see what Moreno can do for us.

Atwater His Ass
04-25-2009, 07:07 PM
Oh, also, why does everyone think we're getting rid of the zone running scheme? I've never heard/seen anything to make me think that.

We are not scraping it entirely. McFailure came out and said that there were certain parts of his own running scheme he woulnd't part with and will implement here. I think keeping guys like Turner speak somethign to the level that we aren't 100% abandoning our zone style, however, there will be significant changes and to me, that constitues a change in your running scheme. It's just another new thing that players will have to learn (and btw changing the most successful thing about our team) to add to everything else.

BroncoLifer
04-25-2009, 07:07 PM
So I just want to get this straight, so bear with me.

You think trading our Pro Bowl QB, changing our running game, changing defensive schemes, not drafting to support that new scheme (which we were already terrible on defense anyway) will make us a playoff team this year?

You forgot to mention dumping our borderline HOF coach.

Atwater His Ass
04-25-2009, 07:13 PM
and lolKyleorton

cartel
04-25-2009, 07:16 PM
You know what i think hes doing?
He had a list of players that he liked and he numbered them from 1st to last.
Then he decided that regardless of the needs of the Denver broncos, he was going to take the BPA according to his list in every round no matter what.
Its irrelevent that theres absolutely no need to draft a safety this high with out addressing the NT or DE positions. He doesnt care.
He has a list, and that what hes going off, Period.

He definitely went the BPA route. I would've been pissed if we took Orakpo, he got taken to the shed by a freakin te, Pettigrew. If we reached for a fat boy to clog up the middle and he didn't get a lick of pt this year, it's a waste. At least the first three guys will get plenty of pt.

TonyR
04-25-2009, 07:17 PM
I've been a McD supporter all the way but this draft has me a little puzzled. I'm a little unclear on what the plan is along the front 7. Among other thigns we had to come out of this draft with a NT and we're not going to do it. The only thing I can figure is McD is planning to go after Wilfork for next season who will be a UFA after this season, and the Pats just drafted Brace to replace him. But you can't go into this season expected to get him so that can't be the plan. I'm confused. The front 7 is still going to be overmatched, particularly in a new system.

yerner
04-25-2009, 07:20 PM
sean smith?

frerottenextelway
04-25-2009, 07:21 PM
...... and even with our brutal schedule we're going to make the playoffs.

Laz

the teams we face have a sub .500 record last year.

rastaman
04-25-2009, 07:23 PM
My God. Shoot me know. Alphonso Smith could be worth all that, but for a first, that we could use to go after a QB that we really could need next year?

Are you really trying to tell me that 10 picks this year is not enough, you really need one more? That you could not pair a third and second to move up? That BJ Raji wasn't worth pairing the firsts to move up?

McDaniels must win this year. He won't be around next otherwise.

Don't worry....Bowlen will keep McD at least 4 or 5 years!!!! McD was determined to reshape the Broncos image offensively to erase all memory and signs of the offensive players drafted by Shanahan btwn 2006, 2007, and 2008!!!

Watch how many Shanahan offensive players that won't make it thru training camp!!! Next season the McD's Broncos will be drafting in the top 5. What else do you expect from an inexperienced egotistic-lying azz 32 rookie NFL head coach.

Atwater His Ass
04-25-2009, 07:23 PM
Accept if he's going the BPA route, why the **** do you trade a first round pick to move up a couple spots in the 2nd round to draft a position of non-need? Doesn't make any sense at all.

Atwater His Ass
04-25-2009, 07:27 PM
Don't worry....Bowlen will keep McD at least 4 or 5 years!!!! McD was determined to reshape the Broncos image offensively to erase all memory and signs of the offensive players drafted by Shanahan btwn 2006, 2007, and 2008!!!

Watch how many Shanahan offensive players that won't make it thru training camp!!! Next season the McD's Broncos will be drafting in the top 5. What else do you expect from an inexperienced egotistic-lying azz 32 rookie NFL head coach.

Again, because you obviously missed it, NFL network reported that the pick we traded to move up for Smith was OUR pick, NOT the Chicago pick.

