Global Warming Whackos Not Too Confident In There Beliefs

[NaptownChief]

http://www.climatedepot.com/a/429/Report-Democrats-Refuse-to-Allow-Skeptic-to-Testify-Alongside-Gore-At-Congressional-Hearing

'House Democrats don't want Gore humiliated'

Climate Depot Exclusive


Washington, DC -- UK's Lord Christopher Monckton, a former science advisor to Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, claimed House Democrats have refused to allow him to appear alongside former Vice President Al Gore at a high profile global warming hearing on Friday April 24, 2009 at 10am in Washington. Monckton told Climate Depot that the Democrats rescinded his scheduled joint appearance at the House Energy and Commerce hearing on Friday. Monckton said he was informed that he would not be allowed to testify alongside Gore when his plane landed from England Thursday afternoon.

“The House Democrats don't want Gore humiliated, so they slammed the door of the Capitol in my face,” Monckton told Climate Depot in an exclusive interview. “They are cowards.”

According to Monckton, Rep. Joe Barton (R-Texas), Ranking Member on the Energy & Commerce Committee, had invited him to go head to head with Gore and testify at the hearing on Capitol Hill Friday. But Monckton now says that when his airplane from London landed in the U.S. on Thursday, he was informed that the former Vice-President had “chickened out” and there would be no joint appearance. Gore is scheduled to testify on Friday to the Subcommittee on Energy and the Environment's fourth day of hearings on the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009. The hearing will be held in 2123 Rayburn House Office Building.

According to Monckton, House Democrats told the Republican committee staff earlier this week that they would be putting forward an unnamed 'celebrity' as their star witness Friday at a multi-panel climate hearing examining the House global warming bill. The "celebrity" witness turned out to be Gore. Monckton said the GOP replied they would respond to the Democrats' "celebrity" with an unnamed "celebrity" of their own. But Monckton claims that when the Democrats were told who the GOP witness would be, they refused to allow him to testify alongside Gore.

“The Democrats have a lot to learn about the right of free speech under the US Constitution. Congress Henry Waxman's (D-CA) refusal to expose Al Gore's sci-fi comedy-horror testimony to proper, independent scrutiny by the House minority reeks of naked fear,” Monckton said from the airport Thursday evening.

“Waxman knows there has been no 'global warming' for at least a decade. Waxman knows there has been seven and a half years' global cooling. Waxman knows that, in the words of the UK High Court judge who condemned Gore's mawkish movie as materially, seriously, serially inaccurate, 'the Armageddon scenario that he depicts is not based on any scientific view,'” Monckton explained. Monckton has previously testified before the House Committee in March. (See: Monckton: Have the courage to do nothing...US Congress told climate change is not real ) Monckton has also publicly challenged Gore to a debate. (See: Al Gore Challenged to International TV Debate on Global Warming By Lord Monckton - March 19, 2007 )

A call to the Democratic office of the House Energy and Commerce Committee seeking comment was not immediately returned Thursday night.

[W*GS]

Monckton is a pud. He's got no credibility.

In the meantime:

Industry Ignored Its Scientists on Climate
By ANDREW C. REVKIN
Published: April 23, 2009

For more than a decade the Global Climate Coalition, a group representing industries with profits tied to fossil fuels, led an aggressive lobbying and public relations campaign against the idea that emissions of heat-trapping gases could lead to global warming.

“The role of greenhouse gases in climate change is not well understood,” the coalition said in a scientific “backgrounder” provided to lawmakers and journalists through the early 1990s, adding that “scientists differ” on the issue.

But a document filed in a federal lawsuit demonstrates that even as the coalition worked to sway opinion, its own scientific and technical experts were advising that the science backing the role of greenhouse gases in global warming could not be refuted.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/24/science/earth/24deny.html

[NaptownChief]

Monckton is a pud. He's got no credibility.





When I know what I am talking about I always enjoy debating against puds with no credibility rather than duck them.

Somebody doesn't have any credibility that will be talking on the hill today, that is for certain.

[W*GS]

Monckton is a known fraud when it comes to climate science.

He's about as credible on the subject as Dick Cheney is on Iraqi WMDs.

[gyldenlove]

Monckton is a known fraud when it comes to climate science.

He's about as credible on the subject as Dick Cheney is on Iraqi WMDs.

We finally agree on something.

