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enjolras
05-23-2009, 05:56 PM
Tough call on J.R....

I'm going to call it now... The Nuggets aren't getting any help from the refs.

watermock
05-23-2009, 06:04 PM
Denver rackingup the fouls on LA!

FADERPROOF
05-23-2009, 06:06 PM
Until this series, I thought the Lakers had whiny fans...

enjolras
05-23-2009, 06:06 PM
Nuggets where far to good in that quarter to only be up by 2. That's bad news... letting them hang around.

enjolras
05-23-2009, 06:07 PM
Until this series, I thought the Lakers had whiny fans...

Blow me.

watermock
05-23-2009, 06:15 PM
Denver taking poor 3's or the're up 10.

slyinky
05-23-2009, 06:25 PM
Please get Carter out of there.

watermock
05-23-2009, 06:37 PM
I REALLY miss Michael A. Smith!

Spider
05-23-2009, 06:39 PM
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooo Nuggies

Doggcow
05-23-2009, 06:42 PM
Wow, who called that Technical in? **** you refs.

enjolras
05-23-2009, 06:44 PM
It's really hard to be a fan of the NBA. It really is.

I wish Cuban would have made good on his threat to start a rival league.

theAPAOps5
05-23-2009, 06:45 PM
You know the refs in the NBA should all be fired. They are the worse officials in pro sports. They have made horrid calls on both sides.

watermock
05-23-2009, 07:08 PM
How did Nene pick up that foul on Kobe? Breath on him?

Doggcow
05-23-2009, 07:13 PM
How did Nene pick up that foul on Kobe? Breath on him?

Same way Doom doesn't get anything called on the chokeholds.

PaintballCLE
05-23-2009, 07:16 PM
How did Nene pick up that foul on Kobe? Breath on him?

If we took out all the posts about nuggets fans complaining about the refs/fouls i think this thread would have 50 pages instead of 111.


seriously refs aren't perfect.......in any game in any sport.

But complaining that every missed shot by the nuggets there was a missed foul, and every foul call on the nuggets is rediculous.

::mock, this isn't on you, i just replied to the newest one i saw.::

Doggcow
05-23-2009, 07:16 PM
Kobe should give acting lessons. ****.

Doggcow
05-23-2009, 07:17 PM
Wow, Nuggets have to be 20pts better today for sure. They definately are ****ing them, that was out on Bynum for sure.

Doggcow
05-23-2009, 07:17 PM
No foul on the Martin knockdown? WHAT THE ****

Doggcow
05-23-2009, 07:19 PM
Cmon Nane!

watermock
05-23-2009, 07:20 PM
WWF basketball

Doggcow
05-23-2009, 07:20 PM
WOW THEY T'D UP LA! Thats amazing.

Doggcow
05-23-2009, 07:22 PM
Make up call on Nane now...

Doggcow
05-23-2009, 07:23 PM
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWW! Anderson just got mugged, no ****ing call? Holy ****.

Doggcow
05-23-2009, 07:25 PM
He slashes Melo in the eye and Melo gets the foul, really.

PaintballCLE
05-23-2009, 07:27 PM
If we took out all the posts about nuggets fans complaining about the refs/fouls i think this thread would have 50 pages instead of 111.


seriously refs aren't perfect.......in any game in any sport.

But complaining that every missed shot by the nuggets there was a missed foul, and every foul call on the nuggets is rediculous.

::mock, this isn't on you, i just replied to the newest one i saw.::

Doggcow He slashes Melo in the eye and Melo gets the foul, really.
05-23-2009 07:23 PM
Doggcow WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWW! Anderson just got mugged, no ****ing call? Holy ****.
05-23-2009 07:22 PM
Doggcow Make up call on Nane now...
05-23-2009 07:20 PM
Doggcow WOW THEY T'D UP LA! Thats amazing.
05-23-2009 07:20 PM
watermock WWF basketball
05-23-2009 07:19 PM
Doggcow Cmon Nane!
05-23-2009 07:17 PM
Doggcow No foul on the Martin knockdown? WHAT THE ****
05-23-2009 07:17 PM
Doggcow Wow, Nuggets have to be 20pts better today for sure. They definately are ****ing them, that was out on Bynum for sure.
05-23-2009 07:16 PM
Doggcow Kobe should give acting lessons. ****.

the next 9 posts after my post..... i rest my case

FADERPROOF
05-23-2009, 07:27 PM
WOW THEY T'D UP LA! Thats amazing.

That has to piss nuggets fans off, that technical just did away with the "the refs are out to get us, waaah!" excuse.

watermock
05-23-2009, 07:27 PM
Billups is wayoff

Doggcow
05-23-2009, 07:28 PM
Woooooooooooow. Thats a foul on anderson? This is pathetic.

watermock
05-23-2009, 07:31 PM
Damn this is a rough game.

Doggcow
05-23-2009, 07:37 PM
Billups, there it is!

Doggcow
05-23-2009, 07:39 PM
Wow JR, had to go and bark. Save it til the press conference! Damnit.

watermock
05-23-2009, 07:39 PM
Just wow

FADERPROOF
05-23-2009, 07:41 PM
good quarter, nuggets. Now close it out strong and take the series lead.

PaintballCLE
05-23-2009, 07:56 PM
quick someone better refill the gatorade.......seems like the nuggets are choking

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-23-2009, 08:10 PM
Just checking in and it's just as I'd imagined - nothing but posts about the officiating. Get over it. It's the NBA.

And is that Moreno in the crowd?

DBruleU
05-23-2009, 08:11 PM
Just checking in and it's just as I'd imagined - nothing but posts about the officiating. Get over it. It's the NBA.

And is that Moreno in the crowd?

Yeah I noticed him too. White shirt near the Lakers bench.

TheManeMan
05-23-2009, 08:17 PM
queue up ALF's black mamba pic/post....

Doggcow
05-23-2009, 08:22 PM
Again?!

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-23-2009, 08:23 PM
Nice showing by Carmelo.

NFLBRONCO
05-23-2009, 08:23 PM
I was afraid of this too much yap yap by nuggets

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-23-2009, 08:26 PM
K-Mart may be a tenacious defender, but he's a dumbass.

Punisher
05-23-2009, 08:27 PM
Get them the **** outta here lets go!

GO LAKERS!!

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-23-2009, 08:29 PM
Chooooooooooooke.

4th quarter lead, haven't lost at home in forever, momentum on your side, your star having a great playoff run, Lakers wearing down, athletic advantage, and...

Choke.

watermock
05-23-2009, 08:30 PM
This the second time Karl has ****ed up the inbouinds play.

Where is the backcourt outlet. ****ing moron. We could be up 3-0.

slyinky
05-23-2009, 08:32 PM
Really, Karl? K-Mart to inbound? Hmmm, I give up.

watermock
05-23-2009, 08:34 PM
Karl the coach.

Both times in losses he had only one outlet.

Both were game clinchers when the game was even.

slyinky
05-23-2009, 08:36 PM
Karl the coach.

Both times in losses he had only one outlet.

Both were game clinchers when the game was even.
What was it that Einstein said about insanity?

Punisher
05-23-2009, 08:37 PM
http://www.slamdunkcentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/capt_ea85a9d6c9cd4d19b3264231e858ae03_lakers_super sonics_basketball_waet108.jpg
Trevor Ariza has stolen this Thread AGAIN!!

DHallblows
05-23-2009, 08:37 PM
Do we even work on inbounds in practice ??? I can't believe that happened :pity:

watermock
05-23-2009, 08:38 PM
Someone needs to beat George like a mule till he figures it out to have 2 players avaiable for the inbounds pass. ****, they had to call time out, and still ****ed it up.

watermock
05-23-2009, 08:39 PM
Do we even work on inbounds in practice ??? I can't believe that happened :pity:

Twice in a tie game.

Kid A
05-23-2009, 08:40 PM
The inbounding issues are a joke at this point. Unbelievable. Whatever Karl is drawing up + execution= unacceptable.

Frustrating to lose down the stretch again like this, but you can look back to the game long shooting woes to see why it even came down to this. Billups off his game, Melo disappearing in the second half.

On the other side, I thought Gasol took charge and was the deciding factor for the Lakers. When plays like that we're going to have a tough time slowing them down.

watermock
05-23-2009, 08:43 PM
Well, ****.

Feels almost like the Broncos of the 80's. Almost.

Rulon Velvet Jones
05-23-2009, 08:43 PM
Nuggets likely win if K-Mart isn't in the game for the last 2 minutes. Seriously, the guy is borderline retarded.

Tell his mom I said that.

watermock
05-23-2009, 08:45 PM
Got to shut down either, both Gas and Kobe killed us, and WTF with the wild 3's tonight?

watermock
05-23-2009, 08:47 PM
Oh well, it's only basketball...

****!

Kid A
05-23-2009, 08:49 PM
Got to shut down either, both Gas and Kobe killed us, and WTF with the wild 3's tonight?

We'd have been up double digits at the half easy if we were hitting at our normal percentage. Started hitting a few in the second half, but not nearly enough consistency. Billups' walk up three just wasn't falling.

And, again, Melo was a non-factor in the second half. Part of that was a long sit in the third, but he really needed to take control late.

Bronco Yoda
05-23-2009, 08:55 PM
http://ivyleagueil.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/kobe-bryant-6-med.jpg

Nothing to see here..... move along

cutthemdown
05-23-2009, 09:04 PM
I have respect for Nuggets now. They have some players I didn't realize were so good. This is a great series and Nuggets fighting hard. Harder then the lakers.

Kobe, Ariza, Gasol won tonights game.

Mr.Meanie
05-23-2009, 09:04 PM
Wow Kobe raped the Nugs again

bombay
05-23-2009, 09:32 PM
The Nuggets haven't played that poorly in a couple of months. Had they been playing someone like Portland they'd have lost by 25.

The third quarter was a clinic on how to steal a teams aggressiveness. Kudos to danny crawford.

watermock
05-23-2009, 09:38 PM
I feel like i passed on a 15 year old virgin.

Again.

Mr.Meanie
05-23-2009, 09:41 PM
I feel like i passed on a 15 year old virgin.

Again.

:nono:

Kaylore
05-23-2009, 09:52 PM
Nuggets deserved to lose. This game pisses me off so much. The Lakers were giving us the game with their crappy free throws and strange inability to shoot the three and we pissed down our own leg offensively never capitalizing once. I haven't see so many crappy jump shots from this team all year. Our FG percentage was in the thirties. FAIL.

Nuggets deserved to lose. We left our offense in LA.

Maximus
05-23-2009, 09:53 PM
The Nuggets haven't played that poorly in a couple of months. Had they been playing someone like Portland they'd have lost by 25.

The third quarter was a clinic on how to steal a teams aggressiveness. Kudos to danny crawford.

Just call this thread the Blame the Refs Thread. What a joke... why not admit that the nuggets just missed too many open shots to win the game. The Lakers were letting the nuggets off the hook all night by missing 15 foul shots. Don't talk about the stupid shots that trash talking JR Smith took and missed. How about Carmelo the choker only taking 4 shots... I guess the lakers don't deserve credit for denying him the ball. I won't even talk about Kenyon "Meltdown" Martins stellar passing abilities or your stupid coach! This series should be 3-0 right now... consider the nuggets fortunate to have won a game!

Bronco X
05-23-2009, 09:56 PM
The Nuggets should have been blowing them out by the end of the 3rd but no one could hit shots. Not a single Nugget had a good shooting night. All game. Despite this they were in control through 3.

Inexcusable choke job in the 4th none the less. I think their poor shooting got into the teams collective head, and the Lakers took away the easy offense they had all night.

They gotta shake this one off and keep playing the way they have been through stretches.... if they bring it every quarter from here on out they can still win the series but even a single choke the rest of the way and they'll choke the whole thing away.