Gcver2ver3
04-25-2009, 07:28 PM
I've been a McD supporter all the way but this draft has me a little puzzled. I'm a little unclear on what the plan is along the front 7. Among other thigns we had to come out of this draft with a NT and we're not going to do it. The only thing I can figure is McD is planning to go after Wilfork for next season who will be a UFA after this season, and the Pats just drafted Brace to replace him. But you can't go into this season expected to get him so that can't be the plan. I'm confused. The front 7 is still going to be overmatched, particularly in a new system.

i hear ya...and i'm a big McD supporter as well...

but i just don't understand why we haven't addressed d-line...

i thought we might trade up for Raji or Brace and it didn't happen...

who is going to play NT?...

tesnyde
04-25-2009, 07:32 PM
The only thing i can conclude is mcd happy meal thinks he can score a lot, then turn to the running game, and force the other team to pass against champ, dawkins, and these draft picks.

I like knowshawn but i am not sure he is better than hillis.

Atwater His Ass
04-25-2009, 07:33 PM
i hear ya...and i'm a big McD supporter as well...

but i just don't understand why we haven't addressed d-line...

i thought we might trade up for Raji or Brace and it didn't happen...

who is going to play NT?...

I predict whomever losses the heated battle of awesome proven NFL QB's, Orton or Simms will be lining up at NT.

Atwater His Ass
04-25-2009, 07:34 PM
The only thing i can conclude is mcd happy meal thinks he can score a lot, then turn to the running game, and force the other team to pass against champ, dawkins, and these draft picks.

I like knowshawn but i am not sure he is better than hillis.

Forcing people to pass on you when you can't get any QB pressure sure has worked out for us in the past huh.

snowspot66
04-25-2009, 07:34 PM
Let's be honest here. Rookie linemen are probably not going to light the world on fire and especially so in a 3-4. In fact they would probably struggle just as much if not more than the guys we already have. Add to that the fact that every single one of them had bust concerns (I don't remember a draft where practically every player had half saying bust and half saying star). If we drafted linemen high odds are they would not have played much, would have played poorly, or would have just flatout sucked and been busts from day one.

Along with a ****ty line this past year we had the leagues worst safeties, aging and almost irrelevant CBs, and a carousel of one good RB and a bunch of 4th string scrubs rotating from the stretcher to the huddle.

We needed solid players across the field. We took solid players and a couple that have some major potential from day one. I would bet they'll all get more playing time individually this year than Moss and Crowder have combined in their careers. That's what happens when you take good players instead of forcing linemen because you need them.

I'm surprisingly ok with how the day turned out. Yeah we could have hoped and prayed and chosen a batch of linemen. We may have even gotten a player or two out of it in a couple of years if we were really lucky. But our defense next year would have been complete **** without a doubt anyway.

We all know that you can't build a good defense back to front but we also need to realize that we don't even have a back at this point. We had a back several years ago with Lynch and Champ in his prime. We don't even have that now. I'm much happier to take solid players that will almost assuredly contribute from day one (at positions of need) than hope the top end of a weak class will be our saving grace. At least this way we are guaranteed of some improvement even if it isn't in the spots we were all hoping for. The whole defense needed fixing and if the linemen aren't there for it then why **** around and try to wish it into reality?

epicSocialism4tw
04-25-2009, 07:35 PM
The McD jock strap (supporter) club just got a wake up call.

Really...what has this guy done to earn the right to do this to this franchise?

broncswin
04-25-2009, 07:37 PM
All of you guys who are pissed about what is going on, I totally understand. Great points have been made about how we wont make the playoffs next year with all of the sh*tty changes that have happened. We were much better off the last three years............OH SH*T THATS RIGHT, WE DIDN'T F-ING MAKE THE PLAYOFFS DURING THOSE YEARS EITHER!!


You guys dog this years draft already........Ya Shanny and crew were real wiz kids at the whole drafting part themselves.

GO BRONCOS

SportinOne
04-25-2009, 07:37 PM
The only thing i can conclude is mcd happy meal thinks he can score a lot, then turn to the running game, and force the other team to pass against champ, dawkins, and these draft picks.

I like knowshawn but i am not sure he is better than hillis.

Hillis is a workhorse, no doubt about it.. but seriously, Moreno is a great back.. He just won't have anywhere to run with no threat of a passing game. He's great but he's not Adrian Peterson.