I wouldn't want to testify with him because his nonsensical ramblings will devalue any serious evidence you can produce.

[Garcia Bronco]

If he's clueless then Gore should have no problem debating him.

[DBruleU]

Monckton is a pud. He's got no credibility.

In the meantime:



http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/24/science/earth/24deny.html

Blah blah blah...everyone that does not believe in man-made GW and the Earth is about to melt has no credibility. Typical response.

[W*GS]

When one of you denialists can show that Arrhenius was wrong:

ΔF = α ln(C/C02)

Then I'll listen.

[gyldenlove]

If he's clueless then Gore should have no problem debating him.

As someone who has tried, you can't debate with stupid. It is just not possible, you end up trying to argue basic truths instead of debating the actual case in question.

[Eldorado]

When one of you denialists can show that Arrhenius was wrong:

ΔF = α ln(C/C02)

Then I'll listen.

wuts ΔF in that eq?

[W*GS]

wuts ΔF in that eq?

Guess.

[Garcia Bronco]

wuts ΔF in that eq?

I believe it's temperature

[Eldorado]

Guess.

Its not temperature.

[Eldorado]

Guess.

So you don't know?

[Garcia Bronco]

So you don't know?

He knows. I don't see how it can be anything but temerpature or relate to temperature. It's an equation to basically figure out surface temperture based on CO2 levels if I reading it right.

[W*GS]

So you don't know?

Yes, I do. But to show me that you can understand the science, I want you to do the research yourself.

[Eldorado]

W/m2

[Eldorado]

Yes, I do. But to show me that you can understand the science, I want you to do the research yourself.

lol! Where did you get your degree?

[epicSocialism4tw]

wuts ΔF in that eq?

the triangle is X2-X1 for variable F.

[frerottenextelway]

It's a hoax. Even the guys at realclimate.org announced at the beginning of April that they're shutting down shop.

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Ha!

[Eldorado]

April fools!

[watermock]

If it's happening, we can't stop it by taxation, especially globaly. We've exzported our industry to China, and alot of the CO2 as well, plus they don't even use scrubers.

That's why I'm pro-new tech nuke along with solar ect.

It's the older generational nukes that are nearing or past their expected lifespan we should be worried about.

[Eldorado]

"If..."

:hitself:

[Eldorado]

the triangle is X2-X1 for variable F.

delta.

Thanks.

[NaptownChief]

When one of you denialists can show that Arrhenius was wrong:

ΔF = α ln(C/C02)

Then I'll listen.



A person can post the Black Scholes formula but that doesn't mean they know **** about stock options or finance.

[Eldorado]

A person can post the Black Scholes formula but that doesn't mean they know **** about stock options or finance.

Exactly. And any half wit retarded football ****ing monkey can hyperlink websites to some bull**** worthless tripe generated by mind****ing pugilist with an agenda.

Well said.

[Eldorado]

Ass.

[W*GS]

lol! Where did you get your degree?

I been doing this stuff for 20+ years, son.

[W*GS]

A person can post the Black Scholes formula but that doesn't mean they know **** about stock options or finance.

You still haven't shown that Arrhenius was wrong.

Try again.

[epicSocialism4tw]

delta.

Thanks.

Yes.

[barryr]

Some things never change. No matter how many degrees, work experience, study, credentials, etc. anyone has that happens to not go along with the "man is causing global warming" side, he/she is deemed a fraud, while anyone no matter how little experience they have or politician who has no experience investigating any of this on his own such as Gore, and happen to have ties to anti-capitalist groups no less who constantly when blaming "man" they are really blaming the U.S. are deemed "extremely knowledgable on the subject." Oh, forget that last part, it's just a coincidence. Ridiculous.

[Bronco Bob]

Some things never change. No matter how many degrees, work experience, study, credentials, etc. anyone has that happens to not go along with the "man is causing global warming" side, he/she is deemed a fraud, while anyone no matter how little experience they have or politician who has no experience investigating any of this on his own such as Gore, and happen to have ties to anti-capitalist groups no less who constantly when blaming "man" they are really blaming the U.S. are deemed "extremely knowledgable on the subject." Oh, forget that last part, it's just a coincidence. Ridiculous.

So are you trying to claim the global warming deniers aren't frauds?
Would you give any credence to a holocaust denier merely because
he had a lot of degrees and credentials?

