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Tombstone RJ
04-21-2009, 09:00 PM
Ryan Clady at number 8 and Eddie Royal at number 5. Broncos the only team with 2 of the top 10 picks.

SnowGoose77
04-21-2009, 09:05 PM
It's a good thing we got rid of the Goodmans. Wouldn't want that to happen again.:oyvey: Hoping we can do as well again however. We're in position to pull another one off.

TheDave
04-21-2009, 09:05 PM
Royal ahead of Clady?

Wow... didn't see that coming. Still good for us :thumbs:

24champ
04-21-2009, 09:09 PM
Ya the Goodmans sucked.

Another excellent move by the great Bowlen.

epicSocialism4tw
04-21-2009, 09:26 PM
Ryan Clady at number 8 and Eddie Royal at number 5. Broncos the only team with 2 of the top 10 picks.

Again this shows how clueless these people are.

Clady might be the best player taken out of that draft.

orange crusher
04-21-2009, 10:21 PM
I didn't see the show, but it says top 10 picks not top 10 players. I'm assuming that they considered where they were taken in the draft as well. Clady was the 12th pick, Royal the 42nd.

bpc
04-21-2009, 10:35 PM
Perfect reason to scrap a team that was on the way up, just because they suffered numerous amounts of injuries on offense and defense.

Now we're back at ground zero.

RMT
04-21-2009, 10:47 PM
the goodmans and shanahan had TWO good drafts and everyone's acting like our draft prowess disappeared when those guys were fired ... give me a break. the Broncos have struck out more often than hitting home runs, which is why they've really struggled on the defensive side of the ball. not just with the draft but also with free agency.

SonOfLe-loLang
04-21-2009, 10:52 PM
You guys really need to get over the Goodman thing....really. Royal, yes...fantastic. Lets not pretend Clady was some stroke of genius when 90 percent of this board wanted him too.

ZONA
04-21-2009, 10:53 PM
the goodmans and shanahan had TWO good drafts and everyone's acting like our draft prowess disappeared when those guys were fired ... give me a break.


I know, kinda funny huh.

Florida_Bronco
04-21-2009, 10:59 PM
Ya the Goodmans sucked.

Another excellent move by the great Bowlen.

We still got the same scouts. We're gonna be just fine.

24champ
04-21-2009, 11:11 PM
We still got the same scouts. We're gonna be just fine.

Scouts don't matter in the grand scheme of things. It's the guy at the top.

worm
04-21-2009, 11:21 PM
You guys really need to get over the Goodman thing....really. Royal, yes...fantastic. Lets not pretend Clady was some stroke of genius when 90 percent of this board wanted him too.

90%. Really? Or did the majority want Chris Williams? Especially after the wonderlics.

It is so easy in hindsight to say it wasn't that hard.

ton80
04-21-2009, 11:29 PM
Perfect reason to scrap a team that was on the way up, just because they suffered numerous amounts of injuries on offense and defense.

Now we're back at ground zero.

Not even close to ground zero. I don't understand the negativism. One of the few things I know about NFL football is that a studly o-line can carry a team a long ****in way and the Broncos do have a studly O-line and the talent on this o-line is independent of who the coach is. Talent is talent.

For this reason alone, we're not starting at ground zero. Stop chugging sour owl **** for your breakfast each morning.

BroncoMan4ever
04-21-2009, 11:40 PM
Again this shows how clueless these people are.

Clady might be the best player taken out of that draft.

agreed. if that draft were redone now, with everything we now know about last years rookies, Clady could go as high as number 1 but would probably go number 3(Ryan and Flacco go ahead of him only because of position they play and excelled at) and Royal wouldn't make it out of the top 10.

Woodyard would probably get some notice as a mid round guy as well.

epicSocialism4tw
04-21-2009, 11:43 PM
agreed. if that draft were redone now, with everything we now know about last years rookies, Clady could go as high as number 1 but would probably go number 3(Ryan and Flacco go ahead of him only because of position they play and excelled at) and Royal wouldn't make it out of the top 10.

Woodyard would probably get some notice as a mid round guy as well.