Kaylore
05-23-2009, 09:58 PM
Just call this thread the Blame the Refs Thread. What a joke... why not admit that the nuggets just missed too many open shots to win the game. The Lakers were letting the nuggets off the hook all night by missing 15 foul shots. Don't talk about the stupid shots that trash talking JR Smith took and missed. How about Carmelo the choker only taking 4 shots... I guess the lakers don't deserve credit for denying him the ball. I won't even talk about Kenyon "Meltdown" Martins stellar passing abilities or your stupid coach! This series should be 3-0 right now... consider the nuggets fortunate to have won a game!

Hey retard, there isn't one word in his post about the refs. You suck and the only ones in this thread whining about the refs are the Laker fans. Go read A.L.F's post. Pretty much every game, even the ones the Lakers win, he's pissing and moaning about the refs screwing the Lakers.

bombay
05-23-2009, 10:02 PM
Easily the worst game the nuggets have played since the last regular season game against Portland. Imagine what a good team would have done to them.

Maximus
05-23-2009, 10:09 PM
Hey retard, there isn't one word in his post about the refs. You suck and the only ones in this thread whining about the refs are the Laker fans. Go read A.L.F's post. Pretty much every game, even the ones the Lakers win, he's pissing and moaning about the refs screwing the Lakers.

Retard LOL you can't read... Danny Crawford is a Ref idiot!

Mr.Meanie
05-23-2009, 10:12 PM
Hey retard, there isn't one word in his post about the refs. You suck and the only ones in this thread whining about the refs are the Laker fans. Go read A.L.F's post. Pretty much every game, even the ones the Lakers win, he's pissing and moaning about the refs screwing the Lakers.

Um... check page 111. It's pretty only crying about the refs by the nuggets fans.

The bottom line is the lakers did their best to give that win to the nuggets. They just choked it away.

Melo is not as good as everyone seems to think. He will have one ridiculously good game, and then just disappear once he starts getting accolades. Beyond that, the only other player that actually executed was Birdman... even Billips just looked bad.

I have no idea why Klieza isn't starting along with Birdman.... they just play.

On that note... Fisher is a joke. He's the absolute weakest link on the Lakers team at this point in his career...while Farmar and Brown are playing really well.

DBruleU
05-23-2009, 10:16 PM
Um... check page 111. It's pretty only crying about the refs by the nuggets fans.

The bottom line is the lakers did their best to give that win to the nuggets. They just choked it away.

Melo is not as good as everyone seems to think. He will have one ridiculously good game, and then just disappear once he starts getting accolades. Beyond that, the only other player that actually executed was Birdman... even Billips just looked bad.

I have no idea why Klieza isn't starting along with Birdman.... they just play.

On that note... Fisher is a joke. He's the absolute weakest link on the Lakers team at this point in his career...while Farmar and Brown are playing really well.

Melo not as good? The dude's played out of his mind in these playoffs, and had 5 conescutive games until tonight with 30 pts or more.

It wasn't just Melo. The entire team played horrible tonight. With the way the Lakers started the game there is no reason the Nuggets shouldn't have been up by 20 at the half. Just poor poor shooting.

I fully expect Billups to get things straight and this team will win game 4.

spdirty
05-23-2009, 10:16 PM
Tough one. After that third quarter the way they were shooting I felt like they shouldve been down 8 not up 8. Games 1 and 3 felt like they were thiiiiiiiis close to openng shlt up and getting up by 20, but stupid shot selection and missing wide open shots allowed the Lakers to steal both of their games.

Hell I felt like all 3 of these games were stolen though.

Have to win Game 4 now. Someone besides melo absolutely has to step up offensively.

Also, have to credit Kobe. That son of a bltch playing on the twisted ankle played his ass off tonight and was clutch. Once he hit that 3 to put em up by 1 in the last minute that was it. I hate that guy and the game shouldve been over by the 4th but have to give him his due.

Also, HCA means absolutely nothng n this series. Its whomever wants it more and executes in the 4th quarter. We have to win Games 4 and 5 now or its over.

DHallblows
05-23-2009, 10:25 PM
Wow Kobe raped the Nugs again

He does that a lot when he's in town...

bombay
05-23-2009, 10:30 PM
He does that a lot when he's in town...

You reckon he'll give the Nuggets eight figures to drop charges?

spdirty
05-23-2009, 10:33 PM
Now he has housekeeper issues. Wonder f the "intolerable conditions" were that she let him rape her regularly?

Kobe Bryant, wife countersue former housekeeper

<!--subtitle--><!--byline-->By The Associated Press

<!--date-->Posted: 05/23/2009 06:33:48 PM MDT
<!--secondary date-->Updated: 05/23/2009 06:34:37 PM MDT

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<script language="JavaScript"> if(requestedWidth > 0){ document.getElementById('articleViewerGroup').styl e.width = requestedWidth + "px"; document.getElementById('articleViewerGroup').styl e.margin = "0px 0px 10px 10px"; } </script>SANTA ANA, CALIF. — Kobe Bryant and his wife are suing their former housekeeper, accusing her of violating her contract by talking to the media about the family's private affairs.


The housekeeper initially sued the Los Angeles Lakers star and his wife, contending they harassed and humiliated her. The countersuit was filed Friday in Orange County Superior Court and says Maria Jimenez broke a confidentiality agreement she signed.


Jimenez said she was denied health insurance and forced to quit because of intolerable working conditions. The countersuit calls those allegations specious and frivolous.


The Bryants' attorney, Jon G. Daryanani, said he had no further comment. Jimenez's lawyer did not immediately return a call from The Associated Press.


http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_12438106

watermock
05-23-2009, 10:47 PM
Kobe should just buy the maid a rock like he did for his wife when he screwed around on her.

Boobs McGee
05-23-2009, 11:05 PM
WOW another ****ing crazy game!!!! Kobe finally decided to show up, although the nuggs were REALLY makin him work for shots. Gasol saved the day, played like a monster. Was at the Fox and Hound, so really didn't get to see every play, but seemed to me the nuggs had every opportunity to blow that thing wide open, especially at the end of the first half. We just kept hangin around...neither team is really hitting from the outside, and I wonder how much that would start changing the dynamic of these games. For instance, Sasha and J.R. start nailin threes, that starts to open up the interior game, I think we see more of nene and gasol. Melo and Kobe get a lot more open looks, the scores get crazy. We'll see. Both teams aren't living up to the perimiter shooting hype.

Kobe was really impressive to me tonight, a LOT of movement away from the ball to create open shots. Really started picking apart the Nuggs D towards the end there. He is the ****ing man. HUGE second half. Looked alot like the real kobe with the dunks, fadeaways and that oop.

Melo looked frustrated. Great job driving to the basket, a ton of hustle in the first half, but he wasn't finishing for **** tonight.

Anywho, another heart stopper! ****ING AWESOME PLAYOFFS SO FAR!!!!!

God this series rocks!

So much for home court haha GO LAKERS!!

Boobs McGee
05-23-2009, 11:07 PM
and p.s. our free throw shooting ****ING SUCKED! I don't know what the hell's goin on with lamar

Boobs McGee
05-23-2009, 11:08 PM
and p.P.s. Thank you trevor arieza for your D. That's two games now playa. STRONG

Mr.Meanie
05-23-2009, 11:08 PM
This is one of the best playoff years ever. First the Bulls/Celtics series... then the Magic/Celtics series, Lakers/Rockets series and then these last few unbelievable games. Lebron James clutch 3, Kobe's lights out performance. Awesome.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-23-2009, 11:14 PM
I have a feeling Lakers win tonight. Too much talk of 16 or 19 straight home wins.

Wow.

Even though we we played a mediocre game, put forth another miserable, lackluster effort on defense, choked at the FT line all night, and were playing on the road, we still managed to win.

PJ's coaching was only slightly less bone-headed than in game 2 (when he went away from the lineup and the strategy that gave us that 14 point lead.)

Lakers look tired, but I guess that's nobody's fault but ours.

Remind me to listen to your hunches in the future. ;)

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24champ
05-23-2009, 11:15 PM
Go read A.L.F's post. Pretty much every game, even the ones the Lakers win, he's pissing and moaning about the refs screwing the Lakers.

*YAWN*

Boobs McGee
05-23-2009, 11:17 PM
This is one of the best playoff years ever. First the Bulls/Celtics series... then the Magic/Celtics series, Lakers/Rockets series and then these last few unbelievable games. Lebron James clutch 3, Kobe's lights out performance. Awesome.

QUOTED FOR TRUUUUTH!

seriously, I would be completely happy with any four of these teams in the finals. Best Playoffs in a WHILE :afro:

Boobs McGee
05-23-2009, 11:22 PM
*YAWN*

fletch is :strong: best avy you've had yet

24champ
05-23-2009, 11:25 PM
Fisher is a joke. He's the absolute weakest link on the Lakers team at this point in his career

Disagree, while Fisher isn't playing good. It isn't horrible as Sasha Vujabrick!

Vujabrick is pissing me off with his garbage play, the Machine is broken...possibly for good. Sasha needs to be in street clothes and Lakers need to suit up Sun Yue or Morrison...somebody with a pulse.

Also Lamar needs to get his ass in gear. I'm tired of this guy not contributing like he is capable of. He did better in this game, but still not good as he can be. He needs to take the damn ball to the rim more often. We need a fourth scorer in this series along with Kobe, Ariza, Gasol. Phil knows that and that's why he chewed him out during a break for not hustling.

Natedog24
05-23-2009, 11:25 PM
QUOTED FOR TRUUUUTH!

seriously, I would be completely happy with any four of these teams in the finals. Best Playoffs in a WHILE :afro:

And I'm pretty happy whenever I get to look at your avatar :)

Kaylore
05-23-2009, 11:29 PM
It is somewhat appeasing that we had one of our worst offensive games of the entire year and still barely lost. Problem is we lost at home, and if we don't get out of this funk we're screwed.

24champ
05-23-2009, 11:32 PM
It is somewhat appeasing that we had one of our worst offensive games of the entire year and still barely lost. Problem is we lost at home, and if we don't get out of this funk we're screwed.

Only because the Lakers missed 14 free throws.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-23-2009, 11:35 PM
Disagree, while Fisher isn't playing good. It isn't horrible as Sasha Vujabrick!

Vujabrick is pissing me off with his garbage play, the Machine is broken...possibly for good. Sasha needs to be in street clothes and Lakers need to suit up Sun Yue or Morrison...somebody with a pulse.

Also Lamar needs to get his ass in gear. I'm tired of this guy not contributing like he is capable of. He did better in this game, but still not good as he can be. He needs to take the damn ball to the rim more often. We need a fourth scorer in this series along with Kobe, Ariza, Gasol. Phil knows that and that's why he chewed him out during a break for not hustling.

Vujabrick is a turd, for sure.

Ever notice how when he comes off the bench the first thing he does is commit some stupid foul - and, invariably, on the next possession, jacks up some stupid shot?

I'm so sick of that worthless clown it's not funny.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-23-2009, 11:40 PM
Only because the Lakers missed 14 free throws.

And decided not to show up on defense (especially interior D.)

TDmvp
05-23-2009, 11:42 PM
Vujabrick is a turd, for sure.

Ever notice how when he comes off the bench the first thing he does is commit some stupid foul - and, invariably, on the next possession, jacks up some stupid shot?

I'm so sick of that worthless clown it's not funny.

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You no like Machine ?

Hilarious!

BroncoBuff
05-23-2009, 11:43 PM
Suddenly LABF is back ... might've known.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-23-2009, 11:48 PM
Suddenly LABF is back ... might've known.

I was here after game 2 as well.

What's your point?

24champ
05-23-2009, 11:51 PM
Vujabrick is a turd, for sure.

Ever notice how when he comes off the bench the first thing he does is commit some stupid foul - and, invariably, on the next possession, jacks up some stupid shot?