[W*GS]

So are you trying to claim the global warming deniers aren't frauds?
Would you give any credence to a holocaust denier merely because
he had a lot of degrees and credentials?

Global warming deniers are about as credible, and moral, as Holocaust deniers.

****wads all.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

People who deny global warming are about as informed and educated as the internet conspiracy wackos. Science is a "terrible thing" to the religious right and the majority of right wingers.

[barryr]

Global warmists who belieVe man causes all ills and like only the facts that agree with their own beliefs are stupid****s and since they must be part of the problem, need to save the planet and jump off a cliff.

[Meck77]

Going on 18 straight days of rain in the Rocky Mountains. We had record snow pack last year and above average this year.

I've never seen this much rain hit Colorado consistently. I could use some global warming about now!

yeah yeah I know. The global warming is make it rain and snow like a mother ****er here.

[watermock]

The carbon tax will be used to finance the IMF global bank which will replace the bretton/woods dollar.

[frerottenextelway]

Going on 18 straight days of rain in the Rocky Mountains. We had record snow pack last year and above average this year.

I've never seen this much rain hit Colorado consistently. I could use some global warming about now!

yeah yeah I know. The global warming is make it rain and snow like a mother ****er here.

The difference between weather and climate is like the difference between football and knitting.

[watermock]

Make sure you give those goats their H1M1 shots!

[Rohirrim]

Whether or not anthropogenic global climate change is real or not is besides the point. As this thread proves, it doesn't matter. All the crazy ape (homo infestus) can do is fight. He will continue to fight as his world falls down around his ears. As the seas become devoid of fish, the forests disappear, and the soil turns to salt, he will continue to fight. And he will fight down to the last ape.

Don't believe me? Go visit Rapa Nui.

[Rohirrim]

When one of you denialists can show that Arrhenius was wrong:

ΔF = α ln(C/C02)

Then I'll listen.

Now, let's have the English major version. Ha!

[cutthemdown]

When exactly do the global warming people think we will start to see some of the big effects they talk about?

I was just wondering what the time frame is. If it still 20-30 yrs away at this rate? or are we closer then that in their opinion?

We are supposed to see massive flooding, droughts that kill tons of crops, massive hurricanes and storms and animal species dying off.

[Rohirrim]

When exactly do the global warming people think we will start to see some of the big effects they talk about?

I was just wondering what the time frame is. If it still 20-30 yrs away at this rate? or are we closer then that in their opinion?

We are supposed to see massive flooding, droughts that kill tons of crops, massive hurricanes and storms and animal species dying off.

Knock yourself out:
http://www.climatehotmap.org/

[Spider]

LOL Listen up people , everyone knows me and WGS argue just about everything , but when it comes to Climate Issues , I shut the **** up cause the boy knows what he is talking about .... too many ****ing morons go to google , google it , then act as if they know the score ......... It is like this , you can google how to drive a truck , but until you are up here in the cab you dont know **** .............

[Bronco Bob]

When exactly do the global warming people think we will start to see some of the big effects they talk about?

I was just wondering what the time frame is. If it still 20-30 yrs away at this rate? or are we closer then that in their opinion?

We are supposed to see massive flooding, droughts that kill tons of crops, massive hurricanes and storms and animal species dying off.

It's the frog in the pot scenario. Throw a frog in a pot of boiling water
and it will jump right out again. Put the frog in a pot of cold water and
turn on the heat and the frog will stay put until it is boiled to death.
When are we going to see what is predicted. We are already seeing it.
Floods and Hurricanes? Don't remember New Orleans and Galveston?
Animals dying off? http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20090612/sc_livescience/reindeercariboupopulationsplunge
And like the frog in the pot it is happening just gradually enough that
the deniers refuse to see it.

[cutthemdown]

It's the frog in the pot scenario. Throw a frog in a pot of boiling water
and it will jump right out again. Put the frog in a pot of cold water and
turn on the heat and the frog will stay put until it is boiled to death.
When are we going to see what is predicted. We are already seeing it.
Floods and Hurricanes? Don't remember New Orleans and Galveston?
Animals dying off? http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20090612/sc_livescience/reindeercariboupopulationsplunge
And like the frog in the pot it is happening just gradually enough that
the deniers refuse to see it.

Ok if those are Global Warming then what were the flood and hurricanes in the past that were just as big, just as frequent as now?