So...you would agree with the statement that a franchise QB is worth more than anything else that we have on the roster?

On a similar note, Ryan is worlds better than Flacco. Flacco did a good job of playing Trent Dilfer last season. We'll see if he can blossom into a franchise QB.

Florida_Bronco
04-22-2009, 12:13 AM
Scouts don't matter in the grand scheme of things. It's the guy at the top.

Sure they do.

OrangeRising
04-22-2009, 12:16 AM
Royal ahead of Clady?

Wow... didn't see that coming. Still good for us :thumbs:

I thought I saw, or read something somewhere that had a 'do-over' of the '08 draft and Ryan Clady was the #1 pick.

Eddie Royal is special though. I had no idea whatsoever who he was when he was drafted. I honestly thought it was another Shanahan 'flyer'.

24champ
04-22-2009, 12:27 AM
Sure they do.

No they don't.

We have guys on the scouting staff that have been scouting for the Broncos for 10-30 years. About 3 of them are relatively new to the Broncos. The scouts are told what type of players to look for and at the end of the day, the guy that makes the pick is the guy at the top (McDaniels) not the scouts.

bap454
04-22-2009, 12:38 AM
Royal ahead of Clady?

Wow... didn't see that coming. Still good for us :thumbs:


Even better .... Clady ahead of Jake Long.... about freaking time!!

Florida_Bronco
04-22-2009, 12:52 AM
No they don't.

We have guys on the scouting staff that have been scouting for the Broncos for 10-30 years. About 3 of them are relatively new to the Broncos. The scouts are told what type of players to look for and at the end of the day, the guy that makes the pick is the guy at the top (McDaniels) not the scouts.

Yeah, and we removed the guy who, up until recently, sucked at drafting.

Our scouts know what they're doing, and I bet McDaniels has a much better draft than the average Shanahan draft.

24champ
04-22-2009, 12:57 AM
Yeah, and we removed the guy who, up until recently, sucked at drafting.


It's well known that the Goodmans ran the last couple drafts, not Shanahan. So you are wrong there.


Our scouts know what they're doing, and I bet McDaniels has a much better draft than the average Shanahan draft.

He better have a good draft, the onus is on him. If he doesn't, his career will be a short one in Denver.

Florida_Bronco
04-22-2009, 01:01 AM
It's well known that the Goodmans ran the last couple drafts, not Shanahan. So you are wrong there. You mean like sorting out the scout's observations for Shanny? Yeah, we can have someone else do that. Easily replaced.

24champ
04-22-2009, 01:07 AM
You mean like sorting out the scout's observations for Shanny?

Goodmans had more sway than just "sorting it out" for Shanny.

Yeah, we can have someone else do that. Easily replaced.

Someone else? I have yet to see that person. It's clearly not Xanders who if anyone needs their papers stapled at meetings, Xanders will be holding the stapler.

Florida_Bronco
04-22-2009, 01:35 AM
Goodmans had more sway than just "sorting it out" for Shanny.

That's fine. Removing Shanny from the drafting process will offset whatever small amount (if anything at all) we lost with the Goodmans.

lex
04-22-2009, 01:41 AM
Not even close to ground zero. I don't understand the negativism. One of the few things I know about NFL football is that a studly o-line can carry a team a long ****in way and the Broncos do have a studly O-line and the talent on this o-line is independent of who the coach is. Talent is talent.

For this reason alone, we're not starting at ground zero. Stop chugging sour owl **** for your breakfast each morning.

And the people most responsible for that talent (the Goodmans) are now gone as a result of the regime change even after Bowlen said Goodman isnt going anywhere. They did get good players on defense but the guys didnt see the field enough. Larsen, Dumervile, Woodyard, Barrett, and Marcus Thomas were all taken no sooner than the third round.

24champ
04-22-2009, 01:42 AM
That's fine. Removing Shanny from the drafting process will offset whatever small amount (if anything at all) we lost with the Goodmans.

You don't know that, we will have to wait and see. The onus is on McDaniels to step up to the plate.

BTW that "studly" O-line we got? Was that just some flukey drafting by the previous regime?