I'm so sick of that worthless clown it's not funny.

He reminds me of that POS we had a couple years back...Smush Parker. :unamused:

I'm sick of his attitude as well, reminds me too much of Vlade Divac during the rivalry days with the Kings. I'm so done with this guy, he jacks up shots and he plays really crappy defense. He makes me cringe when he is out there, did you see Sasha just stand there while Birdman blew by him at the top of the key and dunked it from getting a pass?

AND Phil gave him 12 minutes tonight...unfrigginbelievable. Suit up Sun Yue for christ sake Phil!

BroncoBuff
05-23-2009, 11:54 PM
I was here after game 2 as well.

What's your point?

Well I didn't see ya ???

24champ
05-24-2009, 01:32 AM
queue up ALF's black mamba pic/post....

I'll make a Cobra/Ariza post. ;D

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lex
05-24-2009, 01:34 AM
I hate to admit it because of what he has done this year but Billups is killing Denver. He really needs to hit more from outside and needs to make FTs. He really seems to be floundering so far in this series. It seems like he's putting too much pressure on himself possibly. Unfortunately for the Nuggets, Carmelo also had an off night.

OABB
05-24-2009, 02:56 AM
I hate to admit it because of what he has done this year but Billups is killing Denver. He really needs to hit more from outside and needs to make FTs. He really seems to be floundering so far in this series. It seems like he's putting too much pressure on himself possibly. Unfortunately for the Nuggets, Carmelo also had an off night.

you should put them on your next naughty list...that will show them.

cutthemdown
05-24-2009, 04:12 AM
Disagree, while Fisher isn't playing good. It isn't horrible as Sasha Vujabrick!

Vujabrick is pissing me off with his garbage play, the Machine is broken...possibly for good. Sasha needs to be in street clothes and Lakers need to suit up Sun Yue or Morrison...somebody with a pulse.

Also Lamar needs to get his ass in gear. I'm tired of this guy not contributing like he is capable of. He did better in this game, but still not good as he can be. He needs to take the damn ball to the rim more often. We need a fourth scorer in this series along with Kobe, Ariza, Gasol. Phil knows that and that's why he chewed him out during a break for not hustling.

Not only is Odom not getting back on defense, hes flat footed all the time and taking to many outside shots. He should be going to the hole.

FADERPROOF
05-24-2009, 05:46 AM
If you watch these games, based on performance alone it looks like the magic and nuggets are playing better than the cavs and lakers and should have a stranglehold in their series. The difference is that cleveland has Lebron and L.A. has Kobe, magic and nuggets don't have a counter for those players.

titan
05-24-2009, 07:43 AM
In watching the nba playoffs over the years, I've seen so many times what happened last night. The underdog breaks through and wins a game on the favorite's home court in the first two games. The underdog thinks "we've got em now! We'll surely win at home!" and relaxes just a bit. The favorite comes into game 3 with renewed determination and takes back home court advantage by winning game 3. The Lakers also did this in the Houston series.

Where do we go from here? I can see the Lakers relaxing some with the big game 3 win, and the Nuggets coming out very determined. Nuggets win game 4. Then it is a best of 3 with the Lakers with home court advantage.

Lakers "big 3" of Kobe, Gasol, and Ariza played great down the stretch last night and they will be tough to beat. Nuggets hope is that they are so deep - the deepest Nuggets team I have ever seen. Nuggets need to get Melo and Billups playing back to form, and then get a big time performance or two from one of their many potential impact bench players (like Kleiza in game 2)

azbroncfan
05-24-2009, 07:57 AM
I hate to admit it because of what he has done this year but Billups is killing Denver. He really needs to hit more from outside and needs to make FTs. He really seems to be floundering so far in this series. It seems like he's putting too much pressure on himself possibly. Unfortunately for the Nuggets, Carmelo also had an off night.

Wow maybe he didn't play great last night but he played great in Game 2 and was the difference maker.

spdirty
05-24-2009, 08:04 AM
In watching the nba playoffs over the years, I've seen so many times what happened last night. The underdog breaks through and wins a game on the favorite's home court in the first two games. The underdog thinks "we've got em now! We'll surely win at home!" and relaxes just a bit. The favorite comes into game 3 with renewed determination and takes back home court advantage by winning game 3. The Lakers also did this in the Houston series.

Where do we go from here? I can see the Lakers relaxing some with the big game 3 win, and the Nuggets coming out very determined. Nuggets win game 4. Then it is a best of 3 with the Lakers with home court advantage.

Lakers "big 3" of Kobe, Gasol, and Ariza played great down the stretch last night and they will be tough to beat. Nuggets hope is that they are so deep - the deepest Nuggets team I have ever seen. Nuggets need to get Melo and Billups playing back to form, and then get a big time performance or two from one of their many potential impact bench players (like Kleiza in game 2)

Home court means nothing in this series. Except maybe Game 7.

Willynowei
05-24-2009, 09:01 AM
The amount of defensive mistakes the Lakers have made up to this point in the series is absolutely mind boggling. Farmar leaving Carmelo for an open 3 to contest a JR smith elbow shot is just an example of what goes on nearly every time the Nuggets are on offense. Piss poor transition defense from both teams so far has been an equalizer to keep games close, mainly because theres always a couple of guys (Nene in game 2, Odom in game 3) on both sides of the ball who start day dreaming in the middle of the game.

Carmelo was in foul trouble last night, this won't happen every time. But if at some point, the Lakers figure out how to play defense without severe mental break downs, then Denver will be in trouble. Until then, all the Nuggets have to do is stop beating themselves in the fourth quarter.

Jason in LA
05-24-2009, 09:29 AM
Just call this thread the Blame the Refs Thread. What a joke... why not admit that the nuggets just missed too many open shots to win the game. The Lakers were letting the nuggets off the hook all night by missing 15 foul shots. Don't talk about the stupid shots that trash talking JR Smith took and missed. How about Carmelo the choker only taking 4 shots... I guess the lakers don't deserve credit for denying him the ball. I won't even talk about Kenyon "Meltdown" Martins stellar passing abilities or your stupid coach! This series should be 3-0 right now... consider the nuggets fortunate to have won a game!

They have a built in excuse. If the Lakers win, blame it on David Stern and the refs, because there is no way that the Lakers could win fair and square.

The Big E
05-24-2009, 10:22 AM
QUOTED FOR TRUUUUTH!

seriously, I would be completely happy with any four of these teams in the finals. Best Playoffs in a WHILE :afro:
Any of the four remaining teams has a legit shot to win it all, which makes it very exciting.

Lakers are still giong to have trouble if they can only rely on 3 guys. Lamar is one of my favorites, a really cool guy, but he needs to get it together. Too flat-footed on D, and where is his penetration? He needs to quit settling for jumpers.

TonyR
05-24-2009, 10:47 AM
From Bill Simmons, written before game 3.

Q: Thanks for praising Ray Allen's amazing performance in the '01 Eastern Conference finals. You forgot to mention one thing: On the final play that could have put the Bucks in the NBA Finals, George Karl drew up a play for Glenn Robinson instead of Ray-Ray or Sam Cassell. What happened? Big Dog missed an open baseline jumper. Of course he did. It's the Bucks. It was Big Dog. Ray takes that shot and the MILWAUKEE EFFING BUCKS make the NBA FINALS! The entire course of the franchise is altered forever. I hate George Karl. Now, let's say the Western finals comes down to one final possession. The equivalent to the '01 series would be to draw up a play for Kenyon Martin, using Chauncey (Cassell) and Carmelo (Allen) as decoys. Again, I hate George Karl.
-- Dan, Oshkosh, Wis.

SG: Just for the record, I received that e-mail three weeks ago … you know, before Karl blew Game 1 of the Lakers series by having his shortest player (Anthony Carter) inbound the ball on Denver's biggest possession with 6-foot-9 Lamar Odom hounding him (and forcing a bad pass that Trevor Ariza swiped). Nuggets fans, before you get your hopes up for the Finals, please read the e-mail above; please remember that Karl feuded with Ray Allen (by all accounts, one of the nicest guys in basketball) to the degree that he talked Milwaukee into giving him away; please remember that he presided over the 2002 World Championships debacle; please remember that Karl remains one of two coaches who blew a Round 1 series to a No. 1 seed; please remember that he gets covered in mostly gushing tones because he's spent the last 20-plus years giving everyone access and great quotes; and please remember that it took him until Game 4 of the 1996 Finals to defend Michael Jordan with the best defensive guard of that decade (Gary Payton, who subsequently hounded MJ into the worst three-game playoff stretch of his career). George Karl is like President Taylor's daughter on "24" this season: You always knew it would end badly, you just didn't know how.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/090522/part2&sportCat=nba

bombay
05-24-2009, 10:51 AM
Simmons is usually a good read, but to give credence to an email that equates Kenyon Martin to Glenn Robinson as a shooter is silly. Robinson was one hell of a scorer even if he had some dog in him.

EDIT: I get the irony of invoking KMart's name and having him be the guy who threw the ball away, but that really wasn't the point the emailer was making. It was about Karl's decision making, and to me letting Glenn Robinson take a big shot isn't that poor a choice.

bombay
05-24-2009, 10:55 AM
and p.s. our free throw shooting ****ING SUCKED! I don't know what the hell's goin on with lamar

Congrats to your boys. That was a crushing loss that I don't think the Nuggets will recover from. The series could go seven, but they neeeded that game.

SouthStndJunkie
05-24-2009, 11:19 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009/news/story?id=4202661

Report: Chinese investors eyeing Cavs

24champ
05-24-2009, 12:40 PM
From Bill Simmons, written before game 3.

Q: Thanks for praising Ray Allen's amazing performance in the '01 Eastern Conference finals. You forgot to mention one thing: On the final play that could have put the Bucks in the NBA Finals, George Karl drew up a play for Glenn Robinson instead of Ray-Ray or Sam Cassell. What happened? Big Dog missed an open baseline jumper. Of course he did. It's the Bucks. It was Big Dog. Ray takes that shot and the MILWAUKEE EFFING BUCKS make the NBA FINALS! The entire course of the franchise is altered forever. I hate George Karl. Now, let's say the Western finals comes down to one final possession. The equivalent to the '01 series would be to draw up a play for Kenyon Martin, using Chauncey (Cassell) and Carmelo (Allen) as decoys. Again, I hate George Karl.
-- Dan, Oshkosh, Wis.

SG: Just for the record, I received that e-mail three weeks ago … you know, before Karl blew Game 1 of the Lakers series by having his shortest player (Anthony Carter) inbound the ball on Denver's biggest possession with 6-foot-9 Lamar Odom hounding him (and forcing a bad pass that Trevor Ariza swiped). Nuggets fans, before you get your hopes up for the Finals, please read the e-mail above; please remember that Karl feuded with Ray Allen (by all accounts, one of the nicest guys in basketball) to the degree that he talked Milwaukee into giving him away; please remember that he presided over the 2002 World Championships debacle; please remember that Karl remains one of two coaches who blew a Round 1 series to a No. 1 seed; please remember that he gets covered in mostly gushing tones because he's spent the last 20-plus years giving everyone access and great quotes; and please remember that it took him until Game 4 of the 1996 Finals to defend Michael Jordan with the best defensive guard of that decade (Gary Payton, who subsequently hounded MJ into the worst three-game playoff stretch of his career). George Karl is like President Taylor's daughter on "24" this season: You always knew it would end badly, you just didn't know how.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/090522/part2&sportCat=nba


http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0523/nba_g_karl11_576.jpg

24champ
05-24-2009, 12:41 PM
Congrats to your boys. That was a crushing loss that I don't think the Nuggets will recover from. The series could go seven, but they neeeded that game.