IMO life adapts because the Earth changes slowly. I'm not doubting animals might die off, only saying some other animals will adapt, thrive, and make up for it.

So you are saying New Orleans Katrina was a global warming hurricane and somehow different then other ones going back to 1500-1600 whatever, 1800's? Didn't they have some big storms back then as well? Hasn't the Earth always been sort of volatile? Volcanoes, earthquakes, hurricanes, twister, tidal wives etc?

[cutthemdown]

That was a cool link Rho but haven't animals been shifting there range to adapt to the Earth since the start? I'm still not convinced it will be this drastic thing that we can't live or that it's even a trend that won't stop at some point.

I can say this I spend a lot of time in southern calif waters and they are teeming with life. Whales, fish, sea lions, everything. Of course I'm no biologist I just have a lot of faith in the ocean to adapt. If it warms it will still be teeming with life just some species will either adapt or die out.

You can't stop the co2 so IMO better to spent the money on building sea walls, agriculture that can with stand hotter temps etc etc.

Let's say it is Co2 that is the main problem. Do you really think in 50 yrs we will spew less of it? IMO more and more countries growing. The next China probably Brazil. The next India could be Indonesia etc etc etc.

[sisterhellfyre]

When one of you denialists can show that Arrhenius was wrong:

ΔF = α ln(C/C02)

Then I'll listen.

Not a denialist, but I'm curious enough to try it... the delta symbol usually refers to change in a variable. I'm guessing the 'F' refers to the Fahrenheit temperature scale. No idea what the @-ish symbol is, but the Carbon and Carbon Dioxide looks like a division problem, probably expressed as a percentage ratio. I'm chickening out to say "equals or related to" because I don't recognize the first two expressions after the equal sign.

So, I'm guessing... change in temperature (equals or related to) ratio of carbon to carbon dioxide?

How's that?

[Rohirrim]

That was a cool link Rho but haven't animals been shifting there range to adapt to the Earth since the start? I'm still not convinced it will be this drastic thing that we can't live or that it's even a trend that won't stop at some point.

I can say this I spend a lot of time in southern calif waters and they are teeming with life. Whales, fish, sea lions, everything. Of course I'm no biologist I just have a lot of faith in the ocean to adapt. If it warms it will still be teeming with life just some species will either adapt or die out.

You can't stop the co2 so IMO better to spent the money on building sea walls, agriculture that can with stand hotter temps etc etc.

Let's say it is Co2 that is the main problem. Do you really think in 50 yrs we will spew less of it? IMO more and more countries growing. The next China probably Brazil. The next India could be Indonesia etc etc etc.

In other words: Since it's going to happen anyway, might as well lie back and enjoy it?

[cutthemdown]

In other words: Since it's going to happen anyway, might as well lie back and enjoy it?

No more like if it's happening let's prepare for it instead of wasting the effort trying to stop something you can't stop.

I'd rather spend the money on drought resistent crops then trying to cut Co2 etc etc. You can't cut Co2 because to many other countries will be spewing more and more.

Smart move is to position USA to adapt the best of all the countries. We can prepare for higher sea levels and let China sink etc.

[barryr]

The global warmists have a tendency to make bold, scare tactic predictions, but are ready for excuses when those don't come to pass. It's hot, it's global warming. No wait, it's colder than usual, it's global cooling, which was caused by global warming. The ozone layer is going away. No wait, it isn't, but cows passed gas, so... They must be the same people predicting the end of the world every year, which has been going on for decades. Would be nice if they could find a scientist who believes man is causing this global warming, or global cooling, that doesn't have ties to some lefty organization that is anti-capitalist and looking to harm America's economy even more than has happened recently.

[W*GS]

It would be nice to find a denialist who doesn't think global warming is some of left-wing conspiracy to take away his toys.

[cutthemdown]

Global warming is probably a little of both. Being exploited by the left to further there goals. Probably being ignored by the right because they don't want to thwart big business as usual.

I think that if it is co2 that is causing it then there isn't much we can do. The more people earth has the more co2 we will spew. India and China will make sure of that.

[barryr]

The Sun is also hotter than it ever has been, at least in recorded time, but the global warmists like to dismiss this as well. They can't tie that to man causing that, so can't be happening. Not to mention they change their story, global warming, no, global cooling, massive, numerous hurricanes, no wait, no, not many afterall. But they have all the answers though. Right.