Nuggets are still in it, it's far from over. Because honestly I have never seen the Lakers this wiped out after a game. Everyone on the team is hurting, Ariza is banged up, Odom still needs treatment on his back, Kobe ran on empty in the 4th quarter. "The tank was on 'E' for a lot of the plays we made tonight," Phil Jackson said.

That and I am 0-2 in attending away playoff games for the Lakers. Lost one in game four at Phoenix (117-98) during their first championship run in 2000, and then 2003 @ Sacramento for game 5 where we lost by one ****ing point.

Garcia Bronco
05-24-2009, 01:04 PM
Cheating dirty rotten NBA.

Maximus
05-24-2009, 01:43 PM
They have a built in excuse. If the Lakers win, blame it on David Stern and the refs, because there is no way that the Lakers could win fair and square.

Yeah the David Stern conspiracy talk is really crazy. I hear it everywhere ( Stern and the NBA want the Cavs vs The Lakers ) If I remember correctly when Garnett was healthy the league wanted another Lakers vs Celtics Rivalry ??? The evil of David Stern is really powerful too... I mean how did he will LeBrons shot to go in like that ???

I know he bribed Van Gundy into having his team deny everything instead of concentrating on the 3 point shot. Yeah Van Gundy screwed up where George Karl didn't. A two point basket ties the game allowing Orlando to play overtime. Over playing the 3 instead of the drive would have been the best option.

Now he's totally against the Nuggets. The team that has managed to win 1 out of 6 games in the playoffs against the lakers and 2 out of the last 11 including the playoffs. Stern doesn't need to intercede on the Lakers behalf. The Nuggets are doing fine by themselves. Winning only 18% of the time means the Lakers will sweep the last 2 games.

Back to George Karl. I initially called him stupid based on the decision to have Anthony Carter inbound against Odom. However, Having Kenyon Martin, a much taller player, and one of the better passers on the nuggets inbound the ball was the best option. Karl cannot control Martins poor decision to try to pass over the top of Odom's arms and he certainly could not control Carmello Anthony taking the wrong angle to get the ball.

Let me invoke Magic Johnson here... Magic always ran in a strait line to the ball and always got the ball or got fouled. Go ahead Nuggets Fans blame George Karl if you want. Just remember he learned from the first game... he inserted Martin to make a play instead of Carter. The problem is denver has 2 choke artists on the team Mello & Martin!

NFLBRONCO
05-24-2009, 02:50 PM
Nuggets are still in it, it's far from over. Because honestly I have never seen the Lakers this wiped out after a game. Everyone on the team is hurting, Ariza is banged up, Odom still needs treatment on his back, Kobe ran on empty in the 4th quarter. "The tank was on 'E' for a lot of the plays we made tonight," Phil Jackson said.

That and I am 0-2 in attending away playoff games for the Lakers. Lost one in game four at Phoenix (117-98) during their first championship run in 2000, and then 2003 @ Sacramento for game 5 where we lost by one ****ing point.

I think the series IS OVER. Underdog teams can't get close and not win it deflates confidence. Denver had the Lakers right where they wanted them and choked. Unless Billups Melo and Smith go nuts Denver won't win another game in this series. All as I wanted was a chance at the end to pull out a win for Denver they did they failed.

NFLBRONCO
05-24-2009, 02:57 PM
Hey Lakers guys what do you think Denver lacks to reach finals? Even though you want the Lakers to win you can see Denver isn't miles away anymore wouldn't you agree?

Punisher
05-24-2009, 03:13 PM
Hey Lakers guys what do you think Denver lacks to reach finals? Even though you want the Lakers to win you can see Denver isn't miles away anymore wouldn't you agree?

Denver is a Good team and they are having a Great year.As you can see everygame has went down the wire.Is anyone series to be honest its just the Nuggs messed up twice at the final minutes in games and the Lakers are just playing off there mistakes.The nuggets could easily be up 3-0 but that's the breaks.

GO LAKERS

NFLBRONCO
05-24-2009, 03:25 PM
Denver is a Good team and they are having a Great year.As you can see everygame has went down the wire.Is anyone series to be honest its just the Nuggs messed up twice at the final minutes in games and the Lakers are just playing off there mistakes.The nuggets could easily be up 3-0 but that's the breaks.

GO LAKERS

I think Denver needs a younger Billups another legit bigman that can block shots and score inside.

Maximus
05-24-2009, 03:30 PM
Hey Lakers guys what do you think Denver lacks to reach finals? Even though you want the Lakers to win you can see Denver isn't miles away anymore wouldn't you agree?

I agree they are not far off. What the nuggets need is a real inside presence. Take a look at all the teams that have won the championship. The greatest common denominator is a good center. A team needs to have the option to go inside and create doubles in the post to loosen up defenses. A clear example was Pau Gasol going to work on NeNe Hilario last night. Everyone is looking at the inbounds pass and the Technicals etc... the truth is Gasol Torched Denver inside 3 times down the stretch.

OABB
05-24-2009, 06:22 PM
Hey Lakers guys what do you think Denver lacks to reach finals? Even though you want the Lakers to win you can see Denver isn't miles away anymore wouldn't you agree?

Mental toughness.

oh, and of course Daniel Stern needs to stop paying the refs to keep you down. It would be really hard for the Lakers,with Kobe,Pau,Odom,Ariza, and Fisher to actually win a game purely by their talent level without the help from the NBA.

oubronco
05-24-2009, 07:11 PM
Hey Lakers guys what do you think Denver lacks to reach finals? Even though you want the Lakers to win you can see Denver isn't miles away anymore wouldn't you agree?

Kobe

lex
05-24-2009, 07:44 PM
Orlando continues to look impressive so far. Cavs down 5 with 1 qtr to go.

FADERPROOF
05-24-2009, 08:40 PM
So I made the mistake of thinking that since its the ECF that someone other than Lebron would possibly show up. Wouldn't surprised me to see the Magic finish us in 5, maybe 6.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-24-2009, 08:49 PM
Just as I've been saying all along: Cavs = overrated.

Not sure the Cavs can get past the Magic - even with all the help they're getting from the refs (calling that clean block on LBJ by Howard a foul at the end was unbelievable! If I were an Orlando fan I'd be livid!)

Guess there will be no "jack off to Lebron" session tonight, eh?

If Cleveland fans were honest with themselves, they would have to admit that they would have rather have had Kobe on the floor for their team at the end of the 4th instead of LBJ.)

Kobe >>> LBJ.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-24-2009, 08:52 PM
They have a built in excuse. If the Lakers win, blame it on David Stern and the refs, because there is no way that the Lakers could win fair and square.

QFT.

Works for Portland and Sacto fans. :giggle:

24champ
05-24-2009, 09:06 PM
If Cleveland fans were honest with themselves, they would have to admit that they would have rather have had Kobe on the floor for their team at the end of the 4th instead of LBJ.

2 years from now they would have anyone on their team since Lebron is going to sign a mega-deal with New York.

FADERPROOF
05-24-2009, 09:45 PM
2 years from now they would have anyone on their team since Lebron is going to sign a mega-deal with New York.

that would only reflect poorly on Lebron and how he is more interested in money than winning cause the knicks are about as far away from a title as any.

enjolras
05-24-2009, 09:51 PM
QFT.

Works for Portland and Sacto fans. :giggle:

When it keeps happening... they might have a point. The NBA star system is just ridiculous. Only when Kobe is on your team are you blind to it.

24champ
05-24-2009, 09:57 PM
that would only reflect poorly on Lebron and how he is more interested in money than winning cause the knicks are about as far away from a title as any.

Lebron has stated he wanted to be the first athlete to be a billionaire. He'll be a Knick, book it.

Anyway another MVP Puppet commercial by Nike.


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cutthemdown
05-24-2009, 10:01 PM
Lebron has stated he wanted to be the first athlete to be a billionaire. He'll be a Knick, book it.

Anyway another MVP Puppet commercial by Nike.


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not if cavs make that deal and sell part of team that billionaire from China. He would offer Lebron marketing chances in asia that could make him a billionaire.

PaintballCLE
05-24-2009, 10:02 PM
not if cavs make that deal and sell part of team that billionaire from China. He would offer Lebron marketing chances in asia that could make him a billionaire.

thats a done deal.....its on espn.com already

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009/news/story?id=4202661

enjolras
05-24-2009, 10:45 PM
The draw of playing under the big lights in New York might be too much tho. It's a big stage in one of the most influential cities on earth. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him go.

24champ
05-24-2009, 10:54 PM
not if cavs make that deal and sell part of team that billionaire from China. He would offer Lebron marketing chances in asia that could make him a billionaire.

The Chinese investment firm/group would only have a 15% stake in the Cavs. Hardly influential or a mega deal like BSPN is reporting it as.

OABB
05-24-2009, 10:57 PM
When it keeps happening... they might have a point. The NBA star system is just ridiculous. Only when Kobe is on your team are you blind to it.

or they might just be whiney bitches who can't handle losing....

lex
05-24-2009, 10:59 PM
Just as I've been saying all along: Cavs = overrated.

Not sure the Cavs can get past the Magic - even with all the help they're getting from the refs (calling that clean block on LBJ by Howard a foul at the end was unbelievable! If I were an Orlando fan I'd be livid!)

Guess there will be no "J-O to Lebron" session tonight, eh?

If Cleveland fans were honest with themselves, they would have to admit that they would have rather have had Kobe on the floor for their team at the end of the 4th instead of LBJ.)

Kobe >>> LBJ.


No, when has Kobe ever hit a shot like the one Lebron hit in game 2? And its not like Lebron isnt doing his share.

lex
05-24-2009, 10:59 PM
The Chinese investment firm/group would only have a 15% stake in the Cavs. Hardly influential or a mega deal like BSPN is reporting it as.


They would still have a financial interest in marketing Lebron to a massive population...even at 15%.

enjolras
05-24-2009, 11:00 PM
No, when has Kobe ever hit a shot like the one Lebron hit in game 2? And its not like Lebron isnt doing his share.

No joke. Trade Kobe straight up for Lebron... one waltzes to a championship, the other makes an early playoff exit.

And no LABF, it's Kobe who would be watching the finals from his living room.

Mr.Meanie
05-24-2009, 11:03 PM
No, when has Kobe ever hit a shot like the one Lebron hit in game 2? And its not like Lebron isnt doing his share.

wow... seriously? He's been doing that his entire career. Do you even follow basketball?

Jason in LA
05-24-2009, 11:12 PM
No, when has Kobe ever hit a shot like the one Lebron hit in game 2? And its not like Lebron isnt doing his share.

Game 2, NBA Finals, against the Pistons. Kobe was a good 5 feet behind the three point line when he launched one up at the buzzer. Sent the game into OT. Only game they won that series.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-24-2009, 11:22 PM
wow... seriously? He's been doing that his entire career. Do you even follow basketball?

My question exactly. :rofl:

lex
05-24-2009, 11:23 PM
Game 2, NBA Finals, against the Pistons. Kobe was a good 5 feet behind the three point line when he launched one up at the buzzer. Sent the game into OT. Only game they won that series.

He's, what, 31 now and the only example you can come up with is from when Shaq was in LA?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-24-2009, 11:24 PM
No joke. Trade Kobe straight up for Lebron... one waltzes to a championship, the other makes an early playoff exit.

And no LABF, it's Kobe who would be watching the finals from his living room.

:oyvey:

Add another poster to the list of people who don't watch much basketball.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-24-2009, 11:26 PM
He's, what, 31 now and the only example you can come up with is from when Shaq was in LA?

???

Um, why do you suppose Kobe is almost unanimously considered the best closer in basketball (by pundits and fellow players alike?)

OABB
05-24-2009, 11:28 PM
He's, what, 31 now and the only example you can come up with is from when Shaq was in LA?

dude....you should quit while your behind. I always thought you were an ass, but this is even lame for you...

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-24-2009, 11:29 PM
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/9919/kobevzlebron.jpg

lex
05-24-2009, 11:30 PM
???

Um, why do you suppose Kobe is almost unanimously considered the best closer in basketball (by pundits and fellow players alike?)


I dont buy it. When I think of Kobe closing, I think of a few years ago when he only scored 4 points in the second half of the last game of their season. And this was in his "best" year scoring. BTW, the "best closer" argument youre trying to make could mean he asserts himself more in the 4th qtr. It doesnt mean he hits do or die shots at the buzzer.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-24-2009, 11:33 PM
Fan videos from Lakers/Nuggets Game 3:

(Taken from behind Lakers bench.)

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cutthemdown
05-24-2009, 11:33 PM
They would still have a financial interest in marketing Lebron to a massive population...even at 15%.

I agree. If they tell cavs we can market Lebron to even 10% of China that would be so huge.

Some people in America have no idea how to fathom a billion people. Are little 300 million doesn't compare.

lex
05-24-2009, 11:33 PM
dude....you should quit while your behind. I always thought you were an ass, but this is even lame for you...

Im still waiting for a better example than the game 2 one 6 years ago when Shaq was as much of an option as Kobe. Its kind of different when the weight is on your shoulders to do it and you still pull the rabbit out of the hat. I cant think of a time when Kobe did that while playing batman and not robin. Until you come up with a better example than 6 years ago, Ive little to worry about.

Mr.Meanie
05-24-2009, 11:34 PM
I dont buy it. When I think of Kobe closing, I think of a few years ago when he only scored 4 points in the second half of the last game of their season. And this was in his "best" year scoring. BTW, the "best closer" argument youre trying to make could mean he asserts himself more in the 4th qtr. It doesnt mean he hits do or die shots at the buzzer.

http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:JK3T0Bi266AFaM:http://www.tyndall.ie/research/quantum-optics-group/youtube-logo.jpg

OABB
05-24-2009, 11:35 PM
I dont buy it. When I think of Kobe closing, I think of a few years ago when he only scored 4 points in the second half of the last game of their season. And this was in his "best" year scoring. BTW, the "best closer" argument youre trying to make could mean he asserts himself more in the 4th qtr. It doesnt mean he hits do or die shots at the buzzer.

dude....seriously. your digging a hole that you can never climb out of. Even the nugs fans here have got to think you are insane. hell, even cavs fans do.

OABB
05-24-2009, 11:37 PM
Im still waiting for a better example than the game 2 one 6 years ago when Shaq was as much of an option as Kobe. Its kind of different when the weight is on your shoulders to do it and you still pull the rabbit out of the hat. I cant think of a time when Kobe did that while playing batman and not robin. Until you come up with a better example than 6 years ago, Ive little to worry about.

there is a commercial running right now that shows Kobe hitting the game winner against the Suns and that was with smush parker as the other guy...so not only do you not watch bball, i'm wondering if you even watch television.

lex
05-24-2009, 11:37 PM
I agree. If they tell cavs we can market Lebron to even 10% of China that would be so huge.

Some people in America have no idea how to fathom a billion people. Are little 300 million doesn't compare.

It depends. I mean, just because there are a lot of people, that doesnt mean its a fertile market for marketing basketball. Im not saying its not. I could see reasoning both ways. Im curious to see how this plays out. Lebron is in bed with Nike also.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-24-2009, 11:37 PM
He's, what, 31 now and the only example you can come up with is from when Shaq was in LA?

:rofl:

Go to Youtube and search for "Kobe game winning shots."

Jason in LA
05-24-2009, 11:38 PM
He's, what, 31 now and the only example you can come up with is from when Shaq was in LA?

Whether I provide one example or several is besides the point, and it doesn't matter when it was done. You asked a question, implying that he's never done something like that, and I provided an answer that proved you wrong. So we're done. There's nothing else to say on the matter. You were proven wrong.

BTW, that wasn't Kobe's only buzzer beater in his career. Before game 2, LeBron had never hit a shot like that either.

lex
05-24-2009, 11:38 PM
http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:JK3T0Bi266AFaM:http://www.tyndall.ie/research/quantum-optics-group/youtube-logo.jpg

OK, where is it?

OABB
05-24-2009, 11:39 PM
hey Lex, did you watch game three?

We should have drafted mendenhall.

lex
05-24-2009, 11:40 PM
:rofl:

Go to Youtube and search for "Kobe game winning shots."

Im not talking about shots where LA wins by two because Kobe hits a shot with 8 seconds left. Thats not do or die. Its not a buzzer beater. At the outset, thats what I mentioned. Like I said, I dont remember Kobe hitting a shot like that.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-24-2009, 11:40 PM
You asked a question, implying that he's never done something like that, and I provided an answer that proved you wrong. So we're done. There's nothing else to say on the matter. You were proven wrong.


Bingo.

Now all that remains for him is a lengthy Youtube visit and a heaping helping of embarrassment.

lex
05-24-2009, 11:41 PM
hey Lex, did you watch game three?

We should have drafted mendenhall.

Youre a waste of time. And youre going back on ignore. Congrats.

24champ
05-24-2009, 11:42 PM
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/9919/kobevzlebron.jpg

[/end conversation]

lex
05-24-2009, 11:42 PM
Whether I provide one example or several is besides the point, and it doesn't matter when it was done. You asked a question, implying that he's never done something like that, and I provided an answer that proved you wrong. So we're done. There's nothing else to say on the matter. You were proven wrong.

BTW, that wasn't Kobe's only buzzer beater in his career. Before game 2, LeBron had never hit a shot like that either.

LOL. Go to google and type in this "kobe do or die buzzer beaters" and let me know what comes up. LOL. Im not going to youtube to sift through games where he hit a shot to go up 2 with 10 seconds left that held up. Thats not the same thing.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-24-2009, 11:43 PM
Im not talking about shots where LA wins by two because Kobe hits a shot with 8 seconds left. Thats not do or die. Its not a buzzer beater. At the outset, thats what I mentioned. Like I said, I dont remember Kobe hitting a shot like that.

Careful with your criterea:

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D-Fish > Lebron. ;)

lex
05-24-2009, 11:44 PM
Careful with your criterea:

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D-Fish > Lebron. ;)

Thats Derek Fisher. We were talking about Kobe...stupid laker fans.

Jason in LA
05-24-2009, 11:44 PM
Im still waiting for a better example than the game 2 one 6 years ago when Shaq was as much of an option as Kobe. Its kind of different when the weight is on your shoulders to do it and you still pull the rabbit out of the hat. I cant think of a time when Kobe did that while playing batman and not robin. Until you come up with a better example than 6 years ago, Ive little to worry about.

You are a joke. You were proven wrong, so instead of just shutting up, you're trying to add more to it. You implied that Kobe had never hit a shot like that. An example was given. Only one needed to be given to prove you wrong. Now you're changing it to be a game winning shot when you're the guy. That's silly.

Okay, I'll play along. The Lakers are down by 3. So who's going to take the shot? Shaq? No. Kobe was going to take that shot. So the weight was on his shoulders, and he nailed it.

So STFU. You have been proven wrong!

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-24-2009, 11:45 PM
Im not talking about shots where LA wins by two because Kobe hits a shot with 8 seconds left. Thats not do or die.

8 seconds left on the clock with the game on the line isn't "do or die?"

Ha!

lex
05-24-2009, 11:46 PM
Bingo.

Now all that remains for him is a lengthy Youtube visit and a heaping helping of embarrassment.

I typed in the criteria I spoke of in google and nary a link with Kobe's name on it appeared. There were several for Jordan and one or two of Lebron.

24champ
05-24-2009, 11:46 PM
Horry> Lebron. ;)

Best one IMO is this one LABF....

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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-24-2009, 11:46 PM
Thats Derek Fisher. We were talking about Kobe...stupid laker fans.

I know who it is, dumbass - I was using it as an example of how your criterea for "do or die" game winners could potentially bite you in the ass. :wave:

Jason in LA
05-24-2009, 11:47 PM
LOL. Go to google and type in this "kobe do or die buzzer beaters" and let me know what comes up. LOL. Im not going to youtube to sift through games where he hit a shot to go up 2 with 10 seconds left that held up. Thats not the same thing.

Kobe against the Suns a few years back. Game 3 or 4 I believe. At the buzzer he hits the shot to win the game. They have been running a commercial with that play throughout the playoffs.

OABB
05-24-2009, 11:47 PM
Youre a waste of time. And youre going back on ignore. Congrats.

did you not see my example with the suns? does that not fit your criteria? what do you have to say about that?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-24-2009, 11:48 PM
You implied that Kobe had never hit a shot like that. An example was given. Only one needed to be given to prove you wrong. Now you're changing it to be a game winning shot when you're the guy. That's silly.



Yep. He keeps moving the goal post (sorry for mixing metaphors.) ;)

lex
05-24-2009, 11:48 PM
8 seconds left on the clock with the game on the line isn't "do or die?"

Ha!

Not really. If its tied, the other team could miss the next shot. If youre down by one, you can foul and get the ball back. Its not the same thing. Its like acting like a game winning FG made to win by three is the same as one to win by one is the same.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-24-2009, 11:48 PM
Best one IMO is this one LABF....

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Definitely!

Big Shot Rob! :yayaya:

OABB
05-24-2009, 11:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v61FZAbYQQc

24champ
05-24-2009, 11:51 PM
Yep. He keeps moving the goal post (sorry for mixing metaphors.) ;)

That's why it is pointless to argue with Lex sometimes.

OABB
05-24-2009, 11:52 PM
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Jason in LA
05-24-2009, 11:52 PM
Yep. He keeps moving the goal post (sorry for mixing metaphors.) ;)

That's exactly it. He has to change it around to keep the argument going. It's silly. He was proven dead wrong, and he just doesn't want to admit it. Kind of sad.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-24-2009, 11:53 PM
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orangeandblueblooded with the pwnage! ^5 :thumbs:

OABB
05-24-2009, 11:54 PM
That's why it is pointless to argue with Lex sometimes.

sometimes?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-24-2009, 11:57 PM
Damn! Those shots are amazing not just for how clutch they are but for the degree of difficulty as well.

Nobody elicits "how did he do that?" more than Kobe.

24champ
05-24-2009, 11:58 PM
I remember going ape after this one...one of my favorite games.

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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-24-2009, 11:59 PM
That's why it is pointless to argue with Lex sometimes.

Yep.

I guess his contention that Kobe has never made a shot like the one LBJ made in game 2 of the ECF says all you need to know about his basketball knowledge.

:laugh:

Jason in LA
05-24-2009, 11:59 PM
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Lex, please leave this thread and don't come back. Because you are ****ing dumb. OMG you are ****ing dumb. Sofa King we todd id.

Please don't nit pick and say that those weren't all game winners. There were enough game winners in their to more than prove you wrong.

SouthStndJunkie
05-25-2009, 12:00 AM
Cleveland better get their **** together or they may lose this series.

Another typical sports team in Cleveland choking when it counts.

OABB
05-25-2009, 12:00 AM
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lex
05-25-2009, 12:00 AM
Kobe against the Suns a few years back. Game 3 or 4 I believe. At the buzzer he hits the shot to win the game. They have been running a commercial with that play throughout the playoffs.


Sorry. I guess the memory of it was obscured by this:

http://www.nba.com/games/20060506/LALPHX/recap.html

Phoenix 121, L.A. Lakers 90
Bryant Fades, Suns Rout Lakers in Game 7
Box Score | Suns Home | Lakers Home




PHOENIX, May 6 (Ticker) -- After Leandro Barbosa helped the Phoenix Suns to a big lead, Kobe Bryant decided to do nothing about it.

Barbosa scored a playoff career-high 26 points as the balanced Suns completed their comeback with a 121-90 rout of the Los Angeles Lakers in the decisive seventh game of their Western Conference first-round series.

NBA TV highlights from
Lakers-Suns: Play
Press Conference: Play
Boris Diaw added 21 points and Shawn Marion had 14 and 10 rebounds for the second-seeded Suns, who became just the eighth team in NBA history to rally from a 3-1 series deficit.

Following a 114-97 win in Game 5 that prolonged the series, the Suns gained even more momentum in a 126-118 overtime triumph in Game 6. Tim Thomas hit a 3-pointer with 6.2 seconds left in regulation to send the sixth game into overtime.

Back in front of their home fans, the Suns overwhelmed the seventh-seeded Lakers in the decisive game, never trailing and leading by as many as 33 points.

"It was the heart and perseverance of our guys to overcome Game Four," Suns coach Mike D'Antoni said. "Thinking that we were slighted. We tried to do the right thing, we kept getting hit, and they had enough. Whether they turned it on or thought about it subconsciously I don't know but from that moment we played the way we played all year."

Barbosa, who scored 22 points while getting the start in place of the suspended Raja Bell in Game 6, again was a major factor in this one.

Coming off the bench, Barbosa scored 15 points in the first half as the Suns shot 60 percent (25-of-42) and opened a 60-45 advantage. They led by at least 14 points the entire second half.

Barbosa made 10-of-12 shots overall in 30 minutes.

"I think I figured out my game," Barbosa said. "At the beginning everybody knew they had to do more. Right now I have a lot of confidence. Maybe it is concentration and focus. I wasn't worried about points. I was trying to be aggressive. That is the way I like to play."

"It does help that he is one of the fastest guys on earth and one of the best shooters from three," D'Antoni said. "It was amazing what he and Boris Diaw did in the first half."

Bryant tried to keep the Lakers in it in the first half by scoring 23 points on 8-of-13 shooting. The league's leading scorer, Bryant netted 50 points in Game 6.

But in a puzzling disappearing act, Bryant deferred to his teammates in the second half Saturday, taking just three shots and scoring one point on a technical free throw.

"If we were going to get back in this type of game we had to have everybody contributing," Bryant said. "In the first half I started to pick it up offensively just to keep us in the hunt. If we were going to get back into the game in the second half everybody has to get into a rhythm and that didn't happen."

Through the first four games of the series, Bryant had been giving more responsibility to his teammates. The superstar attempted 35 shots in Game Six, but faded in the second half in his team's biggest game of the season.

"We wanted to get back in the game so we were running things through other guys," Lakers coach Phil Jackson said. "Nash was a little bit banged up and we were trying to use out inside out game. Kobe just sat on that game plan and let the other things happen."

When Bryant decided to stop shooting, the Suns decided to run the Lakers off the court. A pair of free throws by Marion with 4:31 remaining in the third quarter gave Phoenix an 80-56 bulge. Phoenix held a 90-65 bulge entering the final period.

Steve Nash contributed 13 points and nine assists and Bell scored 13 for Phoenix, which will meet the sixth-seeded Los Angeles Clippers in the conference semifinals. Game 1 is here Monday.

Bell had battled Bryant all series and was ejected during Game 5 when he clotheslined Bryant and then threw him to the ground.

"I can't really give you an answer why he didn't shoot in the second half," Bell said. "Whatever happened we've got bigger fish to fry now."

"I really don't think about him defensively," Bryant said. "It is not like when I go up against a Bruce Bowen or a Ron Artest. They make you think about what you do out there. It's not like that."

Possibly the only bad news for the Suns is that Nash - the reigning MVP who reportedly will win the award for a second straight season - appeared a bit slow after tweaking his ankle in the first half.

"It will be fine after the next day and a half," Nash said.

The Suns had seven players reach double figures and shot 61 percent (47-of-77), including 10-of-21 from 3-point range.

Jackson, who has won nine NBA titles, had been 44-0 when leading in a series.

"It is a shame we couldn't give them a better game today," Jackson said. "You could see early on that things were going to be a little strained for us. The first five minutes on it seemed like they were a step quicker and a step better offensively and we had jitters today."

Luke Walton scored 16 points and Lamar Odom 12 for the Lakers, who shot just 35 percent (32-of-91).



Why a Laker fan would bring up anything he did during that series, Ill never know. LOL.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-25-2009, 12:03 AM
I remember going ape after this one...one of my favorite games.

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The assassin! http://www.clublakers.com/forum/images/smilies/stunoicecluh7.gif

Did you watch this one, Lex?

Jason in LA
05-25-2009, 12:03 AM
Sorry. I guess the memory of it was obscured by this:

http://www.nba.com/games/20060506/LALPHX/recap.html




Why a Laker fan would bring up anything he did during that series, Ill never know. LOL.

So what does that have to do with the debate at hand? Nothing. That game doesn't prove your statement about Kobe not hitting a game winning shot correct. It has nothing to do with it. Why would you even present that in this debate?

BroncoBuff
05-25-2009, 12:05 AM
That's exactly it. He has to change it around to keep the argument going. It's silly. He was proven dead wrong, and he just doesn't want to admit it. Kind of sad.

He learned at the feet of the Master ... Popps.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-25-2009, 12:06 AM
Why a Laker fan would bring up anything he did during that series, Ill never know. LOL.

Why you would spout off with something as embarrassingly uninformed as "Kobe has never made a shot like LBJ's" and, when proven wrong, continue to plead your case is beyond me. :laugh:

24champ
05-25-2009, 12:06 AM
And is the answer to that question another question? We may never know...And in NEVER KNOWING, the UNKNOWABLE is unSTOPable! :rofl:

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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-25-2009, 12:07 AM
So what does that have to do with the debate at hand? Nothing. That game doesn't prove your statement about Kobe not hitting a game winning shot correct. It has nothing to do with it. Why would you even present that in this debate?

I believe it's called "deflection?" ;) Ha!

OABB
05-25-2009, 12:08 AM
Sorry. I guess the memory of it was obscured by this:

http://www.nba.com/games/20060506/LALPHX/recap.html




Why a Laker fan would bring up anything he did during that series, Ill never know. LOL.

dude, you got powned...repeatedly and this is your best attempt at a response? That he played bad in another game after the buzzer beater that you claimed he never did...


what does losing an argument mean to you?

because if you aren't sure what it looks like, read the last three pages of this thread.

lex
05-25-2009, 12:09 AM
Lex, please leave this thread and don't come back. Because you are ****ing dumb. OMG you are ****ing dumb. Sofa King we todd id.

Please don't nit pick and say that those weren't all game winners. There were enough game winners in their to more than prove you wrong.

Most of those were in the 3rd qtr. The only two that I counted that werent (some of it was blurry) were the shots against the Suns and Trailblazers. And, again, where the Suns game is concerned, Ive posted what happend subsequently to that. If I was a Laker fan, id do everything I could to not bring that up. LOL. Anyway, Trailblazers one was nice. When was that?

BroncoBuff
05-25-2009, 12:11 AM
Yep. He keeps moving the goal post (sorry for mixing metaphors.) ;)

Stantion, LA ... moving the stantion.

lex
05-25-2009, 12:11 AM
Why you would spout off with something as embarrassingly uninformed as "Kobe has never made a shot like LBJ's" and, when proven wrong, continue to plead your case is beyond me. :laugh:

Like I said, the fact that Kobe disappeared when his team needed him most is probably why I forgot that shot against the Suns. LOL. Like I said, if I was a laker fan, Id try not to bring that series up.

lex
05-25-2009, 12:13 AM
The assassin! http://www.clublakers.com/forum/images/smilies/stunoicecluh7.gif

Did you watch this one, Lex?

When was that? Was it even in the playoffs?

OABB
05-25-2009, 12:14 AM
Most of those were in the 3rd qtr. The only two that I counted that werent (some of it was blurry) were the shots against the Suns and Trailblazers. And, again, where the Suns game is concerned, Ive posted what happend subsequently to that. If I was a Laker fan, id do everything I could to not bring that up. LOL. Anyway, Trailblazers one was nice. When was that?

wow. aren't you the least bit embarrassed? do you have any pride at all?

you have at least two examples of Kobe that fit your insane criteria and only one of Lebron...so Lebron is still better at clutch shots?

i wonder if when you are typing this drivel, your fingers cry a little.

OABB
05-25-2009, 12:16 AM
Like I said, the fact that Kobe disappeared when his team needed him most is probably why I forgot that shot against the Suns. LOL. Like I said, if I was a laker fan, Id try not to bring that series up.

How did lebron do in the clutch today?

24champ
05-25-2009, 12:19 AM
Lex moving the goalpost around...


http://www.uncountedthemovie.com/images/goalposts.jpg

Jason in LA
05-25-2009, 12:19 AM
At this point it doesn't matter how many examples are given that clearly proves him wrong. He doesn't want to admit that he was wrong. That's like a character flaw.

lex
05-25-2009, 12:26 AM
At this point it doesn't matter how many examples are given that clearly proves him wrong. He doesn't want to admit that he was wrong. That's like a character flaw.

The only example provided was the Suns series...the same series where Kobe disappeared in the second half of game 7. LOL. OK, youre right. Kobe hit that one shot. It was awesome. He is so clutch...just like he was in game 7 of that same series.

OABB
05-25-2009, 12:27 AM
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Jason in LA
05-25-2009, 12:33 AM
The only example provided was the Suns series...the same series where Kobe disappeared in the second half of game 7. LOL. OK, youre right. Kobe hit that one shot. It was awesome. He is so clutch...just like he was in game 7 of that same series.

Wait, what about the example from the NBA Finals? The example against Portland? I guess those don't count.

I don't see why you dug yourself into such a huge hole, and then just kept digging.

SouthStndJunkie
05-25-2009, 12:37 AM
As much as I don't like Kobe, there is not another player in the league that I would rather have taking the final shot at the buzzer for the win.

lex
05-25-2009, 12:38 AM
Lex moving the goalpost around...


http://www.uncountedthemovie.com/images/goalposts.jpg

I said I dont remember seeing Kobe hitting a shot like that, and then suddenly Laker fan starts making lose comparisons by providing videos of 3rd qtr buzzer beaters from regular season games. When I say like that, Im talking about a scenario where there are no second chances. Making or missing the shot means winning or losing the game because a) its not tied and b) theres no time left. What added to Lebrons shot is the fact that he has been 43% of their offense and so everyone on the team had to expect him to take the shot. Not only that, but as I was watching it live, it was obvious Orlando took away the lob. So far in this series, Cleveland hasnt really had other legitimate options. It was a great shot. And btw, since Jordan retired, I really only watch the playoffs.

There. Now you have your goal posts.

Jason in LA
05-25-2009, 12:42 AM
I said I dont remember seeing Kobe hitting a shot like that, and then suddenly Laker fan starts making lose comparisons by providing videos of 3rd qtr buzzer beaters from regular season games. When I say like that, Im talking about a scenario where there are no second chances. Making or missing the shot means winning or losing the game because a) its not tied and b) theres no time left. What added to Lebrons shot is the fact that he has been 43% of their offense and so everyone on the team had to expect him to take the shot. Not only that, but as I was watching it live, it was obvious Orlando took away the lob. So far in this series, Cleveland hasnt really had other legitimate options. It was a great shot. And btw, since Jordan retired, I really only watch the playoffs.

There. Now you have your goal posts.

Examples of Kobe hitting shots at the buzzer, in the 4th period, to win the game, were given. Now you are just ignoring them. I really don't know what to think of you at this point.

Your point was wrong, and it has been proven wrong, so stop arguing the point. Just move on.

lex
05-25-2009, 12:43 AM
Wait, what about the example from the NBA Finals? The example against Portland? I guess those don't count.

I don't see why you dug yourself into such a huge hole, and then just kept digging.

From 10 years ago when Kobe was robin and Shaq was Batman? Thats not exactly the same as what Lebron did. Lebron did it as batman. He bore a heavier burden. In all such scenarios from this time, the defense had to respect Shaq. And btw, I was living in Germany at the time the Lakers had that comeback to beat Portland. So when I say, I dont remember seeing Kobe make a shot like that, this would exclude that Lakers-Trailblazers series from 10 years ago for that reason.

OABB
05-25-2009, 12:43 AM
I said I dont remember seeing Kobe hitting a shot like that, and then suddenly Laker fan starts making lose comparisons by providing videos of 3rd qtr buzzer beaters from regular season games. When I say like that, Im talking about a scenario where there are no second chances.

um...what about the one's that WERE BUZZER BEATERS IN THE 4TH!!!!!!

funny, you don't mention those here.....hmmmm...

maybe the goalposts are still moving?

lex
05-25-2009, 12:45 AM
Examples of Kobe hitting shots at the buzzer, in the 4th period, to win the game, were given. Now you are just ignoring them. I really don't know what to think of you at this point.

Your point was wrong, and it has been proven wrong, so stop arguing the point. Just move on.


Where? The only one provided was the Suns series and, as mentioned, he pulled a disappearing act.

If Lebron goes on to disappear in game 7 like Kobe did, or for the rest of this series against Orlando, Ill probably forget his too.

OABB
05-25-2009, 12:47 AM
From 10 years ago when Kobe was robin and Shaq was Batman? Thats not exactly the same as what Lebron did. Lebron did it as batman. He bore a heavier burden. In all such scenarios from this time, the defense had to respect Shaq. And btw, I was living in Germany at the time the Lakers had that comeback to beat Portland. So when I say, I dont remember seeing Kobe make a shot like that, this would exclude that Lakers-Trailblazers series from 10 years ago for that reason.

ARE YOU BAT**** CRAZY! seriously. you are scaring me. THE SUNS GAME WAS A PLAYOFF GAME WITHOUT SHAQ!

oh wait, he played bad later so it doesn't count!

Lebron played poorly tonight and his team lost, so that shot from game two doesn't count?

you are ****ing stupid crazy.


you should just change your user name because this thread is an embarrassment and it will forever color the way you are viewed. you were alwyas a douche, but now you are out of touch and incapable of making sense in any way.

seriously, you have been assraped here. your gonna have to wear tampons in your butthole for the rest of your life.

OABB
05-25-2009, 12:49 AM
Where? The only one provided was the Suns series and, as mentioned, he pulled a disappearing act.

If Lebron goes on to disappear in game 7 like Kobe did, or for the rest of this series against Orlando, Ill probably forget his too.

than you should forget the drive by elway because we lost the superbowl that year.

that's what you are saying.


god you are ****ing stupid.

Jason in LA
05-25-2009, 12:50 AM
From 10 years ago when Kobe was robin and Shaq was Batman? Thats not exactly the same as what Lebron did. Lebron did it as batman. He bore a heavier burden. In all such scenarios from this time, the defense had to respect Shaq. And btw, I was living in Germany at the time the Lakers had that comeback to beat Portland. So when I say, I dont remember seeing Kobe make a shot like that, this would exclude that Lakers-Trailblazers series from 10 years ago for that reason.

Even with what you said, that example still proves your point wrong. Sorry, but there is no getting around it.

Jason in LA
05-25-2009, 12:52 AM
I'm going to go ahead and call it. Lex is the dumbest guy on this board. Bar none.

OABB
05-25-2009, 12:52 AM
lex...

just say this;

"I was wrong."

you'll feel better. Thats part of growing up.

lex
05-25-2009, 12:53 AM
Even with what you said, that example still proves your point wrong. Sorry, but there is no getting around it.

Like I said, I said "like that" and people started making their own interpretations (like a buzzer beater in the 3rd qtr is somehow the same). The only one was the Suns shot and that has been forgotten because Kobe checked out in game 7. And like I also said, if Lebron does the same thing, Ill probably forget his game 2 shot.

lex
05-25-2009, 12:56 AM
Even with what you said, that example still proves your point wrong. Sorry, but there is no getting around it.

Not really. I didnt remember Kobe's shot against the Suns. And if I was a Lakers fan, Id be reluctant to ever bring that up considering Kobe checked out in game 7. If you check out in game 7, that kind of obscures any shot you may have hit before.


BTW, Lakers fans must have really lowered their standards. This is the same franchise that saw Magic Johnson step in and score 40 something points while going from PG to center as a rookie in game 6 of the finals vs Philly. Now, 25 years later, Kobe disappears in the second half of a game seven but Laker fans get a hard on from that series because of something that happened before in that series.

You guys really cheapen everything.

OABB
05-25-2009, 12:58 AM
Like I said, I said "like that" and people started making their own interpretations (like a buzzer beater in the 3rd qtr is somehow the same). The only one was the Suns shot and that has been forgotten because Kobe checked out in game 7. And like I also said, if Lebron does the same thing, Ill probably forget his game 2 shot.

no one did that. It was part of a compilation video that also showed playoff winners in the 4th with no time left....

you keep saying this like those were the only examples provided....they were one of many.

Do you really not comprehend this? are you really this stupid or just afraid to admit that you were wrong.

So was Elway Clutch? He didn't play well in the first three superbowls. He didn't win till he got td, which is like shaq in your example. The drive doesn't count because he lost the sb right?

explain how elway was clutch, but kobe isn't.

do it. don't be a pussy like footsteps.

BroncoBuff
05-25-2009, 01:13 AM
Might wanna re-think that man-crush LA ;D



Lakers center Bynum, coach Phil Jackson at odds
By ARNIE STAPLETON, AP Sports Writer May 23, 7:02 pm EDT

DENVER (AP)—Andrew Bynum (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3936/;_ylt=AkPGKFvS1Lr_Me0SEPTVv36LvLYF)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3936/news;_ylt=At5R2aj0wYYa.3xWoP.BoBSLvLYF) wants to play more minutes, and Los Angeles Lakers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/lal/;_ylt=AvnXq85ttqpxYtsB33lFJ06LvLYF) coach Phil Jackson has just the solution: Play better defense. “If he plays well, he’ll have more time,” Jackson said Saturday, several hours before Game 3 of the Western Conference finals against the Denver Nuggets (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/den/;_ylt=AqdvrIf7RgSZWAJ7bP2V07KLvLYF).

Bynum criticized the Lakers’ defensive scheme after getting yanked from Game 2 early in the second half for his lackadaisical play that led to an easy bucket for Denver.

Jackson was displeased that Bynum didn’t hustle downcourt after failing to get a pass in the post, which allowed Nuggets center Nene to make a layup and draw a foul from Kobe Bryant (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3118/;_ylt=AsD2fl3RQi88NXMR4bb3R36LvLYF)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3118/news;_ylt=Ap1znA05l.cFhMhYOTMRgTeLvLYF). So, Bynum took a seat with 7:14 left in the third quarter and never returned, finishing with nine points, two rebounds, one foul and no turnovers in the Lakers’ 106-103 loss that evened the series at 1-1.

Bynum bristled Friday when asked about Denver’s frontcourt prowess in this series. “They’re getting their stuff because of our defensive scheme. They’re just driving to the basket and nobody’s bumping them,” Bynum said, according to The Los Angeles Times.



More: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AseltBgRWepTqmJhrIcoEOe8vLYF?slug=ap-lakers-bynum&prov=ap&type=lgns


I bet they trade him this off-season (which will start in about a week Nyah! )

footstepsfrom#27
05-25-2009, 01:20 AM
explain how elway was clutch, but kobe isn't.

do it. don't be a p***Y like footsteps.
There's a third possibility...the very fact that it WAS posted to rile people up is the reason not to fall into the trap. Sometimes it's easier to just let an idiot speak his peace and prove your point for you.
You're to easy.

OABB
05-25-2009, 01:25 AM
You're to easy.

My Elway example is a good one, so again, well thought out posts aren't idiotic. refusing to respond to them out of cowardice is what is known as being a pussy.

Lex has me on ignore, which is pussy, just like how you won't talk to me in the other thread.

you and lex are one in the same...

why do people incapable of talking frequent a discussion board>

OABB
05-25-2009, 01:28 AM
btw, I must be doing something right if footsteps and lex have a problem with me.....

lex
05-25-2009, 01:32 AM
Originally Posted by orangeandblueblooded
explain how elway was clutch, but kobe isn't.

do it. don't be a p***Y like footsteps.

Was this directed at me? Ill assume that it was. The answer to this is easy. Football and basketball are apples and oranges. In football, one player has less influence on the outcomes. That Elway had the influence he did, just goes to show how great he was in those situations considering its a sport where success is typically much more reliant on other teammates.

And no, Kobe's nothing close to Jordan, clutch or otherwise.

footstepsfrom#27
05-25-2009, 01:45 AM
My Elway example is a good one, so again, well thought out posts aren't idiotic. refusing to respond to them out of cowardice is what is known as being a p***Y.

Lex has me on ignore, which is p***Y, just like how you won't talk to me in the other thread.

you and lex are one in the same...

why do people incapable of talking frequent a discussion board>
Hilarious! Apparently you haven't paid much attention here. Take a poll sport. I'm pretty sure the one thing nobody on this board will say about me...is that I'm "incapable of talking".

Mostly they'd like me to shut up.

If you could read beyond a 3rd grade level you'd know my original post wasn't even directed to you but was letting Miss Independent know why I chose not to have that discussion with the collection of mouth breathers that populate this place...

Congratulations...you're exhibit A.

Boobs McGee
05-25-2009, 10:58 AM
Not really. I didnt remember Kobe's shot against the Suns. And if I was a Lakers fan, Id be reluctant to ever bring that up considering Kobe checked out in game 7. If you check out in game 7, that kind of obscures any shot you may have hit before.


BTW, Lakers fans must have really lowered their standards. This is the same franchise that saw Magic Johnson step in and score 40 something points while going from PG to center as a rookie in game 6 of the finals vs Philly. Now, 25 years later, Kobe disappears in the second half of a game seven but Laker fans get a hard on from that series because of something that happened before in that series.

You guys really cheapen everything.

Dude, are you ****ing kidding me? So lemme get this straight.

You asked for an example.

You were GIVEN an example.

You don't REMEMBER the example happening.

The example never happened?

Wow, I always thought you just loved arguing for the sake of arguing, but part of being a man is admitting when you're wrong.

Shut the **** up and let the big boys do the basketball talking.

Just because YOU don't remember something happening doesn't mean it didn't happen you artard.

YOU FAIL

OABB
05-25-2009, 11:00 AM
Dude, are you ****ing kidding me? So lemme get this straight.

You asked for an example.

You were GIVEN an example.

You don't REMEMBER the example happening.

The example never happened?

Wow, I always thought you just loved arguing for the sake of arguing, but part of being a man is admitting when you're wrong.

Shut the **** up and let the big boys do the basketball talking.

Just because YOU don't remember something happening doesn't mean it didn't happen you artard.

YOU FAIL


I couldn't wait for people to wake up and read this this morning. I was up late arguing with this moron...


which makes me a moron now that I think about it...

Boobs McGee
05-25-2009, 11:11 AM
I couldn't wait for people to wake up and read this this morning. I was up late arguing with this moron...


which makes me a moron now that I think about it...

ahahaha . With each consecutive post I read of his, I just kept laughing and laughing, incredulously. I imagine he's the type of person that thinks he wins an argument by talking louder lol.

I can only imagine how much your neck hurts from shaking your head into the wee hours of the morning, some people just DONT GET IT! So frustrating to argue with someone like that!

Kudos to you, moron ^5 :D

Jason in LA
05-25-2009, 11:30 AM
I couldn't wait for people to wake up and read this this morning. I was up late arguing with this moron...


which makes me a moron now that I think about it...

I probably stayed up an hour longer than I thought I was going to stay up arguing with him. I guess his tactic was to piss everybody off so they'd stop arguing with him, and then he could try to claim some type of victory for being the last man standing. I guess you have to do those sort of things when you are proven dead wrong but you don't want to lose the argument.

OABB
05-25-2009, 11:39 AM
I probably stayed up an hour longer than I thought I was going to stay up arguing with him. I guess his tactic was to piss everybody off so they'd stop arguing with him, and then he could try to claim some type of victory for being the last man standing. I guess you have to do those sort of things when you are proven dead wrong but you don't want to lose the argument.

I think you are giving him too much credit. I don't think there was any gameplan to his arguing. I think his brain short circuited because he can't understand the concept of himself being wrong.

montrose
05-25-2009, 11:57 AM
I'm hopefull for a win tonight but not expecting it. The Lakers are simply the better team. The biggest mismatch in this series was the one least discussed, Phil Jackson vs. George Karl. Dhantay Jones is closer in talent and skill to Kobe Bryant than Karl is to Jackson in coaching ability.

Mr.Meanie
05-25-2009, 11:59 AM
To recap for everyone who is smart enough not to wade through the last 4 pages of drivel:

lex: When has Kobe ever made a shot like that?

OM: Try youtube

lex: I can't find it on youtube

OM: *posts 30 seperate videos of Kobe finishing games*

lex: Yeah but when has Kobe made a 3 pointer with 6 seconds to go down 2 in the 4th?

OM: Portland/Lakers Kobe insane shot

lex: Yeah but when has Kobe done it in a game in the playoffs without Shaq?

OM: Suns/Lakers Kobe singlehandedly sending the game into OT and then finishing.

lex: Yeah but when has Kobe done it in a game in the playoffs without Shaq in Conference Finals Game 2 broadcasted on TNT at 5:30PST on a Friday when it's slightly overcast outside in the last 2 years?

OM: *silence*
OM: you're an idiot

lex: See? Lebron is better. Also, I admittedly haven't really watched basketball in the last 15 years

OABB
05-25-2009, 12:00 PM
To recap for everyone who is smart enough not to wade through the last 4 pages of drivel:

lex: When has Kobe ever made a shot like that?

OM: Try youtube

lex: I can't find it on youtube

OM: *posts 30 seperate videos of Kobe finishing games*

lex: Yeah but when has Kobe made a 3 pointer with 6 seconds to go down 2 in the 4th?

OM: Portland/Lakers Kobe insane shot

lex: Yeah but when has Kobe done it in a game in the playoffs without Shaq?

OM: Suns/Lakers Kobe singlehandedly sending the game into OT and then finishing.

lex: Yeah but when has Kobe done it in a game in the playoffs without Shaq in Conference Finals Game 2 broadcasted on TNT at 5:30PST on a Friday when it's slightly overcast outside in the last 2 years?

OM: *silence*
OM: you're an idiot

lex: See? Lebron is better. Also, I admittedly haven't really watched basketball in the last 15 years


you have a gift...I think every thread needs a recap like this as a sticky...

FADERPROOF
05-25-2009, 12:47 PM
When it comes to kobe-lebron, I am in agreeance with guys by the name of Jerry West and Oscar Robertson, Lebron is the better overall player but Kobe is better at closing games.

OABB
05-25-2009, 12:54 PM
When it comes to kobe-lebron, I am in agreeance with guys by the name of Jerry West and Oscar Robertson, Lebron is the better overall player but Kobe is better at closing games.

Why does there even have to be a debate about who is better? I mean really?

They both are incredible and bring different things to the game. I love watching them both play and I will never be in the position to pick one over the other.

If it was my choice i would pick Kobe, but only so I could lag hump Vanessa while he is busy playing.

FADERPROOF
05-25-2009, 01:11 PM
Why does there even have to be a debate about who is better? I mean really?

They both are incredible and bring different things to the game. I love watching them both play and I will never be in the position to pick one over the other.

If it was my choice i would pick Kobe, but only so I could lag hump Vanessa while he is busy playing.

My guess would be that whenever there's 2 or more great, dominant players that there's always an argument to be made about who's better. In all sports as well, Manning or Brady? Tomlinson or Peterson? Crosby or Ovechkin?Pujols or A-rod? Just something to talk about, plus sports is competitive and attracts competitive people, why not have a good debate on great players?

OABB
05-25-2009, 01:16 PM
My guess would be that whenever there's 2 or more great, dominant players that there's always an argument to be made about who's better. In all sports as well, Manning or Brady? Tomlinson or Peterson? Crosby or Ovechkin?Pujols or A-rod? Just something to talk about, plus sports is competitive and attracts competitive people, why not have a good debate on great players?

that's true...

except that they usually aren't good debates.....

NFLBRONCO
05-25-2009, 01:19 PM
Like him or not Kobe is at the top of the league with last second shots. I think Bron and Melo are getting there but, not yet Bron is closer then Melo right now.

Jason in LA
05-25-2009, 01:47 PM
To recap for everyone who is smart enough not to wade through the last 4 pages of drivel:

lex: When has Kobe ever made a shot like that?

OM: Try youtube

lex: I can't find it on youtube

OM: *posts 30 seperate videos of Kobe finishing games*

lex: Yeah but when has Kobe made a 3 pointer with 6 seconds to go down 2 in the 4th?

OM: Portland/Lakers Kobe insane shot

lex: Yeah but when has Kobe done it in a game in the playoffs without Shaq?

OM: Suns/Lakers Kobe singlehandedly sending the game into OT and then finishing.

lex: Yeah but when has Kobe done it in a game in the playoffs without Shaq in Conference Finals Game 2 broadcasted on TNT at 5:30PST on a Friday when it's slightly overcast outside in the last 2 years?

OM: *silence*
OM: you're an idiot

lex: See? Lebron is better. Also, I admittedly haven't really watched basketball in the last 15 years

Pretty much. Lex could have made all this much easier by simply saying that Kobe has never hit a game winner while wearing the #23, but Jordan and LeBron have. We'd have no answer for that statement. ;D

OABB
05-25-2009, 01:53 PM
Pretty much. Lex could have made all this much easier by simply saying that Kobe has never hit a game winner while wearing the #23, but Jordan and LeBron have. We'd have no answer for that statement. ;D

btw, where is our hero, Lex? It's just not the same without him.

Jason in LA
05-25-2009, 02:03 PM
Maybe he's in some other thread getting his ass handed to him. He seems to like that.

I could understand him continue the argument forever if it was a matter of opinion, but he made a statement, and the facts clearly proved him wrong. It was a debate based on facts, so he should have just backed down when he found out that he was wrong.

FADERPROOF
05-25-2009, 02:31 PM
that's true...

except that they usually aren't good debates.....

True, usually there's someone that starts the "talk out of ass" debate, or the "I'm completely biased" debate, and of course there's the "I'm always right and will just insult anyone who doesn't agree with me" debate.

watermock
05-25-2009, 02:42 PM
He doen't need to be here, your evidently capable of speaking for him.

Besides, this animosity has more to do with critique of Denver's NFL move than the nuggets.

BTW, thE RACE IS STARTING AGAIN, MAYBE LEX WILL SHOW UP DURING THE GAME.

Inkana7
05-25-2009, 02:50 PM
Cavs really need to start, you know, not sucking. Make over 40% of their shots.

spdirty
05-25-2009, 04:04 PM
Good God, Bennett ****ing Salvatore tonight? Unreal.

We are ****ed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bennett_Salvatore
Criticisms

Bill Simmons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Simmons) of ESPN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESPN) has often cited data which shows that Bennett Salvatore makes the highest percentage of "bad calls" in the NBA. Simmons notes, in connection to the Tim Donaghy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Donaghy) game-fixing scandal, that the NBA will often send Bennett Salvatore and other "questionable officials" to referee games in which preferential treatment of one team would be financially beneficial to the league. While it remains unconfirmed, many suggest Salvatore's past criminal history may tie him to organized crime as with Donaghy<sup id="cite_ref-3" class="reference">[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bennett_Salvatore#cite_note-3)</sup>.

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bennett_Salvatore&action=edit&section=6)] 2006 NBA Finals

Salvatore was criticized by ESPN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESPN) sports journalist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_journalist) Bill Simmons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Simmons) following his role in Game 5 of the 2006 NBA Finals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_NBA_Finals).<sup id="cite_ref-simmons_1-1" class="reference">[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bennett_Salvatore#cite_note-simmons-1)</sup> Towards the end of the game in overtime (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overtime_%28sports%29), Miami's Dwyane Wade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwyane_Wade) drove to the basket and was fouled by the Mavericks.<sup id="cite_ref-simmons_1-2" class="reference">[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bennett_Salvatore#cite_note-simmons-1)</sup> ABC Sports (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABC_Sports), the television network (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_network) covering the NBA Finals, could not display a conclusive replay supporting the call by Salvatore.<sup id="cite_ref-simmons_1-3" class="reference">[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bennett_Salvatore#cite_note-simmons-1)</sup> As a result of the foul, Wade was awarded two free throws (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_throw) with 1.9 seconds remaining.<sup id="cite_ref-cuban_4-0" class="reference">[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bennett_Salvatore#cite_note-cuban-4)</sup> The free throws were successful and contributed to the Heat victory, 101–100.<sup id="cite_ref-cuban_4-1" class="reference">[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bennett_Salvatore#cite_note-cuban-4)</sup> Nearly a year and a half later, in an interview with Henry Abbot (martyr) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Abbot_%28martyr%29) of ESPN, Salvatore suggested he was unjustly crucified by producing previously edited video showing that the Mavericks' Dirk Nowitzki pushed Dwyane Wade in the back, which was a personal foul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_foul) and confirmed by Abbott.<sup id="cite_ref-salvatore5_5-0" class="reference">[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bennett_Salvatore#cite_note-salvatore5-5)</sup> Before this sequence occurred, the video also shows Wade pushing Dallas guard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guard_%28basketball%29) Jason Terry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Terry) to the ground.<sup id="cite_ref-salvatore5_5-1" class="reference">[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bennett_Salvatore#cite_note-salvatore5-5)</sup> Salvatore responded that Terry's momentum forced him to the ground.<sup id="cite_ref-salvatore5_5-2" class="reference">[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bennett_Salvatore#cite_note-salvatore5-5)</sup>

bombay
05-25-2009, 04:09 PM
With it starting to appear that Cleveland is going down, there's not a snowball's chance in hell that stern lets this series get away.

cutthemdown
05-25-2009, 04:22 PM
Maybe he's in some other thread getting his ass handed to him. He seems to like that.

I could understand him continue the argument forever if it was a matter of opinion, but he made a statement, and the facts clearly proved him wrong. It was a debate based on facts, so he should have just backed down when he found out that he was wrong.

What a stupid argument he picked though. Kobe has been mr clutch for a long time. Tons of game winning shots.

GO LAKERS

FADERPROOF
05-25-2009, 04:22 PM
Cavs really need to start, you know, not sucking. Make over 40% of their shots.

Yeah you know, wouldn't upset me at all if we didn't rely on Lebron to average 40 a game and maybe even shoot better than 20% from 3. Probably asking too much but hopefully they can pull it off unless they really dont want to see a game 6.

PaintballCLE
05-25-2009, 06:02 PM
Yeah you know, wouldn't upset me at all if we didn't rely on Lebron to average 40 a game and maybe even shoot better than 20% from 3. Probably asking too much but hopefully they can pull it off unless they really dont want to see a game 6.

wow, i never realized we live like 20 min away from eachother lol

Go Cavs

spdirty
05-25-2009, 06:20 PM
Love the energy startin out. Need to make more open jumpers but start hittin em and we can blow em out of the building. Please please please dont even let em within strikng distance in the 4th quarter. Cant take much more of that crap.